for the rating loss
#pvp
main barn
brave osprey
Raiting lose is live
steel badge
thought it was always live but next reset they were making is 6x loses
old pike
like 3/4 my games people leave x.x
sharp meteor
you have verified?
You've always been able to lose rating.
It's just that you don't get your legs blown off with a 0-6 by leaving.
(which people should on tuesday)
main barn
ah, never knew that, thought it was just deserter buff
sharp meteor
Yeah, that's how it works now and is partially why so many people just leave.
kind canopy
what covenant are you guys atm i keep seeing ppl talk about condem
kindred swan
You guys playing venthyr? I’d imagine pvp right now is like 9.05 with venthyr arms.
old pike
ok i won 4/6 of the rounds that doesn't count as a win? i cant upgrade still
kind canopy
try 2s or 3s
old pike
should work for shuffle tho dunno :/
marble bone
«Should» doesnt mean it does in Blizzard world 😉
thick reef
they fixed solo shuffle
so that u can upgrade ur gear
guys should i play kyrian or venthyr
fickle forge
Arms?
fickle forge
If you wanna maximize pre-patch, then go Venth and pick the exe path
thick reef
last time i played it was only arms
fickle forge
hi guys, just wanted to understand why is there so much fury war on the ladder
Dstance nerf and fury tier set was the most busted in the game
thick reef
Dstance nerf and fury tier set was the most busted in the game
is it still nerfed
Dstance
?
fickle forge
Yes
lucid walrus
hi guys, just wanted to understand why is there so much fury war on the ladder
tier sets broke fury and didn't do near as much for arms
we dunno how it'll look going into DF yet ofc
fickle forge
Fury is the hottest garbage rn without tier
thick reef
okay thanks
lucid walrus
this sparks joy
fickle forge
Maybe it'll change at max level who knows
lucid walrus
all i'm saying is "RA charge" is a funny way to spell crutch
fickle forge
Yeah, the amount of fury warrs who'll get sore calves from having to actually walk now
old pike
«Should» doesnt mean it does in Blizzard world 😉
Literally in the last hot fix said they fixed that but alright
I misread my bad lol
marble bone
Ye was more just a joke, there is always something that doesnt work :p
old pike
I completely misread like the second half but yeye realized now, hopefully just workin soon
lucid walrus
it's supposed to now
high tapir
thabks
tired portal
is it still nerfed
i asked @cedar rover about it and he didn't reply if he would unnerf it
frank knoll
Unrelated. Looks like rune of spellwarding pvp talent is unnerfed for DKs
plush pine
Does anyone have an Arms Warrior PVP guide handy?
pallid void
the guide is simple, take venthyr and condemn everything
in every arena match condemn is 70% of my damage
inner chasm
for fury too , condemn is good?
pallid void
I think so, it doesnt seem like its damage has been scaled properly so it hits omega hard compared to our other abilities
inner chasm
I'll give it a try, enjoying bastion spear rn
minor flower
do you have a build that goes with condemn?
i assume you just go for juggernaut and take every execute boosting talent
wheat crane
CONDEMN BACK? LOVE TO SEE IT
Actually probably great for leveling too
Just condemn charge around
stiff dove
Hey guys where can i find a good fury build for pvp?
edgy breach
Hi!
Has anyone a good PvP talent tree for a fury warrior ?
Didn't find one pinned, and my google searches gave me only PvE builds
silk gale
wheat crane
wait where the fuck is ignore pain
copper hare
wait where the fuck is ignore pain
You still using internet explorer my friend? 
wheat crane
Guess it got purged lmao
steep inlet
Sadly
edgy breach
these will be okay
Thanks !
inner chasm
soloQ rating is not working the same as 2s and 3s gear wise right ?
just got rival and didn't get the elite gear transmog, and can't upgrade my gear to rival ilvl
muted surge
its bugged
onyx marlin
just got rival and didn't get the elite gear transmog, and can't upgrade my gear...
you will not get elite gear transmog because the season is already over
nor any elite
titles**
gear upgrade tho should be available next reset i think
inner chasm
you will not get elite gear transmog because the season is already over
oh make sense
alright thanks !
onyx marlin
np
patent musk
Fury > Arms ATM?
sonic rapids
Quick question. I’ve tried out both arms and fury (at lower brackets) so at 1400. And it seems like fury survivability is better ? Especially since it feels like everyone is burst mode
nova crown
does anyone have a talent tree setup i can copy for fury pvp?
wheat jay
Will you let dekel win?
What do you mean, Mud has no chance against Chadekel
wheat crane
True
Played 3 of em so far
90% of their dmg is abom and pets
Like the actual abilities arent even registering
old pike
very good
marble bone
nah man, once a warrior always a warrior. Just bored out of my mind in prepatch and leveling the stuff I havent had leveled before
scarlet barn
You aint the power ranger
olive mesa
how we feelin on the different end nodes for arms
i feel like fatality is prob gonna be hilarious
amber harness
how many fatality stacks can something have?
errant niche
Heyo, is there any webiste to follow every changements, guide or something like this dedicated to arms warrior pvp (only df)?
amber fiber
u cannot upgrade gear with solo rating right?
copper hare
not yet, I'd assume after weekly maintenance
copper hare
I wonder If I should play tank with my alt since dps queues are like 10-15 min and tanks either get insta invite or don't wait longer than 5 usually
I cba waiting 15 min per queue for gearing
sharp meteor
It's tempting. I'm nearly done binding Protection. 🛡️
copper hare
Can't believe guardian is even more busted than before their tier set nerfs
Had a guardian doing 40k dps yesterday, like what
sharp meteor
Whew. 🐻
craggy socket
lmao dont reroll monk like all the other retard gigachad fotm palyers
shits absolutely retarded
runic galleon
sharp meteor
If nothing else it's quick queues. I don't think it can die.
copper hare
Prot is nice but you can't carry like a guardian/brewmaster in my opinion.
sharp meteor
decent vene/bg into physical stuff swings games
copper hare
I feel like tanks die way faster than before, specially to casters.. to melees, not so much
sharp meteor
shield slam some twerp into paste
marble bone
lmao dont reroll monk like all the other retard gigachad fotm palyers
Was a joke, dont worry too much about it. Just getting the few last classes I dont have max up while prepatch
craggy socket
Dude wtf is with warlocks
sharp meteor
fickle forge
Delete this
copper rivet
arms or fury for pvp
nimble jasper
Dude wtf is with warlocks
you havent played the past 2 seasons?
copper rivet
past 2 expansions ?
jaunty coral
can anyone help me with a macro that switches stances in one button
What did you end up using? I've been trying to figure it out as well
hollow matrix
sharp meteor
Disparity between some specs kind of unreal right now.
Also probably no shift away from modifiers and that'll demolish low mmr again.
craggy socket
Haven’t been playing much no
copper hare
40k moonfire crit
YEP
why does normal solo shuffle give way less honor now than before
sharp meteor
Probably to encourage people play ranked
Also the 40% bonus is gone.
Atually maybe it isn't hm
copper hare
omg that buff is gone, why did they do that
I just realized now, fucking blizzard man
sharp meteor
It might only show in bgs/arena idk
but yeah low gains from normal shuffle now aaa shambles
copper hare
literally halfed, sadge
main barn
oh what was the bonus, I feel like im getting less honor from everything
copper hare
25% more conquest/40% more honor
sly cliff
copper hare
Nah normal solo shuffle is bugged right now at least for me, I win 6 games and still don't get the daily win rewards
blizzaaard
sharp meteor
Was it Maldraxxus?
copper hare
Nope I queued at least 4 different, everytime just 600 honor, no conquest or flux
main barn
does shattering throw work yet?
sharp meteor
Idk it gets stopped 99% of the time anyways so I'll play wrecking into shields
shatter seems kind of troll
plush heart
did somone has a viable Fury PVP Build so far?
nimble jasper
did somone has a viable Fury PVP Build so far?
been just people experimenting since prepatch doesnt matter
plush heart
for me it does 😛 im bad in pvp and want do those weeklys but loosing 30 in a row 😄
plush heart
do win 10 solo queues etc
plush heart
thats why i play fury 🙂
nimble jasper
fury is worse
lol
season 3+4 fury
cb into rampage
rinse repeat
solo shuffle is just run down whoever doesnt have gear
plush heart
like i said i just asking for a build nothing else. I didnt asked for your opinion what is good or not
main barn
ya some people are really weird about prepatch and have very strong opinions about it lmao
im not a pro but here is my build
BgEAtml4yL3PsSlRlqnvTeVx4HAAAAAAAAAAAhkAJAR0kmIB0ISQCARSCRSSSgQSkEKpFARSAAAA
nimble jasper
they should pin it since mud prob has the right idea
nimble jasper
ya some people are really weird about prepatch and have very strong opinions abo...
queue a game on monk and 100-0the entire enemy team in first stun
then tell me you dont hear circus music playing
also bears
merry valley
Shattering still bugged in pvp?
sharp meteor
bruh how are people getting shattering throws off
sharp meteor
i feel like almost every shatter i get off is one that doesn't even matter
nimble jasper
i love when some male orc warrior
runs in to shatter my necro shield
of all things
plush heart
ah look now having a build i have a 5:0 win rate 😮
sharp meteor
epiccc
spice hornet
<:keks:936231610850897992>
They need this
pallid sentinel
cov for fury pvp right now?
junior kelp
how do you guys feel about this for pvp? is it worth taking or should i put my point into something else
I like the idea of it but the rng procs feel kinda bad when i smack someone 4 times and they dont get a single mark :/
sharp meteor
Depends on how bigly it gets nerfed.
junior kelp
is arms in the scope to get nerfed? It feels nice but it doesnt feel anywhere near as powerful as other classes like locks. But i guess for raids that could be a pretty outrageous execute phase lol
sharp meteor
Probably not.
Although you've got to remember pre-patch fuckery makes it hard to gauge how stuff is doing.
junior kelp
all the affli locks also make it hard to gage 
sharp meteor
yeah did some skirms with aff buddy and he'd heal for like 500k in a 1-2 minute game
just refills his health bar back to back
junior kelp
if i have a competent healer maybe i could stack up a million fatal marks and just explode a lock when he gets under 30% lol
lean burrow
can pal bop fatal marks off?
junior kelp
id imagine
polar pecan
pvp upgrades from solo shuffle still not working?>
dreamy epoch
nope
fickle forge
how do you guys feel about this for pvp? is it worth taking or should i put my p...
Nerfed by 50% in PvP I believe
And doesn't scale with any amps
Not worth giving up BS imo
junior kelp
Yeah I had like 4 marks on someone earlier and it popped for like less than an overpower or something haha
warped warren
raw summit
And doesn't scale with any amps
It does with hurricane and other flat str buffs
fickle forge
Imagine teasing Conq Banner in the form of BS, and then they omega nerf it before release
raw summit
Hurricane unhinged + bladestorm Mini Signet 
fickle forge
If only it was possible
muted surge
but the built in general is missing stuff for your role i think. you realy want shattering and probably the pummel talents as well. damage isnt your main goal as tank anyway
i would try to maximise the utility if you are playing any thing but bear
vital smelt
This is just for FC
Pummel talents are definitely bad in RBGs compared to some of the other points
if you're doing flag carrying
muted surge
playing prot war is bad
and even as FC
you team fight
so being able to help during it (shattering, pummel) will help your surviability
vital smelt
Shattering definitely good and a competitive point, I just question the pummel talent options
muted surge
eveyr 1.5 mins ye
did you try it in a bg btw
i wonder how much you benefit from the 5% leech
vital smelt
Yeah, I was questioning the 5% leech for FC'ing but you put out a lot of Deep Wounds with Heroic Throw and Rends with Thunderclaps in teamfights or in drive-bys
Main idea is apply Deep Wounds primarily with heroic throw while you're running to everything that fucks with you/is remotely in range or chasing you
rage gen for Blood Surge allows you to press IP much more often
Rend another bleed to tick for that
Titanic Throw might be a dead point
That'd be what I'd move I think in the Warrior Tree
to Shattering
cumulative you have Shield Charge, Dragon Charge, Intervene, 2 charges and heroic leap for mobility which I think puts warr at the top in terms of raw mobility as a tank atm
muted surge
idk when i played rbg
and the tank was like
ye i got mobiltiy, lets run
healers cant keep up anyway
mgiht have changed by now tho
undone pumice
what healer outside of mw can keep up with a big mobility rank like travel form dudu or vdh
raw summit
rdruid also has travel form
steep inlet
Guardian kept 30 sec immune CC in DF as talent no ?
vital smelt
Its a 1.5m cd with 10s of cc immunity now
They also have some really tight talent points and a not great tree
undone pumice
rdruid also has travel form
i know but u cant exactly heal outside of hots preciously applied as a fukin stag
undone pumice
ye but mw has the insane mobility other healers dont
jolly light
anyone played prot warrior in solo shuffle? 😄
i hate tanks but the queues are too short to miss 😮
sharp meteor
anyone played prot warrior in solo shuffle? 😄
Yeah, feels bad queuing into guardian.
jolly light
Yeah, feels bad queuing into guardian.
yup and feels like every game is vs a guardian
sharp meteor
Mhm. Blood/veng do nothing, prot is decent dam but guardian just presses heart and spams out 50k heals on teammates for 20 seconds and auto wins everything that isn't another guardian.
steady moon
are you guys going arms or fury mainly?
vital prism
Could someone share a b uild that i can try out in solo shuffle?
spice hornet
Just your average betrayer of humanity wielder here. Meanwhile I had to push 1800 to purchase a wep that’s worse than his for 4500 conq. Cool Blizz
jolly light
shattering throw doesn't break ice block? 😮
vital prism
what? really?
jolly light
i haven't played in a while, tried breaking a mage ice block but it just said "immune"
copper hare
it's bugged currently
full quiver
Mage took thick ice talent
wheat crane
Just your average betrayer of humanity wielder here. Meanwhile I had to push 180...
Oof
In fairness the level of players in classic is pretty bad
Theres a reason theyre playing classic
wheat crane
Yea luckily my hpal is a buddy from retail
Played one disc priest that was just sprinting cross map at 40% health to go land a fear/mana burn on my hpal, while im killing him, with cds up
Just w keying
Shit that makes you go "what in the fuck are you doing man"
Don't see that shit in retail even in the sewer ratings
spice hornet
lean trout
Any update on when shattering throw will be fixed? Kinda surprised that there hasn't been more outrage over it from what I've seen. Key utility just fkin gone
tepid crystal
Anyone got a good arms warrior condemn build for pvp? 🤞
spice hornet
Any update on when shattering throw will be fixed? Kinda surprised that there ha...
What dungeon did we need shattering that ba
Bad
sharp meteor
Any update on when shattering throw will be fixed? Kinda surprised that there ha...
wrecking throw is instant and can knock like 50-80k off a shield
lean trout
wrecking throw is instant and can knock like 50-80k off a shield
Yeah I've taken it in the meantime til shattering is fixed, but me being able to pre-shatter pally bubbles and ice blocks has won me more games than I can count
sharp meteor
i actually can't remember the last game i had where shatter mattered
wrecking seems like it's going to get tweaked it just knocks so large of a chunk out of shields while being instant
vale iron
my warior get oneshoted in 2v2 arena xD. is it some kind of expoilt or what happend ? xD
lucid walrus
you pop retal or something?
vale iron
so its like duel to the death. cool xD
gentle horizon
best covenant for fury war rn? Whats best talent build for pvp?
also any1 have a good tierlist?
jolly light
people are so rude to tanks in shuffle 😦 😄
jolly light
candid tusk
post immediatly your tree 😄
sharp meteor
I mean
Outlaw is tankier than most tanks
and people are arbitrarily okay with that
Tank format shuffle is pretty shitty, though.
jolly light
post immediatly your tree 😄
my tree? i just picked anything which looks like it annoys the enemy team :p
yeah i don't like tanks shuffle either, but it is fast conquest to gear my alts lol
candid tusk
could you provide your build 😄 ?`like to see it
muted surge
did they change the conq gain in solo ?
jolly light
first time i've logged in since prepatch lol, i haven't tried much else
yeah it is 150 conq now if you win at least 3 games
lucid walrus
no avatar is ballsy
jolly light
200 for first of the day
gentle horizon
kyrian or necro for solo shuffle?
muted surge
mhm thats decent
lucid walrus
venthyr probably
gentle horizon
venthyr probably
fr?
jolly light
no avatar is ballsy
i do need it tbh, but kyrian spear is nice to just nuke down the whole team fast
lucid walrus
fr?
talent into shit that buffs execute, a buddy has mentioned hitting 80ks on mages
i've seen >35 myself
cursive swan
Anyone have a decent bg and arena arms tree setup?
gentle horizon
talent into shit that buffs execute, a buddy has mentioned hitting 80ks on mages
do u kno which conduit tree is best
tepid crystal
Anyone have a decent bg and arena arms tree setup?
Also struggling to find this 🙃
wheat crane
do you know if mmr carries over
Definitely resets
Youre not going into a fresh xpac with 3k mmr
Thatd be ridiculous
muted surge
so i can just ruin my mmr with shit gear rn ye?
muted surge
kk tyty
graceful ginkgo
so, for prepatch it's venthyr again for arms?
nimble jasper
no
sharp meteor
lmao
muted surge
But my rating :(
wheat jay
Absolutely fucking not
muted surge
Tbf the post says don’t lose rating until 2k
sharp meteor
oh is that the guy saying healers shouldn't lose rating until 2200
muted surge
I don’t get the purpose to even start losing rating then. Where’s the difference if you are stuck at 100 or 1k
wheat jay
Not losing rating would result in an unending rating gain
lucid walrus
i think the current system and its grace period until like 14-1500 is decent
wheat jay
It is decent true, but id rather rating requirements to be lowered and then grace period removed
So it would result in the same thing, just without weird free 1500
muted surge
Rating requirements?
I mean, for gear rating requirement absolutely sucks for new players / alts
wheat jay
No i meant 1800 for Elite transmog
Gear requirement for better ilvl go away in Dragonflight
low willow
oof, shuffle with no gear is rough haha
muted surge
Rough and not fun
I wish they gave us more accessible gear in the pre patch
Impossible to try out classes
lucid walrus
would be cool if honor gear got bumped up in ilvl throughout
muted surge
something ye
polar pecan
The seasonal reward progress is kinda low in Solo Shuffle, you have to win 4/6 I think to get anything.
copper hare
bruh imagine if you couldn't lose rating
Any outlaw rogue last season
wet scarab
I get the sense people are harkening for season 2 with all this talk of it should be possible to play multiple alts to high rating
The only reason you could do it so extensively was the company was on fire and abandoned the game for like 9 months lmao
nimble jasper
I get the sense people are harkening for season 2 with all this talk of it shoul...
unless someone is just good
but people dont wanna be told its an issue with their skill level
wet scarab
True
I’m not at the level personally where I can play multiple classes decently in arena but was able to practice a lot more with such a long season
sharp meteor
Minimal chore stuff is ideal, I think. It doesn't add much to the experience to have to play a lot just to be somewhat functional. Also lets people jump back into the game easier and play alts which prolongs the life of the season.
Fingers crossed they nail easy gearing in Dragonlands.
wet scarab
Just the talents themselves without having to worry about legendaries and covenant renown and conduits and whatever is amazing
It always took days to set up anything optimally in s2 and you had the added tier sets in s3 that were so busted you had to have them
One thing I did like about s2 though was the length allowed players to mess around with new covenant choices which changed the meta more frequently. Probably wouldn’t have gotten necro DH otherwise for example
sharp meteor
Yeah, having most of the customization just be in the trees is cool. Gearing also seems to be fairly straight forward in terms of like honor then conquest.
soft canyon
Arms in Arena, is there any viable build except condemn spam? 
hardy mortar
The seasonal reward progress is kinda low in Solo Shuffle, you have to win 4/6 I...
What % per win?
steep inlet
Fingers crossed they nail easy gearing in Dragonlands.
? We already know it
Scaling on honor and conquest stuff
Stuffing will be giga ez in df
sharp meteor
Yeah, yeah, I know.
I'm just hoping that they don't do anything last minute to jeopardize it, like making honor pieces cost like 5k each because upgrading is no longer a thing, etc.
steep inlet
Ah yes
sharp meteor
Watch them make conq cap scale with rating or something.
polar pecan
What % per win?
Im getting 2% if I win 4/6 or 5/6 (Havent gone 6/6) and 0% for 3/6 and below.
hardy mortar
Thanks, was hoping it would count 3 but alas
polar pecan
Thanks, was hoping it would count 3 but alas
Sometimes I do get % for 3/6 but not all the time. Kinda wish I could see the math. Would be nice to just have a flat % per win (something like 0.5% per win) that way even when you have a bad run you still walk out with something.
rare ibex
Playing solo shuffle a bit as Arms.. is it supposed to be true that you can't upgrade conquest gear playing exclusively rated SS?
sharp meteor
That should be fixed on Tuesday.
rare ibex
Queuing into tanks as Arms really sucks when people realize we don't have a ton of sustainability without heals.
sharp meteor
Yep.
old pike
ye fury can live a bit better in those but one time i got cc chained to death xddd
tank games all the zug zug
fickle forge
Just hope they have a squishier spec or you have prot pala on your team and then omega rush
thorn herald
Queuing into tanks as Arms really sucks when people realize we don't have a ton ...
dunno man between d stance DBTS the parry heal rallying and IV i live lord enough in tank games to get the other guy killed
rare ibex
@thorn herald would love to see your talent tree.... I'm having a hard time making all of that work.
cursive pike
just started playing warrior. its pretty fun!
my main is aff lock but maybe ill switch haha
sharp meteor
<@489847993692848149> would love to see your talent tree.... I'm having a hard t...
IT's less a matter of talents and more just properly cycling stuff to avoid damage for just a few seconds
a fear/disarm on a trinket or a parry they can't stun/disarm stops a lot of damage in a 15-20 second mathc
sharp meteor
my main is aff lock but maybe ill switch haha
aff seems like a cozy time right now lmao
cursive pike
is it better to just keep the eternal glad chest / legs etc
vs turning it into the classs et
set*
sharp meteor
Dunno how stats are for both specs now.
vital prism
can someone share a decent pvp talent build here? i wanna try out some solo shuffles
dont have enuf expeirence to make my own build atm
cursive pike
i have haste and verse eternal glad
i dont think u can go wrong with haste in pvp
im new too and ive been checking top warriors on the ladder
theres some variations, but they seem to like odyns fury at the bottom
vital prism
oh
vital prism
ohhh right, forgot i cud check that. Always relied on murlok, thanks.
cursive pike
you can see what they are choosing. but its so early that a min-max build hasnt been established
vital prism
ah
cursive pike
probably gonna be a few weeks into november until the communities know whats best
nocturne osprey
the vast majority of warrior spells and talents have a pvp coefficient on them
it makes arms feel especially awful in any kind of setting above 1600
for reference my alt fury war got 2100 in solo shuffle with rival gear and my main arms war is like 1750 with elite gear
sharp meteor
Yeah, the numbers didn't feel to be there.
nocturne osprey
they put a pvp modifier on dumbest shit too
lucid walrus
mortal hitting for 4-7k
nocturne osprey
like bloodletting (increase bleeds by 6sec) is only 3 sec in pvp
dance of death, the one that makes you BS loner if you kill something is 1.5sec longer instead of 3sec in pvp
like clearly those were overpowered talents for pvp, definitely needed a nerf
meanwhile shamans have two different ways to oneshot
sharp meteor
Throwback to when tier sets were going live and they slightly nerfed....rsham?
Oh, well. Hopefully Arms isn't smacking people with a pool noodle for the first month of Crimson.
cursive pike
is fury still good
nocturne osprey
fury feels good, just not relative to some other specs
cursive pike
are you still stacking haste?
sharp meteor
Historically it's the preferred spec, but lately Fury has been a little more appealing.
cursive pike
i know s1 it was what was played. what changed?
vital prism
biggest issue with fury is the weps we gotta buy for 1.8k each
cursive pike
and the honor upgrade 
sharp meteor
Arms got nerfs, Fury got solid tier.
cursive pike
i think thats why aff locks are so strong right now. our class set wasnt good
so when it was taken away we werent affected
sharp meteor
Aff was excellent with tier, and they'd only play 2pc.
thorn herald
<@489847993692848149> would love to see your talent tree.... I'm having a hard t...
dont get me wrong its not like im winning everything but sometimes it stalls out long enough to get the W
cursive pike
does the titanic rage talent overlap with recklessness?
with raging blow upgrade thing
vital prism
Hey, for what classes is wrecking throw best against? will it damage mages while in ice block by any chance?
muted surge
Everything that has a shield
Ice block is an immunity, gotta use shattering throw against that
fickle forge
Ahh, another season of Fury meatheadery.
Really doubt it, fury feels pretty bad Imo
muted surge
Bad but better :D
fickle forge
Eh, arms is okay
steep inlet
Yep
warped warren
Eh, arms is okay
cursive pike
Really doubt it, fury feels pretty bad Imo
why does it feel bad now?
brave osprey
CB don’t charge anymore is kinda big nerf in pvp
fickle forge
why does it feel bad now?
CB charge gone and tier set gone
So you're back to plain old AM fury that had somewhat okay pressure
cursive pike
crushing blow could charge? lol
looks like bladestorm is gone thats def a big pvp ability
tranquil hemlock
Guessing anything before the first day of the season is troll
lean burrow
i wish warbreaker worked like recklessness, just buffing player instead of placing debuff on enemies
feelsbadman when target escapes unlike fury who just swaps
indigo barn
Should have a target to off tbh
mighty swift
how is prot war doing in solo shuffle? On paper seems pretty good
steep inlet
Very good
I tried it some
only guardian counter us
they counter everyone tbh
Double the dps of all people
got focused
hard as iron reflect all haha
main crescent
im always embarresed when that happens xD
steep inlet
hahaha so good this talent
raw summit
Where frappe mortelle @steep inlet
steep inlet
not in prot sadly hehe
raw summit
😡
main crescent
Unbreakable Will gets replaced in a future Build by Defenders Aegis:
This is sad. Hope for pvp talent.
past jolt
> Unbreakable Will gets replaced in a future Build by Defenders Aegis:
This is ...
Isn’t that a Paladin talent lol
robust hearth
Ngl I hate the animation of warbreaker I like the animation of colossus smash better
spring ibex
Hey all, looking for some builds to try out, what are peoole finding good for both specs
robust hearth
It just feels better seeing your character jump and slam their weapon on your opponent rather than just stomping the floor
past jolt
It just feels better seeing your character jump and slam their weapon on your op...
Yeah sadly it’ll never be as good bc of the long as cd you wanna get that fcker out on as many bitches as poss
robust hearth
At least change the execute animation either to the condemn animation or make it the collosus smash animation
warped warren
https://i.gyazo.com/90e2d3c1d297c4b069c5f02d34680f17.png
where frappe 
muted surge
Old blade storm animation when
past jolt
It’s in wrath classic and I don’t feel like it’s all that different
dark star
what is a good talent build for fury pvp
muted surge
Nice red vs blurry spin of brown white
past jolt
Well we have wrath classic for old animations
dark star
without having pvp trinket is there a way to beat rogue on opener?
queen nexus
does Arms warr look good in DF for PvP?
past jolt
does Arms warr look good in DF for PvP?
Paper
queen nexus
we squishy without IP?
queen nexus
ah, even with DStance and Impending Victory?
muted surge
Impending doesn’t do shit if you get hit for 80% of your hp anyway
Same with dstance
And defstance is still a -20% dealt 10% taken tuning
So your wet noodle becomes a cooked spaghetti that was in the water for too long
past jolt
Oh no I was just saying
spring ibex
D stance is so bad and you have to take it to get intervene and rally lol
muted surge
At least that’s what I expietenced on beta
robust hearth
It’s in wrath classic and I don’t feel like it’s all that different
It's literally just whirlwind on repeat
queen nexus
And defstance is still a -20% dealt 10% taken tuning
isnt it the other way around?
muted surge
No
queen nexus
isnt it 20% less dmg taken, 10% less dmg done?
muted surge
In pvp it’s swapped
queen nexus
ah
robust hearth
Ngl I feel like I do no damage as arms. Is it because I'm venthyr?
queen nexus
so if they would swap Dstance back to normal, would we be back to normal?
muted surge
Ngl I feel like I do no damage as arms. Is it because I'm venthyr?
Venthyr seems to be the higher dmg cov atm :)
ruby thicket
is ToM disabled in pvp? or is it a tooltip bug
robust hearth
We have classic for that bro
That's literally what I'm talking about bruh
robust hearth
is ToM disabled in pvp? or is it a tooltip bug
Y would u use ToM in pvp? D;
muted surge
We have classic for that bro
Give it back in retail :(
ruby thicket
Y would u use ToM in pvp? D;
messing around with stuff
robust hearth
ToM is mostly a raiding/pve talent
warped warren
says who
red dagger
anyone been messing with the bleed build for arms?
copper hare
It's unreal that on top of all the bugs.. unrated solo shuffle is bugged aswell now
how much can they fuck up even
muted surge
What’s bugged? I was so hyped about jumping into tank games after work
copper hare
you only get 100 honor per win now, and no conquest/cosmic flux anymore. So it doesn't give you the daily win rewards even if you win 6 rounds
6 rounds won = 600 honor instead of 1.2-1.3k
big yikes, horrible game
muted surge
That’s a great way to look at content that is there so people can test it. Paid gametesting and so
copper hare
"Just don't play", maybe some people wanna get their alts up for leveling n stuff, them removing the spoils of war buff and now having bugs everywhere is just horrible, when I pay monthly for a game I'm allowed to complain
full quiver
Ok and what does complaining in the random war discord online do lol
copper hare
Why do you complain about complainers complaining? Why do YOU care if people complain about a pre patch
dip shit
full quiver
Because you just spout dribble in here non stop since the patch started lol
muted surge
copper hare
Happens man, some people just wanna play the game and test shit for the upcoming expansion. If you think it's unnatural to play new stuff and complain about bugs then it's on you. You can also just block me if you want tbh
wispy cedar
I have Scooberz blocked
wispy cedar
Hence the block
robust hearth
says who
Since Ny'alotha and unless ur target is standing still taking all the beatings from you for 12 seconds straight and even then u want to burst durring warbreaker because they taking 30% increased damage taken durring it so y save it for when having a smol strength buff and they not taking 30% increased damage from you
And most of the time ppl just disarm you when u pop warbreaker soo if u don't trinket the disarm or parry the disarm well there goes a wasted warbreaker burst window and your tiny ToM buff
hard hound
you can WB into BS for baite disarm
warped warren
Since Ny'alotha and unless ur target is standing still taking all the beatings ...
how much str per 10 rage is it
hard hound
atm i can cancel BS
muted surge
Idk you still can’t cancel bs on beta
I have no idea which one is the intended behaviour
hard hound
but yeah disarm is strong vs warrior
muted surge
True. Not having a wep seems to suck
sharp meteor
hey annihilator feels troll
robust hearth
how much str per 10 rage is it
Alot lower than what the original ToM azerite trait was and even then it was never used in pvp
Idk can't look it up right now I'm at work I just know it's weaker than the original ToM from BFA
And as far as thr bs canceling is we don't know what is supposed to be working as intended or not, atm shattering throw doesn't pop pally BoPs or Bubbles or mage's ice tomb 🫠
hard hound
imo we will be fixed at the release
robust hearth
And imagine if they made bladestorm like the wrath blade storm where all ppl have to do is disarm u durring blade storm to cancle ur bladestorm 🫠
hard hound
we have to be patien
muted surge
And imagine if they made bladestorm like the wrath blade storm where all ppl hav...
As long as we get the old animation back that’s fine for me :<
elfin surge
@full quiver 
dreamy epoch
Does anyone have a solid burst for fury? I been been doing: charge, spear, reckless, avatar, rampage, odens, rampage, so on. Anything better? I’m doing solo shuffle if that matters
daring wadi
To be fair half od that is popping CDs anyway
dreamy epoch
Yeah unless rampaging before avatar makes a difference?
raw summit
To be fair half od that is popping CDs anyway
you wanna be enraged to do a burst sequence
or you lose like 30+% dam
dreamy epoch
Charge plus reckless plus spear gives me enough rage to rampage so I just add the avatar, rampage, odens, rampage, then raging blow to rampage. If you know a better way I’d appreciate knowing it
Not being snarky. Idk what I’m doing
livid ferry
sorry but cant find pvp talent build in pins for prepatch - can some1 help
nocturne osprey
anyone been messing with the bleed build for arms?
it's good in theory if every bleed talent/spell wasnt 50% effective in pvp
scarlet barn
sorry but cant find pvp talent build in pins for prepatch - can some1 help
Because nobody moderates this channel.properly anymore
Try skillcapped or icyveins
muted surge
Dead class, dead disc
red dagger
it's good in theory if every bleed talent/spell wasnt 50% effective in pvp
appreciate the reply man - rend seems to still do decent damage, but was not aware of the 50% reduction
wheat crane
@full quiver link me a dh build to run
full quiver
Haven't been playing prepatch really my man
scarlet barn
Dead class, dead disc
Shush
near delta
Does the new spell reflect actually reduce magic damage for 5 seconds even after reflecting the spell like the tool tip says?
Pretty nice buff
copper hare
Yes they changed that with DF
near delta
I totally missed that nice
wheat crane
Haven't been playing prepatch really my man
Lmae dont make me look this shit up
full quiver
Just ask in dh disc like all the other degens 🤣
I think I can check armory for builds now too tbh
craggy socket
Is there any plans to turn off shadowlands trash in pre patch or not til launch?
graceful ginkgo
Not much, if anything, is changing during prepatch
muted surge
I vote for mave
elfin surge
I VOTE MUD FOR PVP MOD
sleek gale
sharp meteor
to be fair they should make it more easily approachable even by dumdums
here's a copy-paste talent loadout, honor gear is cheap, no leggos, etc
fickle forge
Does the new spell reflect actually reduce magic damage for 5 seconds even after...
It's 👌
Can actively Barkskin casters every 25 sec
Get fk'd
full quiver
here's a copy-paste talent loadout, honor gear is cheap, no leggos, etc
That's not a bad idea
Have preset recommended pvp talent tree
sharp meteor
Just having it be easily imported so people can hop in and be at a functional level is cool. There's enough of a disparity in player skill that getting everybody as strong as possible is good.
fickle forge
here's a copy-paste talent loadout, honor gear is cheap, no leggos, etc
Sounds like Dragonflight
sharp meteor
Sounds like Dragonflight
Yep. I'm optimistic.
autumn arrow
hello! where i can find warrior discord server or arms talent build?
raw summit
deadass the default build
lean burrow
and odyn's fury 
full quiver
can't have those complicated abiltiies for a new player
autumn arrow
anybody have PVP builds for arms? please share)))
sage raptor
just seen a female undead warrior. I havent seen one of those in years.
rare ibex
My main is a female undead warrior.
sharp meteor
I don't think I've seen another Vulpera in a while.
sage raptor
My main is a female undead warrior.
🧢
thorn herald
anyone managed to find an arms build that feels like it does damage. Tried the whole bleed thing and it didn't feel like it did much
undone pumice
@elfin surge have u tried annihilator builds?
elfin surge
<@269709440146604032> have u tried annihilator builds?
no it looks like shit
thorn herald
smf annihilator enjoyers rise up
undone pumice
no it looks like shit
why u think its bad?
scarlet crown
wtf is this new shit, my dmg is shit now xD
my dk friend just stomping and facerolling
can someone link me an arms tree? 😄
looking through messages
elfin surge
wtf is this new shit, my dmg is shit now xD
warrior bad
full quiver
Mud is rerolling
full quiver
What about fdk
sharp meteor
wtf is this new shit, my dmg is shit now xD
D+ tier class
scarlet crown
nimble jasper
to the s3/4 fury tierset boosted apes
though
me zug
me press RA charge with cb
gentle token
its fine we can all go prot and run around in loin cloths
nimble jasper
disarm the dk
on pop
cue s1-3 clips
of me killing dks 100-0 while they’re disarmed
💀
lean burrow
Btw, now that ignore pain is gone, what skill do I bind to ignore pain's button?
tribal torrent
arms trash
elfin surge
Btw, now that ignore pain is gone, what skill do I bind to ignore pain's button?
Shield block
lean burrow
Shield block
I thought shield swapping was bad because it took three gcds and removes all pressure?
elfin surge
I've been shield swapping all of shadowlands
You don't use a shield for rmp opener?
8% physical damage reduction from shield
lean burrow
elfin surge
dude?
copper hare
idk ww presses strike of the windlord
they hotfixed the bug saturday I think
wheat jay
I've been shield swapping all of shadowlands
Have you really?
elfin surge
Have you really?
yea why would u let jungle or rmp open on u with a 2h
nimble jasper
yea why would u let jungle or rmp open on u with a 2h
rmp like 75% magic dam
since mage+sub is about half shadow dam
primal flax
Anyone have a good build for arms pvp rn?
thick steeple
Anyone have a good build for arms pvp rn?
there is none
thick steeple
Anyone have a good build for arms pvp rn?
u can try the condemn build, search around there's a build somewhere here
thorn herald
ive gotten like 20k non crit execute + fatal marks
but even then fatality has a massive modifier attached to it
pve its 6.5k down to 2.4k
but im doing a meme MS build with mortal combo, bladelord and the other reset one to just get as many stacks and hit execute
also love that the maldraxxus arena is still coded as a skirmish so you get nothing for doing sholo shuffle on it
lucid walrus
that’s actually a pretty interesting idea
would try it if rando >20-30k condemns weren’t a great dopamine bump
sharp meteor
Armor is no longer in shambles.
thorn herald
its fun mashing the mortal strike button
spec has just been gutted and the copium "BuT yOu HaVe 50% Ms"
lucid walrus
at least IP & brutal vitality weren’t affected by healing reductions
wheat crane
Losing ip is kinda lame ngl
copper hare
primal flax
NOTHING FOR WAR 
sharp meteor
Warr right now just kind of weird because armor is good again.
primal flax
yeah and I guess war will actually be good once it gets full talent tree bc rn feels incomplete
I've tested so many builds but they all missing that something
copper hare
Enhancement
All damage dealt reduced by 25%.
xd
What I don't understand, affliction was on par with WW in pretty much any content and is again untouched
and sadly no pvp modifiers again
primal flax
wait u right aff is insanely busted rn did they not touch it
copper hare
They call it "pre patch class tuning" but my only guess would be that they looked more at beta, lock is def better on live than on beta, ww/enh/feral are insanely busted on beta, it's not even close to other specs
primal flax
yeah I mean most matches ive been in, locks been putting out more "heals" then actual healers
not to mention their dmg is just insane
copper hare
I don't think they will tune any defensive stuff, the general trees are pretty much final. And sadly locks have the most busted trees. But yeah, locks doing as much as healers shouldn't be a thing.
rare ibex
- Fixed an issue where Shattering Throw was not removing immunities.
whee
copper hare
flat 10% buff for SP and ele without putting pvp modifiers on it and also demo/rogue buffs without pvp modifiers, that's not what we like to see :D
rare ibex
LOL.. holy pally with 30k hp joins SS.. loses 5/6 rounds and quits. Feels so bad.
proven maple
Actual
primal flax
Heres a Arms build I've been rockin it's pretty fun and kinda like a bleed burst playstyle that can chunk people
stat for it is Haste Vers Mast Crit
runic fiber
How's fury looking in pvp atm?
distant hazel
is SoTK not working for anyone?
primal flax
is SoTK not working for anyone?
Depending on ya build ya talent will override that legendary also if ya outside of shadowlands or pvp instances all leggos are disabled
primal flax
Uhh whats that do again XD I've been playing arms
distant hazel
distant hazel
so SoTK is pointless then
primal flax
Mostly yeah, unless you build other talents
primal flax
Np found that out the other day when build testing
distant hazel
fuck would be so op if it still popped BS
primal flax
The build i just shared on arms when running higher haste is kinda nasty
But not busted like other classes rn nasty
distant hazel
forsure i think ill scope it
primal flax
Yeah the way you burst with it is sharpen sweep, spear (with kyrian cov), stun ava, war+badge, ms,thunderclap , then skullsplit to pop ya bleeds.
Then obv reapply with ms and clap spamming executes etc
Main downside to it is your dbts is a lil longer cd
pale minnow
U guys talking about ww and affli when we have immortal demon hunters running arround
primal flax
XD yeah them too
pale minnow
Literraly the dog class has all his covs
And even more leech
Met on a bg a dh who hunted me, had demon procc , and had venthyr x mark on me
primal flax
XD had same thing
pale minnow
We rushed 3 folks at him full geared and the prick legit killed us 1v3
primal flax
Try a DH doing a 2mil burst of dmg in like 30 seconds annihilating 8 ppl in a bg.
They were running some wild throw glaive build
pale minnow
No worries tho when df comes out they won't have their pussy ass demon to protect them anymore
primal flax
Lmao let's pray they actually nerf em. After looking more at warrior it seems in DF they will be strong with full talent tree usage
But main classes that probably need dmg tuning rn are Aff, Destro (hitting 60k incinerates with wall), DH, and maybe SP they been kinda nutty.
Idk how that destro hit me with a 60k incin, was expecting chaos bolt to do that dmg but that only did 16k
pale minnow
Nah i ain't even playing now for this reason
primal flax
Don't blame ya tbh
wet scarab
honestly you'll have a lot more fun playing a full condemn build
chonks those immortal DHs without defensives
pale minnow
Arms is beyond shit rn
wet scarab
the standard arms build is quite slow and boring and does no damage
primal flax
True, but I really don't want to embrace cheese XD
pale minnow
Last season you slapped 40k execute now u do 7k crit 👍
wet scarab
it's cheese with an expiry date
primal flax
Fair Fair
wet scarab
there really isn't another viable build, the standard stuff will end in a solo shuffle with you as the bottom dps
primal flax
I mean, I've been doing work with current build even against condem cheese
wet scarab
you're a much better player than me haha
I can kill warlocks with condemn build, can't kill anything with last season's setup
primal flax
Lol oh I can't really kill warlocks but anything else been fair game
Granted the one im playing rn is my 78k hp war soo maybe with gear ill do better
Just came back for pre patch
Def need higher ilvl and to get better stats for my build
But at that ilvl got to about 1675 right as I came back 3 days ago
nimble jasper
No worries tho when df comes out they won't have their pussy ass demon to protec...
fodder to the flame is still a talent in DF
fickle forge
Last season you slapped 40k execute now u do 7k crit 👍
Doing 40k Executes rn 
nimble jasper
are dhs no longer just rogue fodder
in prepatch
granted trimaz was saying prepatch rogue is dogwater
primal flax
Pre patch rouge from what I can tell is pretty good not insane but good. Sin does great burst rn
fickle forge
Sub is what fks up DH
nimble jasper
i mean last time i tested outlaw on beta it ripped peoples buttholes open
fickle forge
And I'd rather have rogue be good over DH, so just make em' stronger and nobody has to fight cringe winged batmen
primal flax
Lmfao
primal flax
Cringe winged batman is a new insult imma use against toxic DHs
primal flax
They always do
nimble jasper
cuz i killed him through his trinket dark blur
dark? ah coinflip if he gets spun to death
primal flax
They mad that their beyond beginner friendly class doesn't just 1 shot ppl for em
Well now it kinda does
nimble jasper
double ww is a funny comp when it isnt disgusting
primal flax
And I'd rather have rogue be good over DH, so just make em' stronger and nobody ...
Yeah rouges when op are annoying, but if they fuck up opener they can die and not 100-0 ya but DH just live forever when they op
primal flax
Yeah
wet scarab
lol I'm all for nerfing cringe batman because a DH with 90k hp just did 20k dps in the opener and killed something in this solo queue
primal flax
XD sounds right
primal flax
well it takes a hot minute to kill a good rogue
A good rouge is always hard to kill
nimble jasper
i really wanna test pirate cuz rn with current talents
you can effectively play both legendaries they ran in s3+4
+you have the burst cd you had in legion back but stronger
your resource generation is much higher than in season 4
primal flax
Yeah, the build im excited for is the arms bleed and cleave build bc in theory with full talents at 70 it will do huge dmg with multipliers
The dragon roar along other bleed bonuses will make it chunk ppls hp
fickle forge
It doesn't help that every DH ability is a Fortnite dance
God I hate looking at em'
wet scarab
they can't stand still for 2 fucking seconds it's like they're a character from Overwatch
primal flax
They are basically genji with no dash cooldown lmao
primal flax
Monks roll everything atm
wet scarab
yeah except they have blur like all the time lmao
nimble jasper
except when they blur air
and die for it
“trinket dark? ahh i dont give a shit ring dark kill him through”
primal flax
Did yall notice mages have knockback now
nimble jasper
the one they used to have
sl players are wild tho
i had a guy in s3 call me exploiting cuz i used cjl to knock him off blades edge
primal flax
So they can now root ya Blink slow knock back when cloose blink ya stun reverse time and block when low
nimble jasper
cuz players apparently dont know crackling jade lightning has a knockback
wet scarab
I get really happy when I see a mage in solo queue it's like they can't function
nimble jasper
when cast point blank
wet scarab
most people have 0 idea how monk works which is why they're quite tilting
primal flax
I just get happy when a mage is outta blinks and I can fk em up
nimble jasper
most people have 0 idea how monk works which is why they're quite tilting
yeah
lucid walrus
But not busted like other classes rn nasty
build i'm running rn places some 37% crit chance on condemn plus the bonus damage to execute (read: condemn)
nimble jasper
season 2 I had shamans panic slt
lucid walrus
gets nasty w/ high jugg stacks
lucid walrus
peep the noncrit
primal flax
Nice
All I know on monk tbh is if I see serenity Xuen or multiple images i better get fkn ready for some dmg
Oh and bonedust obv
primal flax
Well Xuen used to give big buff for a 1 shot
primal flax
That's why I listed it
primal flax
The rising sun kick 1 shot build with Xuens armor and serenity
nimble jasper
but tbh even alot of monk players dont know how the class works
like how sck is not a real channel
and you can cast anything that isnt a channel while its going
nimble jasper
s2 onwards they’ve been playing necro with keefers
so its one min setup nukes
god i wish i streamed at least in s2
killing rogue through his vanish with sck
primal flax
I streamed when I mailed feral
Before the necro build went wild
But same szn
I think it was 2?
primal flax
Yeah I just remember feral frenzy swarm just shredding ppl
primal flax
....ugh survival hunter were the bane of my existence
Just anytime I dotted em feign disengage trap
primal flax
Yeah lmao
I just hated how if you used any kind of dots as dmg you were useless vs surv
primal flax
Yup
primal flax
Tho when necro war 1 shot started rising up that was fun. Broken but fun
nimble jasper
that was cool until i was on monk
primal flax
Yeah
nimble jasper
and guy 80-0s me through rop
primal flax
Lol
nimble jasper
with warbringer execute