pvp

[sharp meteor]

Eh, tier can be fine. It's just another little talent.

What's sucky is 1) acquisition and 2) disparities between specs

[full quiver]

Make vatalyst available day 1

[sage raptor]

Sorry, gotta slow the wf raiders somehow

[sharp meteor]

I remember queuing into 4pc people like a week or two into cosmic

surv or w/e just randomly cranking infinite damage

it's like the weirdest hill for the devs to die on

[near delta]

I mean you can have tier sets without them being ridiculous bullshit lol

[sage raptor]

The tier sets we get in S1 are as ridiculous as I want them to be

[full quiver]

Lol

[sage raptor]

Olo

[nimble jasper]

surprised this havent gotten nerfed

and going live as is

[sharp meteor]

Hmm.

[nimble jasper]

i watched trimaz q solo shuffles lmao

as assa, man just w keyed the fury

and he died in 1min every game

[graceful ginkgo]

We want to disincentivize players from leaving their match, punish them appropriately, and have minimal impact on players who did not leave. The leaver will receive a Deserter debuff that will increase in penalty for each consecutive offense.

So no Rating penalty? Hm

[muted surge]

Guess leaving the game when you play bad is the strat

[torpid raft]

when is season end? this coming reset?

[muted surge]

Yes

[lean burrow]

it's already ended on NA

[sharp meteor]

An hour ago.

https://clips.twitch.tv/ResilientProductiveAdminFunRun-9GuXej3CIASVvyFm

[muted surge]

It depends on the region. Not everyone is na

[warped warren]

lmao

[lean burrow]

least insane hpal

[raw summit]

Good for him

[atomic slate]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/stormrage/chíefkeef

How did this warrior transmog to paladin tier pieces ?

[severe skiff]

you can buy the paladin model pieces from the pvp vendor, that gear shares models with tier sets, if you upgrade it to duelist (rank 8/9+) it unlocks the elite color for the model, which is usable by all plate specs since its not a tier piece.

[atomic slate]

I assume this won't work after the season ends right ?

[elfin surge]

[desert falcon]

cope for arms to be good in DF and better then fury

[nimble jasper]

if they dont add ensembles no

[worthy fern]

@desert falcon not looking good so far

[spice hornet]

good morning @elfin surge

[elfin surge]

yo

[full quiver]

R we good @elfin surge

[elfin surge]

not good

[full quiver]

🐀🐀

[sharp meteor]

I thought they said you could still upgrade stuff, and it's tied to that.

Or maybe they're disabling the 2100 skins.

[lucid walrus]

only missing paladin boot recolor at this point

gonna be annoyed if they’re outright disabled

[wild phoenix]

So last night, doing pvp on my mage I ran into a pair of kyrian warriors.
They did a cool and evil combo on me, back2back spear and back2back bladestorm

I thought that was a clever trick

[wheat crane]

Aight boys what we running spec wise

I havent looked at shit in months

@fickle forge gimme a phat pin for df build plz

[near delta]

Literally no one knows

[fickle forge]

I haven't pinned stuff here in a lifetime

[wheat crane]

Wow

Don't make me think for myself

[sage raptor]

Prot

[bleak forge]

arms even if its trash

[wheat crane]

100% arms i just meant the actual talents

Guess were just free ballin for a couple weeks

[nimble jasper]

run against spear and blink

congrats spear neutered

[wild phoenix]

Lol yeah, or I'll I've block and totally screw the blade storm. I was on cd and took the l

[spice hornet]

1300 bracket tings

[placid flume]

Stupid question maybe but is Fury a viable spec for pvp ?

(in Dragonflight)

[wild phoenix]

1300 bracket things is my mage hitting people with a 2 second cast of glacial spike lol

[fickle forge]

What's your bench?

[near delta]

Probably

Have to see still

[wheat crane]

Shit right now, 2 tears in my left shoulder i never fixed, can still get 225 up 6-8x tho

[fickle forge]

You'll be fine then, just slap a build together

[copper hare]

fury without reck charge

[wheat crane]

Blessed

[sage raptor]

Fury will be fine without it

[proven maple]

reck charge was really good though >>

[wheat jay]

was broken

[sage raptor]

Was only broken because of the tierset + slaughterhouse

[proven maple]

fury still has slaughterhouse in DF, yea? Probably not getting rid of it if so

[wheat jay]

Was broken cuz it was broken

.

[sage raptor]

And it was broken because tierset+slaughterhouse lol

[wheat jay]

By itself, having an ability with possibly infinite charges is broken

Tierset just added another layer of absurdity to it xD

[elfin surge]

fury is dead nobody play it

[wheat jay]

Ye we all swap rogue like Mud

@elfin surge what spec?

[sage raptor]

It wasn't ubsurd until tierset. It's on a cooldown, it's fine.

[copper hare]

What

[sage raptor]

Did I st-st-stutter?

[copper hare]

[sage raptor]

No one ever said it was an issue until tierset

Ever

Because it wasnt

[copper hare]

Nobody played fury before that, what is your point

reck charge was op, and tier set enabled it, but even without tier set it is gone

[sage raptor]

What does people playing have to do with reck charge being annoying or not?

Tierset enable it. Could've made reck charge not work during tier procs. Problem solved.

[copper hare]

you're coping rn

[sage raptor]

How so?

Blizz did it with lock

[elfin surge]

also d stance nerfs hit arms pretty hard tbh

[wheat jay]

Noone noticed the skill being broken before because arms was the strongest melee spec in s2

S3 arms got shat on

So fury became the go to spec

And everyone found out about how broken charging blow was in keeping you on target

[sage raptor]

Sure

And you know what else came in season 3?

[copper hare]

[wheat jay]

[proven maple]

outlaw god mode

[sage raptor]

Evidently catheters for people's brains

That too

[elfin surge]

i tried playing exclusively arms in 3s this ssn and i couldnt do it.

gave in for last 100cr

[scarlet barn]

Bit dissapointing

But we still like you

[wheat jay]

Do we?

[scarlet barn]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sage raptor]

Who's we?

.>

[scarlet barn]

Chosen ones

[sage raptor]

Anyways

[copper hare]

I wish they would add bloodrage to arms pvp talents

idk why that isn't a thing

[sage raptor]

I found visa gift cards so now I get to see if I get DF for free. I bid thee farewell

[vagrant saddle]

no talent to have prot warrior use 2h wep with shield. why hasnt this been a thing?

[scarlet barn]

No talent for prot using 2 shields. why hasnt this been a thing?

[elfin surge]

i want weapon swapping back

[copper hare]

It's pretty silly that they gave us shield block and slam etc back but then you can't swap weapons in combat

what

"you can have it but you can't use it"

[scarlet barn]

Cant you?

Pretty sure it worked

[vagrant saddle]

I can <_<

[scarlet barn]

Just triggers gcd

[vagrant saddle]

What you mean you cant swap weapons

[muted surge]

you can swap to shield tho

so you can use both

just not a weapon

[vagrant saddle]

I swap between 1h/shield and 2h all the time

in combat

[copper hare]

you can swap it in arenas and dungeons? or just in combat

[nimble jasper]

arena you cant swap

psure

[muted surge]

it has a cd, you can only equip one

(in beta)

[vagrant saddle]

ahh in DF

weird they made that change

[elfin surge]

i want charge stun bro

[vagrant saddle]

was there an issue of people exploiting it or something in SL?

Why the change?

[elfin surge]

also does anyone know if d stance is nerfed in dragonflight?

[muted surge]

i mean

[lucid walrus]

was never used

[copper hare]

pvp modifier is still there currently

[muted surge]

you can stil lswap to shield and block

and swap back after the 4 sec buff

but it doesnt do shit

[elfin surge]

is parry a 2m cd

[muted surge]

atleast i still died through every burst anyway

[copper hare]

Parry is 1.30 with a talent

[elfin surge]

thats stupid

[nimble jasper]

barely any specs are pure physical so idk what shields would help with

[elfin surge]

we lose ignore pain

[muted surge]

ye figured that after as well kek

[elfin surge]

make parry 2m cd and make d stance 20/20

[muted surge]

would only work against ... warriors i guess

[nimble jasper]

its just outlaw and monks

[vagrant saddle]

big true

[copper hare]

d stance 15% - 15% would be good even, but they clearly don't care

[nimble jasper]

assuming outlaw doesnt just take find weakness

which ignores 30% of your armor

in windows

[elfin surge]

d stance has always been 20/20 since it was made a talent in legion

[muted surge]

it should be 10 20 :(

we dont need the dmg

[vagrant saddle]

u stfu

we always need dmg

[muted surge]

nerf warrior

[copper hare]

It was 20-10 until the first nerf in SL no?

[proven maple]

20 5 imho never leave d stance

[muted surge]

you sure about 5? pretty sure s1 was 10

[copper hare]

20% damage reduction 20% damage done increased

call it top g stance

[proven maple]

yes!

[muted surge]

20% dmg taken increased, 20% dmg dealt incrased

would be a stance i can get behind

not that pissy 3% crit stance we have now :<

[lucid walrus]

that’s just what fury had with death wish

[copper hare]

But fury has d stance now aswell, if they unnerf d stance fury will be hella tanky probably

[muted surge]

so they should just nerf fury

and give arms d stance back

[vagrant saddle]

thats gladiator stance pretty much haha

[copper hare]

imagine they revert d stance nerf then you have 20% + 10% from enrage, my god

[vagrant saddle]

bring back glatiator stance Blizz!!

best gameplay ever

[nimble jasper]

d stance is one of those things

that should never be higher on the dmg reduction

else people just perma sit d

[muted surge]

i mean

we dont have anything else kek

atleast on arms

[nimble jasper]

like 20% dam reduc and 10% dmg loss is actually w/e

[copper hare]

that was a thing for like 1 month only sadly

[nimble jasper]

net gain to perma be in d stance

[vagrant saddle]

it lasted for an entire expansion lol

All of WoD until legion prepatch

[copper hare]

But was nerfed 2 weeks into the first season in WOD

[nimble jasper]

im pretty sure turbo played arms

in wod

[vagrant saddle]

was still amazing. I played glad stance exclusively the whole expac

it needed to be nerfed tbh

[copper hare]

literally bought full BOEs back then for glad just go back to dps spec 2 weeks after they released it

[vagrant saddle]

was too OP at release

[nimble jasper]

legion is the expansion that brought us

the super degenerate tank pvp talents

🤢

[vagrant saddle]

Gladiator Stance was still great throughout all of WoD

At least in pvp

[copper hare]

I've have never seen anyone play it seriously I think or

[vagrant saddle]

Really?? There were tons

I was 2300ish in arenas for most of the expac as gladiator stance but mostly focused on RBGs

[copper hare]

All I remember from WoD is walking dead, LSD and arms turbo

RBG

[vagrant saddle]

walking dead was pretty broken haha

[nimble jasper]

rbg lmao

no turbo was just as bad

i wish that guy I knew didnt delete his vid

of playing 2.7 turbo in only cavemen grunts

as comms

[vagrant saddle]

lololol

[robust hearth]

we looking at arms or fury for pre-patch?

[vagrant saddle]

prot

[copper hare]

play what you want, doesnt matter how you lose against outlaw

[nimble jasper]

ngl i wouldnt mind if they allowed tanks to fill the healer role

but healer tank dps….

⛔

[copper hare]

is that confirmed?

[nimble jasper]

no its a wish

most problematic tank in SL has been prot pally

[vagrant saddle]

tank/dps/healer comp is the only comp i run in every expac

[nimble jasper]

mostly doing some summer+queen bullshit

[full quiver]

I'm excited to see MUD queue as prot war

[vagrant saddle]

...Who?

[nimble jasper]

whaazz playing outlaw fury in r1 range tho

[proven maple]

outlaw fury is amazing, just wound bot for your outlaw gods

[wheat jay]

Dont forget them outhealing every healer until they got 10 healing nerfs lmao

[nimble jasper]

i still have ptsd

of dumbass horse immunity

i think people said a justified nerf would have been requiring blessed hammer to hit something

to generate hopo

[wheat jay]

Every nerf to paladin is justified

[robust hearth]

u can paly tank in rated solo que

kekw

but im telling u if i see a tank on enemy team u proabbly gonna be the #1 ignored target

[vagrant saddle]

i plan to exclusively play Prot Pal, and Prot War in Solo Shuffle

[proven maple]

5head then you have shorter games cuz no healers

[graceful ginkgo]

Enjoyable games for the tanks’ groupmates I‘d imagine

[sage raptor]

idc if they have fun

you think they care if I have fun? lol

[vagrant saddle]

exactly lol

[graceful ginkgo]

Ppl will just dodge tank queues

[vagrant saddle]

they'll just be happy i carry the game for them

as a tank

[graceful ginkgo]

Jeah right

[vagrant saddle]

good luck with that and your 2hr deserter debuff

[graceful ginkgo]

You‘ll be useless and ignored

[vagrant saddle]

then blizz needs to buff them until they arent

[graceful ginkgo]

They dont

[vagrant saddle]

the point of being a tank is to be annoying and prioritized to remove that annoyance

[graceful ginkgo]

How many Tanks in Blizz shuffle Tourny?

000000

[vagrant saddle]

that was Shadowlands, no Dragonflight

Blizz always has time to redeem themselves until WoW dies

[graceful ginkgo]

Exactly

Prevent tanks from queuing

Fixed

[copper hare]

I wonder if we can already buy honor gear first week

[graceful ginkgo]

Couldn’t you in SL? Or only with S1 start?

[copper hare]

And.. if we still have to upgrade honor gear and if only conquest is insta max ilvl in pvp at 1/9

[graceful ginkgo]

I dont remember

[vagrant saddle]

only if they prevent healers from queuing too

[copper hare]

you could but honor gear was horrible back then because upgrade levels were depending on your renown level

m0 gear was better

[graceful ginkgo]

Oh right

Well AFAIK neither honor nor conq has item levels in PvP

[copper hare]

that would be insane cuz honor level is just 13 ilvl worse than conquest gear

in pvp areas

if you only have to get one set of honor gear without upgrades playing alts will actually be enjoyable for the first time in 4 years

[graceful ginkgo]

Not 100% sure on the Honor Set, conq is deffo always max in PvP

[muted surge]

honor as well

[cinder thorn]

I agree with this, tank in pvp is my favourite pastime

They should have tools that make them annoying even if their dps is shit

[nimble jasper]

they do…

[cinder thorn]

Tanks are healers also through mitigation

Which doesn't show up on stats screen

So I feel sorry for people who dislike tanks in pvp, I think they're brilliant

[sharp meteor]

I think real tanks are neat, it's just that the overwhelming majority of them are "i die as dps and want to play something tankier", then make use of little to none of their kit for helping allies.

[nimble jasper]

basically this

[sharp meteor]

Probs spamming prot shuffle early on as it'll just be 1500 mmr male elf meatheads playing

and I'll cave their little heads in

[cinder thorn]

True that, those arent tanks though, they're just meatbags

[nimble jasper]

most tanks are just players with shit awareness

and play tank to compensate

[sterile socket]

True

[nimble jasper]

prot paladin as alternative healer

alright concept

even tho drainer the non tank main was best at it

💀

[vagrant saddle]

show me where the tank hurt you

did he take your RBG spot or something?

you have a real hatred for 1/3 of the community

[copper hare]

With the builds I run now fury feels so much better (not insane) than arms atm, at least fury has self heal and is tanky

arms just dies through everything and does no dmg xd

I'm really worried

[vagrant saddle]

I wouldnt worry too much, they JUST entered numbers tuning phase

could still suck in the end but...

50/50

[copper hare]

it would be 50/50 if they would actually do proper tuning. The way they manage pve releases now in DF tells me there will be less tuning than ever before

[cinder thorn]

Please forward this question to whoever you know often leads successful RBGs or is a highly respected melee player in RBGs, and please private message me the answer

When do you engage in RBGs as melee and when do you disengage?

For example, if you engage too early you get ahead of your team and get focused first and die

If you disengage too early you leave your teammates behind and your dps stops etc

What are the principles to follow since every situation will be different

[sage raptor]

These are good questions but man I want this to be a pasta

[lean burrow]

be dk
don't engage
press grip
enemy engages you
press all buttons
top dps
feelsgoodman

[cosmic yarrow]

Game up yet? I’m still at work

[lean burrow]

be at work till 6

[sharp meteor]

It got extended another 3 hours or something.

[vagrant saddle]

yup

6pm PST is new ETA

Guys, im sooo freaking excited Prot has Shield Charge back!!

[lean burrow]

[sage raptor]

Puts the death in death knight

[shy aurora]

I hope arms is fun and viable tomorrow ♥️

[nimble jasper]

Please forward this question to whoever you know often leads successful RBGs or is a highly respected melee player in RBGs, and please private message me the answer

When do you engage in RBGs as melee and when do you disengage?

For example, if you engage too early you get ahead of your team and get focused first and die

If you disengage too early you leave your teammates behind and your dps stops etc

What are the principles to follow since every situation will be different

tldr does dk have grip?

is some healer on enemy team lacking trinket and/or defensived

[full quiver]

Please forward this question to whoever you know often leads successful RBGs or is a highly respected melee player in RBGs, and please private message me the answer

When do you engage in RBGs as melee and when do you disengage?

For example, if you engage too early you get ahead of your team and get focused first and die

If you disengage too early you leave your teammates behind and your dps stops etc

What are the principles to follow since every situation will be different

[elfin surge]

fuck u

i would nev q a tank comp

[sharp meteor]

You queued with my Destro in BFA.

Also only another hour until it's extended again. 🥳

[sage raptor]

Yoooo let's gooo

[patent musk]

there´s no chance in hell we playing today boyz!!!! :VinceMcMahonSwagWalk:

[sharp meteor]

Ah, yes, there's the scheduled extension.

[coral mango]

anyone have a link to arms pvp prepatch talents

[clear quiver]

also lookin for one

[sharp meteor]

Just pick some talents and hit people.

[raw summit]

Probably unhinged idk

Definitely not juggernaut

[full quiver]

🤣

[runic needle]

How is annihilator looking rn?

[sharp meteor]

Idk servers are up try it out.

[willow stratus]

also do tier set bonuses work in solo shuffle atm?

[vagrant saddle]

I believe tier set bonuses are turned off now

[main barn]

just got a 200ilvl staff out of my weekly vault 🤣

set MW loot for fun to see if I could get the weapon....got it, but its broken

[daring wadi]

How is Arms warrior looking in terms of PVP in Dragonflight?

[sharp meteor]

We'll be sure to let you know when it's out in about a month.

[near delta]

I have a feeling fury is gonna be the better meta pick but we shall see

Tons of tuning until then

[drowsy girder]

what the pvp arms talents set up for pre patch

[undone ermine]

Wondering if the unhinged leggo stacks with the talent?

Strange, tested it and I can get 3 MS in a bladestorm.

[near delta]

Looks like all the things that are supposed to be disabled work rn

[worthy fern]

anyone having an issue where you cant see arena party frames?

[main barn]

my issue is gladius doesnt work, not sure if anyone else has that? like it shows up, but you cant click

[distant heath]

My fury warrior (1800 rating) is dog now with these new trees...

[full quiver]

Lmfao

[distant heath]

Yeah

Kind of annoyed

Took away bladestorm for me to

too

[worthy fern]

holy shit arms is so bad

[distant heath]

I heard arms was way better rn

I am about to roll a new main for pvp

[worthy fern]

doesnt feel that way

i do no damage as arms

[distant heath]

They expect me to roll slam instead of bladestorm but slam does 0 damage'

I am 303 ilvl on my warrior and he is doing nothingh

Goodnight, I am pissed again lol

[civic raptor]

try going prot for PvP

[dry tusk]

any good pvp talent builds to try?

[copper hare]

Doesnt matter what you will spec into sadly, nothing does dmg for war atm

[woeful solstice]

Really?

fuck

mechanically or just current damage is bad? idgaf if dmg right now is bad

[sonic rapids]

anyone have an arms pvp build ?

[shy aurora]

Wel fuck blizz. Been hoping for arms for so long

[fickle forge]

We already went over this 😎👍

PTR arms almost heals the enemy

[fickle forge]

Current dmg
Rotation and kit feels good

[grim agate]

current dmg is tragic yep

[coral mango]

anyone have a d stance battle stance macro

[sonic rapids]

just switched to arms from fury, arms def better

[undone ermine]

You can just use /cast Defensive Stance

[storm slate]

So has there been any conversation on why 10 out of the 13 classes have to spec into kick

where as rogue/mage and dh do not

seems like an odd choice

[sharp tusk]

Maybe use single target build but swap jugg for executioners precision

And then fervor for SS

could be a decent pvp build if you go venthyr

And swap a few things in the class tree like swap something for storm bolt

Maybe go for avatar with blademaster so you still have a BS

[fickle forge]

/cast !Defensive Stance
/cast Battle Stance

Try it, 50/50 whether it'll work or not

[scarlet barn]

#showtooltip
/cast [stance:2]!Defensive Stance;!Berserker Stance

@coral mango

just change it for battle stance

[undone drift]

Warrior is bad in df!?

How

I thought it was looking to be the strongest

[sage raptor]

To be fair we aren't max level anymore

[tribal wedge]

lack of damage

[undone drift]

Dang

[tribal wedge]

but still prepatch

so nobody know what it will be in 1 month for the release

[muted surge]

The cool thing is, it doesn’t change anything

[undone drift]

I can't believe warrior is bad

Nutty

[sage raptor]

Wdym

If we were max level we would have more talents and higher stats

[muted surge]

But that doesn’t change our dmg compared to other classes

[severe skiff]

I mean at this point if our only issue is damage then we're still looking good

[fickle forge]

Think arms rn is built really strongly around exe spam

Good for PvE, thrash for PvP

[tired portal]

Will they unnerf dstance now we lost ignore pain?

[fickle forge]

Ask Blizz

[severe skiff]

Prob not

I wish they would nerf slaughterhouse

[muted surge]

They gonna nerf iv

[tired portal]

@cedar rover will you unnerf dstance now we lost ignore pain?

[fickle forge]

Poor guy

[muted surge]

@cedar rover pls answer :(

[near delta]

I mean we're missing talent points and don't have tier set, but just design wise enh and ww have like 4-5 shadowlands leggos as talents, and we didn't get the one that arms actually used in pvp.

Well unhinged but that was kinda meme lol

[fickle forge]

Rolling WW for the pre-patch, so I can experience SL levels of dmg for a bit longer 😎👍

[scarlet barn]

Try the guy named Biz

He knows this stuff

[tired portal]

@main saddle will you unnerf dstance now we lost ignore pain?

[near delta]

Please leave this guy alone lmao

[woeful solstice]

unhinged was fun man

i loved it

arms mechanically is nice but yeah i dont think its fair to judge things until we have set bonuses and such

im trying the jug execute build in arena been pretty fun but lack of bladestorm is rough

[low drift]

Any Arms PVP Talent Build to share ?

[sharp tusk]

Just talent unhinged

[sharp tusk]

[copper hare]

What excactly makes arms mechanically nice compared to before. 1 more charge?

And Set doesnt do shit tbh. The numbers are just not there, max level won't fix that. Arms felt decent a couple months ago on beta but for the past month it literally sucked. I doubt they will do anything during pre patch

[tribal wedge]

1 more charge with stun, unhinged, battlelord, anger management, more speed

[copper hare]

You had stun before, so it's just one more charge. And you heavily need that because every spec has a sick toolkit now.

[muted surge]

You pick unhinged?

Feels awful on beta

[tribal wedge]

i didn't play beta, but in my test, i pick it yeah, gonna try it next month i guess

[muted surge]

Problem for me is that bs does no dmg at all, and unhinged doesn’t make it worth to keep spinning for 5 seconds compred to other talents like 10% crit on ms or ms reset

[tribal wedge]

probably true

slam is shitty too wow

[muted surge]

So you have too much rage I think, that’s why I pick the ms reset

Instead of bs talents, gives overall more dmg i think

Hope we see some streamers playing arena on pre patch, but pre patch sucks anyway

[sharp tusk]

Are you guys going something like venthyr with spear

[copper hare]

Magnusz played pre patch for 1 hour, said fuck it und back to wrath

[sharp tusk]

Seems fun

[copper hare]

😂

[fickle forge]

AM is a big factor Imo

[spice hornet]

Wrath arena scene will die when df launches and arena is out lol

[rough fulcrum]

any pvp guides for prepatch warrior?

wanna make sure i cover any talents i should

using pretty much the raid setup atm from the guide

on wow head

largely wingle target stuff

what plays like SL s4 teir

WHERE BLADE STANCE

I MEAN

BLADE STORM

😭

[spice hornet]

no one is writing a guide for something so short

[rough fulcrum]

i mean there are several pve guides

but aight

[copper hare]

My pvp guide: play your dh or ww alt if you wanna have a good time until DF

[rough fulcrum]

WW dirty in pvp again hey

[lean island]

why everyone say dh ll be tier S, and fury like b tier?

[rough fulcrum]

the numbers mason

im sad no more bladestorm

[lean island]

yea but dh still have nothing to press in cc..and there are a lot of with new talents tree

[copper hare]

wat

[lean island]

fury can use defensive in stun, dh have nothing

[copper hare]

And?

[spice hornet]

The defensive I’ve died through when pressing at 100% in a rogue stun?

[lean island]

bro i'm just asking, i'm not an high xp player

[copper hare]

DH was more vulnerable to rogues and stuns, that is maybe true, but Blur is a better cd than enrage reg in general and DH also has more stuff to pre use. On top of that you don't play the game alone. And I think war and dh struggled the same way against rogue/mage for example

But dh was also really fucked by not being able to play orc, 7 sec kidneys were absolute insane

[thick reef]

yo

anyone have a pvp build i can try

i doubt the starter build is the best xD

[muted surge]

why tf can you cancel bs again

did it work on ptr?

[lean island]

fury also have intervene and rally for help mates in solo shuffle, where darkness is completely useless

[copper hare]

you're trolling

[lean island]

why

[fickle forge]

🙃

[rough fulcrum]

npc selling conq gear - the weapons arent upgradeable anymore? and they are 200 ilvl?

the heck?

[lean burrow]

solution to bursty meta

[rough fulcrum]

HA

[median beacon]

Is there a fury pvp build for pre-pathc somewhere? I will ofc dive deeper myself and tweak it, but I would love a starting point

[fickle forge]

Whenever Icy pushes them out there'll be

[onyx marlin]

this is what ive been trying

[median beacon]

this is what I came up with in the calculator

[copper hare]

That's for level 70 and odyns fury is sadly horse shit single target/in pvp

[median beacon]

i was iffy about odyns fury. and I know its for lvl 70, but i mean this as the end goal

[copper hare]

And why would you not use your points in spear or roar

That's what I played on beta for the last days, felt pretty decent. Waay better than arms

https://gyazo.com/a65cf7a097f7647e17f78d7a846ebdea

[high tapir]

anyone got an optimal talent build for arms tree

[elfin surge]

https://tenor.com/view/cringe-eeee-gif-24636179

[onyx marlin]

yeah, been using it for duels xD

[copper hare]

It's a shame you have to waste a point in d stance even to get intervene

dog game

[median beacon]

roar? i dont think so. but spear I overlooked tbh

[copper hare]

Roar is good dps wise, and if you play odyns fury you def want the 15% + bleed damage. But for pvp you will never skip spear as fury yeah

[median beacon]

revised. and again. I know its for lvl 70. so need to shave off the extra points before that, but still this as end goal in mind.

[copper hare]

did you see mine?

[median beacon]

yes

why would you take ravager for pvp?

[copper hare]

because its pumping and it lines up with spear

bursting for 50-60k in arenas

[median beacon]

hmm. okay. that makes sense

[copper hare]

ravager doubles spears dmg

[shut horizon]

Arms PVP builds?

[full quiver]

@elfin surge will you unnerf dstance now we lost ignore pain?

[copper hare]

"If you're looking for the most min-maxed pre-patch builds available, go to your bathroom and take a long look in the mirror in order to reflect on the choices you've made in your life that brought you to this point."

[elfin surge]

yeah but parry goes to 2min

[copper hare]

1.30 with talent

[elfin surge]

no parry should stay 2min no more no less

[copper hare]

https://gyazo.com/c74b3802882ab5ba32aff759fbda163c

or is that a meme? :D

[full quiver]

Playing arms is a meme

[elfin surge]

losing ignore pain and parry cdr for 20/20 stance is worth

[elfin surge]

im saying parry should be 2m

[copper hare]

I think it should be 40 sec, like blur!

[elfin surge]

https://tenor.com/view/you-full-blown-crazy-crazy-insane-lol-scared-gif-7369894

[thick reef]

i need a talent build from mud rn

and is fury or arms better

[distant heath]

@copper hare can I take a look at your build

[spice hornet]

Good morning @elfin surge

[elfin surge]

https://tenor.com/view/nacho-libre-why-but-gif-23595404

[drowsy ferry]

What are the odds that prot warr is a decent tank choice for RBGs in DF?

[muted surge]

0

[drowsy ferry]

rip

[wheat jay]

Bro please throw the most delusional and useless build that sucks

So people follow it

[lean burrow]

skullsplitter rend build with dots

[undone pumice]

any thinkers in the chat tginked of a good pvp build yet?

[frank knoll]

Need someone to make one of these asap

[sharp meteor]

guys where craft unity

wat bis cov

[muted surge]

unbiased opinion after few hours on beta.

[copper hare]

if you thought lock healing was insane last season you're in for a good one

[full quiver]

Why they're useless lmao

[full quiver]

LOL

[sharp meteor]

ya but people who use them just want somebody tell them what to play

[thick reef]

Cuz uuhhh i need it

[safe sedge]

hello guys, could you tell me some pvp builds to take a look at?

[jagged hare]

am i griefing myself going lightforged draenei in pvp?

i like the models

[muted surge]

if you want to be r1, yes

[sharp meteor]

Not really, with trinket change you should be good to play whatever to anything short of r1

you were sort of able to do that already but this was a buff to the weaker races

[muted surge]

in the end

orc stinks

[tribal wedge]

is there a way to catch up pvp gear without ruining mmr guys?

[warped egret]

it's my build

[muted surge]

not even smf

[robust hearth]

y did u put tanking DH as S tier D:

[muted surge]

bcs i didnt know which one is the dps spec

[robust hearth]

[limpid fossil]

Hows odyns fury been in arenas? Haven't got on prepatch yet

[copper hare]

useless

[past jolt]

Dark pact is giga chaded

You get soul leech demon skin and 5% health sac dark patch

[near delta]

Does demolition work with wrecking throw or just shattering?

Could potentially destroy every dark pact with it

[past jolt]

Yeah it works with both

[muted surge]

nah doenst realy dent it

[past jolt]

Keep in mind dark pact is like 160 shield if the guy has 200k hp

My b Mathed it

[near delta]

That's a lotta shield

[muted surge]

yes

without rinket 350k

on max gear

[graceful ginkgo]

seems balanced

plate is paper, cloth is tank

[muted surge]

and on a 45 sec cd

[copper hare]

every lock in solo shuffle doing 7-10k hps

yikes

blizz rly smokin some crack

[nova wadi]

which legendary are we running in pvp currently on fury?

[raw blaze]

arms ROFL

[past jolt]

Yeah I forgot vers plays a part in the calc

[past jolt]

The forget about arena in pre patch one

[sonic rapids]

@nova wadi Yesterday was trying out multiple fury builds, literally switched to arms and started to do some dmg with a slam/breaker build

[copper hare]

10 min queue time so people leave shuffle after 2 rounds, where is the fucking punishment

[nova wadi]

i feel you man :D

[nova wadi]

hmm interesting im definetely sticking with fury tho

guess ill just run deathmaker for now, seems ok

[copper hare]

Signet is still good

[sonic rapids]

@nova wadi You got a specific build you are running?

[nova wadi]

this

[robust hearth]

Venthyr, kyrian, or necro for arms so far?

[dark topaz]

any pvp arms build so far?

[desert meadow]

Venthyr + talented kyrian spear is fun

Trying some banner + spear too, very fun, but performance wise idk

[muted surge]

i wish they woulkd give us more conquest points now

getting full pvp gear gonna take forever :<<

[desert meadow]

Yeah true, I am full crit vers already but mastery versa with banner seems stupid af

[robust hearth]

Thought u couldn't have 2 covenant abilities?

[desert meadow]

U can't but spear is now a talent

Just tried some duels tho so it might not work in arena idk

[blazing maple]

Cov abilities work in arena

And leggos as well I believe

[copper hare]

priest has boon and mindgames

xd

[blazing maple]

Only tier set doesn’t

[opaque peak]

What about kyrian + NF, cuz ennemies will have to sit the NF aoe and will be stun

Inside the spear

[desert meadow]

Kyrian + fae seems like heavy one shot if everything's align

Everything criting

[copper hare]

not taking avatar is feed tho

[desert meadow]

Yeah true

[willow stratus]

anyone tested the arms bleed builds?

[desert meadow]

Just some solo shuffle gimmicky stuff

[tacit bear]

@nova wadi why take 1 point in wild strikes instead of shattering throw?

[nova wadi]

thats a pretty valid fucking point, gonna change that rn ty

[blazing maple]

Do u take avatar or spear now?

[distant heath]

Avatar

Should I macro recklessness and Avatar together?

[sharp meteor]

If you want, but also have them bound independently.

[distant heath]

Yeah

Fo sho cuz they share different cooldowns

[coarse pebble]

I wouldn’t for arena purposes. You may be able to bait a CD with one and have better damage uptime by staggering the other

[distant heath]

Ahh aoky

[coarse pebble]

There will be instances where they are out of CDs though and you can slap them with both

[distant heath]

What about Odyn's Fury?

[coarse pebble]

I havnt tested that one out enough yet

[distant heath]

Okay, thanks

Just struggling because my warrior has 110k hp and I am getting 1 shot still

1800cr

[nova wadi]

ok nvm is shattering throw bugged against bubble?

[distant heath]

It worked for me

[nova wadi]

tried multiple times now, doesnt seem to do anything

[muted surge]

did you take the talent

[nova wadi]

ye

[distant heath]

Hmm

[muted surge]

the correct one :<

[nova wadi]

is the actual shattering throw one the right one?

[muted surge]

yes

[nova wadi]

cause i had the same feeling earlier this morning when i tried it

[muted surge]

mhm

[nova wadi]

perhaps bugged perhaps im bugged irl

we'll never know

[distant heath]

LOL

[indigo pike]

@nova wadi it was bugged for me last night

[distant heath]

Am I missing something? My health dropped 15k from normal?

[blazing maple]

In arena?

Outside of shadowlands you lose stamina form renown cause they now only work in shadowlands zone

[distant heath]

Yeah in arena

I dropped 7k in arena

[safe sedge]

is this the best so far?

[sharp meteor]

ya bis talents 100p

[distant heath]

What talents?

[nova wadi]

ooof i wouldnt put it that far, but i enjoy it and it seems pretty strong. just change wild strikes for shattering throw (if it isnt bugged for you)

running it with deathmaker

[distant heath]

I am trying your build rn Yoshii, I am struggling still lol

I think I am pretty good, still struggle though

[safe sedge]

i miss blade storm in rotation

[distant heath]

Ik right

[safe sedge]

I need to get used to not using

[distant heath]

Bout to switch to arms lowkey

[nova wadi]

its pretty focused on slaughterhouse

apply full 8 buffs and then just keep consistent damage going

they always break eventually

[safe sedge]

the covenants skils is working in bgds

bgs* ?

[distant heath]

Is SArena going to get updated anytime soon?

[spark sparrow]

hey does anyone have an arms and fury talent build for pvp? im new and cant find anything

[distant heath]

Yes

Ask Yoshii lol

[junior kestrel]

@spark sparrow this is Yoshiis build

[spark sparrow]

thx a lot

[raw summit]

AJ seems so bad

[fickle forge]

Arms slaps

That's all

[coarse pebble]

yeah im honestly thinking thats the way to go

you got a build youve been trying out?

[fickle forge]

Trade OF for this

[sage raptor]

warrior is doing very good damage what are yall smoking?

[copper hare]

yeah against low people in solo shuffle, as always

queue up against some full geared people on 2.1 + and tell me if you get a rdruid below 70% hp

[sharp hawk]

what are arms pvp talents?

[muted surge]

sharpen and the otheres depends on matchup

[strange pilot]

So been playing around in Normal pvp today. And is it just me or does warrior feel weak now? I know its pre patch and all. ALso when i see on dps meters, warriors is much below

[nimble jasper]

feels@ok

fury isnt disgustingly broken tho anymore without tier

[muted surge]

gotta run bnt and pump those meters

[nimble jasper]

tierset fury somehow managed to be more braindead than dh

[strange pilot]

i have tier and everything 🙂 ilvl 290

[nimble jasper]

which is an achievement

290 pvp ilvl is low

[muted surge]

tier doesnt work

[strange pilot]

oh hahaha xD

[muted surge]

and the others are 311

[strange pilot]

feels bad

There we have it

[sage raptor]

yes

I should be used to how everyone here exaggerates by now lol

[lavish nest]

do the recklessness and odyns fury 'greatly empower' effects stack?

[bleak forge]

what have they done to arms damage....

[inner chasm]

I don't know if i mess up the new rotation but i feel like i halfed my damage as fury too

[nimble jasper]

you dont have tier anymore

[inner chasm]

dissapointed in odyns fury too

[wispy gulch]

is fury going to be viable in pvp?

in DF

[nimble jasper]

who knows

hopefully not

[copper hare]

maybe you're just a superstar

[copper hare]

I mean it's a hard hitting ability for aoe specially because it's uncapped, but nothing for single target or pvp

[tame zephyr]

any arms builds for pvp

[sonic rapids]

@tame zephyr got a slam/breaker build if you are interested, not home yet. At work so I can send later

[willow stratus]

I want to try and test out a bleed build for arms

can't decide if 1- its even any good and 2- if you should run thunder clap to spread rend

[elfin surge]

BcEAtml4yL3PsSlRlqnvTeVx4DAJJSEJEJpUSSAAAAABRSCkAERjWSSAaSEEAEJAAAAAAAA4AUSCAA

BgEAtml4yL3PsSlRlqnvTeVx4HAAAAAAAAAAAhkAJAR0kmIB0ISQCARSCRSSSgQSkEKpFARSAAAA

[elfin surge]

@thick reef

My talents for prepatch arenas. Still testing shit tho

[thick reef]

Thx <3

[willow stratus]

mud! thank you for sharing!!

have you tried out bleed arms build yet? just seems weaker than others due to not enough talents to support it

[elfin surge]

I have not.

[sonic rapids]

@elfin surge what is usually your rotation for that build? I'm use to running a slam build

[thick reef]

Im lookinf at talent trees and isnt reckless abandon better than anger management?

Cuz odyns fury is 45sec cd and that lines up with recks 1.5min cd

[willow stratus]

are you running signet and banner with these?

[elfin surge]

Maintain rend then rotate between overpowers and mortal strikes. Slam used as filler to fish for overpower procs

pretty basic rotation

[elfin surge]

Kyrian & Enduring Blows legendary for arms

[thick reef]

Hmm what if u ran a storm of swords build with crushing force,dat might be a waste of talent points tho

Or maybe that will be something to consider at lvl 70

👌

[sonic rapids]

ty for the help

[full quiver]

Tek was saying enduring bugged rnow

[ancient sonnet]

How is warrior feeling?

[undone ermine]

Buttons and rotation feels good, but you can feel the missing damage.

[wheat jay]

Tight

[elfin surge]

Class feels complete but we cant do any damage

[undone ermine]

Which might just be a function of being tuned for level 70 or something.

[lean burrow]

time to be lore-accurate background-soldier-tier warrior

[full quiver]

@fickle forge

🤔🤔🤔

[gentle horizon]

Arms or Fury for PVP?

[bleak forge]

both do almost no damage go another class

[green wyvern]

they wanted to shake up the meta for df

I guess killing warrior completely is one way of doing it

[gentle horizon]

its that bad? :/

any decent tierlists?

[nimble jasper]

what tierlist

prepatch literally dont matter

[sharp meteor]

pls i need bis tier list for the prepatch gameplay

also were craft unity

[gentle horizon]

i wanna grind some saddles lol

[nimble jasper]

you guys dont just vendor those?

or delete them

[past jolt]

Yeah it’s not viable

Gl with rogue

[nimble jasper]

you mean monk rn

if you actually care enough about cringe prepatches

and 1 dinging people

[past jolt]

Yeah

[undone pumice]

prepatch is where you get to farm hella gold and mounts

[past jolt]

Gl with monk

[undone pumice]

not where you pvp

[nimble jasper]

tho prepatch is irrelevant

no rating to be gained

[past jolt]

I’ve never played a pre patch in my life

[nimble jasper]

or anything

[past jolt]

I just always take a break from game when pre patches hit

[undone pumice]

prepatch is where you get banned for naming your character Racism (that is allowed btw)

[past jolt]

Unless it’s classic pre patch, then I play for catch up shit and honor cap cuz leveling is a pain with crapola gear in cwassic

[steep inlet]

They nerfed us like 5 or 6 times on beta

Just fucking why

[nimble jasper]

alot of specs ate fat nerfs on beta

[wheat jay]

And a lot more will

[lean burrow]

is it possible to macro dstance/bstance on the same button?

so that it behaves like SL dstance

[undone ermine]

Saw this one earlier:

/cast [spec:1, nostance] Battle Stance; [spec:2, nostance] Berserker Stance; [spec:1, stance:1] Battle Stance; [spec:1, stance:2] Defensive Stance; [spec:2, stance:1] Berserker Stance; [spec:2, stance:2] Defensive Stance

[lean burrow]

nvm, i figured it out

/cast [form:1] Berserker stance
/cast [form:2] defensive stance

/cast [form:1] Berserker stance
/cast [form:2] defensive stance```

[sonic rapids]

@nimble jasper can you actually upgrade conquest gear through prepatch ratings? (from solo shuffle)

[nimble jasper]

no idea

[sonic rapids]

kk

[nimble jasper]

can you even upgrade gear in prepatch

shit’s a meme

[sharp meteor]

You're meant to be able to.

But wins aren't giving upgrade credit right now.

So probably in a few days.

[nimble jasper]

i really have 0 interest

[sonic rapids]

yeah, with honor. But i realized all conquest weapons were bugged and 220 ilvl

[nimble jasper]

in getting dinged by double ww

over and over

[sonic rapids]

what do you mean by upgrade credit? honor?

[nimble jasper]

no prob rating req

to upgrade gear

[sharp meteor]

I mean if I win a match at 2200 then I can't upgrade an unranked piece to duelist or any quality.

because it says I need a win in that bracket

[nimble jasper]

yeah thst

so whats even disabled

just ssn achieves?

[sharp meteor]

Idk I'm just working on UI until things are less borked.

[sonic rapids]

Ah yeah, heard that was a problem. Don't know if its bugged or intentional. Couldn't find it in the patch notes, although they mentioned rewards besides titles should still be there

[nimble jasper]

same

i was just doing UI stuff last night

[sharp meteor]

They said you'd be able to earn honor/conq and upgrade stuff while pushing rating in post-season.

I am not sure if they included shuffle but I imagine they would.

right now everything is all buggy, though

so hit dummies with talents and fix UI

[sonic rapids]

What do you guys think about the UI?

so far

[nimble jasper]

idk i dont use stock ui

uggo shit

[sonic rapids]

what UI do you use?

[sharp meteor]

I've been using dominos and SUF since forever, so taking the chance to try to play with default. Or more default. Not 100% on it but it's worth messing around with.

There's nothing else to do for a few weeks.

[lean burrow]

isn't new ui basically dominos?

[sharp meteor]

Seems a little worse but should be fine. Not as many options as bt/dom.

[sonic rapids]

@sharp meteor makes sense, I guess it only feels like there is a lot for me to do since I barely started playing like a month ago

[sharp meteor]

Ah, gotcha.

[nimble jasper]

used to use lorti

cuz darker frames

and remove gryphons

💀

[past jolt]

tender and move anything might be slightly more customizable than the new ui, but i for one am happy to ditch them bc of thee inconveniences that come with them

actually really appreciate what they did with the UI, it's game changing for me

[dapper knoll]

ya only thing I hope for is the raid frame

it's ugly af

[past jolt]

havent looked at those

i do soem beta testing on target dumbies and then log out

pre-patch is not teh type of content i enjoy

some ppl like things getting as stupid and broken as possible and think its fun i get it

but that was sl in a nutshell

an unmonitored shit show

[safe sedge]

what condutis ands soulbinds are u using for fury pvp guys

[past jolt]

i dont use those

it's time for a new expansion man forget that garbage

[safe sedge]

but in bg they are working

?

[past jolt]

bgs for what

dude play classic at least it's somewhat relevant

[safe sedge]

wtf?

why are u telling me what need to play lol

i just want to do some bgs for fun

[past jolt]

then why are u asking advice on what stupid powers to use in the bg

[safe sedge]

because this discord is for this nah?

you ok bro? want to talk to something?

chill

[little lava]

exploiter nerfed to 12% per stack in pvp

doing 7k mortal with 2 stacks

KEKW

[past jolt]

i dont think so

[safe sedge]

ye lol

[past jolt]

i dont think bgs in pre-patch should be talked about or encouraged

[sweet solstice]

can you change talents b4 arena starts?

pls tell me no : )

else i need to start making 20 loadouts

[safe sedge]

ok, YOU THINK that, its a personal opinion.

[past jolt]

well here's the evidence: nobody has answered or acknowledged your stupid question

[safe sedge]

why so angry?

[viral elbow]

@sweet solstice YEAH THEY CAN

caps

why do u care what that guy does for fun? youre just being a loser for no reason lol

hes asking a quesiton in a HELP discord

[sharp meteor]

ya prepare yourself

[undone ermine]

Just tried some solo shuffle, feel like I'm smacking people with a pool noodle.

Depresso expresso.

[sonic rapids]

@undone ermine what build you rocking? Felt that way as fury until i switched to a certain spec in arms

[undone ermine]

Running arms, tried a few different builds; what have you had success with?

[little lava]

i tried arms with venthyr, on condemns it deals big fucking dmg but outside condemn u cant do shit

like 7k mortals on crits

and condemns like 32k

[undone ermine]

Feels like we've been given a million more options but only one real choice.

I wasn't running condemn, was actually trying to avoid it because I wanted to try other playstyles.

[onyx marlin]

really?

[little lava]

yep, was about to have fun with exploiter and it gives only 12% to mortal per stack

XD

[mighty fractal]

Anger management over reckless abandon for fury? Thoughts on why?

[raw summit]

RA doesnt charge you anymore

[sonic rapids]

I had success with a slam/warbreaker build when I was doing solo shuffle, I think I was pulling good dmg for my gear

[sonic rapids]

I can send you the build when I get home if you want

[mighty fractal]

Right. Forgot about the crushing blow Nerf.

[waxen granite]

Did anyone try Unhinged legendary with the tree talent ?

[blissful dragon]

Is there a good place to go for PVP builds for prepatch?

[distant heath]

Stop being a dick for no reason.

[distant heath]

Wowhead seems to be doing alright

[blissful dragon]

Really? For PVP ? I must have missed something.. Thank you! I will go check it out.

[dawn saddle]

Y'all think Fury will be decent for arenas or is it arms all the way?

[pallid void]

Honestly I have only been able to keep up with other classes in arena by using ToM and Thunder clap. Sucks because ToM does feel that great to use in pvp

doesnt*

[dreamy epoch]

any news on if rated solo shuffle will be giving great vault progression and mount progression?

[lean burrow]

people playing glorified beta test

[kind canopy]

is rating not working atm? all my wins have given 0 rating

[sharp meteor]

Nope.

[kind canopy]

lame

i just needed 1 win for upgrade

[soft canyon]

16 stacks of Fatality and I hit for 17k It took me about a minute to get all those stacks. Can we have a moment of silence pls

24k overall with execute DH slapped me for 47k with EB + BD

[fickle forge]

Hits fine for me

[soft canyon]

Brother I was doing pvp outside of ogri, the only times I won was against really bad players (pally stuns my SR or spriest gets shadow locked when low), I switched to Fury and I basically almost won every game. Even vs monk and DH that are stupid broken rn it was around 50% WR

Look how they massacred my boy
Its fine, its a scaling issue, Arms is going to be goated when lvl 70, with gear and a healer

[waxen granite]

i think it's a tuning problem

dps just sucks

[soft canyon]

Weird thing is I went to #arms and theres some mfs out there parsing super hard on Raid bosses

[past jolt]

[waxen granite]

thing is fury litterally won a cooldown button (avatar) while arms needs to spec what it already had (bladestorm) which is basicly used for utility

kinda meh

[soft canyon]

I dont think that has anything to do with the problems rn
You often use bladestorm just to dodge a CC or remove a root

[fickle forge]

BS is where the damgur is at now

[soft canyon]

oh you mentioned that I read it too fast. But yea I feel like its just either scaling or tuning issue

[waxen granite]

fury won odyn fury basicly for free and avatar is baseline

2 things they didnt have in the first place

arms didnt get anything except unhinged

[fickle forge]

Numbers of CDs don't really matter

[soft canyon]

Fatality which does no damage rn and is useless on invis classes

[waxen granite]

well it does matter in the sense that it makes fury way burstier than it was before

[fickle forge]

It really doesn't

[waxen granite]

and it was kinda arm,s thing before that

[soft canyon]

bro i can legit put 8 stacks of slaughterhouse on someone with 2 gcds what u mean it doesnt matter

charge, recklessness mid charge, rampage, odyns fury, rampage, and not only that, they prob at like 60% by then

[fickle forge]

It comes down to tuning, and even then just consider Avatar your replacement for Conq Banner

[waxen granite]

welp arms didnt have conqueror banner baseline

its not the same

[soft canyon]

they did do arms dirty

[fickle forge]

We'll see when we hit 70

[soft canyon]

• with ignore pain gone u have so much less sustain

[waxen granite]

its def hurting arms viability to have no new abilities (before tuning at least)

[soft canyon]

with all these slam talent nodes idk if i should even OP > slam anymore, or if OP is used purely for MS boosts. But MS fucking sucks hitting 6k rn

[waxen granite]

rage is pointless right now you always cap

that's another stupid thing

[fickle forge]

Then talent into spending more of it

Feeding AM is important rn

[waxen granite]

sadly spending more rage doesnmt mean doing more damage right now

[fickle forge]

What

Lol

[soft canyon]

man im boutta take cleave in PVP just to use all my rage

[lucid walrus]

boy do i wish we had something that helped with survivability while also functioning as an off-gcd rage dump

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[waxen granite]

is d stance back on 20 damage reduction at least

or tooltips are broken again

[sharp meteor]

Should still be 20/10 in pvp.

[lucid walrus]

give IP

[soft canyon]

wasnt it 20/20 or am i crazy?

[lucid walrus]

was nerfed in s2(?)

[sharp meteor]

Nerfed between unchained and cosmic can't remember when

might've been after unchained

but yeah arms too tanky

[waxen granite]

fury got both d stance and 10% on enrage

now

[soft canyon]

Yea but Reckless Abandon just got fucking hammered

[waxen granite]

is it

[lucid walrus]

with no tier it's not incredible

[soft canyon]

now it just buffs ur next 2 BT or RB

[lucid walrus]

oh it like

[soft canyon]

instead of all of em

[lucid walrus]

actually got changed

had no idea

[waxen granite]

big f

[soft canyon]

i mean tier set u basically get it in talents, except its rampage instead of RB giving u the procs

[waxen granite]

its not the same its not raging blow procs its rampage

[soft canyon]

ik, way less, but its not ALL GONE, its just way nerfed lmao

[waxen granite]

its unreliable af

[soft canyon]

but also, is it me or is empowered RB not charging rn?

[waxen granite]

big sus for pvp id say even

[soft canyon]

im personally happy, always preferred arms over fury, especially with how freaking low skill floor fury was. Still sad, its a massive nerf, if anything they coulda reduced the duration in half, or given like 5 hits which woulda been enough imo

[waxen granite]

id be happy if arms was any good but I fear it's not gonna be great

[soft canyon]

I refuse to believe warr will stay in its state while monk and DH will bloom as hard as they are now

[sharp meteor]

Crushing blow lost its charge component.

[fickle forge]

Good

[soft canyon]

When was that changed? I thought it was a bug ngl 💀 And tbh if thats the case then the reckless abandon nerf aint that big

[sharp meteor]

Dunno, I remember seeing it coming in DF a month or two ago.

[fickle forge]

Time to pick AM

[sharp meteor]

Presumably because PVE players used it to charge into dumb shit when bosses had funky hitboxes.

[soft canyon]

Fun fact, if you inspect your PVP rating it says "games won" twice instead of having "games played"

[fickle forge]

Shattering seems bugged and doesn't remove immunities

[sharp meteor]

I thought that was intended.

Actually maybe that was a tweak to something similar.