pvp

[cursive venture]

shouldn't be able to

[muted surge]

why not

[cursive venture]

They are stances, not buffs

[muted surge]

ye but even the best mma fighters

are just walking sometimes

and not stancing around

[cursive venture]

yea but i didn't ask about mma fighters

[muted surge]

a warrior gotta chill as well

the war between horde and alliance is over

time to relax in the dragon isles

[cursive venture]

ya we can chill in our stance.

[warped warren]

do you know what a stance is?

[elfin surge]

bring back weapon swapping

[languid raven]

SO

brothers and sisters

i came to seek your wisdom

I need them juicy macros for pvp

im in need of help from the chaddest of us

plase share some love as a really newly pvper im enjoying it a lot

[raw summit]

[languid raven]

but no one has the good stuff (i mean macros)

ah phill

my man

he needs some macros too

[raw summit]

nah im good i got more than 5 keybinds

[languid raven]

please give us some thanks in advance

HAHAH as always man

nice one

got me good !

forgot to mention that im fury warrior i need macros for that also i am a maldraxxus employee please consider that when you want to share some love (and by love i mean macros)

[fickle forge]

They are now, stances are long gone

[frank knoll]

Are they resetting conquest Tuesday

[fickle forge]

Ye boi

[frank knoll]

So what does post season gear look like

Cause you can still get rating and unlock elite sets apparently

[fickle forge]

Well, if it's anything like the last couple pre-patches

Then it just sucks to be you 😎👍

If we're lucky we get to keep the system and conq till DF launch

[elfin surge]

but fury 2 button

[alpine bridge]

3 if you count the login button

also hi all

[elfin surge]

[muted surge]

i played 8 ranked solo shuffles today and got 0 rating so far

wonder if they gonna fix that garbage until prepatch

[low sparrow]

Any prepatch arms guide ? Talent selection and stuff ?

[tribal wedge]

too soon

[low sparrow]

Will there be one before Tuesday ?

[muted surge]

just pick whatever tickles your pickle

you cant really go wrong i think, just differnt playstyles

[alpine bridge]

Hoping the bleed build is going to be good, shit is really fun imo

[tribal wedge]

you've got a month to try everything

[low sparrow]

I don’t Wanna try everything I want the best build for prepatch arena don’t care bout anything else really

[spice hornet]

There’s never enough time to discover the best prepatch build and nobody really cares to find one since stuff is badly tuned or broken

Shadowlands prepatch you stacked the slam azerite trait and tried to one shot people with slam

[frank knoll]

Watching Rocky training montages to mentally prep for my 3s sesh tonight.
I need to do something with my life

[near delta]

They just cleared all the pvp modifiers on beta last week. Presumably to rebalance them

[muted surge]

do the def stance modifiers count?

[cinder thorn]

😂

[near delta]

Pretty sure yeah lol

Well rather they're still t here

[gaunt loom]

what is your guys opinions on warrior survivability in DF?

[muted surge]

compared to SL or compared to other classes

[gaunt loom]

oh sorry, compared to SL

[green wyvern]

it's worse

[gaunt loom]

[frank knoll]

Mage and Lock survivability looks broken though

[muted surge]

like eveyr class does

[cursive venture]

?? Impending Victory with out giving up storm bolt. Kyrian vial on a min cd, pain and gain. I wouldn't say its worse.

[muted surge]

but no ip

[tribal wedge]

no ip, and weak dstance

[green wyvern]

Pain and gain is useless in pvp

Impending Victory is nothing like ignore pain

[raw summit]

It's animasphere conduit

It's alright

[muted surge]

pag heals for like nothing

impending victory is nice tbh, but not that big. same with the bitter immunity

i wish some good warriors here would stream some beta :>

[raw summit]

Trille streamed some a while ago

But ping drove him crazy

[patent musk]

is fury looking good as in SL or Arms is going to be king again?

[muted surge]

ping is crazy tbh

i got flamed for missing my spear :D

[raw summit]

Fury doesnt have the stupid charge on crushing blow anymore

[cursive venture]

Pretty sure the beta is unplayable for the European guys, un4ch.

[muted surge]

nah it isnt

[raw summit]

It's like 200 ping or something

[muted surge]

you just miss some spears and an interrupt now and then

[patent musk]

i still dont know what to main xD, is so hard to choose

[muted surge]

what do you want todo

[patent musk]

pvp, and i like the 3 specs

i was looking at monks and enha shamys as well

but blizz hates enhas so 1 week in DF will be nerfed as always

an Monks are insane ATM

[raw summit]

What's speaking against playing more than one

[muted surge]

so are enh

[raw summit]

Odds are some of that shit goes live

[lean island]

fury war in df ll play one handed or two? i see a couple of interesting talents for 1 handed

[muted surge]

2

[raw summit]

1h is bad

[muted surge]

1h is troll rn

and you try to play orc or human.

[lean island]

i ll play panda

[muted surge]

if you try to not troll, 2h it is

[lean island]

i never troll

thx btw 🙂

[raw summit]

Panda is funny

Love pandas

[wheat jay]

That's a good sign

[vestal quail]

Has anyone got a TG pvp talent set up that is doing well on beta? I know above it says SMF is troll but it’s doing better for me in duels and arena skirms on beta

[muted surge]

i mean, you spend 2 talent points to still do less dmg than tg. i dont think the talent setup itself changes much

but i dont like fury, so ye

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, too easy to adjust a problematic ability in one season, shift a bunch of stuff around but not remove the modifier and now it's a dead ability like...ebonbolt I think is one of them.

[undone pumice]

its like i hope 1hs are viable in df

[muted surge]

the devs even said 1h is intentionally worse

[sharp meteor]

Feels bad that there's no tradeoffs.

2h just looks so goofy a lot of the time.

[muted surge]

yea

its just too fast for 2h

[spice hornet]

They need to just let furry mog 1h

Onto 2h

[wet scarab]

I mean you are playing a green-skinned hunchback with enormous teeth it's no less goofy than dual wielding giant 2 handers

just think of it as grip strength from all those gym sessions

[uneven turret]

So i guess in 10.0, after we hit 70, we just spend all the honor points in honor gear, and conquest points in conquest gear right? Should be pretty easy to gear up pvp.

No need to save honor for upgrades.

[muted surge]

upgrades are only for pve

so, no

[uneven turret]

Yeh, so spend honor points on honor gear set as soon as we get them

Then conquest on the conquest set, starting with weps obv

[raw summit]

and then ur done

[muted surge]

(until they introduce some power grind in the next patch)

[uneven turret]

Conquest is 424 right? What ilvl is honor gear?

[muted surge]

411

[uneven turret]

O thats not bad at all

S4 Gladiator mount is gone after Tuesday right?

[sharp meteor]

Yep.

[near delta]

Breath of syndragosa is super nerded in pvp still for no reason lol

[frank knoll]

Gd boomy is getting nuked

[frank knoll]

Yea it’s like the easiest thing to stop lol. A melee channeled ability wtf

[undone pumice]

its like either remove TG or let us mog 1hs onto 2hs

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, that'd be swell.

[wet scarab]

they have that ability it's called playing a demon hunter

[sharp meteor]

I don't want to be an edgy elf, though.

It's just one of those arbitrary things that they decide they don't want.

[low sparrow]

Is Arms looking like it will be stronger in arena the fury

[sharp meteor]

Dunno.

[near delta]

No idea until tuning

Theoretically, fury will have lost a lot with the removal of the set bonus, crushing blow charge, and blade storm

So one would expect arms to perform better

[low sparrow]

Oh I forgot that’s why fury was so good

[undone pumice]

italso just ran over you

[steep inlet]

WARLOCK
Destruction
Incinerate damage increased by 35%.
Chaos Bolt damage increased by 30%.
Rain of Fire damage increased by 35%.
Conflagrate damage increased by 25%.
Immolate damage increased by 35%.
Cataclysm damage increased by 20%.

[spice hornet]

They need that

[fickle forge]

Warlock finally playable

Why is it every time that I open these notes, warrior is always fucking barren on them

[sharp meteor]

Honestly that's one of those things that'll probably be compensated for.

If numbers are decent then Fury will crank more sustained single target pressure.

[fickle forge]

Think the biggest loss to fury was conq banner

8 stack SL is gonna be hard af to get outside Reck

[raw summit]

you can still proc reck from rb

still a thing sadly

[shy aurora]

So what spec is looking more promising? Arms or Fury?

[green wyvern]

Idk neither looks that good imo

Fury is tankier, probably more dmg too

[tribal wedge]

wait for some pvp tuning

[green wyvern]

Arms has a bunch of pvp modifiers that nerf half of its bleed abilities

Mortal strike being at 0.7 value in pvp is a crime

[tribal wedge]

indeed

but i'm pretty sure arms is gonna be up soon

[green wyvern]

only if they target buff it for pvp

[tribal wedge]

it will imo

[green wyvern]

we'll see

It's terrible in single target pve too

so it might get some buffs

or maybe they want to make arms a mythic+ spec

[wheat jay]

is it tho?

it seems to be doing very well in pve

[raw summit]

they just removed all pvp modifiers to retune iirc

[wheat jay]

execute phase being the strongest part of it

[green wyvern]

Archi said it's bad on single target

[raw summit]

well outside of exe its weak

[green wyvern]

decent in cleave

[raw summit]

and barely catches up with exe

buffs soon

[green wyvern]

they have maths

[wheat jay]

critcake says we're happy, thus we're happy

[green wyvern]

it's decent in m+

and decent in cleave obviously

[green wyvern]

They didn't, MS is at 0.7 value, Roar is at 0.5 (I think), Bloodletting is at 0.5

[raw summit]

well many many have been set to 0

[wheat jay]

don't think we have final tuning to say 0.7 is bad tho O_O

wasn't it 0.7 whole shadowlands and it was hitting like a fucking truck with cds?

O_O

[shy aurora]

I hope i can play arms and have fun

And not be forced into Fury

I like Fury but meh

[wheat jay]

Unless you know a prophet all you can do is wait for release

[raw summit]

🔮

[wheat jay]

In terms of kit arms is busted

[tribal wedge]

yes

[wheat jay]

Its gonna come down to dmg

[tribal wedge]

just more damage and a bit more tankiness and it's broken 🙂

[wheat jay]

And dmg tuning is not even close to being final

[fickle forge]

Procs from Rampage though

[near delta]

I thought it was just from rampage now

[raw summit]

cant remember

karg prolly right

[wheat jay]

I Heard they removed charge from charging blow

[fickle forge]

Can't proc it back to back anymore

[raw summit]

ye

[near delta]

Eles are hitting people for 850k lightning bolts on beta so should wait and see lol

This game is gonna be a mess on launch tho the way things are going

[tribal wedge]

reflect, gg, war broken

[wheat jay]

Well

Things will 100% be broken

@fickle forge if I get such Bugs or interactions on survi I'll abuse it

Just so you know

[solemn dock]

I'm making my first alliance warrior, which races are good outside of human, and how would you rank them (incl human)?

[wheat jay]

Human

Human

Human

Human

Gnome

[sharp meteor]

Dwarf/DID might be good, especially if assa/feral top tier.

Gnome is good for root break.

Melding cc or big hits is also a good time.

[wheat jay]

Just say human and cease thine copium

[tribal wedge]

human or litle human

[fickle forge]

Okay it's gonna happen soon

"PvP balance to multiple classes"

It'll be popping up any second now

[wheat jay]

Nerf to dstance

[fickle forge]

"At the end of the day, people gotta die" - Brolinka

[wheat jay]

Well, he did deliver

Arms never died in 9.1

In 9.2 they were perma dead

[sharp meteor]

He certainly kept his word. 🙏

[solemn dock]

im watching someone stream arms arena from df beta right now and it makes me want to assume a fetal position and give up

[wheat jay]

Why

Its beta

Far from final product

[solemn dock]

what happened the last 3 times we said it's just beta

[wheat jay]

It literally is just beta

Difference was that there were retarded systems, now there are none

[sharp meteor]

It really could go anywhere, so it's worthless to speculate.

[wheat jay]

Now there's only tuning

[sharp meteor]

Shit gets buffed or nerfed by legit 30-60% every week or something.

[tribal wedge]

the good things is

[sharp meteor]

Best spec now could get kneejerk gutted into the literal worst spec for the whole expansion like Enh was in BFA.

[solemn dock]

i know im just worried that they will just focus on raid tuning and spend like 1 week on pvp tuning

[tribal wedge]

arms is low, so can't be nerfed

[sharp meteor]

Who cares pick a spec that looks cool send it and figure the rest out later

[wheat jay]

No need to worry about it

Cuz i can assure you it will be the case

Why worry about certain?

Worry about something that's not certain, like mmr inflatiob

May the first season be giga inflated so I can get mount easily

[solemn dock]

or where my dad went after he went to buy some milk

[wheat jay]

Yep

[solemn dock]

you're right

[wheat jay]

Like, legit there's nothing to worry about now

[solemn dock]

just anxious because im very committed to my choice of spec because im disabled

[wheat jay]

There's 0 systems that affect pvp

[solemn dock]

and they're adding a lot of new spells on DF so i cant play many classes anymore

[wheat jay]

Dont commit to spec, commit to class

Easy

Fury/arms are similar in difficulty

And if you enjoy both you can play whichever is stronger

[tribal wedge]

god speak

[wheat jay]

Dont listen to bullshit like REEE retards Play X spec

[solemn dock]

i'd sooner commit seppuku than play fury (dont enjoy it)

[wheat jay]

Cuz that's just bullshit talk, that I also partake in

[solemn dock]

but i think i will lvl a dk

dks look fucking awesome this xpac

[wheat jay]

Might be different in df compared to sl

[wheat jay]

100% agreed

[solemn dock]

its hard to explain but i have 3 fingers instead of 10

so that makes a lot of classes impossible for me to play

but dk and warri are the best options I think, and dh too but i dont like dh

[wheat jay]

Ever thought about gaming mouse?

12 buttons under your thumb

[solemn dock]

i already have a g600

[wheat jay]

Ah

Fair fair

[solemn dock]

and i remapped my keyboard so S is a modifier

[wheat jay]

Should be enough to cover most stuff

[solemn dock]

(since i dont backpedal)

well that's the thing i still need to target and stuff

[wheat jay]

Mouse for that

[solemn dock]

not possible

like i said it's complicated

[wheat jay]

Fair enough

[solemn dock]

ive been looking and dk and warri seem like the best

[wheat jay]

Still possible to squeeze some stuff together, like intervene/charge/hamstring in one button

[solemn dock]

oh wow

did not know

[wheat jay]

That's assuming you dont have intervene for party23

But a mouseover

[solemn dock]

i do

2 party macros

[wheat jay]

Then cant rly have that macroed together

[raw summit]

mouseover for bolt/fear also saves binds

[tribal wedge]

rip MS/IP macro ....

[solemn dock]

but the charge/hamstring sounds interesting

[wheat jay]

You can have charge and intervene tho

[solemn dock]

ye

[wheat jay]

Just macro it together

[solemn dock]

so when you're close it doesnt charge and when far it does? smart

[wheat jay]

Charge is only usable if you're 8 yards or farther from enemy

If you're melee it will hamstring

[solemn dock]

my original plan was to play survival hunter because i love the spec

but for obvious reasons that's not possible with 3 fingers LOL

[wheat jay]

Bless you brother

[solemn dock]

12345432 pet macros etc

[wheat jay]

Ye its a fucking piano, even more so in Dragonflight xD

[solemn dock]

is monk very difficult mechanically?

looks like fun, and you can play mw sometimes

[wheat jay]

No idea

Seems to be very hit and run

[shy aurora]

I played monk last season its very fun. I think it has a high skillcap. I got 2.2k still learning

[fickle forge]

Nice heroic speech idiot

[sharp meteor]

scoobz in shambles

[sharp meteor]

ww looks stressfully unfun

[wheat jay]

I said don't listen to it, not that I don't partake in it

[near delta]

You could definitely pull it off if you can pull off arms

[wheat jay]

There's a big difference

[solemn dock]

...?

[wheat jay]

Dont listen to the bullshit about some specs being retarded etc, but I say it myself, thus dont listen to me when I say some specs are retarded

Cuz I say it for fun and to stir some harmless drama

[tribal wedge]

retarded or not, just have fun

[wheat jay]

Yep pretty much

Like

There is a retard that refused to play fury with his homies to push rating

BUT

He played fury with other group that ditched him

[fickle forge]

Basically, don't listen to Artji

😎👍

[wheat jay]

Hoes ain't loyal, right @fickle forge ?

[fickle forge]

They never are

Pulled a S1 on us again

[wheat jay]

I see a pattern

Next season glad confirmed

[fickle forge]

Is an everyday life necessary

Can it be scrapped for more WoW time?

[wheat jay]

Yes

I'm gonna work, train, play wow

[fickle forge]

[wheat jay]

Give up real life until I get gladiator

[patent musk]

has someone tryed Survival Hunter?

[wheat jay]

On beta, no

Shadowlands, yes

[patent musk]

i always liked the survi gameplay, wonder how it will be on prepatch and release

[wheat jay]

Prepatch i tried

Its going to be melee focused mostly

More tools to play with

MUCH less rng

Actual burst cooldowns

[near delta]

Sounds like survival thug is gonna be nasty then

[wheat jay]

KFC man

KFC

Taking it to gladiator

[scarlet barn]

hmm

I would love some KFC atm

[wheat jay]

Lmao

Id prefer some good pizza

[copper hare]

chicken tenders > glad

[wheat crane]

Whens df prepatch? Tuesday?

[wheat crane]

No lie the boneless tender box is pretty wild

[solemn dock]

i thought the 26?

oh right 26 for us in eu

and i think 25 for NA

[wheat crane]

Its like a ton of tenders 2 sides of mashed potatoes, slaw and some biscuits

[wheat crane]

Yea tuesday thrn fantastic

Over wrath lmao

[spice hornet]

It’s pretty boring just waiting for DF really

Just do 10 5s games a week for points to not fall behind on anything and VoA

Even then I’m like 1650 in 5s and I get 8min queues to fight a 2k team since arena is still dead

[wheat crane]

I was enjoying my time

Till i faced an ele + hpal on dalaran sewers

And it lasted like 20 fucking minutes

[spice hornet]

Yeah that’s an extremely boring matchup

Any ele/dk/war + hpal which is 90% of games = 15min+ of time

It’s just dead like tbc really, classic mains don’t rlly like arena

Like why bother when a wep is 4500 arena points and requires 1800 lol

[wheat crane]

Yea i raided once and got a 2her off kt

[spice hornet]

lol

[wheat crane]

Its the same ilv and dmg as the deadly weapon

Like why bother?

[spice hornet]

Every 5s game having an ele zzzz

[wheat crane]

tHe RaIdS aRe GrEaT bRo!

My ass

[high sparrow]

dont think anybody said that about wotlk naxx

[copper hare]

Yeah I don't remember anyone ever saying season 1 raids in wrath are awesome haha

wotlk is known for ulduar/icc, wich is still piss easy and comparable to retail LFR, but still awesome raids

[frank knoll]

I think Evoker might be bananas

Seems like it could be annoying af to play against

[lean burrow]

don't you have arthas raids or smth?

[spice hornet]

I’m healing in wrath and fighting ele is so miserable, literally 90-0s people

[wheat crane]

Yea

My buddys playing one too

Its retarded

We were playing warr dk ele 5s

Not even sure if it actually counts as pvp

You just press cds and instant global something almost no outplay

[spice hornet]

I played s5 originally I was like 12 but I don’t remember there being ele so many ele

[wheat crane]

One nice thing tho is rogue mage sucks this xpac

[spice hornet]

Just dk

[green wyvern]

Bladestorm not being cancelable is such a fuck you to warrior

[undone pumice]

what the

can you not cancelaura it in df?

[lean island]

really?

[green wyvern]

you can't cancel it anymore

macro/right click it off

neither works

[lean island]

maybe is just a bug

[green wyvern]

No

it's intentional

There are some modifiers that affect you as bladestorm ends

Like bonegrinder

They don't want to inconvenience PvE people to have to use their brain when to cancel bladestorm and when not to

[muted surge]

If it’s worth spending 1 point for a 4? Sec buff and doing 0 dmg during bs

You could just try to cheese like the other classes one onetap Someone with full buffs every 2 mins

But that doesn’t seem like fun gameplay

[green wyvern]

Nah

I don't think you take bladestorm now

in pvp at least

I also think warrior will drop a lot in DF pvp, compared to SL

From S tier (as it was in SL) to like B- tier

[muted surge]

With so many slows atm idk. Arena doesn’t feel fun atm but bs atleast let’s me move a bit

[green wyvern]

You use bladestorm

Guess what enemy druid/mage does

Insta casts poly/cyclone on your mates cus you cant stop it during bladestorm 🙂

All in all terrible class design coming from Blizz, thank god I didn't pre-purchase

[graceful ginkgo]

Ret Warr is probably gonna be good

[green wyvern]

Warr is a liability to ret

Why not just play ret/dk

no safeguard from intervene anymore

[graceful ginkgo]

Arms isnt tuned well rn, that will change

[muted surge]

That’s why we got solo shuffle now. So warriors are actually allowed to play

[lean island]

which melee ll be tier S? rogue of course right?

[green wyvern]

rogue/dh/ww look good

ret/dk are decent too

[muted surge]

What about feral

[green wyvern]

Haven't tested it in pvp myself

[graceful ginkgo]

You probably cant cancel BS cus of interactions like double BS (Torment) and Unhinged (would be 4 MS +1 regular MS) in a very short timeframe

[green wyvern]

But snupy says it's at least decent

You can aoe bleed people

[graceful ginkgo]

WW looks insane for DF unless numbers are shit

[green wyvern]

He's owning people on beta but he's rank 1 feral so if's hard to judge how good feral is

[muted surge]

Ww is really good

[proven maple]

I'm so tired of having to dig deep to beat multi-r1s at 2050 in 2s this season, it's the sweatiest sub-2.1 scene ever, all I want is the enchants and shit, 2096 season high, just throw me the last game already

[sage raptor]

All wrong

[fickle forge]

Just beat em'

[lean burrow]

is s4 glad mount gonna be the rarest of them now?

[raw summit]

Probably

[spice hornet]

That enchant is one of the worst I’ve ever seen

[copper hare]

I hope they do something serious about people leaving solo shuffle in DF. Shit's annoying af

[muted surge]

„We do not want to penalise players in a more relaxed game mode, just because they have to step away from the computer every know and then. solo shuffle was intended for a broader audience of the playerbase, so everyone can enjoy the ranked aspect of the game.“

[gaunt loom]

what would you guys recommend as a melee class to just pug 2s? it seems like arms isnt gonna stack up too well 😄

[thick reef]

I personally love Fury

[spice hornet]

Umm any spec of rogue (outlaw most op) or bm/survival hunter

Don’t play warrior 2s unless you want depression at higher rated 2s

2100 is free tho as fury

[lean burrow]

surv is insanely fun

trapping is also giga troll move

you will especially enjoy throwing all ccs on fury/dh

[frank knoll]

Yeah bro, I played alot of SV 2s in season 2 and 3
Played trappers net diamond ice into DH or fury teams and just mowed down the partner

Unfortunately I bowed out of 2s because Outlaw is no fun to face and that’s all you see after like 1800

[sharp meteor]

Rarest of the SL ones.

Might be rarer than a few pre-bfa ones.

[bleak forge]

Any arms pvp talent builds for DF?

[near delta]

Oh god you can't cancel bladestorm. Wtf

[sharp meteor]

No? Hmm.

[tribal wedge]

bug or intended?

[near delta]

No idea. If it is intentional, it'd negatively affect pve too so it hopefully gets reverted?

[tribal wedge]

hope so, not gonna beyblade in the wind every arena

[frank knoll]

I love how that’s the criteria for something to get looked at

Can’t piss off the raiders

[wheat jay]

You are

Cuz there's unhinged and gathering storm

[tribal wedge]

the beyblade duel with monk is gonna be legendary

[gaunt loom]

https://tenor.com/view/bey-blade-gif-5082072

[spice hornet]

Ahhh another week of VoA 10 and 25 man where I’m the only warrior and have yet to have warrior piece drop. Meanwhile a 1400, warrior next to me has betrayed and deadly hands/chest/legs, nice

[kindred swan]

Will venthyr arms become a thing again in prepatch or do covenant abilities not work in pvp?

[patent musk]

Covenants are going byebye

[fickle forge]

Condoom is doomed

[tribal wedge]

[wheat crane]

Condemn charge spam was peak sl

[copper hare]

Really? I thought just tier sets are disabled

[kindred swan]

I thought covenants will still be working on shadowlands areas. I guess pvp doesn’t count towards this?

[patent musk]

in SL areas i think it will still work

[nimble jasper]

not gone until DF

@kindred swan 0 point pvping in prepatch

[sharp meteor]

Get used to new abilities and talents.

[nimble jasper]

ww oneshots heh

[copper hare]

pre patch is still better than beta with 160 ms

[nimble jasper]

oof

is it on eu servers?

i only have 90ms

[copper hare]

playing from EU is horrible, impossible to land a kyrian spear in arena haha

[nimble jasper]

i thought beta servers are in na

[copper hare]

Yes? And people from EU have terrible ms/lag

are you drinking my brother :D

[nimble jasper]

oh you are eu

that explains alot

prob also explains why you see alot of outlaw rdru

[spice hornet]

Yes it’s so bad I’m in Europe rn on vacation and playing wotlk is hard, 2-3 second delay idk how people do it

[sage raptor]

Qfiend has a bot that changes his pfp at random intervals

[undone pumice]

dam

[copper hare]

Anyone tested some dk on beta already? does it look promising?

[muted surge]

in duels, ye

high dmg, good self sustain

range dmg

[copper hare]

but gameplay wise, any improvent over live or same shit with some additional gimmicks?

[muted surge]

idk how its in sl

but you just put your dot, summon your zoo and then run

[copper hare]

haha, gonna test some on beta then, ty anyway

[solar breach]

any tips for killing/dealing with rdruids?

[wanton siren]

Hello, I was hoping to hear your impressions about warrior pvp in Df, what will be the dominant spec and how much will it crush. I haven't seen any 1m dmg execute screenshots yet but here's hoping

[wheat jay]

noone knows

how its going to be

cuz tuning is far from being done

there's literally 50% nerfs/buffs flying everyday

for every spec

[tribal wedge]

pvp tunning waiting room

[wanton siren]

Fair enough. Any new unstoppable cool downs or game breaking utility added? I'm looking to play just 1 plater to buy all the mogs

[wheat jay]

not too many new things

[wanton siren]

Warrior seems like a good choice for the MS but they have a history of being weak early xpac

[tribal wedge]

arms kit is really good imo

[wheat jay]

we just get EVERYTHING that we previously had

[tribal wedge]

2 charges, stun etc

[wheat jay]

arms was best melee spec in s1 and s2 of shadowlands

so i'd disagree with that take

[wanton siren]

Tbh it was a bit ago, I just remember ret, rogue and dh oneshots

So arms is the spec of interest eh

[wheat jay]

noone knows 🙂

if someone tells you a definitive answer, they're talking out of their ass

[tribal wedge]

at least, we can say arms has potential

[wheat jay]

about any spec

[wanton siren]

Okay well thanks, I'll setup my vpn again and play with the talents a bit

[copper hare]

wrong

ignore pain + unnerfed d stance > 1 more charge impending victory everyday

on top of that we still have to wait if that bladestorm shit is bugged or intentional

[tribal wedge]

ip lost is sadge, but we still have D stance, just a tunning matter

[wheat jay]

ye, lets not forget dbts hjealing

double time, storm bolt, bounding and all the other shit we get for free now

😄

[copper hare]

"We still have d stance", d stance is still 10% damage TAKEN reduced and 20 % damage DONE reduced

awwwwwful

[wanton siren]

hahaah what on earth

"intentionally cuck yourself"

Honestly I'd play berserker stance any day 20% dmg done increased, 10% dmg taken increased 😄

[wheat jay]

had one year to get used to it

if you're not

too bad

[copper hare]

we got used to it by playing fury tbh

:-D

[spice hornet]

s2 sub?

[inner arrow]

With the changes to the pvp trinket bonus in DF it's fair to say there will be a lot more variety in warrior race in PVP what do you guys think will make a nice race for warrior in pvp

[worthy fern]

@copper hare d stance on beta is 20 percent wall and 10 percent dmg reduced

[tribal wedge]

even in pvp?

[worthy fern]

Does it change in pvp?

I’m just reading tooltip

[tribal wedge]

yes, pvp modifier

[worthy fern]

They need to add that shit to tooltips

So annoying

Arms is scuffed on beta anyways the dmg feels so bad compared to almost every other melee

[tribal wedge]

yes, wow tooltip are really bad

[worthy fern]

A lot of stuff is overtuned though so maybe everyone else gets brought in line to arms level

[green wyvern]

You can read pvp modifiers on wowhead

def stance is the same as in SL

[near delta]

Did anyone notice they nerfed double time and bounding in pvp a few weeks ago?

[copper hare]

ofc, meanwhile outlaw has 2 gapclosers on super short cooldown, 1 min sprint, 10 yard melee range

monk THREE rolls, flying kick on 20 sec, port legendary in general tree

dh has fel rush on 8 sec recharge now

[worthy fern]

@copper hare don’t forget outlaws baseline 30 percent move speed

[wanton siren]

How can they nerf movement abilities?

longer cd?

[worthy fern]

Yes

[wheat jay]

Not rly longer CD in itself, just smaller cooldown reduction from talents

[full quiver]

@wanton siren what u think u doing in here boi

[near delta]

Yeah that exactly

Which is weird af when warr really isn't looking that strong lol

[wheat jay]

is it really not?

based on dmg or kit?

[near delta]

Just based on damage atm which is subject to change

[wheat jay]

ye

[near delta]

But they're straight up nerfing the kit there lol

[wheat jay]

nerfing the kit

[near delta]

It was like nerfing bounding stride cd reduction in pvp

[wheat jay]

changing charge from 17s to 18.5s?

XDDDDDDDDDDD

bruh

[near delta]

I'm trying to find the post

It was so weird just cause it's little shit that shouldn't really matter

[wheat jay]

dont need to find post

1sec

changed from 15s to 7.5s

1.5s nerf to cd reduction from double time

BRUH

can't even call that nerf XD

[near delta]

lmfao

[copper hare]

Yes, they don't know what they are doing. I swear they are rolling out random numbers. They changed DH meta from 25 to 24 sec lol

Ive never seen adjustments like that in decades haha

[wheat jay]

well, what else would they do, its still in beta

they can slap any numbers they want, in any order they want

[muted surge]

"its still in beta" doesnt work for long anymore

[wheat jay]

i dont give a single flying fuck, im only interested in final product

if its shit on release, ill complain then

maybe if i had beta access id complain now

but i dont, so no point in crying over it

and seeing others cry about a fucking 1.5s cd reduction nerf is pathetic ngl

[muted surge]

is there usually a pvp testing during beta?

or is that walys just on the side

[copper hare]

I got beta access, I can cry for us both if you want

[wheat jay]

nah

let me remind you that pvp is a minigame in wow

[copper hare]

In the last expansion betas there was usually more tuning and pvp didn't feel like that 3 days before pre patch. But I think they got rid of their pvp team in SL or something.

But it's not only pvp, gaps between specs in pve are also atrocious

[wheat jay]

Still, gotta wait for logs from mythic to see the pve balance fully

[muted surge]

We got logs from mythic

[wheat jay]

From beta, yes, and we get class nerfs/buffs every day?

Which is what's supposed to happen

[copper hare]

Yeah, but it's still only 3 days. Tuning and changes are normal, but we are close to DF and specs still get like 50% buffs. I have high hopes for DF, but I don't think releasing it 2-3 months later would have hurt anyone

[muted surge]

I mean, prepatch doesn’t do shit anyway

So still a month and 2 weeks until balance matters

[wheat jay]

Pre-patch =/= df

And even then we need full gear to really see the balance properly

[muted surge]

Ah wouldn’t say that

But we do have full gear on beta, and we can definitely see pvp balance

(Besides tier set I guess)

Which is also strange that we do t have that rn

[wheat jay]

excluding the tuning we have yet to receive in full

[undone pumice]

tier sets

bottom text

[fickle forge]

+50% dmg to Mortal Strike

It's coming dw

It's just beta guys

[wanton siren]

Expanding my horizons you know 🤣

[green wyvern]

warrior kit got completely butchered

no ignore pain, no safeguard

uncancellable bs, hopefully just a bug

[wheat jay]

only got every current talent in the tree without needing to choose one out of three

[green wyvern]

Impending Victory is bad compared to IP (even in its retail state), Bounding Stride is whatever, double charge is ok-ish, not gamebreaking because charges don't replenish independently

I would trade my entire DF class tree for ignore pain

[wheat jay]

XD

bruh

[muted surge]

i think you overestimate the value of ip tho

[wheat jay]

so you're not happy with

having allmost all of these at all times

and you'd prefer ip over it?

we dont have deadly calm and ravager

we dont take fervor and cleave

and collateral really

and we get all the other shit

lets not forget this

while also, getting some of the most broken legendaries for pvp that we previously had

signet but with more control that double dips from unhinged which we can also get

bruh you're high as fuck

xD

[green wyvern]

spear is on a 1.5min cd

6 sec duration

[muted surge]

but does more dmg

[wheat jay]

ahhhh also we have tremor

[green wyvern]

ip was completely broken

even magnus acknowledged that and wanted them to nerf ip instead of def stance

but they killed both

[wheat jay]

well, now you have justified the removal of it

[muted surge]

together they were broken

but now we have neither kek

[green wyvern]

I want to have at least one of those

[wheat jay]

you do, nerfed dstance 🙂

and free IV

[green wyvern]

it's probably not worth taking def stance

especially against casters

[wheat jay]

it is

for intervene

[muted surge]

yes it is

[wheat jay]

[green wyvern]

cus you dont need intervene

against casters

[wheat jay]

bruh

its a mobility spell as well

[wheat jay]

are you actually trolling?

[wanton siren]

Maybe I'll play ret instead xd

[green wyvern]

are you trollinf

lmao

how can you defend dogshit design

[muted surge]

what

[wheat jay]

?

[green wyvern]

fury is looking decent due to it being way tankier and unslowable pretty much

but arms is dogshit, and warrior design is dogshit in general

[muted surge]

how is warrrior design dogshit 🚯

[green wyvern]

we can huff copium and expect huge buffs

[muted surge]

the design is good, it just lacks some stuff

[green wyvern]

its terrible

[wanton siren]

So warrior is the new dh 😩

[patent musk]

WTF are you talking about

[green wyvern]

its worse version of SL warrior

[wheat jay]

by some stuff do you mean crazy burst to oneshot whole planet like in s2?

[muted surge]

what makes it terrible?

[wheat jay]

arms literally got everything it needs and more, for the price of IP XD

that was either useless waste of rage, or broken ability that made warrior unkillable, depeding on tuning

[muted surge]

arms needds smth more for surviability tho

but that might just be overtuned classes atm

[green wyvern]

As I said tuning still hasnt finished

but arms falls over fast

and its utility is like 20% of what it had in SL

even worse probably

[graceful ginkgo]

Only utility Arms lost is Safeguard

[muted surge]

wait how is utility worse

besdies safeguard

[wanton siren]

How does fury compare to now? Still a chainsaw? Or a pair of scissors?

[muted surge]

more dmg and more heal compared to arms

less in both than some other classes

[green wyvern]

I have played both on beta, I don't see a reason to play arms

[wanton siren]

Thanks

[muted surge]

bladestorm!

[green wyvern]

Fury does everything but better

You can spam execute with tier set

Can even play execute charge

[muted surge]

100k on an afk rogue

and you cant get cced during it !

[graceful ginkgo]

Fury was held up by OP tier, that is gone

[green wyvern]

Ravager looks strong too

[graceful ginkgo]

Here‘s hoping Fury is Z Tier in DF

[sharp meteor]

I hope that both specs are good.

[graceful ginkgo]

Retarded spec

[muted surge]

in pvp?

[green wyvern]

yeah

It has a huge aoe

and it follows targets

and if you combine it with spear

people just die

you can go afk

[sharp meteor]

I queued into somebody playing it last season

it honestly hit a lot harder than we thought

[green wyvern]

i'm not sure about SL, i'm talking strictly DF

cus ravager is way easier to get in DF

[wanton siren]

So compared to ret and unholy does fury come up due to the MS for 2s or solo shuffle?

[green wyvern]

keeping up slaughterhouse in DF is super easy

you have perma 8 stacks

[wheat jay]

not like it's ever been hard anyway

[green wyvern]

So I think it will dominate 2s

unless they nerf it giga

but tbh pve andies say fury damage is bad on ST

[wanton siren]

Considering y'all are expecting buffs sounds good

[muted surge]

i expect nerfs

[wheat jay]

expecting nerfs to other classes

also, can't rly say for certain until i play stuff myself in actual arena

rated 3s or 2s

[muted surge]

rav spear is gonna be the play

[green wyvern]

yeah its strong

[muted surge]

fully buffed its gonna be 400k dmg

btw i read on the forum that spear ticks with 120k

how come my full dura did 50 kek

[green wyvern]

pop every cd

[muted surge]

even then

unless its against an unmoving target

that doesnt pop shit when you burst

[sharp meteor]

?

[green wyvern]

is this beta or?

are you full conq gear

[muted surge]

yes

but i didnt pop cds

[green wyvern]

you have to pop reck

and nerage

enrage

[wanton siren]

Playing with spear does sound fun

[near delta]

People wanting the spec thats almost never good to be bad cause of 2 seasons of OPness are silly

[green wyvern]

as long as it has the strongest MS and an easy way to keep it up

double charge + bounding stride is more of a buff to fury than it is to arms

[raw summit]

Nah

Fury could get away with double charge easier

[green wyvern]

I didn't even feel the loss of raging blow charge when I played it on beta

[graceful ginkgo]

Reason is Fury gameplay, brainafk perma MS

[wheat jay]

its like beast mastery

its braindead easy

noone likes beast mastery

cuz its braindead easy

[fickle forge]

I want it to be bad because it's braindead simple

[wheat jay]

its always annoying when you need to try very hard to win and someone plays bm or fury and just spam 2 buttons xD

[tribal wedge]

arms trade IP vs everythings else, don't get what you are complaining :/

[fickle forge]

You have 0 win conditions other than hitting people

[full quiver]

Atleast bm gets a few more buttons now

[fickle forge]

Very few outplay buttons

Don't need stun half the time

Play something like kitty cleave and you literally only hit people with the occasional Intervene

[wanton siren]

difference between BM and Fury is bm runs away while fury smacks face into people

There is a clear winner

[wheat jay]

id say the difference is bm needs to land a trap

fury doesn't

and one being melee other being rage made no difference cuz fury was unkiteable xD

[full quiver]

I think fury easier mechanically but harder to do intervene and peels properly than bm

[fickle forge]

Many things you could say about BM, but at least it needed to stun and trap

Fury be like

[full quiver]

Trapping without stun on bm giga aids

Can't just harpoon over and wing clip them whenever you want lmao

[wanton siren]

When you invite a marksman into your grp and he doesn't even bother trapping

[sharp meteor]

the age old question of which spec drools less

[spice hornet]

Bm to me will be more drool. It is ranged yet doesn’t have to cast or stand still. Npc does a big chunk of your dam.

FOTM furry can get outplayed and be unable to touch you if you escape around a tight pillar

[cosmic yarrow]

Do we feel like with numbers tuning arms will be good? Or is the kit bad now

With d stance and intervene nerfed so and and no ignore pain I’m a bit concerned

[spice hornet]

Let me ask my crystal ball

[cosmic yarrow]

I’m just new to warrior so I’m tryna see what experiences warriors think

[spice hornet]

Nobody can answer that, they tune things every week up even during mythic raid

[sharp meteor]

lol no idea

can't even know next week

or the first few weeks of df

[wheat jay]

We can know when everyone Has learnt the meta

[sharp meteor]

arms could be the best spec in the game again or the literal worst

[wheat jay]

And how to play around it

[lucid walrus]

the kit is huge now tbh

[sharp meteor]

ya everybody has a huge kit

[lucid walrus]

it’s the opportunity cost that sucks

[sharp meteor]

my enh told me to log onto alpha then knocked me into a root

followed by another knock into static

then earthbind

[lucid walrus]

guh

[wheat jay]

Tar trap roots now too

Every Hunter gets scatter

[sharp meteor]

idk if it's a realistic build but that's going to be hilarious on vertical maps

yeet somebody into africa, root them into rdruid vortex

they get back up

bonk agai

[wheat jay]

Warrior gets knockback too which is funny

Could be useful in dalaran arena tbh xD

[sharp meteor]

gonna bat nerds all over the arena like they're a pingpong ball

also neither of the sham knocks dr'd

so it was knock, targeted root into another knock

[lucid walrus]

https://streamable.com/mqu0xk

ancient KT reroll propaganda

[wheat jay]

Know what pains me

I lost explosive trap on survi

[sharp meteor]

my druid setup a kul'tiran and mogged him to the dh elite set

[wheat jay]

Its a choice node with stun now

[sharp meteor]

said he's just gonna punch people into vortex in shuffle

[lucid walrus]

lmfao

[sharp meteor]

imagine getting taken out of the game for 25 seconds by dadbod kul'tiran with a blindfold

[wheat jay]

Id do the same but my guild is horde xD

[sharp meteor]

kul'tiran actually look sick and the racials aren't bad at all

[wheat jay]

Kultiran best

Ye

[sharp meteor]

they just suffer from the panda tummy stretched texture issue

[lucid walrus]

the racials are pretty neat yea

[wheat jay]

But why are they ally

[lucid walrus]

i just wish the models got love

[wheat jay]

Wacklliance

[sharp meteor]

ya no customization options lmao

like 4 hairstyles

[lucid walrus]

customization and shoulders sit funny

[wheat jay]

All you need is beard for kultiran really haha

Or the big moustache

[sage raptor]

All the races would really benefit from them tbh

[wheat jay]

From big moustaches?

100% agreed

[sharp meteor]

it is weird certan races have no facial hair

like trolls or i think undead

[wheat jay]

Cant grow hair if you're dead

Or if you have metal jaw

[sage raptor]

You can die with facial hair though

Metal jaw is fair

[sage raptor]

I want a French mustache

[thick reef]

Do we have a pre-patch talent tree for pvp atm?

[nimble jasper]

no prob no point

since cant get anything during prepatch

[thick reef]

Bullying people in pre-patch is always a valid point

[nimble jasper]

you mean get bullied

by rogues

[thick reef]

Until your rogue comes in with the counter-gank

[nimble jasper]

wpvp

[sage raptor]

Wpvp 👑

[warped warren]

wpvp 🥰

[muted surge]

wpvp on warrior 🚯

[wheat jay]

Just run with your druid homie

[sage raptor]

Everyone has a druid homie. They're a dime a dozen.

[spice hornet]

tfw my classic char is on grobbulus because my real life friend was very adamant about playing there so he could world pvp

[solemn dock]

do i go panda for swag?

go panda and make the derpiest mog ever, with the derpiest name ever

i already know the answer why did I even ask?

[indigo barn]

Panda cc warrior -> instinctively zerkers -> fear after

[wheat jay]

Panda is nice

And you win the mental warfare if you win

I know people that RAGE when they lose to pandarens

[spice hornet]

Yes I was messing with panda in s2 when I was bored selling gold boosts, got some 2s wins from panda capping a healer who didn’t think it would happen. The range on it is kind of ass tho as a melee.

Couldn’t stand 7 sec kidney shots though felt like an eternity

[abstract veldt]

Guys how do you win as fury vs outlaw priest

[wheat jay]

Usually, you dont

[vernal plank]

anyone recall if honor was reset at the start of shadowlands?

[wheat jay]

Iirc yes

[vernal plank]

yeah thought so, ty.

[abstract veldt]

Intresting, what about surv and resto

I want to improve

[wheat jay]

I can't rly speak too much rn cuz i havent played s4

[spice hornet]

You probably don’t beat that either but iirc the highest eu warrior I think at beginning of s4 was just going max mobility and going rdruid hard as possible

Highest in 2s*

[abstract veldt]

I see

[spice hornet]

You could possibly run over the survival as well if he’s bad

[abstract veldt]

I mean at 2.4 rating it's rare u meet a bozo

[spice hornet]

2400 2s only survival = 1700 in 3s

You would be surprised how hard your spec can carry your 2s rating

Omg s4 DH with 9x gushing wounds at 2500 in 2s but 1800 in 3s. They just W key your healer with mana burn and there’s literally nothing you could do.

[wheat jay]

I'm survi glad and only 2350 in 2s

Am I a disgrace to my people?

[warped warren]

yes

[fickle forge]

Swap between Rdruid and hunter pet and hope the hunter is garbanzo

[fickle forge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/524306108853125147/707661527695753307/unknown.png

😎👍

Yeah guys I just improved really drastically in a season

Def didn't RNG good corruptions in early season

[spice hornet]

This is why we need mud stormforged, to ban the non-true warriors:……..

[spice hornet]

Lmao forgot about the slappy hands corruption as well

[wheat jay]

I'm 2k xp on warr in both 2s and 3s tho

That's like 2900 on any other class

[spice hornet]

Yes, yes it is

[elfin surge]

https://tenor.com/view/mujikcboro-seriymujik-gif-24361533

[wheat jay]

Lumberjack with the Man?

[raw summit]

Sandbag so we get warrior buffs

[spice hornet]

dekel is that you?

Prot/arms/mw?

[coarse pebble]

We play resto druid and fury warrior and we find that the best way to beat outlaw and disc priest is for my druid to kite well and run the rogue by for hamstrings. If I don’t help him kite with hamstring AND pressure the priest at the same time, i lose that

[sharp meteor]

Have had decent success just throwing every bolt/fear/disarm into the rogue while training priest.

Can also kind of kite a bit with piercing if they're alternating between you and druid, which also sets up for clones.

[wheat jay]

doesn't mud play it?

[spice hornet]

Yes I’ve qd into him playing it before on retail

Now he’s busy playing African turtle cleave on wrath

[muted surge]

does the server matter for wpvp?

or are all realms kinda clumped together in wm

[raw summit]

wpvp doesnt matter so neither does the server

[muted surge]

big wpvp content in df tho :<

[raw summit]

Oh right

[spice hornet]

I think it’s more about if you get put on a balanced shard or not

You can be on an all ally shard as horde or vice versa. Idk if there’s a way to reliably hop anymore. I don’t think server matters when being put into a wm shard but I could be wrong

[muted surge]

okay so it doesnt matter on which server i hop

[spice hornet]

I think it’ll just be like a the BFA azshara zone, just join groups in LFG to do whatever world pvp activity they’re gonna require for gear

Some people will put stuff like “lots of ally in this shard” etc. and you just join them and phase over

[muted surge]

k thats nice

[spice hornet]

Did the same thing for shadowlands when doing shackle quest in korthia actuslly. Have to join other groups to find a shard with enough ally

[muted surge]

just gotta find a wpvp class now, since warrior is ... warrior :D

[spice hornet]

Feral Druid or a tank spec

[muted surge]

feral would be nice

but it feels so bad to just run way 90% and kite

[spice hornet]

That’s what makes you win every wpvp 1v1 though

[bleak forge]

then stay warrior :D

[muted surge]

yea

well, thats why i play warrior

but winning as warrior in wpvp is kinda not possible

[bleak forge]

well

we'll die trying then :P

[near delta]

You can't win but you can take some of those fuckers down with you

[copper hare]

rdruid root spam with incarn is so fucking annoying my god

[spice hornet]

Yeah it’s lowkey disgusting

With the PvP talent that makes their roots not break easily on dmg

[sharp meteor]

Really annoying to get insta rooted on mobility yep

[spice hornet]

Insta root with the talent while the outlaw rogue melees you from 10 yards away

[wet scarab]

Do we have any sample builds for prepatch tomorrow?

[cosmic yarrow]

So is anyone else concerned about locks getting amp curse baseline next season? We’re just not gonna get to crit vs any lock team unless we have a decurse on our team…

[spice hornet]

Fighting a lock using the curse extension leggo with amp curse

[undone pumice]

fighting a lock :

[near delta]

Fighting:

Why can't we all just get along?

[undone pumice]

existing

only time im is when i hit a pb

[copper hare]

I tell you, locks have much more struggles fighting us

[cinder thorn]

Yep, let's play blizzard monthly fee to look at each other and chat 😂

[spice hornet]

agreed I played my affy alt in beginning of s4 and holy fk the amount of ape fury that just runs at you no regard for anything

[undone pumice]

i havent pvpd since mage lock was meta in season 3 so idk how it is rn but last time i fought one i got randomly dinged by instant cbs

[copper hare]

I think the only lock team I lost to was aff/mw, I dont think we should ever lose to a lock in 2s

[copper hare]

destro is not a thing anymore, but yeah that shit was disgusting. you're on 40% hp and a infernal drops on your head lol

I rather fight broken afflictions than broken destrus 100%

[spice hornet]

Fucking kek forgot about the proc infernals stunning

My mind blocks out trauma it seems

Frozen orb and blizzard raining on you at the same time procing roots

While skeletor presses 1 button

[sharp meteor]

-rattles furiously-

[copper hare]

That's why tier sets are a bad thing in pvp. People that say tier sets are a good thing to mix things up can fuck off

[sage raptor]

Yeah

"They change muh rotation"

Play a different spec then damn