Nuh uh
#pvp
sage raptor
wheat jay
wet scarab
Isn’t it a bit weird that the PvP season will continue after prepatch but the mythic one will end
I’m all for it but it’s a bit strange. Great opportunity to practice real games with the new talents
near delta
Seems like it'll be pretty scuffed since we're not going to be level 70 so not going to actually have all the talent points we'll have in DF.
lean burrow
is there any addon to notify me when I get dispelled by healer?
maybe a sound effect when I get dispelled just so I know it happened
there probably is a weakaura, do you guys use anything like that?
lean burrow
I know, but I never hear it
elder wigeon
you can listen for it or make a weakaura to activate when you're the target of any of the healer dispels
lean burrow
during combat
elder wigeon
why do you need to know
lean burrow
just one of those things that default ui sucks at
so either I look at omnicd and see that dispel gets used
or I try to hear the sound of it when it gets used not on me
nimble jasper
i just notice when im out of something
past jolt
Dude that thing gets thrown off the boat in like 3 episodes
sage raptor
Wow spoilers
warped warren
is there any addon to notify me when I get dispelled by healer?
🤔
im too stunned to say something
sage raptor
im too stunned to say something
Evidently you're not lololol
indigo barn
im too stunned to say something
Just trinket SMH
full quiver
How do you know when ur sheep gets dispelled
elder wigeon
How do you know when ur sheep gets dispelled
your sheep went from 6 seconds to 4 seconds
wet scarab
Lol sounds like someone is tilted at his healer for not clearing roots
lean burrow
is this new ui?
raw summit
Not quite
undone pumice
this is ui for warriors according to rogues
warped warren
lean burrow
past jolt
is this new ui?
That’s the island where you get to lvl 10
past jolt
Daily reminder if you’re playing retail and not Classic you’re stupid
past jolt
Rise up
warped warren
classic = boomers stuck in the old days
average retail fan 
id say the same about vanilla and tbc. both shit
but wrath 
wild phoenix
Quite a few of my friends wanted to relive the glory days of vanilla when classic released. I however didn't. Retail warrior imo is far better than the classic vanilla one
I thought wrath when icc oepend was the first apex of wow. The entire game was glorious and the road to Arthas was one I personally wanted since the game started
fickle forge
btw, you guys remember those memes "you can pve in arena and get rival"?
Still true
wild phoenix
I've noticed in unrated random bg that almost nobody loots corpses anymore to prevent people from spawning
I've also noticed that a lot of paladins I've ran into have nothing planned if I shatter their bubble. It's glorious watching people flounder because of it
raw summit
I mean it's generally not worth to hoj the shatter
pastel sluice
is the jaithys strength proc nerfed in pvp?
is 311 jaithys worth using over 311 pvp wep?
fickle forge
frank knoll
I figured out the RBG hate in the channnel
You’re all melee and playing melee sux in RBGs unless ur a rogue or something
fickle forge
It's just a circus show
Who can run over the other team harder
No setup, just slap fat numbers
Kind of a joke bracket in terms of competitive skill
fickle forge
If you find the item on WoWhead, then you can check the PvP mod
spice hornet
whats he asying
craggy socket
that rmp hasnt always been S tier
spice hornet
everything xaryu does and says is out of delusion, or he is saying it to draw attention to himself. he is milking any dime he can out of streaming WoW before the game truly dies and nobody cares to watch
craggy socket
100% I mean I would do the same but yeah
pastel sluice
If you find the item on WoWhead, then you can check the PvP mod
how do I check the pvp mod?
nimble jasper
btw, you guys remember those memes "you can pve in arena and get rival"?
because you can
sage raptor
You’re all melee and playing melee sux in RBGs unless ur a rogue or something
Melee is great if you're dk
twilit ridge
I figured out the RBG hate in the channnel
Rbgs are toxic high end
Low end too actually
It's a diff toxicity from arena or pve tho
spice hornet
Nothing worse than trying to start an rbg group and feral Druid’s keep signing up. Like bruhh you have access to guardian and boom and you choose to play feral!!! 
sage raptor
See? Toxicity already
spice hornet
jajajj
wild phoenix
Adding rbg into the queue will be great
The amount of gate keeping to farm conquest is nuts.
I kinda understand wanting a good, or meta comp. But entirely too many people are locked out of raited pvp
fickle forge
You just need bigger numbers than the other team
past jolt
Better one shots
past jolt
everything xaryu does and says is out of delusion, or he is saying it to draw at...
Bro
He has like a thousand subs
What do you think the man is milking
He works really hard and doesn’t even make much
That’s just nasty to say
elder wigeon
Rmp hasn’t always been as idiot proof as it is now that’s for sure
wild phoenix
rmp used to require a decent amount of setup, skill and healthy luck to pull off well. but if i remember correctly its never been a top tier team
i may be and probably am wrong about that tho
elder wigeon
In most expansions it’s been a top comp
lucid walrus
it hasn’t always been as completely obscene as it is now although none of the individual classes in the comp are often bad
nor are they bad for long if they have a rough patch
frank knoll
Bro yeah RBG‘s are a stomp fest but they can be fun at least
Feel like all arena is, Is who can play the most broken comp / spec. It’s great when things are balanced, right now they’re not
frank knoll
Better one shots
That’s arena too tbf
sage raptor
You're all wrong
fickle forge
Feel like all arena is, Is who can play the most broken comp / spec. It’s great ...
So like, every competitive game ever
Except people not playing the most broken stuff still get R1 and a lot that do still sit on 1600
sage raptor
Feel like all arena is, Is who can play the most broken comp / spec. It’s great ...
Right now is probably as balanced as it'll ever be.
If you want more balance than this, that's wishful thinking. Besides, no one wants to play the balanced class/spec. It's boring as fuck.
elder wigeon
Saying right now is as balanced as it’ll ever be is cope there’s been significantly better patches
sage raptor
Saying right now is as balanced as it’ll ever be is cope there’s been significan...
Balance doesn't equal better patches
elder wigeon
I’m using the term synonymously
wild cliff
is kyrian the way now for 2s? or necro still good
frank knoll
What are my euro bros gonna do now that the Nord stream is shutdown
frank knoll
If you want more balance than this, that's wishful thinking. Besides, no one wan...
See I think playing the broken spec is boring af
graceful ginkgo
Playing broken OP is fun obv
graceful ginkgo
And Rogues heal for 30% after dance and vanish
So sap plus poison MS, seems fine
graceful ginkgo
Tbh i hate rogues
frank knoll
Playing broken OP is fun obv
It’s fun for like 30 mins and then gets old
wheat jay
Nah
Playing broken is fun, unless its boring by design like fury
I don't remember anyone complaining that playing broken arms was getting old
elder wigeon
fury is very boring
i wish it was a little more involved than just pure spam
arms isn't like some magical fun spec but I like it a lot
DF arms is pretty fun though I actually enjoy it a lot
frank knoll
Broken arms was pretty fun, unless you’re talking about condem arms in which I’d disagree.
frank knoll
Arms is cool cause you can make plays instead of just pressing w like fury
near delta
DF arms is pretty fun though I actually enjoy it a lot
DF arms feels super fun
simple rock
are people playing on ptr or proper beta?
sage raptor
Beta. Seems everyone is getting it.
wild cliff
Kyrian or Necro for 2s?
frank knoll
Yeah DF arms looks like it has some self sustain which is tight
past jolt
wrath war feels better than df arms ngl
i didnt do that many skirms in beta tbf but that's bc it was kinda dead
elder wigeon
warrior pre cata is very clunky
sage raptor
You're very clunky
graceful ginkgo
Arms is fun for me in DF so far (no pvp done yet tho)
warped warren
warrior pre cata is very clunky
you what now? 
elder wigeon
i love swapping weapons and stances
warped warren
oh no stances macroed into spells is so annoying
elder wigeon
so then why have them if it's that simple
iron basalt
How is arms and fury looking in DF PvP?
amber harness
for ret war, kyrian or necro? fury or arms and haste or crit?
copper hare
How is arms and fury looking in DF PvP?
arms looks good but honestly every spec in the game looks great right now
copper hare
for ret war, kyrian or necro? fury or arms and haste or crit?
you can play anthing, most play necro fury, vers haste every piece, pvp legs, spear is also really good but necro is more bursty and faceroll, specially with ret
unkempt arch
hey guys i'm noob, can you intervene then spell reflect a poly/clone/hex/whatever going on a team mate ?
spice hornet
No
Used to be a talent to make thst possible but they removed it
Yet leave stuff like shadowy duel in the game for some reason
near delta
So there are only tanks left on solo shuffle huh
graceful ginkgo
Guardian and Prot in particular, big fun
past jolt
How is arms and fury looking in DF PvP?
Amazing dude
Arms is looking even better in wrath tho
sage raptor
So there are only tanks left on solo shuffle huh
Once rating is introduced, there will only be a few left sub 1500
frank knoll
So there are only tanks left on solo shuffle huh
Yeah I did some last night, every group was a Prot pallies
The kind of prot pallies that don’t heal you and just do DPS instead
near delta
The kind of prot pallies that don’t heal you and just do DPS instead
Yup. Trying to grind honor on my ww alt and it's pain if you can't setup lol
Does anyone have any df pvp builds they've been theorycrafting? I threw together something on the beta but would like something to compare it to.
undone pumice
The kind of prot pallies that don’t heal you and just do DPS instead
protn't pallies
lean burrow
Does anyone have any df pvp builds they've been theorycrafting? I threw together...
how about this? I call it bold and brash
warped warren
lmao
sage raptor
Does anyone have any df pvp builds they've been theorycrafting? I threw together...
I made a blood build hehe
😈
raw summit
Why are you passing on bitter immunity?
graceful ginkgo
can you dispel intimidating shout?
afaik it's physical, so you cant with a regular dispel
warped warren
yepå
frank knoll
Isn’t there a duel wield option or did they remove that
copper hare
Isn’t there a duel wield option or did they remove that
For fury yes
frank knoll
I thought I saw something where Arms could DW
raw summit
They dropped that
elder wigeon
https://www.wowhead.com/beta/talent-calc/warrior/arms/DAPFVVQVREQVEUpBQRCQEMVVURUVUJVChUBQ fuck spear
https://www.wowhead.com/beta/talent-calc/warrior/arms/DAQFVVQVREQVEUhhEQECQEMVVERUVUBVCpVBR if i have to play spear
thick reef
Is there any updated guides for 9.2.7?
near delta
Thanks yall. I'll try these out
thick reef
hey guys i had a question i was thinking of playing warrior for pvp, but was curious how is warrior when facing a havoc dh?
elder wigeon
arms does better than fury imo but it's not a fun matchup specifically in 2's
definitely winnable but very sweaty
simple rock
perma blur
sharp meteor
mm depends on dh most just blur a reck proc then you kill them shortly after
in general havoc/rdruid is probably hard if they're good but most aren't
spice hornet
Rdruid dh as NL fury
sharp meteor
feels kind of unplayable
past jolt
Rdruid dh as NL fury <:seramore:917663298869145640>
Hmm what’s a dh
Wrath has dks never heard of no dh
spice hornet
Wrath? What’s that?
The expac where pve gear reigned supreme and is now gonna be filled with ppl who have been no lifing warmane for like 8 years ?
past jolt
Warmane dude
That’s just stupid those guys are worse than someone who never played
And pve gear being good is very commonly find
Fine
past jolt
The expac where pve gear reigned supreme and is now gonna be filled with ppl who...
Don’t u dare justify playing retail again qfiend
past jolt
so arms is better for 3s?
better for 3's than 2's
dont get it twisted
it hink furyh is better in both
nimble jasper
dunno
past jolt
don't lie to me, that would be adelight
umbral skiff
Anyone still play misshapen mirror ever or signet better into everything?
elder wigeon
pretty much nobody plays mirror
umbral skiff
Ah sad… I miss overwatch…
lucid walrus
rebound looks really funny
elder wigeon
expensive pvp talent honestly
unless you rebound a damnation or a soul swap
then it's kinda nuts
or something like a chaos bolt
i wonder if it interacts at all with greater pyro, probably not
lucid walrus
surely not
most spells seem to hit for piss damage already when reflected
opportunity cost is tragic
fickle forge
Chaos Bolt seems like the only spell it has value against
Nothing else is guaranteed
elder wigeon
deathbolt
lean burrow
fat void bolts from priests
lucky pyroblast from mage
not dead talent
it will shine in DF
past jolt
Death bolt may do 0 dmg if reflected to someone with no dots right
elder wigeon
no it does the dmg
past jolt
It does the big damage?
fickle forge
The big damage
sharp meteor
ya
sharp meteor
Not many it seems
also keep in mind these sites generally only show what people log out in
thick reef
why only 1 legendary for pvp ?
thick reef
i have torment on ring where should i put unity?
it just says not use to 2 legendary rings xD
near delta
it just says not use to 2 legendary rings xD
2 rings is actually fine lol. Generally people put it on neck, ring, or wrist.
The ilvl of the legendaries didn't scale up so you're better off putting it on pieces with less or no main strength.
thick reef
so legendaries are not 291 ?
near delta
Legendaries are 291 but full duelist pvp gear is 311 ilvl
thick reef
ye its fine cause my pvp is 265 :D
near delta
Lol fair
near delta
No problem
tranquil hemlock
You sir playing 265 war
I salute you
I don’t even want to play my 305 war
Miserable season even for a career duelist like me lol
thick reef
so what is best?xD
tranquil hemlock
I have no idea I just know 265 ilvl you are going to get globaled lol
thick reef
well i guess everyone will be with 265 :D
sharp meteor
265 is like a flea
thick reef
yee
when i charge in in ashran my bladestorm does 80-100 damage per hit
and people have 220-250k hp
sharp meteor
like honor gear is 285
thick reef
no its 265
sharp meteor
it is definitely 285
when fully upgraded
which is like 2k honor
it's like 500 a piece and 265 then you spread upgrades across stuff as you work on conq
fickle forge
Imagine spending the currency you need to upgrade conquest for though
Idk who thought of this system
sharp meteor
it's fine if you assume most people play ranked
but most of them don't and wow players are stubborn so
not sure why pvp can't have gear that scales with rating but w/e that'll be gone soon and the low mmr players go back to the old reliables of blaming spec balance and their teammates
sharp meteor
vene and slaughterhouse are fairly significant
copper hare
what can war do what rogue cant?
die probably
warped warren
misty hawk
Gearing up my warrior from last season. I already have 4 set from s3 and an s4 wep. Should I buy the OH wep or go for new set pieces?
copper hare
Stat wise it's still your biggest upgrade, but instead you can buy 3 other pieces aswell, doesn't really matter since conquest is uncapped, I personally just gambled for vault and it paid off
sharp meteor
it doesn't really matter as gains are uncapped just grab w/e is bigger upgrade at the time
not really worth thinking about if one is 0.2% more in the short term
fickle forge
not sure why pvp can't have gear that scales with rating but w/e that'll be gone...
As it should be
wheat jay
not sure why pvp can't have gear that scales with rating but w/e that'll be gone...
Reminded me of that one dk blaming my class and telling me i was ruining his life
Was kinda accurate cuz it was survi vs dk
But Man i had a good laugh 
full quiver
lol
yeah had a dk rage whispering me my drui dsucked
after we beat him
said he trinketed air, then next game we beat him without either of us using trinkets
wheat jay
said he trinketed air, then next game we beat him without either of us using tri...
Dominated
past jolt
said he trinketed air, then next game we beat him without either of us using tri...
Scooters. You are a GOD
wheat jay
Scooters
sage raptor
Scooters
lucid walrus
scooters
nimble jasper
Was kinda accurate cuz it was survi vs dk
reminds me when i played vs a dk on pirate and he was visibly tilted
as hes not allowed to play his char during abom limb
zenith magnet
Fury/Disc vs DH/Druid or DH/Shaman what advice do you have for this match up?
full quiver
honor farming solo shuffle as mm is os funny
priest trinkets trap first global in opener, just silence 100-0 them
elder wigeon
enduring blow, probably wanna be kyrian
peak hawk
thx
graceful ginkgo
Arms seems still really good, just overshadowed by Fury
copper hare
Arms seems still really good, just overshadowed by Fury
arms is just really tough into wizards right now
fickle forge
Feel like it does okay vs affli meta tbh
lean burrow
Do I need to treat spriest's burst like combustion?
instantly stun/fear and run?
their burst feels really fast
full quiver
Swear fury is so much better into it
copper hare
Compared to fury arms is dogshit into wizard, so painful specially into 20k dps locks
Sure arms is fine and viable right now and I would also rather play arms all the time, but your healer has to put out 2-3k more hps by default just because you play arms right now. At least D stance should have been something like 15% - 15% now and not 10 % reduction and 20% dmg decrease, really doesn't make any sense
graceful ginkgo
d stance should be even, fury is simply op tho, needs slaughterhouse gutted, possibly warpaint looked at
jeah like 15-15 for example
past jolt
Combo of impending victory, battle trans, blood thirst and lots of vers you have some of the best self heals in wow which is crazy considering who we are
Kinda known as the only thing that doesn’t heal
Ignore pain is even accessible, especially during recks and stuff
Without interfering too much offensively
lean burrow
Sure arms is fine and viable right now and I would also rather play arms all the...
one day
15% sounds nice
past jolt
Sure arms is fine and viable right now and I would also rather play arms all the...
I didn’t even know d stance was that bad in PvP I thought it reduced dmg taken by 20% and damage dealt by 30%
From that it sounds like you’re saying it only reduces damage taken by 10% in PvP???
full quiver
Yep
green wyvern
it reduces damage taken by 10% and reduces your damage by 20%
frank knoll
I feel like evoker is going to be a one shot spec, looking at their mastery and abilities
spice hornet
RME needs dat
frank knoll
Rogue Mage Evoker what
near delta
The healer spec looks not great for right now
25 yards range is super scuffed
But its equally problematic in pve so probably gets changed?
sage raptor
I feel like evoker is going to be a one shot spec, looking at their mastery and ...
Yeah it's like clockwork with these new classes yknow?
bright spire
A bit stupid question, but if I make an alt warrior and make it human instead of orc, will it feel different with human racial instead of trinket? afaik I then can't "trinket" blinds and such? Or do they work the same, just different tooltips?
lucid walrus
A bit stupid question, but if I make an alt warrior and make it human instead of...
playing medallion on human is fine but you can’t trinket non-stuns with just the racial
using the racial instead of medallion to trinket a stun puts it on a 90(?) second icd
copper hare
yeah you play relentless trinket
bright spire
I see, I was hoping to play human and take relentless and just play identical as my orc
copper hare
Human racial working on everything was nerfed a long time ago
bright spire
But now I'm having second thoughts if maybe it will feel weird not being able to trinket everything
I only started PvPing seriously in SL. A bit in Legion
tranquil hemlock
Orc is arguably the best race for every class
nimble jasper
Orc is arguably the best race for every class
case can be made for rogue to be nelf
or human if outlaw
and i guess panda spriest
but yeah orc is just gross overall
tranquil hemlock
i meant just overall orc is the obvious choice
personally human model is my favorite
tranquil hemlock
the ease of orc racial use is what makes it obvious for most players
nimble jasper
well yeah
graceful ginkgo
and i guess panda spriest
Curious, why panda? And even over Orc? DF = Orc Priests
nimble jasper
psure even skillcapped said human hunter is better
cuz you generally trinket turtle
nimble jasper
Curious, why panda? And even over Orc? DF = Orc Priests
instant incap into fear
orc might be better in DF but ehh
sage raptor
More variety in orc to kill is never a bad thing
elder wigeon
undead warrior is peak class fantasy
past jolt
i legit thought it reduced dmg taken by 20% and reduced dmg done by 30%
the more ya know i guess
i knew it got nerfed in SL, just figured i'd trust what people were saying
dang, i kinda wish i played bounding stride every game when i was playing retail
fuck dstance
10%?!
elder wigeon
it's pretty bad yeah
sharp meteor
dstance has seen better days
past jolt
what was the progression of nerfs
elder wigeon
LMAO
sharp meteor
also forsaken models are pretty booty now
past jolt
did they do it all in one go
sharp meteor
missin the ol animations
past jolt
or part in one patch part in the other
elder wigeon
-10% dmg done -20% damage taken, then 20/20, now 20/10
sharp meteor
what was the progression of nerfs
just nerfed defensive aspect by half
past jolt
20/20 was no good?
sharp meteor
there were adjustments to it in legion-bfa but for sl it was just cutting the 20% defensive to 10%
elder wigeon
it was pretty OP
sharp meteor
20/20 was no good?
it wsa quite good aas you just sat d and traded evenly most m atchups while being safe
if trading very favorably swap battle and crush
elder wigeon
the problem with d-stance isn't the 10% damage reduction part, it's the -20% to damage done
past jolt
ya i know it's bad design to enable us to sit in the stance while sustaining any means of pressure but
sharp meteor
pov both warrs are scared of leaving dstance
sharp meteor
although honestly outlaw does a similar thing where it stalls games out rly hard
elder wigeon
nah arms doesn't need to be that tanky
elder wigeon
we get a lot of sustain going into DF
past jolt
thats true but i know alot of the remaining arms guys were already playing IV over SB in alot of matchups, but at least u get both now
what other sustain besides iv in df tho
sharp meteor
were they
elder wigeon
pain and gain and fueled by violence
past jolt
i saw merci playing it in most games
elder wigeon
bitter immunity as well
sharp meteor
i feel like most comps where u might play it u would be better as fury
like kitty or outlaw
past jolt
i bet Pain and Gain will carry the aura nerf condesenced anima sphere had since it's a c+p
sharp meteor
idk turb fries me i need to try another comp some day
past jolt
hopefully not
elder wigeon
meta is fried it's all melee cleaves and wizard cleaves
past jolt
at least this is a good szn for u guys to get titles if u can find partners
elder wigeon
kek
elder wigeon
I'm just collecting my glad later in the season while I play valorant in the meantime
sharp meteor
my partners took a break so they get my shitpick race warrior instead of orc
past jolt
i think if you just play when that artifical mmr inflation hpapens towards the end of the szn u can hit a super high rating, at least relativily
cause not many are playing i think
wrath will come out
elder wigeon
everyone is playing wrath or another game right now
elder wigeon
season is extremely dead unironically
sharp meteor
unless df gets mega postponed (doubtful)
watch them give 2 week notice a wek after wrath out
elder wigeon
nah they want DF out bad
elder wigeon
rightfully so
past jolt
i loved my dwarf tried the alliance again but even pugging with them in pre-patch made me go back to horde
very sad
elder wigeon
DF looks to be problematic in the same way every expac after mop/wod is, where all that matters is CDS and you're a wet noodle without it
past jolt
people are like gettin full brutal gladiator sets and im like why, what are u expecting to do with that set on this 99.99-0.1% pvp server lmao
i should honor cap or try to get close but it's a drag with low gear
lucid walrus
pain and gain and fueled by violence
this makes me wonder if deep wounds is consumed by fracture
if so does it count toward fbv’s healing?
past jolt
fueled by violence is a conduit in sl it heals for notihn
minor vector
if so does it count toward fbv’s healing?
Yes to both
lucid walrus
Yes to both
swag i was just abt to dm u about that honestly
elder wigeon
fueled by violence is a conduit in sl it heals for notihn
it's 50% in DF and deep wounds can/will do more damage from talents
but yes it's not a ton of healing
if you have deep wounds on multiple targets with the proper talents it'll be better than battle trance in terms of healing
past jolt
nice
clear sparrow
best class to play with fury? my friend plays fury and im tryna do 2s with him
elder wigeon
all 3
clear sparrow
maybe
nimble jasper
mending bandage/steel trap can cuck other melee pretty hard
full quiver
Survival became best in 3s after those dam buffs
full quiver
Yah
Little less burst and more sustain than kyrian
But tankier
It's just kinda annoying explosive shot can break cc
So you get hit with it you can position on healer to blast trap lol
full quiver
Yeah idk I'm not good enough at MM yet to decisively say lol
It's definitely easier to get dam off while being trained as survival
undone peak
any changes for fury season 4 ?
elder wigeon
crushing blow got nerfed and conq banner got nerfed, that's about it unfortunately
past jolt
best class to play with fury? my friend plays fury and im tryna do 2s with him
Can play with a prot pala in 2’s tons of sustain
past jolt
crushing blow got nerfed and conq banner got nerfed, that's about it unfortunate...
I didn’t see the CB nerd
Nerf
When was that and what did it change
past jolt
Oh dunno why I don’t remember that
They still rolled everyone by the time I stopped 2 weeks ago
Probs 3 weeks ago
Only way I know how long it’s been is the number of vaults I’ve missed… that’s always been something im ocd aboit
undone peak
but still good for arenas? idk if i go fury war or ww monk this season
i played fury 2s, 3s a lot last season
and it is pretty fun
i dont like rangeds, they are boring
past jolt
Make sure you have like full gear as high as you can get it before making any judgements on how it feels khawzz
undone peak
Make sure you have like full gear as high as you can get it before making any ju...
yup
i see that ww monk has more tools
but fury is fun
go brrr
past jolt
I’d play monk in 2’s fury in 3’s that’s just me
undone peak
i played rogue s1 but it is so boring too
it is like, burst
dont killed ?
vanish reset
meh
karmic stone
What’s the better spec on average for PvP. trying warrior out tonight with my friend.
elder wigeon
fury
sharp meteor
fury
full quiver
Outlaw
full quiver
Hahaha
past jolt
What’s the better spec on average for PvP. trying warrior out tonight with my fr...
Furry
nimble jasper
vanish reset
this is how monk plays too
except replace vanish with port
monks afk borderline when they dont have sweep bonedust
nimble jasper
you dont use sef outside of goes
and you dont stay in when other team has damage thats just a net loss of cds
if you actually think ww stays in you have very little exp playing monk
sharp meteor
ww that ain't running when fists is off cd is either trading super favorably somehow or a global away from death
undone peak
i dont think so
nimble jasper
ww literally cant live sustained dps
outlaw stays in cuz thats the design of the spec
sub prob can but why bother when you dont do much damage outside stun drs
also running you can bait someone into a bad position
round pumice
sup
vital prism
so i just got 1shot by a feral in arena, is that normal? didnt even last a second.
elder wigeon
kick the convoke
elder wigeon
convoke is why you got bit twice
vital prism
was literaly under 1 second, didnt have time to react
elder wigeon
read the convoke tooltip
vital prism
ahhh
open glacier
I've seen a surv hunter with dual raznal weapons (bleed proc fist wep), is that a thing in PvP?
fickle forge
monks afk borderline when they dont have sweep bonedust
Some of the deepest damp I have in 2s is vs WW perma kiting every minute
graceful ginkgo
monks probably hate that gameplay as well
whole whale
Is a 311 gavel better than a 311 pvp weapon with vers?
copper hare
Basically yeah, but also depends on what buff you get sometimes. If you get the bleed it's literally disgusting pressure for example
whole whale
Ty for the info 🙂
raw summit
Until u get nl buff
past jolt
heroic and mythic gavel seem decent yeah
everything is madly nerfed in pvp tho
like 60%
sharp meteor
everything is madly nerfed in pvp tho
bigly dam during go can force extra buttons or nab a kill
copper hare
everything is madly nerfed in pvp tho
no it's not, pls stop making shit up
pve weapons, specially the agility ones are broken as fuck right now.
past jolt
no it's not, pls stop making shit up
It’s 60% nerfed in PvP
sharp meteor
psure gavel dot got nerfed by like half or something but it can still do like 150k
which is unreal during limb/conq or w/e
copper hare
yeah they aren't nerfed. And if there was even a blue post with "60% nerf" to these weapons they haven't applied shit, one veinripper alone does 7-8% alone for rogues and dh
copper hare
Think before you speak
says the guy who doesn't even play the game and thinks his opinion has more value than anyone in this discord, you're just a bad headache
sharp meteor
could've sworn there was a 50% gavel nerf somewhere in s3
only saw it in like 2-3 games but didn't queue very high
past jolt
copper hare
there could have been a bluepost sure, but then they fucked something up. faced a dk a couple times which gavel did like 200-300k, depending on his buff.
past jolt
PvP multiplier = 0.4
sharp meteor
oh 60 interesting
raw summit
That shit hits for like 45k in pve
past jolt
raw summit
And the armor is obsurd
past jolt
PvP multiplier 0.5
0.5
Plz no more I don’t like looking at Annie fuscia
On my phone no less
past jolt
i was talking about the gavel..this is the wrarior channel
dude apologize or i just am gonna think ur an asshole
past jolt
it's nerfed by 50%
are u desperately trying to figure out a way to not apologize
@copper hare please apologize to me
warped warren
cringe
past jolt
craggy socket
anyone got any beta warrior talents they are running
craggy socket
Warrior is just perma slowed, kited, and CC'd on beta
Everyone has so much shit now
graceful ginkgo
Really? I thought it would be the opposite with double time and short leap cd
craggy socket
Perhaps my build is just bad but idk
graceful ginkgo
Try Ret War or Turbo with HPal
full quiver
You have double time, stormbolt, leap, and 8s spear
graceful ginkgo
Should have no trouble
full quiver
Wtf r u doing lol
craggy socket
im dueling
past jolt
10 am : try ret warr or turbo..specifically with a pally
man doesnt know how dead beta is clearly
graceful ginkgo
It‘s 4 pm
craggy socket
Yeah its pretty dead ya
spice hornet
Don’t think that matters
Account age is probably the biggest factor
I was banned/silenced multiple times since last year and I got it pretty early. This account has been active since end of wrath. Rip to my original account banned for fish botting in wintergrasp when I was like 12
craggy socket
Solo Q
sharp meteor
u queue solo then it shuffles the teams like what the
little lava
is 311 gavel better than 311 vers mastery pvp weapon?
paper oracle
hit things and let us know
copper hare
is 311 gavel better than 311 vers mastery pvp weapon?
whats your guess
and thats not even the best buff
little lava
sometimes the soul is not even spawning
🙂
im not talking when u are disarmed
just regular usage of gavel
whole whale
Hey guys, is there any chance to track if a holy priest is running the ress legendary?
in the arena of course ^^
nimble jasper
theres a buff
lucid walrus
WA too
lean burrow
weakaura seems to have a delay like 3 seconds after priest dies
elder wigeon
idk what one you're using
nimble jasper
i just make sure he cant heal anyone after he dies
if hes playing rez and gets no healing done during it man comes back with like 1% hp
lean burrow
idk what one you're using
what's a good weakaura for that?
I got some that says "PRIEST NOT DEAD" but I can't find it on wago now and it has a delay ingame
elder wigeon
literally just checks enemies for the buff and gives me a timer
copper hare
I got some that says "PRIEST NOT DEAD" but I can't find it on wago now and it ha...
wait, I log and send you one
@lean burrow @whole whale https://pastebin.com/QsUiDAuN
copper hare
doesn't work
lucid walrus
I got some that says "PRIEST NOT DEAD" but I can't find it on wago now and it ha...
think that one has a delay bc it waits for them to get a stack or 2 idk
past jolt
is 311 gavel better than 311 vers mastery pvp weapon?
the effects are all nerfed by half in pvp
id stick with the tried and true
well, ppl used to use the gavel in s1 b4 nerf and i heard dks do well with it
lucid walrus
s1?
past jolt
uhh whatever season i linked the hotfix for
may 27 2022
thats when it was reported but i heard it was used in s1
lucid walrus
it wasn't out in s1 what
lucid walrus
probably then
past jolt
i low key forgot how long s3 was
it only came out last szn but its been aminute since they released sofo
sage raptor
It felt long because people were tired of the game
past jolt
i swear that's a pretty lengthy season either way but ya that aided to the feelings
lucid walrus
7 months is pretty long compared to like legion
radiant saffron
I'm curious if anyone else have had trouble with the reliability of spear of bastion in arenas. The tether has become an object of frustration and I have found it to be very unreliable.. I've seen players able to flat out walk out of it (I'm not refering to immunities, death advance, cloak, gfade etc). I've witnessed nightfae able to reliably blink out of it after being tethered.. I've even tested it myself.. The tether mechanic feels really hit or miss.. Has anyone else had these issues?
indigo barn
When it's yanking you back in, if you use some form of enhanced mobility like a teleport or charge, it 'disables' the tether
It's just a code thing
radiant saffron
That sounds about right.. So does this make spear a reliable choice in high rated arena? because I've found this to be not Uncommon
sharp meteor
I'm curious if anyone else have had trouble with the reliability of spear of bas...
Vortex Drs it.
Also any blink can work.
The pull has a short CD and if you blink during it then it'll break.
Basically you stun somebody, make sure they're slowed, ideally piercing, then spear and then they generally can't easily trigger the pull then blink in a short period of time.
sharp meteor
That sounds about right.. So does this make spear a reliable choice in high rate...
Viable to #1 on ladder.
Oh, and gate rips it off. Peaceweaver as well.
craggy socket
Just hit max on my warr on classic is there anything I should do for gear? outside of spamming bgs for leveling.
lucid walrus
if by leveling you mean gearing then not really other than grabbing whatever prepatch goodies you want before they're gone
past jolt
can't get duelist in 2s <:sadge:820202363359854633>
go for wrath
it makes it so you own them
with a ability called ovapowa
lean burrow
leveling for 2 weeks
and then gearing 2 weeks
and then not knowing what skills everyone has in wrath
lucid walrus
fragging fresh 70s in AV while only half-geared does feel pretty good but the pre-wrath grind is agony
lean burrow
oh god no
warped warren
lucid walrus
i played into 2 bdks back to back earlier
glad rextroy is encouraging toxic fotm comps
proven maple
What rating. I’ve been camped just short of 2.1 and playing almost all outlaw rogues….
lucid walrus
What rating. I’ve been camped just short of 2.1 and playing almost all outlaw ro...
me? around the same, been dragging buddies' gutter mmr healers up kicking and screaming
i think two nights ago it was a lot of weird shit like destro with port gate leggo
proven maple
Played a destro 3 times earlier in the night. Dropped one game to him. Pillared and still got hit by a bolt. Definitely not as difficult as the other two specs
Fuckin rextroy that shit looks like it works. And yet I don’t want to learn to play it >>
sage raptor
Hell yeah, love the prot love.
lucid walrus
the more i read his breakdown of why it works, the more i dread seeing it
sage raptor
It's 2s so who cares really
lucid walrus
fair enough
sage raptor
So late in the season, idk if it'll get nerfed either.
Pretty sure it's all hands on deck for DF
proven maple
If they haven’t touched outlaw they won’t touch this
graceful ginkgo
isnt prot warr becoming stronger in df? 😅
raw summit
Yea but im assuming it stays a pve thing
raw summit
Hoping rather
graceful ginkgo
but with blizz tuning you never know
raw summit
Fuck tanks in arenas
graceful ginkgo
100%
indigo barn
Prot warrior on beta can hit 200-300k slams at 60
So week 1 is gonna be mega scuffed
graceful ginkgo
jeah, i can already see some specs being busted af cus blizz overlooks something
graceful ginkgo
Is Massacre 25% instead of 35% in beta?
elder wigeon
it's 35% currently
sharp meteor
oh god no
tried some necro prot in shuffle and it hits really hard
can actually extend conq forever
graceful ginkgo
And the virus spreads
fickle forge
We must use protection to prevent it
lean burrow
steep inlet
told ya prot war is insane in s3
some laughed
i played it a lot in 2s too
was very cool
sharp meteor
some laughed
I just thought it'd be kind of dog into wizards.
maybe Unh offsets that.
steep inlet
yep
steep inlet
How are S4 Qs coming along Troma?
my mates all stopped
since months
they wait for DF
i do some shit tests in LFG meanwhile
and play my wotlk arms to pass time
this suck
fickle forge
i do some shit tests in LFG meanwhile
I'd offer my enh sham, but it's piss geared
near delta
I'd offer my enh sham, but it's piss geared
Imagine not having conquest boxes in this shitty compressed season after uncapping conq hella early lol
cinder thorn
Hi guys, I am doing well 1v1 with my warrior but in battlegrounds I'm finding it difficult to judge when to engage and when to hold back
Anyone know of a good guide for battleground tactics that includes advice for such things?
I find that if there is a ranged blob vs another ranged blob even in warsong gulch for example the moment I charge in I get focused and die easily, so it's only safe to go in when other melee go in
If I wait too long I feel useless because I'm not contributing much
Any good guides or videos for the above?
Maybe some good warrior playing RBGS
spice hornet
Don’t charge into big groups unless you have a pocket healer
Doubt you’re gonna find much advice or guides on that lol do what feels right.
copper hare
man signet could have been insane if it would proc of ravager
raw summit
It does iirc
sharp meteor
oh lawdy baseline 15% relent
fickle forge
Orc nerf?
sharp meteor
ya orcs get out of stuns slightly quicker
but human gnome etc a lot more appealing now imo
near delta
That's actually really cool
"We are discussing some other options for future patches to further address the concern of crowd control, one being adjusting the PvP duration on individual abilities that many have not been changed for years."
sharp meteor
honestly shorter but more types of cc might b chill
copper hare
Orc nerf?
pog finally male panda again
Apparently kidney shot is nerfed aswell by 1 sec
elder wigeon
past jolt
it is true eand yes it does nullify races for most part, perhaps a slight edge to humans in some matches
perhaps making undead and dwarves stronger
gnomes will be very strong for warrior now
and i guess we will all be gnomes
past jolt
i sucked it up and went human
despite being. sick of it
tho i think orc is 10x better i just like ally
sage raptor
If I see a gnome prot warr I'm gonna riot
Fuckin gnomes lol
They're goofy I'll give them that
near delta
Dwarf and dark iron dwarf might be pretty good too for the extra cleanse
elder wigeon
dwarf or darkiron would be nuts as a defensive option, gnome probably ending up being the best though
aesthetically speaking undead is bis but man having gnome racial with rele is nuts
sage raptor
It do be nice getting out of roots >.>
lean burrow
are they gonna give 15% rele on medallion in slands?
lucid walrus
scroll up like 10 lines
lean burrow
what am I supposed to find there
lean burrow
waiting for DF to stop playing orc
lucid walrus
this is a pretty zzzzz season as-is
upper sage
I wish orc's hardiness wasn't made completely redundant
lucid walrus
i'd hope it's a WIP change and they just go along similar lines
deleting the racial from the game kinda sucks but it's a step in the right direction bc of how much cc is coming back
sage raptor
I wish orc's hardiness wasn't made completely redundant
Why?
Everyone and their mother was playing it lol
near delta
Also, this will ensure literally no one ever uses pve trinkets in arena without paying for it which is nice
past jolt
Also, this will ensure literally no one ever uses pve trinkets in arena without ...
Wdym
This makes it so you can’t even wear a pve trinket
Even more so than now which u don’t
Maybe I misread
near delta
Yeah that's what I'm saying
There was the whole thing last season (mostly in awc) where people were using IQD as a trinket human racial
past jolt
Oh I see
Yeah
Maybe there will be fewer exceptions but they achieved the goal of PvP trinkets only outside iqd which basically was game breaking bc it broke cc ofc
Nutty they kept it as is Lmaoooo
In organized play like awc obviously it’s even more powerful
Good job deepak, you’re thinking critically abc critical thinkers are extremely important
thick reef
Is fury or Arms better in pvp atm ?
graceful ginkgo
15% rele is nice, Orcs not being dominant is nice as well
gnome probably best for alliance warrior then, maybe UD on horde?
the change might buff classes that dont have access to orc
like DH
rancid nymph
Aint human still better on Alliance side?
rancid nymph
Will to survive is still better then escape artist or am I missing something?
copper hare
It's either night elf or gnome probably, both are nice. You could also play double dps trinket and human into stun comps but I'd rather have meld or root break
round yoke
anyway orc seems like a big poo
proven maple
Haters of retail orcs should probably just stop and explain retail outlaw rogues
fickle forge
Hating orc is justified
proven maple
Also if your biggest strength is not sitting a 7 second kidney. Maybe a 7 second kidney shouldn’t exist. Shrug
copper hare
I mean it was about time.. People now can finally play whatever race they want without being at a big disadvantage.
rancid nymph
Yeah orc been OP since forever
copper hare
Also if your biggest strength is not sitting a 7 second kidney. Maybe a 7 second...
It isn't anymore, it's 5 seconds now always with pvp trinkets in DF
proven maple
Or 7 second kidneys are egregious. God forbid someone. Might get to hit a button
proven maple
But DF isn’t live. And actual reasons orc Is good. Mostly has to do with counter play to RM
fickle forge
Literally who is playing RM rn
proven maple
I mean. RMP. Plenty of the ladder.
Unless we’re ignoring all of retail as stupid trash
copper hare
Idk what else you want, they nerfed orc AND rogue in DF. I personally don't think even think kidney was the biggest problem in rmp
dragons breath at a 18 sec cooldown is probably the most toxic ability in this game.
fickle forge
7 sec Kidney was definitely a problem
copper hare
Yeah, he refered to rmp and rmp usually used sub rogue anyway, unless it's like whazz
fickle forge
It's still an issue in RMP
copper hare
I don't think we have to talk about outlaw in general right now, this season is for sure one to forget
fickle forge
DB is w/e, annoying to get past the peel but sitting a 10 sec combined stun every DR is just control that's out of this world
rancid nymph
So far the top warrior players are either orc, human or nelf on pvpleaderboards.com
With Orc gone it's either nelf or human that's best
RIP Horde warriors
Way more humans then nelfs as well
fickle forge
For 3s warrs
copper hare
So anyways, even with deeper strategem kidney is now max 6 seconds, which means 5 seconds with the new pvp bonus. 2 seconds off for most classes will be huge.
rancid nymph
I'm Orc warrior main and kinda scared (the change is justified tho we had best Pvp racials since vanilla)
So guess I'll make human now?
copper hare
male panda obviously!
fickle forge
Who knows, don't think orc is thrash
Bit extra stun reduction and still primary stat buff
rancid nymph
Without hardiness orc has no real pvp racial
Stun reduction won't stack with trinket
fickle forge
You have a free badge
rancid nymph
No it's passive pvp set bonus
That everyone gets regardless of chosen pvp trinkets
And it don't stack therefore orc racial hardiness will be useless
fickle forge
You still get a free badge and slightly better stun reduction
Don't think it's garbage
rancid nymph
No free badge and no extra stun reduction Kargish lol read
rancid nymph
fickle forge
No free badge and no extra stun reduction Kargish lol read
You literally do lol
copper hare
idk if stays like that, but 1k primary stat and 3k stamina holy fuck
thats literally 50k hp
fickle forge
Idc what the trinket stacks with or not, highest value overrules
rancid nymph
5% be enough to make a difference? Unlikely, rather have extra trinket.
But what made you say free badge?
fickle forge
You don't know what badge is?
Activateable trinket that gives you primary stat
Idr the name, Bloodfury or w/e for orc racial
rancid nymph
I knew but not that you meant the racial functioning as a badge
fickle forge
They work the same
rancid nymph
You see how I got confused tho right ;p
fickle forge
Yah I get ya
copper hare
Dragons breath on beta is 45 sec, didn't they revert it back to 20 sec a couple weeks ago?
I'm confused
raw summit
There's a cdr node
sly furnace
Wtf happend to s4 pvp weapon illusion?:/
fickle forge
What illusion?
sly furnace
The cosmic flow
fickle forge
Dwarf is already good rn as a caster
sage raptor
gnome probably best for alliance warrior then, maybe UD on horde?
Probably not since warriors already have a fear out.
sage raptor
Goblin for the mobility
I stg I better not see a bunch of gnomes and goblins lol
That'd be hilarious tbh
graceful ginkgo
are snares/roots becoming more prominent in df, tho?
sage raptor
Yeah