first kidney
#pvp
frank knoll
Cause everyone is scared of sub
robust hearth
Nah I've seen a good rogue manage to get past a BM hunter tht was on flag idk how exactly he did it he would blind 1 pet shadow duel the hunter get put of shadow duel and shadow dance sap the other pet and cap
frank knoll
After watching 1 shot comps
nimble jasper
sub is fine wdym
full quiver
playing chery whatever
nimble jasper
i hit a bear druid
nimble jasper
for a 60k evis
full quiver
trying to base sit as survival
robust hearth
I can't wait for solo que tho
frank knoll
Yeah isn’t evis shadow dmg
nimble jasper
and just waiting for wall to drop
to go
half of it is
its a second weaker hit in shadow dam
frank knoll
Sub with blades used to one shot ppl through wall
nimble jasper
psure it has a fucky modifier with finality
yeah week 1 of sl
people are slow to adapt
idk
frank knoll
“Weedtyler” is this guy 14 years old or what
lucid walrus
kalvish is like 16
full quiver
Kargish is 14
nimble jasper
kalvish is like 16
nick was like 16 too
its just less obvious cuz his balls dropped
obsidian loom
i feel like lfg disc mains have brain damage
jesus h
they want to stand in the open and cast penance or holy fire
completely fried
i just want a static rsham in my life
wheat crane
they want to stand in the open and cast penance or holy fire
This shit kills me in shuffle
Dudes will literally stand dead center and spam smite n shit
Then get pissed when they get mauled
sharp meteor
gg go next instant queue 900 honor for 4 mins of 50-50ing
healer shuffle is like the honor cheat code
obsidian loom
Then get pissed when they get mauled
the worst part is they have very strong opinions on who i should dps
bc they want to tunnel
forget to heal
ask why i have no wall
?????????
spice hornet
joined this one shuffle on main DPS last week, got a rival 2 healer very geared farming as well, our 3rd had like no gear and the healer just says "yeah im not healing you" and ran in and let him die every game. guy won 0 rounds
to punish him
for not having gear
kekw
lucid walrus
p sure
spice hornet
how did lord magnus climb the 2s ladder to #1 despite the disgusting sweaty rogues/ferals/hunters
elder wigeon
mag and dno are insane together that's how
fickle forge
how did lord magnus climb the 2s ladder to #1 despite the disgusting sweaty rogu...
Lord Dino
spice hornet
finally double tap fixed
vernal plank
i can live with that
affy a bit tilting to be fair
we probably just play wrong into it
forest lintel
im seeing some sites that list the pulverizer as the better conquest weapon for fury, is that correct?
used to be weapon speed/damage was #1 on weapons and the pulverizer has less top dmg, is due to the versatility?
ancient sonnet
It's because the mace has mastery on it where as the sword has crit
thick reef
LMAO
sorry late reponse been at cottage with no wifi but yeah Bruin came down to sewers 1 time and tried to gank me while I was tabbed out
high sparrow
2v2 hero
past jolt
Some ppl like 2’s
undone pumice
he gamin
drowsy star
Retwarr or turbo? Playing with rdruid. What would you guys prefer in current meta. Around 1900cr aiming 2.2-2.4
rough spruce
what build are prots using, i just got one shotted by a prot warr in arena on my low geared DH by a 45k shield slam 15k charge and 15k execute 😄
drowsy star
both good, turbo prob better into wizards
So turbo better vs castercleaves and probably rmp and then retwarr better vs other stuff or? Prettymuch what it looks like on luduslabs
spice hornet
what build are prots using, i just got one shotted by a prot warr in arena on my...
Ask @elfin surge
elfin surge
Ask <@269709440146604032>
i dont like this meme
raw summit
its not a meme, be proud of ur class man
spice hornet
Lol in s3 I was qing fury/ww and we kept fighting arms/prot warr/hpal
Nothing was killable
full quiver
lol
raw summit
elfin surge
u think full mastery kyrian arms good?
no
full quiver
😆
frigid bear
How's this NF Arms 1shot work then?
spice hornet
u think full mastery kyrian arms good?
Mud hates arms lol he’s a prot main
spice hornet
How's this NF Arms 1shot work then?
I don’t think I’ve even seen the arms version of NF meme build
Usually they’re fury and the stack death wish in the starting room
frigid bear
Fair enough. We're playing Arms turbo and the healer asked are we playing the NF 1shot
So wondered what this cheez was
full quiver
why would you play turbo
if you wanted to do a NF one shot build
lol
Surprised no one has mentioned sub rogue. Requires a lot of finesse to play it well. Fast burst windows that can fall apart easily if you make a mistake, and no damage outside of those windows. The burst rotations have to be super tight with 0 delay between GCDs, since the stun locks need to be back to back to prevent defensive CDs. Also often involves keeping a healer CC’d while bursting. My main opener uses 8 abilities, most of which are between the 1st and 3rd GCDs, which means a lot of buttons between globals and a lot of macros. I have 16 macros keybound and use about 10-12 of them in every arena. It’s kind of the opposite of a ret pally or warrior or demon hunter where you can pop your main CDs and then just push out phat damage by spamming damage abilities, and if your GCDs aren’t perfectly chained it’s usually no biggie. With sub, it’s more about multiple go’s; getting trinkets and defensive cooldowns on the first or second go, and coming back later for the kill.
obsidian loom
Surprised no one has mentioned affliction lock. Requires a lot of finesse to play it well. Fast burst windows that can fall apart easily if you make a mistake, and no damage outside of those windows. The burst rotations have to be super tight with 0 delay between GCDs, since the stun locks need to be back to back to prevent defensive CDs. Also often involves keeping a healer CC’d while bursting. My main opener uses 8 abilities, most of which are between the 1st and 3rd GCDs, which means a lot of buttons between globals and a lot of macros. I have 16 macros keybound and use about 10-12 of them in every arena. It’s kind of the opposite of a ret pally or warrior or demon hunter where you can pop your main CDs and then just push out phat damage by spamming damage abilities, and if your GCDs aren’t perfectly chained it’s usually no biggie. With aff, it’s more about multiple go’s; getting trinkets and defensive cooldowns on the first or second go, and coming back later for the kill.
paper oracle
Surprised no one has mentioned sub rogue. Requires a lot of finesse to play it w...
i wanna see this guys take on Orc racial 
full quiver
think of how much value we'll get out of orc racial next expansion
with the stuns being 12s
🙂
past jolt
How's this NF Arms 1shot work then?
NF will always hit harder as fury
Extra str from titans + Avatar from proc + enrage > csmash + avatar + deep wounds
Which is strange
You’d think arms would be king of modifiers
I have the max ilvl PvP gear and against geared players nf hits for 29-30k crits at most on arms, fury can go to 40
Also mastery from Niya is conq banner levels of mastery
lean burrow
with the stuns being 12s
Blizzard: "fixed a rare case of rogues not winning against orc enemies - Hardiness racial effect is reduced by 99% in instanced pvp content."
past jolt
That hurts rogues too tho
lean burrow
Blizzard: "New passive effect for rogues: Rat Hardiness - reduce incoming loss of control effects by 30%"
past jolt
Blizzard: “Fury mobility with reckless abandon and the 4 piece tier set has been much higher than we’d like. Crushing Blow now causes the warrior to be knocked up in the air briefly after reconnecting to a target with Crushing Blow”
lean burrow
"Crushing Blow now costs 15% of max hp to use"
"Using Rampage under the effect of Recklessness now reduces caster's game time by 1 hour"
wheat jay
Blizzard: “Fury mobility with reckless abandon and the 4 piece tier set has been...
Crushing blow now pushes you away from the target
nimble jasper
current fury warrior is actually the most braindead spec
wheat jay
its literally bm hunter but melee
I dare to say its even dumber
Cuz you at least need to land some cc as bm
past jolt
One month later “Fixed an issues where Dwarf and Dark Iron Dwarf Fury Warriors would experience a large vertical burst of momentum after dispelling flame shock against a Shaman using the Control is Lava PvP talent with their racial abilities and using Crushing Blow to reconnect to their target at the same time. This sometimes allowed these players to get to areas of the arena that are normally unreachable.
full quiver
lol
full quiver
i know i posted the screen shot a long time ago
but you can get to unreachable areas as DH
with rain from above
past jolt
This is after the first change
nimble jasper
good
fury should be removed
fury is same issue as sin rogue
braindead monkey train 1 person specs
past jolt
I think is funny how u lose pressure 90% of the time you try to cleave rampage with whirlwind bc it’s just better to tunnel
wheat jay
Love how everyone wanted fury to be good
Fury becomes good
Everyone hates fury again
nimble jasper
i’ve never wanted fury to be good
past jolt
I don’t think anyone wanted slaughter house
wheat jay
Y'all should be more careful about what you wish for
Dude people here were crying because it's got nerfed
past jolt
They probably wanted like odyns fury from legion to be the niche viable
wheat jay
Before it even came out
past jolt
Burst spec it was
nimble jasper
I think is funny how u lose pressure 90% of the time you try to cleave rampage w...
laughs in outlaw rogue
past jolt
Slaughter house is silly high reduction and incentivized hard tunneling along with other talents like frenzy
past jolt
Well it’s not a big deal their cleave is not why they’re good
I’d laugh in ww if I though blade flurry was a big deal
past jolt
It’s funny that they can do nice cleave tho on top of their other stuff
past jolt
The endless bag of tricks they have
past jolt
I feel like with a spec like outlaw, it needs to do no dmg to be the way it is rn utility wise
And be fair
wheat jay
Every spec is shit when it doesnt do damage
past jolt
Laughs in spriest
nimble jasper
anyone who complains spriest doesnt do dam is on severe copium
past jolt
No, it wasn’t fine if you don’t look at it as a 2nd healer
You needed to have a big dick assa rogue
nimble jasper
kawhi playing outlaw sp
wheat jay
Sp was doing big dam always
wheat jay
It just required more than zug zug smashing your forehead on keyboard to work
past jolt
No, spriest dmg isn’t hard to accomplish at all
nimble jasper
spriest is one of those specs where skill of the player behind it
past jolt
It’s the easiest
nimble jasper
is really apparent
nimble jasper
alot of spriests dont know how to play the support role
that made it good
and most couldnt burst
thats why they all queued splay
wheat jay
Its the same with fire mage, fire mages are top dmg if theyre good
nimble jasper
do rando pve dam
and eventually someone dies in damp
good spriests knew how to do damage where it mattered
not just pad details with random dots
past jolt
Fire mages are top dmg if they play like f words and reset the game until they win
They’re the only ones who get to play the game rogues stun locking the guy
Everyone else is in cc
wheat jay
I don't mean during combust
nimble jasper
why would you not
wheat jay
But also outside of it
nimble jasper
reset
past jolt
Yeah overall
nimble jasper
as rogue mage
wheat jay
Ye but if they can't
past jolt
They always can
wheat jay
Not rly
nimble jasper
fuck you think this is pve?
wheat jay
You can prevent it
nimble jasper
what
wheat jay
What
nimble jasper
so i guess
past jolt
Turbo used to be lame too
nimble jasper
all pro players
wheat jay
I don't like it myself, but that's win condition for many classes
nimble jasper
are lame
past jolt
When lust was meta
nimble jasper
tell me you only play rat mmr
past jolt
Nah turbo doesn’t do that anymore
nimble jasper
without directly saying it
nimble jasper
turbo is pretty damp when enh is effectively a second healer
wheat jay
You win on pressure by eventually winning when damp is too high for enemy to outheal your consistent dmg
past jolt
Every pro player on my btag has made a status being angry aboit hit and run meta
So idk how this is a low mmr take
wheat jay
But it is a valid strategy
past jolt
It can be great
nimble jasper
can argue current rmp iteration is an abomination since they can out damp other teams
what kind of fuckery
is rmp damping other comps
?????
past jolt
“every pro player”
Ye
nimble jasper
gonna pretend i know who poison or nebse are
its also a byproduct of the game being in a state
of classes hitting like nuclear bombs during cds
and pool noodles without
past jolt
Ok
lucid walrus
Running until you have ur cds
idk what this even means 💀
past jolt
Cause ur a fury warrior
wheat jay
Rmp was the Comp on a timer
lucid walrus
only applies to RM really
wheat jay
Fury does it better tho
lucid walrus
don’t think dk runs too well
wheat jay
Who, dh?
past jolt
Dh dk rsham
nimble jasper
in abom limb
any dk that facetanks other melee cds
when they dont have limb going themselves
is bad
wheat jay
Thing is, they have cooldowns strong enough to destroy people if they dont have trinket
And dk melts to physical dmg
past jolt
ok so u first argued my take was “ rat” ( I feel like only 2k ppl use this term bc they lfg and get angry)
Meanwhile
You’re the rat
Who thinks dh is a w class???
wheat jay
Me
nimble jasper
running has always been in the game
wheat jay
Dh is a w class
lucid walrus
dh is absolutely a W class
past jolt
Ok what is ur point dude
wheat jay
Especially with how your dmg profile looks like
lucid walrus
sometimes you make like the xbox 360 and turn away
past jolt
I still think it’s very very lame to do it
You can be effective and lame
Prot comps in legion
Lame
nimble jasper
and hence why they use their mobility
to run
when taking the dick
monk’s profile is even more run than dh
wheat jay
Not a single class runs more than monk
past jolt
Monks lame but they’re still easy to kill
wheat jay
Not rly easy to kill if theyre good
past jolt
Also dh and dk don’t run, they just sit at a pillar
wheat jay
Dh just presses w
wheat jay
And does cleave dmg to everything around
lucid walrus
Also dh and dk don’t run, they just sit at a pillar
weren’t you equating the two a minute ago
past jolt
weren’t you equating the two a minute ago
Wdym
wheat jay
trill is the only consistently floor pov ww
Kekw
past jolt
I’m clarifying for ppl taking it literally
nimble jasper
running has been how ww has always played
lucid walrus
kk
past jolt
They reset by sitting begging a box
nimble jasper
its how you can spot bad monks
past jolt
Fwiw there’s nothing wrong with resetting or running away from dark soul, it’s when the comp is centered around only existing during burst cds and stun drs and not being squishy at all@
There’s a problem
Rmp
nimble jasper
dks its a fault of modern design and how there’s virtually 0 punishment
to spending every rune on chains of ice
sage raptor
Emphasis on virtually
amber harness
is going max vers the play? or is socketing enchanting and gearing for max haste better? while having vers on everthing ofc
past jolt
Idk 39% vers and haste the rest
full quiver
to spending every rune on chains of ice
fake news
keeping chains up on everyone vs ret war is fuckin cancer
plus next expansion they're making chains a damage ability (lol)
past jolt
Ya chains isn’t easy against them
nimble jasper
ok thats cuz ret war is dumb
sage raptor
where it stacks up
What talent is that?
full quiver
lol
full quiver
i don't remember
full quiver
it was something where it can stack up dam
past jolt
It’s cancer as well
full quiver
and then do a big burst chains
past jolt
it was something where it can stack up dam
Cold heart
nimble jasper
boomy at least he loses gcds
cold heart already exists but yeah
existed as a lego in legion then they brought it back as a talent
sage raptor
it was something where it can stack up dam
This?
full quiver
yeh
nimble jasper
yeah idk
sage raptor
when locks and dks are good
People say that about literally every class
past jolt
it just does piss dam
Well when you have 7 talents it’s not very appealing but amongst 30 it’s great
sage raptor
always has had it?
For a while. Never used ofc.
past jolt
Yeah, have high hopes for arms in DF, tho warriors are notoriously very quick to get nerfed in s1 of packs
sage raptor
Except s1 SL
past jolt
My theory is bc of how big the warrior pop gets in PvP when warr is meta
past jolt
It’s like 30% of the ladder or something when it’s the fotm
sage raptor
I just wanna see rogue deleted
I'd rather dh or monk tbh
nimble jasper
cuz its just
simple to pick up
walk up to people
do dam
sure you can do shit like good venes and banners but ehh
proper cc and setups are things the average player never learns
amber harness
I'd rather dh or monk tbh
I played monk in S1 and S2 was pretty fun but same as warrior zero fun against RMP. or specifically rogues. this 7 seconds stun is too strong, his overload of CC is too strong, his burst is higher than warriors ofc and most other classes and as outlaw he even deals more dmg than a fury and can make u have no kill window at all as warrior
spice hornet
cant count how many times a mikanikos stun has saved
a bad player who deservedf to die
sage raptor
Remember the random disarms?
nimble jasper
what
spice hornet
lol what? it disarmed?
simple rock
yeah playing prepatch wrath rn
fire mages have auto wall and 10% disarm proc
sp has disarm on stun
hunters have disarm and rogues too
sage raptor
This was a either a specific 2h mace or a BS weapon attachment
spice hornet
i swear there is a bug with NL DH where they are getting demons much more frequently
sage raptor
That's a feature
spice hornet
i would play 2s more if rdruid didnt exist
full quiver
🤣
spice hornet
got to 2305 had to beat rdruid dh
so fucking infuriating with the bugged blur
and no purge
rdruid abusing the shift speed conduit spamming that to just pillar doesnt even need to heal even tho hes at 20%
full quiver
rdruid survival
Vs rsruid bm
near delta
rdruid survival
Rop their tranq works everytime lol
spice hornet
assass rogue just hits me for 70k in .5
40k enven, 11k system shock, 21k FoK
cant wait for this expac to be over
past jolt
assass rogue just hits me for 70k in .5
anytime you encounter a 1shot spec, just @nimble jasper he knows how to counter all scripted speccs
past jolt
their burst aligns with trinket tho
healer trinket blind
you trinket parry
profit bro
just bc something is scripted doesnt mean the rng wont kill u bro
did u not read the patch notes
past jolt
ya ww can still randomly kill you thru everything, thats the problem with those guys
not always
maybe 10-20%
nimble jasper
they can only kill you with a keefers
nimble jasper
maybe if your healer is asleep at the wheel
nimble jasper
or dont play with rsham
past jolt
im not saying
WW ALWAYS kilsl you with his 1 shot no matter what u do
if you respond perfectly, you can still die occassionally
and thats not good
if you respond perfectly to lots of stuff in the game currently, there's a small chance that you will die anyway
elder wigeon
probably kyrian stupidity
full mastery crit build with vanish lego as necro
nimble jasper
i mean shamans are poop so maybe its possible you die to piss with one
high sparrow
🤔
elder wigeon
https://clips.twitch.tv/CloudyPeppyPlumberBCWarrior-2d8Iqa_mS_QLowH3 we love rogue 1 shots
spice hornet
really good players!!
nimble jasper
and they bring it back
elder wigeon
nah it's not crit lego
nimble jasper
god knows why
spice hornet
so cringe
elder wigeon
you get 3 envenoms instead of 2
spice hornet
i like the part where they think they are good for doing that
high sparrow
i like the part where they think they are good for doing that
they play the intellectually superior class, the rogue
you play the single digit iq brainlet, the warrior
spice hornet
yes he pressed his vanish button and envenom and fok really good
past jolt
past jolt
god knows why
watch first clip in this
past jolt
ya but like tons of classes can do the same thing randomly, not as often as rmp tho
i dont understand why they brought back double crit dmg
that was a decent change they made for the health of the game
and they reversed it
i get that some classes core functions involve critically striking but
it makes the game incredibly frustrating whne you have a 20% chance to take 50k dmg and a 80% chance to take 25% dmg from some ability
nimble jasper
good ol pshero special
"if i crit he dies"
i saw that clip before it got made into youtube clickbait
past jolt
same but it got deleted
that vid was teh only reminense of it i could find
im sure the 5 views this guy got for the highlight reel was worth the upload time
nimble jasper
i literally saw resonators+combust+echoing reprimand
and meta expects to live it
delusional
the main offenders are mm and rets
past jolt
offenders of what mich
the rng kills?
there's lots of stupid rng things in the game rn that are generally unappealing to the player base, specifically healers because they are often the ones who need to respond
past jolt
ive been helping my friend run 3's bc he really wants what ever the species of the shadowland drakes are and we sit in lfg for like
3 hours before finding a healer
nobody is playing
well, no healers are playing
cdew said on his stream he's never had a worse time being a healer in the last 12 yrs of high end competitive play than shadowlands
as a healer
nimble jasper
if you cant just accept getting memed
as the shadowlands special
then yeah
sometimes you get highrolled
past jolt
2/50 healers i know have been on in the past week (not including classic, maybe 10 ppl play that)
nimble jasper
game’s boring
but idk i dont mind overall pacing
its pretty unforgiving for new healers tho
spice hornet
boring season since not much changed rlly sohuld jsut kept it at s3
nimble jasper
esp less experienced healers
dont call their teammates defs
when they want them
etc
indigo barn
S4 killed it. All the free drake gamers from a year long season got up and left
craggy socket
Yeah season is boring af
Attempting wrath pre patch but without gear getting slammed lol
spice hornet
Yeah season is boring af
same as s3 but with an added gear regrind for no reason and maybe a lil more people abusing cheese 1 shots
undone pumice
its s3 but there arent random prots 1shotting people for a week or hyperchargee fury
past jolt
Played thunder tn
It’s never felt worse to play non meta stuff
Ret warr too prevalent
I even played fury
sage raptor
🍿
static cloak
Hello- just getting opinions, i love playing tank, prot warrior and paladin. what is the better in pvp out of the two, honestly?
elder wigeon
prot pally
fickle forge
Now this just got all mysterious
mystic barn
spice hornet
Played thunder tn
Yeah I did not enjoy that comp in s3 when I tried it as arms. Just always felt like you’re dying and permanently behind
steep inlet
Now this just got all mysterious
i had already 1300 +
but i changed server
it reseted it haha
and i came back on archimonde
fickle forge
i had already 1300 +
It's the social media man
steep inlet
past jolt
Probably all the lfg’ ing
spice hornet
is spriest not really a viable kill target anymore..feel like if they are even slightly coordinated with their healer they are nearly immortal. and if theyre good they always stand in a spot that screws over your healer, not to mention the fun of trying to dodged void volley and kill a psyfiend at the same time
past jolt
is spriest not really a viable kill target anymore..feel like if they are even s...
They’re the bait ye
I stopped going for them awhile ago
fickle forge
Troma has you beat and I'm right in your heels with no Twitch stream gang
Real sigma mindset
elfin surge
Troma has you beat and I'm right in your heels with no Twitch stream gang
most were from my lfg days
spice hornet
i would look you up too if a r1 prot warr main jammed me up at 1700
fickle forge
most were from my lfg days
R I G H T
I
G
H
T
elfin surge
i would look you up too if a r1 prot warr main jammed me up at 1700
i dislike you
spice hornet
We good?
full quiver
i would look you up too if a r1 prot warr main jammed me up at 1700
Lol
ancient sonnet
I don't get this prot meme
spice hornet
Memes aside long ago someone asked in here about prot warr resources and I told that guy mud is a prot warr main and he asked mud for some help. Just trolling mud since I know how much he loves tanks in arenas
past jolt
It’s crazy that elswave is atop the na and eu ladder at the same time, maybe he’s got some knowledge we don’t know
elfin surge
Memes aside long ago someone asked in here about prot warr resources and I told ...
i dont love tanks
spice hornet
It’s crazy that elswave is atop the na and eu ladder at the same time, maybe he...
ya its called being addicted to this shit game kekw
nah hes really good, super impressive w/l
past jolt
I think the dudes just cracked
spice hornet
yupyup
elfin surge
steel rune
Who is better at prot memphisrains or mud?
elfin surge
Who is better at prot memphisrains or mud?
near delta
Yall need to stop talking shit about mud. He'd never play prot.
Hes strictly a guardian drood
full quiver
god i queued into mud on his main yesterday
ember arch
hey brothers, can you guys help me with pvp fury legendaries? What's best slot's for them? 2 rings? wrists and ring? or what? I know that signet of tormented kings and unity the best. i seen deathmaker, but i think he's worst and only for 2v2
lethal sandal
is it worth it to spec into disarm and disarm a hunter in arena?
near delta
Yeah only mm. Against survival blood rage and warbringer are bigger value imo
lethal sandal
thanks a lot
nimble jasper
New PvP Talent: Precognition – If an interrupt is used on you while you are not casting, gain 15% Haste and become immune to control effects for 4 seconds.
nice mage talent
lean burrow
hpals got 0/100 holy power meter now?
oh wait, probably means 6-7 word of glory casts each taking 3 holy power
mighty fractal
ember arch
hey brothers, can you guys help me with pvp fury legendaries? What's best slot's...
i did look many profiles and other stuff, but still not sure, because some makes tormented kings for wrist and some makes unity for wrist, that's why murlok show not clear. So i need you're help <3
lean burrow
unity on wrist for free socket
signet on ring with free socket
or deathmaker on back
ember arch
but you can put sockets for coins from vault
ember arch
yeah, overthinking. thanks xd
ember arch
obsidian loom
<:gladge:963970137701109820>
Did they undo the nerf?
mighty fractal
Yes
obsidian loom
Waowee
obsidian loom
Ice wall is hilarious tbh
I had a mage cast it
Blink into it
And get absolutely rekt
I laughed so hard I almost threw the game
mighty fractal
Frost
New PvP Talent: Snowdrift – Summon a strong Blizzard that surrounds you for 6 seconds that slows enemies by 70% and deals Frost damage every 1 second. Enemies that are caught in Snowdrift for 3 seconds consecutively become Frozen in ice, stunned for 4 seconds.
Cool but will be annoying
obsidian loom
Seeing all this meme crap makes me concerned our kit won't have enough to deal with this shit
And we'll just get cc'ed to death like vanilla arms warriors
Poor rets losing long arm lmao
robust hearth
IM IN BOYS
warped warren
lean burrow
simple rock
raw summit
nooooooo
near delta
rmp with icewall
spice hornet
Good to see the rogue/mage dev sneaking in pvp changes
Whoever it is, is ensuring that comp is always broken
No way a normal dev working on DF was like “you know what, fire and arcane really need ice wall”
craggy socket
Where do you see all these changes?
low pasture
I was told there were Warrior tears here over Mage talents.
Do they come with free refills?
elder wigeon
I can't think straight with my double time and bound stride every game
simple rock
Where do you see all these changes?
mmochamp or wowhead
mmochamp has way less useless posts though
vastly prefer it
indigo barn
Just don't browse the forums
craggy socket
Just don't browse the forums
Discord > Reddit > Forums
indigo barn
I would rather use Facebook than moo champ forums
wheat crane
Reddits the best tho
Ppl put their xp in their flair
And you literally get 1800 rbgers telling mglads theyre fucking morons
Love to see it.
sharp meteor
idk if they verify flares and generally don't pay attention to them unless i recognize the name
forums are wild tho some 1380 male elf bm hunter sits there and argues for 50 posts with dilly
lucid walrus
god yeah
sharp meteor
wonder if my healers would lob me if i played night fae on an alt warr
lucid walrus
long as it's an alt healer i doubt ngl
spice hornet
Based night fae mastery stack arms build
sage raptor
I encountered one and they kinda pump ngl
proven maple
Fury or arms?
lucid walrus
yeah
lucid walrus
just not a cut & dried answer
past jolt
Yeah
sage raptor
It's literally remorseless winter though
A better version too
Because that's what mage needed
sinful dune
A mage main here. Mage still sucks. Even with the new changes frost will get kicked on frost and will be useless and only fire will be decent at best.
No one would let frostmage freecast the aoestun because its casted ability and anyone smart would just step out of the circle for a second and stack resets to 0
fickle forge
A mage main here. Mage still sucks. Even with the new changes frost will get kicked on frost and will be useless and only fire will be decent at best.
No one would let frostmage freecast the aoestun because its casted ability and anyone smart would just step out of the circle for a second and stack resets to 0
scarlet barn
A mage main here. Mage still sucks. Even with the new changes frost will get kicked on frost and will be useless and only fire will be decent at best.
No one would let frostmage freecast the aoestun because its casted ability and anyone smart would just step out of the circle for a second and stack resets to 0
steep inlet
A mage main here. Mage still sucks. Even with the new changes frost will get kicked on frost and will be useless and only fire will be decent at best.
No one would let frostmage freecast the aoestun because its casted ability and anyone smart would just step out of the circle for a second and stack resets to 0
"still sucks"
"decent"
when we talk about the best class in the game since ages
haha
robust hearth
You don’t play current wow even
Lol wat? I play both bro, I got cutting edge in CN and I hit 2400 in season 2 lmfao
And I full cleared SWP Kappa
wheat crane
A mage main here. Mage still sucks. Even with the new changes frost will get kicked on frost and will be useless and only fire will be decent at best.
No one would let frostmage freecast the aoestun because its casted ability and anyone smart would just step out of the circle for a second and stack resets to 0
Wheres yhe rogue one
We cant let that die either
warped warren
A mage main here. Mage still sucks. Even with the new changes frost will get kicked on frost and will be useless and only fire will be decent at best.
No one would let frostmage freecast the aoestun because its casted ability and anyone smart would just step out of the circle for a second and stack resets to 0
ancient sonnet
Those with beta, do we know if D stance is still 10% DR in DF?
lucid walrus
A mage main here. Mage still sucks. Even with the new changes frost will get kicked on frost and will be useless and only fire will be decent at best.
No one would let frostmage freecast the aoestun because its casted ability and anyone smart would just step out of the circle for a second and stack resets to 0
sand shadow
Those with beta, do we know if D stance is still 10% DR in DF?
Still 10% DR in PvP, still 20% damgur penalty
Still dogshit
Still tagged as TBD / WIP, so hope remains
green wyvern
only 3 sec cd tho
sand shadow
I guess that's a plus, but I don't think the CD was at any point the issue 🙂
At least I never felt like the CD was oppressive myself
You can get 4 Charges of RB on DF. There's a capstone talent that replaces RB altogether and gives you extra damage per auto attack instead (Fury)
Dumbing down Fury 
You can legit build an AA Fury at this point, which is a depressing thought
warped warren
sand shadow
new arena doesn't look bad btw
looks fairly compact, not yet another gigantic PoS like Enigma
Wonder if there's a way to measure the size of Arenas
high sparrow
A mage main here. Mage still sucks. Even with the new changes frost will get kicked on frost and will be useless and only fire will be decent at best.
No one would let frostmage freecast the aoestun because its casted ability and anyone smart would just step out of the circle for a second and stack resets to 0
high sparrow
Wonder if there's a way to measure the size of Arenas
i think personality is more important than size, but thats just me...
undone pumice
A mage main here. Mage still sucks. Even with the new changes frost will get kicked on frost and will be useless and only fire will be decent at best.
No one would let frostmage freecast the aoestun because its casted ability and anyone smart would just step out of the circle for a second and stack resets to 0
Lol wat? I play both bro, I got cutting edge in CN and I hit 2400 in season 2 lmfao
And I full cleared SWP Kappa
craggy socket
mage crying is so intense
Whats more intense is warrior's crying about mages, like cmon man.
craggy socket
when we talk about the best class in the game since ages
Thats actually funny tho because its warrior lol
sand shadow
Yes, warriors whining about their literal nemesis class since, and again literally, 2004, is unexpected
craggy socket
I wish more people would whine about rogues, but oh well.
steep inlet
🙂
sand shadow
Oh, don't worry
We hate Rogues more
I know I do
Mage is just an old enemy is all 😉
craggy socket
Mage is a fun class to play, I understand RMP triggers alot of people tho rightfully so
sand shadow
Nobody is bashing on your choice to play whatever you feel like friend
Or rather, no reasonable person is, idk
craggy socket
Oh I know I just don't understand the specific hate for what seems like just mages across most classes
when things like rogue exist
like anything happens to mages and everyone loses their minds
sand shadow
There's a very simple explanation as to why Rogues/Mages get so much hate. And it's not just about their S-tier status (usually)
craggy socket
its like 10% of all 2.4k+ players are warriors vs mage (at the bottom) is 4% lol
sand shadow
The way these classes make people "feel" is quite important
craggy socket
Mage is uesless without their old ball and chain
sand shadow
which is kinda sad
sand shadow
its like 10% of all 2.4k+ players are warriors vs mage (at the bottom) is 4% lol
that's an improper comparison; you need population sizes first
craggy socket
Right thats why im hoping for some decent changes so its possible to play without a rogue for once (only been pvping since BFA)
I mean playing wrath pre patch the warrior vs mage interactions is actually enjoyable
if warriors gets to you on mage you are toast, but you can't let that happen as a mage
sand shadow
If 10% of all warriors are 2.4k, but the total Warrior pop in PvP is 1mil, then that's worse than 4% of mages being above 2.4k, but w/ a pop of say 100k
craggy socket
yeah, I suppose that adds some depths to it . Warrior is the most popular pvp class, we have alot of different comp options.
sand shadow
idk if it's the most popular
craggy socket
my point is I play mage/warrior and a few alts but when I see other classes get some new abilities I dont get heated about it on discord
or forums/reddit etc
sand shadow
you mean for DF?
craggy socket
Ya
sand shadow
DF is a complete mystery, nobody knows shit really
craggy socket
I do enjoy a good mystery
fickle forge
I don't really hate mage as much as I hate the archetype of people who play mage and rogue
And I look at warrior mains like Bajheera, Magnusz, Swifty, Mud, Dekel and a couple regulars that either are or used to be here, and I see outgoing, for the most part relaxed, people that manage their lives well while taking care of themselves, actual people you can look up to and respect
And I can't really pinpoint that for as many rogue or mage players
Latest example being a certain mage NA stalker
robust hearth
A mage main here. Mage still sucks. Even with the new changes frost will get kic...
every spellcaster has this as a pvp talent now tho?
sage raptor
A mage main here. Mage still sucks. Even with the new changes frost will get kicked on frost and will be useless and only fire will be decent at best.
No one would let frostmage freecast the aoestun because its casted ability and anyone smart would just step out of the circle for a second and stack resets to 0
robust hearth
well i have it as evoker
spice hornet
A mage main here. Mage still sucks. Even with the new changes frost will get kic...
Yeah seems like they really don’t care that fire has like 4 spell schools
past jolt
every spellcaster has this as a pvp talent now tho?
Will not stay, already talked about this with dev in other discord
It’s experiment
past jolt
No just shammy
Wrong EVERY caster currently
It’s just not updated in every wowhead calculator possibly
scarlet barn
get good at interupting
craggy socket
90% of mages no longer want to play fire
ancient sonnet
Well frost looks pretty bonkers and I'm sure they're tired of fire being the only viable spec for so long
sage raptor
Wrong EVERY caster currently
Oh really? I haven't noticed
It's not like someone already corrected me 6 messages up
craggy socket
Yeah I believe its every caster
sage raptor
Probably healers too eventually
craggy socket
Why does horde lose every single bg in wow classic
like literally have won 1 out of 7
craggy socket
That doesn't even make sense
but I suppose apes just love repeating the same shit over and over again.
ancient sonnet
Human OP and classic is meta slaves
robust hearth
Why does horde lose every single bg in wow classic
Because all the true pvpers went alliance for wrath because human racial OPAF and it stays alliance dominant till Legion nerfs human racial
high sparrow
but I suppose apes just love repeating the same shit over and over again.
ye, things like "why does my faction lose every single bg"
craggy socket
ye, things like "why does *my faction* lose every single bg"
Was more or less looking for some reasoning like people explaining about the human racial. Makes sense.
Its one thing to lose 40/60 and say that but ive lost an insane amount of games was my point
lean burrow
I don't really hate mage as much as I hate the archetype of people who play mage and rogue
And I look at warrior mains like Bajheera, Magnusz, Swifty, Mud, Dekel and a couple regulars that either are or used to be here, and I see outgoing, for the most part relaxed, people that manage their lives well while taking care of themselves, actual people you can look up to and respect
ancient sonnet
Its one thing to lose 40/60 and say that but ive lost an insane amount of games ...
Didn't they make it so horde could queue against horde in BGs to lower queue times? Or was that just a classic thing?
steep inlet
And I look at warrior mains like Bajheera, Magnusz, Swifty, Mud, Dekel and a cou...
this
mentality difference between warrior and mage leads is gigantic
wheat jay
And then the age of orc
I might make my belf warr an orc
I got Elite set from legion to make it work
craggy socket
Who you not like as a mage streamer?
wheat jay
Xaryu
Venruki can sometimes be annoying due to mage bias but that's the case with most class mains
At least venruki's takes make sense
Xaryu is delusional
wheat jay
Many people
craggy socket
Then again I don't hate any streamer
wheat jay
Mes accepting that heartstop aura was a problem is one of them
Meanwhile xaryu wants mage to be immortal with best CC and best burst
Currently mage is almost that
And xaryu is still calling for a stun for mage
craggy socket
Seen alot of that on every single class discord
stun would be great im tired of having to play with rogues, tone down the cc/burst. I wanna que with more than trash rogues
wheat jay
Mage would have too much with stun
craggy socket
Hence why i enjoy my warrior alot of comp options
craggy socket
Thats why i said tone down
craggy socket
Lol
wheat jay
And they can have stun for all I care
craggy socket
remove db/ring and give stun
craggy socket
perhaps but frost on LK feels pretty fun with stun
and uh frost never had db so im cool with that
raw summit
Psure df DB is 45
craggy socket
nah they got a talent that reduces cc cd's 😄
perhaps theres another caster I would enjoy over mage idk never played another casters.
really only played mage, pala, warr, hunter, rogue with a little bit of priest healing.
fickle forge
Ofc every class has whiney people
But when it comes to the people at the top, mage and rogue just generally have the biggest tears
And I look at somebody like Whaazz, who's arguably the best player in the game, and a great multiclasser, but yet still he's ultra whiney whenever RMP has any opposition
Man will literally sit with 96% win rate on ladder, take the cake in AWC with a single comp and blame it on his opponents having a weak mental game
Like bruh
sharp meteor
Because rmp feels really bad if there's a comp that has a reliable or semi-reliable stop for the first ten goes or whatever.
Even if rmp can live that long and kill on the 11th or whatever.
frank knoll
And xaryu is still calling for a stun for mage
I bet they’re all gonna reroll Tauren mages
More stam and a stun
frank knoll
Id say give poly a 10s cooldown
Bro they would lose there shit lol.
Mage mains doing January 6th insurrection at Blizz HQ
wheat jay
Bro they would lose there shit lol.
Mage mains doing January 6th insurrection at...
Yep
I firmly believe that all spammable cc should have 10s cooldown
Including cheapshot
And no way to reduce it below 10s
high sparrow
Xaryu is delusional
agreed
i dont always like venruki but its just like u said, usually makes sense
and he actually just said on stream right now mages and warlocks are the most broken in DF
but top 100 could have 90 mages and xaryu would still say mage isnt that good
craggy socket
the mage crying continues lmfaoo
high sparrow
this is the warrior discord, what do you expect
craggy socket
I dont see too much of this in any other discord lmao
high sparrow
nice
high sparrow
also i didnt even cry about mages
wheat jay
not just polymorph
high sparrow
i was just saying artji is right about th estreamers who play mage
wheat jay
poly, fear, cyclone, cheap shot, sap
high sparrow
i have a way bigger problem with rogues than mages
craggy socket
Warrior is the best class in the game
wheat jay
debatable
craggy socket
Since like, forever
wheat jay
it was in s1 and s2
high sparrow
xd
high sparrow
think this is how we know this guys trolling anyway
craggy socket
Turbo
high sparrow
ret warr has literally not been a thing for ages until SL
craggy socket
Warriors always have an S-Tier comp
wheat jay
not rly the case
craggy socket
Ok lol
high sparrow
warriors were pretty shit in s3 and s4 bfa for example
after they got nerfed in s1 and the tank shit in s2 removed
wheat jay
but there is still only ONE comp that's never fallen from S tier
craggy socket
Pretty sure warrior still has the most AWC wins
Highest representation out of any class for yet another season
above 2400
wheat jay
of course its the highest rep, its the most popular class in the game
high sparrow
warrior is one of the most popular classes in the game
high sparrow
there will always be more high rated warriors than monks in the game unless monk is legit absurdly broken
wheat jay
etc
high sparrow
^
craggy socket
I enjoy both classes alot
wheat jay
good
craggy socket
Great
high sparrow
fantastic
craggy socket
SPLENDID
spice hornet
Warriors always have an S-Tier comp
What was the S tier comp in bfa s4
spice hornet
Psure df DB is 45
It is but sadly added some CDR mechanic to reduced it lol. Just another one of those illusions that the rogue/mage dev is sneaking in to make you think they’re getting a nerf but they really arent
magic lance
does warrior look like it's gonna be tanky in df?
wheat jay
maybe less even
fickle forge
Warrior is the best class in the game
lean burrow
does warrior look like it's gonna be tanky in df?
impending victory free talent
surely now warrior will be tankiest
magic lance
d stance as well, but you lose ignore pain
I'm not sure if it's a net positive or loss
thick reef
depends prob
fickle forge
surely now warrior will be tankiest
We can calc it tbh
wheat jay
losing ignore pain is huge for warrior survi
seeing how it was arms top healing in details
and you could pre-ignore pain a go
pre-ip a kidney and you add what, 20k to your hp?
high sparrow
impending victory free talent
lost ignore pain tho
also this impending victory we're getting in DF is already nerfed
fickle forge
pre-ip a kidney and you add what, 20k to your hp?
It was only 7k at the time Artji, despite how much you hated IP
wheat jay
It was only 7k at the time Artji, despite how much you hated IP
i didn't hate it
what do you mean xD
i was annoyed at it cuz it was such a short cd
fickle forge
IP IS SO BROKEN MAN, IT'S LIKE A 20K ABSORB
wheat jay
but there was at least some skill expression to it against rmp