pvp

[past jolt]

I tried it, but I can’t figure out where it’s worth over death sentence if I’m not like dub time

[simple rock]

death sentence? in 2022?

[steep inlet]

https://gyazo.com/fe2fc63fef36c0b50193b031a73d6b84

[indigo barn]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/new-user-interface-and-accessibility-options-in-dragonflight-hold-to-cast-action-328518 no need to mash keys as fury

[elder wigeon]

that's actually really sick

though I'm sure some RMPers will figure out how to make that broken

[undone pumice]

its made for them anyway

[restive glacier]

Is it still hard to find ppl to play with in arena as dps? :x

I remember in past I could sit one hour in LFG as dps, but only 5 min as healer... So I wonder if it got better for dps

[warped warren]

maybe

[past jolt]

Nice.

[past jolt]

It’s nice against boomy

Or monk

[spice hornet]

When it doesn’t bug out looo

[past jolt]

Is fine for me won’t charge into rop but dmg goes thru

[spice hornet]

Lolol when it didn’t have the cooldown I killed many monks through rop just spamming execute, good times s2

[past jolt]

I just use it as as arms bc massacre is allegedly what ppl are playing these days so it’s nice but I wish I could have warbringer and death sentance but I’m usually forced to pick 1 or the other

I’m getting my fury set anyway, I love arms but fury is objectively much better in a lot of comps

I like arms in turbo but I play with not those classes

[spice hornet]

Yeah that seems to be the mindset of most warrior mains rn

[frank knoll]

Unhinged bad?

[raw summit]

ye

[frank knoll]

What about battlelord

[raw summit]

neither of them are enduring blow

so kinda iffy

[fickle forge]

What

[lucid walrus]

2399

[fickle forge]

There's like no answer to that question

[steep inlet]

@fickle forge :o

[fickle forge]

Unfortunate game ngl

[steep inlet]

yeah np

[frank knoll]

😦

[fickle forge]

Just never recovered after the opener

@steep inlet Popquiz, locate the casted damage

[steep inlet]

Lal

[lean burrow]

fireblast but no pyros?

how

[fickle forge]

Fire ele

[lucid walrus]

feel like that’s fire ele

ahh yeah

what’s meteor come from?

[fickle forge]

Fire ele

[lucid walrus]

wild

[lean burrow]

shaman is more of a mage than mages

[fickle forge]

May as well remove kick from melees since casting is a thing of the past

Still casting your spells buddy? Living in 2004 I see

[past jolt]

I feel like unhinged is so far from enduring blow, I’ve never tried battle lord but I can’t imagine it being as shit as unhinged

May as well not wear a leggo, less stam and str

[lean burrow]

kick is for stopping fleshcraft now

[wheat crane]

Ez

Immolate

[fickle forge]

Fire ele

[wheat crane]

Jk

0 vasted dmg

[past jolt]

I never realized how not great the spear conduit is lol

I always thought it was big

The instant dmg is the smallest part and 25 to 40 rage on arms isn’t a big deal, if it doubles during reck that’s nice on fury for rampage into rampage

[fickle forge]

I've had some decent 27k spear hits with the conduit

Certainly fat cleave

[past jolt]

I get lots of dmg overall but the initial bits aren’t that big maybe 11k with conduit

I’m only 301 ilvl tho

Still need some pants

And sockets

MBG seems like a nice alternative to it tho

I’ve seen laros use it b4

[past jolt]

It sounds like you probably are war breaker before spear

[fickle forge]

Ofc 😎👍

[past jolt]

Nah I don’t do that, people got a massive horn that plays on their weak aura van gladiator losa yelling at them when I wb

Think most high rated guys will stun into spear then wb ms storm

I think that reaffirms my decision to run MBG

[nimble jasper]

people get mes’ arena WA

which airhorns like

every class cd

[past jolt]

Ya I know

There’s a massive airhorn that plays

I know it’s common cause I’ll get dismantled by 1800 rogues

[spice hornet]

Kekw I’ve killed someone with an 18k spear from range before

Imagine dying to that

[nimble jasper]

i mean i used to disarm warbreakers insta

cuz you know theres a giant

cs debuff

on my char

[fickle forge]

Reminds me of that clip where an RM rogue gets speared, is on DR so he leaves spear, and then dies to the DoT around the pillar

[past jolt]

I have a pretty decent fps background I’ll say my long range spears are the only impressive thing about my gameplay

Otherwise potato man

[nimble jasper]

i ran into a fury on bladesedge

[wheat mulch]

Hello 🤗. As Necro fury in arenas (mostly 2s) do I burst with banner and reck? And for the 2nd go do I hold on to reck waiting to burst again with banner?

[nimble jasper]

that whiffed 3 spears by 5 yds

in a row

was dying laughing

[wheat mulch]

Playing signet leggo

[past jolt]

He still did 11,5k dps

[nimble jasper]

no

[past jolt]

I recently lowered my ui scale bc i felt like I had everything so enlarged with move anything kinda miss the bigger debuffs but my screen was insanely cluttered

I use weak auras tho, mainly for sweeping strikes duratuon track and cs proc

[nimble jasper]

instant tilt trinket

on disarm

is funny

[frank knoll]

I guess you can still hit 30k executes with banner as arms

Kek

[nimble jasper]

30k is low

[frank knoll]

My warrior is 245 ilvl

[nimble jasper]

bruh moment

[past jolt]

I did a 33k one yesterday !

[frank knoll]

If I was fully geared prolly like 70k

[past jolt]

No you won’t

70 dude

Are u crazy

[nimble jasper]

you prob can on aff

or mage

[frank knoll]

If I was in full gear yeah prolly

I hit my 30k on a DK

[past jolt]

I’ve never come close

That’s 60% of someone’s hp

[nimble jasper]

mud hit a 32k bloodbath

on someone

[past jolt]

I saw

With conduit

[frank knoll]

But gotta have avatar, banner,deepwounds and csmash up

[nimble jasper]

orc

and badge

[daring birch]

Brothers in arms I come seeking aid. Recently me and a buddy started doing dome casual 2s to try and get some pvp mounts, and my gear isn't the best but im around ~25% vers with around 70k hp. We're not doin too bad, we win most of our games.. but my problem is that a lot of our games (especially all of our losses) I get hard focused and popped like a pimple. Is there a trick to not getting obliterated to the other teams burst?

[past jolt]

He’s fury too so it’s like 40% inc dmg

[simple rock]

highest execute i've hit this season is 44k vs sp

didn't have badge yet though

[nimble jasper]

are you playing double dps

[daring birch]

Yes

[nimble jasper]

dont

[past jolt]

Maybe he was like haste mastery or something

[frank knoll]

People don’t think arms is scary anymore

[past jolt]

I feel like I’ve for sure hit 50’s

But in bgs against no vers andies

[simple rock]

I timed it after his megalomania he went 85% > dead in 1.5s

[nimble jasper]

double dps as warrior without a ret enh or feral

is just an awful time

[simple rock]

he was almost full gear

105k ish

[past jolt]

You can play with a demo and just play impending victory fury

[daring birch]

It feels awful, thanks man

[nimble jasper]

also undergeared

pretty badly

[frank knoll]

I remember people saying “you’re trolling of you play IV”

[past jolt]

Iv?

Ofc you’d play it with a demo

[frank knoll]

Yeah IV edited

[daring birch]

What's the vers supposed to be at these days

[frank knoll]

Apparently Destros can hit 80-100k chaos bolts if they play Kyrian

[nimble jasper]

over 30

but 70k hp is just low

people have over 100k now

vers is severe copium

[past jolt]

In full gear, if you were just vanilla stacking haste vers, gemming enchanting vers you’d be at 41% vers as fury

[nimble jasper]

people act like 2% less dam taken

[past jolt]

So they often go mastery or haste

[nimble jasper]

was gonna save them from a 200% overkill

actual meme

[past jolt]

At full gear

[simple rock]

full mastery destro was hitting 50k last season

so that seems about right

but gl getting bolts off without haste

[nimble jasper]

also you wan 5% speed gem

and 16 speed per sl gem

[past jolt]

13 ye

As fury you get that extra wep

So it’s easy to hit the 39% mark without even trying

I’d say every top 10 warr is 37%+ vers, but it won’t show the PvP ilvl vers if you look

[daring birch]

Thanks playas

[past jolt]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/eu/stormscale/skmerce even merce is @ 40% + vers as arms

[past jolt]

I think they do, they’re just viewing arms as a juicy kill target tho

[past jolt]

That’s the mentality of every rival- duelist arms warr who puts haste gems in over vers and has crit haste leggos

And they die

[nimble jasper]

thats severe copium

most people trade cds at wrong times

then complain they got "oneshot"

then link their ilvl and vers

wall at 20

[past jolt]

I just linked you one of the highest rated arms warriors stacked in vers

[nimble jasper]

WAAA I GOT ONESHOT

[past jolt]

Is he trading bad

Or is arms squishy

[nimble jasper]

warrior also doesnt get as much from stacking other stats

[past jolt]

If you’re arms, you should be very conscious of your sustain

[nimble jasper]

vers is still your best option

but people are severely coping when they act like 4% vers is the reason they died

in a scenario

[past jolt]

He’s at the 2nd dr tho in that view, so 0.8

:1

[nimble jasper]

point is for arms vers is still your best stat

but people act like its a complete diff game if you drop or gain a few %

(its not)

[past jolt]

I personally wouldn’t go above 39, but seeing a lot of the great players doing it makes me reconsider

[nimble jasper]

some specs have valid reasons to go for other stats

[past jolt]

I wouldn’t say vers is the best offensive stat at 30%, for pure dmg

I mean even before that pvers stack crit

[nimble jasper]

ofc theres also the point that some of the classes that go for other stats

i.e mage lock rogue

are much tankier naturally

[past jolt]

But I interpreted your point as you think warriors go for vers beyond the thresholds bc of anything but the fact that it double dips as a good offensive stat and good defensive stat

For arms

[nimble jasper]

altho i think we're at the point in the expac mages dont need to give up vers for their haste threshold

i.e there's a specific haste % you need to land db sheep on relentless players

[past jolt]

Ok

I’m not taking about them tho

[nimble jasper]

i mean you can go for more crit

[past jolt]

I’m talking about arms warriors being squishy and vers helping them survive

[nimble jasper]

magnus was playing almost full crit kyrian in season 2 when alot of people played haste vers

[onyx hinge]

ip scales with vers

[past jolt]

and u said IP being in the equation was cope

[nimble jasper]

all healing does

[past jolt]

No offense but we’re really going to bring up season2???

[nimble jasper]

a 4% stronger ip wont save you from massive overkill

[past jolt]

But crit will?

[nimble jasper]

no but entire point was just people cope on vers %s

and get too hung up on them

[past jolt]

Massive overkill ??? This isn’t mythic raiding it’s PvP

[nimble jasper]

"if i had 39% vers instead of 34%" i would have lived

[past jolt]

Well there’s thresholds my guy

[nimble jasper]

im talking about the mentioned example

[past jolt]

It makes sense to reach them

Who

[nimble jasper]

vers is just useful for offense and defense

[frank knoll]

Man gearing up is miserable lol

[nimble jasper]

but people do cope and pretend a certain vers threshold makes them way tankier

[past jolt]

I think it’s important that people who play arms understand how big of a toss it is to play like 30% vers

[frank knoll]

Trying to do BGs for honor, I stopped after the 8th loss in a row

[past jolt]

Bc you’re on a fragile spec

I was on my distant dk alt me and a friend were lf a 3’s lfg whatever 2kcr don’t care spec/class , took in a warrior

Turns out he’s arms, fine

[nimble jasper]

30% vers

36% vers

congrats

3% less dam taken

[past jolt]

He dies in the opener 2 games in a row open up the inspect man’s gemmed full haste

Wearing haste trinket and BADGE

no bm no relentless

[full quiver]

Fast af boiiiii

[nimble jasper]

well the problem there is hes not wearing a cc trinket

[past jolt]

He’s confused as to how he’s passed away

He had a speed ring too

[full quiver]

Haha

[past jolt]

So 89k hp

[nimble jasper]

speed ring is literally fine

tbf

[full quiver]

U guys played with a rank 1 arms war

And couldn't win

Smh

[past jolt]

He said this

[nimble jasper]

idk the only prob i see there is he has no cc break

[past jolt]

“ have you ever heard of bagheera or swifty “

This is what they play

[nimble jasper]

you could have zoned the go but he also

could he trinket parried insta

if he had oneon

[past jolt]

Oh no we earthern zone disarm he parried after his stun at 40% still died

Healer 10k hps

I disarmed wings intervened

He was a jackass

Not saying tsg should beat a Ret warr but damn was that frustrating

[nimble jasper]

what did other team use

[past jolt]

Wings banner reck the opener

He rallied at the end

[nimble jasper]

cuz realistically zone earthen

shouldnt be enough

werent you dk

[past jolt]

Oh my b im saying

Yeah yeah

I’m saying what I’d do

Im dk

Zoned it shammy earthern

He just parry at half

[nimble jasper]

yeah

man needs to parry insta

or fear them both

[past jolt]

He had some options

Didn’t disarm

[nimble jasper]

parry at 40%

to ret wings and banner

doesnt matter if full vers

still dies

[past jolt]

We’ll be was running the human

Double dps trinket

[nimble jasper]

end of the day the problem is he traded giga late

reminds me when i played wwdk once

and we killed a guy through bm parry

at 20%

[past jolt]

Well it’s more saying, that guy thought he needed more dmg so he chucked in all dps gems and dps trinkets and crit haste leggos

And he’s not living

Ofc he’s not a great player it’s rival mmr

[nimble jasper]

problem is hes not wearing a cc trinket

not the full haste

[past jolt]

He shouldn’t be thinking about doing 2% more dmg

[nimble jasper]

all im saying

[past jolt]

He should be thinking about taking 2% less and doing 1% more instead

As a circle back

[nimble jasper]

you basically need to respond instantly to ret war burst

2% less dam taken doesnt matter in this context

you parry 40% to ret war dama

and sham doesnt healing tide

????

[past jolt]

Rets damage is highly nerfed by insta zone, earthern is going to take care of alot of the non rampage dmg

Oh tide was down but that’s like rotational

He used tide

Just link left

[nimble jasper]

he needs to cc them

[past jolt]

Dude this man is dying they had a shaman as well

[nimble jasper]

idk this is sl

i’ve killed rshams through wall earthen and healing tide

[past jolt]

Wear vers gear gem vers

[nimble jasper]

in openeer

[past jolt]

Wear a bm

Be smart

[nimble jasper]

ccing on burst is most important

good ol fashion s3 sub rmp

kill an rsham through bm wall htt

[past jolt]

I get that

But this isn’t a high lvl rating

[nimble jasper]

god i remember the comms

[past jolt]

I’m saying simply

[nimble jasper]

“im booning restun his trinket we kill him through everything”

[past jolt]

Wear high vers as arms, you don’t have a wall in stun, you use ip on cd

It’s good dmg

No need to play haste

Or crit

[nimble jasper]

i just go humans who play double dps

cuz they likely have no brain

[past jolt]

All human rets play double dps trinket against non rmp

It’s good for them

We just don’t have bops or bubble

[nimble jasper]

oh thats why

pre md the bubble

kill ret through his cds

[past jolt]

It’s still a cc break regardless

Which is why it’s not that important

For arms mandatory

[nimble jasper]

feels so good

pre md bubble

insta restun

kill

thanks for pts peasant

god i hate

ret war players

/spit

[past jolt]

I mean that’s got nothing to do with double dps trinket as human but ye it’s nice when a non fast cast pre md is done

[nimble jasper]

turbo at least if the enh sucks

you can notice

[past jolt]

I think people hate them both equally

[nimble jasper]

ret war is more braindead

than turbo

[scarlet barn]

Oh wait

is that

the actual ziggly

[past jolt]

I am

[scarlet barn]

The ex Doctor oak Pfp

[past jolt]

Like in tbc Classic

[nimble jasper]

random full hp intervenes

bad sancs

cant press stormbolt hoj same time

classic

[past jolt]

Ya it’s an obnoxious comp to face

[nimble jasper]

die in dr warstomp

from 80%

love to see it

[past jolt]

Getting freedom sprint is nice

On the receiving end

[nimble jasper]

rets complaining about mobility

while being a nuclear bomb

[lucid walrus]

no movespeed andy

[past jolt]

Only thing they can complain about is lack of comp options

But even then I wouldn’t feel bad

[lucid walrus]

neither cupid nor r/w are too bad rn

[nimble jasper]

you can play php

[past jolt]

Cupid is b I think there’s a few high ones but it’s rough

[nimble jasper]

pikapala played scooby

to r1 psure

[past jolt]

Fury Ret owns you

Turbo owns

[lucid walrus]

scoobert doobert

[nimble jasper]

turbo is

[lucid walrus]

kitty ☻

[past jolt]

I think everything should beat u honestly

It’s something you’d have to outplay everyone to win but it’s poss

[nimble jasper]

big enh diff

[past jolt]

Vanguards and yoske were beating Ret warr but always losing to the pet kick Mvq dhdk

[nimble jasper]

the funniest thing about ret is

vanguards is prob the only big name ret

bunch of randos just came out of woodwork in SL

[wary heart]

is retwarr still the S tier meta?

[nimble jasper]

vanguards does ridic dam even by ret standards

lmao

[past jolt]

Kzfox is the most hilarious r1 player, just talks like super slow and only cares about his dam

[lucid walrus]

vanguards has some of the best positioning in the game

plays exactly where he wants to

[nimble jasper]

yeah idk kzfox just seems like a standard

product of SL ret war

kind of like how ozz is a product of sl rmp

[past jolt]

He’s like no but kyrian spear helps my dam more I think … pretty sure any dam would be. More. And the meter has him at 11k

I hear him a lot cause I watch the ruski guy playing on na

Lag

[nimble jasper]

sometimes i wonder how spook a jellybeans jungle would be

if he took the game serious

[past jolt]

Haven’t seen him play a jungle since walabear played

[nimble jasper]

yeah

[past jolt]

Even then it was hpal jungle

[nimble jasper]

hes pretty far the best hunter on na

[lucid walrus]

can’t really name a lot of hunters

[past jolt]

He does his own thing and enjoys streaming so good for him

[lucid walrus]

dillon, jelly, ???

[full quiver]

Wow ok thanks mich

[past jolt]

There’s a lot that don’t stream

On na, there’s that bm guy rbtz

[nimble jasper]

carried by zev

im in a cord with him

na has ssds and yoske too ig

[past jolt]

Eu used to have more hunters but now it’s bicmex Kasu and sometimes disyo

My favorite was always facile but he’s long gone

[nimble jasper]

the real eu diff tbh

is eu rmps

i swear they play way more aggro

[past jolt]

I’ve lived in both regions and played wow in both for years at a time I’ll say that eu does have better caster melee comps in general but way worse cleaves outside of some that they like such as ele lock x

[nimble jasper]

cue akro killing someone in opener

then laughing like “oi blyat”

could also be why eu has some comps that would do bad into cleaves

but good into caster melee

[past jolt]

If you were to take a real deep dive, you’d probably see the top 4 comps we face being rmp, jungle, ele lock, boomy dh, then you’d see some turbo tsg … but rn eu has gone to the na side witb tons of kitty

In past 5 years those 4 tho

[nimble jasper]

that one french team on eu that played

sub ww

to r1

[near delta]

What sparked all the kitty cleaves? Been seeing it all the time lately

[past jolt]

It was popular on EU in s3, primarily by Russians

Russians are like the only ones who play like the NA meta before people eventually follow if it’s good

[nimble jasper]

most troll shit was still

the sub outlaw rdruid r1 team

on eu

[past jolt]

We had taku with the outlaw fury in legion, we had a ton fmpala destro hpal Ret rogue hpala one tricks that you’d see even if it was off meta

They’d make things interesting as the rest would continue their jungle rmp life journey

[lucid walrus]

how the fuck do their mages top damage

i don’t understand

[past jolt]

It’s because they play a comp that takes a very low amount of damage

And in the burst moments they do most the dmg

[lucid walrus]

fair. i haven’t watched how they play really. watching an NA and EU team play side by side doesn’t exactly help either

[nimble jasper]

talked to an eu mage once

he said na rmp for some reason doesnt know the concept of just

[past jolt]

It’s just generally the rmp way, reset until you win

[nimble jasper]

sending a kidney and doing dam

[lucid walrus]

most of them are scared to death of spending DRs more than necessary

and i mean fair

[past jolt]

I think na does sub fire resonator quite well, they’re just not patient enough. To make outlaw as aids as it can actually be like eu rogues

[nimble jasper]

they just mental boom on na

if the cc is remotely bricked

[lean burrow]

why can't rogue mage be shit just for one season

[past jolt]

Idk I hate this meta tho it sucks cause I like warrior rn and how it feels to press the buttons but the meta is highly bad and 1 shotty

Completely abandoned by devs

The aff warlock shit? I can’t say much bc arms does pretty well into them but their soul Rot thing can kill the entire team at once lol and it’s 40 k of healers hp to dispel

[nimble jasper]

kind of hard

without changing how mage works

actually wait s12

[past jolt]

The casting circle revert was such a slap in the face to ppl who enjoy PvP, like now even the best players take it bc why wouldn’t you, immune to interrupts even if you’re a great juker now you don’t even need to waste time doing it

Like having it remove unending resolve aura mastery was a great bandaid

Now you’re incentivized to take a talent that lets you bypass a crucial part of the game on a 1 min cd

[nimble jasper]

never seen a lock play casting circle

besides low mmr

[past jolt]

Nah, they mostly use it

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/area-52/maldiva

[nimble jasper]

doesnt stop you from being stunned

[high sparrow]

Use it when ure on stun dr then

[past jolt]

I think everyone uses it unless it’s a special case like boomy or something? Idk

[nimble jasper]

theres something severely ironic watching warlocks

complain about rogues

[past jolt]

Having to save stun for that is silly, it’s definitely a huge issue rn

Bc affliction can 1 shot the team frequently… not 1 shot a person … the entire team

[nimble jasper]

idk i havent been bothering with this season

its major dogshit

[high sparrow]

Its what ziggly said

I think both warrrior specs are super fun to play, but the meta overall feels awful

[past jolt]

They also don’t run any versatility anymore bc of how much the accrued vitality conduit heals them

[nimble jasper]

i mean every time i play fury

[high sparrow]

Feels like im randomly dead the whole game

[nimble jasper]

it just feels like

[past jolt]

Sorry brother

[nimble jasper]

a bad outlaw

idk

[past jolt]

Nah, fury does ridiculous damage and 40% ms

It’s an S tier for sure

[nimble jasper]

outlaw’s fun to be on the giving end

cant say the same for receiving

tho

[past jolt]

Fury just doesn’t feel great at all to me bc of the heavy incentive to raging blow spam

[nimble jasper]

idk i dont enjoy it

its like dh

but more idiot proof

[high sparrow]

Ive been playing arms again recently and i missed it

But being dead to air the whole game is unfun

[past jolt]

Indeed, tho death sweep is a cool animation and button

[nimble jasper]

outlaw’s also a dam bot but you just have

so much control

that you can just abuse tf out of people

with it

[past jolt]

It’s abusive yeah, but anytime I see someone high qing an outlaw melee cleave they kinda get shit on

[nimble jasper]

the whole crushing blow rampage spam is goofy

[past jolt]

But it’s usually nessper

I don’t find him amazing

[nimble jasper]

why would you play outlaw meleecleave

as opposed to outlaw rmp

or rlx

[past jolt]

I don’t think most ppl prefer outlaw to sub

[nimble jasper]

yeah nessper is w/e

[past jolt]

It may be just as good if not better, but it’s a different game

[nimble jasper]

raz on eu is better at just pveing people down as outlaw

or trimaz

[past jolt]

Sub fire venthyr is just the ultimate exploitative comp, big egos on those players for not much

[nimble jasper]

i mean outlaw is fundamentally a rogue

but also isnt

[past jolt]

It’s good ye

[nimble jasper]

it def goes against traditional reset spam gameplay

[past jolt]

It doesn’t need a mage like sub does tho, I feel like if you’re outlaw you’re probably looking for something interesting like ww outlaw looked fun

[nimble jasper]

i still have to replay sometimes

when i watch howton 100-0 someone in a dr cheapshot

dude has always just played sub in a super one/twoshot playstyle

[lucid walrus]

playing impending in comps that permit it helps a lot in my experience

[frank knoll]

Naw career duelist DHs are worse

[spice hornet]

sub too much dmg, shadowy duel need to be rmeoved

[past jolt]

I’m not saying it’s bad it’s just like if you make 1 mistake game is over, even if you do everything right - most likely lose unless specially RPS or something that does decent into it

[nimble jasper]

oh yeah rps farms bad rmps

into the dirt

its funny to watch

the one season i played it was just free pts every rmp

[spice hornet]

wats it like being able to farm rmp

ret warr here

[robust hearth]

How to beat outlaw rogue as fury

1v1

[spice hornet]

lol you dont

unless the outlaw dcs

[robust hearth]

Ok so I have to talent into DDoS got it

[spice hornet]

yes

outlaw being in the arena invalidates your existence

[robust hearth]

[spice hornet]

especially as furry

[robust hearth]

Rogues have raged whiapwr me because I use signet

They tell me "RNG blade storm is soo bad!"

[spice hornet]

signet makes ppl mald for some reason

[robust hearth]

Bladestorming when they rryna get their 7 second kidney shots out makes em rage

[spice hornet]

at high rating they dont even care if that happens cause its on such a low cooldown anway lol

braindead spec

[nimble jasper]

why do people instant kidney

dumb dumbs

every time i play that matchup

and the guy procs an unenranged bs im like

“u good?”

[raw summit]

wondering why i am too stupid to trinket parry into reso arrow double tap

[wheat crane]

Nah big brain is to charge disarm fear the trinket then stun off for 0 reason when ypu could just burn parry and go ham

[nimble jasper]

but idk what you did to get yourself into this situation

[robust hearth]

[nimble jasper]

pop reck

guy vanishes the inevitable incoming stormbolt

trinket disarm get instant kidneyed on trinket

[frank knoll]

I did that today and still died

I feel like arms may have a better time into outlaw @nimble jasper

[warped warren]

i love prebannering kidneys

that still are full value

despite banner being down

[nimble jasper]

and still dying?

oh

[warped warren]

happened today

[lucid walrus]

spaghetti code guardian delay incident

[warped warren]

oooo he prebannered the kidney, but it didnt do anything

[frank knoll]

Turns the 7 sec kidney to a 5 sec kidney

🙃

[warped warren]

thats orc racial

parrying to avoid kidney but get grappled through and kidneyd before i can react and turn around

[raw summit]

outskilled innit

[full quiver]

I sat 6s clone yesterday with banner down and was malding

Like hello

[nimble jasper]

ngl i wish i was human in rdruid matchups

just to stop the bash clone

[spice hornet]

Lol I was just missing human rn

Then I remember how rmp abuses me

And disarm

[elder wigeon]

How would human stop bash clones?

[spice hornet]

Relent

[nimble jasper]

it stops bad druids from getting reclone

moreso

also lately bunch of aids ass rdruid players

who also entangle after

[elder wigeon]

You’re saying the rele makes it hard for them to time the 2nd clone?

[nimble jasper]

i mean it does for boosted monkeys

[past jolt]

Tbf it’s meant to have a slight delay, I’ve been cloned when I have reflect up , it’s a latency thing

Banners a projectile just has very short time to go

[elder wigeon]

It’s a spell batching issue

[frank knoll]

Are there people out there that know how to take advantage of stuff like latency

“I know if I clone at this exact time 4 milliseconds after he put up reflect my clone will still effect”

[full quiver]

Lol

[past jolt]

It’s usually me spamming it out of another cc

And cc is weird in that they have built in periods so ppl can chain them like clone there’s a small delay in between them

That allows Druids to chain them

[humble frost]

hey guys as arms are we really ever weapon swapping for shield block?

[raw summit]

turbo griefs ur damage

so i wouldnt

[humble frost]

True ill just avoid it

[past jolt]

Turbo ?

[full quiver]

What if banner lasted 4s, was immune to damage and Cc expired 100% faster during it

No more spell batching 😏

[raw summit]

warrior + enhance

[scarlet barn]

Ehm. I think you two misunderstood each other

[raw summit]

oh i c

[past jolt]

Wasn’t u responding to weap swap q

Idk

It is true about turbo being warr enhance

[elder wigeon]

you'd still get batched

I can't tell you how many blinds and kidneys I've bannered that didn't work

[full quiver]

Nah I mean you put it down even after Cc is out and the cc just expires 2x as quick

[lucid walrus]

probably has to get its cd smacked in that case

[wheat crane]

sigh

last 3 shuffle

guy gwith 80k health gets run over in 3 globals

leaves after round 1

i just want my fing daily win for flux lol

[pseudo yoke]

is conq wep first prio as fury?

[wheat crane]

4 pc > weapons >everythign else imo

[pseudo yoke]

can the pc be made from conq gear?

*4pc

[wheat crane]

yea

[sharp meteor]

Yes, just throw it in the converter.

[indigo barn]

How to fight double affli/healer as ret/warr/rdruid

[sharp meteor]

very carefully

[spice hornet]

You all in heals

Otherwise you probably lose

[past jolt]

My healer gas lighted me into going fury

I didn’t have fun

Fury feels awful pressing anything but RB and rampage or execute on SD is usually the wrong decision

[chrome silo]

What's TSG like atm?

[past jolt]

Good

[sharp meteor]

Feels nice.

[past jolt]

It’s nice when you can punish a healers bad positioning

Can simply kill a Druid whose playing too aggro with grip and stun into silence

Or any healer but Druids my fav

[nimble jasper]

good if you can find a dk

that would play that over npc cleave

[gentle roost]

so is fury better than arms rn?

or did it swing back to arms?

[spice hornet]

Hero? Kekw

Or demo dk

[gentle roost]

which spec is better currently? arms or fury?

[chrome silo]

Do you think arms/frost tsg would be viable or just stick to fury/unh

[past jolt]

Unholy man, frost is not good haha

You’d have to be like

A god to even come close to being unholy

Skill cap is lower too so I don’t see why you’d do it, it’s like the reverse of warrior where fury is the frost arms is the unholy

The spec with more things to press is worse for us and the spec with less is better

[chrome silo]

Lol that's fair

[gentle roost]

so arms is better than fury?

[past jolt]

well you just didnt read my rant at all

check the god damn ladder bro and tell me if its arms or fury

[gentle roost]

you said unholy is good

I mean I have a DK and I am gearing him up but what about my warr?

[bitter walrus]

yo boys, on a fury warr does intervene spell reflect still work for like fear or clones?

[warped warren]

no

[bitter walrus]

ahhh

[lucid walrus]

vene reflect was removed in season 2

[spice hornet]

Sad they pruned that talent

Was a good trade off to risk intervene a spell only to not have it for your partner as a peel shortly agreed

After*

[lucid walrus]

i think it was a decently sized opportunity cost for what it was

[spice hornet]

Yup

[lucid walrus]

moreso if vene was like 3sec from the start

[past jolt]

oh ya it had a cool name too

overwatch

current fury wouldnt event ake overwatch

mongofck tards

[lucid walrus]

dead franchises aren't tht cool imo

[past jolt]

cool name tho

for the talent

the game is whatevs

[lucid walrus]

for sure lmao

had a decent skillcap to it

"get a shot at reflecting one (1) cc" vs "cover an entire kidney's worth of damage" in s1

[past jolt]

they could have raised the cd to 45 seconds or something

ya

[lucid walrus]

treating it as a 20% DR external and/or mobility still has merits for sure

[past jolt]

i think intervene as is rn is in a great state tho

well

some may say it's busted still

but it has a skill cap

i mean as fury it can be pretty braind ead, fury makes warrior look bad rn

i really wish they hadnt abandoned sl

could be a great game

in these last few months

[lucid walrus]

"s4 is an arcade mode" is also just code for the game being abandonware yeah

[past jolt]

damn

theres likes uch obivous fixes to make

remove all the 1 shots

[spice hornet]

Took them all of s3 to nerf the sepsis conduit lol

[past jolt]

ww 1 shots, affli 1 shots

[spice hornet]

Fucking kek

[past jolt]

resonator nerf

reduce prot pally healing again bc it's boring to face in 2's or 3's

even tho its still not great

remove the uncc'able part of guardian druids incarn

its so simple

remove 4 set interaction with reckless abandon

if fury didnt have that i think tehy'd be fair

this is like condemn with death sentance all over again

[spice hornet]

Furry needs it

Prot dmg is high and so is guardian

[past jolt]

arms feels like a really balanced spec

nothing else feels fair

[sage raptor]

S2 unholy

[past jolt]

i literally only feel like im fighting a fair fight when its another arms LOL

if it's 2's, stuff like ret pally and fury warr, almost all casters outside mage

i can beat all that with ease

[sage raptor]

In terms of pvp as a whole, this is about as balanced as its gonna get.

[past jolt]

but take it to 3's

and ret warr is disgusting

turbo gross

dh dk nasty

rmp silly

boomy affli lame

rps gay

[sage raptor]

So many good comps

[past jolt]

ye but bc of the way the meta is, the good players have just developed the hit and run strategy i watched pet kick stream his dhdkrsham they just hidin a corner against ret warrior until abomb was up on small maps

ill say this

ret warr is kinda good for the game bc they're the only comp that doesnt really do that

turbo i guess doesnt either

[spice hornet]

Ret warr so boring to play

I like warr spriest, TSG can be fun

[past jolt]

i heard gavel dhdk is disgusting on eu rn

[nimble jasper]

i have yet to be oneshot by a ww

since season 2

the shit is so scripted

[past jolt]

i mean

did u really take

1-shot literally

it snot like a literal 1 shot it's a 2 second 100-0

[nimble jasper]

yeah

its incredibly easy to stop

idk

[past jolt]

how

[nimble jasper]

cc monk on his pop

[past jolt]

grapple

what do u do

[nimble jasper]

the keefers window is only 6sec

healer can cc monk too

[past jolt]

grapples u before the go

cant stormbolt

can only fear

45 sec grapple

[nimble jasper]

what monk grapples for that

whoever isnt being gone on just ccs the monk

[past jolt]

pre-grapple go so he can't die peel if hes doing it ons oemone else?

[nimble jasper]

on his pop

[past jolt]

oh ya have the resto shaman use his cc on the monkey while being trianed

dude thats so ridicilous

healers hate u

[nimble jasper]

i havent died to a monk since early season 2

[lucid walrus]

tell a disc in the nicest way possible that he should be healing me instead of MCing the other priest during a vend go

he just qs another and logs when it pops

[nimble jasper]

earthgrab

is a thing

[past jolt]

ok eathgrab and he legsweeps

What do

[nimble jasper]

fear monk on his pop

[past jolt]

ok so hes got that up every 1 minute

u got a fear every 90

so hope for the best in between?

[nimble jasper]

stormbolt

[past jolt]

disarmed

[nimble jasper]

disarm is a global

[past jolt]

good monk willd isarm u

[nimble jasper]

legsweep is a global

so….

[lucid walrus]

ngl i've never seen a monk offensively disarm in any sense other than killing through parry

[past jolt]

his dmg is done in 2 seconds

[nimble jasper]

that too

[past jolt]

it's preemptively stopping peels

that's bc ur facing terrible monks dude!

[nimble jasper]

no monk does that

[past jolt]

ok

they dont do it

[lucid walrus]

correct

[nimble jasper]

monk sweeps you instantly cc him on it

because hes gonna go

or you can do it when he chucks his bonedust tbh

[past jolt]

monks arent even a problem for a warrior in 2's, i'm talking about game balance dude

why are u thinking this is about fucking 2's

the guy has a partner in 3's

[nimble jasper]

3s you have a partner too

[past jolt]

their go can rng one shot u

there's no coutner argument

[nimble jasper]

its not rng

[past jolt]

take that out o fhte game

[nimble jasper]

at all

[past jolt]

it is

[nimble jasper]

what rng is there to a keefer’s go

its 50% crit 30% haste roided up

on their rsk+sck

or fof

you have 3 globals to stop him

the bonedust gcd

the sweep gcd

[past jolt]

first of all, it's not just the keefers it's the entire BDB window, if he lands a series of lucky crits after keefer's it's very difficult to predict

[nimble jasper]

and the tiger palm one

[past jolt]

it's unhealthy for the game

theyy're just 1 one problem

[nimble jasper]

you are not killing someone

[past jolt]

im not even saying

[nimble jasper]

outside the keefer’s window

[past jolt]

they'er hard to beat for me

[nimble jasper]

except bots

[past jolt]

then i watch alot of bots

and im a bot

bc i see it all the time

[nimble jasper]

hasnt been rng since season 2 when they could unironically

onetap you outside keefer’s

with random procs

but that was because dance of chiji procs erased half your hp without keefers proc

[past jolt]

again

not the point bro

it's one example

of a dozen

double tab with locked and loaded

[nimble jasper]

disarm doubletap

????

[past jolt]

LOL

why does a warrior need to be involved

are u like that insane

[nimble jasper]

idk you’re complaining about one of the most scripted onetaps ever

first monks

now mm hunters

[past jolt]

ya

[nimble jasper]

aff lock you have a point

they just rot you hard all game

[past jolt]

bc they're not scriped when they're literally all over the top of the ladder

good players get killed

bad ones do

[nimble jasper]

no one plays mm at higher mmr

its a 1600 player killer

why play it when surv and bm exist

monks are actually good its just they die to any rmp with one braincell

[past jolt]

ok

nobody plays mm at high mmr

[nimble jasper]

mm is one of the specs you see in meme oneshot montages

[nimble jasper]

of bullying 1600 players

[past jolt]

its all god damn marks

whens the alast time u pvped mitch

[nimble jasper]

2 weeks ago

[past jolt]

like i feel like its been awhiel and im happy for u but

clearly u dont know

[nimble jasper]

still a surv at the top

[past jolt]

yeah man stilla s v at top

great

good talk

[nimble jasper]

https://check-pvp.fr/ranking/us/all-realms/all-factions/3/253,254,255/all-covenants/rateatm3v3/desc/1

"all mm"

[past jolt]

almost all

ssds plays marks

that website is fried

75% mm

bc its not only scripted and cheesy

it's extremely effective

[nimble jasper]

pretty sure

[past jolt]

which is where things get bd

[nimble jasper]

they just play w/e they want

[past jolt]

no....they play mm cuase its busted and overpoweerd

[sage raptor]

You do get that freedom as a hunter

[nimble jasper]

idk anytime i see an mm im just like

free win

[elder wigeon]

not this season

[nimble jasper]

shit is so easy to shut down

[elder wigeon]

mm damage is completely off the charts rn

[past jolt]

ya it's not dude they play with a feral druid

whose rooting you, helping him reset, he feigns ur spear

yes disarm is really good to do for sure it is really effective againts double tap but they'll stillg et the tap off

and if they get a locked and loaded proc it's 3 aimed shots instantly

no counter play

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=194595/lock-and-load

[nimble jasper]

pretty sure its 2

not 3

[sharp meteor]

double tap is 2 then third from lnl if it procs during or w/e

[past jolt]

ye ye correct

it's 2 instantly

[nimble jasper]

yeah a base lock and load

doesnt give you 3 instant aimeds

[sharp meteor]

mm annoying with the root and scatter

[past jolt]

that's like

well if ur full hp

w/ careful aim

i think at least 1 of them is affected

[sharp meteor]

queue into outlaw/mm and just can't do anything

[past jolt]

im not sure if the other is

[nimble jasper]

surprised people arent playing that

but outlaw rmp prob still better

cuz mages are

mages

[past jolt]

people like sub fire

fast games

[nimble jasper]

sub fire

cringe comp

you mean more alot of mages cant function

w/o sub rogues

[past jolt]

fire mages can't function without a rogue yes

true

[nimble jasper]

no its the players

that cant

the spec 100% can

[past jolt]

well there'd be someone doing it

if that was the case lol

pretty sure if u wanna play mage outside rmp u do frost or arc

[nimble jasper]

why bother when rmp is just

miles ahead

[lucid walrus]

wmx mages are extinct

[nimble jasper]

people still didnt play outlaw fire last ssn

when vanish lego

let you double kidney

in one go

but ig

when your mage does zero damage outside bust

[past jolt]

warrior mage haha i feel like that was forever go

[nimble jasper]

outlaw fire doesnt work

[past jolt]

ago

[nimble jasper]

i.e NA mages

[past jolt]

but i liked it

[nimble jasper]

season 1 was

fire ww hpal

tho i cant think of one monk player

[past jolt]

yea they progressively nerfed the spec until it could only do the combust thing

[nimble jasper]

who thinks keefers playstyle is fun

oh great fish for a proc

[past jolt]

u can still do 35k dps in the combustion thing

thats all they care about

[nimble jasper]

now get stopped by any player with a brain

good mages bust late

[past jolt]

id ont think ww is any good fwiw its just a part of the not friendly player model atm

the oneshot is counterable, there are times where u just die thru everything tho and that part is true

[nimble jasper]

i mean if rmp wasnt s+ tier

ww would be

10x better

[past jolt]

could say that about lots of things

[nimble jasper]

yeah but that matchup

is so onesided its not even funny

[past jolt]

rmp changes how we play the game sadly

[nimble jasper]

you actively have to try to lose

as sub rmp vs wws

db images

nova images

gg monk got cucked

[past jolt]

i dont feel bad for monks, they've been really oppressive in the past, im fine they're gimmicky now

and die easy

it makes me happ

[nimble jasper]

ehh

[past jolt]

turbo fists

[nimble jasper]

most oppressive period was wod

[past jolt]

remember

turbo fists

used to stun u

[nimble jasper]

turbo fists still

[past jolt]

remmeber

[nimble jasper]

exists

???

[past jolt]

IT USED TO STUN U

[nimble jasper]

that was

heavy handed strikes

[past jolt]

ya

that thing

[nimble jasper]

thats not turbo fists

[past jolt]

ok

[nimble jasper]

completely diff ability

[past jolt]

that thing

ok

that thing

turbo fists was the thing they made to replace that

[nimble jasper]

was a bandaid

[past jolt]

so its completely fine to make that mistake

[nimble jasper]

cuz spec was poopoo in early bfa s1

[past jolt]

now focus on the oppression

[nimble jasper]

also the big part is

they removed healing elixirs

[past jolt]

that's good for me

[nimble jasper]

actually you cant talk peak ww oppressiveness

[past jolt]

i remember that fists stun

i dont live them

[nimble jasper]

without remembering

[past jolt]

like