pvp

[high sparrow]

ure spending talent points on a lot of stuff that literally does nothing now

like honed reflexes

0.5 cdr on pummel lmao who cares

another point on 5% attack speed

[warped warren]

5%as is good tho

[high sparrow]

2 points for 30% armor too

does nothing except vs other warriors since most melee specs are 90% magic damage anyway

[fickle forge]

Bruh

A lot of specs are phys oriented

[high sparrow]

other than outlaw mm and arms/fury which ones then

[fickle forge]

And it's not like your talent points lose value, you weight that between each talent unless they're pathed together

[fickle forge]

WW, BM, MM, Surv, outlaw, sub, arms, fury and then some individual abilities on specs like feral or DH

[warped warren]

armored to the teeth

[fickle forge]

Like it matters for sure

Not gamebreaking, but enough

[warped warren]

feral is all bleeds tho 🤣

dh is chaos

or dance might be phys

[high sparrow]

sub also ignores all ur armor and they're getting an absurd amount of shadow damage talents in df

[warped warren]

find weakness 🤣

[high sparrow]

guess armor is helpful not to get overkilled by 50% by a ww

now u only get overkilled by 30% idk

[warped warren]

what armor

[fickle forge]

We're dying to sweep rn though

Which is phys

[warped warren]

fake

[fickle forge]

Isn't find weakness like 30% pen?

And their shadow dmg is dependant on what they hit for with their phys abilities

[warped warren]

30% ye

[fickle forge]

Yeah, so your armor count still matters

[full quiver]

Lol

Armor don't do shit vs dh

[fickle forge]

For once Scoob man

Read further back than 3 lines before you respond

[warped warren]

ikr, cringe kargish

scoobey is a certified dh gamer

[fickle forge]

For sure 😎👍

DH legend Threeslotbag

[warped warren]

gg

[fickle forge]

Outplayed

[wheat crane]

Eh come play wrath for a bit till df

Prepatch is next week

[full quiver]

Oh yeah eto I forgot

10% of their dam is occasionally physical

🤣🤣🤣

Really helpful armor

I love how useful magic tattoos are for reducing wars magic dam that they can do with spear

🤡

[wheat crane]

Man i really hope they stick to this 1 set no upgrades for df

I no lifed the conquest set last week and even with just 1800 gear you just steamroll anyone whos even a little less geared

Shuffle went from kinda fun week 1-2 to just 2 shot anyone who has less then 90k hp

[near delta]

I've got full duelist gear now, and it feels like I'm cyberbullying these people

[wheat crane]

pretty much

[gloomy river]

Ye but people can fast earn full pvp set and weapon from unrated conquest and will stand chance, it gets you around 95k hp

I done same in 2-3 days, first it was not fun in s1 gear but now is enjoyable and im ready for rated stuf

[past jolt]

How’d you manage duelist rank as a warrior, seems like they’re having trouble 🤥🤥

[past jolt]

That’s true

If you lost hope with that obscene warrior tree you need ti find a new game Lmaoooo

Kitty is the highest rated comp on both na and eu ( mag and elswave)

Arms kitty

[simple rock]

massacre nerf seems fine when we're getting condemn

[full quiver]

Give me a feral druid

Oh wait they're unicorns

[near delta]

It was pretty difficult in 2s with a bunch of lfg healers ngl lol

[simple rock]

felt really good

but we got absolutely farmed by aff ele and outlaw aff

also played with disc

[past jolt]

I think they both swap between necro fury kitty and kyri arms kitty .

[simple rock]

which I think is not very good for it

[near delta]

It's kinda funny arms has been best with an off healer since last season but haven't seen too many people run kitty beside @elfin surge

[past jolt]

Disc is the best for it

[simple rock]

maybe my disc was bad but

we oomed a lot

or we didn't kill fast enough

[ancient sonnet]

What do you think best heals would be?

[past jolt]

The win window is PI + sickle

With banner or spear

It’s like a million damage

Eu comp is playing with kitty with rsham elswave tj and na is playing with a disc iirc

[simple rock]

1st time I played it was with hpal and it felt decent

but lower rated

[past jolt]

Seems ok

Blessing of summer would make it really fun

I wish kawhi played it in the awc

[simple rock]

any vods of someone playing vs mud or the EU kitty

mud not streaming any 3s

[past jolt]

Magnuz streams I’d assume he’s stream it

[full quiver]

He doesn't want us to see him queueing with prot pala

@elfin surge

[simple rock]

uh oh

stinky

[past jolt]

Prot pala is crap this szn I thought

[simple rock]

prot pally only good if you're the 1v9 godx

[past jolt]

28% haste feels so bad on arms can’t wait to get more crit

[simple rock]

yea I have like 25% crit 20% haste

feels really nice

[full quiver]

Muds prot is really good

Stungavung or whatever

[simple rock]

that guy does a lot of dmg

[past jolt]

Must be in wm

Sounds like too little haste cause on armory most guys are like 20% crit 23% haste

Outside wm

[simple rock]

yea in pvp setting ofc

[past jolt]

Sounds like pressing ip would be a bit harder on that level of haste bro

[full quiver]

Yeah he cdouches down at start of game and mud jumps on his back

[simple rock]

wdym, because less rage gen?

[elfin surge]

shut up @full quiver

[past jolt]

yeahhh part of the reason why fury annoys me is cause when i wanna press IP for mitigation like im sometimes choosing between letting my stacks fall or surviving

same with peeling or snaring it feels like youre highly encouraged to tunnel pve on fury

[full quiver]

If you press IP you doing something wrong haha

That's like last resort you're at 5% hp and healer has no out

[past jolt]

really? i press it as arms all the time

[past jolt]

i dont think im dead if i do it then

[full quiver]

As fury

If you're arms you use it all the time

[past jolt]

ah, i see lag do it alot

[full quiver]

Totally diff play style

[past jolt]

a decent amount at least

[sand shadow]

whaazz vs'd Els yday (kitty)

you need a sub to watch his or qwneers vods tho

[simple rock]

I only have 1 twitch prime

rip that site that let you watch sub only vods

[sand shadow]

Lontar prolly streamed it too, not sure if his vods are locked?

[spice hornet]

Hey @elfin surge I heard you’re one of the highest xp prot warriors around here, can you give me tips on what stats u running?

[elfin surge]

watch dekel stream if u wanna learn how to q tank cleaves or stat bug

[simple rock]

@elfin surge as kitty vs warr teams are you bolting warr or healer if you're going 3rd guy

cuz I was playing with priest and we can't cross him unless mc

vene fucks the whole go

[elfin surge]

usually off target

vs ret war i bolt ret maim war incap healer into clone

stuff like that

[simple rock]

cool

yeah bolting off target felt better

but someone I was playing with said that you guys specifically only bolt healer

sounded like cap

[full quiver]

I mean healer can mc war and you can bolt healer too

Or druid can double stun dps and you bolt healer

Lotta options

[wheat crane]

i played with a shitty feral a few days ago didnt really feel good at all

i guess shitty feral is pretty bad tho

its like one of those classes if youre not great at it dont bother

[ancient sonnet]

Feral has to do a lot in that comp

[full quiver]

In every comp they play lol

[lucid walrus]

i literally haven’t run bolt at all in my games ngl

my poor feral

[full quiver]

That seems omega sus

Lol

[spice hornet]

Feral mains

Definitely something off with them

[lucid walrus]

idk it’s actually worked out decently

[wheat crane]

i mean necro feral is fun to play

[lucid walrus]

mag apparently doesn’t play bolt much but idk what healer he runs. it’s sketchy with us having disc so no stun but like

[wheat crane]

i couldnt stand convoke feral

[lucid walrus]

we win cleaves lmao

[simple rock]

just perma dead vs jungle or cupid without heal

[elfin surge]

he qs disc kitty

🤣

[high sparrow]

gigachad move

[wheat jay]

magnusz gonna style on yo ass?

[spice hornet]

mag would never play prot warr

[full quiver]

LMAO

Magnus would put mud in the ground

[warped warren]

HAHAHAH

[elfin surge]

Magnuz would put Mud in the mud if they ever 1v1d real talk. Mud is an ok warrior but he’s not on the level of Bageeraz or Swifty talking about TBC / wotlk days. I find it hilarious that all thse zoomers look up to the current top warriors but trust if these warriors were to play vs old school warriors like klinda, swifty, baggeeraz, etc no shot.

[full quiver]

🤣

[spice hornet]

best pasta

who made that

[lucid walrus]

you see, arms (bad) is a good spec first tier of the expansion because at that point is better than fury (bad) because fury scales better (good) as the time goes on and you get more and more stats (scaling) every tier, so at the end of an expansion generally fury is better (good) because it scales (good) better

[spice hornet]

[elfin surge]

dozer on forums

i think

[spice hornet]

based

[lucid walrus]

dozer’s trolling got old sadly

[obsidian loom]

we're still using straddling jewel right?

[winged thistle]

banger

[obsidian loom]

chad battles

duel would go on for days

[past jolt]

Elswave is another level these days! I think you are one of the very best tho

[past jolt]

Whazz played with qweener?

[steep inlet]

Mud is life

[sand shadow]

yep

[past jolt]

He’s one of the great players

Yes

[past jolt]

Weird, I’ll say that subbing to qweener is probs not worth it if you just wanna watch vods, he only keeps like 2’s vods up

Very disappoint

[past jolt]

Like 5% speed gem? I don’t think so as fury highly doubt it

[obsidian loom]

i tested it out with the other speed gem with the move speed macro

seems to stack and get me up to 112%

[spice hornet]

move speed gems are rlly good for not getting 1 step behind, able to move to a healer faster to kick

[past jolt]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=184361/enrage

[obsidian loom]

im probably at diminishing returns with versa and haste so

[past jolt]

You move 10% faster as fury anyway + crushing blow charge makes you unkiteable as is

[obsidian loom]

idk if you've ran into surv/rdruids but brother we are very kiteable

[proven maple]

and monks

[past jolt]

You’ll never bear a good sv hunter in 2’s

Beat*

[obsidian loom]

even in 3s

[proven maple]

hunter/monk/druid all are worth speed gems imo

[obsidian loom]

i think its worth

[past jolt]

He’d have to do all the wrong things

[proven maple]

some matchups like fury zug fests though, don't need

fury mirrors are the cringest shit

[past jolt]

The 13 speed / gem is worth at full gems

[obsidian loom]

the +16 mast isnt going to help in a fury v fury

[past jolt]

It’s like 8% ?

[obsidian loom]

more iirc

im missing one slot and its +8

[past jolt]

Ya that’ll do fine

[lucid walrus]

i sit around 120% movespeed most of the time

[past jolt]

If a Druid is kiting you it’s cause he’s feral aff so just kill him

[lucid walrus]

feels like shit playing an alt without em

[past jolt]

Like your warr alt?

[lucid walrus]

ya

[past jolt]

Ya I understand

[lucid walrus]

main is orc w/ like full gems

alt is ally w/ less gems & less gear

[past jolt]

Moving fast feels more fluid but at the same time, that raging blow charge should make you unkitable when your bursting at least

[spice hornet]

till u get soulshaped on a tight pillar

[lucid walrus]

^

[spice hornet]

the speed is going to always outweight 2 +16 gems

[lucid walrus]

been hardlining arms this season anyway

[spice hornet]

a rogue cant run from me around a pillar or box to get a re because im too fast, my auto attacks will continue to hit him

[past jolt]

shrug, why not go fur the 3% speed gem at that point

ya'll crazy, none of these classes can kite a fury warrior, enrage makes u 10% faster as is

soulshape should make the person be able to kite you, it literally pacifies them and any action cancels it!

you want too much

[past jolt]

fully respect your want for the gems then

fury, i don't

[ancient sonnet]

does the rogue not use crip poison?

[lucid walrus]

always been a blood poison guy myself

[past jolt]

if you guys use the speed ring, the shadowlands speed gem, the 5% speed gem and have enrage up

that's like 35% faster!~

totally do that

[full quiver]

Used to do that on hunter then realized I don't need more speed lmao

[winged thistle]

HAHAHAHA

[fierce elm]

Mag kinda overrated ngl

[winged thistle]

fire gangsta gibbs gif tho

[fierce elm]

❤️

[lucid walrus]

your old droog playin on stream the other day was goated

[full quiver]

Why is mag posting in here

[elfin surge]

@winged thistle loses to me when im qing feral war 2s

[full quiver]

Sus

Mud >magnusz

But tuffman >mud

[winged thistle]

mud 1 and doned me

on thanksgiving day

[elfin surge]

q up this thanksgiving

see what happens

[full quiver]

😆

[winged thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-thanksgiving-costume-cute-pup-gif-23733898

[full quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/muddy-mud-pool-gif-12404095

[near delta]

Remember when people thought he was secretly nas lol

[spice hornet]

U lost to a prot warrior main?

[real cobalt]

My war is 286 6 crit 28% haste 31% mast 30% vers I seem to hit like a wet noodle are my stats off

[spice hornet]

Fury?

I’m full duelist on my fury I’m like 37.8% vers, 31% haste, 31 or somrthing mastery, 6 or 7 crit I forget

[real cobalt]

Yes fury I'm in honor gear plus 4 piece right now

[winged thistle]

Yea you’re in full honor gear

[spice hornet]

Missing a lot of str

[real cobalt]

So just do my best and uphrade gear haste vers or mast vers

[spice hornet]

haste toi 30%

[wheat jay]

just saw kargish playing 2s

and sub rogue used bomb and kidney

and priest mind controlled him

full

[near delta]

The subs priest?

[wheat jay]

yes

Kargish got kidneyed by sub

smoke bomb has been used

and preist playing WITH sub rogue

mind controlled kargish

full

[near delta]

Every time I play ww with an lfg rdruid they clone my sweep, bdb, and keefers every few games

[wheat jay]

yep

xD

[elder wigeon]

Can’t believe you let him do that

[wheat jay]

https://app.squadov.gg/share/ClamorouslyUnsuppuratedEvelyne

There it is xD

[hasty crane]

is Necro fury still the move for PVP?

[spice hornet]

just your average 2s priest right there

[elder wigeon]

Not in every comp, kyrian is excellent too

[nimble jasper]

why i say fuck playing sub healer 2s with lfg

[spice hornet]

guardians and prot paladins can literally run builds where they are doing as much dps as a normal dps

[elder wigeon]

@winged thistle how do you feel about necro arms for kitty cleave? or do you think kyrian would be better in most situations

[winged thistle]

Kyrian is king

[spice hornet]

y do locks cast eye of kilrogg

[simple rock]

it brings their pet back to them

[wheat crane]

Lol what

You can literally just keybind pet passive then resend

Why bother with eye

[sharp meteor]

despawns felguard

[wheat jay]

Resetting pet is better than having it walk to you

[spice hornet]

ahh

this ius back again

dude spam emotes too

through bark and SR

[elder wigeon]

oh lol that guy

plays with the blood dk yea?

[spice hornet]

yeah

nothingi can really do

dk repeatedly grips me only

such losers

[past jolt]

What’s wrong with that ? 😦 it’s not meant to be funny man

[spice hornet]

ok you just run double time and just try your best to repeatedly go to the lock

and just train him and the bad healer ooms and they lose

[past jolt]

I think the affliction necro is low key good too with night fall it’s the same dmg as those demo bolts but the affliction has way more in the tank than the demo

[spice hornet]

lol yeah ive ran into that in rbgs

[past jolt]

Affliction looks so fun but when I tried it with a lock I hated it

[lapis haven]

whats tthe reduced spear soulbind or talent?

spear of bastion

[past jolt]

You spend so much time applying dots

[past jolt]

Piercing verdict?

Or effusive anima accelerator?

[simple rock]

mikanikos end point

[past jolt]

I said it

[lapis haven]

whats best for pvp for reduced spear cd

[past jolt]

Oh now we’ve gone into the non English territory

[lapis haven]

does piercing verdict actually reduce CD?

[past jolt]

It’s effusive anima accelerator bro

Don’t make me type that again

[lapis haven]

ok

[past jolt]

Or I’ll go Gucci mane on you

[lapis haven]

https://tenor.com/view/showing-off-gucci-mane-dissin-the-dead-song-flexing-jewelry-bling-gif-26497724

[wheat crane]

Its a little lower

Its like 20-25k shadowbolts

Coupd probably crank it up a notch if you go all in but its definitely not hitting 60k demonbolts

[past jolt]

I’ve gotten hit with back to back 50’s

38% cersa!

[wheat crane]

You sure it wasnt just deathbolts?

The modifiers on shadowbolt are so low

[past jolt]

100% I had to look up what he was doing the death log was 53k shadow ball crit into another 51k

It was night fall decimating bolt

And I gotta think about what leggo not sure if he was running one for shadow bolt specifically

[wheat crane]

Oh true crits coupd push it up, most locks have 0 crit tho

Probably some gimmicky mastery crit necro build

[past jolt]

https://ptr.wowdb.com/spells/339576-withering-bolt

This conduitbtoo

He ran

[wheat crane]

I know i have a lock lol

Im just saying normally the build youre gonna see 20-25k shadowbolts

53k is outrageously high

[past jolt]

So I guess with phantom corr agony ua on me it’s 80%, coulda had 5 with siphon talented, 100% - 50% from night fall 100% from decimating bolt

Could be a 250% mod

It’s also not nerfed in PvP like necro demon bolts are

Those are only 70% bigga

[wheat crane]

thats what im saying

the base dmg on shadowbolt is liek 2k

[past jolt]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=337122/malefic-wrath probably was running this pve leggo

I’m telling u I was hit by this I’m talking about the blizzard default recap death log

I was lining dark soul with my dps partner our priest got caught in a horrify I peaked out of line at like 90% hp to sanc our healer on my pally and I got 2 hit

[past jolt]

Now I couldn’t believe it either but I had to take a hard look at the facts and say this is true this happened

[elder wigeon]

@winged thistle one more thing, sorry, do you still prefer high vers? I just made my chest tier and enchant/gem all crit, idk how you feel about that

[past jolt]

I think every warrior goes for at least the 2nd soft cap on vers of 39%

He’s currently playing the triple leap leggo boundless stride, 3% move speed gem, speed ring, and 13/ socket gem, strangely no 5%?! But that’s enough to tell me he’s just doing what he finds fun not necessarily what’s optimal lol

[spice hornet]

why are nahj aegis and their priest at 2300 all day

dont get it

[sharp meteor]

if u can't get good queues on main or queues at all no sense bricking

so hop onto first or second set of alts

[spice hornet]

imp curse on me all game

lowkey broken

[sharp meteor]

can rip it off with bloodrage can't ye

[spice hornet]

imp curse of weakness

[sharp meteor]

oh that

ya no crits

[full quiver]

Lol

Cringe locks smh

[near delta]

Noice lmao

[near delta]

I played against this demo last night that kept hard casting demonbolt. I thought he was running that cheesy build so I tried to just kick demonbolts. Turns out he was zoo build and bad. Lol

[full quiver]

🤣

[glass orchid]

Is it still worth running the 262crafted over 311 just for move speed? I can’t really gauge the importance of being 7%faster than everyone else since no one seems to run it vs losing the stam and vers/haste

[near delta]

Not really. You're giving up almost 50 ilvls to be marginally faster.

[sharp meteor]

That's a lot of item levels.

[near delta]

Indeed

[lapis haven]

what pvp talents do i generally want to go for rbgs?

when its heavy melee i use disarm warbringer and slaughterhouse

i took storm bolt in a rbg do i typically want to take that or shouldi tick with double time?

[elder wigeon]

depends on how much cc is in your comp, generally no double time is better

i rarely take disarm unless you're playing defense on a FC map

and you're actually trying in coms with a group

if it's a yolo I wouldn't ever think to play disarm, just play damage talents

[full quiver]

Don't play fury

Ms gets knocked off by so much shit

[lapis haven]

yea i do weekly rbgs with a comms grp in guild

[craggy socket]

Who do I focus against the retard cleave MM/Sub in 2s

This shit is so fucking dumb to play against

[narrow barn]

worth going haste after 30% for fury?

or just keep pushing it

[glass orchid]

Prob mastery

As 3rd stat after haste/vers

[past jolt]

No

You can hold onto it

Maybe use it sometimes?

[elder wigeon]

the move speed isn't worth the health and stat loss

[undone pumice]

but thunderfury!

[wet scarab]

it's not that bad their entire set up is about getting you in a smoke bomb

[past jolt]

Magnuz is using it in his speed set…. Watch ur words bro

[wheat jay]

Move speed is the best

You want to be zooming around the arena

The next time you get outrunned by a dk or warlock you'll remember that speed ring exists

[warped warren]

🤣

[elder wigeon]

cope to think 6% movement speed is gonna help you close the gap against a class that can't be slower than 70% while you're 70% chainsed

[warped warren]

^^^

99% slowed

bro the speed ring surely wouldve helped you

🤣

if anything, play bounding stride

i started doing that into wlocks atleast

9/10 wins so far

[sage raptor]

Wasn't there a screenshot of A New Deal giving 2500 honor or am I high?

[ancient sonnet]

It gives 3k once you're gotten all the trinkets. Until then it's 500 and a choice of trinket. After all trinkets you get 2500 + the original 500 instead.

[warped warren]

so i should buy all trinkets?

[ancient sonnet]

Not sure if buying them removes them from the quest rewards.

[sage raptor]

Oh shit

Well now my alts don't need the honor now lol

[warped warren]

[elfin surge]

[gloomy river]

ok wtf, i just died in 3sec stun vs convoke feral, i thod convoke bulshit is over in this game, thats why i left in s2. i got 38% vertisality and had more hp than him

:V

[warped warren]

you take turns trinketing to stop it, granted youre cross ccd

[gloomy river]

i mean it was only scrimish , and ye i will insta trinket but i just was surprised

i was like, meh il sit this 3 sec stun, and poof i was dead lol

[warped warren]

btw
gg i was the feral

[gloomy river]

nasty

[elfin surge]

@gloomy river isnt cool convoke is a shorter cd than your trinket?

🤡 game

[gloomy river]

lol

[raw summit]

Just have ur ret Trinket u

[brittle wraith]

So is fury pressing IP now? I see way more people running the conduit

[raw summit]

If ur dying

But it costs u a lot of pressure

[lean burrow]

fury gaming

arms nerfed to hell in DF

no future for warriors

[high sparrow]

fury also got giga nerfed

and without tier set and crushing blow charge i dont think fury is ever going to be this powerful anyway

[craggy socket]

Warriors got nerfed already for DF? lol

[high sparrow]

they needed to be nerfed because they were doing 2-3x the dps of every other c lass

but the way blizzard went about it was they nerfed literally everything, spells and talents, by like 30-50% blanket nerfs

[craggy socket]

Oh they just got tuning nerfs or outright nerfs to their trees?

[near inlet]

Hello there; I was undecided between fury warrior and dh in 2s. I played dh first 2 seasons. I took a break in season 3.
I really like the mobility of dh. Is it worth playing fury in pvp or should I continue with dh?

[craggy socket]

did they butcher the talent trees or overhaul theM? they looked amazing

[high sparrow]

both

[craggy socket]

What did they butcher...

[high sparrow]

some talents legit feel completely useless now

[craggy socket]

Great

[high sparrow]

like honed reflex reduces cdr on overpower and pummel by 0.5s, literally irrelevant and u have to take it anyway cos its pathing required

2 points for 30% armor if u want avatar

[craggy socket]

Yet rogues are untouched and will be gods

[high sparrow]

massacre nerfed to 25% instead of 35%

frothing berserker was already bad and now it only refunds rage u spend on mortal strike, so its yet another dead talent u'll prob take cos theres nothing else better anyway

[craggy socket]

sadge

[high sparrow]

rage generation overall got like halved too

[craggy socket]

DH looking good lmao

[high sparrow]

warriors probably gonna be strong still dont get me wrong

but most talents feel bad now

[craggy socket]

Theres still time to revert and make other changes

[high sparrow]

war machine was 50% rage gen, then nerfed to 25% and now its 10% too lol, furious blow is 5% attack speed

[craggy socket]

seems blizzard is listening to feedback tbh

[high sparrow]

what confuses me the most is sword spec nerfed from 20% crit dmg and 10% crit chance to 10/5%, but mace spec which was left untouched, and mace spec is what pvers were playing anyway

so it seems like a pvp focused change, considering it was already a bad talent in pve

warriors still looking more fun in df purely off the fact u can have stun / mobility / heal all at once in df, as opposed to now

altho losing ignore pain is gonna feel bad

[craggy socket]

Im pretty hyped for DF every class looks fun

No conduits, no borrowered power bullshit, no dumb grinds

playable alts

[high sparrow]

yeah for sure

[sage raptor]

Get your gear and go

Can't wait

[craggy socket]

Yeah for real bc WoW is super fun once you got the gear

Its just....painful to play more than 1 toon

[ancient sonnet]

Especially now with the conq cap being removed. Everyone's got like 15k hp on you even if you were in full gear the season before.

[near inlet]

Thanks for answer. Still not sure which to choose

[past jolt]

I think tuning on alpha is really irrelevant for class balance in the actual first season, that’s why they do a alpha and a beta

So I wouldn’t get everyone all doom and gloom bc they tuned out of whack shit on alpha

This wasn’t out and needed to be nerfed

You still get spear and signet and impending victory and storm bolt and double time and leap and boundless stride

And intavene

Idk if anyone here has alpha but I noticed they kept the skull banner tooltip exactly the same as mop outside the “ you can intervene to your skull banner “

[lethal sandal]

hello, quick question: if i reach 2100 this week, can i upgrade the gear next week without playing a ranked game?

[ancient sonnet]

no

[lethal sandal]

thanks

do i need a win in the next week or is a loss sufficient?

[lean burrow]

they could nerf only damage but keep the feelsgoodman talents like free executes, massacre, battlelord

[high sparrow]

Ye thats what i mean

A lot of the talents feel awful now, u just put ur points into them anyway because u have to

[high sparrow]

Proccing a sudden death in execute literally does nothing now

Great design

[lean burrow]

warrior designer at blizz got fired

and rogue main is now in charge

[ancient sonnet]

You'll need to have a win where you finish above 2.1k to be able to upgrade the following week

[lethal sandal]

thanks a lot

[ancient sonnet]

np

[craggy socket]

Warriors are 10x more fun than DH imo

[craggy socket]

Oh stop. Its alpha.

[wheat crane]

Yea i really wouldnt get to riled up about % dmg tunning

The only shit thats dumb is like nerfing massacre from 35% to 25%

Dead talent now

[amber harness]

ret war as fury or arms? cant judge what feels better

in 3s

[lean burrow]

Just go fury

Unga boonga

[amber harness]

probably should since I went for haste gear anyways

I have my unity legendary as crit/vers tho, is that dumb?

[lean burrow]

There probably won't be games where you'd think "damn, if only I was arms"

And if there are, you are more experienced than me

[amber harness]

well the giga executes are kinda pog

[lean burrow]

[amber harness]

well I often thought arms has better support

which it does

[obsidian loom]

I've heard this cope for 3 expansions now, you'll be saying "they'll fix it in 10.1" soon

Meanwhile, rogues and warlocks who screech on Twitter get a ton of attention while classes without spergs accept their mediocre design

[thick reef]

it does better ultility i think

u can run both fury feels like more damage and more pressure. arms more utility tbh

[craggy socket]

I mean we dont have borrowered power to balance, Im pretty sure its going to be alot different this xpac.

[obsidian loom]

[sage raptor]

We already seen how quick they nerfed warrior

It's in alpha sure but it's still funny

We didn't even make it to live lol

[high sparrow]

just like in the sepulcher ptr

fury was super strong on a simbait build so it got dumpstered before it even got to be tested live

god bless

[past jolt]

man...

you could get die by the sword, enraged regen as fury... the kyrian phial clone, shockwave, spear, im spear, signet

it wasn't ok

warrior is still looking to be incredibly strong

[sage raptor]

Yeah for sure but my point was how quick they changed things. Even now warrior stills looks good although it could use some TLC like every other class. Also yeah the fury tree was too good to be true lol

[past jolt]

have you seen the paladin tree haha

they literally got nothing

[sage raptor]

Isn't the hpal tree not even out yet?

[past jolt]

its not like

out on third party calcs

bc its not put into the actual alpha

but it's known what they're getting

it's more the class tree that's horrific with ret

Like Warrior, you're no longer having to choose between Caviler (=Double Time for Paladins steed) or Unbreakable Spirit (defensive options), you get a choice of rep and blind and short hoj so in that way it's similar where ur able to pick up all these things you previously had to choose between

but that's kinda where it stops

[obsidian loom]

@elfin surge

YOU KILLED ME

feels bad man

[clear wharf]

how do i remove the 2004 UI from the left side of my screen for RAID UI in BG ?

[spice hornet]

Was @elfin surge on prot again

[thick reef]

yea he prot cheesed him

LOL

[lean burrow]

you can remove border in Interface-Raid profiles settings

that's the worst part of default raid frames anyway

[clear wharf]

thank you!!!!

[obsidian loom]

he 100-0'ed my LFG healer in a stun

with like 0 damp

i was in narnia killing the other heal

[lucid walrus]

unreal to me how bad the average outlaw is

[high sparrow]

hard class to play, unlike those braindead warriors

[lucid walrus]

fair enough

[lean burrow]

it's really hard to press kidney shot every 20 seconds

[clear wharf]

this is like some zoomer chat, im confused, mad and intrigued

[lucid walrus]

wym

[high sparrow]

yes sir

and evasion every 45 seconds

[lean burrow]

and feint every 5

[high sparrow]

could prob make a castsequence macro of their cc / defensives and it'd work

[lucid walrus]

tbf you gotta be brave to deal w/ the heightened risk of carpal tunnel

vanish sepsis also real hard to pull off

though that's a sin thing

[high sparrow]

how could you forget the hardest of them all tho

100-0 someone every 20 seconds in a cheap dr

[lean burrow]

shadow dance eviscerate every go

while mage spams poly

four-digit iq gameplay

[high sparrow]

dont forget

when rogue mage does cross cc its insane gameplay

when ret warr does it ure still awful

[lean burrow]

ret warr press one button each

rogue mage press two buttons each

[clever fern]

for 2s, necro stilll > kyrian?

[lean burrow]

whatever you like more

since 2s has hunters rogues and locks

I'd say necro is better

[elfin surge]

get farmed

[obsidian loom]

Sadge

[elfin surge]

https://clips.twitch.tv/MoistChillyLegWOOP-7EbMwtTb57XzWTYR

new conduit for fury war

better than depths btw

should change

[sharp meteor]

It does offer some much needed finishing power.

[elder wigeon]

kinda hard to slot that in when you're an arms warrior @elfin surge

currently slamming some 60k executes

[past jolt]

but it doesn't charge you to your target .....MONKAHM

lfg 2's is really depressing, it's like every other game it's some weird comp with a weird covenant combo that the healer doesn't know about and we die because teh random healer didn't know what sinful brand is or what sepsis is or what trueshot resonating arrow is or what fea transfusion is

i dont like that kinda thing, feels gatekeepey

[elder wigeon]

improve your play get higher rating, get access to better players

[past jolt]

nah it's not that, i don't wanna teach randoms how to play i just wanna farm conquest on my alt

i play weirdo hours my friends don't really play the game anymore either the pvp ones

[elder wigeon]

contributing to the problem

[past jolt]

honestly that type of answer is what i'd expect from a demo lock playing decimating bolt with an affliction lock playing decimating bolt - become better at the game

it's dumb bc there's no outplaying your healers being unprepared for the 9000 oddball cheese comps

[elder wigeon]

weird how good players do

[past jolt]

i don't think it's a skill issue, no, it's the fact that this is the worst expansion to play a healer due to the insane amounts of burst and different ways you can build your character, even if you play perfectly, unless you've got the guy on voice or you brief him in the 40 seconds before the match starts abut xyz scenarios,

[clear wharf]

do u all pefer arms or fury overall

or tank

like wuts ur fave

[past jolt]

lfg in legion for example was very simple, not much oddball shit bc there were templates no leggo powers, it was way less gate kept

[clear wharf]

fury always seemed cool but im an arms dude, or tank

[past jolt]

me?

they both good to me

i think fury is slightly more effective

arms is kinda a hard counter to fury, so at least you have that going for u

[elder wigeon]

cope all you want, I LFG'ed all of my warriors to 2100 in 2's in the first week, it's not impossible, and you have to teach people if you want to improve your chances of winning, bitching here and saying the "git gud" response is something cheesers would say is pure copium

[past jolt]

oh well this is an alt, i didnt have max gear to start, but anyway im not insecure about it im not saying to get good btw? i never said that

im just sad about it

i like 2's

let me be sad

[elder wigeon]

it is what it is

everyone in here knows 2's is cancer

[past jolt]

it'll be better next xpac iif they do what they said they will

with a fixed ilvl of sorts and no borruwed power

maybe i could try to make macros tho for each match up

and like run them off

aff lock x dps : if he's running decimating bolt, nightfall, necrolord, he's going to try to one shot us with Shadowbolts 🙂

oh wait i actually cant i recently ran out of macro room

i wish i could make more

[elder wigeon]

stop the malefic raptures, is the big part

[past jolt]

it's never me who dies to cheese, been playing too much the past season and last szn its usually eh other guy who gets caught in mid in like a shadow fury dies

or like a horrify

i dont mind too much, if i really badly wanted the upgrade rank i'd just go fury and play with another dps

i just love arms

and the rotation with a healer

ive had a ticket open for 4 days now

i had put my socket on my s3 helm and not s4 helm, i had just gotten s4 helm and s3 helm was still on my character so when i right click the thingy, it opens my character panel up and the helm slot was the only thing not greyed out - and they have identical tooltip pics, so i put it on the s3 stuff (tho it explicitly states it can only be used on s4 gear)

so feels bad, no idea how u can socket s3 gear with s4 thing

[simple rock]

arms or die

played fury for a few games when we got farmed by aff

felt terrible

[past jolt]

are u spear or necro

[simple rock]

spear

fury is undoubtedly better most of the time esp into casters

just don't enjoy how it plays anymore

[past jolt]

i like arms more actually

with death sentance it feels great

and massacre

[sage raptor]

Prot is fun

[sharp meteor]

Dragon charge and the thunder clap root certainly are.

[simple rock]

bodyguard

[past jolt]

honestly

it used to be

it used to do bigger dam

now it just doesnt

inlegion it did good dam

like sorta like guardian dam tho, lots of poke dmg and support

now it does piss all and dies easy

[sage raptor]

If support was a spec, it'd be prot warr.

But with the class tree being what it is in DF, that goes bye bye

[past jolt]

I was just talking to a pal of mine

about how I think based on Evoker's kit

it may be the first true "support" role

[sage raptor]

Yeah I can def see how that could be the case.

[past jolt]

we got alot of dps specalize in off healing, but dps always comes first

but evoker seems like utility first, dps in pvp to me

[sage raptor]

I was thinking about that the other day actually

[past jolt]

i hope they have more like it

i also noticed they added a polished pvp talent thing on the wowhead calculator

i like how they removed alot of the mandatory choices like mortal dance and demonic origins for dh

https://www.wowhead.com/beta/talent-calc/demon-hunter/havoc

and isolated pray

i feel like this is how all classes should be, there shouldn't be anything like necrotic wounds for unholy, Slaughterhouse for Fury in the PvP talents, it should all be situational shit that you pick on a match by match bases

[uncut pollen]

is the pvp section recently added

[lucid walrus]

must've been

with that said blizz please replace shadow of the colossus with an actual fun talent

[steep inlet]

This isn’t true

I played prot in s3 for some times I had the dps dmgs

[past jolt]

Nono

Not like legion man

[gloomy river]

what is best honor to gold item to vendor, or how u guys spend excess honor

[copper hare]

excess honor, are you playing a different expansion?

[gloomy river]

ah i just came back to wow on vacation and nolife last few days to catchup

but ye i know what you mean, once i get more rating il need honor for upgrades but fornow im capped :v

[raw summit]

Shield iirc

[gloomy river]

thanks

[raw summit]

or get marks of honor and finish all pvp tmog

including weppies ur gna be spending like 40 caps worth for tokens id assume

[woven mural]

are gavel and jaithys any good in pvp?

[bright spire]

@woven mural

[woven mural]

seems pretty good

jaithys worth using?

[raw summit]

prolly not unless you have a high ilvl one

[sage raptor]

Phil is everywhere gyat dayum

[fickle forge]

Have you tried it?

Think prot can do decent dmg rn

Not prot pala levels, but decent

[raw summit]

im bad at all forms of content

[sage raptor]

Same but unironically

I wait until the current expansion is over to get transmogs because I can't raid

[amber harness]

any chance for venthyr fury to be good in pvp with deathmaker legendary or smth?

[wheat jay]

If you play vebthyr you're trolling

[sage raptor]

I'll admit. It is nice to not have an extra button sometimes.

If only it wasn't shite

[young ember]

how would warr+enh shaman be in 2's? jsut unga bunga at the enemy

[raw summit]

i might be able to complete mythic sofo tmog but CN aint happening

[amber harness]

funny priest can mind control you in a enemy warriors spear of bastion

walking you out causes you to disconnect

disconnected behind the corner gg

[spice hornet]

That’s just the random DC from MC

Has nothing to do with walking out of spear

[clear wharf]

i donmt get point of these "cast to throw" skills

[sage raptor]

Like shattering throw?

He's aiming

He's an orc. They're not good at this stuff.

[frank knoll]

Anyone use battle lord

[past jolt]

Ever since the buff to execute I don’t think condemn is as good

[near delta]

It definitely can work enh just has to do a good amount of off healing. I don't think it's as good as Ret/Warr since enh goes oom rather quickly.

[past jolt]

I think the only chance it ever has was sullied by the nerf to exploiter w/ venthyr

[spice hornet]

double aff is so fucking busted

[full quiver]

Lol

[spice hornet]

just train heals into that and either win or loss opener go next

the locks are pretty good won't get jammed easy

[full quiver]

What healer did they queue with

[spice hornet]

hpal

stands still on bubble in opener gets ahttered and dies

they just stopped qing once that happened twice in a row

or they got rid of him idk

but no way you will kill either lock with those cds rotating and no purge

[full quiver]

Lol

Glad you guys beat em

[spice hornet]

now theyre playing demo/aff

:/

[elfin surge]

He's a swine from me

[spice hornet]

yeah he told me whe nyou bodied him on prot warrior he had to change his name to that

[elfin surge]

Warlock doing 18k dps until he died

KEKW

[spice hornet]

they need that

[elfin surge]

they actually do

they do almost no self healing

and have no mobility

so they just insta die to any melee

[full quiver]

🐀🐀🐀🐀🐀

Oh god some locks got loose in the discord

[full quiver]

Show kicks

[spice hornet]

man this season is so dead. its the only keep qiing

[lucid walrus]

really does suck

wonder what cutoff's gonna be

[high sparrow]

low participation + 2 month season rlly gonna be low

[near delta]

I'm starting to think aff is a little overtuned.

[near delta]

I played against aff/destro last night on tol viron and it was brutal af lol

[spice hornet]

yeah at this point qing 2 of the same class just shouldnt be allowed

[full quiver]

🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

[elder wigeon]

2 of the same class if it's not the same role is fine although annoying

[frank knoll]

I remember Maldiva and Chanimal saying that the only way for Aff to be viable is if it does like 2x the damage of everyone else

[frank knoll]

I’m only doing BGs and 2s this season lol

[near delta]

It can also be throwing since they share drs and all that

[spice hornet]

subjecting yourself to 2s KEKW

3s isnt too bad the problem is the season is dead you just sit waiting 5min to fight the same team 10x in a row

jst wanna finish the glad wins and logout until DF

[frank knoll]

M+ feels kinda dead too

And way more ppl do that than PvP

[elder wigeon]

NA 3's isn't dead at all

[spice hornet]

i fought the same team 12 times at 2450 mmr then they stopped qing so we fought a 2200 team like 3 times

[elder wigeon]

xunamate showing like 2x the games of last season, maybe all the games are occuring at low cr and hardly any at higher cr

[frank knoll]

I want to go back to playing arms tbh

[spice hornet]

yes i think its just inflated at lower mmr due to uncapped conq spam

[elder wigeon]

play arms then

[spice hornet]

why is fire mage regularly running and spamming cc and livelording all game but somehow ends up at top dmg

[elder wigeon]

usually it's sub rogue

fire mages can't really do shit without a sub rogue playing the game for them

mage design is so abysmal and rogues are so overtuned and overloaded it's not even funny

[spice hornet]

yep

[small fog]

https://clips.twitch.tv/QuaintTrappedZucchiniTheTarFu-xlV7g1Uj9wxNN9rh

Is this damage normal for you guys? I feel like I never reach this on the opener, even when they stand there like a target dummy

Prot was Necro too

[copper hare]

And now they tripple everyones dmg, I think they are DECENT

[sharp meteor]

ya that guy is unreal

trinket ports spear with like half a second on the stun

or ports point blank points

[past jolt]

Arms is great

Fury may be just better at just about everything objectively but some ppl are better with arms

[near delta]

Trying to gear up my ww alt I got to 1650 before conq was uncapped

All these hardstuck peeps in 2s are like raidbosses with so much extra gear lol

[past jolt]

Indeed

It’s very frustrating with an undergeared healer into double dps. I’d say my wr is 95% against healer dps and 40% against double dps

If it’s double melee I can do enough to win the game despite being unprepared but if it’s like something with a caster and a sub rogue I can only do so much

[spice hornet]

Would anyone agree with me if I say that demo lock feels like the ranged version of outlaw rogue

Gives me the same feeling of frustration when trying to kill them

Axe toss coil axe toss port axe toss gate soulshape axe toss coil

[near delta]

Pretty much. Outlaw/demo is frustrating af

[elder wigeon]

demo doesn't even really hold a candle to outlaw in terms of control

much easier to kill too

[lean burrow]

offmeta meme spec that suddenly became OP and unkillable?

[sage raptor]

Now if only demo was as strong as outlaw was in season 2. It'd be a spitting image.

[past jolt]

I think that’s a big reach man, demos can’t do all that nonsense with infinite Omni directional mobility

[past jolt]

This is a reach as well, ofc you find demo easier to kill as a WARRIOR player.

Rogues shit on you and you can bully demo a bit, tho it’s not completely 1 sided like outlaw rogue vs warrior where there’s nothing you can do unless mistakes are made on the rogues end

Even with mistakes, it would be a massive upset to lose to a warrior as an outlaw

[elder wigeon]

I thought this was a warrior discord

outlaw hardcounters warrior in 2's especially with a monk or druid

[near delta]

May I say

Fuck prot pallys and anyone that queus with them

[sage raptor]

You gonna take me out to dinner first?

[copper hare]

At least I won some outlaw matchups with prot :D

[elfin surge]

[past jolt]

smart buddy

[lean burrow]

Bs on 9

8*

[undone pumice]

no but you will be in pain eitherway

[sage raptor]

Nuh uh

[spice hornet]

Lmaoooo

That a new ability they added to prot warrior?

Maldiva deserved to lose to that lol I like that guy but I swear he just qs the most annoying comps 24/7

Double lock

Vesper ele aff

Aff outlaw

[elder wigeon]

@elfin surge you prefer arms over fury in kitty?

[sinful dune]

Hello

Anyone here who can help me understand stats priority on fury warrior?

I just changed my warrior alt to fury to craft leggos and I see that everyone uses haste vers missives, yet some of them enchant rings with mastery or use mastery gems

I just understood the reason why they used mastery maces is that seems like there is no haste 2 handed weapons

But why do some top players enchant and gem mastery

why not stick with haste and vers?

[spice hornet]

Think at a certain point like around 30% they believe haste isn’t worth it and mastery better

Idk I’m gemmed all haste with haste enchants and I like it and have been successful with it

[valid copper]

hey gents, from what i read in the pins basically playing a pve setup is fine as fury ? (Kyrian + signet ) may s1 please be so kind to confirm its fine for 2-2 ? (with a rdrood)

[sinful dune]

Like normally my main class mage for example just stack haste and vers as much as we can

i even heard locks stack versa til 40%

So fury just dont go over 30?

[lucid walrus]

you can, it's just pretty much never advisable to go (far) below 30

[sinful dune]

Seems like the guy im checking out intentionally stack mastery

along with haste vers

https://murlok.io/character/eu/tarren-mill/gûzz/pvp#equipment

[warped warren]

mud is a fury player, dont trust him

[elder wigeon]

kek

[past jolt]

I feel like Arms Kitty is super strong but Fury probably wins out because Necrobanner kinda allows them to get out all the defensives they need before Berserk PI

ofc arms could play it too but they get not near the benefit as Fury does personally, I mean arms mastery isn't bad by any means pretty sure it just has poor conversion

probably can't extend it very much either like Fury can

[elder wigeon]

you can hit some nasty executes as necro arms though

so far my record is a 63K on a hunter

[raw summit]

mud is a prot main*

[copper hare]

It's a hunter, so he for sure deserved it

[copper hare]

the mastery is just a decent bonus for both specs, the strength conduit is what really fucks

[amber harness]

why fury when there is an outlaw

[fickle forge]

Arms and fury mastery benefit isn't too far apart

Arms mastery is fine really

[amber harness]

what about full mastery arms in rbg with the healing conduit

shit is probably "aura modified" to hell in pvp

[fickle forge]

Are you living in BFA?

[amber harness]

no actually didnt experience the op state of deep wounds

[high sparrow]

wasnt so much deep wounds being op

as everything else not doing damage

[amber harness]

thats sounds like proper blizzard balancing

[fickle forge]

Would imply arms was OP ye

[amber harness]

cant wait to see reasonable patches with their "more frequent patches" style

their big patches had zero quality

[fickle forge]

Thus far they push patches a lot for DF at least

A lot more than they did for BFA and SL

[amber harness]

well currently theyre actually behind in development and just listen more to community and make it transparent

the way it should be and many smaller studios did before

[fickle forge]

Small indie company

[amber harness]

maybe its just me but I liked warrior the most during WoD, rbg aoe/cleave felt great as both specs. arms rend spreading was pog

and siegebreaker as fury was the best shit ever

[gloomy river]

what are rumors, are they nerfing MM soon?

[wheat jay]

Is mm even good?

XD

[gloomy river]

i duno, is oneshoting people tru wall good

[wheat jay]

Like, good enough to deserve a nerf

[gloomy river]

its broken

[wheat jay]

Gotta peel my dude

[gloomy river]

i was just watching trilie stream, and had to go puke

dont get me wrong im emotinal and new to pvp in this expansion, maybe mm is not broken after all

[wheat jay]

Mm needs to try quite hard most of the time to get their full dmg out

[gloomy river]

when i saw him on 95k hp killing warriors with 111k hp tru wall got me upset

[wheat jay]

Excluding first go

You gotta peel his double tap and/or resonating

Disarm, stuns

All other forms of cc

Wall properly if you cant

[obsidian loom]

Double time and disarm: delay your open, charge hunter, disarm, he trinkets, you fear

[wheat jay]

Mm just exploits mistakes really hard

[obsidian loom]

You win every time

[gloomy river]

gota write that tip,thx

[wheat jay]

Id use bounding lol

[obsidian loom]

Don't disarm till you see trueshot or double tap

[wheat jay]

Bounding, storm bolt

Zoom zoom

[obsidian loom]

Then his go is fucked

[wheat jay]

Leaper

[obsidian loom]

Yeah you can do that too

Leaper is too sweaty

[wheat jay]

I am the sweat

[obsidian loom]

High nacl content

[wheat jay]

Indeed

[lean burrow]

always wanted to ask:

disarm is 6 sec long

double tap is 15 sec long

and it still stays after disarm is over

so why disarm?

just so the healer can get out of cc?

[sage raptor]

I mean

I don't like getting hit for 15 seconds with doubletap skull fucking me and healer ccd

[lean burrow]

but you'll still get fat double aimed shot after disarm is over

[sage raptor]

I'll be fineeeee

[near delta]

Finally got a decent set to run for arms and jesus it is back

[elfin surge]

😎

[sage raptor]

It never left

Have yall been smoking crack? Lol

[near delta]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsfnuyyjaB0

[amber harness]

pvp balancing/class design team needed to get slapped ultra hard already when warrior disarm was 4 seconds while rogue disarm was 6 seconds

warrior owned the original disarm and the only true one in the game beforehand and gets the inferior version of it while rogue is overloaded with cc options which dont even cost him any meaningful energy with the conduit

someone might say there is a huge difference between a good and bad RMP but a bad RMP still has so many options that any choices can still defeat a better skilled composition of enemies who just play classes with less overload of utility

[sage raptor]

pvp balancing/class design team needed to get slapped ultra hard already when warrior disarm was 4 seconds while rogue disarm was 6 seconds

warrior owned the original disarm and the only true one in the game beforehand and gets the inferior version of it while rogue is overloaded with cc options which dont even cost him any meaningful energy with the conduit. Someone might say there is a huge difference between a good and bad RMP but a bad RMP still has so many options that any choices can still defeat a better skilled composition of enemies who just play classes with less overload of utility

[warped warren]

?XDDD

[sage raptor]

But rogue had it since vanilla also

[warped warren]

sit max range, perma slow, press cds through pillars

[sage raptor]

I thought he was trolling so I ignored it

[high sparrow]

what set sir

[near delta]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/dalaran/ragestakhan Still need more crit though

[sage raptor]

I remember fighting that character on my alt account in season 2

I guess main account now

[lean burrow]

pvp balancing/class design team needed to get slapped ultra hard already when warrior disarm was 4 seconds while rogue disarm was 6 seconds

warrior owned the original disarm and the only true one in the game beforehand and gets the inferior version of it while rogue is overloaded with cc options which dont even cost him any meaningful energy with the conduit. Someone might say there is a huge difference between a good and bad RMP but a bad RMP still has so many options that any choices can still defeat a better skilled composition of enemies who just play classes with less overload of utility

[near delta]

What was your toons name?

[near delta]

Where did this pasta come from?

[sage raptor]

Warller

Undead dk

[high sparrow]

pvp balancing/class design team needed to get slapped ultra hard already when warrior disarm was 4 seconds while rogue disarm was 6 seconds

warrior owned the original disarm and the only true one in the game beforehand and gets the inferior version of it while rogue is overloaded with cc options which dont even cost him any meaningful energy with the conduit. Someone might say there is a huge difference between a good and bad RMP but a bad RMP still has so many options that any choices can still defeat a better skilled composition of enemies who just play classes with less overload of utility

[sage raptor]

It's something someone said here not long at all. Scroll up a bit and see.

[near delta]

Oh I thought that guy was just copy pasting lmao

[near delta]

Ah don't remember but season 2 was like 15 months tbf lol

[sage raptor]

It was also at the 1800 bracket lol

So

Probably longer

[near delta]

I started playing warr like late November so probably around then

[brittle wraith]

I main DK but made a fury for fun and my irl friend has an enhancement sham and a ret

Which do y’all have more fun playing with? I heard ret might not be as good this season

[lean burrow]

why can't you ask your friend which class he likes more

[sage raptor]

I play with my friends regardless what they play >.>

1h bdk for all I care

[brittle wraith]

My friend asked to me to ask y’all since he doesn’t have a preference and gearing sucks. What does everyone have more fun with?

[brittle wraith]

That’s bc you’re a legend Popo

[sage raptor]

Thanks :)

[lean burrow]

shaman because they get more respect

[sage raptor]

True

[brittle wraith]

We’re trying to unlock that new cr title “enjoying ourselves” so whatever works best for that

[lucid walrus]

turbo’s a good time, probably fares a little better in the caster climate too

[brittle wraith]

Thanks fam

[frank knoll]

What’s the best spec for 1v1

I feel like probably arms but I could be wrong

[lean burrow]

rogue/feral

idk

i heard those can duel well

probably sub rogue

[frank knoll]

I lost a 1v1 to a fire mage on my warr today. Pretty tilting

[lean burrow]

warrior < npc

in duel

[frank knoll]

Mages self healing is crazy

[lean burrow]

weakest class in duel

[frank knoll]

I’d chew through his barrier and then watch his health bar shoot up

[lean burrow]

priest counters mage pretty well

[frank knoll]

Ya dueling folks on my main demo lock vs my fury warrior is night and day

[sinful dune]

When do u use disarm or battle trance instead of warbringer?

[simple rock]

should only take warbringer if you're playing double time

[sinful dune]

rly?

[sinful dune]

I checked top 2s fury pvp talents and warbringer was thirdmost picked pvp talent so i thought it was one of the main 3

[lean burrow]

maybe double time gets picked a lot

[past jolt]

Warbringer I only like against the most niche shit

The damage itself is irrelevant

I play against double dps hunters in 2’s with double time

[elder wigeon]

warbringer damage is definitely nice as arms you can get yourself in situations where you drop someone from 50% health if you get a double crit charge execute, warbringer dmg as fury is kinda nuts

[past jolt]

I actually am unaware of how powerful it is, I’ve used it and the dmg it dealt wasn’t that good, I just liked that root aspect, maybe you can explain how to maximize its dmg

So I can learn

[raw summit]

Press charge during cooldowns

Stonks

[past jolt]

But I’m kyrian so I’m connected with the guy on my cds

Hopefully lol

[elder wigeon]

make sure you're enraged as fury for max dam, pmuch it

[past jolt]

I mean as arms

I don’t play any fury

[elder wigeon]

make sure they're csmashed, have deep wounds up and have other modifiers like avatar or conq banner

not hard to hit 30k charges on aff and mages

[past jolt]

Damn I’ve never hit that hard with it, probably cause I only have been playing it against hunters

I’ll try it more often

[elder wigeon]

I don't opt to play it that often, I prefer utility over pure damage a lot of the time

[spice hornet]

Warbringer root a priests life grip

[warped warren]

so does normal charge

[full quiver]

😎😎😎