pvp

[sand shadow]

shift was Walk

[warped warren]

he just doesnt have a pinky

[lean burrow]

[sand shadow]

but why would ctrl be uncomfy if also using shift?

[warped warren]

[sand shadow]

you just make sure that the binds there do not compete

as in, there are no scenarios where you need to press both ctrl AND shift

problem solved

[lean burrow]

ctrl is lower than shift though and that's uncomfortable

[sand shadow]

just like there was no scenario where I'd want to BOTH Walk & Crouch in cs 1.6

ok im done

[lean burrow]

that's when shift is for sprinting that it becomes hard

e.g. ctrl for crouch in call of duty would be bad

[sand shadow]

man, you better work on that shit

cuz them bitchiz need fingering every now and then

stop slacking

[lean burrow]

[sand shadow]

Can you sprint whilst crouching in CoD or sth?

[lean burrow]

you'd often need to crouch from sprint in cod-like games

so shift to C is better

[sand shadow]

you're not making sense, idk if you realize that 😄

[lean burrow]

[sand shadow]

so you just release ctrl and press Shift to sprint

its not functionally different from releasing C to press Shift

unless I am missing something specific to CoD

[lean burrow]

not from crouch to sprint

from sprint to crouch

[sand shadow]

ok, so you release Shift and press Ctrl, same shit just in reverse

[lean burrow]

it's not specific to CoD, it's just fps games where crouching and sprinting has some interaction like sliding

[sand shadow]

idk what sliding is, I don't believe CS has ever had that

[lean burrow]

then you stop sprinting and crouch in the same place

[sand shadow]

what

To move forward whilst sprinting, don't you need to hold W and Shift in your example?

[lean burrow]

CS is just an example of a game where ctrl is fine for crouch because shift has no effect on it

[sand shadow]

You'd just keep on pressing W, release shift and press ctrl in mine?

[lean burrow]

you hold shift+W to sprint, then you need to crouch -> it's easier to press C than stop pressing shift with pinky and press ctrl

[sand shadow]

am I being trolled or sth and im too boomer to undrastaend?

[lean burrow]

C for crouch is pretty standard in games

[sand shadow]

yeah, you should bind S for Sprint too

and F for Fire

[lean burrow]

F is usually interact or kick

[sand shadow]

Finteract

and Fkickf

[lean burrow]

Dying Light comes to mind with these controls

[sand shadow]

aight well, I guess it's hopeless then, mate

no keybinds

doomed

cant be done

[lean burrow]

this is a question of ergonomics

[sand shadow]

nah, not doing another round in your spiral of alternate universiness

😄

imo, ctrl is ergonomic enough as a modifier

[wheat crane]

mw a good 2s healer for us?

buddies debating between mw and hpal

[warped warren]

mw is pretty decent ye

but also has to play decent to not die to stuff )

while hpal has 4 lays, 15 immunities and freedom

[steep inlet]

Hpal succ

In 2s

Mega rng

Dispellable bop

Only heal when procs up

[sand shadow]

hpala is for sure the worst 2s healer for a warrior at high mmr

[steep inlet]

Yep

[sand shadow]

in fact, drainer is currently streaming hpala; has been hard stuck with a non-terrible DH at 2050-2100MMR for like 20 games now

and drainers hpal is top notch

if he logged his dudu, for example, it'd be completely different even though, imo, his rdudu is weaker than his hpal

[raw summit]

just get brain hpal

🧠

[sand shadow]

hpal is decent to good in 2s w/ an outlaw/WW imo

[raw summit]

although tbf idk how brain is in 2s

[sand shadow]

either somethng that can live on its own a lot, or something that truly benefits from even a momentary BoP

you BoP a fury warrior, and he still needs at least 5-6 GCDs to eviscerate something. You BoP a proper WW go, and the deed is done in a global or two max

[simple rock]

DH inting, dying, not running away, wasting cds

drainer 1v9 as usual

cannot do more

[warped warren]

feeding dh, cringe my eyes

[sand shadow]

[fickle forge]

Dumbass, that's exactly what I'm saying

[wheat jay]

fuck you

i didn't read whole convo

only saw your stupid statement

[fickle forge]

I know you didn't you hunter chimpanze

Was literally calling someone out for what you called me out for

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-gif-21913959

[wheat crane]

qing with my buddys 56k hp mw

pray for me

[craggy socket]

ok not gonna lie spell reflecting a healers cc back to them for a win feels so amazing

[obsidian loom]

Might as well tell him to afk in a corner

[sand shadow]

Solo Shuffle is the funniest thing added to WoW, swear to me mum

I just had a game, where a poor rsham kept spam heal surging himself

6 rounds in a row

whilst obviously meaning to heal his party member

[spice hornet]

Literal bot

[wheat crane]

It actually wasnt bad

Like obviously we were in the boondocks of like 14-1500s

But you realize how bad some people are even with like 110k hp lol

Obviously it was an instaloss to teams that could properly press buttons in coherent sequences

But all in all better then i thought

[atomic gale]

do you think vers/haste is more important stats or main stats

as in like should i put legendaries on accessory pieces or armor pieces

[sharp meteor]

leggos go on low budget pieces

fury would probably be like unity back with signet bracers

[sand shadow]

it is done

took around 27 rbg wins

[near delta]

🙏 I still have 17k honor to go

[sand shadow]

• like 10 solo shuffles and all weekly quests done

solo shuffle is pretty gewd for honor

[near delta]

If people don't leave after the first round every time

[sand shadow]

I usually get 1050-1250 per shuffle

well, even if they leave its usually 500+

but yeah, that sucks

some of them I don't blame though

there was an incredibly inexperienced affli that alt f4d after the 2nd round

I legit kill him in like 3-4 globals

the gear disparity is nuts

[near delta]

A lot of healers will just leave after the 2nd loss since they can get queues again so quickly

But yeah generally nice source of honor

I played one last night with 2 demos and an aff and I wanted to die lol

[hexed ermine]

Looks like my weakest slot is chest, but any other recommendations for next conquest item? https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/stormrage/lulzitsmagic

[sharp meteor]

??

just buy conq pieces lmao

[sharp meteor]

ya they just cranked it up to 278 in shuffle but conq uncapped so plenty of people are 300+ now

[spice hornet]

I like how they are fully aware of the power gap in solo shuffle but only bumped it to 278. It’s almost like they want you to suffer

[sharp meteor]

see, it would've been okay if conq stayed capped

because the idea was to have scaling be slightly lower than honor ilev

for that good ol progression thing

but yeah duelist players running over every match kind of zz

[warped warren]

bgbp

[warped warren]

medallion for sure

[hexed ermine]

Yeah obviously...asking what would be the best upgrade for now. I don't play a ton so I can't just sit around and farm thousands of conq in one day

[hexed ermine]

Any reason? Medallion will just give str but chest is only 259 ilvl (PvE item so doesn't scale up). I feel a pvp chest would give me a lot more stats

[full quiver]

Hey guys how do I gear my fresh 60 dk

[sharp meteor]

u buy alcohol then hammer out like 200 3s games in no gear

and insta die to every hunter/fury team

[light flicker]

Hello everyone. I need some assistance from the Fury Godz. My Warrior seems to not be outputting much damage in pvp im 1200 cr and stuck. Any valuable input would be awesome https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/proudmoore/pwnhousetvx

[warped warren]

[nimble jasper]

are you playing with a healer

[light flicker]

no

ive been pugging 2's

[nimble jasper]

yeah umm

[light flicker]

is arms better?

[nimble jasper]

warrior 2s without a healer

very very bad

[craggy socket]

Play with a DH in 3s

You just delete things haha

[hexed ermine]

Gear looks fine, but I went for weaps first. Would have to see gameplay to really answer your question though.

[craggy socket]

Finally hit 1500 in 3s, not bad for a new warrior lol

80 games winning 39 of them

[light flicker]

I guess i'll try 3's

[craggy socket]

3s is alot more fun imo

Find another melee and just smash people

[nimble jasper]

i mean if you're new 2s is just easier to learn in

less to focus on

[obsidian loom]

2s is much better to learn imo

[hexed ermine]

Pugging in general is rough around 1400-1500 unless you get a lucky matchup with a carry, but in 2s you want a healer or at least someone who can keep other team healer locked down

[obsidian loom]

You'll be able to pick out mistakes

[elder wigeon]

melee cleaves are significantly less fun as a warrior than playing with a wizard

[craggy socket]

Idk melee cleaves are fun for me lol

does intervene spell reflect only work with a specific legendary?

[elder wigeon]

there is no intervene spell reflect

[craggy socket]

Otherwise if it always works do I pop spell reflect than intervene or the other way around

[elder wigeon]

got removed in season 2

[craggy socket]

Ah

[elder wigeon]

misshapen mirror is the legendary you're thinking of

it's not that good

I can't think of a matchup I'd want to play it

[nimble jasper]

meleecleaves are a good way to fall asleep

[nimble jasper]

https://www.twitch.tv/magnusz/clip/CrazyAmazonianLocustMoreCowbell?filter=clips&range=all&sort=time

[elder wigeon]

that is a legendary clip

[wheat jay]

Depends on a cleave

Ret/warr is the most boring shit

So is tsg

Survi/arms is fun

[elder wigeon]

I didn't have fun playing KFC

only have fun anymore playing with an SP or a lock

[warped warren]

yep

i like playing with casters more

[full quiver]

lol because they're busted

[elder wigeon]

no melee cleaves are just super aids to play

especially with how much control and dmg wizards have right now

if both of you are getting cucked you're losing really quick

[high sparrow]

melee/caster comps are the most fun to play as / against

[sage raptor]

This season sucks

I'm going back to fallout nv

I don't understand why everything is juiced

[elder wigeon]

wdym

it's just more gear

and aff buff

[sharp meteor]

also hunters realizing that mm is playable

more rogues trying outlaw

tedious tedious

[craggy socket]

Double legendaries and tier sets really kinda makes shit too insane

[near delta]

Some mm/rdru games legit make me wanna quit. Lol

[wheat crane]

Feel like id rather play rdru hunter then hpal hunter with double freedom

[elder wigeon]

mm hunter is just a hellacious nightmare

the knocks 70% slow, insane burst and mobility is too much

[wheat crane]

Its just questionable class design

Front loading 75% of dmg in 1 ability

Like aim shot or abom limb

[elder wigeon]

that's how most classes are

very few specs have a breakdown like arms

[simple rock]

[sage raptor]

Have you tried gearing an alt you having played for a season? It's an absolute nightmare

[elder wigeon]

Yes

very easy

much easier than prior patches

[simple rock]

still 10x harder than it should be

[elder wigeon]

that doesn't mean it's super hard

[simple rock]

would consider it a significant time investment

especially if the character is fresh

[high sparrow]

its pretty easy

ure just trying to do it too fast

[spice hornet]

every sdingle NL dh i am encountering this season is getting demon procs on opener

[simple rock]

think some people just have different perspective on this

[sage raptor]

Dood it's so ez I just do it while jacking off and it's done

[near delta]

Wtf is ele damm lol

Played this 2s game killed the fire ele in the opener and sat him the entire game

And he's just murdering my healer the whole time

[near delta]

[sage raptor]

Holy fuck I'm stressed out

[near delta]

I've noticed a lot of DHs are so hardwired to blur on reck that they just don't blur at all if you don't pop anything it's so silly

And yeah those procs are nutso

[simple rock]

did 12k dps in a 4min game on my ele today

all because enemy rsham didn't spam dispel

[near delta]

So you just have to eat control of lava?

[simple rock]

yea

it's not nearly as strong as ua

like 3x less dmg and no silence

[near delta]

Ah yeah thats not bad

[hasty crane]

Was WoD gearing good for PVP?

Because apparently they are going back to the WoD gearing system for dragonflight

[spice hornet]

yes

[hasty crane]

Did it have upgrade ranks like we have now?

[elder wigeon]

no

iirc there was just conquest gear and honor gear

[indigo barn]

Fury having a legit 1 shot build in wod

[high sparrow]

greatest thing that came out of wod besides gearing was execute

shit was an actual execute

[sharp meteor]

20% touch of death yep

also siegebreaker yeeting people was funni

[wheat crane]

Ele is lowkey wild, kinda wanna run thunder

Just shit out insta meatballs all day while getting tunneled

[simple rock]

def one of the better casters while getting trained

actually pretty tanky cuz of armor too

[elder wigeon]

ele gets stomped on by melee cleaves

[simple rock]

not as bad lock when melee can connect

locks have ~600 armor shamans ~3200

[obsidian loom]

Locks heal more than discs though

[high sparrow]

what the fuck is wrong with people this season

9 min game the warrior did 300k damage, both of them just running the entire game hoping my druid ooms

[obsidian loom]

How did the warr not die lmao

[high sparrow]

because hes playing leaper bounding stride impending victory

and running all game

[obsidian loom]

Lmfao

[high sparrow]

he is literally not trying to kill

[obsidian loom]

Leaper

What a chad

That's pretty disgusting

[high sparrow]

people are on EU are so cooked

ive played vs this warrior a couple times now

guy defensive spears

kites on his own cds

unironically wants to play 15 min games every game

[nimble jasper]

i had a 10min 30 game today

was an rdru mirror

nerf rdruids

ty

[high sparrow]

i havent had any particularly long games except vs people trying to dampen on purpose, usually rogues and ele shamans

[simple rock]

that is pretty chad for a warr in 2s ngl

doing something other than zug zug

honestly just outplayed if you can't kill a warr playing w lock

[high sparrow]

i mean we did kill

they lost

just takes fucking ages when freaks are playing degenerate builds and using everything just to live

they never had any kill pressure, guy used banner to kite twice

[obsidian loom]

Rdruids are awful in 2s

I need an rdruid to handle rdruids

I can't be bothered to swap I need to zug

EU sounds like a disaster

I'd unsub

[nimble jasper]

yeah idk i dislike playing with rdruids

games take too long

but they’re strong

[obsidian loom]

EU is playing drainer meta

Go damp every game and try to do unhealable damage with the most broken comp you can come up with

[nimble jasper]

surv rdruid is just

an awful experience

[obsidian loom]

🔪

[nimble jasper]

if they have any clue how to play the game

[simple rock]

drainer plays the game correctly

in 2s

[nimble jasper]

i swear human rele is just

optimal vs rdruids

cuz you sit cc

so long

[simple rock]

run away on cds and when you don't have cds

never let healer drink

[nimble jasper]

thats

[simple rock]

only mana bar matters

[nimble jasper]

the ww special

[high sparrow]

theres always been players like that

but ive never seen it this bad

[nimble jasper]

unless its rogue teams then sitting down los to drink without trinket can be sus

[high sparrow]

especially weird in the week they uncap conquest and people should be wanting fast games

[nimble jasper]

i’ve killed lock teams like that on mine

healer sit downs to trinket without trinket gets sapped

his lock dies cuz hes forced to sit a full sap blind

[obsidian loom]

I'm still scarred from the 3xMM that deleted my healer out of stealth last week

What if I see it again how do you even stop that

Randomly leap around

Maybe sit in spawn and spam WW in los of the door

[nimble jasper]

idk

i just go next

call it the shadowlands special

[obsidian loom]

[nimble jasper]

i cant take people serious

who cling to their cr for dear life

[simple rock]

1900 mofos that leave after 1 loss

[thick reef]

any reason why I can't upgrade even with renown 80?

says 43 renown is required

[near delta]

There's a quest back at your covenant hall

Gotta accept it and go to the pvp vendor in oribos

[thick reef]

kk will do

thank you

[hasty crane]

People wanted uncapped conquest and now that we got it people are complaining about it??

I don't get this community sometimes lol

[elder wigeon]

spoils of war should've been 50% increase to conquest and 100% increase to honor

not 25% and 40% respectively

conquest being uncapped was a double edged sword

good for the game in such pvpers could get better gear than pvpers at the "same rate" but the downside is casuals get fucked over and people with a lot of alts

in reality they should've uncapped conquest doubled the conquest gains and made all conquest gear 311 in pvp, as simple as that

[hasty crane]

Yeah

The main complaint I saw was from the people who couldn't no life the game and had alts

[elder wigeon]

more or less the plans for dragonflight

[hasty crane]

Dragonflight gearing seems better

[sharp meteor]

somehow my casual gamer dad healer partner was full geared like 2 days ago

jacking up honor and/or conq gains would be fantastic though if only for alts

[craggy socket]

Just faced an affliction lock with 125k hp

at 1600

[spice hornet]

That spec has a lot of go

Hp

[placid whale]

can i upgrade honor gear into tset ?

[cunning bolt]

no. you only can upgrade conquest gear into T-set

Anyone playing Arms right now? Still crit>haste for kyrian?

[sand shadow]

not when you run w/ an hpala healer that is apparently even more juicy in retwarr/turbo brains

I ran some thunder last 2 nights, went Kyrian and told ele to pick static if needed and it went fine, they mostly tried to smack me tbh

decent RMPs felt pretty damn miserable though

[elder wigeon]

haste is good as kyrian

if you're arms you def want a good amount of haste because enduring blow procs more off MS which haste reduces the CD of

[cunning bolt]

do i go all haste or a spezific number like 15% - 20%? (acttually im 30%crit, 13% haste, 30% versa)

[sand shadow]

PvPers want gear parity

[elder wigeon]

I'm at 18% crit 21% haste and 39% vers

[cunning bolt]

so haste for procs = king, got it. 🙂

[elder wigeon]

you want a lot of both

not hard to get 20% with both

some may like more crit than others but I like faster globals and more mortal strikes

haste past 20% feels unnecessary tbh

[wheat crane]

Im like all haste so i can jump back n forth between arms/fury

Its good for both

[elfin surge]

arms is back

fury is dead

[wheat crane]

Blessed

[warped warren]

39? 🤨

[warped warren]

shut up fotm roller

[small fog]

I just geared a warr to play fury, don't say this

[wheat crane]

Its not dead

As much as wed like it to be

[raw summit]

go back to prot kid

[small fog]

[elfin surge]

3 of the top 5 wars are arms

confirmed arms is back

and fury is dead

[elder wigeon]

yep

I'll play with stats when gearing isn't aidsing me

high vers feels nice when you're getting blasted cause you're playing melee wizard but that could be cope and remaking legos with no vers could be better

[wheat crane]

good enough for me

[fickle forge]

Arms and fury: Gets 0 changes
People: "Arms is good now and fury is dead"

[high sparrow]

fury did get nerfed start of the patch didnt it

[sage raptor]

Hey stinky

Jk ily

Platonically

[near delta]

Barely lol

[high sparrow]

20% damage on crushing blow and banner reduced by 33% isnt barely

is a very significant nerf to ur burst window

[sand shadow]

it isn't barely, but Fury kept being the go-to spec post-nerf

[high sparrow]

sure, not arguign that

im just saying fury did get significant nerfs

[sand shadow]

it's kind of curious, in the past, the rule has usually been that Arms starts off strong, whilst Fury gathers steam w/ more and more gear

what @fickle forge said is kind of like how I feel as well

ofc, it's not just about whether Arms/Fury gets changes, but what changes (and specifically, which specs; and even more specifically, did the specs that cuck us get nerfed?) happened to other classes/specs

[near delta]

The crushing blow nerf hit rather hard for sure. A lot of peeps myself included swapped to kyrian after which feels pretty good.

[wheat crane]

Guess i should actually swap kyrian, im just annoyed the spear conduit isnt 278

[sand shadow]

wdym not 278?

[wheat crane]

Gotta pay 10k again for 1 fucking conduit

[sand shadow]

upgrade it?

oh

I did that last patch w/ the thingie from the ZM vendor

wasn't that expensive

[high sparrow]

arent u swimming in flux by now

[sand shadow]

still took me weeks to notice that it only upgrades the one for the cov you are when using

[wheat crane]

Nah i just started playing again like 2 weeks ago

[sand shadow]

so had to go buy it multiple times as multiple covs

[wheat crane]

Can actually just now make unity leggo tomorrow

[sand shadow]

❤️

[wheat crane]

Lol true

JUST SPAM Q

[sand shadow]

I have like 80k flux leftover even after recrafting leggos and tiersets

Qs give a fuckton now its true

jUsT plAy MoRe

[wheat crane]

Yea all things considered it was really fast to catch up to a playable level

Hardest part was the stupid enlightened rep

[sand shadow]

it took me 27 RBGs and a few solo shuffles + the quests to fully gear to 311. It's not A LOT, but it's still quite a bit, and the point is we want gear parity in pvp, the ilvl value itself is of little concern to pvp mains

and I had like 65% winratio in RBGs or some shit

now imagine having to do that many wins w/ 50%ish winrate and on multiple classes

for no good reason, really

I did my last solo shuffle for the last bit of honor to upgrade the pvp trinket. Here I am, at 116k hp, fighting inexperienced people in shuffle w/ 80k

[wheat crane]

My lock is the yolo stomper

[full quiver]

If you had each conduitnbefore thr thing upgraded every conduit

[wheat crane]

Think im like 11-2 so far

[full quiver]

So as long as you played each spec it should've upgraded each one

Each cov***

[wheat crane]

Shitty yolo rbg healers honestly cant handle it

[full quiver]

I have the worst luck on hunter lmao

I've lost 7 yolos in a row

Never doing another

[wheat crane]

I mean you probably get stuck guarding something

[coarse portal]

I need to do more yolos

[full quiver]

I led rbgs first day

[wheat crane]

Noone sits an affi lock so i get free reign to obliterate yeam fights

[coarse portal]

Just got my 4 set last night as well

[full quiver]

Go 3-1

Now I'm 4-12

Lmao

[small silo]

What gems everyone using vers or another stat ?

[sage raptor]

Speed

Speed go brrr

[near delta]

Shuffles are exceedingly worse now.

[fickle forge]

Sometimes it's also just community perspective

Specs often have to be discovered by a big name in order for it to be recognized

Remember pre-necro DH era?

[sand shadow]

big true, this was recently the case w/ Outlaw; it was already insane in S2 imo

it also took us a while to recognize Necro Warrior iirc

We were all Kyrian goodybois

[fickle forge]

Yeah, Mud sort of built his early career on discovering necro warr

[sand shadow]

ohh riiight, that's how i know mud, from those daily highlight clips on YT

it finally clicked

[fickle forge]

Yeah

Fuck you Mud

I was the real OG necro player

[sand shadow]

fuck mud for not streaming real manly games

enough with the viewers!!1

[fickle forge]

@elfin surge Stream 3s nerd

[sand shadow]

I guess he's just trying to grow his audience tho, it's all goodge ❤️

[fickle forge]

Wanna see the man int those TSG games

[sand shadow]

I instinctively altf4 viewer streams, but I can imagine they're an effective way to fill dead windows and grow / give back

[brittle wraith]

On murlok.io last season 90% of fury wars in 2s and 3s were Necro

Now it looks split with Kyrian all of a sudden, can anyone explain why this changed?

[sand shadow]

I don't think a completely researched and fully thought out explanation can be given, not least because someone needs to sit and think about it

But for example, in 2s, where hunters and hpriests were overwhelmingly popular, got nerfed relative to spear

Hunter's Craven Stratagem is now just -5s CD on FD, and Hpriests can no longer fly it

Also, Fade was put on a 1min CD (up from 45s)

Which means that, with the owl, even if you hit just 1 target, you have spear every 56s, slightly lower than Fade

[brittle wraith]

Thanks for the response, I appreciate it! Do you feel a big hit to survivability running Kyrian instead of Necro?

[sand shadow]

just an example of the many possible variables

Depends, I mostly run the Owl w/ Shielding thingie, autopot AND autostun into stuff I feel like I might get gibbed

the autostun is honestly absolutely insane, even after they nerfed it

so while you don't have as much frontloaded survivability

when things are dire, Kyrian owl kicks in usually

even the pot is not bad, but only if used early on in 2s, since damp ruins it

in 3s, pot is actually pretty decent

[brittle wraith]

Hmm I’ll give it a try then I was surprised to see the change because necro scales with stam pretty well but that makes sense

Thanks for your help

[sand shadow]

with stam?

I am at work and kind of distracted but why stam? YOu mean str?

[brittle wraith]

Fleshcraft is % of stam, frictionless costing % of stam, ultimate form % of stam etc

And with stam stacking higher than secondary stats this season thought it would be the clear winner

[warped warren]

[brittle wraith]

But looks like more people going Kyrian

Than last season*

[warped warren]

shields dont matter in damp

[sand shadow]

well, the thing with that is that %ages are %ages, no? If all else is equal, it doesn't matter if it's 30% of 100k or 200k no?

[spice hornet]

Less hunters and horiests, more locks, eles, etc, = spear better

Plus banner got nerfed

[sand shadow]

That is if we simplify and assume that dmg/survivability/etc have scaled equally

[spice hornet]

And it was only really good for juicing your ret paladin buddy

[elfin surge]

could

[spice hornet]

I can’t swap to kyrian though I’m too addicted to the banner movement speed suppression

[sand shadow]

do it

[brittle wraith]

I heard stam was stacking higher than secondary stats this season so % based hp heals and stuff were better

But makes sense with more locks etc

[elfin surge]

i hate streaming 3s i get too distracted

[sand shadow]

hm, as I said, I'm a bit distracted today, but stam is just a function of ilvl

so X ilvls increase = Y increase in stam and all other stats

that is, it's programmatic, and nothing has changed there

you just have more of it than before

you don't have new modifiers to your hp this ssn compared to last?

you just have more in absolute terms

if overall dmg hasn't kept pace, I'd agree, but has it not?

I have no answer to that

[brittle wraith]

I think it’s with DR returns on secondaries as well

So stam stacks linearly

Secondaries don’t

[sand shadow]

but we dealt w/ DRs even last ssn, I've never seen anyone w/ over 39% versa at least

so you just spread them out more efficiently, as to hopefully avoid even the 31%+ DR

[brittle wraith]

That’s just the impression I got from other discords could totally be incorrect

[sand shadow]

so instead of going like 45% versa, you instead stay, say, 35% on avg, and shift those stats elsewhere through leggos/enchants/gems/specific items etc

thats okay, we're just discussing

[near delta]

I've won quite a few games cause the autostuns simultaneously saved my ass and gave an unexpected kill window

[sand shadow]

also, keep in mind that the DR on 31%+ is just 10%, it's really not THAT big

the autostun is fucking broken

I missed 3 kills last night because the enemy warr kept procing it

[brittle wraith]

Yeah I think it’s an overestimate of the DRs then

[near delta]

Also how about kleia lol

[sand shadow]

I mean, I can't be 100% sure those were kills ofc, but it sure didn't help

[near delta]

Been making ferals do like 5k sickle of the lion damage on average

[sand shadow]

@brittle wraith also, keep in mind that no matter what people choose to focus on (it's always secondary stats priorities usually)

main stat is absolute king

sure, secondaries are super important as well, no question

but strength is strength

Last time I did a sim, Str was many times the value of any secondary

and sure, PvP is not PvE, and even in PvE these sims have limitations, but it's not THAT different

if 1str is > 10 secondaries when whacking patchwerk

it's probably still much stronger even in PvP

[tender oriole]

How y'all dealing with these affliction locks in 3s

[cunning bolt]

why every Fury is using Signet? 😄

[sand shadow]

because it's a horrendous legendary in terms of design

but it's still goodge

sadgely

[high sparrow]

its ok, i think its mostly cos we just dont have anything better kekw

[sand shadow]

there's always Deathmaker

you don't HAVE to run Signet every single game

[coarse portal]

I'm still personally torn on arms legendary

[high sparrow]

ye i play deathmaker on one of my warriors but its very inconsistent

[sand shadow]

you can switch depending on enemy comp and what your strat is going in

[high sparrow]

fury legos definitely boring tho

[sand shadow]

dont be, Enduring is a clear-cut winner

[high sparrow]

arms has a few fun ones

[sand shadow]

unless your win condition revolves around trying to oneshot ppl

then mb Unhinged is not bad

[coarse portal]

I know, just enjoy the feel of battlelord lmao

[small fog]

Ayo, who dis?

[coarse portal]

But enduring blow is king

[high sparrow]

battlelord enduring blow and unhinged are all fun

obviously EB is best

but those are 3 very fun legendaries, even exploiter was fun during condoom

[sand shadow]

its not that BLord is bad

[high sparrow]

meanwhile fury legos are straight up boring

[coarse portal]

Just eb is better

Lolololol

[sand shadow]

kinda, yea

keep in mind that enduring procs your tier set too

actually, I am not even sure, been ages since I last played arms

but it should?

someone here should be able to confirm/deny

[coarse portal]

The op str proc yes, not sure on the increase duration

[sand shadow]

duration doesn't get affected, of that I am pretty sure or I would've noticed watching streams I think

[high sparrow]

duration not affected, but i think it does get buffed to 35%

[sand shadow]

would make it 9s proc

that'd be insane

[sand shadow]

right, that might be a thing, idk

lets see

[warped warren]

lowkey doesnt feel like it

legit can double proc and not get a single reset

https://tenor.com/view/dies-of-cringe-cringe-gif-20747133

[sand shadow]

yeah EB procs are 35%, so 2set works

[warped warren]

yes the 2p

but 4p feels like a no

idk

[sand shadow]

no it works

the 4set procs on EB procs

[warped warren]

surely

[sand shadow]

erm

[warped warren]

just dogshit rng then

)))

[sand shadow]

wait

[warped warren]

?

[sand shadow]

how am I getting stacks

I've had no procs

wtf

[warped warren]

are you trolling or

xd

4set makes cs increase the chance

of resetting

🤨

[sand shadow]

I am NOT getting CS though

I am not pressing WB

and I was not getting CS from MS via EB

[warped warren]

you still have tactician

?????

are you pretending?

[sand shadow]

no, I just haven't played ARms w/ 4set

[warped warren]

[sand shadow]

I thought that only procs during CS windows

[warped warren]

[sand shadow]

not that Tact procs passively give ya the bonus

[warped warren]

thats the whole thing about it

lmo

lmao

cs just amps the tactician proc rate

• gives 2% str

[sand shadow]

the way its worded is a bit

I guess it could be understood both ways

idk

[warped warren]

no?

[sand shadow]

wdym no

my assumption was that, because of how its worded, the condition for the 2nd part of the effect is that Tactician procs during CS

[fickle forge]

Run them down

[sand shadow]

whatever, not important anyway

[fickle forge]

Yw

[wheat crane]

Fuck signet

[cunning bolt]

Dont even have it... and dont wanne raid tto get it... so deathmaker for me than ^^

[wheat crane]

I mean its still good

I just hate it

JUST GIMME AVATAR YOU POS LEGGO

[hasty crane]

we get signet in Dragonflight as a talent and it's still probably going to be required lol

At least for mythic +

We will never escape it

[high sparrow]

we'll prob use signet even in pvp yeah

its better than the alternatives

[coarse portal]

Idk I like some of the alternatives lolol

[high sparrow]

like what?

this is what im thinking, with a couple of potential swaps depending on what im playing against

[wheat crane]

Bladestorm should give a movement speed buff

[coarse portal]

I'm not at home, and my mobile is arse here at work due to location

[wheat crane]

Feels stupid twirling around and ppl just walk away

[coarse portal]

Amazed I'm able to get on discord sometimes lolol

[coarse portal]

Agreed

[full quiver]

I too thought it was only during smash wtf

Not like I'm paying attention to the stacks anyways lmao

[coarse portal]

Instead of unity, let me get both battlelord and Enduring blow

[wheat crane]

i do like the talent trees but theres really not alot of choice

like youre getting spear

and avatar

why is there fing maintenance right now

[tender oriole]

Ya but I feel like they never die and they do so much dmg

[wheat crane]

you can gib the dmg pretty hard if u save cc for casting circle/ds gos

only kick drain after a soul rot or at 50 stacks of impending

dont kick rot kick anything else

[fickle forge]

How do they not die? They're paper to phys dmg

Just have a kick/stop ready for Drain Life

[tender oriole]

Ds gos??

[wheat crane]

darksoul

glowing red 20% haste 2 min cd

[tender oriole]

Ahh k

[full quiver]

Lol

Fuck affliction warlocks in 2s

[tender oriole]

Talking about 3s :p

Also can someone explain to me why sometimes a lock uses a circle he gets yanked back to my spear and sometimes he doesn't

[fickle forge]

TP yanks them back, but gate is CC-immune

This thing

[sand shadow]

They have new tech now, btw, dno if you guys have seen it

Port on top of Gate

so even if they're not next to their gate, where you'd think you can spear w/o counter, they can port and instantly use the toy to gate

It looks real funny too

but because the port into gate happens so fast (and the gate negates spear anyway), they can bug spear that way

Not really convinced it's worth it for them, but there it is

[wheat crane]

everytime

HERO GLAD GROUP

[sand shadow]

classic

waiting on the inevitable adaptation

"ACTUAL, REAL R1/GLAD/HOTA GRP"

"everyone background checked"

[wheat crane]

whats wild is

[sand shadow]

"no registered sex offenders"

[wheat crane]

hes using teh addon to show arenamaster.io

so like

[elfin surge]

fear gate

[wheat crane]

why lie

[sand shadow]

that works yea

[elfin surge]

i swear not a lot of wars know u can fear them mid gate

[wheat crane]

lmfao using this anytime i make a group from now on

[sand shadow]

yeah it stops them in their tracks

its a good tip

i've seen even stuns and such brick the gate in the past

[elfin surge]

did u know this interrupts druid tranq immunity

[sand shadow]

its rare because the two need to happen almost at the same time, literally

[near delta]

The fuck??? Haha

[sand shadow]

yep

but gotta drop a potency, Sadge

[elfin surge]

qd into laros yesterday and i one shot nogard doing it

best moment this ssn

[sand shadow]

nice

my favorite was warbringering a turtled hunter

and critting 18k

killing him through

❤️

[elfin surge]

ye warbringer goes thru turtle and tranq

i think sweeping does too

[sand shadow]

Blade Flurry too

what I want to see more of is people challenging shouting the WW monk SEF pets

I swear its a great peel

not everytime, but its oGCD and I've had great results

especially since even 1s delay can be huge into that shit

taunts in general feel like an underdeveloped mini-mini-meta

[near delta]

Huhhh interesting

Since you won't have keefers debuff

[sand shadow]

its off global, CShout

❤️

don't go in expecting 100% success, they can redirect them on a whim, and many do spam them during their goes

but I've had one game where it actually made a difference

[elfin surge]

i use a shield for openers vs rmp

[sand shadow]

another great tip

[full quiver]

@elfin surge does that mean you can use it as knockback to stop pet revive in turtle lmao

[elfin surge]

jk shield swapping is bad

[sand shadow]

it does feel terrible, but there is some small beneift

some extra armor vs evis

[elfin surge]

ooo??

[full quiver]

🤔🤔🤔

[elfin surge]

prob not worth playing into hunters tho cuz u lose damage

lose either mortal combo or OP conduit

[sand shadow]

imagine if we didn't have to sacrifice a potency for that

[full quiver]

For 2s tho

[sand shadow]

😡

[full quiver]

Probably end up killing rdruid anyways

So having it for tranq or pet if hunter is a dummy

[elfin surge]

felt good killing an rdruid turbo in the opener tho

[full quiver]

😆

[warped warren]

sweep doesnt

[elfin surge]

thought-steal druid knock tranq

[warped warren]

ive tried on multiple occasions

[elfin surge]

and the knock doesnt DR with spear so they are fucked

[full quiver]

I've def killed hunter by sweeping pet

[warped warren]

thought stealing druids is taking rejuv 🤨

why would you do that

[sand shadow]

stealing is nice

[elfin surge]

take rejuv spam purge

knock tranq

cant run in spear

nothing they can do

[brittle wraith]

Been playing pretty much only DK and consistently get glad with it, and some feral for when I want to use my brain..

Made a fury war and it’s SO much fun but there’s a lot of nuance in when to be using my shouts intervenes etc and all the little tricks like warbringer on hunter turtle y’all are mentioning etc.

Where can I find some good gameplay guides? Not really interested in talent guides but some actual gameplay breakdown

[sand shadow]

don't believe anything quite so nuanced exists

im certainly unaware at least

your rally, you really have 2 main ways of using it

[brittle wraith]

Something similar to like supatease’s breakdowns for Boomy gameplay if you get what I mean

[sand shadow]

#1 and most popular is when told by a healer or if off-voice/no call, when you feel your friend is about to die, simple

#2 is using it pre-emptively, in the sense that you're trading your shout in the hopes that it'll save your partner from using a major CD himself

if you believe that's a more favorable trade

#2 is why you might sometimes see someone w/ experience use it when the target is, like, 50% hp and not in immediate danger of dying

[full quiver]

Duel disarm

idk if laros runs duel into tsg tho

[brittle wraith]

This is all helpful, well if any of you make a breakdown ever of “I used rally here because I saw x, or I used fear here because I saw x” would be super helpful I can monkey my way to 1950 on fury right now but need to learn more of the actual intricacies to progress

So if a guide like that if ever made please lmk 🙂

[sand shadow]

The only streamer that I can think of that regularly commentates his gameplay is Trillebartom

sadgely, he rarely plays wurrior nowadays, since he mostly plays 2s, and woyer is depressing in 2s

[brittle wraith]

Ah fair enough well worth asking!

[sand shadow]

by commentating, I mean providing insight into the why of things

perhaps you can search his VoDs and track down a warrior sesh

[small fog]

Mud gives a lot of good advice too, always answers Twitch chat

[sand shadow]

from like, last ssn

[small fog]

But ye not sure about specific breakdown videos

[sand shadow]

it's a combination of sources if you want to learn the nitty-gritty really

discord, twitch chat (yes, really), streamers, videos, highlights etc

[brittle wraith]

Cool appreciate your help guys

[sand shadow]

but if you already play another spec at a decent level, you should have the basics down, such as when specs do damage, and from there you can puzzle whether it's physical or not for example

and think of intervening, for example

[full quiver]

Laros pre calls what he's gonna do a lot while playing

Helped me learn arms

I know he occasionally plays fury

[sand shadow]

it's helpful if you watch VoDs too, opposed to livestreams, esp w/ commentary

livestreams, things are happening too fast and you can't really pause and rewind

[brittle wraith]

Okay awesome I’ll take a look!

[sand shadow]

and if you notice something, you're anxious to continue watching for more instead of internalizing what you just saw etc

[nimble jasper]

yeah livestreams can be tough to follow sometimes

also the streamers who dont keep up old broadcasts

😦

[brittle wraith]

This is a chill discord btw appreciate y’all

[nimble jasper]

breakdowns are done by skillcapped

albeit paywall

[sand shadow]

oh yeah, SkillCapped is actually not bad these days, they give pretty decent advice usually

but it's mostly a bit more general than what you're looking for I guess

[nimble jasper]

matchup specific prob hard

if you dont get vod review

[elfin surge]

[warped warren]

lmao

[near delta]

It's very dependent on the class but the warr stuff with Joe Fernades is pretty good

[sand shadow]

oh I wouldn't know about that

isn't that paywalled?

I only see their free YT vids every now and then on twitter

[wheat crane]

I mean i prerally alot of shit should i not be doing that

[sand shadow]

🤷‍♂️ no right answer imo

[wheat crane]

Not using conduit

[sand shadow]

and there can be quite a bit of a difference from pre-rally to pre-rally

is it RMP and you know your last chance to live inc go is to pre-rally it? If it ends up saving you, it was obviously good

if they kite it out and delay and kill you 15s later after it falls off anyway, then mb the idea was good, but execution was imperfect

[wheat crane]

Like rmp

Gos telegraphed af, i usually send the rally and do whatever minor cc i have to scuff it

Feel like rallying when the homies at 80% vs 20% is good no?

Maybe not

[simple rock]

rallying super early into enemy CDs is bad cuz you don't want it falling as their dmg peaks

[sand shadow]

I don't think anyone can answer that quandary tbf, it depends on context

[simple rock]

usually you want healer to trade whatever small/medium cds then use rally to potentially save the biggest cds like link, bubble, ps, etc

but yeah it really depends

[wheat crane]

I guess im basically treating it like a barkskin to try n save a trinket or wall

Yea yrue

[simple rock]

vs RMP a good use of rally is when kidney or cs chain is ending you rally them and they can top

without using bubble or something

[wheat crane]

Yea i mean im always sending it on cds not just randomly

Like buddy will be kidneyed/bombed and a combust popped or something

[sand shadow]

I mean, you're probably overthinking it at this point, and that's usually a bad thing. #1 prio is to have always used rally if you lost instead of sitting on it. #2 prio is to use it NOT terribly. #3 is where it becomes a clusterfuck: using it well

[wheat crane]

Ill send it as combust is pressed basically

Or a little before

[sand shadow]

Trying to "save" stuff for the "perfect" opportunity is just not a great strat in arena imo

perfect opportunities are rare, you don't always realize they're there, often you're prevented by GCD/CC, and you end up losing like my hpala friend pepega, who refuses to bubble pretty much ever

hence the "saving for next expansion" meme

to get great rallies consistently, you need a pretty decent synergy with your friends

that means a rally that actually saved you another, more important CD, or did the job w/o requiring another or two other CDs for example. Sometimes even triple CDs can be a good trade

that requires synergy, a great feel of the flow of arena, communication etc

my xp w/ LFG people, even on voice, for example, is that I would call my rally but that call will just be ignored and another major CD will be popped when just one or the other would've sufficed

🤷‍♂️

[wheat crane]

yea it gets spooky with lfg

actually now that were talking about it rally talent might be decent into dks no?

line it up for every abom

[sand shadow]

Here's an example: you are VS'ing an RMP. It's already a few goes into the game. They Cross CC your friends, but your healer manages to get out (mechanics of how unimportant here), but is physically away from you. You get KS'd into a Bomb to cover the Cross-CC mistake. He's dancing on your ass. But nobody else is popping anything. You have wall, trinket, fear, etc. What do you trade? Usually, you'd want to get away w/ just a wall. But sometimes the rogue procs triple tier set and everything crits and perhaps you just die. Other times he doesn't, but the mage has a pyro ready and two fireblasts, whilst the priest is also HF/MGing you

You prolly need to trinket the second scenario, apart from walling. Or perhaps you can just trinket-leap out of the bomb? But maybe the rogue is good and insta covers the trinket w/ another CS into another? Or maybe the stress had you trinketing, thinking to leap, but hten you realize your leap is 5s more on CD. And now it's too late, you wall, but you're already 30% hp, perhaps you die like a dog. The Rogue Flag of Ownerships your ass and cackles.

[nimble jasper]

feel like just wall alone

is never enough to cover bomb goes

[sand shadow]

so a relatively common situation has already permutated like crazy and there are multiple possible outcomes/strategies you can employ, all dependant on a myriad other permutations

@nimble jasper idk, I lived that scenario last night w/ just trinket leap, pocketed the wall for next

[nimble jasper]

oh i mean solo wall

[sand shadow]

next time, this cheeky play mb gets punished

[nimble jasper]

prob not enough for bust bomb

[sand shadow]

bust bomb? For sure not enough yea, my example is just rogue dancing on your ass in bomb

w/ imperfect cross chain

[nimble jasper]

oh yeah

[sand shadow]

which puts you in an awkward situation where you have to think and decide very quickly

[nimble jasper]

some rmp setups are just

bad

[sand shadow]

sure, your healer is out of CC, but can he save you in time?

And if he does manage to get into the bomb in time, does he have instant healing? Etc

[nimble jasper]

i feel like thats also a thing

even if a lower rmp does a scuffed go

some teams may not recognize that its a bad go

and overcommit

[simple rock]

rally in lfg no comms is almost always wasted

unless you're playing with really aware high xp players

well, maybe not wasted

but you won't get nearly as much value from it

[sand shadow]

@simple rock yep, which nicely brings us full circle: Rallying when to rally is good, is good 🤷‍♂️

[elfin surge]

Here's an example: you are VS'ing an RMP. It's already a few goes into the game. They Cross CC your friends, but your healer manages to get out (mechanics of how unimportant here), but is physically away from you. You get KS'd into a Bomb to cover the Cross-CC mistake. He's dancing on your ass. But nobody else is popping anything. You have wall, trinket, fear, etc. What do you trade? Usually, you'd want to get away w/ just a wall. But sometimes the rogue procs triple tier set and everything crits and perhaps you just die. Other times he doesn't, but the mage has a pyro ready and two fireblasts, whilst the priest is also HF/MGing you
You prolly need to trinket the second scenario, apart from walling. Or perhaps you can just trinket-leap out of the bomb? But maybe the rogue is good and insta covers the trinket w/ another CS into another? Or maybe the stress had you trinketing, thinking to leap, but hten you realize your leap is 5s more on CD. And now it's too late, you wall, but you're already 30% hp, perhaps you die like a dog. The Rogue Flag of Ownerships your ass and cackles.

@sand shadow

[sand shadow]

yes?

[simple rock]

true

pressing cd big good

mage talent redesign

reflection and alter time is insane

[steep inlet]

Its totally disgusting

[simple rock]

having both

[sand shadow]

@elfin surge feel free to disagree dude, but do share your thoughts 🙂

[steep inlet]

Thx for mage whiners

[thorny field]

does warr have a 1 shot build atm

[simple rock]

no true one shots

arms full mastery/crit is the closest you can get

or night fae

[thorny field]

ty

what one shot buiolds are out there right now?

[nimble jasper]

playing another class

[elfin surge]

it funny

[thorny field]

thats what i mean which classes have that?

[nimble jasper]

blessing of summer

with mm hunter

[simple rock]

play necro demo with an ele or rsham that gives you skyfury

the funniest 1shots

[nimble jasper]

oneshots usually dont work vs actual players

besides blessing of summer cheese

most times people claim they got oneshot cuz they decided to sit for 3 secs when someone has full cooldowns going

[simple rock]

def farmed some high xp players playing with a necro demo on ele

[nimble jasper]

and proceed to get rolled

[simple rock]

if ele is pumping and getting cds there's nothing you can do sometimes

80k demonbolts

[high sparrow]

Dont forget we are also getting a lot of mobility

But reflection with shimmer is kinda monkashake

[languid whale]

Is there some stream about thunder comp?

[wheat crane]

Oh fuck off blizzard with the cc reduction shit

Back to 20 sec dbs

[nimble jasper]

probably not because its not a very good comp

[languid whale]

I though Elemental would be better than enhancement right now

[nimble jasper]

no

turbo is better than thunder

[craggy socket]

Damn that’s insane lol

I knew blizzard would save their baby

[robust carbon]

TBF, warrior tree looks way overtuned

[elfin surge]

good

[willow wraith]

This build is still working?

[sharp meteor]

Yep.

[paper oracle]

i mean sometimes you get TV'd for 100% of your hp in back to back globals

get shandowlandsed

[wheat jay]

How can you say its overtuned when the tuning is yet to happen

Or did you mean overloaded?

If so, then compared to other classes its not xD

[paper oracle]

we get ALL the talents

but mortal strike hits like a noodle

remember when they thought deepwounds should be our top damage xd

[wheat jay]

So do other classes, but their's are more impactful

We also lose ignore pain

So we lost a LOT of survivability with it

[paper oracle]

i mean

losing IP but gaining two heals

and with the game right now, having a heal when your healer is in CC is >> sustained damage reduction

[wheat jay]

Technically absorb is better than heal

Can't pre heal the damage

You pre-absorb the dmg

Depends on the situation I guess

Id still prefer one heal one absorb rather than two heals

[simple rock]

losing ignore pain kinda lame

would rather have that than some passive healing

[gloomy river]

Hey guys, how i gear up for pvp nowdays, i stoped playing in season 1. Is there some optimal paths , like grind honor and buy pvp set or something else. Also what is best way to grind conquest and honor ad low item lvl

[raw summit]

prolly have to get an honor set and slave away conquest

[ancient sonnet]

has anyone min-maxed the conq purchase order?

[raw summit]

grind it all out

buy all items

[near delta]

Biggest thing is tier if you don't have it from last season then weapon then just whatever.

[robust hearth]

And double leggos

[near delta]

Yeah true

[simple rock]

28k reg execute vs full gear aff

they are actually paper

[full quiver]

Lol

[high sparrow]

crit them harder then fam

[wheat crane]

Thats it

We arms boys

[craggy socket]

are outlaw rogues just unkillable as melee?

can i hit thru evasion and cloak or no

[wheat jay]

Cloak is useless almost

Its their way out of spear

[craggy socket]

100 games in finally hit my first RMP

Almost got em

you gotta go mage rght?

[nimble jasper]

depends on comp

[craggy socket]

It was outlaw RMP, I was playing fury shadow priest druid

We lost, because I was nervous and pressed cds/defensives too early in anticipation

[thick reef]

u can hit thru cloak im p sure. evasion u cannot unless they are stunned.

if u fear them u can also get 1 hit since they cant dodge while in cc but its not worth it prob unless they are super low that 1 hit will kill them

[craggy socket]

Okay

WTF is ele/boomy

Never seen that comp before just got trucked

[nimble jasper]

decent comp

[craggy socket]

Man they were strong af

[full quiver]

Lol

[glass orchid]

Are there sweat cunts out there using gavel then weapon swapping

[elder wigeon]

hardly anyone good at pvp has gavel so I haven't seen something that degenerate yet

[sharp meteor]

Can nolife it tomorrow, no? Actually I don't know how the heroic/mythic upgrade thing works.

[elder wigeon]

I'll do whatever I can to beat these scum of the earth aff rdruid players in 2's

[high sparrow]

just played vs mw / ww, both disarm, using rop and incap defensively, both with crackle knockback

just end me now

[craggy socket]

🤣

[elder wigeon]

welcome to funlands

[high sparrow]

also played vs arms sub

i leaped their cheese spear parry evasion

then they legit just ran off during their own avatar and shadowblades

😭

[elder wigeon]

everyone's dashboard lights up like a christmas tree when you're trying to have some fun and you get cucked

[high sparrow]

yeah

had a 5min game vs them too

just running until parry spear

and blinding defensively

[spice hornet]

I’ve fought this before and on blades edge

It was unbelievable

[elder wigeon]

the matchup is just unplayable lol

like you genuinely can't play the game

[spice hornet]

Fof parry

Disable

Port z axis

Lightning you off

Double disarm

Double ring

[high sparrow]

never seen it this bad

every game people play to dampen not to win

[near delta]

Dude me too. Toxic as fuck holy shit lol

[high sparrow]

decided to q some 3s might be faster conquest

first game is rdruid double lock

might be time to log off

[near delta]

They kept crackling jade lightning me off

[elder wigeon]

I didn't play bfa but I really wonder how bad it had to be to be worse than this dogshit expac

[high sparrow]

i enjoyed bfa s1 same as sl s1

after that its just downhill

[elder wigeon]

season 1 was okay