it legit can't go higher than 30% of your max health
#pvp
elder wigeon
elder wigeon
for prot I think it was capped at 30% max health and they buffed it to be higher, not sure how high though
but for prot it has no CD and can keep stacking
obviously for fury and arms you only have one IP at a time so you need brutal vitality to hit the cap unless you're necro with every buff in the world and full gear
elder wigeon
the cap or the math?
indigo barn
I think it was cap?
elder wigeon
maybe the #protection guys will know
elder wigeon
that sounds annoying to use as arms
elder wigeon
can already rage starve you in a lot of situations when you really need to IP defensively with 40 rage
indigo barn
And current IP is awful
elder wigeon
@indigo barn
so this looks like it went live for arms and fury, and it feels like ignore pain is definitely stronger now even as arms
indigo barn
That looks like a prot only buff
elder wigeon
yes but the cap was changed for arms and fury
the cap is what's important here in regards to brutal vitality
indigo barn
Me learning all the math and ins and outs of using ignore pain only to have it consumed by 2 seconds of abom limb
elder wigeon
I guess it might actually be a small nerf because there's situations where 2x the tooltip is bigger than 30% max health
fickle forge
But then again, you're prob most likely trading piercing CDR for this, and is BV worth that?
elder wigeon
depends on the matchup prob tbh
high uptime? bv is gonna add a lot of sustain, low uptime, howl condi is 10x better
ur not gonna build your IP anyways
can probably break it down to wizards = dtp, cleaves = bv
elder wigeon
@winged thistle this is in a solo shuff but you can really get some big IP's right now with high vers and BV
lean burrow
do you use that IP conduit that converts damage?
elder wigeon
yes of course
lean burrow
it's that strong?
elder wigeon
BV = brutal vitality
lean burrow
elder wigeon
it's not impossible to see 50-60k ignore pains with your cds on their cds
lean burrow
do you give up one potency conduit for it?
elder wigeon
Nope
elder wigeon
you gotta use that howl to do way more dmg or prevent a lot more dmg for it to be the same value
with that being said you don't wanna use bv into everything
it's super good into high uptime melee cleaves
trash into wizard cleaves
elder wigeon
something like this is insane healing vs like jungle
lean burrow
seeing a lot more arms players in solo shuffles
elder wigeon
a little
lean burrow
how do you determine what comps need specific conduits?
is it because you would hit druid in jungle for it to heal?
lean burrow
and victory rush is going to heal for each target hit?
lean burrow
elder wigeon
here's ur execute
fickle forge
Rookie numbers
steep inlet
elder wigeon
last season geared hunter, so 15% vers
lean burrow
that got me thinking
if mage pops his wall with clones
and fury warr rampages into him
one rampage is 4 hits
so would it instantly remove mage's wall?
elder wigeon
considered 1 attack
lean burrow
sand shadow
There's a WA that shows IP realtime absorb on the icon itself, btw, that's how I realized its a baller endu condi way back @ start SL since I was spam tanking dungeons at that time and had the WA
when the damage is not "run-for-your-lives" type damage from like, a ret or a busting mage, you could see how much BV is doing
sand shadow
yep, I haven't deleted it
here it is
if you guys are experimenting, might be helpful idk
apparently that is outdated and no longer maintained, wago links to this https://wago.io/IgnorePainTracker instead
elder wigeon
yeah i have it
sand shadow
but mine works rn so mb its fine
elder wigeon
that's how I noticed how much it was doing in the first place
sand shadow
yeah same here 😄
you might remember that BV, in the very start of SL, was largely ignored
before we had figured out what's good or not
at least thats what I remember
I distinctly remember a moment when everyone was fucking around w/ Fueld by Violence
at least on EU, that is
but FvB is dogshit, sadgely
its actually so annoying that we can't apply new conduits in starting room, so often I'd want to replace indellible w/ BV as Fury, esp if I don't run impending
but frankly, indellible never felt very valuable
looking at healing end of games
its something i guess
sand shadow
another example
what exactly are we looking for here?
apart from 15 casts each avg 23.5k?
elder wigeon
i guess bv wasn't pumping that much there
but I do see times where I keep an IP alive for a long time and it ends up being 50k+
elder wigeon
not talking about the cap
elder wigeon
is your health changing based on combat with pvp dummy?
sand shadow
not even hitting the pvp dummy
its the 4 pve dummies in org
so I can more easily stack it
but no, what would be changing my hp anyway?
not using rally or BM
now it was 32.7k twice in a row
and now 32.6k
o_O
and now it was 30.2k
something fucky is defo happening here
got it to 38.1k w/ rally
and now 31.6k
the only thing that makes sense to me is that it is somehow capped based on AP/versa/etc
nah, w/ absolutely full modifiers, incl trinket, banner, frenzy, enrage, racial, celestial guidance, mastery from FC, still had it at 31.6K
indigo barn
Gonna throw out that I think it snapshots the cap
sand shadow
meaning?
it considers all the modifiers at the time of press and puts a cap?
yes sth like that is obviously happening, but why? If it's based off of HP, then it shouldn't vary
my hp doesn't move from 109,160
gusty zinc
after a game where Im permaslowed by chains of ice, entangling roots, cyclone, vortex
warped warren
thick reef
shoulda been fury bro sorry to say.
gusty zinc
im convinced unholy wins 80% of its games in the first 20 seconds
in first game with that druid before we even started: "why are you a retard playing arms?"
sand shadow
I do believe you're overthinking this
shit humans exist, you just head dealings with one, move on
gusty zinc
Yeh, just annoyed but you right
sand shadow
he is right that if you were fury your odds of success into a DK would increase, though
gusty zinc
yeah I know, but its like when the first thing you say is, you retard for arms, and I say I find it more fun and "that doesnt matter"
like
i feel like people forget the point of video games
sand shadow
so leave party and look for another
gusty zinc
he took care of that when he kicked me LOL
sand shadow
your priorities were clearly misaligned
You said he called you a "retard playing arms" before you even started, that's a huge red flag my man
just peace it and go next 🤷♂️
and dudus don't have rake unless feral affinity
this makes me chuckle
guy is a 1.5k xp dudu playing kul'tiran
but is worried about you not min-maxing
fickle forge
full gem full gear I could prob hit a 70K on a mage
I know Troma hit 60k last season, so prob 75k-80k now
sand shadow
My god, RBG people are something else, I swear
and then you have "R1/Glad/HOTA only" groups with the leader being...
yeah.
sand shadow
oh no, another FC map
can't wait to watch a lamborghini tank cross the map in 15sec
whilst being literally unstoppable
lapis haven
What do i do agaisnt hunters man. I get dumpstered by hunters
my healer suggested that i run the spell reflect legendary
wheat crane
Saw an rdruid in 2s yesterday
"Lf big pumpers and btags for glad push"
1780 lifetime xp
Im like you do you boo
high sparrow
I respect the goal as long as hes not gatekeeping people with similar exp
lapis haven
what mmr and what healer
1600 mmr holy paladin healer but hes 2.1k xp, My covenant is necrolord
lapis haven
and what hunter
having trouble with all of them. He gets cced then i get killed in a trap but we know its coming so im not sure what to do
sharp meteor
a lot of people just sit in lfg waiting for a free carry
which can be fine just important to identify it
lapis haven
any ui tips or anything would be helpful
sharp meteor
uh something on nameplates to see important abilities
something to track cds on mobility or major cds very useful
and then just good plates for killing totems and fearing tyrant
stuck karma
LFG just feels even worse this season when trying to find groups. I guess everyone is 3k xp besides me.
sand shadow
1600 mmr holy paladin healer but hes 2.1k xp, My covenant is necrolord
ok, do this decently and you will win at that MMR a lot. Play Warbringer + Double Time + Bloodrage. Play Badge if you have it (offensive stat trinket, not bomb). Open the game instantly with full CDs, meaning you insta charge ,banner, reck, pop trinkets/racials. Tell your Hpala to not BoF you, save them for himself or after banner. You play Reck Abandon, so you needn't waste GCDs on hamstrings on the hunter, just use your crushing blow charge/leap/2charges to keep up w/ the hunter. Whilst this is happening, tell your friend to go for HoJ/blind/rep. You need to get turtle first go
stuck karma
sand shadow
If he turtles and you have CDs rolling, swap if you have to, but don't let go. Your Pala can BoP intim stun to avoid traps, sac traps, fleshcraft traps (tell him to save for traps). If you have no mobility (at least a charge + leap or two charges or he comes to you so you can piercing him to freely connect), sit pillar until you get it back, and do a 2nd push like that
You should be both tracking freezing trap CD. If you have no pressure and you know trap is inc, start thinking about pillaring. Into BM, sitting pillars cucks 95% of their dmg
it is unlikely you win the long game, so play brutally offensive, including aggressive BoPs
hpala can help you out w/ dmg too, 2 hammers into judge into shock is a decent chunk of dmg and he needs to be regularly throwing the hammers anyway
if its survival, you're not allowed to ever press BR unless you get the iron trap or venthyr auto root
for the rest, your pala needs to freedom it
tell him to play glimmer so there's an up to 1 in 3 odds that your BoPs/BoFs don't get tranq shot insta
winged thistle
What do i do agaisnt hunters man. I get dumpstered by hunters
do u stream
sand shadow
he should also be playing shielding words condi (he prolly is) so his WoGs put another trash debuff
lapis haven
do u stream
no i do not
winged thistle
record a few games one day and post them in the review channel and tag me
ill watch them
wheat crane
and then just good plates for killing totems and fearing tyrant
Fun fact his pally can just make a turn evil tyrant macro
Just need to put a /target before the cast
Cant @ the tyrant
sand shadow
no i do not
keep in mind you can record VoDs locally w/ OBS; you don't have to actually livestream your play if you don't want to
lapis haven
i have threatplates anyone have a good profile?
i have 30% haste and 38 verse should i swap gems to haste and enchants to haste?
sand shadow
o_O
that's a lot of haste and versa
i'd be more worried about my mastery at that point
and even crit, frankly
near delta
My god, RBG people are something else, I swear
I saw this healer the other day claiming to be a multi r1 in Europe whose never hit glad in NA. 
sand shadow
@near delta
sharp meteor
so what happens with these groups is that they all lie
so "glad/hero/3k ONLY" groups are just arena rivals
like the entire group and MAYBE 1-2 actual players who didn't bother checking
sand shadow
I mean, most of these that I've gotten into have had suckers like me baited
a few 2.4k+ ppl
near delta
<@269360402800836613>
sand shadow
I guess yeah
sharp meteor
which is honestly fine because nobody wants to lead so if they suck that's chilkl
but stop inviting speds good grief
sand shadow
idk what it is about BGs that makes people act absolutely insane
can't even remember how many times since uncap happened i've been in a group where we get capped on
and all hell breaks loose
sure dude, hardcore flaming the FC will certainly improve his performance
that's all that was needed, some good ol' trashtalk to push him to unlock his hidden gamer genius
near delta
idk what it is about BGs that makes people act absolutely insane
It's the intersection of the worst people in pve and the worst people in pvp.
And that's an entirely different level of crazy
sand shadow
nah it's not just about being not a great player
near delta
Lmao that too
sand shadow
I can live with that
near delta
I played this RBG late season 1
sand shadow
but not when literal 1.9k peeps are screaming in my party chat when the game isn't even lost
near delta
And the leader kept talking all this shit
sand shadow
therefore ensuring that it IS lost consequently
sand shadow
getting capped on isn't game over when you dumpstered them in the team fight
near delta
Then I noticed the leader a DH was last on the damage scoreboard by a mile
This dude
Was wearing all greens
sand shadow
you obviously still have a chance
near delta
No legendary
In s1
So had like 20k health
We were playing 9v10 basically and he had the nerve to complain haha
wheat crane
but not when literal 1.9k peeps are screaming in my party chat when the game isn...
Love that, "1400 cr push discord mandatory"
Thats a no from me dawg
sand shadow
I logged at around 15:40. Immediately began Qing for RBGs. It is now 18:51. I have played 4 games, 1-3.
as I keep telling my thickheaded friends, it's only insane conq/honor if you're winning
near delta
I logged at around 15:40. Immediately began Qing for RBGs. It is now 18:51. I ha...
RBGs are a trap
sand shadow
AND if you're not spending 40mins waiting for grp formation
near delta
as I keep telling my thickheaded friends, it's only insane conq/honor if you're ...
How much conq/honor are you getting for wins?
near delta
Cause I worked it out and it wasn't at worth
Unless you're getting super fast queues
And winning
sand shadow
yeah, but then I am forced to mordor my MMR in 2s, for example
and there will come a point, next week, when I'll need it to be 2.1k again
so I can actually upgrade
what a mess
near delta
Rank1 at 2300 in EU is hilarious
lean burrow
If he turtles and you have CDs rolling, swap if you have to, but don't let go. Y...
do you save reck for banner later?
on second go
wheat jay
Rank1 at 2300 in EU is hilarious
Fucked mmr
sand shadow
i've just decided to fuck it. Cba w/ this RBG crap. I gear when I gear, whatever
sand shadow
at this rate imma quit pvping altogether if I have to keep rbging
sand shadow
do you save reck for banner later?
almost never, no
wheat crane
Its like 200ish for an rbg win
2s is like 57
Double dps low mmr spam 2s imo
Games are over real quick
Find like a ret/feral/enh run impending
Feels fast tbh
sand shadow
there's no way on earth i'd be running anything other than DT/Warbringer/BR as dbl dps stomping low mmr
wheat crane
Even shitters know how to do dmg tho
sand shadow
don't need healing if your opponent spends the game in a natal position start to finish
left gulch
New to arms looking for some help if anyone has second
robust carbon
raw summit
New to arms looking for some help if anyone has second
Record a game or two and put em into #810664169140518947
obsidian loom
if my arena partners arent on am i just doomed to farm solo shuffle for conq?
is anything faster?
near delta
if my arena partners arent on am i just doomed to farm solo shuffle for conq?
For conq you're better off just doing 2s in LFG or RBGs
sand shadow
New to arms looking for some help if anyone has second
Ask, even if no one is around, you'll usually get at least some guidance after an hour or so; just make sure you come back later to check
But as @raw summit pointed out, VoD uploads will get you higher quality advice
unless it's basic theorycrafting stuff, such as gearing, stats, etc, of course
lean burrow
every time I think about posting vods for review
I think "I can see mistakes myself, it's too basic to bother"
probably still miss mistakes anyway
sand shadow
It's possible, of course, that that is what ends up happening
You never know, though, do ya? 😄
left gulch
So I’m going through as I like arms the best we need a rbg warrior and it seems that both are great but fury has way more uptime it seems what are benefits of warrior I come from boomi so it’s all new
Benefits of arms over fury I mean
I wanna hit like I just smacked 50mg of Dbol while on tren and test
sand shadow
Well, RBGs are outside my competency, but in general Arms has a far stronger anti-melee defensive (I imagine thats pretty good in RBGs), and a burstier damage profile. If you stack modifiers you can slap real hard in like, 2 globals. Fury is defo higher mobility and being able to keep high uptime on 8xSlaughterhouse can be pretty opressive. Its defensive is usually stronger into non-melees
Arms is also far superior at 2-target cleave, which is also pretty poggers for RBGs I'd imagine
in fact, fury doesn't really cleave for much at all outside of BS/BS signet procs 🤷♂️
Can also imagine that Arms having War Banner can be pretty good for RBGs if you place it in a sweet spot
can also imagine having Duel whilst defending your FC can be big if you know a particular spec explodes him w/ burst dmg
Fury doesn't have those
not sure if we have an RBGs nerd warrior around here, I'm sure someone that has XP there can give you more insightful pointers
wheat crane
You probably want kyrian arms on fc maps
And necro fury on teamfight maps
Run in spear cs sharpen a fc
sand shadow
actually
does Spear prevent dudus' incarn?
If it does, that's huge
but I really doubt it?
sand shadow
thing is an abomination
wheat crane
Congratulations youre a hero boomkin
sand shadow
XD
wheat crane
I wish i was kidding, i played some kyrian boomie back in like s2 before i quit
full quiver
Arms is better
You can control your 50% ms
And it won't get over written by everyone
Like slaughter house
wheat crane
Like youd have 2k cr rbg groups that couldnt wrap their head around "im not convoke"
Like it just didnt compute
"Ok bro just convoke when i auramastery"
"Lol sure bud"
shy aurora
Does it Take long to farm full conquest gear?
sand shadow
that depends mate
Do you have a banger RBG premade?
No? Prepare for pain
Yes? Ezpz
type of farm related to your win rate, can be easy, okay, annoying, or downright horrible depending on that
gusty zinc
@sand shadow thanks for the support earlier on the doodoo KT druid
didnt even consider that he was bein a goof
rough mountain
obsidian loom
phial isnt supposed to overlap with enraged regen right?
do i have some retarded macro going on?
wheat jay
Always has been
wheat jay
do i have some retarded macro going on?
LOL yes
lament hemlock
fury still meta, or is arms like playable with fun? -_-
wheat jay
really?
You phial to remove debuffs most of the time
You heal with it if there's nothing to remove and you absolutely have to heal with it
obsidian loom
i meant im getting a double use of enrage and phial
spice hornet
What
obsidian loom
i think i got a fucked my macros lmfao
craggy socket
I love people who leave after 1 game
"im not trying to teach people how to play"
LMAO
sand shadow
<@518497800971878401> thanks for the support earlier on the doodoo KT druid
hmmm? What
@lapis haven https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1567527958?t=03h50m07s you were the guy asking for help into hunters yea? Watch this, this is exactly what Guzz is doing; what I told you more or less (just plays w/ a rdudu which is the best healer for fury 2v2 rn)
spice hornet
<@313142219865456640> https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1567527958?t=03h50m07s you we...
lool the chat trashing fury warrior after bic dies
yep totally nothing wrong with survival huntr 2v2 !!
:^)
high sparrow
yep totally nothing wrong with survival huntr 2v2 !!
Yeah
its fine when a rdruid hunter can cc the warrior for 90% of the game while tunneling his healer
spice hornet
lmao yup
high sparrow
also if it wasnt for the druids massive vortex the warrior would've done 0 that entire go
high sparrow
yea its unreal
hunter rdruid or holy paladin legit makes me want to pull my hair out
spice hornet
fucking christ the last 5 solo shuffles one of the healers gets railed by a 105k+ hp dude and logs out or leaves the match
by round 3
ffs
high sparrow
yea i just had one where an undergeared feral got ran down every round
then to spite everyone he left on the last round
high sparrow
also in that clip you can see the warrior is spamming crushing blow from ranged but not getting the charge, does anyone know why that happens?
high sparrow
yeah
spice hornet
really irritating
high sparrow
losing games ebcasue of that is so tilting
spice hornet
mm nice tank solo shuffle! 3 warriors vs. guardian druid and 2 spriests
guardian druid needs its own q as well. they just spec HOTW and heal
bright spire
what is approx cd on outlaw rog's evasion?
can't heal off it, can't disarm, but I can die rlly well
sharp meteor
no idea why
It's one of those ping/batching things where you're out of melee range but the game thinks you're in it so it doesn't charge you.
sharp meteor
what is approx cd on outlaw rog's evasion?
DEpends on if you're hitting into it or if they're playing shadowdust
spice hornet
yeah its roughly like around a 1min cd
sharp meteor
realistically can't kill outlaw as cleave like ever
bright spire
ok ty so do we know how to outplay that or we just go next?
sand shadow
lool the chat trashing fury warrior after bic dies
PvP players are biased as fuck; more news at 10
😄
spice hornet
ok ty so do we know how to outplay that or we just go next?
try to kill the healer, if its rdruid or mw good luck long damper cgame and highly likely to lose
high sparrow
PvP players are biased as fuck; more news at 10
someone in chat unironically said warriors counter hunters
sand shadow
I mean, Guzz got real lucky w/ the map pick too, that's a huge map for them
imagine if it was one of the new olympic-sized ones
legit gets to a point where he's ranging your charges or sprinting around gigantic pillars that cuck your reconnect mechanics
if you think about it, the vast majority of new maps are super nasty from a warrior PoV
spice hornet
yep they are obnoxious
high sparrow
the new one with the dented pillars is horrible
spice hornet
huge for cds like alter time
sand shadow
Robodrome is sucky. Mugambala is super sucky. Coliseum is sucky. Kyrian arena is... passable. Enigma arena I FUCKING hate
Enigma arena I swear to god
is larger than Tol'Viron
it must be
gusty zinc
which 1 is enigma?
gusty zinc
idk that I have ever had that 1
obsidian loom
is sinful supposed to be mainhand?
raw summit
doesnt matter where it is
obsidian loom
k
simple rock
Robodrome is sucky. Mugambala is super sucky. Coliseum is sucky. Kyrian arena is...
they really need to trim like two arenas in DF
specifically Mugambala
idk what else
fickle forge
Just call step bro
elder wigeon
Get rid of blades edge and robodrome
craggy socket
getting focused every single game
raw summit
fr thought i think they havent fixed the mmr/cr messyness yet
craggy socket
Could be more than likely skill issue i just get easily triggered
full quiver
Lol
near delta
Am I bugging or is abom limb damage scaling crazy with gear?
simple rock
I'd like to see the awc map data. Is Mugambala or blades edge even legal? or just auto ban
craggy socket
lol what?
full quiver
🤣
near delta
I'd like to see the awc map data. Is Mugambala or blades edge even legal? or jus...
Didn't whazz get thunderstormed into the map on blade's edge that one time lol
craggy socket
run and pillar or do I just keep dpsing
near delta
Although you can make it worksit's lot more difficult into all those hunters
simple rock
as warrior am I suppose to run on big enemy cds ??
yes. on the biggest cds in current arena you have to run
wings, abom limb, tyrant
craggy socket
Yeah forsure I am def getting wrecked by these cds
simple rock
fear, slow, leap to pillar, vene away if just casters on enemy team
wall when they are connecting
craggy socket
Do I wanna use ignore pain a lot? Is that what you mean by wall?
simple rock
no, wall means enraged regen for fury
simple rock
wall = dmg reduction defensive
sometimes ignore pain is all you have as fury
but it's very detrimental to your dps
if you are getting rekt and can't kite ignore pain is the play
simple rock
Didn't whazz get thunderstormed into the map on blade's edge that one time lol
didn't see that. I guess ele must've played the fast thunderstorm talent specifically for that map
it's pretty fun into melee lol
esp dks they get fucked
near delta
so ignore pain is kinda usless?
Are you fury or arms though?
As arms ignore pain on CD is usually fine cause of the tier set
craggy socket
Im playing fury atm
sand shadow
so ignore pain is kinda usless?
its not useless, I've had games w/ up to 200K IP absorb
its context dependant
everything you have, including even challenging shout, has a place during play
craggy socket
Yeah its a big change of pace coming from a mage lol
sharp meteor
so ignore pain is kinda usless?
it's often inefficient/throwing as you give up a lot of pressure
craggy socket
Ok cool that’s solid advice, Atleast one thing I’ve been doing wrong
sharp meteor
like sometimes it's fine or even good
raw summit
ip≠barrier
sharp meteor
if you're even usually better to just rampage tho
sharp meteor
9/10 times it's "where'd we go wrong as a team in terms of cds/spacing" rather than "oh i should've pressed ip more"
just dont get cc'd or kited on rampages
craggy socket
Yeah Forsure it’s taking some get use too I’ve never really played a melee outside of some ret Paladin games
Might be a dumb question too but I am suppose to be using fear bolt cc the healer on goes like you would as rogue mage?
Or do I wanna save fear for peels normally
simple rock
depends
sharp meteor
depends on comp matchup and gamestate
simple rock
2s 3s vs setup comp or melee cleave
sharp meteor
90% of the time as turbo i bolt kill target and every other bolt is spear for instance
in retwarr you'll often bling bolt at healer and hoj kill target
80-90% of my fears are defensive, like oh i fear when they get trap here
or oh i trinket fear the rogue when mage busts
craggy socket
Ok cool just good general tips appreciate it guys
obsidian loom
theres no softcap to haste and versa yea?
full quiver
There are def capa
wheat jay
There are diminishing returns to stats
sharp meteor
uhhh after a point you probs want other stuff
like i tried every combination of stats as arms and best was haste heavy with some-moderate crit
full haste just didn't really give yuo the chance to swing games on goes
craggy socket
also found a ret paladin
thick reef
most fun if you just want to chunk people with executes
Ya the crit is good
thick reef
kleia arms <:gladge:963970137701109820>
You think its good into jungle and assas rogues still?
simple rock
for the long phial immune? don't think so
thick reef
Has it gone down
simple rock
mikanikos def the best option for sweaty games auto phial + auto stun is too good
and spear cdr
simple rock
also if you take phial immune you get 1 potency if you want the crit conduit in kleia so that's sus
nimble jasper
just worse than outlaw
simple rock
necro assa is solid
nimble jasper
well both are nust
thick reef
Yeah its solid but I think outlaw just overtakes it
simple rock
but I think you'll only see that in rps
nimble jasper
both are just heavy pressure
thick reef
Yeah
nimble jasper
but outlaw is tankier
thick reef
Outlaw is just
nimble jasper
and more control
simple rock
most outlaws are just 2s andys that suck and are carried by spec
nimble jasper
prime is have 4p buff for go
simple rock
there aren't many people playing outlaw in 3s actually
nimble jasper
then i send 2 greenskin pistol shots with kyrian ability
simple rock
even though it is s tier
nimble jasper
in a resonator kidney
nimble jasper
venthyr is funny but less reliable
have killed an rdru through prebear
as venthyr
simple rock
i've killed so many 2100 outlaw that just evasion in opener for no reason
how do u die as outlaw rdruid
nimble jasper
i’ve always just preferred playing
with kyrian priests
need the big dam
in my life
simple rock
kyrian priest w outlaw is nasty
thick reef
Yeah I usually fight that with outlaw
nimble jasper
hardcore choke when the guy eats a gouge while his dps is 30%
outlaw mw is just….
win into melee
thick reef
Shits aids to fight
elder wigeon
kill the MW they usually are balls
leaper double charge
if it's blades edge, just take the L
ur not winning that dogshit
elder wigeon
they're all dogwater except a handful
elder wigeon
just like the outlaws but the outlaws are borderline unkillable
nimble jasper
are coping so hard
nimble jasper
they're all dogwater except a handful
yeah not surprising the guy who said outlaw mw loses to no melee in 2s
is an r1 mw
craggy socket
MM hunters are so wack
nimble jasper
free w
craggy socket
with blessing of summer some super cheese
warped warren
who says dogwater lmao
simple rock
kkona
raw summit
wtf is that UI
elder wigeon
the UI of a hunter
nimble jasper
pvp ui
simple rock
r1 UI
honestly doesn't seem that bad just unorthodox frame placement
some really useless shit on the screen though
simple rock
gryphons, bag icons, stock arena frames, dps meter not in a corner, chat not in a corner
side action bars are my biggest pet peeve tho
craggy socket
man I cannot beat warlock teams to save my life right now
Any game with a lock is automatic L
Any tips?
hasty crane
nimble jasper
run on darksoul and do damage
indigo barn
If your versing demo
Kill the pet
Like no meme
Kill it on sight
Had a game where we were killing the pet every time it was summoned. The warlock did 20% of my damage at the end
craggy socket
what pet is it?
craggy socket
OHH I see so like use challenging shout and then just kill it
indigo barn
Yeah
nimble jasper
tbh
craggy socket
gangster
nimble jasper
turbo is prob worse
indigo barn
For affli, just kick UAs and use stun when he uses casting circle
indigo barn
If you keep UAs off, your healer can dispel safely
nimble jasper
to varying degrees of success
craggy socket
beats casting polymorphs 24/7 ill tell ya that for sure lol
nimble jasper
that comes with experience
fact is rmp can be losing all game
and all it takes is one person to trinket while the rogue has bomb
lucid walrus
seems like they play with any class
rogue is basically the only thing you can’t reliably play with
craggy socket
Oh 100% RMP is busted, but personally I dont really like playing RMP in LFG no comms games
Mabye if I had partners but i dont so fuck it lol
nimble jasper
and then they flag you
i’ve flagged one person all of SL
and it was a warrior that leaped out of gates
and instant trinkets db while his healer is in china
then dies
craggy socket
lol
high sparrow
i’ve flagged one person all of SL
i mostly flag rogues
high sparrow
something about flagging an outlaw rogue / druid 2s thats playing for 20min games just makes me feel good
nimble jasper
Oh 100% RMP is busted, but personally I dont really like playing RMP in LFG no c...
low rated rmp is scuffed
meanwhile
high sparrow
much rather play outlaw kyrian disc
bruh
i was miserable qing warrior / rdruid
my rdruid logged disc
now im actually having fun
lucid walrus
can’t shill kitty enough rn
high sparrow
game just felt like it went from dampeners to win in opener lmao
craggy socket
Oh yeah ive had some RMP games like that its fun when youre in focus
nimble jasper
biggest learning curve is the mage
mages who can land polys on their own or swap their sheeps are rare at lower mmr
reason why they all crutch on playing with sub
good rmps dont even stun sheep off target half the time
cuz why waste stun dr you can use in a second
craggy socket
Yeah true I noticed alot of low mmr rogues try to cheap shot way to much
nimble jasper
its fine cuz if you leave a gap go’s over
most fried thing i see is rogues who burn their mobility to get a half sap off
cuz mage is too incompetent to half poly off the first
indigo barn
Cheaping the whole team to land the big mass poly
indigo barn
You only see mass rmp at higher ratings
You watch EU gamers who que into it at 2500+ 80% of games
indigo barn
That and they don't know that you need to kite as rmp
nimble jasper
its mostly the cc thing
nimble jasper
rmp isnt one of those comps you can cc willy nilly and still win
indigo barn
True
nimble jasper
its mostly about the fact if you do your cc proper theres not much enemy team can do
about it
if you respond late good rmps will just go through whatever you used
causing you to die or trade more defs for the same go
indigo barn
The really good ones I have seen swap targets on the opening combust and farm 2 trinkets
mental pagoda
hi warrior pros, is arms or fury better this season
elder wigeon
TBD
fury is stronger into wizards arms is stronger into cleaves
more than likely fury will remain the best blind que spec
mental pagoda
ty u
nimble jasper
dont remember
indigo barn
Bruh, warriors that charge in on the opener and then 5 seconds later leaping out for a SB only for them to waddle back in and the healer has broken out of the stun when they get back
sharp meteor
Outlaw makes me wanna combust irl.
nimble jasper
nah the rogue didnt do as much
druid just made me afk half the game tho
idk why he didnt have flurry on while i was on him
thick reef
Bruh, warriors that charge in on the opener and then 5 seconds later leaping out...
feel that lol
neat gulch
hey, sorry for the question, but do you guys go for weapons or stat sticks as first conquest items?
lean burrow
get mainhand then
elder wigeon
weapon is the highest damage increase over any piece by far, getting 4 set is extremely important for fury and decently important as arms, two set is the biggest
warped warren
frappe ☕
lucid walrus
mortelle💀
sage raptor
The French make death sound delicious
warped warren
fulgurance 💀
elder wigeon
i wonder if they'll ever look at sub dmg
high sparrow
i wonder if they'll ever look at sub dmg
What do u mean sir, rogues are perfectly balanced 🤣
sage raptor
I mean you ARE getting stabbed with two daggers. I'd imagine that hurts a lot.
I'm thinking of mutilate nvm
high sparrow
Sounds more menacing for sure
fickle forge
I mean you ARE getting stabbed with two daggers. I'd imagine that hurts a lot.
Try and slice plate metal with two daggers
You'd almost heal the man wearing it 😎 👍
lean burrow
You'd almost heal the man wearing it 😎 👍
what if it's magic shadow daggers
or hitting between plates
sand shadow
yeah, plate made out of fucking gypsum at this point
fickle forge
or hitting between plates
As far as I know, an eviscerate is across the stomach, and you better not have open plating there 👀
raw summit
fix ur tmog so u dont get evis'd where u dont have armor 🧠
wheat jay
Try and slice plate metal with two daggers
You didn't SLICE plates dumbo
You stabbed into it
With special daggers
sand shadow
nah, not even the Rondel daggers were apparently used to pierce plate
mostly the idea was to use them when target is down already and you can find gaps in the armor
I got real nerdy on the topic after watching The Last Duel w/ Matt Damon
bitter walrus
hey guys can i have someones @granite steppeget intervene macro?
sand shadow
therefore, rogues hurting us w/ daggers is BULLSHIT
bitter walrus
for some reason mine isnt working.
sand shadow
@bitter walrus #showtooltip Intervene
/target Shefka
/target Odrareg
/target X
/target Y
/target Z
/cast Intervene
/targetlasttarget
I prefer this, though you can use another type as well
this is superior if you play w/ multiple people, but they're usually not in the same arena
so you can just keep on adding to it instead of having to constantly fix it
bitter walrus
what does the /target X Y Z do?
sand shadow
by that I meant add name of people you play with
sand shadow
I have different healers on that list
if healer 1 is not in the arena
it will just automatically go to healer 2
healer 3 etc
until it gets a match
and will intervene to him
the other way is to just
./cast [target=PUTNAMEHERE] Intervene
but then each time you change partners, you have to manually select the name and edit it out
without messing up the parentheses etc
bitter walrus
this works great (your first one). thanks very much
sand shadow
then you do another of those for your DPS friends in arena
and fill it up w/ their names
sand shadow
fuck you need an intervene macro for then???
bitter walrus
I wanna use intervene on my pvp COLLEAGUES
sand shadow
you can prolly build it identically to that by doing multiple rows of ./cast [target=xyz] Intervene, but havent tested it
would prolly look less scuffed, unlike mine
but it works so
sand shadow
you know what
i forbid you from using my superior macro just because of that
delete it rn
bitter walrus
D:
sand shadow
bitter walrus
who charges onto friendly targets??
sand shadow
only press intervene if that'll get you closer to the 
target
and then Frappe Mortelle his ass
lean burrow
#showtooltip Charge
/cast [mod:ctrl,@party1][@mouseover,help][help] Intervene; [nomod,@mouseover,harm][nomod,harm] Charge
who even needs separate keybind for vene, amirite?
sand shadow
doesn't this macro imply that you're mouseovering your Charges?
lean burrow
just current target if no mouseover
sand shadow
sounds a bit too much like trying to reinvent the wheel, but if it works for you and you're comfy w/ how it works 100% of the time, then cool
lean burrow
this also reminded me how blizzard made default mouseover
if you are hitting a mob and your mouse is over random dead mob while you hit buttons, it'll stop working because it thinks you want to hit mouseover
so it requires "nodead" everywhere
sand shadow
no you didn't
lean burrow
I got Q,E,R,T,Y,F,G,H,J,Z,X,C,V,1,2,3,4,5,S1,S2,S3,S4,S5,SR,ST,SY,SF,SG,SC,SV
lean burrow
it's almost 30 slots that default 3 bars have
then there's also ` and alt-1 for some reason
raw summit
I got Q,E,R,T,Y,F,G,H,J,Z,X,C,V,1,2,3,4,5,S1,S2,S3,S4,S5,SR,ST,SY,SF,SG,SC,SV
shift E?
raw summit
shift 1 is dps pot but im too stingy for it rn
i got more binds but like
SE doesnt look bad
lean burrow
I just don't know where to put it
sand shadow
I have 56 keybinds on my bars
and I can make probably at least 30 more
that will be good enough
only like 3 or 4 of these are mouse/mouse + mod
lean burrow
memeing on venthyr for a time being, empty slot is for conq banner
raw summit
I just don't know where to put it
organizing binds
sand shadow
this is with me still having C for char pane and N for talents etc
there are more than enough keybinds
raw summit
n for talents is good
lean burrow
karakter
sand shadow
I have it on F5 on my monk and rogue, because I wanted to stop using a great bind like C for stupid shit like that
but I hated it
esp since I have to swap so much crap every starting room
lean burrow
I rebound shift-B for character and B for backpack is default
sand shadow
I have shift-B to open all my bags because clicking is annoying
B is target focus
I still have a literal macro on my bars for targeting focus
because back in the stone age, there didn't exist a target focus bind in the keybinds menu
neither did a setting focus bind iirc
sand shadow
thing with keybinds is, nearly anything goes, so long as you're used to it
Whaazz is notorious for cloaking w/ shift+U for example
a horrible bind imo, but doesn't seem to slow him down
but "not enough buttons" is just false
sand shadow
they ARE easy to press d00d
you just need to have them for a bit and you'll see
whats hard about SX?
lean burrow
pressing shift-U, then moving fingers over to wasd, then something like ctrl-6, alt-1, etc is like playing piano
lean burrow
I just use everything closer to wasd
and only shift modifier
and I quickly ran out of keys
such is the life of those who like aesthetics
lean burrow
like shift-C is one of the best binds
raw summit
yep
lean burrow
hand is naturally resting on that
but pressing shift for rotational abilities would be aids
raw summit
its my piercing how
sand shadow
shift + X is perefectly fine
lean burrow
so I put it on piercing howl
lean burrow
its my piercing how
damn, nice
sand shadow
and wtf is wrong w/ ctrl mods?
lean burrow
wheat crane
signet is such an ass legendary
sand shadow
@wheat crane Signet FUCKING SUCKS
wheat crane
GIMEM AVATAR YOU POS
raw summit
damn, nice
great minds think alike 
lean burrow
ctrl is just awkward to press while on wasd
sand shadow
and then there'd be a blinded target next to me so i a mfucking scared to press reck in case it storms
wheat crane
like deadass i pop cds and i have to wait a half second to see which fucking proc i get
sand shadow
so I have to go to the side
lean burrow
pinky bending down is uncomfortable
wheat crane
so i can continue on
sand shadow
so I can cancel
lean burrow
it is, that's why people use C to crouch in shooters
warped warren
ctrl is fine
sand shadow
what
lean burrow
instead of ctrl to crouch like in halflife
sand shadow
I competed in WCG CS 1.6 using ctrl to crouch wdym
lean burrow
it's still uncomfortable if the game also requires shift