Then lose without bm ever trapping
#pvp
lucid walrus
why hasnāt shadow of the colossus been removed from talents yet
near delta
Goddamn someone has left the last 5 solo shuffles I try in the 2nd or 3rd round lol
full quiver
That shit pisses me off
craggy socket
Where yall at in 2s now?
full quiver
Tbf I left one when homie didn't bubble 3 games in a row
craggy socket
Hit around 1700 and feelin sweaty af
full quiver
I'm 1950 and it feels ok
full quiver
I'm om survival hunter lmao
craggy socket
Oh youre playing surv not warr
full quiver
War with rdruid is easiest to learn imo
simple rock
got duelist for upgrades and it was not fun
wish I didn't so I could have low mmr for conq
craggy socket
You guys like spear or necro for 2s?
I was trying spear but damn the gigachads with necro are pumpin' me now
craggy socket
True
near delta
Spear is just so versatile
magic void
Iāll try it out and see dude
simple rock
unless it's double dps or rogue I don't like auto stun in 2s
near delta
unless it's double dps or rogue I don't like auto stun in 2s
Yeah I only play it into setup comps
magic void
I have a Vendetta against them. Are they weak against rogues?
near delta
Like it can save your ass vs a ww sometimes
simple rock
i only play no comms in 2s and no one has edited their arena frames to show autostun dr lol
near delta
i only play no comms in 2s and no one has edited their arena frames to show auto...
lol yeah
simple rock
Then lose without bm ever trapping
used to think I was so slick reflecting every trap then they just started going my healer and out pressuring me
full quiver
Are you arms or fury
obsidian loom
340k while being trained lmao
And full healing because you can spam drain
full quiver
used to think I was so slick reflecting every trap then they just started going ...
Yeah I swear you can outplay the cc and just auto lose cause they do same damage from 30yards away lol
simple rock
yeah and honestly most hunters are really kiteable you just run around pillar during their traps
better for hunt to just afk pve
full quiver
Form hunter pov people going my pet is annoying af
wheat crane
Goddamn someone has left the last 5 solo shuffles I try in the 2nd or 3rd round ...
This lowkey is shit
Wait 10 min in q as dps, someone leaves in the starting room, everyones kicked immediately
Back to 10 min q
lucid walrus
currently have more of an issue with grinding conq than grinding honor
not looking forward to that reversal
lucid walrus
i guess once youāre decked out with conq it gets easier since you can throttle people in pubs
wheat crane
And its a ton of honor solo
high sparrow
Honors actually pretty easy
until u have to upgrade weapons
and realize its over 15k honor per weapon to max
and u need 2
simple rock
if the queues are fast solo shuffle seems like the play
sharp meteor
Honors actually pretty easy
costly for rival-duelist stuff
wheat crane
I mean it is what it is
sharp meteor
Where yall at in 2s now?
like 1800 cr on one, 1950 cr on the mains and 2200ish mmr on all three
sharp meteor
3s partners moving into new house or something so im in shambles temporarily
wheat crane
Also when the fuck did blizzard think 8 tiers of upgrades where necessary
lucid walrus
ngl fellas kitty is real good fun
sharp meteor
hm? they just applied pve progression thing to pvp which honestly isn't that bad
simple rock
ngl fellas kitty is real good fun
kitty is fun as hell because it's a comp where you don't always get trained as arms
sharp meteor
i mean it sucks if you don't play ranked but bg players don't deserve nice things
nimble jasper
or boosted melee teams 300 cr above where they belong
lucid walrus
kitty is fun as hell because it's a comp where you don't always get trained as a...
my priest tells me āyo you know mag doesnāt play this like a setup at all right? he plays impending every gameā
i try it and sure enough, i just donāt die
wheat crane
Nah i get it but i thought we were asking for less upgrades not more after s1 lol
simple rock
yeah unless it's vs fury you just can't die with impending + feral off heals and peels
lucid walrus
feral stuns/clones everything, i use my evil skeleton flag to let him bleed shit deader
simple rock
we'll see how arms feels with full gear
lucid walrus
feels real nice into ret/war
nimble jasper
idk how anyone plays fury 2s
lucid walrus
had to get dude his weapon last night but he has 278 conduits & polearm now. will see what itās like on the up and up
nimble jasper
for extended periods of time
this spec is even more boring than manaburn dh was
š
lucid walrus
this spec is even more boring than manaburn dh was
iām saying
simple rock
better than arms 2s
sand shadow
wdym more boring, Arms is even worse
simple rock
true suffering
ancient sonnet
Do you run Arms or Fury as Kitty?
sand shadow
at least I can just dbl time warbringer bloodrage every game as fury and just yolo it
nimble jasper
idk ig i just like comps
that can win in opener more
in 2s at least
pve slugfest is
sand shadow
so not warrior then
simple rock
unless you play with hybrid that doesn't happen
nimble jasper
where peopel dont press
sand shadow
eh, low enough mmr, then anything can win in opener
nimble jasper
true
lucid walrus
Do you run Arms or Fury as Kitty?
eitherās prob fine ngl
sharp meteor
hmm can win opener just usually not super reliably unless smurfing
nimble jasper
also
simple rock
I played double dps to 2k as fury it was 10x more fun than with healer
sharp meteor
usually play is to just be efficient and win on like third spear or something
craggy socket
Man, I can never improve at this game
obsidian loom
Idk if you've seen the awc want to be career rivals holding trinket or walls until DF but lordy
sand shadow
@craggy socket why not
obsidian loom
It's amazing
sharp meteor
recording games and watching when you chillin helps see mistakes
sand shadow
record VoDs and watch them
sharp meteor
once you get in game harder to pay attention to stuff, easy to lose track
sand shadow
ok someone already told you that even
sharp meteor
watching back when you chillin is easier
nimble jasper
Idk if you've seen the awc want to be career rivals holding trinket or walls unt...
i killed an rsham in opener other day
craggy socket
Idk no matter what class I play im always stuck at low ratings
nimble jasper
because he decides to sit resonator mindgames
sharp meteor
then just always think that you could've done somethjing better, because you usually can
sand shadow
then all you need is to work on the things that you already probably know are an issue, and get ideas from others and start incorporating those
nimble jasper
from outlaw hpriest
sand shadow
anyone can learn
obsidian loom
i killed an rsham in opener other day
sharp meteor
even if you won
craggy socket
12 wins for 35 games at the 1600-1700 bracket thats like 33% win rate feels bad
sand shadow
Idk no matter what class I play im always stuck at low ratings
it takes time to get the basics of arena
craggy socket
Ive played a few seasons lol
figured warrior would be better than mage for learning shit
simple rock
spam more games, review gameplay, watch streamers
nimble jasper
meleecleave is easier
sand shadow
Played a few seasons how long? 1 queue per day or?
nimble jasper
to learn the basics
simple rock
make sure you're playing all the correct talents/soulbinds/conduits/leggos
sand shadow
@craggy socket Mage is definitely not a newbie class, and it prevents you from running 2s more or less
craggy socket
Yeah I like my warrior alot
sand shadow
You want to start off w/ 2s with something that is good in 2s. Not to carry you, but so people want to Q with you
craggy socket
just sucks losing 2 out 3 games ya know
sand shadow
Well, warrior is not in a great place in 2s rn. We rock in 3s, but in 2s the meta is incredibly aids for a warrior
sharp meteor
mage newbie class if u queuing with another wizard in 3v3 otherwise its a rough go to get started on
wheat crane
Arena is difficult
craggy socket
I quit mage bc only 1 comp thats really good and i cannot play RMP to save my life im lost af lol
wheat crane
Most of us have 10+ years of arena experience at this point
craggy socket
Mabye ill try 3s
wheat crane
On and off
sand shadow
It's not just about spam Qing, even if that's a necessary first step, you need to think too
sand shadow
I always strongly advise newbies to stick to 2v2 for a start
nimble jasper
sand shadow
It is much better to learn in 2s
craggy socket
Yeah my first season was end of bfa season 4, played a little s1 shadowlands but ive played alot last two seasons
sand shadow
Go to Achievements -> Statistics -> PvP, tell us how many arena games
sharp meteor
2s is nice to learn drs and how to spam damage into non-pve targets
wheat crane
Donkeys right tho, you need to think about it, positioning and timing
sharp meteor
all i did was spam 2s for a long time then when i found 3s everybody said i hit so much harder than most of the other people they had queued with
craggy socket
615 on this warrior, highest 3s rated 1999 and 2s 1870 but that was shadowlands season 2 lol
wheat crane
Whyd you lose? He hit me for a 56k aim shot!
craggy socket
615 total games
sand shadow
2s is just easier on all fronts. Fewer people in the arena, therefore more bandwidth available to think about what just happened and actually learn talents/abilities/covs/leggos/conduits/pvp talents, etc
craggy socket
I guess 615 aint much, my mage has prob 5-6k
sand shadow
That's not a lot at all friend, you're not doing bad for that much effort
sharp meteor
mhm lots going on in 3v3 so easier to get a grasp on stuff in 2s
craggy socket
Honestly figured it was way higher does make me feel better about it lol
lucid walrus
I quit mage bc only 1 comp thats really good and i cannot play RMP to save my li...
mage unironically has one of if not the highest skillcaps
nimble jasper
all i did was spam 2s for a long time then when i found 3s everybody said i hit ...
i hit really hard at the start cuz
raid alot
sand shadow
2s is easier to understand what is happening, but also far superior to learn at least the basics of what enemy specs do, it's still a vastly knowledge-based game
craggy socket
everyone told me mage was ez af poly, bust, and run lol
sharp meteor
mage unironically has one of if not the highest skillcaps
you don't have to play anywhere near the skill cap to get results
lucid walrus
you certainly donāt
sand shadow
@craggy socket Everyone says that about every single spec in existence. And has been doing that since 2004
sharp meteor
although if you hopping in at 1600 with a 1500 rogue then it's going to be a miserable time
craggy socket
Truthfully I enjoy the warrior playstyle alot ngl
sand shadow
Source: I was there in 2005
nimble jasper
my first games of 3s as rps were funny after knowing how to raid on that char
sand shadow
Nothing is "Free", you still need to understand quite a bit
craggy socket
Yeah PvE probably helps get to know the class
nimble jasper
āgonna mc dps off to corner, the fuck did you just solo their rshaman behind losā
craggy socket
I reallllly liked playing arms s2
sand shadow
Even on my outlaw, it looks so easy when highly experienced outluls are making my warrior lyfe miserable, but it's not as simple as it looks. It's like that for everything, even BM hunter.
craggy socket
I suppose thats how it is with anything
nimble jasper
and make it look unfair
sand shadow
That said, specs like outlaw right now will obviously allow you to climb to a higher rating at a lower effort, that part is completely accurate
craggy socket
I watch james hetfield play master of puppets solo , "I can do that lol"
simple rock
that's cap, bm hunter is true drooling spec
sand shadow
nah, its not, I alted it to 2.4k last ssn
nimble jasper
i swear every time i see howton when he was playing venthyr crit sub
sand shadow
landing traps consistently like the peeps I meet on my warr took effort
nimble jasper
just 100-0 someone in a dr cheapshot
craggy socket
gladiator is the last thing i want to achieve in wow
sand shadow
and some experience
nimble jasper
actual wtf moment
simple rock
we were talking about it earlier
you don't even need to trap much
as bm to get like 2.1k
sand shadow
@craggy socket then start recording VoDs. You don't even have to stream them, OBS allows you to do it locally. You can only upload whatever you want for others to check for you. The rest you can watch yourself
Trust me when I tell you, it's so so so obvious, the majority of mistakes you do in arena, when you're relaxing and just watching a VoD
craggy socket
Intersting Ill check it out
sand shadow
That's why there's a thing such as "twitch chat" these days
craggy socket
thanks, this discord is extremely helpful
and super active compared to the class discords
sand shadow
Everything looks easier when you watch whilst drinking a beer. Much harder to actually do yourself
lucid walrus
recording has the upside of saving fragmovie material once youāre good
sand shadow
Otherwise every single person on Twitch would be R1.
lucid walrus
recording has the upside of saving fragmovie material once youāre good
(do not use it for this)
nimble jasper
i played arms dh with a dh that never pvped before
0-2k in one session but the dh knew how to pve people
really hard
craggy socket
Hahahah
craggy socket
What do you guys play in turbo? gonna lfg for a bit, spear or banner?
lucid walrus
got a bud who was top 15 wws in legion. grabbed his s1 2.1 with a dk who DRād every sweep with auto petstun
sand shadow
Good PvErs should never be underestimated, imo. As a DPS, having a fuckton of high-end PvE experience makes a difference. Your main objective is to do the maximum damage possible after all, and they're good at that
sand shadow
@craggy socket spear imo, but if you're struggling, banner is more of a press-and-forget type deal
sand shadow
btw, I made a drop-at-feet-macro for spear and actually ended up using it quite a lot rofl
its an extra bind, but it feels like it improved my consistency
lucid walrus
i like my wrists a bit much for fury pve to be an option ngl
simple rock
used to think I was a big pumper in m+ then I played with a destro lock early in s3
not even close man
sand shadow
idk, I just wanted to test it. I came back to S3 towards the end to get the glad bird and one night I am absolutely crushing it, 100% accuracy w/ spear, next night I miss like 10% of my spears, which is absolutely triggering
craggy socket
i like my wrists a bit much for fury pve to be an option ngl
bro thats how you get swole
sand shadow
especially since some spears you just win if you land, or lose if you miss
craggy socket
warlocks get all the PI so they pump and they were giga OP busted
lucid walrus
thatās the inside loop for carpal tunnel fam
sand shadow
I used to do some Fury M+ end of BFA S4, I needed a rest after each key
my hands were completely fucked
"need 1 for 123", oh really? You go do that slackers, I am resting my fucking hands
wheat crane
I like tanking m+
sand shadow
tanking M+ is fun AF
sand shadow
I did it tryhardmode in S1SL, even got #2 world š
but warrior was complete dog for tanking
lucid walrus
shame there wasnāt an r1 title for it then
sand shadow
one gap in your mitigation usually meant death
wheat crane
FUCKING TRASH TANK THIS PACK IS .6% LESS
lucid walrus
doesnāt seem attainable this szn on pwarr with kara being a thing
sharp meteor
ya nothin for dungeons until like unchained
wheat crane
Bro take a shower for once
sand shadow
that's before they giga-nerfed all trash and bosses like 5 times in all dungeons
my proudest key was 21 vampire guys, forgot the name
22 was the WF
Sanguine Depths
lucid walrus
FUCKING TRASH TANK THIS PACK IS .6% LESS
pvers never learning what a DR is really gets me
sand shadow
that shit was brutal as a warrior
oh yeah, as a tank a fuckton rides on you being competent
sand shadow
even in an organized setting, the expectation is that routing, and therefore CD management, rests on you
which is, frankly, bullshit
a tank will never understand the flow of CDs better than the DPS guy
sand shadow
thankfully, my bestie was a fire mage, and fire mages were insane
could legit near solo end a pack, no matter how large, on his own
lucid walrus
yeah the efficacy of your group depends a bunch on pacing, ergo pull size and by extension the mileage of each round of cds
sand shadow
that was before they nerfed the firestorm leggo for fire ofc
sand shadow
yeah the efficacy of your group depends a bunch on pacing, ergo pull size and by...
absolutely. IT was also a struggle to convince my peeps that we can't just flat out copy the pros
prot warrior neither lived as well, nor had as much CC as the meta tank at that point, which was VDH
lucid walrus
thereāre some fun takeaways from the top level that trickle into pugs
sand shadow
so you actually have to figure out stuff for your particular comp, which is kind of fun
lucid walrus
skipping last pack of workshop is neat
as was the gate through the wall to first boss in mists
sand shadow
yep
it actually took me forever to convince our druid to pull through the portals in mists too
remember there was a point where I had so much mitigation through CDs that were just sitting there useless that we could make a gigantic pull
which was mostly non-threatening for a strong physical dmg tank like protwarr
nimble jasper
yeah bears do too
sand shadow
on the other hand, anything that spammed magic casts was fucking brutal as a warrior
nimble jasper
bears are ridic in their cds tho
lucid walrus
i only enjoyed DOS as a dps warrior bc of how many mechanics were reflectable
sand shadow
sadgely, they nerfed reflects in M+ a fuckton after BFA š¦
remember the penultimate boss in that old gods dungeon?
lucid walrus
dealerās big aoe? iāll pass. punch-out from mueh? nah iāll stand my ground
sand shadow
nono
nimble jasper
there used to be so much reflect tech in wod cms
sand shadow
Shrine of the Storms
nimble jasper
shrine
sand shadow
found it
lucid walrus
ahh
nimble jasper
in wod grimrail
nimble jasper
if you had grounding totem glyped you could stand in the fire dropped by the cannon on 2nd boss
sand shadow
he spam casted an interruptible bolt on tank that was reflectable for a bazzilion dmg
sand shadow
prot could be #1 on the dps meters on that boss š
the higher the key, the more insane the reflected dmg
nimble jasper
can do it in some SL keys
just super sus as dps warrior
since you have to taunt before the cast
sand shadow
taunt into reflect into GLORY
nimble jasper
and not the auto swings
nimble jasper
council boss in everbloom could dark sim the boss bramble cast
and toss under a boss
lucid walrus
the higher the key, the more insane the reflected dmg
you can thump last boss of upper kara with one of his own casts iirc
several hundred thousand to gain from it
nimble jasper
burning blast
sand shadow
might be, I only did M+ for a very short while, haven't done a single key more or less since
nimble jasper
he casts it alot
nimble jasper
so he kind of melts in a warrior heavy group
lucid walrus
i piggyback off my broās raiding guild on occasion. theyāre coincidentally trying to learn arena & whatnot
craggy socket
Who are the best warrior streamers?
sharp meteor
tempted to get into keys if pvp structure remains as is which is glad being top 5k and r1 is top 150
nimble jasper
keys are even more fotm heavy
sharp meteor
Who are the best warrior streamers?
hm probably like smexxin magnus joefernandes laros off the top of my head oh and mud but idk if he streams 3s
lucid walrus
kyrian arms cranks like hell in pve but itās not a purple or blue class
sharp meteor
idk what their schedules are or if they even stream now that i think about it
nimble jasper
kyrian arms cranks like hell in pve but itās not a purple or blue class
or green
lucid walrus
yup
sand shadow
Can also follow Dekel, Tay, Mud
sadgely, the true warrior trainer, Blizo, hasn't streamed since Legion i believe
warped warren
@elfin surge lmao last on the prio
sand shadow
<@269709440146604032> lmao last on the prio
truuuu
sharp meteor
whereas na just do viewer games yep
nimble jasper
i dont get akroās stream at all
sand shadow
@craggy socket https://check-pvp.fr/ranking/eu/all-realms/all-factions/1/71,72,73/all-covenants/rateatm3v3/desc/1, can check NA too
sand shadow
rightmost column shows if they have their twitch linked, and quite a few do
simple rock
everyone is too worried about stream sniping teams to show high rated arena
nimble jasper
everyone is too worried about stream sniping teams to show high rated arena
reminds me the one time whaazz said
there was 4 teams
trying to snipe each other
at the same time
and getting the wrong ones
sand shadow
@craggy socket https://www.twitch.tv/l1mps this ruski warrior is also pretty solid, streams fairly regularly
nimble jasper
what about exzistance
sand shadow
I mean, guy is 2k xp, most warriors can teach him quite a bit
so long as he doesn't watch ggrim, im happy
nimble jasper
grimgrip?
bright spire
so with full duelist gear we still going for unity on belt or we moving to neck/something else?
sand shadow
Merce also streams warrior games every now and then
nimble jasper
i just noticed
that a fuckton of rogue and mage players stream
relatively
i guess onetaps and 2s are more stream content
near delta
Ilvl check? At 294 now.
sand shadow
š¦
haven't played yet this week tho, I guess I have to RBG now
fuck me
I took pieces over sockets on my warriors, fuck having to farm honor
sand shadow
keep in mind that they can be on alts, too, the glad mount is acc-bound
craggy socket
Almost got em lol
lucid walrus
Ilvl check? At 294 now.
scaled or nah?
lucid walrus
think iām 293 scaled
warped warren
nimble jasper
thicc gavel
lucid walrus
i understand the love for t6
sand shadow
jesus im behind
ornate python
what's that addon that makes the inspect screen 10x better?
lucid walrus
on the bright side you need 2 less honor caps
sand shadow
@ornate python DejaCharacterStats is what you mean prolly
ornate python
nah there's one that like, immediately shows missing enchants etc
@spice hornet
what was it that you used
sand shadow
ah ya thats diff
full quiver
my 2x311 wep advantage evaporated overnight
Lol ya you needed to push asap
lucid walrus
bettercharacterpanel he said
sand shadow
I should prolly get that one, I keep having the non-enchant problem
nimble jasper
i should push but lazy
lucid walrus
jus checked history
warped warren
on the bright side you need 2 less honor caps
this is the best part lmao
lucid walrus
it is tho
warped warren
lucid walrus
thatās like >20 less rando bgs
nimble jasper
people who q
nimble jasper
guardian solo shuffle
nimble jasper
i have like
lucid walrus
mud did hella iirc
warped warren
same
warped warren
playing guardian
lucid walrus
warped warren
lucid walrus
tempted to get a buddy to hop on a hybrid and just play openers in 2s
nimble jasper
too much feed
nimble jasper
like 67%
sand shadow
still need to do it on my other warr tho
altho, frankly, I think I'll abandon him for the time being
lucid walrus
kidās a beast
elfin surge
Can also follow Dekel, Tay, Mud
dekel that tank qer
lucid walrus
rdruid abuser or otherwise
sharp meteor
what happened with dekel again he queued like prot/mw/arms and/or statbugged back in legion and has been kind fo down bad ever since
full quiver
That arms or fury
sand shadow
i know there used to be drama around Dekel, but he's a solid warrior, a 2k xp guy can learn from him
and its NA drama so
just kidding ā¤ļø
sharp meteor
dang denied by dekel mud in shambles
lucid walrus
scratching the nape of my neck trying not to log in nd farm conq rn
simple rock
best streamer to watch as a warrior is drainer
full quiver
Please tell me your reflex is arms war
simple rock
if you want to be 2s god
sharp meteor
Please tell me your reflex is arms war
no i grief my healer hard enough with meme races
alt warr is still arms
full quiver
Booooo
sharp meteor
arms seems better rn i should've played it
lucid walrus
i remembered the keyblade transmog existed and almost got hit with the desire to make a mickey mouse cosplay meme alt warr
sharp meteor
hm yep that's not sus at all nope
sharp meteor
he had like 3 warrs in top 10
ornate python
Fried orcra? 10/10?
full quiver
Lol
sharp meteor
now we scrapin by with duelist hm
elfin surge
tank cleave x3
elfin surge
this is why i dont like dekel
full quiver
š
elfin surge
šµāš«
near delta
scaled or nah?
Scaled I have barely any pve pieces tho
lucid walrus
ditto
lucid walrus
scored a nice m+ tier helm early on and been skating by w/ that
near delta
Jesus christ. What comp was he playing back then?
sharp meteor
Jesus christ. What comp was he playing back then?
mw/protwarr/arms
sharp meteor
i remember a buddy having alts on a few servers to dodge them because
nimble jasper
or something
sharp meteor
rsham just got gaped by prot/arms
sharp meteor
i mean alts to see if they were online and queuing
lucid walrus
ahhh
nimble jasper
ngl why do i feel like
lucid walrus
thatās funny as fuck
lucid walrus
they for sure do
nimble jasper
actual 
behavior
sharp meteor
i mean if matchup is 80-90% lose rate and you only need 1-2 wins for ssafe r1 i dont blame him
lucid walrus
hasnāt SL r1 just been snipe/dodge central because of how rock paper scissors the top 3 comps were
rmp ret/war jungle
sharp meteor
makes sense to dodge and snipe if you can
why queue up if there's three counters playing
just gonna donate cr for no reason
near delta
mw/protwarr/arms
Oh was that with Memphisrains? Lol
nimble jasper
then theres the eu
sharp meteor
yeah who seems to play turb now with his mw
nimble jasper
6am wintrades
sharp meteor
actually haven't seen him since unchained
sand shadow
already in an RBG grp w/ people wanting to snipe randomass streamers, cringe intensifies
sharp meteor
also i think he sold one of his old r1s to that fat guy
lucid walrus
why queue up if there's three counters playing
visual aid offered
sharp meteor
marauder or something
nimble jasper
oh dearā¦.
near delta
I really don't get the rbgs. 2s gives more conq per 5/10 minutes and solo shuffle gives way more honor
sharp meteor
daily win is sick
lucid walrus
the weekly too
lucid walrus
also fast vault
sand shadow
Dekel has a R1 in MoP too, and I have watched him, whatever he Q'd with, he's a very solid arms warrior. Keep in mind this was in answer to a person at 2K XP looking for people to learn from
near delta
Yeah I go for daily win then call it gg
nimble jasper
hes not a bad guy tbh
craggy socket
Is warrior in 3s kinda āhit who you canā spec? Like if Iām being kited by ākill targetā, do I wanna chase, hit who I can or just pillar normally?
near delta
asking for guardian fc
Tbf, playing against a guardian fc when you don't have one is maddening
sand shadow
I am not a Dekel fan or anything, he's not even on my region, but I watched him play and I agree with most of what he does
simple rock
Tbf, playing against a guardian fc when you don't have one is maddening
isn't that like complete int in rbgs? not having druid
sand shadow
hence I suggest other warriors learning to play watch him, esp since most twitch warriors only stream every now and then, so you need a large roster in order to have someone to watch whenever
sharp meteor
Is warrior in 3s kinda āhit who you canā spec? Like if Iām being kited by ākill ...
depends on the degree but usually you have preferred target then hit what you can while reaching them
craggy socket
Got yelled at for āpressing w towards a targetā lmao
near delta
isn't that like complete int in rbgs? not having druid
Yes it is lol
sharp meteor
or tabbing off cds/hots is also good
sharp meteor
Got yelled at for āpressing w towards a targetā lmao
it is possible to tunnel too hard and be ineffiicent
nimble jasper
meleecleaves have always been about
craggy socket
Okay cool, that makes sense
sharp meteor
arena in a nutshell is be effciient in dmg and avoiding dmg
lucid walrus
Is warrior in 3s kinda āhit who you canā spec? Like if Iām being kited by ākill ...
there are better kill targets than others but you always always always want uptime
high sparrow
Dekel has a R1 in MoP too, and I have watched him, whatever he Q'd with, he's a ...
this
nimble jasper
hitting whoever generates the most pressure
near delta
Since they're an unpeelable, unccable Ferrari for 20 seconds every 3 minutes
craggy socket
Gonna try that thanks guys
high sparrow
also as scummy as queueing a tank is, lets not pretend there arent conventional comps just as easy and broken every other season
elfin surge
Jesus christ. What comp was he playing back then?
cringe cleave
nimble jasper
prot arms mw
elfin surge
prot arms mw
nimble jasper
so perma battle
elfin surge
x3
sand shadow
or wtv memey name they came up w/
sand shadow
didnt prot have a pvp talent for single target spam taunting for a stacking %dmg modifier? š
sand shadow
mighit still have it, havent checked
craggy socket
Does hitting the gym irl make my executes hit harder?
nimble jasper
and bodyguard
lucid walrus
Does hitting the gym irl make my executes hit harder?
unironically yes
elfin surge
if he got r1 the season after that playing something normal like turbo nobody would care he qd tank cleave
sharp meteor
built diff
sand shadow
that's a bit unfair, @elfin surge, it does look like he just didn't play actively the ssn after
sharp meteor
god i wish that were me
sand shadow
his highest bfa s1 is elite 2v2, you don't go from r1 the previous ssn to that, no matter how broken a comp you ran, if you actually try
his title alone would've ensured he gets carried even if atrocious at the game
nimble jasper
i saw some sus shit other day
a grievous glad druid
never past duelist
afterwards
high sparrow
imagine being this bent on someone else getting a r1 off a tank comp 6 years ago
sand shadow
also, don't forget how people like Bicmex came around, their checkpvp sus as hell too
this is Bicmex
nimble jasper
personally idk i dont think dekel is as bad
sand shadow
Challenger -> Rival -> Duelist -> R1 -> x3 Duelist -> domination
nimble jasper
as some of the sinful r1 warrs
sand shadow
thats because he isn't bad at all
high sparrow
personally idk i dont think dekel is as bad
Doesnt matter bro he queud a tank cleave to r1 this one time 6 years ago!111!!
nimble jasper
he seems an ok guy tbh
sand shadow
wait, @high sparrow arent you the prot he Qd with? š
nimble jasper
mostly cuz he doesnt have an ego with it
high sparrow
wait, <@528675480732172338> arent you the prot he Qd with? š
no lol im not even NA
sand shadow
I remember the prot was memphisraine or sth like that
high sparrow
ure thinking of memphisrains
high sparrow
my name is a reference to hit the quan
high sparrow
banger tune
lucid walrus
i think so
nimble jasper
but yeah idk
nimble jasper
sinful r1 retwar/turbos
near delta
I thought everyone and their moms are in RBgs now
People realized its a poor time investment prob
simple rock
it's 10am/1pm on a weekday
nimble jasper
didnt sinful ssn also give rise
sand shadow
@simple rock im eu
sand shadow
People realized its a poor time investment prob
wat? isnt that BiS for conq/honor?
nimble jasper
42-0 challenge
sand shadow
pls no
nimble jasper
bro
high sparrow
arent much better than dekelās mancleave
exactly thats what im saying
simple rock
I was so sure you were NA this whole time
nimble jasper
def not 42-100
sand shadow
im from the Balkans mate
simple rock
EU pvp seems very dead this season
simple rock
i'm visiting Poland soon
sand shadow
still a lot of russians playing idk
simple rock
gonna play NA servers with 150ms 
nimble jasper
i get 100 ms on kazzak
lucid walrus
did blizz banning russia
i think it might've
aren't their credit cards still fucked?
simple rock
I think unless you can pay with gold or you had long sub it's rough playing from russia
lucid walrus
would explain their lower participation
near delta
wat? isnt that BiS for conq/honor?
I was getting like 150 conq for on average 10/13 minute games with a longer queue time and having to find people in between
simple rock
do any of you guys boost? thinking of getting into it in DF for t3 gold lol
know mud does
near delta
Whereas 2s you get 56 conq per win on average 3 minute games with instant queues
And random solo shuffle is a much better source of honor since the queues are popping rn in na at least
sharp meteor
bowling ball
lucid walrus
bruh got a spare for sure
sharp meteor
also missiles fucking sting now
simple rock
what is this spec
literally all that spec has going for it
sharp meteor
have full t3 now tho
epic im just missing boots
simple rock
and being slippery
nimble jasper
well i dont have bracers
near delta
do any of you guys boost? thinking of getting into it in DF for t3 gold lol
I really don't have the patience for it lol
simple rock
i'm on a big server so I'd need to transfer a toon to a smaller one to make it affordable
you can get bargain BMAH deals on dead realm groups
lucid walrus
literally all that spec has going for it
fr tho
robust carbon
Hey guys, noob question, but for kyrian arms, what tier piece is not used
nimble jasper
rogue t3 helm up
robust carbon
Chest or hands?
lucid walrus
got every piece of dreadnaught but boots for like sub-250k
waitin on ripper or tabs other than flame
near delta
Chest or hands?
I normally see chest not used
robust carbon
Chest is haste mast, hand is crit mast
near delta
gloves and hands are both haste mastery right
Gloves and hands :p
elfin surge
also, don't forget how people like Bicmex came around, their checkpvp sus as hel...
mine isnt š
robust carbon
If Iām not mistaken
simple rock
err chest and gloves xd
sand shadow
I was getting like 150 conq for on average 10/13 minute games with a longer queu...
gave me 218 my 2nd win
2-0 bby
or you mean on avg when you factor in losses?
near delta
gave me 218 my 2nd win
That's what it said on loot channel but it could not be including conquest buff
sand shadow
o shit, a wild Blizo in my RBG
near delta
We didn't lose a game tho
near delta
Lmao
sand shadow
XD
sadgely, not even arms
should've known, reached too high
1.7k MMR after all
thats like r1 rbg innit
KEKW
warped warren
lmao
sand shadow
man, how am I expected to win
they have a guy called Rbgmonster on their team
unwinnable
lucid walrus
incredible
high sparrow
they have a guy called Rbgmonster on their team
rngmonster's lesser known cousin
sand shadow
by the time ssn ends, w/ some more time and inflation, we could have an OG glad
thats kinda cool I guess
0.5%
simple rock
real cutoff based glad is stressful
need to keep checking cutoff in final week unless you're wayyy ahead
wary heart
"Relative to last season, participation is very low, where we saw 17% and 21% for EU and US realms, respectively, roughly at this point in the season (compare that to 7% and 12% this season in 3v3 for EU and US realms, respectively). "
absolutely dead game
simple rock
7% and 12% of all active 60s?
wary heart
yep
simple rock
that's honestly higher than I imagined
nimble jasper
nah season 1 was popping
wary heart
because subs go down
near delta
season to season its dreadful
I imagine a ton of those are people who queued a couple games and noped out
wary heart
for sure
nimble jasper
end seasons are usually more dead
wary heart
if you're an lfg andy checkin out how arena is and you get rmp'ed in the first 2-3 games you just stop playing
nimble jasper
than first 1s
simple rock
i'd like to see the same stat but with 50+ games
sharp meteor
this season gonna be short too
nimble jasper
idk why complain
sharp meteor
watch eu have like 400 glad drakes or something
wary heart
idk why complain
if you are new or coming back to pvp after a while
no way
you dont even have a trinket
nimble jasper
rmp hasnt changed
near delta
if you're an lfg andy checkin out how arena is and you get rmp'ed in the first 2...
Removing the conquest cap is gonna have some brutal hardstuck obstacles for anyone getting back into pvp the next few weeks
nimble jasper
also get an honor cc break trinket
wary heart
Removing the conquest cap is gonna have some brutal hardstuck obstacles for any...
even blizz said this but did it anyway lmfao
nimble jasper
the conq cap shit is gonna be wild
near delta
idk low mmr rmp
If you know how to counter it, someone who hasn't pvpd in a while you're not gonna know
wary heart
mich you're way overestimating pve'ers curious in pvp
we want more pve'ers in pvp to grow the base
near delta
I've met a ton of people last season who hadn't played pvp since like MoP or WoD who just came back
wary heart
legion cosmetics got me into serious arena tbh
near delta
or bring back cosmetics
Actually tho
nimble jasper
I've met a ton of people last season who hadn't played pvp since like MoP or WoD...
knew a guy who didnt played serious since legion
just said āman modern rmps suck assā
wary heart
blame realz who thought he needed to make it more accessible to window lickers so they gave rogues a monster kit in case they screw up
near delta
Pvp developer
wary heart
pvp dev
near delta
He had an awesome convo with the dk discord last year
nimble jasper
if you were decent in pve
near delta
Going into all the pvp talents and what they thought about them
nimble jasper
imo
nimble jasper
mich, 2k in a good season is top 10 percentile
yeah always been wild to me
i got my first 2k not tracking drs
wary heart
Going into all the pvp talents and what they thought about them
while i appreciate his engagement, he's the cause of a lot of the dogshit we see
full quiver
I got 1600 on venthyr dh in 2s the first time I ever played queueing with a bm hunter
But it took me like whole season to get over 2k lol
Swapped to feral to play jg after that first week
wary heart
Kicking off this season as the main crushers are Fury Warriors. Fury Warriors are currently doing incredibly well in the upper-middle part of the ladder, with their representation falling off with increasing rating (comps above 2100 rating see relatively few Fury Warriors). Both Subtlety and Outlaw Rogues continue to be in a very healthy state, with Outlaw increasing subtantially in popularity over the past month.
lmao
tldr: when you learn to kite warriors you win
sharp meteor
fury is a noob check
nimble jasper
like ret
sharp meteor
into the most binary spec in the game
wary heart
its omega fun in wood league
lucid walrus
gotta love playing in dirt 4
nimble jasper
low mmr is still feed central
craggy socket
People who leave after 1 game make me wanna smash my monitor
so god damn triggering to wait forever to have ppl just bail after 1 game
nimble jasper
so god damn triggering to wait forever to have ppl just bail after 1 game
its fine in 2s
3s takes a hot minute tho
craggy socket
Hahah that emoji is amazing
For real, luckily theres alot of ppl playing at low cr atm
ancient sonnet
unless several of those locks play both specs
nimble jasper
fotm
wary heart
unless several of those locks play both specs
this is per character, so last played as of time of data pull
unique obs per char
ancient sonnet
oh well shit... nerf locks
sharp meteor
cuz braindead easy
idk aff is pretty finicky
wheat crane
Depends vs the comp
Vs double mele lock is much harder
Vs wizards and rmp much easier
full quiver
š
near delta
while i appreciate his engagement, he's the cause of a lot of the dogshit we see
If one not even high level dev has that much control over what's ostensibly an esport, there are bigger systemic issues lol
near delta
holy fuk I just pre speared a sweep
U wot?
simple rock
we had no trinket for next ww pop so I had to spear and hope he sweeped lmao
he couldn't reach me
fair dome
second pulverizer or upgrade 3 other pieces from 281?
near delta
we had no trinket for next ww pop so I had to spear and hope he sweeped lmao
Oof lol
sand shadow
unless it's a choice btw wep and 4set, then you can 4set
but the assumption is that everyone has 4set at this point
with a weapon, you still get primaries and secondaries, but you also increase your OH melee + all fury attacks are MH + OH, so it does matter even if far less than your main
wheat crane
Never used signet before today
sand shadow
wep stats are = legs stats, which is the 2nd biggest item slot in terms of stat budget
good for you, signet fucking stinks
wheat crane
Worth cancelauraing the bladestorm proc? Or just let it ride
wheat crane
Dude i literally just made it and got 4 pc today lol
spice hornet
what was it that you used
BetterCharacterPanel
wheat crane
Been running with 2 pc no leggo all season lol
spice hornet
wheat crane
And unupgraded honor gear
spice hornet
BetterCharacterPanel very nice for something like this
sand shadow
@wheat crane congrats, you reached max lvl fury then
spice hornet
wheat crane
<@370698510841937932> congrats, you reached max lvl fury then
Nice. Guess let it ride till it gives me enough rage for a rampage
near delta
Worth cancelauraing the bladestorm proc? Or just let it ride
Generally don't cancel unless you need to maintain slaughterhouse or kick and important cast. It's a huge amount of damage and pressure
spice hornet
xmog didnt exist and those boots are itemizied for warrior but matched dk tier rip my life
shoulda just bought the match
sand shadow
you absolutely should cancel BS procs if lacking Enrage, but then you should also strive to not pop unless you have it (but you won't, lets be real for a sec); you also cancel to get 8 stacks etc, really dependant on a lot of stuff
near delta
you absolutely should cancel BS procs if lacking Enrage, but then you should als...
Yeah true!
nimble jasper
the set boots
spice hornet
i like being a tauren male
near delta
I always try to rampage before popping the reck if I can
sand shadow
I think part of the mystique to some of these priorities is the fact that people have forgotten that tooltips are actually, to this date, quite useful
they scale properly w/ pvp, modifiers, etc
its worth looking at them whenever trying to figure out prios
most importantly, if a given modifier is, for some spaghetti code reason, not properly affecting tooltips
then you at least know that that's the case for all your other tooltips, too
so if a given 20% dmg modifier is, for wtv reason, not properly modifying the tooltip, then the tooltip itself is still just as indicative because your other spells are f'd too
BS is great dmg w/ high haste, 4xFrenzy, and enrage because you can spin it out in 3s or less iirc. At that duration, that is a fuckton of dmg
That said, even if you were to pre-enrage yourself via a Rampage, you might have up to 20 rage leftover + 50 from reck, so you're heavily overcapping. That's rage you're not getting back and therefore damage that you're forgoing. Sometimes you want to burst so you don't care (or have multiple targets), sometimes you don't (and so forgoing that rage/dmg matters to you), so heavily context dependent
sand shadow
I always try to rampage before popping the reck if I can
here's an absolutely perfect BS, w/ every possible modifier I can get at ilvl290 pvp
wheat crane
Basically 8 stack > enrage > let it ride
sand shadow
40.3k over 2.7s
in that state, my crushing does 18.3k
my rampage does about 21k, so a Crushing + Rampage is almost equal
But I can get these two out in a lower time frame w/ that much haste, let me check my GCDs
yeah, exactly 1s GCD, so 2x1s GCDS = 39.3k dam + refresh on slaughter + no forgone rage/another crushing that can proc tier set/affects Enduring Rage
vs 40.3k dam in 2.7s
so you can see how it's a close call, dependent on multiple factors and context
near delta
Yup that's a great point
sand shadow
you sometimes, for example, prefer to forgo that rage/dam for disarm/CC protection etc
really depends on what's going on
sharp meteor
The other cool thing about storm is dodging cc
sand shadow
actually, 1 Rampage + 1 Crushing might even be more, not sure i had Celestial proc'd when I looked, it's annoying since you're doing so many modifiers to get a clear picture, and some of those are like 4s
sharp meteor
Like use storm as they're coming out of cc to hopefully eat a disarm/bolt/kidney or whatever.
sand shadow
speaking of bladestorm
please don't storm assa/outlaw openers
its absolutely useless
but I see even r1 warriors doing it
why?
nobody knows.
near delta
What's the harm in trying to immune the kidney?
sand shadow
because you're not doing that
thats the harm
they dont have the CP for it
unless MfD, then sure
simple rock
idk I get kidneyd pretty fast by assa. if they sap your healer it's worth to delay with bladestorm.
bs > disarm > stun
near delta
Actually mfd looks rather common on assa
sand shadow
I mean sure, you can try to delay, fish for it, but not RIGHT AFTER YOU GET GARROTED/Ambushed
was my point š
simple rock
ah, yeah
sand shadow
yes, but nobody opens w/ MFD as Assa usually
because if you MFD, you get full CP, then Garrote-ing would overcap and you're binning the CPs
wheat crane
I mean it was fine when rogues actually died and were kill targets
Instead of perma evasion
near delta
Instead of perma evasion
It's only outlaw
near delta
And honestly a bit part of the perma evasion is people still hit into it
sand shadow
but sub also is nigh unkillable if he knows how to play and doesn't want to die
subs that stay in are simply trolling, nothing else
near delta
Random q. Can one spear duel?