pvp

[elder wigeon]

it can't crit

[near delta]

Is this a rapper?

[sage raptor]

My warrior

My new warrior

I had to rename it

Who did it offend?

[near delta]

People are dumb ol

[lucid walrus]

taking so much willpower not to grab this ring man

as far as vaults i actually care abt this ain't bad but it's still sockets 100%

[spice hornet]

really bothers me how fury gets fucked with having to buy 2 full price 2hs (along with honor upgrading it)

should be a discount for furry

[lucid walrus]

primate tax

[spice hornet]

but rogue

[indigo barn]

Just pve

[full quiver]

Yeah but you get more stats

Also you could call it the retard tax since you have to be one to play fury

[indigo barn]

More stats for the loss of grey matter

Also going to throw out that jaithys procs are not downscaled for PvP and is considered big as an OH

Possible meme item?

[spice hornet]

fuckking conq farm

every bracket giga sweat

even 1400 mmr rated bgs

just spamming double dps 2s with my ret partner

1min games

[simple rock]

they actually forget to add boxes in a timely manner every time

[full quiver]

Lol right

[ornate python]

The paid carries are going BRRRRRRRRRR rn lmao

[near delta]

I wish they just tried a soft rollout of the no upgrade system in DF this season instead of this shitshow lol

[spice hornet]

oh yah

i dont htink rated rbg farm is the move

mmr goes too fast

u can lose still cause everyone else has the same idea with good plaeyrs

long games

for only 175

double dps 2s is the play

NL DH is getting demons like crazy since patch every single game i stg

its like perma up

[elder wigeon]

yeah they're unkillable with self heals

[indigo barn]

40% dr perma zzzz

Idk why havok got that part of the leggo

[spice hornet]

KEKW wtf is this bug

I get DC'd

coime back and says i have a new toy

i open it, can't use it, join arena. can't use any abilities cause its trying to use the toy

timewalker's hearthstone

[lucid walrus]

ingame malware

[near delta]

That's what you get for trying to use the toy of doom

[spice hornet]

did anyone else just get that toy out of nowhere

[lucid walrus]

nah

[near delta]

It's .hack//Sign. Bro is gonna end up stuck inside of WoW.

[lucid walrus]

it's from preorder

[near delta]

Yeah for SL

[spice hornet]

barely gave it to me now

even tho i preordered day 1

dc'd me from the game

[near delta]

lol

[spice hornet]

lmao

[spice hornet]

lmao caprise was doing rbg when servers came on

same with silky and calmx

[near delta]

Did Blizz somehow manage to make RBGs even more degenerate than they already were?

[lucid walrus]

AH back up let's go

[near delta]

Haven't played an RBG since s1 holy fuck guardian druids with sleeper is stupid

[spice hornet]

why is this allowed

a tank literallydoing the dmg of a dps

being ignored too since his block tier

[sage raptor]

It's funny

[sharp meteor]

Mortalx just domed my rdruid with a 30k vanq into 33k vanq

[simple rock]

prot pally is actually decent but you need the mental fortitude of a champion to play it at high rating

you will get flamed every game

[near delta]

Need another cdew tweet for that bastard

[simple rock]

there's a prot pally/aff/rsham on ladder

actually the most disgusting comp i've ever fought

[full quiver]

is that rsham prot?

rdruid*

LMAO

[spice hornet]

no its feral

[thick reef]

2 scum classes and specs lol

[craggy socket]

whats some good warr double dps comps

[thick reef]

War/ret war/enhanz war/feral

[sharp meteor]

uhh just hybrids/tanks i think

everything else on too short of a timer

[near delta]

Is the conq from RBGs even worth? lol Getting like 218 per rn

[spice hornet]

no it takes too long and everygame is sweaty

[full quiver]

I swear the honor freaking sucjs too

Just do first win normal bg with a couple buddies and first win skirm everyday

[near delta]

Legit random bgs seems like better honor than rbgs lol

[full quiver]

Yeah

[elder wigeon]

I'm gearing up decently well

[sharp meteor]

Honor farming isn't that bad if you do a spread of stuff

Conq is annoying because farming that requires a group

[near delta]

You get 56 conq from a 2s game and 218 from an rbg

Silly

[sharp meteor]

Echoes of Nya where everybody deranks to farm out 30 second 2v2 or 3v3 matches

[spice hornet]

why does every addon still interfere with the pvp upgrade vendor

[near delta]

I managed to find a precise set of addons that don't fuck it up

But turned stuff back on and I'm not sure anymore lol

[spice hornet]

lmao

120 2s matches today

[sage raptor]

Bruh

Are you okay? Lol

[spice hornet]

nope

fried me

it was double dps so it wasnt too bad

[wheat jay]

Nice rating for that winrate

Had some good streaks?

[spice hornet]

yeah then just wlwlwlwlwlwlwlwl

[lucid walrus]

holy fuck

how much conq off it

[spice hornet]

idk exactly i did some rbg and some 3s but total conq earned so far 6950

6mins sitting in a solo shuffle q for the guy to leave insta

what the fk

[simple rock]

https://tenor.com/view/kyloren-sad-star-wars-i-know-what-i-have-to-do-adam-driver-gif-11159545

pvping with uncapped conquest this early

[spice hornet]

some of the sweatiest matches ive ever seen

specially in rbgs

[simple rock]

guys

play arms

only have to upgrade 1 weapon 🧠

[spice hornet]

tried qing some main 3s for maybe some enjoyable games but fought flark/some r1 warrior/ some really good boomy/dh then stunandbad playing some cringe rdruid/feral/prot thing and the healer and ret got into it now we dont have a healer kkewk

[proven maple]

Tank players in arena. Wish it’d go away.

[warped warren]

[elder wigeon]

that many 3's would fry the fuck out of me

I'm chillin with rbgs for a while

[bright hedge]

sooo say i was gonna play prot in arena... would i go crit or haste?

[elder wigeon]

probably crit because prot warrior is about shield slam crit cheese

[lean burrow]

at least not prot pal

[steep inlet]

prot is ok

not lame as prot pal

[drowsy star]

What are some top tier comps for arms warr in 3s?

[undone pumice]

guys prot vs prot i think prot is less crinfe than prot but prot is better

guys resto vs resto i think resto is less cringe than resto but resto is better

[elfin surge]

what stats for prot war

[wheat jay]

Block

[fickle forge]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-gif-21913959

[wheat jay]

Cringe

All tanks in arena are cringe

[steep inlet]

Nah

Prot war has no heals

Killable

And suck in some comps

[wary heart]

so uh

is cr absolutely fubar or am i just trash now

[fickle forge]

What even does that mean

[warped warren]

yeah

[wary heart]

got an answer from ludus data man discord

"6.7% of characters who have logged on in the last week have played a game of 3v3 on EU, compared to 11.7% on US. So almost twice as many characters. And of those who have played at least one game, the average is 36 for US and 27 for EU.

So fewer people play 3v3 on EU and those who do play fewer games on average."

at the same time last season, we had about 21% of characters who have logged on in the last week have played a game of 3v3 on US.

tldr: participation at the same time in the season for s4 vs s3 is about half

and s3 was already one of the lowest in terms of participation in recent memory

[warped warren]

is this the 200% mmr gains hotfix angle?

s2 agane

[wary heart]

god i wish

ill take a free glad and use the mount to pretend im gud

[obsidian loom]

Blizz pls fix

[warped warren]

[obsidian loom]

Maybe they'll just remove pvp all together

[warped warren]

[warped warren]

yep

correct

[full quiver]

😏

@fickle forge did u see the group we played into in rbgs lol

[fickle forge]

Hansol yeah?

[full quiver]

We played vs waylor and aeghis gsme before that

[ornate python]

anyone know an addon that ISN'T MoveAnything that lets me move cast bars?

moveanything has a weird targeting bug atm

[fickle forge]

Only know for actionbars

[full quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/spit-it-out-spit-disgusting-gif-16413711

@near delta

[near delta]

https://tenor.com/view/lebron-james-smallest-violin-gif-4999701

[lean burrow]

if i want to play ret-war in 3s with a friend, which one of us should play warr and which ret?

which one is easier?

[full quiver]

Fury is definitely easier

[fickle forge]

Fury is room temperature IQ

[wary heart]

arms nerds just want you to suffer, play fury

[near delta]

Misery loves company

[lean burrow]

that hurt

but ty

[near delta]

Wait are you asking if you should play ret or warr?

[sinful carbon]

guys

important question

is mortal 50% in pvp or only with sharpen

confused what they changed going into shadowlands

[near delta]

Only with sharpen

25% in pvp otherwise

[sinful carbon]

thanksi

[near delta]

Np

Also general sharpen tip. Don't MS into it or you'll leave a gap.

[jovial meteor]

potentially dumb question. is the gavels effects nerfed in pvp?

[forest lintel]

what four set pieces do arms warrior generally run?

[sharp meteor]

Yes.

Ms is 25%, sharpen is 50

Also as Deepak said don't ms into sharpen or you'll gap yourself

[fickle forge]

You can lose 3 lefhanded fingers and still play fury optimally

[mighty fractal]

Warriors who play arms in arena are giga chads confirmed

Am not playing arms - am a cuck confirmed

[steep inlet]

Exactly

[wheat crane]

Swap in legs for chest or gloves

Haste=crit>mastery for arms for the most part

But all 3 stats are good so ultimately doesnt matter

[spice hornet]

COULD IT BE?

@bruin

[raw summit]

[wary heart]

jokes on you i mousewheel everything bc i want to literally faceroll

[fickle forge]

That would be jokes on you then

[willow wraith]

I mean you could get pretty close playing fury completely on a mouse wheel, wheel up, wheel down, click in, click left, click right

That’s like ur rotation, intim shout and charge

[nimble jasper]

nah healers job to cc

just charge in

[willow wraith]

With alt mods you could play fury 100% mouse wheel

[wary heart]

i need the cat meme hitting crushing blow and ramp

[wheat crane]

Tell him to play ret, specs miserable to play

[nimble jasper]

i killed a guy in opener tho

[willow wraith]

I play arms I hated fury in arena

[nimble jasper]

cuz he decided to press bs first global

and not wall when i was chunking him

idk how people play fury without being bored

spec is just a damage bot

[wary heart]

lets not pretend that arms isnt just wb op and ms with slam when you cant do shit else

[nimble jasper]

banner already has more things you can do

than entire fury spec

[wary heart]

ShArPeN bLaDe Is EnGaGiNg GaMePlAy

real talk if arms had enrage regen i'd play it, i dont want to trinket a stun to live

[nimble jasper]

enrage regen doesnt matter

when you get instant disarmed on it

dbts>ER

[wary heart]

yeah what the fuck is every class doing with a disarm

[willow wraith]

Can I run a non-marileth necro for arms… I don’t want to switch my conduits off and back from prot

[nimble jasper]

vs melee at least

[wary heart]

i got disarmed by a boomkin or something

[nimble jasper]

noticeably worse

boomy disarm is dispellable

[willow wraith]

Fairie fire op

It’s still really strong

[wary heart]

why the fuck do they get a disarm

[nimble jasper]

its like

bad to take

[willow wraith]

Nobody dispells that

[wary heart]

you're expecting my LFG healer to dispel this?

[nimble jasper]

relative to their other talents

like high winds

or fast clone

[willow wraith]

I play w spriest and hpala on my boomie so it is merely to fuck melees

[nimble jasper]

idk i dont care to play with lfg for more than 2 games

i get annoyed

fast

if healer hasnt been at least 2.2

cuz i see the dumbest shi

[wary heart]

all healers in lfg are inflated CR by default bc simp dps will take a healer 300 cr lower than them and suffer through a cr bomb just to get games in

[willow wraith]

Unfortunately

[nimble jasper]

i dont cr bomb generally

go even tho because

+8 w’s

and -12 L

unlucky

[wary heart]

XP is completely useless as a metric, s2 destroyed it and i havent met many healers that actually heal at the level their check pvp shows

[nimble jasper]

you can check

their per season exp

checking people’s talent/gear builds is also telling

[near delta]

You can run heimer. Thats what smexx does iirc. Way worse defensively than marileth and only gets real value if you have a lot of targets to cleave for carvers eye like a bm or demo team.

[sharp meteor]

alliance lfg in bfa was so down bad i'd grab a 1700 healer to get wins in on 2200-2300 ww

legit nobody in the finder

give them like a +200 injection in a dozen games

[obsidian loom]

I remember that I was alliance then

It was free cr

But it took hours to find a team

[wary heart]

now we all suffer, whats interesting is that alliance lfg then feels like combined lfg now

[nimble jasper]

lfg rn feels ok

besides most of it is low quality

[wary heart]

if you're a healer maybe

[nimble jasper]

i get conflicted feelings

when below average healers

try to btag me

alliance lfg in bfa was beyond cursed

either nuts player on alt

or 1400-1600 player no in between

[willow wraith]

Is it worse than spear?

[near delta]

It's pretty matchup dependent. At least in 2s, I really prefer kyrian now. Kyrian also feels a little less braindead than necro. Lol

[nimble jasper]

the number of fotm furies i see whiffing spear

is the funniest shit

[thick reef]

It’s better prob just ppl miss spears

Double spear can change game sometimes

[sharp meteor]

usually it's trying to chance double spear instead of just taking the single

spear hitbox quite smol

[near delta]

Yup

Using it at a fade getter into priests feel great

[thick reef]

It’s so nice

When they fade b4 spear

[thick reef]

100%

[near delta]

When the hunter throws their feign death on some random reck proc

https://tenor.com/view/pacha-perfect-emperors-new-groove-very-good-gif-5346522

[spice hornet]

this honor grind

[near delta]

It's insane that was left untouched for so long

[near delta]

Really feel like they couldn't waited a week or 2 lol so many damn pieces yo get

[spice hornet]

i woulda been fine with a 1200 cap weekly

[sharp meteor]

hm no dh tree yet i feel like they're making it a pve talent or something

or making all ms's 50% then tweaking them down to half in pvp

[craggy socket]

How does the monk talents look

[thick reef]

LOL true

[near delta]

Even a 2400 fan so people can get multiple pieces each week.

[thick reef]

No way ur fucking kidding me

LOl

[spice hornet]

dh needs dat

along with its bugged blur

[near delta]

Karg where???

Oh df alpha

Ummmm

[fickle forge]

It's probably PvE value yeah

But you know

🎣

[thick reef]

It’s prob pve

Plz tell me it is

[near delta]

I mean it'd literally the pvp talents

So not sure how that would impact pve

[thick reef]

Oh yeah true

It is prob pvp since it’s from pvp talents

[sage raptor]

I hope dh trees are absolutely garbage

[thick reef]

Agreed

[near delta]

I hope ww tree isn't garbage

[sage raptor]

It'll be a buggy mess regardless

True and real

[near delta]

That's a given

[sage raptor]

Trees are out

[near delta]

Just want real damage and not 1 shot cheese

Oh shit I'll check it out

Lol keefers and bonedust so yeahhhhhh

[sage raptor]

Oof

[nimble jasper]

mw has ww slow now

heh

but without the root

[near delta]

And all specs have stagger

[craggy socket]

I hope MW can play next xpac lol

[near delta]

That seems kinda nuts

[nimble jasper]

mw seemed fine this expansion

idk

veth got r1 playing dh boomy

with it

[craggy socket]

Oh damn I didnt know any mw got r1 this whole xpac hah

[spice hornet]

any cosmic glad r1 dq's anyone know about?

[nimble jasper]

psure

veth and zerx on na

got r1 consistently

for mw

its not a terrible spec honestly

seems kind of limited what comps to play

[craggy socket]

Imagine playing bear in 2s

[spice hornet]

speaking of that

why can i get a tank solo shuffle where one tank is a guardian running hotw and can heal his team while you get a blood dk/prot warr

[calm lichen]

Still seeking a Prot warrior for a rountable of DF talent trees...

[nimble jasper]

i had a 5min game

vs bear enh

we won but holy fuck

[craggy socket]

Sounds miserable lol

Im legit queing into what feels like already fully geared players on my 287 ilvl warr

I just qued into someone with 20k more hp than me lmao! a warrior without a priest rip

[near delta]

Doesn't @steep inlet play prot warr? Lol

[craggy socket]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/dragonflight-alpha-warrior-talent-tree-updates-bluepost-328393?fbclid=IwAR2E78ni_-Ya_DZN0yZ0_lJekzYZBqn9nhohRad3ygSvycpLMCIs8N3SYfQ

[nimble jasper]

warrior priest isnt that good

huh

[craggy socket]

Blizzard really like rend lol

[nimble jasper]

warrior mw

or rdruid

just straight up better

[steep inlet]

Main arms since years

Just played some prot in s3

[elder wigeon]

I'm really loving the direction they're taking arms in DF so far

[near delta]

Yeah thats the closest I've seen

[wheat crane]

Slam build?

30% buff on a talent lol

[elder wigeon]

fury dead

[steep inlet]

Good

[wary heart]

rend is the least exciting button to press in existnece

it sucked in 2004

it sucks now

[elder wigeon]

nah pretty cool in DF

[wheat crane]

I mean it was nice when it would stop restealths

Before they decided to give rogues damage immunity in stealth

[sage raptor]

There's a necrotic plague esque build with rend.

[spice hornet]

@elfin surge is a prot main, ping him

[wheat crane]

Gottem

[elfin surge]

we bully anyone that claims to main prot in the #pvp chat

[near delta]

Wasn't Ozz in range? Doesn't look like he got it.

[elfin surge]

ozz is rly bad

[craggy socket]

Really?

Damn I kinda like fury

[obsidian loom]

[elder wigeon]

fury feels pretty ass without crushing blow charge

[calm lichen]

Very unfortunate.
Guess I'll have to just ask an arms and fury to talk about prot then

[near delta]

Joe Fernandes actually talked about going prot if arms and fury felt bad early s3. He had well formed opinions anyway.

[raw summit]

Joe is smart

[calm lichen]

Oh. Is Joe not in here?

[raw summit]

@untold fjord

[elfin surge]

Joe mama

[raw summit]

W

[calm lichen]

[near delta]

If you can't get him here he has his own discord he's pretty active in

[raw summit]

I cant quite recall, but he's been in the podcast prior, right?

[sage raptor]

I play tanks in arena loud and proud.

[raw summit]

L

[spice hornet]

L

[nimble jasper]

idk

try get ahold of memphisrains?

maybe

[spice hornet]

kekw entire solo shuffle is warriors

2 heals

[sage raptor]

Getting a hold of pvp tank mains for a round table discussion is quite the feat.

[spice hornet]

just make sure the head of prot warr pvp is there

mr. mud

[sage raptor]

If ANYONE knows as much as MUD, they're lying.

Lives and breathes prot

[nimble jasper]

where is

the outlaw infestation

surprised it hasnt taken off more

[sage raptor]

Idk. I found a new outlaw cheese and I'd thought they'd be everywhere by now.

[nimble jasper]

i have a great cheese vs melee healer 2s

[sage raptor]

Dick cheese?

I'm still sore about having to rename my warrior Buttcheese

[nimble jasper]

its called turning on bladeflurry

still confused as shit why people play aegis

into outlaw

[sage raptor]

I couldn't tell you tbh

[nimble jasper]

i also made a guy panic trinket cloak

cuz i cheaped his evasion into kyrian pt at 30%

[near delta]

I need to get back to kyr greenskins

In a year when I finishing farming honor on my main warr

[elder wigeon]

lmao

[sage raptor]

I'll give kyr another try. I really don't like how it feels with outlaw since the CP is so random some times

[nimble jasper]

is fun

into melee healer

cuz greenskins flurries

[near delta]

Spamming ss with venth bb is boring tbh

[nimble jasper]

love killing hunters in first min

you think i care you trapped healer

no im just running you over

[sage raptor]

BB is a boring leggo tbh. Greenskins all the way.

[nimble jasper]

well you cant play venthyr without

[near delta]

I've been meaning to try nesspers necro thing too

Prob better in 3s tho

[nimble jasper]

does he actually in pvp

ik its a pve build

[lean burrow]

anyone knows if execute consumes all fatal marks?

or is it basically touch of death in pvp

gigallion damage per each execute would be good to have

[nimble jasper]

if it does prob gonna get nerfed the second @elfin surge oneshots someone with it and makes it on wow highlights

[full quiver]

😂

[lean burrow]

from the tooltip sounds like target would get some debuff after being reduced to 30% hp that lets all fatal marks deal damage

[elder wigeon]

depends on if fatality requires the target to be <=30%

but more or less it'll act like a touch of death to some degree

in pvp I think they'll make the fatality debuff have a timer

like say last 15 seconds but refreshable

otherwise i think it'll be hella busted

[spice hornet]

fire mage rmx main said this in this solo shuffle

[full quiver]

Are they wrong

[spice hornet]

no they are not

[sharp meteor]

Mage and Rogue players in shambles that they can't offensively block and trinket first CCs on them

[calm lichen]

Nope. We haven't had the pleasure of doing an episode with Joe yet.

[warped warren]

XDDDD

[spice hornet]

mannn why the fuck is rez leggo even allowed in solo shuffle

[elder wigeon]

lmfao

[warped warren]

[full quiver]

And then the zombie shit for necros

Lmao

[near delta]

Even priests just being able to stretch the game out to till they die is broken

[spice hornet]

that thing tilts me more in rbgs

[full quiver]

Lol

[high sparrow]

im not one to defend fury warrior

but rogue mage one shots fury through their 2 defensives

[sharp meteor]

I'm going to be in shambles whenever I have to go back Arms and don't have access to Bloodrage.

[elder wigeon]

it's not that bad

you're calmer when you're arms

fury just gives you high blood pressure

[lean burrow]

there's also new build in DF for fury

with autoattacks and bloodthirst

[elder wigeon]

fury is legit fucking my wrist up

the apm is way too high

[lean burrow]

ofc it's supposed to be less efficient build but it'd be fun

pressing one button

i missed discussion about it here so idk what the conclusion was

is it gonna be a good meme build?

[full quiver]

That's why I'm gnome lmfao

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, actually. I need better binds or something.

I remember this sting from Cata when I was hammering Rune Strike.

[wheat crane]

Dont put high apm rotation moves on your mouse youll fuck your shit up

Then you cant lift

Then youll die from being a lazy fat fuck

[sharp meteor]

Yep. I know somebody who said mouse wheel or gamer mouse buttons and it's like nah.

[wheat crane]

High prio shit like cc interrupts and intervenes on mouse

[sharp meteor]

I like mouse buttons for important stuff on a cd.

Like spell reflect.

Spamming mouse buttons = pain

[high sparrow]

its not a 1 button rotation

its the same but u just lose raging blow

[elder wigeon]

that reduces apm quite a bit

[high sparrow]

it doesnt

you'll never really have an empty global as long as whirlwind is free and generates rage

also you still rampage and onslaught in DF

[elder wigeon]

in pvp?

[high sparrow]

yeah

[elder wigeon]

I'm not playing fury for another expac I'm done

[high sparrow]

I mean it will be more forgiving and less taxing

its not like you're missing as much dps by not whirlwinding as you would be by not raging blow

but yeah it will still be a very fast high apm spec if you want to perform as well as you could, even as the easier smf build

[thick reef]

same

feel u 100%

arms was just more fun and more calm and patient

[elder wigeon]

unironically fury is wrecking my wrist

having ulnar nerve issues

[high sparrow]

whats stopping you from playing arms then

[elder wigeon]

I am playing arms rn

[high sparrow]

arms has always been stronger than fury except for this season anyway

[elder wigeon]

this and last season?

[high sparrow]

yes

[elder wigeon]

I play a lot, doesn't take much to fuck your wrist up when your apm is like 2x higher lol

[high sparrow]

and so far from looking at talents arms will probablyt be stronger than fury in DF too

[elder wigeon]

can only hope I don't like fury

[high sparrow]

whats making fury stronger than arms currently is the tier set being strong for fury and weak for arms

and enabling a reckless abandon spam charge build through crushing blows

they've already removed the crushing blow charge component in DF

[vernal plank]

and D stance being D og shit

[thick reef]

^^

[high sparrow]

yeah that too

[elder wigeon]

dstance is shit and arms struggling into wizards like demo locks

[thick reef]

yea

fury has more preasure into em n feels better

[lean burrow]

damn, I forgot about ww

no 1 button rotation

[high sparrow]

ye and u take onslaught too

tho that is on a fairly long cd

[lean burrow]

damn, fury becoming harder than arms

[high sparrow]

not likely xd

looking forward to playing both specs tho

[sage raptor]

I'm looking forward to play all 3

[lean burrow]

looking forward to three different build on arms alone

[high sparrow]

how sO'

[lean burrow]

as I understand

[high sparrow]

https://www.wowhead.com/beta/talent-calc/warrior/arms/BAAOVVBWUVUBAQoERRBA

this is what im thinking for DF arms pvp

[lean burrow]

there's mortal strike, execute, and dots builds

[high sparrow]

last point is optional, fueled by vengeance could be good since its 50% of deepwounds damage up from 30%

or juggernaut

i guess u could go a bleed build left side yeah

[lean burrow]

feels like that's what blizz wants to do, mortal strikes with fatality, and exploiter with 80%+ executes

[high sparrow]

things like fatality never actually work in pvp

doubt any build takes it unless its blatantly broken

at which point it'd get nerfed

[lean burrow]

then just battlelord build

[high sparrow]

would u skip exploiter side for battlelord?

[lean burrow]

isn't exploiter for spamming executes

with juggernaut

sudden death

[high sparrow]

it could be yeah

in that case i'd also swap exploit the weakness with punishment

[lean burrow]

there's everything for execute build

[high sparrow]

but axe/sword spec looks kinda nuts

u cant have battlelord + sword spec + exploiter can u

[wheat crane]

Almost died in the opener to an unironically backpeddling mage because he just has to press combust when im kidneyd

[lean burrow]

I wonder if this is worth talent point to have more rage for executes

[high sparrow]

dont think we're taking it for pve

where it would have the most benefit

so doubt we take it for pvp either

arms is generating a lot of rage already

[sage raptor]

I mean, fury doesn't take double time in pve do they?

[high sparrow]

it does actually, and its not the same thing anyway

[sage raptor]

What I'm trying to say is just because something doesn't have use in pve doesn't mean it won't have use in pvp.

[high sparrow]

bloodsurge is pure throughput, and its not as good as other stuff you could take instead

[high sparrow]

yes but its not comparable because of whatr i just said

not much point in being spammed with rage when you have nothign to spend it on especially now that ignore pain is gone

arms is already generating so much rage right now that bloodsurge isnt even worth, and this is in pve where u wanna dump as much rage into ToM as possible

so dont see why it would be good in pvp

[lean burrow]

what's ToM

[high sparrow]

test of might

[spice hornet]

Being seen

[lean burrow]

I want new pastas

[near delta]

Playing outlaw made me realize how relatively chill fury is lol. That 0.5 second gcd is a bitch.

[elder wigeon]

outlaw has a 1 sec gcd

higher than fury

outlaw is pretty spammy but if you have a ton of haste as fury ur wrist is getting shredded

[near delta]

Oh right lol

[elder wigeon]

enraged with 4 stack of frenzy you have a <.9 sec gcd with 30% base haste

I can't even be efficient with PI the human globals are insane

[mortal marlin]

double pulverizer for weapons the way to go or one greatsword?

[ancient sonnet]

Mace for Fury, sword for arms

[elder wigeon]

mastery isn't even bad for arms

quite good

[full quiver]

Yeah I was getting carpal tunnel on fury lmfao

[near delta]

Yeah pve arms normally do like 40%+ mastery

[elder wigeon]

lmao

[brazen night]

bro did the conquest cap get removed already??

[sharp meteor]

Yep?

[spice hornet]

Yes

[brazen night]

wow that was fast

[sharp meteor]

Conq is pretty quick and easy to farm

It's the honor that sucks for rival-duelist stuff

[simple rock]

[brazen night]

well yeah, I just didn't thing they'd take the cap away on week 3 lol

I welcome this, of course

[sharp meteor]

me when my healer says "cmon 2s wont be that bad" and we queue into 5 diff outlaws

[sharp meteor]

Yeah uncapped valor meant keystone spammers were running over people in arena

so they had to fix thaat right quick

which i love because i expected them to uncap it weekly 6 at the earliest LMAO

[brazen night]

it never made sense to cap it, when m+ peopel could keep spamming for drops

[simple rock]

what's 12/12 m+ ilvl atm?

[brazen night]

298 iirc

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, if you ksm then you can spam keys for valor to upgrade any pieces to 298

which as you could imagine was pretty good week 1-2 LMAO

[brazen night]

too bad m+ makes me want to choke ducks

[sharp meteor]

🔪

they should've uncapped conq week 1 but week 3 is fine

especially if this season ends in like 2 months lmao

[brazen night]

I just wish the 'new deal' quest was level-matched with the new season

[sharp meteor]

At least it still gives juiced honor.

[brazen night]

yeah for real

[near delta]

Saw magnusz get farmed on stream by this outlaw/rdru with all 298-301 ilvl gear on the rogue

He started talking shit on stream after beating them and the rdruid whispered him and was like "you lost a fan buddy" lmao

[lucid walrus]

yeahhhhh

[undone pumice]

me when item level went from 184 to wtf

[rotund pond]

what conquest weapons should I get? Double hammers?

[craggy socket]

A lot of Yolo rbg groups too

Got a ton of honor this way

[elder wigeon]

pulverizer is great for fury and also arms, most prefer crit but mastery is still sick as arms

crit is 10x worse for fury than mastery is for arms

[warped warren]

mag is full 304 boes aswell

[near delta]

Think it was what encouraged him to pve up haha

[warped warren]

LMAO

[drowsy star]

As arms, is hammer better than sword?

[elder wigeon]

up to debate

[steep inlet]

i'm still at 40% atm

slapping mad

[elder wigeon]

def will hit hard

[steep inlet]

did a 42k exec on a hunter yesterday

without even all cds

[elder wigeon]

kek

[warped warren]

gavel is pretty hot in arenas

[elder wigeon]

it is

been good the whole time

[raw summit]

Also semi easy to get at 311 now

[lucid walrus]

wonder if we’ll see gavel/jaithys dragonslayer gaming from fury

[steep inlet]

what is this shit eto

i dont know it

[raw summit]

Gavel

[steep inlet]

fuck pve items in pvp

[sage raptor]

Wtf did you just say? Lmaoo

That'd be nuts.

[lucid walrus]

pve shit's come over before

[sand shadow]

Gavel is still fucking broken, yea, and has been despite the huge nerf

I sometimes meet a mythic raider warrior in 2s mirrors with it

shit is never less than 10% his overall

[warped warren]

[sand shadow]

Never actually figured to check if he's using 1 or 2

Or is it Unique-equipped?

[lucid walrus]

it is

[sand shadow]

ah

[sand shadow]

idk if thats better or worse, but thing slaps in arena

[lucid walrus]

probably for the best it's unique

[sand shadow]

well idk, if it were 2, from my PoV, that would've been better for me

means he forgoes 2x wep secondaries and the proc itself is weaker. Also more unlikely I meet warriors with it 😄

so some opportunity cost at least

[bright spire]

So I guess I'll save 1.8k conq and buy gavel with coin and upgrade to mythic next week 😄

[sand shadow]

it being just one and doing that much dam is pretty nutty

wait how can you buy gavel

[bright spire]

can you not? with coin?

[sand shadow]

I kept skipping over news of those coins they're introducing, you need to raid right?

[lucid walrus]

correct

[bright spire]

yes

[sand shadow]

sigh

[bright spire]

i didnt actually go check if it's on the list but afaik it is

I need 3 more mythic kills to then upgrade to 311 tho

[sand shadow]

oh well, if it required mythic raiding, there's really nothing I can be arsed to do about it

[bright spire]

just not sure if it's worth to lose the mastery/versa on pvp weap

[lucid walrus]

one by itself is absolutely huge

[sand shadow]

what is 5% more cancer in arena at this point, we're way past a point where such tiny things even register for me

@bright spire dude, did you not read what I wrote earlier

shit is min 10% dps in the breakdown

[lucid walrus]

not required but if i had the option i'd take it for sure

[sand shadow]

100000000000% worth the loss of secondaries

I mirrored that warrior like at least 5-6 times, it was always 10%+

[bright spire]

I meant I wasn't sure**

[sand shadow]

even when it's not the bleed proc, I didn't know the others do as much

[bright spire]

Until I read the discussion

[sand shadow]

yeah get it

[lean island]

they nerfed war talents tree?

[lucid walrus]

i saw a guy running veinripper on dh. was pretty nuts

[sand shadow]

I know i'd get it myself if I could be arsed w/ raiding

[bright spire]

Was also looking at Jaithys but it doesn't seem as powerful

[lucid walrus]

it's alpha, there's bound to be tuning

[elder wigeon]

every time I see the tree it's better than the last

[sand shadow]

they removed DbtS from Fury tho

[elder wigeon]

fuck fury

[sand shadow]

no

fuck fury*

• Unless Arms is dogass

in which case, anything goes

[elder wigeon]

arms just sucks into locks rn

and get skinned alive by jungle

[fickle forge]

Demo lock I presume?

[elder wigeon]

mostly yea

you'd think sweeping strikes would make you a pet killing god but unfortunately SS is indiscriminate and you're killing wild imps LMAO

[fickle forge]

Kind of wild

😮

If you do somehow prevent him from having a pet though, it's free elo

[elder wigeon]

kekw

really hard to kill demo pets unless u got a ele or aff

[fickle forge]

https://check-pvp.fr/us/Illidan/Petkillerx

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[indigo barn]

Waste Full cds on it

[fickle forge]

[elfin surge]

giga

[steep inlet]

Guys

I noticed a thing with arms mastery

The dmg buff is normal

But the deep wounds are nerfed in arena

3900 deep wounds per sec out of arena

2000 per sec in arena

So they nerfed the dot component

[fickle forge]

Yeah, it's a BFA nerf

[steep inlet]

i didn’t remember it

So they kept this shit

Fuck

[fickle forge]

Yeah, all nerfs carry over

Like BFA Death Strike nerfs

[warped warren]

ds is nerfed?

🤨

[sand shadow]

cant wait to Q this week

[fickle forge]

DS was nerfed by 50% in BFA, which was rebuffed here

[elfin surge]

howw

ive been spamming 2s man they suck for gearing

[indigo barn]

Just spam harder

[elfin surge]

Qd 100 2s in 2 days

i feel like thats a lot

[indigo barn]

whats awin worth after the first of the day?

[thick reef]

56 im p sure

[sand shadow]

RBGs

[fickle forge]

R B G
B B
G B R

[steep inlet]

Why the fuck has 400 more CR than us again ?

They are a lot more inflated

[sand shadow]

NA is more active lately compared w/ EU

[steep inlet]

It can’t be only that

+400

It’s gigantic

[sand shadow]

They properly reset MMR this go around @ NA

so that's the obvious answer

save for something happening behind the scenes that we're unaware of

[steep inlet]

I think they did same mistake as s3

[sand shadow]

No, NA just plays more

Top50 NA has already played over 9k games. Top50 EU has about 5.5k. That's a nearly 64% increased activity

Obviously an imperfect way to look at things, as those within the Top50 likely play w/ others in the Top50, but I see no reason to assume that that is vastly different between the two regions. Maybe it is.

[full quiver]

Lol that win rate tho

[wary heart]

ludus's data suggests we're at half the participation right now compared to the same time in season 3

even in NA

from his discord:

"6.7% of characters who have logged on in the last week have played a game of 3v3 on EU, compared to 11.7% on US. So almost twice as many characters. And of those who have played at least one game, the average is 36 for US and 27 for EU. "

there was about 21% playing at least 1 game in the us 3-4 weeks in s3 in his s3 update

for US

tldr, this is the lowest participation of any season in recent memory

[sand shadow]

at this point, one needn't even "bother" w/ data analysis, you can tell by just sitting considerably longer Qs on EU than previously

[wary heart]

EU is dire, but US is also pretty bad

US just looks ok in comparison

[sand shadow]

I said this a while ago; this meta will completely crush the life out of casual pvpers

[wary heart]

absolutely

no one wants to heal this circus

[sand shadow]

frankly, even me spam playing hasn't stopped me from getting legit 1shot in 0.x sec, many many times, this expansion

Can't imagine what it's like for casual pvpers

[wary heart]

i think the breaking point for me was triple MM killing my healer out of stealth

theres no counterplay for that

you either get lucky and get one out of stealth

or di

e

[sand shadow]

and we no longer have the carrot on a stick that was S1 gear advantage, so no help from the PvErs either

Stungodx posted this a few days ago on Twitter

[wary heart]

i really hope holinka takes an honest look at this system and does something

yep

bos aimedshot from stealth

gg

[sand shadow]

I even made this clip to illustrate xd

every color swap is 0.3s

[wary heart]

not to mention the round trip 20-40ms

[sand shadow]

the time it took that guy to do like 101k dmg

[wary heart]

in reality, with those numbers, you're looking at 0.25 or less depending on your ping

[sand shadow]

point is, this has been happening for 2 years now, people are just tired of it

so they alt f4 until wrath/df

[wary heart]

has there been any honest test of pvp for available classes in df alpha yet?

[steep inlet]

Holy shit

Situation is worse than I thought so

Major yikers

[lucid walrus]

he has a server?

[obsidian loom]

I mean if you just took check pvp for active players and took a guess each had 2 alts, there's probably only 30k people

[spice hornet]

I have a death log of this as well

[lucid walrus]

30k 3s played on NA yday and you can bet most of those were teams blasting “join queue” the instant they got out of the last game

[spice hornet]

So broken

[lucid walrus]

gotta say this season sure is innovative! warlock has pioneered so many new comps that’ll definitely last into the future where this balancing doesn’t exist

ingenious never-before-seen surv/mm + aff, double aff, aff/demo and more!

[sand shadow]

"People need to die" - Holinka

he never did qualify that statement, so mb the idea was for people in full gear to die in 0.2s so

[obsidian loom]

I think it's on his website

[lucid walrus]

gotcha

[sand shadow]

Ludus has a discord, ya

[obsidian loom]

Ludus is a gem

[sand shadow]

can ask him questions and he usually always answers

[lucid walrus]

v cool. i recall geebs poking his head in here once in a blue moon

[sand shadow]

https://discord.com/invite/tjgrrENB4A

[lucid walrus]

huge. ty

[sand shadow]

Reality of PvP now is that we get about as much care as we... "deserve" in terms of the level of engagement

The sad part is, this level of engagement is a direct result of past unwillingness to actually properly try to tweak PvP

[steep inlet]

Tbh fast meta

Is better than BC shit

With 40 min games

[sand shadow]

This is not a "fast" meta

[wary heart]

theres a bliss point

[sand shadow]

this is idiotic

[wary heart]

this is ridiculous

yeah

[steep inlet]

It’s very fast y

[sand shadow]

BFA S1, that's what the golden standard should be

[steep inlet]

but fuck dampening guys

[wary heart]

minus covoke

[sand shadow]

BFA S1 had NOTHING to do with the dampenfiesta of later seasons

moreover, the game actually made sense

[wary heart]

you still damp now with many comps

anything with outlaw is a damp game if you dont die in a 7s kidney

[sand shadow]

later BFA seasons' damp was terrible, but the game still made more sense to me in terms of how it played out. It was just really, really slow

[full quiver]

Base sitting is so cancer with resonator now

You can't sit the go with no cds if they have 2.1 rezzy

So you trinket and then lose base 20s later

[sand shadow]

The solution to the horrific BFA damp meta isn't to go to the other extreme, though

[full quiver]

Lol

[wary heart]

blizzard only knows how to balance extremes

e.g., s2 inflation vs s3 deflation

[sand shadow]

haha, you think these are all a result of balancing?

they just push stuff through the pipe

and let it land where it lands

[wary heart]

i think its a result of "haha 50% cr now per game, send it"

holinka's got cocktails to crush

[steep inlet]

Not in my games

Even versus triple r1 guyz

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1561913604?t=3h0m36s

[wary heart]

its for sure less than it has been

[steep inlet]

We were versus merce gelu here

[wary heart]

but im saying: there could be a middle point

[steep inlet]

at timestamp

Yes

[wary heart]

where its not 0.3 cheese trash

and not 10 min games with 15 drinks for heals

[sand shadow]

games are for sure much faster, yes, but you're comparing them w/ BFA S4 for example

[wary heart]

if pvp is important enough to be a core mode that's supported by systems like the vault and genuine dev time, they should at least adjust it or have some non-basement wizard R1's help them balance the damn thing

[sand shadow]

the vast majority of issues w/ PvP rn can be solved by a dedicated balancing team that actually makes use of the incredible amount of data they can crawl via tens of thousands of arenas happening every day

[wary heart]

yeah, agreed

[raw summit]

based wtf

[wary heart]

hunter last night had a pet named "RMPISSCUM"

[lucid walrus]

does merce always have this mental?

that clip was really refreshing to watch

[steep inlet]

This is the best screenshot

I have ever seen

In my entire life

[warped warren]

merce on rog

[sand shadow]

I mean, even Zeepeye gave up and rolled a rogue, something I never thought I'd live to see

so that's rogue this expansion in a nutshell

HAHaha

[wary heart]

i love watching joe rage at pubbies

[sand shadow]

A lot of new warriors are about to see what proper warrior felt like in wotlk soon

[wary heart]

arpen when

[sand shadow]

I don't think WotLK Warrior design has ever been beaten

And I don't mean in terms of it being OP or such, but the amount of tools

the number of small min-maxes available

these all add up, separating truly god-like warriors from the rest

[warped warren]

hahahahah

[sand shadow]

we lost a lot when revenge Rage was removed from the game. For all I care, they can take def stance and shove it somewhere if they give us back that mechanic

[warped warren]

i wonder of they are just taking random ppl associated with thw clases

and put them on the thunbnails

[sand shadow]

Fairly sure he has a deal w/ em of some sort

[warped warren]

this best design ive seen so far

ye hes sponsored or w.e

[sand shadow]

I don't understand

[warped warren]

what dont you understand

[sand shadow]

you think it's copium to say wotlk warrior design is superior? or mocking current design?

[warped warren]

no

mocking current

and lal the other iterations

[wary heart]

eto wants banner and rampage only

i have two axes and i must zug

[warped warren]

wrath warrior is my favorite

[sand shadow]

I hear MoP warrior was pretty good too, but I skipped that expansions cuz of panadas

[warped warren]

didnt play

[sand shadow]

I regret doing that, apparently it was an awesome PvP exp

awesome in relative terms, of course

[wary heart]

i still think wod was peak

[high sparrow]

yes and no

people always forget abotu the awful stuff of the past

like mop s1 stampede and heroic strike

[wary heart]

lmao

[sand shadow]

I know one MoP season was truly awful for warriors

[wary heart]

hs

[sand shadow]

ah, heroic stryke ❤️

[wary heart]

wod arms was excellent

[thick reef]

Only thing I know abt war in mop was 2nd wind

[wary heart]

2nd wind was fabulous yeah

[thick reef]

Yea I hear a lot about it when ppl talk about mop

[sand shadow]

MW talents for DF (alpha ofc)

its because of shit like this that we get to a point where Holinka is "people need to die"

[wary heart]

when monks are good, arena sucks

[sand shadow]

and then right back to 0.3s oneshots

otherwise, everything is immortal

[wary heart]

double port

[sand shadow]

and you need 70%+ damp to finish a game

[wary heart]

are they insane

that's 3 saves

[sand shadow]

dude, compared to now, they get 1 more port, a slow, a kick, ALL 3: dampen, diffuse and elixirs, plus 1 extra CC

[wary heart]

2 ports and dampen harm are 3 lifebars

[sand shadow]

I mean, obviously DF talent trees put many other specs on an altogether different power level compared to now, but this is looking scary OP

[wary heart]

ww/outlaw is unstoppable

cap this

[sand shadow]

so long as warriors are given tools and utility, I am happy. I can't stand this dmg bot design

we legit have 1 utility spell that isn't trash, and that's intervene

i guess rally is okay too

[wary heart]

rally would be good if it didnt drop off

[sand shadow]

Rally is fine, perhaps 2.5m CD would make us appreciate it a bit more, so we get more than 1 per game in 99% of games 😄

What I want is War Banner baseline, and I want it finally, after 1374812674 years... FIXED

I want its effect to apply instantly

can't stand having to sacrifice 50% of my pvp talents (because 1 is always a must-have) for a 1.5m CD banner that gets killed immediately

only to pop it in time, but not quite in time

and sit full CC because the servers need to think real hard before giving you the freaking buff

[ripe heron]

any of you bois still trying with arms

[indigo barn]

Should just make it that when banner is thrown down, everyone in range of YOU gets a buff from YOU for the next X seconds which persists through banner death. Will fix any issues of banner buff being too slow and gives a minimum duration of cc reduction

[sand shadow]

dude, at this point, idgaf how they go about fixing it

what I know is that it is fixable

but is being ignored for 3 expansions

[indigo barn]

Banner is classed as a 'guardian' so it has a weird delay when spawned

[lucid walrus]

this, locks & dks

[indigo barn]

Wouldn't be surprised if the code was so old and engrained that fixing it will fuck everything else

[sand shadow]

3 expansions is enough time for them to figure out a fix

[indigo barn]

Like bag slots

[sand shadow]

@indigo barn If it is indeed considered as a Guardian, and it being considered a Guardian is the issue, and the thing drops on the ground next to you anyway, then yes, that would've been an obvious fix

correction: it IS an obvious fix

problem: nobody cares, apparently

[warped warren]

homie legit filled in the entire spec tree 🤨

[lucid walrus]

it seems to be a guardian given how it shows up under your nameplate when dropped

[sand shadow]

then put it on our backs like conq banner

make it unkillable, lower the duration to compensate, voila

make it last 3s for all I care

its 1.5m CD and 50% of my pvp talents in cost

[lucid walrus]

its lifespan rarely exceeds 5sec anyhow

[sand shadow]

imagine investing that much of your resources and then getting CCd anyway

[wary heart]

i want all the banners on my back

6 different banners

just crusin

[indigo barn]

All at once so you turn into a windmill and fly everywhere

[wary heart]

guild banner, cosmetic banner, war banner, necro banner

i want to beat rogues to death with juggernaut banner

[indigo barn]

Holland gaming

[wheat crane]

Lmfao

[spice hornet]

bis addon these past 2 expacs has been bettercharacterpanel

shows when enchant is missing on me or other in inspect, always catch people who forgot an enchant kekw

[magic void]

I needs some advice! I hate hunters and they alway mess me up in arena. Honestly just pvp what can I do to get good?

[ornate python]

Disarm and always have hamstring up

best we got chief

lol

[steep inlet]

disarm only on MM

for surv/bm prefer warbanner

to deny trap

take both if u can anw

[simple rock]

if only fury had warbanner

arms is autolose into hunters in 2s

go next

[steep inlet]

no you can

but its hard

[wheat crane]

Actually, why tf doesnt fury have banner?

[full quiver]

Play mirror and banner

[wheat crane]

Shitd be perfect