or do people still play it
#pvp
full quiver
full quiver
double kick was so toxic lo
nimble jasper
ye
full quiver
watched my buddy kick healing surge then vanish kick flesh craft
and kill an rsham
was super funny
nimble jasper
i 50-0ed a guy once
full quiver
lol
full quiver
yeah that shit can blast
nimble jasper
which landed in another bte crit
full quiver
resonator seems good
do we get higher ilvl trinkets same as last season?
i didn't see anything about those
nimble jasper
conq badge?
lucid walrus
yea
nimble jasper
indirect sub rogue nerf
lucid walrus
maybe i’m fried idk
nimble jasper
full quiver
maybe i’m fried idk
Lol that doesn't sound right
lucid walrus
at work for a while but i’m p sure it’s the case
ancient sonnet
The honor badge is haste like it has been in the past. Haven't checked the conquest one though
near delta
Doesn't restless blades reduce venth cd?
near delta
Ah
nimble jasper
its mostly the fact it desyncs dreadblades
lucid walrus
badge is still crit for me
thought i was probably wrong. asked my buddy if he was sure it was conq when he had it on
lucid walrus
color was purple on his char sheet so i didn’t question it
user @lucid walrus wrong once more!
wicked bison
why not battlelord for arms ppv
sharp meteor
badge is still crit for me
The honor one is haste.
lucid walrus
always was, i’m just dumb
ancient sonnet
Yea I've been picking up the haste one at season start. Feels nice to have an on-use and stack haste.
Is it worth picking up the Haste/Vers 2Hers if you already have maxed s3 crit/vers ones?
lucid walrus
smid ud smh
sand shadow
The honor one is haste.
it was honor before as well
and it was re: conq badge anyway
near delta
why not battlelord for arms ppv
Enduring is more damage for less work and it synthesizes with the tier set well
warm pollen
i cant win against fucking survival r dru
T_T
@sand shadow
even with dt wb br
they just fkin cc chain my sham and kite like pusssys
near delta
If they kite too hard just kill their healer
When you have banner, reck, and all that you are death and just need to go on whomever is most convenient.
fickle forge
they just fkin cc chain my sham and kite like pusssys
There's your issue
Rsham
Heals for negative amounts
near delta
Heals for negative amounts
Having to position for ring feels so damn bad lol
full quiver
Rsham fury felt way better to me than priest or pala
If for some reason you ever get off hunter just have him frost shock, ezpz
Earth grab the disengages
fickle forge
And then die because he does negative healing
spice hornet
The worst players play comps like that
Need to update the eye mechanic so that my time isn’t wasted waiting for them to come out and lose
full quiver
And then die because he does negative healing
kyrian rsham has really good healing actually
idk we went like 15-3 to knock out 2.1 on alt warrior playing it
and it was 100x easier than my other healers lol
if your sham sucks and doesn't pre earthen or pre tide i'm sure it's not fun
full quiver
yeah not a big problem in 2s though
and lets you deal with both feral + sin rogues using phial
fickle forge
I mean it's a problem if you face ranged kicks now isn't it
full quiver
idk what to tell you, it plays like DH/rsham
and felt good to me
we clapped pretty much everything
fickle forge
😎 👍
winged totem
Alacrity + Brooch ideally or just situational?
full quiver
😎 👍
do u think the guy complainin about getting kited was posting in here about his struggles over 2200
lol
fickle forge
do u think the guy complainin about getting kited was posting in here about his ...
Who?
warm pollen
hahahaha
full quiver
the guy that prompted the conversation u dent head
fury/rsham is a good 2s comp
prob even better now with sepsis nerf
warm pollen
prob even better now with sepsis nerf
im still getting fucked
full quiver
well 2s is super deflated right now lol
warm pollen
what u mean with deflated
i only get rogues over 2k lol
over and over
impending victory against aff locks? or just wb double time ?
warm pollen
Double Time
ty bro
is kyrian fury doing as good as necro fury ?
just got banged by one haha
winged totem
feel like kyrian more bursty and necro more sustained and survivability
always get told, play based on comp
warm pollen
im playing with r sham
lucid walrus
if you’re playing into something that somehow doesn’t have an out for spear i’m sure rsham whirlpool on it is nasty
warm pollen
dh mistweaver is also a pain in the ass
nimble jasper
idk you just
bonk whoever you can
if you play with an rsham idk why you would ever play passively
btw @full quiver speaking of s3, i usually 2-3x the damage in an outlaw mirror
idk people suck at the spec
warm pollen
if you play with an rsham idk why you would ever play passively
dh just fucks up my shammy
full quiver
outlaw has a lot of fotm people
full quiver
it's funny when you fight someone who presses feint like 2x in a game
instead of basically on cd lol
nimble jasper
alot of lfg healers int tho
and run into enemy healer los
as they’re dying
and die cuz of purge banging
xd
full quiver
i like when the dps you're banging on fury runs to their healer / uses mobility to them (or gets gripped)
and you get the free intim shout
lol
full quiver
yeah that's what this outlaw was doing to me last night
he was sapping way early
so i was off on a second by flare
or i was just drunk idk lol
just gotta flare second they use blind, not like intervene where i need to wait until there's 3s left
nimble jasper
you also just
gouge on intim so he cant trap
or duck behind los
and beat up his pet till trap ends
nimble jasper
yeah going outlaw is bad
full quiver
and kept pet on rdruid like whole game. basically just oom druid and win lol
near delta
alot of lfg healers int tho
Played with this disc into frost/aff in 2s last night on tolviron. Dude just kinda walked into deathborne cause you have to get those penances off on mage I guess
full quiver
i blast outlaw get evasion, trap him when druid peaks stun druid and blast druid
nimble jasper
idk i can tell how good a priest is
full quiver
ez game
near delta
The disc didn't even run short bubble most of the time 
nimble jasper
generally speaking with hpriest players
if i see them default stun
w/ a rogue
i assume they're awful
full quiver
if i see them default stun
lol
nimble jasper
i mean i hate priests who play chast stun regardless
cuz 95% of them
never stun on a go
spice hornet
i have bad e xperience with turbo because i have never played with a good enh
same with thunder
maybe i just suk balls
near delta
WPS is my favorite comp
craggy socket
isnt zug zug what were here for
simple rock
arms not allowed!!
near delta
There are many paths to zug.
elder wigeon
No zug zug is not the only thing warrior can do
nimble jasper
fury is basically
near delta
Wtf is df warrior
nimble jasper
on dh and bm levels
near delta
Like actually
elder wigeon
DF warrior is what dreams are made of
near delta
steep inlet
You missed too many mandatory things resune
elder wigeon
like what
steep inlet
Spear, and bottom of arms middle tree
steep inlet
So many OP things
near delta
Is reck that good on arms tho
steep inlet
2h mastery too
elder wigeon
you're thinking too linearly
nimble jasper
craggy socket
LMAO
elder wigeon
if you go for spear you miss out on thunderous roar/shockwave/bitter immunity
craggy socket
Is that real DH tree?
near delta
No lol
craggy socket
lmaooo I would believe
full quiver
Shockwave is dog shit
elder wigeon
thunderous roar is not shit
it's ancient aftershock but has a nasty fuckin bleed
especially so with bloodletting
spice hornet
lmfao dh mains
elder wigeon
I don't think I'll ever take spear in DF i fuckin hate it
would much rather have nasty bleeds
willow stratus
should I be saving conquest for weapon? i hit cap for the week
im guessing you can't increase your cap either
elder wigeon
weapon is prio #1
spice hornet
yes see if u get in vault first
willow stratus
also the honor gear is 285 in pvp and my set pieces are only 268 in pvp
nimble jasper
how its always been
willow stratus
should i replace set pieces with honor gear once fully upgraded? im focusing on the non set pieces now
simple rock
spear haters
willow stratus
what is better for solo shuffle/spear or conq banner?
simple rock
just hope they change it so mage can't blink out for free every time
most other ways of getting out of spear are valid in my eyes
conq banner
solo shuffle rounds end in 20s anyway
tranquil peak
Can someone enlighten me on how warriors are getting 20k charge crits and 8-12k normal charges
my charge tickles for like 500 damage
tranquil peak
sucks scooberz
simple rock
diddler do you have a max lvl rogue
tranquil peak
I have 6 max toons lol
lucid walrus
is one a rogue
tranquil peak
yes
lucid walrus
unlucky
simple rock
🧐
willow stratus
I only have warr
tranquil peak
right now I main hunter and warrior
lucid walrus
🤫
willow stratus
can someone DM the secret
simple rock
i'm capping I have a pirate of my own
tranquil peak
I mained rogue back in the day, don't care for it these days
sepsis meme was fun while it lasted
tranquil peak
I mean I'm assuming it has something to do with warbringer
but even when I talent warbringer charge still seems to tickle
full quiver
🤷♂️
When you have cds rolling it hits harder
Like every other ability
So if you have banner, war breaker, avatar going big dam
tranquil peak
so is the open basically banner reck charge?
full quiver
You should be running to them mounted
tranquil peak
Okay, then generally my ability priority has been rampage > execute > bloodthirst > raging blow
does that sound accurate
and what are you looking for when popping banner reck?
full quiver
Put RB after rampage
With tier you don't really need to BT unless you're healing with ER
tranquil peak
Okay, and if not enough rage for rampage, no execute procs, and no rb charges, whirlwind and bloodthirst?
tranquil peak
as far as pvp talents, slaughterhouse is obviously required
are there any others you are taking into all comps?
and what do you recommend situationally? obviously disarm into rogue/warrior/hunter/ww monk?
full quiver
Yeah SH and whatever you want usually BT/Enduring and warbringer/disarm
tranquil peak
I still don't see how a 1k damage charge turns into a 20k charge even with avatar, banner, and reck
full quiver
Lol
lucid walrus
something is wrong if a WB charge is only doing 1k
full quiver
Are you in 2100 gear
tranquil peak
265 tier, max honor offpieces, max honor weapons
tranquil peak
unless its new season honor gear
it's all maxed new season honor gear except 265 tier and trinkets
nimble jasper
and yeah smh sepsis meme got boring after 20 mins
well 265 tier
is alot of stats lost
you stack modifiers and yes warbringer trucks
mud typically pops orc and badge with his
tranquil peak
badge better than alacrity?
nimble jasper
i mean if you're going for memes
wheat crane
i dk man
itll be fine on my warrior and ret
i dk if im touching it with a 10 foot pole on my lock
priest just yelled at me for "moving too much"
wanted me to stand still and eat a turbo cleave
cant do it
left storm
hey guys i get wrecked against stealthy classes in arenas when im not with a healer.. any thoughts.. lets take hunter for example
lucid walrus
anything’s gonna kill you when you don’t have a healer
nimble jasper
yes
left storm
and how do you guys defend against caster? lets take affliction warlock for example.... There is no magic damage defensive available for us 😦
wheat crane
so you mean i go into 2's only with the healers?
You can do alright with a ret feral or prot pally too just play impending victory
left storm
oh yeah
elder wigeon
as arms you pmuch have to with how much dmg ur taking but as fury you almost never press it
too expensive and fucks your slaughterhouse up
full quiver
Man is fury affli really gonna be meta lol
spice hornet
none of these were the same team KEKW
elder wigeon
the nerfs to dk were borderline nothing and demo is still just as strong as ever
nothing in the meta really changed aside from holy priest
full quiver
20% on slappy is pretty big lol
sand shadow
and one more sill question..do you guys keep ip on cd always?
only in great need (Fury)
sharp meteor
and one more sill question..do you guys keep ip on cd always?
As arms unless bursting or trading very favorably. Slamming into smash outside cds if you're ahead can be nice.
As fury it's only really during signet reckstorm or w/e if stacks won't drop.
Feels really bad as Fury unless you are dead in the very near future.
sand shadow
Most games I'll press at least 1 IP as Fury
wheat crane
Man is fury affli really gonna be meta lol
Dont know, can you tell you its still completely miserable to play vs double mele
Im still playing demo just because of that
Absolutely slaps vs wizards tho
wheat crane
Might see more sacrolash AC affis tho, those you can just run over without claw
sand shadow
if its cleaves ruining you, just go spear, problme solved
if you have a priest, get him to use his grip, its a 45s cd, no clue why priests are generally so opposed to spam using it
its incredibly strong
wheat crane
No im saying i play lock, usually affi, its miserable to mechanically play vs double mele, still performs well
Like its painfull irl
full quiver
I swear venthyr dh affli
sand shadow
its just that as a warlock, you need to absolutely be great at kiting
full quiver
Is gonna pump
sand shadow
if you are bad at kiting and understanding enemy melee mobility, you'll die yea
wheat crane
Real talk demos forgiving as shit
sand shadow
Been spam queueing into Aritros (a great warlock) on EU lately, the delta between his kiting and every other warlock is legit horrifying
wheat crane
Simple rotation need about 1/3 the awareness
Im not saying its not good, im saying its not fun, its fun to play affi into like wizards and rmp
Its not fun into like dk dh
sand shadow
little about SL is very fun :>
wheat crane
Fair point
sand shadow
but as a warrior, I can provide incredible coverage for warlocks into melee if running Kyrian
you just run bolt/warbringer/disarm/safeguard and rotate w/ spear
sand shadow
yep
warlocks are expected to be quite proficient at kiting and understanding melee mobility this expansion to do well into cleaves
unfairly so, compared to melee cleaves just pressing W and mobility on CD
🤷♂️
wheat crane
Its also a little easier when you play with r1 healers
sand shadow
95% of the wlocks I meet I completely brutalize
until I meet someone really good at kiting
then i cry
wheat crane
If i gate on a duelist healer and dont give him a heads up im getting chewed out lol
sand shadow
for warlocks into melee cleaves, a priest healer is pretty big too as I mentioned
45s grips make a huge difference when added to the gate/port/NF mix
sand shadow
many warlocks lately have been running the gateway leggo into me too + gateway pvp talent
even when I play w/ an SP
(demo)
spice hornet
sub rmp still insanely broken
spice hornet
Ow
past jolt
holy fuck
u know what fucking trucks
fury warrior
idk why ud play anything else as a warrior player, this is ur best chance to shine
warped warren
yikes
near delta
Why press many button when two do trick
spice hornet
Good to see maxvila still carries sintimissi to this day
sharp meteor
isnt surv like the best 2s spec?
It's certainly up there.
thick reef
yea
deep valley
This is gonna be a rookie questions so apologies in advance - been 2100 in 2s for a while, looking to push first glad this season as ret war with my mate - when opening against comps like sham / warrior / dk, or feral / rdruid / rogue comps where they are in stealth or getting slowed by earthgrabs etc at the start. Is it best to just start smacking whatever is close, building frenzy stacks / SH stacks and trying to dictate positioning ready for double stun set up ?
indigo barn
Getting early tempo into comps is crital for ret/warr games
So if you can hit something without being caught out in a los for example, you should
deep valley
Thanks boss
spice hornet
When shadowy duel being deleted
indigo barn
Blizzard perma cc'd so never
full quiver
queued into affli ele
eles name is "petkillerx"
pet dies like 4x
lmao
bastards
near delta
Vsing ele as demo is brutal lol
full quiver
I heard the health funnel buff helped a lot
simple rock
my favorite thing to do as ele is kill a pet, they res it, and instantly kill it again
simple rock
Yeah I'm playing that kingdom call shit next time
I actually had no what what was happening when a hunter played that vs me once
the summoned pet had a weird ass name
it didn't seem worth tbh
healers just have to spend more resources healing pet
most healers suck at it
lucid walrus
figured
tranquil peak
If reck procs a bladestorm, are there any situations where you cancel the bladestorm?
shut plover
If reck procs a bladestorm, are there any situations where you cancel the blades...
Getting a kick, charging to keep up, peeling, you name it
tranquil peak
I'm just thinking it feels like a waste of 3s of reck
craggy socket
Cancel for an execute
elfin surge
If reck procs a bladestorm, are there any situations where you cancel the blades...
Ideally you want to sit the full storm because it does a lot of damage but canceling to refresh slaughter stacks, interrupting or disarming could take priority. Just need to make the call.
wind sand
Whats your take on SMF in pvp? is it viable?
elfin surge
Whats your take on SMF in pvp? is it viable?
SMF is trash do not play it
left storm
hey guys im new... How well should i use los against casters? I mindlessly start fighting in the middle of arena...
wheat crane
hey guys im new... How well should i use los against casters? I mindlessly start...
Vs double wizards? Hit nearest wizard to your healer and don't chase behind a pillar unless you will 100% kill
Los on big cds like dark soul and incarnation
plucky sapphire
Is there no honor belt you can buy. I've checked all the filters and have looked over it a 100 times unless I somehow have an add-on fucking it up. I haven't come across it on any other vendors though
wheat crane
there definitely is an honor belt
winged totem
wheat crane
its labeled waist tho in case you were searching for belt or something
winged totem
yep
full quiver
Is there no honor belt you can buy. I've checked all the filters and have looked...
Lol
This is like me buying the fucking leather piece everytime I try to make leggo on hunter
sharp meteor
that's really interesting
you take it when pet is kill
usually in repeat matches if like a comp can murder your pet through mend, exhil and healer stuff
full quiver
Yeah I need to watch ssds play vs some of these scumbags
left storm
Do you guys wait for damage to kick in or pre cast die by swords anticipating big damage?
nimble jasper
i mean you see a big pop coming your way you dbts
late dbts can be terrible tho
i’ve killed through sub 50% dbts so often
lavish ember
Should i replace weapons first or set pieces?
left storm
i’ve killed through sub 50% dbts so often
so you see the animation of sub offensive cd and then press dbs?
nimble jasper
idk you see them doing a go
and can do it for the DR
realistically if mage busts you still die
through dbts
left storm
how do you see them do a go?
When mage presses combustion?
sorry I'm still learning
nimble jasper
cc on healer
bunch of things
resonators
etc
idk usually one of them needs to be in cc
rmp can easily kill 100-0 through dbts
left storm
so what do you do when the healer is cc'd?
also they can cc the healer in number of ways and that does not mean that they are having a go
paper oracle
you break up the go the best you can, stormbolt mage, disarm rogue, charge mage because the rogue and mage are both apes and will trinket those things immediately and you fear both
ideally you bladestorm the kidney on you, have a cancelaura bladestorm macro so you can disarm the rogue since he's waiting your bladestorm to end to cheap shot
stop follow up cc on your healer
blissful dragon
I see a little conflicting information. For Fury PVP what are the ideal weapon enchants? And what is ideal armor piece for Unity?
Thank you!
nimble jasper
not sure where you see conflicting info
sinful rev+celestial guidance has been the enchant combo for all dual wielders
entirety of SL
blissful dragon
Wowhead Fury PVP guide suggests Enchant Weapon - Ascended Vigor (works with Fury self-healing)
Rev + cel is what Iw as using, just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something. Thank you!!
left storm
can die by swords counter hunter? xd
dapper terrace
If I'm looking to play thunder cleave this season with friends, would arms or fury be better?
wheat crane
Kinda hard to argue against fury atm
But id probably play kyrian with a caster
So you can spear peel
nimble jasper
can die by swords counter hunter? xd
depends what you mean by counter
it can buy time when your healer eats a full trap
left storm
Think he means parry
alright thanks guys
wet scarab
just got in alpha, throw me a DM if you want something tested and will get to it this week
thick reef
Does it matter what to upgrade first
nimble jasper
and its same ilvl ss last season’s conquest
craggy socket
I’m in just honor gear having to max it all out
Yeah I don’t have last seasons conquest :/
Solo shuffles are fun tho beats spamming bgs
lucid walrus
always has been
wheat jay
And that's why you dont play arms in s4
steep inlet
wrong
Arms is very viable
With the right comp
My brother went 2500 as ret arms last week
elder wigeon
arms is def worse than fury
arctic igloo
Its worse for sure but it can kinda work
sharp meteor
Enjoy barely scratching the wall of warlocks.
winged totem
probably dumb question, 2h wep > 4pc conq gear?
sharp meteor
Dunno. I'm probably going to keep using duelist tier, grab a 2h next week for maintain, then upgrade the biggest piece I can week to week. It won't make too much of a deal in the end, honestly.
winged totem
the only reason I ask is because I don't have it currently from last season.
sharp meteor
Tier for Fury is kind of huge, but so is mainhand.
sharp meteor
Yeah, a friend of a friend missed his dragon last season because he only waited to play Arms and waited too long. Couldn't dent all the Warlocks outside of big goes.
Which is a shame because it felt decent early on.
sharp meteor
the only reason I ask is because I don't have it currently from last season.
Honestly it's probably tier. I think mainhand might be better than 2pc but you need 4pc asap.
winged totem
Hmm
sharp meteor
Just grab the 2 haste 2hs from the honor vendor, I think.
winged totem
Like it feels 50/50 lol
sharp meteor
So think of it like this
winged totem
my gear now
near delta
Not letting peeps upgrade honor gear with Flux is kinda rough
raw summit
Ye
wicked bison
thats pretty bad
near delta
Gonna be what 5-6 weeks till new peeps can get enough conquest for all 4 tier pieces?
And that's not including weapons
sharp meteor
Is cap not 1200 a week?
lean burrow
hey, anyone experiences microfreezes since the update?
probably because of sortgroup and bigdebuffs addons
idk how to solve it, there are discussions about this on githubs of both of these addons, but they are unsolved
there's probably lot of people here who use both bigdebuffs and sortgroup? have you got freezes that get worse over time?
elfin surge
my name is deez
sharp meteor
hey, anyone experiences microfreezes since the update?
Probably addons.
spice hornet
my name is deez
You gonna be qing anymore outlaw rouge this week?
flat tide
elder wigeon
playing into outlaw rdruid in 2's is putting me on suicide watch
they can overlap every single cd every single DR but it doesn't matter those classes have 3x the toolkit of anything else
elder wigeon
I don't even think season 1 arms warrior has a chance into s3/4 outlaw
thick reef
its retarded
nah
i know they had condemn but
sstill
outlaw with rdru is just too much for legit almost anyrthing
elder wigeon
it's so unfair
literally overlapping every single cc at 2100 and I'm powerless do do any damage while the outlaw just flurries my healer and me and I'm forced to eat that AOE because if I try to deal dmg to rdruid I get disarmed into kidney into blind or any order of that combo
then spam cloned and rooted after of course
analog harness
Guys for 2v2 with healer which legendary is good for kyrian fury? I cant decide. Mostly people run with signet but what's when bladestorm proc when popping reckless? Cancel it? Bladestorm DMG is good enough to wait 3s instead of using raging blow/rampage? What about death maker? Also i saw in YT one guy run with reckless defense and IT looks very cool on paper. So what do you think?
nimble stirrup
fickle forge
Guys for 2v2 with healer which legendary is good for kyrian fury? I cant decide....
Deathmaker is fine if you don't wanna to consider the signet RNG
indigo barn
There's a reason 2s arnt taken seriously
lean burrow
Guys for 2v2 with healer which legendary is good for kyrian fury? I cant decide....
cancel bladestorm if you can rampage
which is probably immediately under buffs
analog harness
So signet is for burst and deathmaker for more sustain ye? And what about 3v3?
lucid walrus
yeah. same as above where 3s are concerned
elfin surge
You gonna be qing anymore outlaw rouge this week?
not playing this week
spice hornet
not playing this week
Why 
elfin surge
Why <:seramore:917663298869145640>
on vacation 😎
elfin surge
Where you goin? <@269709440146604032>
at cali rn
past jolt
my gear now
That’s one ugly ass mog bro
Mastery gems, double dps trinket, you’re still in soft cap #1 threshold you should vers until then
I can tell you’ve never been focused in an arena before, fury dies very fast without vers
sage raptor
That’s one ugly ass mog bro
He learned it from you 🙏
indigo barn
dense vector
deathmaker or signet for fury?
wind sand
This was literally asked 5 rows above
What do you guys choose between Depths of Insanity & Vicious Contempt?
lucid walrus
vicious is ass
wind sand
Hmmm, that sounds tempting
lucid walrus
makes sense on kyrian fury come to think of it
ivory pecan
What would happen if I had Ascended Vigor on my main hand and the other enchant, Sinful Revelation or whatever, on my offhand(as fury)?
sharp meteor
I play Sinful/Vigor most games.
lean burrow
Mastery gems, double dps trinket, you’re still in soft cap #1 threshold you shou...
what, you'd get 39% vers?
rain grove
Are u guys saving for double conq weapon or in what order are you going to spend conquest?
elder wigeon
buying main hand first
well, buying one to put on main hand
then buying another weapon
tiny dagger
how does arms look for this season? just coming back and dont really wanna keep playing fury
elder wigeon
how does arms look for this season? just coming back and dont really wanna keep ...
not any better, probably worse as wizards continue to become more popular
fury remains the best especially so against wizards
sharp meteor
how does arms look for this season? just coming back and dont really wanna keep ...
I'm not seeing what could potentially cause it to rise back up.
Fury just cranks the whole game.
elder wigeon
I don't even think arms doing more dmg would make it better
legit just needs d stance buffed to 20/20 and ignore pain nerfed by 25%
sharp meteor
Trying to play into something like dhmooner as Arms is just the most awful thing.
elder wigeon
that would fix the problems with arms imo
sharp meteor
Yeah, I wanted them to adjust IP instead of stance.
At the very least knock it down to 10/10 at this point.
-20% damage is just death
exert zero pressure
sharp meteor
if I see the enemy Arms queue dstance the game is usually just over
sharp meteor
I don't think 10/10 is even a solution though
I think that the mechanic itself is fine and perma sitting dstance and trying evenly is kind of degen like in s1/s2 where you just let your sp/ret do all the work while you never really expose yourself
so it'd kind of preserve the swapping in and out depending on gamestate aspect
elder wigeon
that's where nerfing ignore pain works
sharp meteor
-20% dmg done is just like cutting your legs off
like pressing ip on fury where you're conceding that portion of the game very inefficiently
elder wigeon
Yeah ignore pain is major ass as fury
that's mainly due to slaughterhouse imo
ignore pain isn't bad for the rage spent as fury in terms of actual mitigation, it's that it costs you that much dmg and all your stacks lmfao
elder wigeon
i swear fury wouldn't be that good if people were good enough to understand you can micro cc a fury with <3 seconds on SH and fuck the stacks big time especially outside cds
steep inlet
you badly underestimate arms guys
sharp meteor
The spec just feels like a battery of raw damage that at no point can play defensively or you're just in ruins.
elder wigeon
or purging enrage off with tranq or shiv or sooth
sharp meteor
you badly underestimate arms guys
I don't.
It can be fine/good into specific matchups as the right comps.
steep inlet
- you can do same dmgs as fury 2) if you are not focused, dstance nerf isnt a problem
y
sharp meteor
It just isn't a good versus all pick imo.
elder wigeon
if you're not playing ret war or turbo it's super ass
sharp meteor
i swear fury wouldn't be that good if people were good enough to understand you ...
Yes, cc'ing fury on rampage ruins the spec.
But nobody knows this so that's nice
steep inlet
if you're not playing ret war or turbo it's super ass
work with SP too
elder wigeon
you're too vulnerable with a sp
steep inlet
as arms, destroying enemy fury is a pleasure btw
sharp meteor
Whoops cucked your enrage window now you have to get 80 fury without raging blow refunds
lmao bloodthirst didn't give enrage sucks to be youuuu
sharp meteor
work with SP too
I've seen some boosters playing that and just full send opener
lucid walrus
I don't think 10/10 is even a solution though
that's an extremely do-nothing talent yeah
sharp meteor
but a lot of things work for killing people in opener at 2500
elder wigeon
arms just gets fuckin throttled after parry lmao
sharp meteor
that's an extremely do-nothing talent yeah
actually unreal that they nerfed it by HALFFFFFFFFF
lucid walrus
i'm still kinda seething over that
elder wigeon
I'm over it at this point
lucid walrus
mostly sticking to 2s rn outside of playing w/ pals' alts to warm back up but uh
sharp meteor
roll fury go next arms too much work
lucid walrus
i forget i have d for all my arms games ngl
sharp meteor
psure i had a single spear do like 100k the other day
elder wigeon
gotta be double
lucid walrus
was gonna say
triple is exceedingly rare
save for like, link i guess. even then you just kinda dip ur toes in
sharp meteor
i rememeber i think unchained spearing an rmp
priest faded out rogue cloaked mage bugged out with shimmer all within like a second
which was nice in terms of macro but like seeing them all insta remove it was just so jarring
lucid walrus
awesome
only took a lot of ladder mages 2 years to realize they're even more absurdly broken with blinking out of stuns
don't need shimmer too much unless you have a huge ego
sharp meteor
i remember queuing into a nb fire mage who played blink every game with blazing barrier and just didn't poly then spammed damage and when i mentioned this to a few mages they all said he was trolling and bad and that mage had to play shimmer
just like aff fire healer triangle and they wouldn't kite or move it was bizzare
couldn't dent the mage with all the shielding
warped warren
arms 
past jolt
Arms is viable but fury is broken 🙂
Good to be a warrior rn
The defense on fury is meh need a good Druid, shaman, or possibly mw to keep u alive in 3’s.
As well as you being smart and pressing bt and not spamming rb
past jolt
2’s isn’t fun, but you wouldn’t think that until you find a real 3’s team. I used to care about 2’s for years trust me I know
There’s 0 point in qing 2’s outside of practicing your class or a build or perhaps just trying to get a duelist cap when you have no 3’s for the week
lucid walrus
just like aff fire healer triangle and they wouldn't kite or move it was bizzare
what the fuck
i have yet to watch and actually recall EU-style fire where they sit there and toss fireballs to your dome
fickle forge
i remember queuing into a nb fire mage who played blink every game with blazing ...
It's how it often goes
Then when it gets recognized, those same people will go "It's good now bro" even though it's received 0 changes
craggy socket
do I really ever wanna use slam?
near delta
do I really ever wanna use slam?
As arms sometimes, as fury never
As arms mostly to not overcap rage. But it can occasionally have value slamming into wb/avatar or if someone is near execute range
paper oracle
the biggest difference for fury vs arms is uptime. crushing blow charge big crutch
near delta
the biggest difference for fury vs arms is uptime. crushing blow charge big crut...
I mean arms had death sentence without a cd before last season
Crushing blow charge still isnt as overpowered as death sentence venth mobility was lol imo
I'm shocked it hasn't gotten a nerf on the distance
fickle forge
But it's pretty much the same really
You're rarely out of CB charges, so you can use it to answer a lot of kiting attempts
near delta
But it's pretty much the same really
Indeed but crushing blow doesn't crit for half of the enemys health lol
Is aff/necro boom the new fotm pick?
paper oracle
aff/boomie and aff/ele are disgusting rn
near delta
I need to dust off my ele lol
Tried playing it beginning of s2 having never played a caster and just got wrecked by all the melee cleaves
wheat crane
Aff is a bit wild atm
Was playing corrup talent with creeping death yesterday damage is completely wild even without darksoul
wheat crane
Full dots drop a casting circle soul rot and spam claw drains
Cant kick it, cant kill me through it
I still think demos better in any comp without an ms tho
paper oracle
idk demo's been figured out
you either just line tyrant or kill it
kill his pet twice
and he's dead
channel your inner petkiller
also, if you wanna troll ele shamans, kill thier fire elemental
raw summit
What you gotta be aware of against ele is the flameshock
paper oracle
thats your healers problem
raw summit
It's stuff with flameshock on it gets the meatballs to the face
paper oracle
healer should dispel every echoing shock
raw summit
And what the fire ele does is make flameshock tick faster and hold longer
More proc more meatballs more ouch
wheat crane
idk demo's been figured out
True
hasty crane
full quiver
I need to dust off my ele lol
Traitor
lucid walrus
s4 bfa time!!
left storm
hey guys what's the best way to defend yourself against hunter?
near delta
hey guys what's the best way to defend yourself against hunter?
BM, surv, or mm? They all have different strats
fickle burrow
Are we still zug zug as fury? Playing with a healer in 2s.
Just want arms to pump, tired of Button mashing as gury
sharp meteor
Just want arms to pump, tired of Button mashing as gury
You're in for another season of hand pain.
fickle burrow
Sadge
sharp meteor
Unless they nerf Fury again which isn't outside the realm of possibility.
Although I don't imagine it'll get any changes.
fickle burrow
Well hope they dont, want that braindead 2.1k
Just want them to buff arms, feels much better to play
sharp meteor
Yeah, Surv is a super fun time if you wanted to try that.
fickle burrow
Gearing my outlaw rogue rn
fickle burrow
Looking at MM Hunter as my 3rd alt
Is there any pve items we might use this season?
Thinking gavel might be good niw that the proc can crit
raw summit
You are aware for max level ones of those you need 20 mythic bosses killed
fickle burrow
Ew didnt think it required that many kills for 1 item
craggy socket
Did bLiZz change the warrior talents already!
ancient sonnet
Well they released the Dragonflight ones if that's what you're referring to
craggy socket
Just saw the Facebook post idk if that’s what the post is for or did they make changes to the already posted talents
ancient sonnet
They were released like 3 days ago. I'd be shocked if they made any changes yet
fickle forge
Indeed but crushing blow doesn't crit for half of the enemys health lol
Only spamable 25k hits, it's not the same I swear 😎 👍
analog harness
Which healer u like to Play 2v2 as fury?
paper oracle
The one that will heal me
sharp meteor
I think that they all work but hpal can feel kind of rough into hunter teams.
wind sand
ayyy big achievement for me today, managed to beat 4 RM duos in arena. First time catching a fresh season start. Shammy used the earth shield lego and they had trouble bursting me down.
elder wigeon
All that mage has to do is spellsteal lmao
wind sand
earth shield does not have cd so it doesn't benefit him trading GCDs like that ;d
sharp meteor
Haven't queued into an okay rm in 2s yet but 3s mage a bit squishier and rogue mini goes less horiffying
sharp meteor
earth shield does not have cd so it doesn't benefit him trading GCDs like that ;...
so between setups you can get cleaned by the mage like as you're both being put into cc
seems like play is eq ele or sephuz into rm as rsham
with earth shield leggo into "damp" matchups
wind sand
he went deeptremor only one of the rm matches
btw i didn't go disarm on any of the matches and went for warbreaker to pressure mage
sharp meteor
mage can nova it but you rip that off yourself with bloodrage then sham can throw eq ele
wind sand
idk if thats the go on higher ranked matches
sharp meteor
unsure as to preferred it really varies by team some mages just can't deal with the rsham
other times rogues will blow up in a bolt
full quiver
elder wigeon
earth shield does not have cd so it doesn't benefit him trading GCDs like that ;...
Can’t press it while cced
worthy fern
@full quiver what’s that loss at the bottom?
full quiver
Feral druid who knows how to play
worthy fern
Imagine playing survival and losing to feral
elder wigeon
that's a fat L
full quiver
I actually have no recollection of that game
worthy fern
Blizz spoon fed that matchup to you
worthy fern
Right
elder wigeon
i feel like there's a 500cr skill gap
worthy fern
Atm?
full quiver
🤔 🤔 🤔
worthy fern
Or ever
worthy fern
I’m 2.4 on feral
Xp
I just like giving you guys shit cause it’s the most one sided match in the history of wow
robust flicker
stupid war question of the day - for fury is it best to go right for both weapons or weapon/other pieces and pray for vault rng
elder wigeon
weapon for both warrior specs are your biggest pieces
full quiver
It's one sided if you don't cross Cc every go haha
worthy fern
Fought mw outlaw as arms mw last night and it felt decent
full quiver
If you try and pve you lose
elder wigeon
it's a horrible matchup for lfg
worthy fern
Yea I was on voice
full quiver
Lol
worthy fern
I would disarm cooldowns and my mw would disarm kidneys
Spear mw when possible
Went to big damp
full quiver
I love killing them because it's like revenge for all the fury games I lost
Oh they hit evasion I can't do anything lol
Oh I'm disarmed now that evasion over
Oh I'm blinded now
worthy fern
Arms def better into it probably
wheat crane
I actually have no recollection of that game
full quiver
I think so yoo
full quiver
Lol
elder wigeon
rsham/rdruid is worse I think but yea
sharp meteor
outlaw is the only thing i consider leaving for now
or surv if i'm on assa rogue
also fury has numbed my brain so much I didn't notice that I had pet ms disabled on my hunter until like 20 games in
spice hornet
good to see this is back!
elder wigeon
lmfao
wheat jay
also fury has numbed my brain so much I didn't notice that I had pet ms disabled...
Fury brain
spice hornet
why do lock players always abuse shit
elder wigeon
because they fotm rerolled to warlock in the first place
very few warlock mains playing lock rn
wheat jay
Cuz that class revolves around oneshots
Its ranged rogue pretty much
Everyone in fear
Drop oneshot skill with 60 modifiers
sharp meteor
Fury brain <:okayge:917646812519739433>
we were like 6 minutes into a game and my healer is like "you're ruining them in damage how are we behind" and it occured to me that i turned the pet ms off in a shuffle where i had a fury warr on my team to not rip rampage stacks off
sharp meteor
why do lock players always abuse shit
i mean that's why they rolled lock
stand in middle of map and hit buttons
wheat jay
Its so funny how everyone is pointing fingers at other classes if they can oneshot
But then there's warrior
sharp meteor
warr got a lot of attention with necro banner 1-shots
wheat jay
That is a big offender in that regard
wheat jay
warr got a lot of attention with necro banner 1-shots
Ye lol
What I hate the most is that people often think some class deserves to be oneshotting others
sharp meteor
get sd proc, warbreaker, charge with warbringer into execute proc and sharpen ms was like 👌
actually just kill first go every game until like 2200
wheat jay
Which is just ridiculous but that's the most common opinion of people every season
sharp meteor
"mom says its my turn to be op"
wheat jay
Like I swear to god people don't want the game to be balanced
They just want to be the overpowered one
sharp meteor
i mean that's true most people don't want balance they want the swings of power
feels good to be bigger ball of stats
wheat jay
And once they drop from SSS+ tier to A they riot
I do understand that
But its retarded
And people who just want to be meta 24/7 and to be stronger than any other class are delusional and retarded
near delta
And once they drop from SSS+ tier to A they riot
SSS+ to S and they're like WTF
wheat jay
elder wigeon
wtb DF beta
sharp meteor
Oh, made me check. Neat.
wheat jay
Oh, made me check. Neat.
Noice
sage raptor
What do yall listen to when you pvp?
sharp meteor
My healer sighing.
elder wigeon
meshuggah, erra, veil of maya, monuments, northlane, ocean grove, stuff like that
wheat jay
What do yall listen to when you pvp?
The only thing that I know
frigid maple
do i pour all my honor into trinkets or do i just buy gears one by one
i already have decent gears except weapons
elder wigeon
weapon is most important
frigid maple
which do i buy for fury or is farming it better right now
as in farming m+ or buying with honor
floral ingot
full quiver
also fury has numbed my brain so much I didn't notice that I had pet ms disabled...
Lol
I have it macros into every ability except intim where I have it set to turn off
frigid maple
can only farm up to 278 ilvl as of now
ill just buy a weapon for now i guess since i can get a better weapon than the one i have with the amount of honor i have but thanks will try to farm M+ for the higher ilvl
left storm
hey guys... if you are matched against a dc priest and protection pally..Who would you target in 2s?
My fight dragged on for 10 minutes.. And the two seemed unkillable
elder wigeon
disc and prot pally?
left storm
yeah
elder wigeon
I would never opt to hit a prot pally
they get holy power that way
IE more healing
left storm
damn i kept hitting him
elder wigeon
that's the worst thing you can do
left storm
dc priest is so tanky i though i'd go against prot
elder wigeon
yup disc is very tanky but the actual tank's designed to handle taking damage better
left storm
i have decent damage but i struggle against healer comps as i dont know which one to target
elder wigeon
all situational
frigid maple
oh em what add ons do you guys use to help with pvps
elder wigeon
big debuffs #1
sharp meteor
hey guys... if you are matched against a dc priest and protection pally..Who wou...
Queued into it earlier and beat the shit out of the Priest.
Protection throws big dam judges at you every other second if you hit them at all, so minimize cleave, I think, then just cc/dispel/break the Paladin buttons on the Priest.
full quiver
In 2s just train disc