pvp

[full quiver]

Tbh

[sand shadow]

but once those got addressed, S1 BFA was actually pretty decent imo on the whole

warrior wasn't the bleed bot it turned into later on, there was burst in the game, avg game duration was pretty decent

[full quiver]

Bleed warrior doesn't sound fun

Hope df isn't like that

Arms s2 was so fun, chunk ms and exe

[sand shadow]

the guy who decided that Arms Mastery ought to be bleed dmg increase

[full quiver]

😂

[sand shadow]

that guy, I hope he got fired

and stepped in a fucking puddle on his way home

freaking idiot

[full quiver]

Lol

[sand shadow]

that shit didn't even make sense from a RP PoV

[full quiver]

Are dks wet noodles now

[sand shadow]

DKs are probably crushed now, yeah

I mean, the nerf to Abom limb was needed, but they received 0 compensation

been saying that Abom Limb in PvP ought to be, say, 1min cd, but 60% of the dmg or some shit

[sharp meteor]

Now they shouldn't be threatening during their giant go.

Necro Fury gonna tear them in half.

[sand shadow]

Can't imagine DKs had much fun legit relying on Abom to win every game more or less

[sharp meteor]

Ret got compensation and is better so like

kind of fried that they left DK out

frost too got limb nerf but no buffs

[sand shadow]

indeed

[sharp meteor]

so like

hm

oh well retwarr war crimes for 4 seasons in a row

[sand shadow]

I mean, what DK was this last ssn was unhealthy class design for sure

2 presses of abom limb

in a, say, 3min game

those two presses were like 35% of their overall on avg

which reminds me that I never did figure out how abom limb grips actually work

and why they defy the tooltip, which says that the same target can only be gripped once every 4s

[sage raptor]

No

[sage raptor]

Conduit got nerfed. I'm still doing a bunch of damage as unholy

[sand shadow]

yeah I know

[sage raptor]

Limb isn't what was doing the damage anyhoo

[sand shadow]

???

[full quiver]

?

[sand shadow]

yes it was

[full quiver]

Lol

It was like their second or 3rd on damage meter

[sage raptor]

The unity effect was

[full quiver]

And only happened for like 15s

[sand shadow]

what no

its always #1

[sage raptor]

Have you looked at the death log? It's always the pets doing the killing.

[sand shadow]

from all the details breakdowns i've seen vsing UHDKs, it's always top

I mean, it's obviously not JUSt Limb doing the killing

But it sure as fuck hurt

[full quiver]

Used to anyways

Lol

[sage raptor]

If you play unholy and you kill someone during your burst. You'll see that the majority of your damage is from pets in the death breakdown.

If you looked yesterday

[low cobalt]

is fatality legit or a meme?

[full quiver]

Lol

[sand shadow]

@low cobalt we'll see

[low cobalt]

it looks fun af on paper but i can see all the high rated people saying its trash

probably too all in

[sand shadow]

listen, friend

these high rated people know shit

[low cobalt]

LOL

[sand shadow]

nobody has actually played the game

[low cobalt]

i mean i trust them im just sayin 😂

[fluid surge]

You can´t que ranked until reset now? (eu)

[sand shadow]

one can be 1452x blizzcon champ

the only thing to be done right now is to judge the new talents based on what we know to be true right now

which, judging by these talent trees and the incredible power increase most of them offer, has exactly 0 bearing on what "will be"

[low cobalt]

yea the trees look great so far im very pleased

[sand shadow]

yeah, but how they will interact with others is unknowable at this point

[low cobalt]

warriors best class in the game SSS tier confirmed

[sand shadow]

yeah, expect to be bombarded by shit like that

[low cobalt]

😎

[round yoke]

is fury the new tank spec

[sand shadow]

reality is nobody can tell with any kind of certainty that that'll be the case

we don't even have access to the PvP talents yet do we

only pvp talents ive seen are the evoker ones

[sharp meteor]

Again, too early to say. Tree looks super cool, though.

[sand shadow]

the limb nerf hurts UHDK

[sharp meteor]

He's not wrong. DK getting fat nerfs and rmp and jungle barely getting touched kind of stings.

[sand shadow]

and so does the spellwarden

[sharp meteor]

I don't know. Kind of weird.

Hunter with the war crimes.

[sand shadow]

eh, RMP is getting touched

[sharp meteor]

Surv got buffed actually.

Eh, true.

[sand shadow]

although, that'll be the 7th time mage surv is being "touched" so

[sharp meteor]

Jungle wasn't.

Surv buffed.

BM surprisingly no 4% buff lmao

[full quiver]

Survival buff3d lol

[sand shadow]

idk if surv got buffed by as much as ppl think

[full quiver]

Raptor strike 15%

[sand shadow]

it's a tactical adv for them to spam their dmg from range, and that got nerfed no?

[full quiver]

Is huge

[sand shadow]

Raptor is like 3-8% of their total

[full quiver]

And you play cotw most games now

[sand shadow]

from what i've seen most games

[full quiver]

So you get 1 min eagle

Lol idk

[nimble jasper]

the funniest thing about outlaw

is for all we know

[full quiver]

Depends on match up and player but 3-8 seems low

[nimble jasper]

they could get bugfixed

and blizz doesnt announce it

like this

[full quiver]

And are better now lol

[sand shadow]

@full quiver idk, thats based off of memory, true

but also hundreds of details breakdowns over the course of SL

that said, perhaps that's because I play a warrior

[full quiver]

Lol

[sand shadow]

and therefore survs avoid melee

[full quiver]

Yeah not raptor striking a lot of wars

Outside of eagle

[sand shadow]

could be

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1550350774

watching this rn

he did 4 raptor strikes in 1min so far

vs casters

[sage raptor]

He's not wrong but people are taking this 50% wayyy out of proportion lol

[full quiver]

Yeah but your 1 min eagle go is going to blast

Highest raptor I hit this season wad 25.5k lol

[sand shadow]

I sympathize with Cerva, the annoying fucker that he is. DK has needed help for a while now so he's probably frustrated

[sage raptor]

I have no idea who he is tbh

[sand shadow]

You don't know who Cervantes is?

[sage raptor]

Should I?

[sand shadow]

if you play PvP as a DK, I'd expect so yea

perhaps you're NA, that might be it

[sage raptor]

I am.

[sand shadow]

he's like the longest standing DK MR1 in EU

certainly among the very best

[sage raptor]

If he's a streamer then I also make an effort to ignore streamers.

That's nice. Good for him.

[full quiver]

Lol

[sand shadow]

🤷‍♂️

[sage raptor]

Sinful unholy sucky donkey dong

[full quiver]

There are like 3 high rated dks people know

Or 4 I guess

[sand shadow]

idk, Cerva is kinda synonymous w/ DK PvP in my head, guess that's just me 🙂

[sage raptor]

Petkick one? He ran gargoyle. That's all I know about him.

[sand shadow]

I've known him since Cata

[full quiver]

Popo is fried

I'm cool idk anything about good players attitude smh

[nimble jasper]

merce higher dk

this ssn

[sand shadow]

it's normal for these people to whine, it's literally their job most of the time

their spec being dogshit for an expansion hurts them financially

[sage raptor]

I find it funny tbh

[nimble jasper]

cerva also star of that one savix vid

“how to catch a giant rat”

[sand shadow]

yep

[full quiver]

Lololol

[sand shadow]

he's a poopy human

[full quiver]

same with flark

Common theme

Same with @qcp

Wtf

@mystic barn

Oh

Lol

[sand shadow]

he hurt us, EU people, with that behavior in that tourney

[sage raptor]

"People"

[sand shadow]

we do have them in Europe, yeah

[nimble jasper]

idk who was that dk in mop

who was infamous for ddos

idk dk has alot of…personalities

[mystic barn]

wat

[sage raptor]

Chicken butt

[full quiver]

We were listing dks who are bad people

And I said it's a common theme and tagged u

😂

[sage raptor]

It's true. I main dk and I take pride in committing tax fraud/evasion.

[full quiver]

Lol

A leech who plays wow, makes sense

[sage raptor]

You tell me what the old farts in congress did to earn my money

Act broke to stay rich. Get them bands 💰

[sand shadow]

that's illegal tho

[full quiver]

Lol

[sand shadow]

you're not allowed to do that man

[sage raptor]

Oh nyooooooo

:c

[sand shadow]

criminal scum

call 911

[sage raptor]

Well since you put it that way, they can have one dollar. As a treat.

[sand shadow]

idk what to do w/ my free time now, S4 is shaping up to be even more dead than S3

and still ~2m till wotlk

[sage raptor]

Farm mogs? That's what I'm doing. Some hidden pets/mounts.

[sand shadow]

i'd rather clean my room

[sage raptor]

Yeah maybe actually touch grass

[simple rock]

yeah touch grass or play an actual good game

unhook from the wow

[sand shadow]

been touching way too much grass lately, it's icky

and ewy

[sage raptor]

My gf did that and now I have no arena partner. Been stuck in content limbo for a while.

[sand shadow]

and there's a fucking heatwave in EU

[sage raptor]

Oof

[simple rock]

we just had one here

west canada

sucks ass

35c for a few days

[sage raptor]

There's a drought where I live but it looks like it's gonna rain soon. I can smell it.

[full quiver]

At gym rnow

[sand shadow]

35-38c here, but it's extremely damp which makes it far, far worse

[simple rock]

haven't been to gym in a week

getting over covid

[sage raptor]

I go on 2 mile walks at night. Can't wait until it starts cooling off. It's been 39c the last couple of days

It's so humid too

Make it stop :(

[simple rock]

need to look into investing in AC

if every summers gonna be hot af

[sand shadow]

it's so odd that you westerners don't have AC baseline

my Balkan shithole of a country, everyone, even in villages, has one

[simple rock]

in the US everyone has AC

in Canada and Europe they don't

[sage raptor]

I've got 4. But it's simply not enough.

[sand shadow]

it's currently 23c in my house ❤️

[sage raptor]

And 2 fans

Ooo

[sand shadow]

whoever invented AC is the real GOAT

[sage raptor]

Our central air majiggy got stolen by a crackhead.

[simple rock]

I was sweating games on my ele last week

while it was 30c in my house

actually sweating lul

[sand shadow]

jesus

can't even imagine living like that at this point, no joke

[sage raptor]

If I pvp while I'm hot, I get irrationally angry.

[sand shadow]

Why not go for an AC? It costs like $500 here

certainly not a lot of money for your standards of living?

[sage raptor]

Well for a while the one in my room didn't work so sweating was my only option. I have an ac now.

[simple rock]

my lease on this rental isn't super long term

but i'm planning on moving anyway so I want ac when I move for sure

[sage raptor]

And its August so it'll cool down in a couple months

[sand shadow]

my last rental, I point-blank refused to move in until they installed an AC in my room

I paid for it myself

and then deducted from monthly payments

[sage raptor]

Guys I found it

The chair for the CEO of gaming

[sand shadow]

yeah gl w/ that

and 30c rooms

my fucking ass would mold into the chair itself

[simple rock]

that chair is so ugly LOL

[sage raptor]

A chair like that doesn't belong in my house lol. It's wayyyy to fancy.

[sand shadow]

that's not fancy

[simple rock]

you can buy used herman miller chairs for 1/5th the price

[sand shadow]

thats kitsch

[simple rock]

and they'll last forever

[sage raptor]

Fancy stuff is suppose to be ugly

My broken office chair is good enough anyway

It works I just can't change the height and if I pick it up, the chair part and the legs fall apart.

So I simply dont pick it up

[sand shadow]

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0417/0108/1245/products/ergo-pro-1_2000x.jpg?v=1595861494

I bought this fairly recently

I believe it's a Chinese ODM, so might be available in your country too

[simple rock]

looks like a staples chair

[sand shadow]

pretty damn good

[simple rock]

we have those here they're solid

[lucid walrus]

yeah it's just straight up not a thing for most west euros

[sand shadow]

shit weighs a fuckton

incredibly solid

and the mesh is heavy duty AF

[simple rock]

I use this, ikea markus

[sand shadow]

hasn't budged an inch

[simple rock]

big value

[sand shadow]

so breezy

yeah the Markus is pretty decent

but idk, I didn't find it as comfy

[simple rock]

only issue I have is the arm rests

[sand shadow]

and I really wanted a mesh seat

[sage raptor]

1-10 on comfort

[sand shadow]

imo a solid 8

far and away the best i've had

cost me around $450 or so on sale

my other issue w/ the Markus is that it tilts even when locked, like most dogshit chairs I've had

very slightly, but still tilts

annoys the fuck outta me

this one, when locked, doesn't budge a milimeter

[sage raptor]

Oooooo

That's huge

[sand shadow]

it was my top prio, alongside all-mesh

[sage raptor]

Mine is always stuck leaning back so my posture is screwed when I sit on it.

[sand shadow]

all my previous chairs, i'd get swamp ass, esp after repeat queueing into jungle

[sage raptor]

Why all mesh?

[sand shadow]

breezy

your back and ass are both ventilated

and is suitable for very big guys, this one

I'm 191cm so I needed something larger than average

many lower end chairs, for example, had their lumbar support cushioning very low; this one's is adjustable, so that was a big plus

[sage raptor]

Hmmmmm. That's a strong contender.

[sand shadow]

no clue if they have them where you live, but it is a Chinese OEM so mb they do

https://www.chairpro.bg/products/ergonomichen-stol-ergopro-mesh#erid5236785 video here

[full quiver]

Lol

[sage raptor]

Ty

[sage raptor]

You in a laughing mood today?

[full quiver]

Always

I was laughing about old donkey talking about his ac adventures

[sage raptor]

That's good

[full quiver]

And then chat updated with 40 more messages

[sage raptor]

I'm debating, do I want cozy or do I want ventilation?

Fugg

[sand shadow]

I don't even buy a car w/o ventilated seats so mb i'm odd in that way

but imo ventilation is #1 prio

esp if you're gaming for hours or working

[spice hornet]

[sage raptor]

I see what you mean. I'm gonna have to go somewhere and try a bunch of chairs.

[sand shadow]

all my previous chairs were either leather (whether genuine or faux) or a mix of that and some mesh/textile, this one feels much better

[full quiver]

I have a leather chair that I got for free from building Manger in 2016

Same with shitty particle board desk

Meanwhile rest of house has super nice furniture lol

[obsidian loom]

so with the new season

do i keep stacking versa

or should i gem for haste

[warm pollen]

boysss

i just got 1820

:d

[sharp meteor]

Idk pick whatever u want secondaries are a meme

[warm pollen]

so happy

what u guys think is the best comp for 2s for a warr?

r sham or holy priest?

ive been playing with r sham from 0-1820

[deep valley]

^ piggybacking on Ig's question, going to be playing ret war 3s, necro fury the way to go or spear fury / spear arms better?

[warm pollen]

i like necro fury alot

with ret

[simple rock]

out of those two? they're probably pretty even now with hpriest nerfs and rsham buff

but mw and rdruid are better for warr 2s

[indigo barn]

Are we going to stance dance or is it just going to be battle/defensive?

[dense vector]

So... wtf. Official patch notes had rank 1 honor gear at ilvl 255 yesterday. Now on release it's 265

Does Blizz often fuck up patch notes like that?

[sage raptor]

For pvp yes

It's happened with something each season

[full quiver]

Rsham probably way better than hpriest now for 2s

It felt really good last patch already to me. Way better than priest.

[wheat crane]

7/7 is 285

[dense vector]

Ye, but this is what they had yesterday

[sand shadow]

rsham is prolly best atm

superior to priest for sure imo

[warm pollen]

ty guys ❤️

ive been playing with an r sham

[sand shadow]

you just need him to understand the value of offensive play

[warm pollen]

we got to 1850

[warm pollen]

u mean playing very offensive every time we can ?

[sand shadow]

many lower end rshams are more concerned w/ keeping everyone topped off, but the reality is that them playing offensively well often saves them a truckload of work healing wise

He absolutely needs to work with you on landing kills, yes, like every healer really

some healers, esp if lower XP, however, believe their job is to simply keep the party alive

[warm pollen]

yeah i feel he is doing that job pretty well too

he makes good dmg

[sand shadow]

killing and living is a party-wide job

you need to support him when things are grim, and he needs to support you to land kills

an rsham playing offensively can change the momentum of the game

[warm pollen]

most struggle we had was against hunters i think

[sand shadow]

and momentum is king

[warm pollen]

or dh r dru sometimes

[sand shadow]

go Double Time Warbringer w/ BLoodrage

and absolutely smash the hunter

[warm pollen]

yeah i run those

but theres some hunters that are soooo good kiting

[sand shadow]

I get their turtle 95% of the time in the opener

[warm pollen]

yeah

i always aim for that thats true

[sand shadow]

nah, unless it's a hsit map its up to you

let him know he can purge hunter's freedom too

[warm pollen]

sham also helps alot with frost shock spam

[sand shadow]

during your pop, that's rarely needed anyway

[warm pollen]

😮

[sand shadow]

you're unstoppable w/ banner and reckless abandon and two charges

[wheat crane]

Man affi feels good lol

Absolutely pumps

[sand shadow]

I am actually laughing when hunters disengage me

free warbringer charge in the face

thanks

[warm pollen]

xD

yeah i also laugh sometimes but theres some others that know how to kite so well

[sand shadow]

the other day I crit 25k w/ that

xd

10/10 design

[warm pollen]

after i spend all my charges they just dance me around lol

[sand shadow]

that only means that you're getting CCd

or you're not making good use of your crushing blow minicharge

it takes some time to get used to, you literally have 0.5s decision making time in many situations

gotta get used to being a mosquito

[warm pollen]

hahaha

100%

[sand shadow]

in many, many scenarios (think of these as 1-2 GCD slices in this example) I'd actually purposefully NOT hamstring him

[warm pollen]

i mean sometimes it has worked alot for me

[sand shadow]

and instead crack his head w/ a crushing

only hamstring when otherwise would mean a disconnect

it's hard to explain because it's so fast paced and minute details make a difference, but I actively avoid pressing hamstring

you just need to do it a few hundred times and you'll know

if they CC y ou during pop, insta trinket and be ready for it, you can't let him disconnect

[warm pollen]

thanks you bro

i get it

[sand shadow]

you have no better trinket options vs hunter teams anyway, you need it offensively and offesnively only

source: i've tried everything else, zugzuging is by far the superior tactic in 2v2 vs hunters

[obsidian loom]

The amount of spell cleaves

Is too damn high

[lean burrow]

so is stun or double charge better against hunters?

every time I see this discussed there are different opinions

[simple rock]

stun feels fine vs bm and surv

mm can actually kite fury somewhat

so double charge feels better

[lean burrow]

feels like charge is easier to play

but stun can be good against freeze trap

does it even matter?

[simple rock]

depends on map, your comp, their exact specs

even heal is viable vs disc hunter for example

but yea it comes down to preference mostly

[lean burrow]

heal

why against disc hunter though?

[simple rock]

you can just sit on disc forever

heal during trap

[lean burrow]

ty

[sand shadow]

in 2s?

DT/WB is 100% better

[daring wadi]

NGL Fury looks unkillable in DF

[sand shadow]

based on SL meta, sure

everyone will have many more buttons in DF, though, we'll have to wait and see how it unfolds

[lean burrow]

ty, good to know

[daring wadi]

True but looking at Fury getting DBS, Enraged Regen and the new "Bitter immunity" At a glance it looks crazy, not to mention the amount of Offensive cds we have

[lean burrow]

what comps should I take stun against?

[sand shadow]

I think Bitter Immunity is kinda... meh

it's a 3min CD

[lean burrow]

those who I can keep uptime on?

[sand shadow]

it's cheap tho, just 1 pt

[daring wadi]

It removes bleeds though

[sand shadow]

I mean sure, decent vs feral

1 out of 36 or so specs

[daring wadi]

Feral and Ass rogues.

[sand shadow]

we will prolly spec into that for jungle

ok assa too prolly yea

2-3/36

[elder wigeon]

maybe fury doesn't have ignore pain but arms does

[daring wadi]

Since it removes Poison, disease and bleeds it basically counters a rogue sepsis

[sand shadow]

but you're overestimating its value based on current assa

perhaps in DF, assa will be like old assa

where removal of those won't be as high value as right now

rn, you removing those is incredibly valuable

[daring wadi]

True, But considering the new poison amp. IDK.

[sand shadow]

we just don't know 🤷‍♂️

[elder wigeon]

i wonder if ignore pain is baseline for arms

[daring wadi]

Yeah its hard to say for sure

Im just excited to see it tested

[sand shadow]

its freaking impossible to say imo

[lucid walrus]

removes them but doesn't keep them off. only gonna be useful for cd poisons imho

[sand shadow]

we all are, wish I'd get beta for once

been a wow sub since fucking March 2005

yet to get a beta even once

fuckers

[daring wadi]

Same

[sand shadow]

and I always opt-in, too

[lean burrow]

beta is overrated

get sigma

[simple rock]

if feral and arms have bleed builds

and assa has dots

I think that talent will have decent value

for 1 point

[sand shadow]

might be, yeah

[daring wadi]

OldDonkey what level pvp player are you?

[sand shadow]

a very high level one, i am a god gamer

[lean burrow]

god gamer?

I know only one god gamer

and he is bald

[sand shadow]

yes, I part seas

I am balding too, yes, yes

[lucid walrus]

donkey's consistent high multiglad iirc

[simple rock]

bald + ratio + eu + didn't ask

[daring wadi]

Im curious on your opinion of the tree, I feel it's certainly better than Hunters xD

[lucid walrus]

hunter is a low bar

[lean burrow]

real bald god gamer

[sand shadow]

these days yeah, I guess that's fair

[lucid walrus]

idk the extent of your xp tbh

just recall you mentioning the higher end of 2.x mmr

[sand shadow]

0.1%

[lucid walrus]

beast

[sand shadow]

my points ought to have internal logical consistency regardless of my ingame rank anyway

if they don't, you shouldn't listen to me, or anyone else

even if he's quad R1 S3SL

[lucid walrus]

agreed

[sand shadow]

I just have a pet-peeve w/ content creators/current R1s that make loud proclamations about the future meta of a future expansion

Reality is much more un-exciting than that: nobody really knows jackshit

we need arena and access on a large scale to come to any conclusions

as I say for the 3rd time tonight, warrior trees look really good

but so do many others...

how these will mesh together is simply impossible to say

esp since these are Alpha trees that are bound to receive further, significant tuning/changes

[lucid walrus]

really don't envy simcrafters or guide authors right about now

[sand shadow]

what if, for example, MS no longer hits very hard? Or OP?

Everything else might look great, but in the end of the day, warrior is a DPS role in arena

if you don't do competitive dmg, it doesn't really matter that much if you're sturdy AF

people will just spam control you and ignore you, kinda like they did in BFA

and find a win condition elsewhere

[lean burrow]

I thought warrior is emotional support for ret

[lucid walrus]

currently it is

[daring wadi]

Warriors aka MS bots

[lean burrow]

warrior-psyfiend

[lucid walrus]

we were pretty much psyfiends for all of bfa after s1

[simple rock]

my nephew is the pvp intern at blizzard

was just told that we're getting 6s intervene back too

[lean burrow]

what about overwatch talent

[simple rock]

removed due to referencing violent video game

never coming back

[lean burrow]

[sand shadow]

ah, Overwatch

loved that talent

sadly, it's too complicated and actually gives warriors something other than pressing raging blow to do and we can't have that

read the wowhead comment section on the new warrior talents for example

people whining about the return of stances

[mild thunder]

I saw someone say fury had too much going on

Rip

[sand shadow]

god forbid some complexity is returned to warrior

[near delta]

Can we move all this DF talk to dragonflight-pvp so it doesn't clog up the discussion?

[sand shadow]

can't have the best of the best be any different than your average 2.4k enjoyer

[mild thunder]

There is no DF PvP

[near delta]

That's the joke :<

[sand shadow]

[near delta]

What's all this about stances?

[mild thunder]

R/woosh 🙁

[sand shadow]

@near delta DF returns stances

battle/zerker/def

if you spec em, that is

[near delta]

Goddamn where was that didn't see it on the tree

[mild thunder]

My only complaint is probably having to play fury again

Ffs

[sand shadow]

but you'd spec at least 2 anyway

[near delta]

Ah just looked at the arms/fury trees not general warr one

[sand shadow]

yeah its in the general one

arms gets freebie battle

fury gets freebie zerker

prot - def etc

[mild thunder]

Someone pls explain why fury, the berserker spec, gets an extra defensive over arms

[sand shadow]

idk

its a good question

frankly, idgaf, so long as fury isnt as dumbed down as it is now

im so tired of spamming raging blow

w/ legit 0 situational concern

its gotten so bad that I am thinking of re-binding it to a kbd button since its currently on my mouse and thats causing me to shake my camera like a crazed person

[mild thunder]

It’ll probably be a bit better with rend and no more conq banner

And probably a slower rotation with no 3rd charge

[sand shadow]

im actually sadge conq banner is going away tbh, Kyrian spear is so much better a spell but getting it cheesed so consistently is annoying AF

[mild thunder]

Well no more craven on hunters, and hopefully they fix classes blinking out of it

[sand shadow]

yeah I am sure they'll fix it in DF after not fixing it in the past 2yrs

[mild thunder]

Trueeeee

[sand shadow]

think about it: Hunters FD it, Priests Fade it, DKs Walk it, Monks port/Revival it

mages blinks it

palas bop it

rogues cloak it

[mild thunder]

Tbf if you’re forcing bubble, that’s kinda huge

[lucid walrus]

i hear it's physical now but i'm not sure

[sand shadow]

BoP, not bubble

[mild thunder]

You can’t bop it, can you?

[sand shadow]

you can

[lucid walrus]

you can

gets rid of the tether

[near delta]

BoP, cloak, transcendence, meta

[sand shadow]

lower the duration if you have to, but also lower the # of options to nullify it

id also love it if they increased the speed of the projectile

and do the same for bolt

big dick changes

[near delta]

I feel like you could probably leap it

With an @cursor macro

[indigo barn]

Just noticed fury can get 3 defensive cds and a 12 second cd kick

[sand shadow]

I am telling you dude, people are abusing that WA for spear VERY successful at higher MMR

[near delta]

Which WA?

[sand shadow]

alarms you when a Spear is mid-air

[simple rock]

fighting demo locks all the time stinks! there that's s4 pvp discussion

[sand shadow]

so you can cheese it

locks port it, mages blink it etc

monks port it too

[near delta]

🫂

[simple rock]

you can leap spear too if you're a chad

[near delta]

That's my favorite outplay of SL lol

[sand shadow]

kill his damned pet sneakily if you can, then kick his fucking mouth on fel dom

[simple rock]

it's much harder than blinking though

[sand shadow]

do it w/o a WA then

[lucid walrus]

seen some arcane + demo at fresh mmr today

[sand shadow]

and i'm fine w/ it

[near delta]

I did

Back when I played ww s2

[sand shadow]

good

[near delta]

It's nto hard

[sand shadow]

but I bet it's not as consistently as what i see

I legit have a new bind for spear

w/ a @clear halo macro

to fuck their WA

annoying AF

[near delta]

You just roll into port

[near delta]

Wait how does that work? lol

Ohhh

[sand shadow]

./cast @clear halo Spear of Bastion

same way hunters land traps more consistently

if they can melee range

[simple rock]

less time to react?

[sand shadow]

yes, the projectile is very fast w/ the macro

w/ the limitation that you need to be on top of them, ofc

[near delta]

So the macro is like the MG cast one?

[sand shadow]

whats the MG cast one macro?

[near delta]

I need to find this thing cause it sounds pretty interesting programming wise

[sand shadow]

as a hunter, you can ./cast @clear halo Freezing Trap for example

so instead of working w/ the reticle

[near delta]

It just shows when the priest is casting MG and how much time till it goes off

[sand shadow]

you just put it underneath yourself

[near delta]

Seen Mud use it on stream forever ago

[simple rock]

wait isn't that just their cast bar lol

[sand shadow]

I am not sure I understand... I see how much time left until it casts via the cast bar?

[near delta]

Nah it's just a little square that shows it's going off

In case you aren't looking

Can't entirely recall tbh

[sand shadow]

hm

[near delta]

Also, if someone made a similar macro for stormbolt it'd be brutal

So monks could easily port it

[sand shadow]

idk, I am so used to getting aidsed in arena, I am never not looking at arena123 cast bars

but sounds handy anyway I guess

@near delta there is one

I have on for monk Disarm fo rexample

I often storm their disarm, because the projectile flies slowly

I mean, not consistently ofc, esp since you need to have a storm ready

but it is very helpful

[near delta]

Wait it shows the grapple as it's coming?

[sand shadow]

yes

[near delta]

Can you link that?

[sand shadow]

big fat icon on my screen

when he casts it

which, depending on distance, can take a while to hit you and disarm you

https://wago.io/tRlBDZ5UG/1

[mild thunder]

You can also just bladestorm spear

[sand shadow]

Spear ignores BS

unless you BS just the milisec it hits i believe?

[mild thunder]

I’ve pre-bladestormed and ignored the tether

[sharp meteor]

Are you sure you weren't on knock dr, like from vortex

[sand shadow]

you're hoping on server ticks then, not reliable at all

[mild thunder]

Pre sure

[sand shadow]

or knock DR

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, unreliable.

[mild thunder]

Maybe it was just luck then

[sand shadow]

or mb he missed

its not very hard to miss your spear

esp vs enemy fury warriors

w/ their fuckign curshing blow mini charges

happened to me at least

[sharp meteor]

Yeah ideally off bolt, at LEAST piercing

[mild thunder]

Honestly

All I want

[sand shadow]

hence why I started using ./cast @clear halo Spear of Bastion into melee cleaves

[mild thunder]

Is the defensive stance nerf reverted

[sand shadow]

not always, but a decent amount of time

[mild thunder]

And for arms to not suck compared to fury

[sharp meteor]

Arms would still be lost in the race of dmg, I feel.

[near delta]

The choice of big spear vs signet on the general warr tree seems kinda wack

[sharp meteor]

Everybody just hits so hard for the entire gaame.

[sand shadow]

I really can't stress how helpful having an @clear halo SPear macro is, you won't believe until you get used to it

so long as you understand the limitations

I reckon it improved my dbl spear accuracy by at least 10%

[sharp meteor]

at player and at cursor both useful.

[sand shadow]

I use both yea

[sharp meteor]

but ofc neither replace the standard reticle

it just

[sand shadow]

two binds

[sharp meteor]

depends

[sand shadow]

I don't use the reticle for spear, but do use it for leap

it's partially a personal choice really

I don't use the reticle for leap because Blizzard fucked leap

[sharp meteor]

i have t for at cursor leap then alt t for reticle

[simple rock]

this game really is world of weakauracraft fkk

[sand shadow]

so easy to "leap" at the bottom of the balcony in Mugambala, fo rexample

[sharp meteor]

tap t for insta leap, alt t to aim to be sure

[near delta]

It's pretty dumb lol

[sand shadow]

if you use cursor instead of reticle

[sharp meteor]

in a pinch its nice to insta close the gap

if u have a second usually just aim so u dont do the awk little bunny hop

up a pillar 1 inch

or yeet spear into a chandelier

[sand shadow]

yep, it's a speed vs consistency tradeoff in my exp

[near delta]

I might make a mod macro for cursor leap

Sounds like it could be useful ocassionally

[sand shadow]

but if you're used to @cursor leaps, mb its not an issue at all

all I know is that I hard nerded M+ tanking in s1 sl

and had my leap w/ @cursor

but could never get it to work in pvp, idk

and then on my outlaw, I have the hook w/ @cursor

probably more of a personal preference thing than anything else

this reminds me of BLizzard fucking leap so badly that you can no longer leap to the mini-balconies on Tiger's Peak

toxic

all because some randos were leaping to spots in the open world that you were not intended to

[warm pollen]

how to win against outlaw r dru

[sand shadow]

you can't

[warm pollen]

hahaha

[sand shadow]

unless w/ an hpala

then you can win

[warm pollen]

😮

how about assasination rogue holy priest

[sand shadow]

🤷‍♂️

[warm pollen]

same shit?

😄

[sand shadow]

whats funny about assa/priest nowadays is

and I can't belive how quickly those people forgot this

is that they can absolutely 100% counter you consistently w/ no risk

by just always MCing out of KS

but it seems like everyone has forgotten that they figured this out back in BFA

even w/ a purger healer, it's incredibly effective

if you have no purger healer, then you're just fucked

[warm pollen]

ye

im playing with r sham tho

just faced a fucking destro lock + aff

double dpsin

this game sucks

lol

[sand shadow]

kill destro, trade all CDs to live on your go, don't back to a pillar, DT/WB/BR + mb even bounding stride

if you back to a pillar, wait 2min for banner

get rsham to play EQ ele

get him to insta start spamming hex to bait early kicks

vodoo mastery

try to reflect/storm coil/fury

coin toss matchup

[warm pollen]

❤️

ty brother

yea i didnt had dt wb on that game

would have helped alot

[sand shadow]

best bet w/ a rsham is to try hpriest prolly

[warm pollen]

ty

wb dt for survival too ?

[sand shadow]

+BR

you need BR always into surv

can get away w/o it vs bm

but I still spec it just to be sure

only press on steel trap

id want my rsham to be vodoo mastery into that too, if its surv/priest

esp since you can brutalize hunter in opener and hopefully get him in a position where he can't even kick

good rshams will watch hunter health and pre-cast 2nd DR hex if he's low to hopefully fuck priest trinket too

[warm pollen]

❤️

thanks you bro

[sand shadow]

kind of like boomers do to us when they quick clone when we have trinket, good ones will try to pre-cast a 2nd clone if they suspect you might want to trinket it

which you usually do if you're rolling banner/reck

[thick reef]

@sand shadow ur a hero to this discord hope you know that

sorry for ping just wanted to let u know

[sand shadow]

thanks i guess, though compliments make me uncomfy tbf

[thick reef]

fair i feel that way to sometimes

uncomfortable and nervous

[sand shadow]

just try what I suggest and hopefully it works for you; never give up on a suggestion after trying it just once, you need a data set before making a decision whether tactic X is bad or not

it's not as simple as someone giving you a good idea and it automatically works, you need to do it well too

and thats much harder to impart

[thick reef]

ya u need to play around with it, learn it and be able to use it right.

[sand shadow]

how do you teach someone to avoid wasting parasitic GCD? Only comes w/ multiple attempts and getting used to it

very true into hunters in 2s w/ DT/WB/BR

you need to do it very well, or it just fails

but once you get the hang of it, it's stupidly strong

[thick reef]

yeah exactly agreed

[sand shadow]

its easier for me because i've lived through warrior designs where we had extremely limited mobility and were stupidly easy to control... to come out ahead, you needed to be incredibly vigilant and conservative w/ your mobility

i am so used to optimizing for uptime i dont even think about it much

w/ DT/WB/BR its a whole different game

[thick reef]

same here will always try hardest to not use charge in opener or anything to make sure i always have something for what they use mobilty wise

[sand shadow]

e.g. today SR is legit free... you just press it. Back in the days, we had to have considered the need for SR in the next few seconds, pool rage, perhaps be prepared to swap stances and go 1h+shield

was very different

[thick reef]

yeah i remebmer that u had to use 1 hand and shield for SR i think

[sand shadow]

worse yet, it cost 25 Rage

which back in the day was like... having to pool sth along the lines of 70 rage now

[thick reef]

oh yeah i forgot almost everything was rage back then

[sand shadow]

Rage was far, far, far more difficult to generate

[thick reef]

yea it was slower

i think

it was more on your auto attacks

like all of it came from it im p sure

[sand shadow]

yeah

[warm pollen]

what is swifty doing ? i saw a video he was doing some kyrian prot warr cheese on rbgs lol

[lean burrow]

is it possible to survive double lock's burst?

[lean burrow]

I love reading messages here, lots of insights

[thick reef]

yeah agreed

[warm pollen]

43 42 lolll

need to get better

[thick reef]

i mena

mean*

thats still p good

ur fighting r1s no? 1.8 on first day is great bro haha

[warm pollen]

i've been trying my best

[warm pollen]

yea fkin sweaty games

[thick reef]

yea fr

thats stiill good man

congrats!

i do feel on win loss it does feel eh to have a mixed win loss

[spice hornet]

what build are you planning to run for prot pvp in DF?

[near delta]

Wtf is this 2s ladder?

I thought there'd be a lot more try hard type people on

[simple rock]

actual try hards are playing 3s

[near delta]

Yeah that makes sense lol

I'm going against like NF Unholy DKs in 2s

[simple rock]

high mmr 2s rn is just rdruids that think they're good

VORTEX STEALTH DRINK I'M INSANE!!

[near delta]

Lmao like Whaazz

"Kidneyed the priest. I'm insane!"

[simple rock]

whazz humor is like being sarcastic most of the time

then saying the worst takes

with 0 sarcasm

[near delta]

That time he made this whole post about how enh is so OP probably cause he lost 1 out of 20 matches to one

[spice hornet]

Earlier every game was hunter/disc at 2100mmr right when the servers came up

Doing infinite dams

[near delta]

Huh almost everyone I've run into so far is just not good

[near delta]

Did the MMR not reset or something?

[spice hornet]

No it did

[full quiver]

It's like 400 lower

I'm at 2k on hunter

[spice hornet]

Started at like 2060 or something

For me

[near delta]

I'm like 1850 on my fury rn

[spice hornet]

Reminded me why I hate that bracket and the sweaty hunters

[near delta]

After about 30 minutes of queueing

[near delta]

tru

[thick reef]

I’m not queuing much until later in week but we played 1 game and it legit lasted forever. Was against hpal/mage and the mage whispered my Druid after we won saying he hopes my Druid gets COVID and ends up on a ventilator And put him on ignore LMAO

[lucid walrus]

[peak marlin]

whats the best 3s comp for warris?

[near delta]

Ret/Warr. Turbo is also really good.

[peak marlin]

i thought ret is dead? all ret streamers crying

[simple rock]

how did I just reflect grip and asphyxiate

one of them off global?

[lucid walrus]

uh

great question. thought they were both on gcd

[dense vector]

for fury in unranked BG's just looking to pump, with a priest pocket healer... what pvp talents should i go

messing with warbringer + double time

wonder if death sentence for the execute charge also procs warbringer and would be worth it over enduring rage or slaughterhouse

[shut barn]

Defensive Stance A defensive combat state that reduces all damage you take by 20%, and all damage you deal by 10%. Lasts until canceled.

FUCK YEAh

Wish we had this on s4 too

[elder wigeon]

that's pve

unless they change it, it's -20% damage outgoing and -10% damage incoming

[steep inlet]

I tested it

It still 10/20 on PvP dummy

[elder wigeon]

yep

[indigo barn]

Has someone got the elite enchant yet?

[winged totem]

Necro > Kyr for pushing rating?

[elder wigeon]

depends on the comp\

[winged totem]

Gotcha ok 👍

[willow stratus]

is epic bg's the best honor farm rn?

[peak marlin]

warri ret still the best 3s comp for warri? cause of ret nerfs

what about smth like warri ww?

[sage raptor]

Did people forget it also got buffed?

[floral ingot]

Solo shuffle

[shut plover]

Its not nerfs exactly, less burst in wings. More dmg outside of wings

[willow stratus]

even with the weekly buff?

[wary harbor]

shuffle is faster to do and you can just stop when you dont want to do it anymore. epic bgs can take so long

[lucid walrus]

not the best

squishy dps + squishy dps = not a fun time

[willow stratus]

que is just so long for shuffle

[wary harbor]

then q epic bg in the meantime idk. honor farm is boring af anyways

[willow stratus]

i really like shuffle, just wish ques were shorter

[floral ingot]

Healers don’t wanna q shuffle

[willow stratus]

they should give them bonus honor or something

if they dont already

[floral ingot]

Cause they just get W’d by double melee every round

[willow stratus]

melee mobility creep does seem just WAY too high

and this is coming from a fury main

but like i have near infinite up time on targets it feels like

[floral ingot]

Nah, they aren’t gonna do anything until DF

And in DF the problem will fix itself cause rating

[willow stratus]

it still looks pretty crazy even in DF

[willow stratus]

oh cause its solo ranked

[floral ingot]

Yes

[willow stratus]

i wonder if warrior will suck in solo ranked because the lack of self heals etc

[floral ingot]

If ppl don’t peel the healer they won’t climb

Nah warrior can play with any class

[willow stratus]

compared to like rogues defensives for example

[floral ingot]

Warrior will be fine

[willow stratus]

true warrior does have crazy comp options

[floral ingot]

Stuff like enh is worrisome

Cause they only have one good comp

[steep inlet]

Warrior S tier DF

no problems

[willow stratus]

Maybe I can make a glad mount push this season on my fury warr

[lean burrow]

I somehow ran out of spear by using bloodrage

think I pressed bloodrage at the same time spear landed on me

so I was visually tethered to spear, but could run out and hit anyone

also briefly bladestormed, though I've read here bs doesn't help against spear

[wet scarab]

291 crit vers weapon first raid night

bladestorm doesn't help against spear you can tell the fury fotm rerollers because they pop banner reck at the start and you root them with spear and they blow bladestorm trying to get out

[full quiver]

Lol

Yeah idk why bladestorm doesn't work on grips and tethers

Kinda dumb tbh

[wheat crane]

It is kinda funny being gripped

[simple rock]

was probably just the spear bug. you were most likely speared while hugging the pillar

[wet scarab]

yeah it's only happened once or twice for me against warriors I have to assume it's some weird positioning bug rather than an actual strategy

[wary heart]

wasnt this in legion

its horrible

[sand shadow]

no, legion was dmg increase during CSmash iirc

[wary heart]

bfa?

i remember it was recent

rend-bot spec is awful

[past jolt]

i find it funny that blizz has just said fuck it and has given every " i want that back" crowd their wish

with the df trees

looks very mop like power creep sadly

as much as i lik ei t

[sharp meteor]

All the 40 year olds who asked for big talent trees in shambles over not knowing what to pick

[obsidian loom]

I can't wait for the impending balance shitstorm

Salt must flow

[lean burrow]

I wish I was recording, I was mostly in the open

maybe I could discover some new giga strat

that'd be funny interaction between bloodrage and spear tho

[wheat crane]

That was the best

Nothing op if everything is op

[past jolt]

oh i know what to pick

https://www.wowhead.com/beta/talent-calc/warrior/fury/BPUFRFVVQBEFGoFQFCBQNVUVFUFVAEgqFUBQ

[full sigil]

What slot should I be putting my legos in this season for Fury 3's. Do mechagon rings change anything?

[past jolt]

at least the class tree

tuning dependent on the fury tree

the bleed options i do not like hopefully those are bad

if zerker/battle's passive effects stack with relentless, all will be human, if tehy don't, all will be orc

and everything else will be far behind

SO ima have

1. Enraged Regn
2. Die by the Sword
3. Bitter Immunity (Kyrian Phial in SL)

Double Time, Stormbolt, Intervene, 30 second heroic leap with speed boost on it, Spear, Signet of the Tormented Kings LOOLOL

[obsidian loom]

I'd find a way to squeeze in shockwave too

It'll be too good vs melee

Idk how tho

Maybe play shockwave over piercing in melee and piercing for spell cleaves

Or maybe not bolt bc stun dr anyway

Hmm seems like you need bolt to progress

Idk

[cosmic pumice]

depending on damage scaling SMF fury and fury in general just looks flat out better than arms

why does fury get parry enraged regen, that now heals you 25% health instantly like in wod, and you can pick up 15% overall leech from the tree, along with the three new SMF talents

also can still pick up impending, the new cleanse+heal talent. looks like another expansion sitting in nerfed dstance

[rain field]

I don't think you can? The only way to get shockwave is to give up another end tier choice, Elysian Might, Signet, or the new phial

[obsidian loom]

Yeah

That's sadge

Rogues get every cc

[hasty crane]

[sharp meteor]

you're about to get put into a montage kiddo

[past jolt]

idk, don't force bad choices for shockwave, I'm 99% sure my class tree will be the meta pick for fury at least if everything existed as it does now in s1 of DF (99% chance it won't!)

not to be pretentious, it's just that i think it will be the pick in mostly that order bc of the thresholds required to get the frothing, bitter immunity and spear of bastion + elysian might sorta force that path

• signet

war machine looks really powerful, i felt bad not getting that 1, it would depend

50% more rage on autos is like alot if i'm thinking about it right

my spec tree for fury may not be what ends up being optimal, it's impossible to tell with the actual spec trees because you have no idea with these old and new abilities what their tuning will be like

that's why I only made a fury spec tree, Arms has so much stuff that's nnot in SL so i'd really need to evalualte it on beta

reckless abandon without the 4 set may be worse than AM so who knows

[full quiver]

Man I played double sub like 10x going from 2.2-2.3 on hunter in 2s

Last week lol

Was so annoying

[past jolt]

2's is ur biggest mistake

[full quiver]

Nah it's fun on survival lol

You're like the apex predator

[proven maple]

Surv does have some great options vs almost all melee

[spice hornet]

Get out

@full quiver

You don’t belong here

Not a true warrior

[full quiver]

No one that plays fury is either

😂

Spec is so boring man I can't take it. Survival feels more like arms

[nimble jasper]

pirate only spec

i can stand chain queueing into hunters on

dude feeds into cdr and if you’re lucky you just tab over finish off his pet rq

[full quiver]

I farm outlaws lol

I keep pet on rdruid 90% of game so he can't drink and just split dam

Diamond ice on evasion and steel trap off cd

Ez games

[nimble jasper]

idk most outlaws i run into are real bad

just turn on bladeflurry and pet is perma half dead

[full quiver]

last one i played yesterday was 2900 last season

and he got dicked down lol

i even missed 2 flares on sap

kek

[nimble jasper]

yeah idk people are weird

[full quiver]

2muchwine

[nimble jasper]

and dont just play greenskins

[full quiver]

he played venthyr

and it pumped so much harder

[nimble jasper]

what the

[full quiver]

than any other outlaw i've played

it was legit only close match vs outlaw i've had on hunter

[nimble jasper]

yeah its more burst

but worst elsewhere

[full quiver]

he actually ahd kill pressure

[nimble jasper]

never seen an na outlaw play venthyr

[full quiver]

same

i would suggest it

he was pumping

[nimble jasper]

ehh you get one big go

per 1.5mins

[full quiver]

yeah but you can get trinkets without a go lol

[nimble jasper]

about the same

but kyrian if you hit your blues in stuns hurts alot

[full quiver]

i've never played

but on receiving end venthyr felt way worse lol

maybe this guy was just better than ones i played last weekend

/ missing the flares was big no no tbh

[nimble jasper]

most are boosted and play cdr

[full quiver]

only reason game was close at all

[nimble jasper]

while doing 0 pressure

[full quiver]

is that leggo dead now

[nimble jasper]

i snapped a guy in half once cuz crits

somewhat