pvp

[mild pier]

Yeah I just love how signet works but deathmaker does seem pretty nasty

[wary heart]

i tried it in 2s with mixed results

if you're not kited a ton its worth

you have to maximize the window sb is active

otherwise signet is more zug

[mild pier]

Right, makes sense

[wary heart]

i played it into mirrors or dk/pala 2s

but vs anything hunter, rdruid, monk sig

[mild pier]

Fo sho. I'll probably stick with sig then

[near delta]

Oof C9 dropped

[spice hornet]

wht mean

[lucid walrus]

disbanded their wow roster

[amber harness]

bruh when do they remove this vers shit

did my first pvp crap in a year and experienced you need vers
fucking trash version of resilience that is also reducing the choices of your other stats - and u suck without it, I think its so bad

[raw summit]

Whats ur ilvl

[wheat crane]

I mean

Just get vers gear

[near delta]

It's not as bad as last season since they removed the trinket vers buff

[amber harness]

idk im kinda in the whatever mode now but with dragonflight I wanna do 50:50 pvp and m+ and with this weird as gearing system I have twice the gearing effort
imo thats just bad

because of a fake resilience stat

[obsidian loom]

if we get a pvp vault drop this week is it going to be conq for next season this tues? :^)

[near delta]

Its not too bad since they both have seperate curencies and all that. The worst is the vault. Imo, they really screwed up not having a separate slot for pvp like BFA had with the pve chest and pvp chest.

[wheat crane]

You can tank in df

Versatility is like bis stat for tanks

[coarse turtle]

does shattering throw break turtle?

[wheat jay]

No

[coarse turtle]

says magical immunities but i think turtles are special enough

[wheat jay]

Turtle is not an immunity

Its deflection

[coarse turtle]

oof good point

ty for the quick answer

[wheat jay]

[raw summit]

@coarse turtle warbringer goes through turtle

[coarse turtle]

would you do like double time warbringer into hunters then?

[raw summit]

I always run that because funny

[coarse turtle]

the true meta

[wheat jay]

Anything that sweeps goes through it

Through tranq too

[full quiver]

👍 👍

[elder wigeon]

you'd think sweeping strikes would go through it, buff arms

[full quiver]

It does

[elder wigeon]

no chance, it deflects it

sweeping strikes attacks still count as single target hits

that's why you can apply colossus and hamstring to other targets with it

[sharp meteor]

I feel like I've killed turtled hunters by sweeping off their pet.

[elder wigeon]

doesn't make any sense

[sharp meteor]

Or maybe it was a warbringer.

[elder wigeon]

that also doesn't make sense, since it's not a ground level attack

[sharp meteor]

I've killed with mid-air swings before turtle "went off" but that's something else entirely.

[elder wigeon]

that's batching

[sharp meteor]

Yeah.

[elder wigeon]

you can't even warstomp a turtle

[sharp meteor]

It was VERY noticeable in s1 with condemn

because you'd crit, they'd see the health bar drop, go to turtle when the next condemn was going off

turtle goes up, chop goes through it

[elder wigeon]

yeah I mean I've killed people through fade

doesn't mean stuff goes through fade, it's just the servers suck

[full quiver]

It goes through turtle

You can hit pet and kill hunter

Goes through tranq too

Uses to do it all the time with spear

They turtle spear and you smash pet lol

[sharp meteor]

Yeah I'd need to see it again to be sure

I know there's something that lets you hit druids in tranq sometimes

and tranq works similar to turtle in that it deflects stuff

[elder wigeon]

there's no way it should let you lmao if it does it does and kinda cool to know

[sharp meteor]

It's weird, like, it has to be an indirect thing or something. Like a surv bomb idk.

I need to poke a buddy to test it in a duel or something it's just ananoying because tranq/turtle cd

[elder wigeon]

yup time consuming to practice getting out of spears

[simple rock]

real chads leap out of spear reliably

[sharp meteor]

i can't even spin disarms reliably 👴

[simple rock]

[vernal plank]

4th time 2s into double rogue today. can someone explain how the eye buff works please? It says you can see stealthed players but i cant see anthing.

[spice hornet]

It sucks they hug pillar tightly makes it hard to see them

[warped warren]

you can sweep and flurry hunters in turtle

same like scooby do said about tranq

[fickle forge]

Turtle is just dodge/deflect, so you should be able to AoE some stuff through

[wheat jay]

You can

Same with dots

They dont get removed or absorbed in any way

[earnest oasis]

bro i just had the worst sesh of all time today got fucking demo dk on blades edge and mugambala every fucking game

what kind of comp actually beats this its unwinnable as war

[fickle forge]

I need an explanation

[raw summit]

Skill issue

[elder wigeon]

Nightfall + lock tier set + decimating bolt

[fickle forge]

Ah okay, so he outskilled me by procing Nightfall while casting SB

😎 👍

[full quiver]

Lol

[obsidian loom]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-gif-21913959

[rapid shore]

:D

[sharp meteor]

necro aff kind of reliant on this ya

works kind of like necro demo 1 bang

tired of modifierlands mang

[fickle forge]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-gif-21913959

[obsidian loom]

meirl

[amber harness]

is TG better than SmD in pvp too?

wondering how the 12% buff behaves in pvp modifiers

[sharp meteor]

single minded is bad unless u wanna meme on people with fishe

[near delta]

Holy shit I love it lol

[wheat crane]

Is warr dh still decent?

Buddy wants to play his dh over dk next season

[steep inlet]

not really good atm

[fickle forge]

Think Mud is playing it rn

[sage raptor]

It'll get you to 2100

2400 probably idk

[spice hornet]

Not the best comp but glad viable

[wheat crane]

ret warr > tsg > dh warr basically?

[sharp meteor]

death, taxes and retwarr

[solemn bear]

what lego do you all reccomend for arms PvP?

[sharp meteor]

enduring on waist

[solemn bear]

thanks. Is exploiter or unhinged viable?

also, can unhinged benefit from Mortal Combo?

upon looking it up, apparently unhinged can benefit from BOTH mortal combo AND sweeping strikes. thats pretty damn good. lots of mortal strikes

[fickle forge]

It's pretty ass though

[spice hornet]

Unhinged is very unreliable at like anything pst 1700

[fickle forge]

EB is infinite more damage

[spice hornet]

Way too many pets thst est the hits especially in demo lock meta

And then BS becomes involved for dmg instead of using it to avoid CC or arms

Disarms

[solemn bear]

my only reservation about enduring blow is that mortal strike is what gives you the buff for 6 seconds. but Mortal strike has a 5.4 second cd for me. so thats maybe 1 mortal strike that benefits from the buff, unless i have an execute ready.

[sharp meteor]

No other leggo compares.

I could maybe see like a fringe case with say

like unhinged with fdk or something

[solemn bear]

okay i will take your word for it. ima get EB

[sharp meteor]

like sephuz into rm

[spice hornet]

It can keep extending your CS tho.

[sharp meteor]

it's just unreal dam

relative to other leggos

[spice hornet]

Ive had a 30 second CS rebuffs

debuffs

[solemn bear]

oh it stacks CS time???

damn nice

[fickle forge]

You've got other buttons too

OP hits decently as well

Plus you get a bit more Tactician proc with the tier

[solemn bear]

EB it is. thx guys

[sharp meteor]

it can also proc off ms conduit

also synergizes with tier

enduring blow is like the bandaid to arms

[lean burrow]

fury: bulldozer

arms: skamtebord

[solemn bear]

whats "ms conduit"?

[fickle forge]

Mortal Combo

[solemn bear]

oh okay thanks

[spice hornet]

when u run into this in 2s from rogue/mage players does this just depress anyone else?

[lucid walrus]

yeah it's pretty sad

[sharp meteor]

that's legit every rm or outlaw/healer

[elder wigeon]

no it makes me happy

[sharp meteor]

ya no dragon for 2s players

[elder wigeon]

more so it proves a point

[keen silo]

how do you fight demo locks with healer in 2's as a warrior?

[spice hornet]

Zug him or just probably leave cause warrior is kinda dog shit when you get higher in 2s

[sharp meteor]

fear tyrant if u staying in otherwise piercing and pillar

idk how the matchup really plays out in 2s

also in the case of arms probs just lose because zero dam

[spice hornet]

Came back today playing some arms disc again

Get t bagged by a demo hpriest team and an afflic hpriest team

[fickle forge]

I get the demo

But the affli one?

[sharp meteor]

owo -ports out of line-

owo -gates to the other side of the planet-

[spice hornet]

Finally connect

Axe toss

Coil

Connect again

Life grip

Prob the least fun season so far for 2s as a warr

[sharp meteor]

Minute grip, minute gate, 30s port, 30s axe toss, 45s coil, 120s second axe toss

[fickle forge]

Surely you just follow with leap and charge and fuck him over due low armor?

[sharp meteor]

So generally you just port then line with fox and they're in shambles

minute gate also rips off spear every time too so like

maybe with an rdruid or sham it could be okay

but i think Aff just does too much damage and is too mobile

[fickle forge]

Idk, affli feels like such a non-issue for me personally

2s and 3s

Super die to phys dmg

[sharp meteor]

I think I did like 20k dps in opener to an Arms/Hpriest team because he whiffed pummel

Still suffers from a few issues in 3s though curious how the changes feel on tuesday

[fickle forge]

But how does he just, allow that?

If you can't stop affli dmg, you can at least line it

[sharp meteor]

Wym he just burned all his mobility trying to catch me

Whoa leap to fail to stop gate epic

[spice hornet]

[fickle forge]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-gif-21913959

[wheat crane]

oh shit theres a whole section for plater imports on wago

later threat plates

[cedar slate]

how hard is it to get into pvp? want to start grinding arena with a friend but we have no experience and play warlock and warrior and I am assuming that is not a good 2s combo, does anyone have any suggestions on where to start?

[sharp meteor]

Awful 2s combo, yeah.

Uh, ideally find a healer and queue 3v3

Also get 15k honor to buy 285 gear on tuesday

[cedar slate]

do you know any content creators that have a good introductory series on arena? @sharp meteor

[sharp meteor]

Idk lol I just queued games because all the external content aside from r1 streamers was useless

everybody just reads off stats websites instead of telling you how to play

not sure how it is these days

[cedar slate]

so u just straight up hopped in and raw dogged huh

[sharp meteor]

Not sure where you might find an actual intro guide

it's good to have a bit of a framework to build off of

[lucid walrus]

fella named choice on youtube seems to have one. doesn't tell you much about comps but it seems to discuss mechanics judging by the segment titles

if you wanna know warrior stuff specifically you can check the pinned stuff in here

[full quiver]

Larros does a good job saying what he's going to do while doing 2s

Helped me learn

[lost warren]

hey - came back for 9.2.5 from 9.0, first arena season since playing MW in BFA. How you all handling sepsis? I see it's getting nerfed tuesday so.. yay.. but until then, take it up the rear?

[simple rock]

react instantly or die

healer dispel, kyrian phial, instant wall, healer cds

[lucid walrus]

vend+sepsis go is a ticking time bomb with like a one-second fuse if you're lucky

[sharp meteor]

It's your stuff or your healers. Treat it like convoke.

[rugged rune]

Is turbo fairly easy to climb?

[sharp meteor]

Trinket, parry/enraged, aegis, etc.

[sharp meteor]

Yes.

[rugged rune]

Thought so shaman was asking for a Brain dead comp

[sharp meteor]

Every comp is.

[dawn folio]

i see a lot of kyrians in low mmr, but looking at murlok i see a majority of Necro.. does it matter between the two or is there a clear best?

[simple rock]

yeah necro is better

a lot of classes can get out of spear very easily

and it simply does less dmg than necro in most situations

but kyrian is still good

just not as brain dead

[dawn folio]

makes sense, tormented kings still godtier?

[simple rock]

ye

[dawn folio]

cool

ty

[spice hornet]

Warrior 2s

[dawn folio]

just doing 2s so I can get conq for my prot tier pieces, ran like 20 m+s today n nothing for head and chest/shoulders :(

big sad

[lost warren]

s4 starts tuesday, wouldn't you wait?

[dawn folio]

i would, starting tuesday tho i work 9 days straight so i wont have much time unfortunately

trying to prep for when im good and can grind

[plucky sapphire]

How do vault rewards work with a new season? Season 3 gear still?

[lapis haven]

just swapped to arms from fury. is it better to deck yourself out in lower ilvl Honor gear (259 from rating) or use 262 + gear with the right stats on it for pvp

so my question would be is the lower ilvl stuff better bc it has more stam for fleshcraft?

[warped warren]

🤔

[steep inlet]

wtf

[stuck karma]

[small silo]

Does anybody know if we will be able to turn honor gear into tier set next season ?

[fickle forge]

Very likely no

[scarlet barn]

How does lower ilvl have more stam

[lapis haven]

i thought maybe cuz its for pvp thats why it would have more stam than a regular piece of dungeon loot......

[scarlet barn]

Same ilvl of same piece generally shares same amount of stam

Pvp gear has two states, one that activates in pvp and gives more ilvl and one that stays the lower ilvl outside of pvp

So you always take higher ilvl

If you hover over piece of gear and it shows you only one ilvl , that means that it is showing you the max

If it shows two , then higher one is pvp version

[wheat crane]

That was an early wow thing

Grandmarshall gear and early arena was stamina heavy

Nowadats like raz said its basically just highest ilv with correct stats

[lapis haven]

idk how im suppose to pump as arms in pvp. Any pointers?

fury feels so much better

[sharp meteor]

u go fury because arms does no dam

i have seen a few arms as emotional support for ret/enh but fury just seems better in general

[gusty zinc]

^ sad but true

[sharp meteor]

queue into demo can't dent them and die

queue into dh mooner do no damage and die

just too much dmg for arms to really try to play a lot of the time

[mortal elm]

ironically arms is a really good counter for rogues and fury tho, nothing else sadly

[open glacier]

with current balance patch notes for s4, what looks like its going to be top pvp classes?

my bets are frost mage and demolock but idk, was looking to level an alt for those moment I'm not using warr

[lean burrow]

emotional support lmao

[sharp meteor]

like arms damage is okay/fine it's just that so many other specs are batshit insane

damage across the board as well as healing is just too high for our health pools

they could actually do like a blanket dmg/healing nerf and/or health buff

[raw summit]

Arms is too fair

[lean burrow]

i liked this

gonna play only venthyr arms on alt in S4

condemn is soon to be gone

[raw summit]

If you scroll to the pve part

"should i play fury or Arms in castle nathria"

[lean burrow]

seems up to date

we are getting nathria soon

[fickle forge]

Just tag the valks and ask them to update it

[paper oracle]

If only we had pvp storm forged @fickle forge

[fickle forge]

Don't look at me

Take it with the valks

😎 👍

[wheat jay]

i know right @fierce elm

[fierce elm]

wtf

[wheat crane]

Lets go boys, pulled 1st pick in the $500 superflex

Allen or taylor now?

[stuck karma]

Taylor does have good tailoring skills that often flex in superior ways

[wheat crane]

Nice

[fickle forge]

Goes in the portfolio

[sharp meteor]

Very nice. 🪓

[elder wigeon]

if execute maintains the same tuning in DF, with fatality, execute is gonna smack for billions with skull banner and sword spec lmfao

[wheat jay]

I hope they remove sudden death

And massacre, and then execute does giga dmg even when its unbuffed

[elder wigeon]

fatality doesn't proc off executes above 30%

you can also execute above 80% health in dflight too lmao

[wheat jay]

Execute not even being an execute skill is kinda shit

[uncut pollen]

I agree w that

I love high rolling people with sd

And turbo one shorting them

[wheat crane]

My buddy wants to plsy turbo next szn, fine to stay necro fury? Or should i swap kyrian?

[sharp meteor]

hmm necro feels fine/good

spear feels nice into everything except dks though

like conq lets you kill dks through ibf in opener but they're getting nerfed soon

conq also easier in general imo

[lofty lily]

Intervene macros, should I create 2 for arena, I.e intervene player 1, intervene player 2

Or intervene at player name

[simple rock]

both are viable options

I prefer @name but it means you'll have to update them every time you play with someone new

[lofty lily]

I’ll have a set team for season 4 so changing the name won’t be an issue, and thank you

[mild thunder]

There’s an addon called SortGroup that ensures your party1/party2 is always the same so you don’t mess up your intervene macros if you do it that way. Comes in handy if you pug a lot or play hybrid classes etc

[wheat crane]

Wait what

Like it always puts a healer or something as party 1?

[mild thunder]

Yessir, you can play around with it a bit

But yea I’ve never had intervene macro issues or anything once I started using it

[hasty crane]

Are warriors the squishiest class now in PvP?

I just see them get blown up in seconds sadly

[nimble jasper]

that would be WWs

[elder wigeon]

warrior isn't very tanky anymore

it's far from the squishiest but it also doesn't have a lot of ways to mitigate damage

[lofty lily]

Can make it work quite well in rbgs. and 3v3, useless in 2s

[dense vector]

what do you mean, what changed?

[sharp meteor]

Most things do.

[trail palm]

Is Fury looking like it's still the go-to for Season 4 for 2's arena, or is Arms comparable?

[spice hornet]

Furry

[sharp meteor]

owo -rampages u-

[elder wigeon]

arms got no changes same with fury, unlucky arms will change

[nimble jasper]

warrior 2s in general rough

unless you q low enough where healers tank a full conq banner

[sharp meteor]

warr in 2s feels fine into everything except rogue at least at most mmrs

well fury in particular i haven't touched arms in a hot minute

class feels less fun the closer you get to elite and then of course beyond

where rogue just takes your lunch money

[fickle forge]

More like, it ensures whoever is at the top of your party frames is actually party1, and not randomized

[tulip sail]

i want to set up my warr for next season, any chance the leggo is gonna change or i should be fine with tormented?

[elder wigeon]

changes are already out, tormented is still the best dps option

[sharp meteor]

Signet is great for Kyrian or Necro Fury.

[high kindle]

@tulip sail even if they change, it is dirt cheap just to craft a new one

[tulip sail]

cheers

@high kindle dirt cheap? 30k is a ton of gold for me

[raw summit]

30k is doing callings for like 5 days

[high kindle]

thats what I meant too

[tulip sail]

i dont like farming gold or do callings

[raw summit]

then farm gold irl and buy a token

[high kindle]

You do you man, but 30k in current wow is not that much

[raw summit]

[tulip sail]

i asked for leggo advice not gold farming 👉 👈

[raw summit]

well i didnt read that

[warped warren]

i cant read

[hasty crane]

What does the elite set look like for season 4? It's just a different color or something right?

[sharp meteor]

It's the same.

[hasty crane]

[wheat crane]

Ahh thats nice

[eager oracle]

Is there a rough guide on basic talent setup into specific classes? I think I asked this earlier but got lost in the messages. If anyone has one and they could reply to this so I get the ping and can check after work that would be dope 🙂 newish to fury but prolly swapping to it next szn from my DK. A lot of experience as arms but that seems like it died out

[elfin surge]

[shut barn]

spam 123

i guess

[wheat crane]

You mean like pvp talents?

Fury doesnt have as much as arms

Cant pick warbanner duel things like that for rmp

[spice hornet]

When are you going to stream more rouge gameplay?

ReLly like seeing you on outlaw

[full quiver]

Don't support him playing rogue smh

[wheat crane]

^

[eager oracle]

Pvp talents, mainly what to swap out when you want disarm and when you go storm bolt over double charge

I assume you go storm bolt in comps where you have to kill them in a stun or it’s gg? Like feral

[spice hornet]

Zug

[fickle forge]

Prio #1 is uptime, so if you can't stick then go DT

[eager oracle]

Got yah Ty, if you need to run disarm what pvp talent do you normally swap out?

[fickle forge]

Doesn't matter too much as long as you keep slaughter and can ensure 100% enrage uptime

[eager oracle]

Looks like these are the ones people normally log out in

Got yah, just keep slaughter

Also it looks like most take storm bolt idk what I looked at that was showing DT

[warm urchin]

I like DT into locks

Other than that almost always bolt or victory

Kitty is also fun DT so you dont feel useless half the game

[lean burrow]

so you play stun into hunters?

how do you catch them then? stun on cheetah/master's call?

[elder wigeon]

you can do that

[lean burrow]

idk how to play with stun, I can stun in the beginning before I burst, but after that I just throw stun on their healer every 30 sec

elp

[sharp meteor]

double time into hunters in 2s feels nice

also doesn't feel bad in turb

[sharp meteor]

also yeah never charge into freedom as no root is death

so bolt to secure your damage, your teammates damage, and/or negate their freedom/disengage is dece

[lean burrow]

thanks

[lean burrow]

what's "dece"?

"decent"?

decen't

[nimble jasper]

decent

best thing is killing hunters who still have trinket and turtle

cuz they didnt expect getting chunked for half their hp in 2 secs

[sharp meteor]

decent've'st

[sharp meteor]

ya they delicate

[marble scaffold]

Which pvp talent is switched out for disarm?
And which classes are good to take disarm into?
I figured MM, wars, rogues and dk

as fury

[obsidian loom]

the weekly box will be based off season 3 right?

for tomorrow?

[lucid walrus]

yeah it will be

[knotty goblet]

hi guys will you be keeping the crafted 262 speed ring next season? or sacrifice the speed for more stats?

[full quiver]

Probably sacc

[elder wigeon]

50 more ilvl is a big diff in stats

[slim glacier]

Heh, doing some Solo Shuffles and it was won by a Feral Affinity Guardian Druid one-shotting people with Convoke. Pretty funny (I guess).

[elder wigeon]

sounds reasonable

[spice hornet]

why do people have to put flags and tbasg in shit

in like normal matches

so cringe man

[elder wigeon]

can't let it bother you or they win lmao

same shit as tbag in halo 3

[indigo barn]

I was tbagged by my team more in halo 3 and reach than my enemies

And it's always the cringe low geared BG hero Andy's that do it

[plucky sapphire]

Like flag of ownership? What good is it to have if you don't have it in your execute macro

[elder wigeon]

lmao

[slim glacier]

Thoughts on the most fun double DPS partner for Fury? Ret, WW, DH?

[elder wigeon]

feral fury

you need feral or ret for double dps, and feral offers significantly more support than ret

[flat tide]

Anyone know what conquest cap starts at for first week of a new season?

[indigo barn]

Gonna be like, 2k

[sharp meteor]

Could be 1100 or 2200, ig

I was just assuming 1100

[simple rock]

why even have caps in this barebones season

so people aren't op in pve?

[elder wigeon]

yup

season 1 was a hellacious nightmare

except pve had a massive advantage in pvp as well

IE trill being 20ilvl higher while WW was beyond broken with bugs and 1 tapping 2+ people in 1 second

[simple rock]

yeah s1 had massive pvp participation

for the wrong reasons though

[elder wigeon]

yup

but also raiders had a disgusting advantage for 5 ish weeks

pvp offered a guaranteed way to get a "bis" weapon for pvers

[full quiver]

Yeah definitely won't happen again this season

🤡

[sharp meteor]

i mean most people who spam pve won't also be spamming pvp

[simple rock]

really over the weekly vault treadmill

[sharp meteor]

worst case scenario sometimes you get snapped in half by some neckbeard

then get bis a few weeks later when stuff is more inflated and generally easier to push

[simple rock]

still gonna be a pretty long season so def worth just waiting

unless you really enjoy current gameplay

[elder wigeon]

depends on if they delay dragonflight or not, at most, it's a 5 month season

20 week season is not exactly long

18 weeks I think technically if there's a 2 week pre-patch and it comes out on the 31st

[simple rock]

still too long for a season devoid of content

and most likely only the one round of pvp balance that we got

[spice hornet]

[simple rock]

[spice hornet]

so tired of demo

[lucid walrus]

probably wouldn't even play the season tomorrow if not for this being my favorite tabard color

[nimble jasper]

@sharp meteor i feel trill is a huge outlier

in the sense hes good at both

[sharp meteor]

Yeah he's the one that usually stands out

[nimble jasper]

most are at best

2k players

hence sticking to rbgs

[lucid walrus]

season ending already was apparently a bug

[nimble jasper]

for tbc

not retail

[lucid walrus]

ah

just played a game of telephone w/ this vc whoops

[sharp meteor]

No, they said it'd end at this time a month ago.

[lucid walrus]

yeah i recall now

just heard some copium abt it

[warped warren]

good old times

legit had my elite wep in pve for so long til i finally got a wep token

[fickle forge]

<@&257983573498265600>

[elder wigeon]

guy posted in every channel

there we go

[frigid maple]

hey guys
is chains of domination work keeping?
got soleah blood scale and overwheling power crystal
but not got a normal raid chains

wondering if got use for pvp

[elder wigeon]

No use pvp trinkets

way way too much dmg and health to lose

[frigid maple]

oh oke thanks

[elfin surge]

we good

[indigo barn]

What are the new PvP ilvl ranges?

Real thought if jaithys will be needed as fury benefits stupidly from jaithys OH

[lone rampart]

Apparently

[ancient sonnet]

Elite is also 311 in pvp iirc

And it's 285 for max honor gear

[full quiver]

Me season 1

Lol

[warped warren]

me ssn 3

☕

[obsidian loom]

Pvp gets shady text documents passed around for updates

And word of mouth for season close/starts

[lean burrow]

share

[obsidian loom]

Ask realz in the rogue discord

No dev wants to talk to you degen regulars

[bright imp]

Out of curiousity how come the #268491842637660160 mentions Arms for pvp, when majority plays Fury? is it just outdated?

[raw summit]

ye

well parts of it is outdated

[bright imp]

I see, thanks!

[wheat crane]

To be fair this discord is at least comical in its degeneracy

[obsidian loom]

[lean burrow]

rogue mains != degens?

[obsidian loom]

They've ascended degenerate status

They are the progenitors

Speaking of degen, I hope you're all ready for demo/afflock spell cleaves

[nimble jasper]

real degens are people that play upright orcs

[obsidian loom]

Says the guy with an anime av

[full quiver]

Lmao

Mich you just got blasted

Out of nowhere

[raw summit]

thats what he gets for reposting the pic that i stole from somewhere else

😡

[wheat crane]

lmfao

[karmic meteor]

anyone playing arms at 2000+ ?

[sharp meteor]

ya it sucks roll fury

[nimble jasper]

tbh

orc needs a hard nerf

true or true

[sharp meteor]

so issue with nerfing orc

is that bis insta becomes alliance

[obsidian loom]

They should remove racial abilities in pvp sorry not sorry

[ancient sonnet]

^

[nimble jasper]

remove orc and human

rest are fine

[elfin surge]

pvp season start today?

[ancient sonnet]

yessir

[elfin surge]

wacko

[cinder gulch]

EU RBG Fury Warrior

https://youtu.be/7fNDOXim3Dc

[karmic meteor]

man i really wish arms would be in a better spot its literally the only spec i can think of that goes full vers crit in pvp

[ancient sonnet]

Mmarkers one shot disc priest gears crit/vers if that helps ya 🙂

[nimble jasper]

why does this detail matter tho

[full quiver]

LOL

[sharp meteor]

full crit arms feels bad

[ancient sonnet]

Don't most arms stack haste also?

[spice hornet]

Will you be playing prot again this season!

[ancient sonnet]

Outlaw I heard

[wheat crane]

I mean you wouldnt need to be orc is stuns were capped at like 4 seconds

0 reason a kidney shot should be 6-7 seconds

[nimble jasper]

nah even a 4sec stun

orc would be bis

[wheat crane]

It would but theres a huge difference from getting out a global early vs multiple globals

[nimble jasper]

you mean 1 vs 2 globals

7sec kidney is an oversight psure

[wheat crane]

And if this dumb evoker skill goes through

[nimble jasper]

considering it was capped to 6 in wod

[wheat crane]

And youre looking at 10 second kidneys lol

[ancient sonnet]

Thought there was a dev note saying that Kidney will be capped at 5 and won't be affected by Deeper Strat

[wheat crane]

That sounds wonderful

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, something like that. He's over in the rogue cord.

[wheat crane]

Wow

Rogues even get a dev in their discord

WHERES OURS?

[full quiver]

Liar

There was nothing better than getting pi, and kyrian linked, during your necro banner avatar warbreaker go

As a full crit Chad warrior

[spice hornet]

should join the rogue discord and just subtlety troll the dev all day

[wheat jay]

Wack

Being dependant on others

[full quiver]

you aren't

but critting for like 55k+

was fun

[wheat jay]

Id you needed pi and kyrian link

[full quiver]

lol

[wheat jay]

Then you were

[full quiver]

didn't NEED

it just felt GOOOD

[wheat jay]

Gay

Id rather do my dmg myself

[full quiver]

u don't even play anymore

ur basically the walmart version of calibri now

smh

[wheat jay]

I do

I am subbed

I kinda cba pushing rating tho xD

[full quiver]

survival is so fun rnow tho

[wheat jay]

No its no

[full quiver]

finding feral is lame though

[wheat jay]

Its worse than last season

[full quiver]

it fuckin blasts

[wheat jay]

Ye it does dmg

[full quiver]

there's no way it's worse than last season lol

with flat bomb damage buff

[wheat jay]

But last season was more fun

[wheat crane]

Last time i played surv in sl there was 657 rotational abilities

Then you plsy bm and theres 3

[wheat jay]

That's why survi is fun

Need more buttons

More options

More situational spells

[wheat crane]

More buttons for utility and shit is great

But like do you really need 7 builders that all do basically the same damn thing

[wheat jay]

Yes

[wheat crane]

Alright

Sounds good to me

[wheat jay]

[full quiver]

wait

wait

did they show us the new mount yet??

like season starts today

and we don't know what it looks like?

[wheat crane]

Wasnt it poop colored

[full quiver]

they said they were changing it

[wheat crane]

Which is by far the best variant

[full quiver]

imagine white with red eyes

with same aesthetic

[wheat jay]

If its white/neon pink I'll play

[full quiver]

would look so fucking sick

yeah i want that too

lol

[wheat crane]

Diarrhea brown bis

[full quiver]

i will queue lfg every day to get it

if it's pink/white

[wheat jay]

Same

[wheat crane]

You would weeb

[wheat jay]

Id blast games 24/7

Until i got it

[full quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-discord-mod-moderator-gaming-fat-gif-23305046

[wheat jay]

Id force Kargish to play fury

[full quiver]

"GOING FOR TRAP NOW"

[wheat jay]

And he would

https://c.tenor.com/kq7GyBPPIj0AAAAM/sweaty-speedrunner.gif

[full quiver]

i swear for KFC u need to be MM

so that you're the KT every game

and warrior doesn't fall over lol

[wheat jay]

No fuck you

[full quiver]

and then war needs to be kyrian

to set you up for dam / peel

[wheat jay]

I'll be survi

And pump

[full quiver]

raptor strike manggg

had a game vs another survival yesterday on that push artji

i had 53 raptor strikes

he had 23

lol

[wheat crane]

Oh shit surv is just all in on bomb talents now?

[wheat jay]

Lmaoooo

[wheat crane]

Im in

[full quiver]

killed his pet 2x

😏

[wheat jay]

Raptor strike is the best

WHERE IS MELEESETPENT STING

[full quiver]

i swear if u keep serpent sting AND flayed shot on pet

and then stack

the pet just falls over so easy

oh you pet sacc'd the go? just put dam on pet

now u gotta turtle lol

[wheat crane]

600iq

[near delta]

Pretty sure that was fake lol

[full quiver]

is fake?

fuck

lol

[wheat crane]

Ypu will grind for your mudbutt colored mount and like it

[full quiver]

Motivation went from 10 to 1

[merry ocean]

will there be a new elite transmog for season 4?

[sage raptor]

No

Take nap

When wake up, prepatch will be out.

Baby season

[sharp meteor]

Yeah.

[sharp meteor]

1800 sets are the same, 2100 sets are swapped.

[warped warren]

the colors dont match btw

[full quiver]

Yeah which is sus

Give me purple dragon lol

[elfin surge]

lol baited by nalia

[full quiver]

i literally resubbed thinking it was going to be a good mount

[elfin surge]

ur stuck rival keep dreaming kid 😎

[fickle forge]

Gottem

[paper oracle]

we should be nice to the cannon fodder in the 1800 to 2100 bracket. otherwise i turn into cannon fodder for mud

[spice hornet]

We good?

[full quiver]

fake news

[spice hornet]

@full quiver ignore that Mud guy he plays prot

And outlaw rouge

[full quiver]

lol

and bm hunter smh

[fickle forge]

📠

[full quiver]

@elfin surge

hard stuck duelist smh

[full quiver]

might look cool in game

[wheat jay]

and then he learned he can buy r1

[wheat crane]

Looking like the toilet after some penne alla vodka

[wheat jay]

ez

[sharp meteor]

It'd look cooler if they redid the wings fo reach dragon.

Right now they all use the black sinful smoke.

[hasty crane]

Man I hope dragonflight PVP will be good. It's finally the first time since legion we won't have a hundred different systems and procs from those systems.

[elder mulch]

its literally all just in the talent trees

its the same shit

just repackaged

[hasty crane]

not all or as many

[elder mulch]

mostly worse

[fickle forge]

Talents are definitely not the same as borrowed power systems

That's some high tier copium

[elder mulch]

everything in this game is borrowed power

tier sets

weapons

trinkets

[fickle forge]

Bruh

Are you really just complaining that an RPG is designed to be an RPG?

[full quiver]

karg stfu

don't you dare talk to ratgod like that

[fickle forge]

I'll obey you, Americangodx

[full quiver]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqrRSSFlecw&ab_channel=Ratgodmiley

u should sub his youtube channel too

[full kiln]

western europe in a nutshell haha

[fickle forge]

The fact that you knew a 2 sub YT channel existed

[full quiver]

you're not familiar with ratgods work?

he's a very innovative player

super informative guides

@elder mulch

r u working on ur s4 guide?

[fickle forge]

Can we talk about how the last video was posted 5 months ago and called The Return of Ratgodmiley?

[hexed ermine]

i know fury goes heavy haste but we want some mastery as well right? any number yall aim for?

[elder mulch]

New S4 guides soon

[full quiver]

😂

[raw summit]

poor dragon

[obsidian loom]

Did they forget to reset MMR

If so I need to log asap

[full quiver]

LOL

[spice hornet]

the sweatiest of sweat lords qing 2s rn around 2100 mmr

[wheat crane]

Blizzard you fucks

[spice hornet]

so far its been all hunters

[wheat crane]

Make a god damn 2h off hand

I gotta buy 2 full priced honor weapons ffs

[spice hornet]

kill my healer in the spider sting

100-0

2 abilities

[lean burrow]

clearly it's just skill

[wheat crane]

Tell your healer to hit the gym once in awhile

[full quiver]

lol

imagine ur healer not playing revive into MM

smh

[spice hornet]

lol my priest doesnt play holy

dude has b een disc all of slands

[full quiver]

damn

that's through the 30% disc wall then

LOL

[obsidian loom]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-gif-21913959

[sage raptor]

My one and only thought about S4 is "hey my alts have max conduits now"

[lean burrow]

10k cosmic flux per alt

oof

[flat tide]

Warrior talents confirmed for today!

[full quiver]

should be 10k once

and then 1-2k per after

or something lol

[nimble jasper]

10k flux isnt alot

[full quiver]

it's not if you're actively doing pve content

but you make a fresh char and need the flux for leggo x 2, 4pc tier

and now 10k more for conduits

pretty aids

[nimble jasper]

flux can be sent to alts now tho

[wheat crane]

10k? ffs

[craggy socket]

Warrior talents dropping

For DF

[spice hornet]

aff buffs were a bitch much :/ already running into streamers running double aff

[obsidian loom]

I can't wait to get absolutely deleted by chain chaos bolts

I'm going to run mass spell reflect

[spice hornet]

double aff

[obsidian loom]

Is the 300% bonus damage still active in pvp

For mass spell reflect

[lucid walrus]

man i hate when aff chaos bolts me :/

[obsidian loom]

Oh shit lmao

What is destro

Never mind

Fuck locks

[south birch]

double time + bolt boys

finally

[sage raptor]

B)

@elder wigeon it has arrived

[elder wigeon]

No fuckin way

[sage raptor]

I TOLD YOU IT WOULD COME

[elder wigeon]

I hope it’s real

[sage raptor]

Thunderclap too but Shockwave is way cooler

It's real

Spear and condemn come back too

[near delta]

Unhinged is a talent now. Huhh

[spice hornet]

2 sec stun KEKW

[sage raptor]

It's not about how long it's how you use it

[spice hornet]

i wish @elfin surge thought the same way when we went to bed together...

[craggy socket]

Warrior talents look pretty sweet

[tired portal]

yeh wowhead is showing some of the tree

[craggy socket]

Watching Bajheera looking at it now looks pretty dope ngl

man, the warrior trees look sweet!!

[sharp meteor]

Oh, Elysian is in the tree.

[elfin surge]

Shockwave is trash

[scarlet barn]

🙂

[elfin surge]

2 second stun ?? thats useless in pvp vs orcs

[wheat crane]

Could be a psuedo interrupt

Bolt healer shockwave the chaosbolt

[obsidian loom]

this tree is fucking stacked holy shit

[lean burrow]

kyrian phial?

[steep inlet]

hmm

we have to choose between bladestorm and warbreaker now

but overall

it rocks

[tired portal]

so shattering throw wont remove immunities anymore?

[round yoke]

enraged regen and parry for fury

[sage raptor]

Where's storm bolt?

[round yoke]

4th row in left tree

[high kindle]

arms tree looks stacked AF, if dmg is there, warriors gonna dominate

[sage raptor]

Ty

[simple rock]

bugged tooltip atm but maybe team wide zerker rage?

[high kindle]

that would be a bit too good

but who knows

tremor for warriors

[obsidian loom]

👀

[simple rock]

well it's still one button I imagine so you use your own cd

[lean burrow]

doesn't that look like ass?

5% damage every 30 sec

not guaranteed

[lucid walrus]

i mean you can get kick to 12s cd

[amber kernel]

Fury Warrior Talent tree stacked as hell for PvP, Fury just got pretty much the complete Arms Defensive Kit while mantaining everything it had damage wise (Aside from Bladestorm) in SL plus 15% free leech lol
Fury with Defence Stance, Die by the Sword, Pain and Gain, Enraged Regeneration (Which now also instantly heal for 20%), Bitter End (Another 20% Heal), Reinforced Plate, Gushing Wound and 15% Leech... Good luck in killing it

[sand shadow]

Bitter End is a bit awkwardly positioned in the tree though. Not to mention is kind of meh for a 3min CD

[simple rock]

i will simply ms + execute fury warriors for 70% of their hp with my skull banner and exploiter

[sand shadow]

can't wait for this to do oblivion dmg

[sage raptor]

When world's collide

[sand shadow]

I've been whining about our 2nd row being so stacked w/ beautiful stuff for so long and now they just give us all three, DT + Impending + Bolt xD

wtf is this

[simple rock]

filler talents

[sand shadow]

I mean I get it

[amber kernel]

It's just bloat talent because the tree is so full of good stuff that you can't literally go wrong with anything lol

[sand shadow]

but 2%???????????

😄

[simple rock]

hope they're just placeholders

pally had like 2% haste

lol

[sand shadow]

tree looking Poggers overall tho

[amber kernel]

I think it overthroned the Enhancement Shaman as the best Talent Tree

[sand shadow]

I like what I am seeing, altho you can't be sure how good it will be at this point

[sharp meteor]

It could be 2% or 7% just placeholder value

[sand shadow]

these new talent trees do seem like they'll be adding a whole new power level to specs

Most classes get so, so, so much more than SL

[simple rock]

don't like how much they're pushing whirlwind talents in arms

[sand shadow]

this will be the new cheese spec if left like this, tho, calling it now ;D

you don't spec SD or Condemn or anything that will make Execute useable often, just Massacre

and farm fatality procs

or mb you do spec SD but don't use it before stacks in order to execute someone for one quadrilion

[sage raptor]

There's my necrotic plague

Pair that with that other talent and there you go

[simple rock]

bleed build?

[sage raptor]

That's it

Warrior stole DKs necrotic plague and turned it into a bleed lol

[sand shadow]

yes, and thank god for that; I do spend every day wishing we're back to BFA-style bleed bots

Nothing scratches that RP itch like playing w/ gigantic two handed weapons that bleed people instead of bludgeoning them to death

[wheat crane]

Apparently if you swap covenants you get free full 278 conduits

[sand shadow]

yeh condis are freebies in S4

[wheat crane]

Can ypu swap back right away nowadays?

[sand shadow]

you just buy em, no longer need for an achi

@wheat crane Yeah

[near delta]

Do they not cost 10k Flux or whatever

[sand shadow]

We've been able to freely swap covenants for a while now

@near delta ah, I think some flux yea

still, kind of free compared to before

w/ Flux being acc-wide tradeable

[wheat crane]

I dont have the flux so well see

[sage raptor]

Should've been like this when 9.2 dropped.

[obsidian loom]

This secures kills on heals I feel

[sage raptor]

Hit glad and your reward is 278 conduits lmaoo what a joke.

[obsidian loom]

Spam execute

[near delta]

Tradeable if you grind the rep lol

Only got honored on my main and none of my alts

[wheat crane]

didnt remotely work lol

[sand shadow]

could be, never had to use it; did the rep what feels like ages ago anyway

regardless, 278 condis for 10k Flux is far more accessible by the average player than having to get 2.4 etc

and those are a significant power increase, so it's an overall improvement

[near delta]

Yeah fs

[low cobalt]

how are people liking the arms tree?

[elfin surge]

https://www.wowhead.com/beta/talent-calc/warrior/arms/BPEFRVVVEFEVGkFQECAAPVUVWUhGAQEKBQEQBQ

[obsidian loom]

Mud has spoken

And ye shall heed

[low cobalt]

is the tree testable on alpha already?

[sand shadow]

or (only changed left side) https://www.wowhead.com/beta/talent-calc/warrior/arms/BPEFRVVVEBEFGoFEFDAAAPVUVWUhGAQEKBQEQBQ

wait, shockwave is just 2sec

ehhh

[deep valley]

What Rep is required to purchase the 278 conduits?

[sand shadow]

no rep req @deep valley

[deep valley]

Beast thank you @sand shadow

[sand shadow]

am I getting a brain hemorrhage or wasn't 278condis a 2.4k req before? Why tf do they say Duelist o_O

[deep valley]

^ That's what I thought =/

[sand shadow]

it was Elite yeah, pepega devs

[raw summit]

they dropped that now

[sharp meteor]

Yep, it was 2400 for all of last season.

[raw summit]

costs 10k flux

[sand shadow]

Wait, so as Fury you can get Impending Victory, ER that lasts 25% longer and insta heals for 20%, D-stance, Warpaint, 5% Leech AND parry

[raw summit]

(tbh would rather do 3k in m+ again)

[sharp meteor]

Zug zug 🪓

[raw summit]

i think that dwarf racial thing there

is pretty fucking inzane

[sand shadow]

Oh, and 5% leech

[nocturne flare]

You can also get 10% leech if you use 1 hand weapon

[amber kernel]

15% leech, with one-handed specialization

[sharp meteor]

Look at me, I'm the Demon Hunter now

[amber kernel]

It's literally Survive-Lord, probably the class with highest survivability after druid lol

[sand shadow]

which talent is that, im spacing out

[amber kernel]

One-Handed Specialization in the center of the class tree

[sand shadow]

ah found it

jesus xd

[nocturne flare]

Yes this 1

[sand shadow]

the center has some pretty poopy stuff to get to it tho

[amber kernel]

The Rage generation with autoattack is decent, the one after is useless

[sand shadow]

they give us TC, but it's scuffed TClap

wtb OG style TC w/ at least auto attack slow

and it costs 25 rage yikes

[amber kernel]

I'm pretty happy with fury status in pvp

[indigo barn]

Some TC/WW aoe one shot build?

[amber kernel]

Arms will probably now deal more damage, but fury is also stacked and immortal lol

[indigo barn]

Both specs are stacked

So much choice

Can build against every comp

[sand shadow]

We'll see how immortal it is. Frankly, all the talent trees so far (save for magus, YIKERS) look to be insane

Looks like all classes/specs will be on a completely different power level from now

[indigo barn]

Mages in the bin?

Dragonflight bis?

[sand shadow]

Impossible to make predictions

[nocturne flare]

Fury is fucking op more op than arms

[amber kernel]

I mean, on paper is literally the class with more survivability... So if it's not immortal is still the tankiest

[sand shadow]

I mean, Fire had its DB nerfed to oblivion, and believe it or not, DB at 18s is currently one of few crutches

[nocturne flare]

Fury now can have def stance

[sand shadow]

w/o 18s DB, Fire will be poopy AF imo

[amber kernel]

We also get for free No Pain No gain and Reinforced Plate, which also boost survivability

[sand shadow]

10% stam too

[nocturne flare]

Dont forget 15% leech and gushing wounds

[sand shadow]

thats always bidge

[indigo barn]

Fuck me prot.looks like cancer to fight against

[amber kernel]

With Def Stance, Warpaint and Gushing Wound it would be fun to see

[indigo barn]

2 4 second stuns

Outburst

A cheat death

Big dam

[sand shadow]

😄

dafuq

[indigo barn]

Prot is looking like an outlaw rogue without stealth

[sand shadow]

too bad its 45s

excuse me wat

[indigo barn]

AOE 6 SECOND KICK

On prot

Aoe wall

[buoyant shale]

is ther an item where you can get max conduits? if so where do i get one?

[sand shadow]

prot gets suddent death lmao

[indigo barn]

No lie

I see prot being something broken

[sand shadow]

hahah

[sand shadow]

wait wheres that

ah challenging shout

meh, 2min cd

[buoyant shale]

@sand shadow thank you!

[nimble jasper]

@sand shadow

🙂

:)))

[full quiver]

Wtf

Where is this

[sand shadow]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/warlock-speculated-talent-tree-spells-in-dragonflight-alpha-build-44895-328145

here

[full quiver]

🤢

[sand shadow]

I mean idk, with everything looking so much more powerful, it makes sense for them to get more def I guess

my only real hope is that the tempo of arena goes back to something more reasonable, such as BFA S1

bursty, but not retarded

[full quiver]

I've only played slands

[sand shadow]

my SP friend got hit for 65k by a single RSK that proc'd Bonedust during Serenity

Guess he should've just dispersed ^_^

[full quiver]

Lol

Well yeah serenity is pretty all in

[sand shadow]

game before that, a sub rogue did me dirty w/ a dbl Evis + bomb for 65k~ in 0.1s

[nimble jasper]

psure i’ve seen bicmex

die through sac at 94%

in one kidney

[sand shadow]

yeah I remember that clip

Rat even posted it on Twitter

https://clips.twitch.tv/RacyPiliableAlfalfaJKanStyle-IFFalOlREqEAtmgq

found it

what a noob

[full quiver]

Outplayed

[sand shadow]

SL is by far the most retarded PvP expansion ever

[full quiver]

Lol

[sand shadow]

even fucking BFA made more sense, toxic and damp as it was on the whole

[full quiver]

Lol

[sand shadow]

wish I had kept track of how many games I've lost because I was on GCD so couldn't Rally

[full quiver]

Is damp fun though

[sand shadow]

that's w/ 0.9s GCDs

No, damp is terrible too. Just a different type of terrible

BFA S1 was very nicely paced tho

once they fixed triple stacking a few outlier azerite powers

I remember sub rogues could triple stack an azi power for their fan of knives that would literally one shot you xD

like, literally 100-0%

[full quiver]

Lol

Par for the course