why not lol
#pvp
sharp meteor
it feels like a better generalist pick than celestial tbh
at least if you're the kill target
simple rock
most r1 players are still using celestial
there are some fringe cases where youd want vigor
but the uptime isn't too great
no guarantee it'll be proccing during their goes
lucid walrus
3.36% bloodthirst heal before MS 
simple rock
awc is a different game compared to ladder
warped warren
no guarantee it'll be proccing during their goes
it has wicked uptime
lucid walrus
would be tempted to try it out if i could play rn honestly
doubt it’s a huge diff but healers prob grateful
sharp meteor
awc is a different game compared to ladder
yeah u waant 1-2% more dmg or take 12% more healing hm
lean burrow
i wish blizzard was reasonable and transfered transmog between EU-US accounts
there's gonna be nothing better than season 1 plate set
steep inlet
which one
fickle forge
Hehe eksdee
fickle forge
PvP is fine
warped warren
oof
thorny field
fury or arms for pvp
stuck karma
Fury, just zugzug
thorny field
ty
spice hornet
I have a rogue and sometimes I’d feel like my one shot would occasionally be wayyyy better than other one shots
Or if it happened to me
near delta
I have a rogue and sometimes I’d feel like my one shot would occasionally be way...
Yeah there's been times where I press my defensives and I'm fine and other times I'm just insta dead. That'd explain it
nimble jasper
good thing sub and outlaw
are both better specs
idk i’ve clowned every assa player its free win
full quiver
That makes more sense
Because I swear sometimes you'd just die Insta through everything lol
obsidian loom
30% wall :^)
near delta
@nimble jasper Finally broke out my ww, God this is not a fun meta for it.
near delta
Yeah I hit 1950 after a hundred or so games
nimble jasper
i just onetapped people
near delta
Just play like a filthy sub
hidden heath
If I'm trying to gear up should I use fury or arms, or do they preform the same with low ilvl?
near delta
If I'm trying to gear up should I use fury or arms, or do they preform the same ...
Fury is a lot easier
Arms is fun though and really good with an enh or ret in 3s. You should play whichever you like better.
near delta
i just onetapped people
Outlaw rogues just throw evasion amd trinket for nothing sometimes it's beautiful lol
nimble jasper
yeah idk
people dont smell the onetap coming
also average outlaw played cdr and did 0 dam
near delta
Really most of the outlaws I've run into do insane damm
I need to get blunderbuss on my alt
But I'd have to walk into torghast for that
nimble jasper
you can play
greenskins
imo its the best in 2s
trimaz says you only play cdr into other rogues
or ferals
near delta
Huh thanks for the tip
nimble jasper
the major downside to blunderbuss is the fact
the blunderbuss pistol shots dont bladeflurry
also just the fact you can really catch people pants down with 24k pistol shot crits
in resonator go
sage raptor
I don't like dudes so I never play cdr leggo on my outlaw.
Greenskin or die. A pirates life for me.
near delta
I would main outlaw if between the eyes actually used a musket
The pistol is immersion breaking
sage raptor
I only have greenskin. Greenskin or die.
nimble jasper
blunder is good in some
sage raptor
Outlaw is hella fun. I hate how everyone jumped on the meta train
sage raptor
Why would I play the vanish leggo? What do I need to vanish for? To sneak away to men? Seems pretty gay to me.
steep inlet
oh the new Outlaw discord is here
im joking I have a pirate alt btw
It’s close to Warrior in a way
sage raptor
I think it's what warrior wants to be tbh
spice hornet
Being seen alot of warriors QQing about rouges when warr had s1-s4 slands of being king, let rouge shine for once
sharp meteor
Being seen alot of warriors QQing about rouges when warr had s1-s4 slands of being king, let rouge shine for once
elder wigeon
if sub teams you can play orc sephuz
Sephuz doesn’t even make a dent
spice hornet
Whenever I play it into rmp my dmg just feels even worse
And yeah it feels like it doesn’t make any difference
sage raptor
Outlaw doesn't do the damage to justify using sephuz
sharp meteor
Sephuz makes their goes easier to scuff and gets you out of mini goes a bit sooner.
I do still kind of like signet for the storm on reck half the time, though.
wheat crane
Unhinged or bust
steel rune
the chances of a decent rogue mage letting you get a mirror reflect of that matters is so low with fireblast being off gcd. Sephuz makes it so they have to go you in a kidney shot so the flexibility of their goes is lower
fickle forge
oh the new Outlaw discord is here
steep inlet
😂
sharp meteor
I remember swapping to my Assa during BFA and it was like "hey this is like Arms except good"
elder wigeon
the chances of a decent rogue mage letting you get a mirror reflect of that matt...
weird that i reflect polys on hansol for my ret when we're crushing his priest
but yes fire mage has 10 safety nets to not get outplayed
steel rune
I dont know if you mass reflect him once and h;e falls for it again without just fireblasting for safety its probably because calm is talking at 1000 miles an hour
there is literally no downside to them just fireblasting as the cast finishes its toxic
elder wigeon
I like how you'd assume spell batching would reflect both but it doesn't
fireblast should only be castable when casting fire spells zzzz
sharp meteor
Can't be, it's missing a +4% bm buff
obsidian loom
I need an office space meme with holinka as the interviewee of the "so what is it that you'd say you do around here" scene
quartz lichen
Which covenant for fury?
sharp meteor
Kyrian or Necro
storm bay
anybody know where i can find a prot build for pvp?
steep inlet
went 2150 cr 2200 mmr with it this season
but pretty hard
Especially in a deflated one
sharp meteor
It just seems rough into anything magical, which is...most teams.
spice hornet
I stopped playing mirror because fire mages just fire blast at the .001 sec left of poly cast
sharp meteor
Probs fucks on pure physical stuff, though, like bm/warr or ww/warr
spice hornet
Legitimately unfair
sharp meteor
Yep
spice hornet
Should not be able to fire blast while casting polymorph
cinder gulch
fury RBG
https://youtu.be/i8WC5gWMjPc
steep inlet
Developers’ note: With the Paladin talent trees in Dragonflight, we wanted to embrace the class’ knight heritage and the full breadth of its group stewardship. In the class tree, Paladins will see your utility front-and-center, and whether you prefer the fantasy of the crusader or the guardian, we hope that new options such as Seal of the Templar, Recompense, and Afterimage will help you lean into your vision. Blessing of Spellwarding has additionally been made class-wide.
Omg
simple rock
https://media2.giphy.com/media/U1bCix41cllqYDdSFQ/200.gif
software development is unironically like office space sometimes, depending on what you do
some months you are bing chillin most days
and sometimes you have to stay for OT every day
steep inlet
Holy pal get kick too
fickle forge
shadowlands season 4 pvp balancing
fickle forge
Stop
simple rock
fickle forge
hasty crane
You guys all see the mass polymorph mages get in Dragonflight lol
RMP was already top tier and they make it even better
indigo barn
simple rock
You guys all see the mass polymorph mages get in Dragonflight lol
it's only 10yrds
so not completely broken
indigo barn
I think it's a trap with mass poly
You don't want everyone to be on poly dr at once
Maybe good in RBG but that's it
fickle forge
@steep inlet I won't lie bro, the old animations were pretty good, but these spell effects are pretty fat too
indigo barn
Designing a class around 1 2's comp 
simple rock
did holinka not comment on passive healing?
or was that just community feedback
don't remember
elder wigeon
indigo barn
Oh boy I love being able to do more damage to a mage who just fire lasted then poly'ed me
full quiver
Rancor seemed interesting
indigo barn
Also getting banner again
near delta
software development is unironically like office space sometimes, depending on w...
Tell me about it lol
I get to work on cool stuff but I have some friends living in CRUD hell
fickle forge
WW wet dream
indigo barn
full quiver
What big changes lol
fickle forge
Sry, Feint
full quiver
So now onstead of 30% perma wall its 20
Lol
Probably won't have as much cdr reset as they do now tho
full quiver
Lol
indigo barn
I'm looking at the pally tree and all I'm hearing is retwarr
near delta
Is there a faster way to get old nathria raid powers than waiting for an hour in lfg? lol
Well lfr
tired portal
looks like in DF spell reflect doesnt lose the damage reduction once a spell is reflected, it will last the whole 5 seconds even after reflecting a spell
full quiver
Neat
lucid walrus
deadass?
raw summit
yessir
full quiver
Does anyone know if weapons affect WW dam like warrior
Or if they're just stat sticks
nimble jasper
So now onstead of 30% perma wall its 20
also 23 vs melee
theres a talent on rogue tree for 3% physical dr
nimble jasper
you gotta run alot
full quiver
I just feel like my goes suck
full quiver
But that might be playing with 0cr gear at 1900 lol
And keefers helm was broken for like 10 games
simple rock
main mistake I see low mmr wws make is bonedust then wait 2 globals before sweeping
really easy to kite
full quiver
I think it's fuxking my go
nimble jasper
sometimes i have it on go if they die opener
full quiver
Cause I don't get fof off quick enough lol
nimble jasper
you want 5 chi before go
ideally
big thing is you just cant tiger palm your kill target
before go
near delta
ww is the most fun spec to kite as
It's fun af lol
Port, dragon away
Rop em off
Disarm
sage raptor
Delete drakthyr plz
simple rock
furry memes aside they're the most interesting thing to happen in retail for years
alongside talent revamps
lucid walrus
race-locked class is interesting
elder wigeon
not too different from demon hunter
lucid walrus
suppose not but at least that's 2 races
steep inlet
Was the best fury spell ever
nimble jasper
does every ww still wait for a proc before go?
generally good ones do
steep inlet
NEW Spell Reflection Causes an enemy to take 20% increased Physical damage for 5 sec.
elder wigeon
NEW Spell Reflection Causes an enemy to take 20% increased Physical damage for ...
nice now it'll be easier to kill a single wild imp
indigo barn
It deserved it
rugged rune
Arms or Fury for turbo cleave
elder wigeon
Fury
elder wigeon
that doesn't mean you should play arms though
if you wanna, go for it, but fury is better
brave halo
how are people experiencing kyrian fury vs cookycutter?
indigo barn
Some matchups it feels really good playing spear
Others it's just a kys moment
In lower MMR it has the benefit of making people waste things like gateway and fade for the simple reason that blue line is spooky
fluid surge
What soulbind ect does kyrian play someone got a screenshot? ^^
brave halo
Some matchups it feels really good playing spear
in mirror isnt it nice? a x second cc during conq?
warped warren
i love spear into necro warriors 
undone pumice
how are people experiencing kyrian fury vs cookycutter?
cockcutter
sharp meteor
i love spear into necro warriors <a:catjamhypers:745409048626856036>
Yeah, one of the few things that can't bug out of it.
sharp meteor
how are people experiencing kyrian fury vs cookycutter?
What
sharp meteor
Kyrian is fine/good for Fury.
thick reef
Is getting duelist within the next week realistic for someone who is current and has only ever been 1800? Really would like to get the dk off pieces
wary heart
Is getting duelist within the next week realistic for someone who is current and...
the hardest part of getting cr this week is lfg, participation is so low its very hard to find a group
unless you got a team already
also, fury isnt the preferred melee, everyone wants a DK
storm bay
do you guys rampage before you pop cds?
nimble jasper
also, fury isnt the preferred melee, everyone wants a DK
its good in 2s
which is what im assuming hes playing
sharp meteor
Is getting duelist within the next week realistic for someone who is current and...
Sure, although waiting until the literal final week is kind of sus.
also DK pieces can be grabbed next season
lean burrow
Is getting duelist within the next week realistic for someone who is current and...
duelist from rival is just a lucky winstreak away
you can do it
fickle forge
Is getting duelist within the next week realistic for someone who is current and...
I would say probably not, unless you're a prodigy
But don't let that stop you from trying, see how far you can get and then hit 2.1k next season if you don't make it this time
wheat crane
can u mail shit cross faction?
raw summit
Ye
sharp meteor
I shot like 100k to my Dark Iron on the same realm as my Orcs.
You're just boned if they're on different realms.
spice hornet
Being seen
lean burrow
alot of warriors
storm bay
for thundercleave should i bolt kill target or heal?
obsidian loom
Depends on what your partner is doing
I usually have the ele stun kill target and I bolt/fear healer
It's sometimes hard for the ele to get into vision of the healer but as a melee on a kill target being actively healed you should be in los of the enemy healer
That said, a good ele will be hexing healer too if possible but the non kill target DPS failing that
I've had too many LFG eles just roll cast meatballs and either die because they didn't bind their defensive or fail to close a kill since they didn't get a lucky meatball proc and didn't bind a cc button
karmic meteor
guys i havent played my warri in shadowlands yet .. so my question is : can incarnation druid walk trough spear of bastion?
lucid walrus
bear druid might be able to with incarn leggo, not so sure
what i do know is wild charge can unfortunately bug it out if they get the timing right
spice hornet
guys i havent played my warri in shadowlands yet .. so my question is : can inca...
You cannot spear incarn Druid if he’s wearing sleeper
amber fiber
Do we know if the Viscious War Croaker stays for season 4?
nimble jasper
prob not
minor vector
Get a zereth mortis dog next season
Croaker and the rest of the mounts prob put up for saddles in DF
amber fiber
thx
sage raptor
What do I buy with my next saddle?
I may buy the last skeletal warhorse. They're sick as fuuuuuck.
lucid walrus
raptor pretty sweet
sage raptor
Yeah the raptor is pretty cool
lucid walrus
clefthoof is gigantic on literally any race
minor vector
Trike is bis
wheat crane
Yhink i have like 10 saddles on one toon
Not sure wtf youre supposed to do with em when you own all the mounts
lucid walrus
wish you could cash em in
brave halo
Could reckless defensive be good with kyrian? try to line up recklessness + spear?
elder wigeon
nah play anger management
elder wigeon
yes
indigo barn
Just play with a Fae priest
sharp meteor
hm haven't tried AM with spear yet
sharp meteor
Not sure wtf youre supposed to do with em when you own all the mounts
Nothing, really. Unless you quit for a long time and come back to like 8 more on the vendor.
sharp meteor
That'd be neat. Or just marks of honor so I could buy more consumables/ensembles.
wheat crane
Right? At least let me hand them in for honor
sharp meteor
I think that the vast majority of people don't even have a vicious mount, or at least didn't used to.
People either fall into the camp of having all of them or none of them lel
also unreal how the mount from sl s1 is more owned than the wolf they added in cata LMAO
full quiver
That's how you know no dev seriously pvps
They'd deal with the 100 saddles they have lol
sharp meteor
I stopped getting them at some point, not sure when they made that change
indigo barn
Why buy the wolf when aotc garrosh gave it?
gilded flame
What's this from?
sharp meteor
What's this from?
Dataforazeroth
near delta
I stopped getting them at some point, not sure when they made that change
I stopped getting them s3
I'm assuming there's some cap I meet across all my toons
fathom dagger
does warrior have a high skill ceiling in pvp?
sharp meteor
Sure.
elder wigeon
not fury
sharp meteor
Arms requires a bit more game knowledge and finesse, ye.
Fury is just kind of like slam your 2 buttons into somebody.
low cobalt
Arms4lyfe
bitter falcon
Good morning! I wanted to ask what are the best slots for legendary items if i'm running Enduring Blow. Is it waist for that and ring for Unity?
near delta
arms is usually worse
I think he meant outside of this opposite day patch lol
Usually arms is much better in pvp
elder wigeon
well yeah
full quiver
Why is my monk disarm 30 yards???
And why have I only been using it like warrior disarm 😂
spice hornet
Warrior primitive class
spice hornet
Yes
elder wigeon
it's been this way for the entire season it is what it is
probably won't change with season 4, gotta get over it
full quiver
Just let ur sub exp like a man
elder wigeon
no point in bitching about something that won't change
deal with it or quit tbh
devs won't listen
there's no money in buffing d stance
sharp meteor
It's actually wild how little information there is about s4.
Expecting Surv/Destro keystone nerfs on Tuesday and that's it.
Another season of queuing into retwarr and dh/dk to get a washed out cosmic drake.
thick reef
It's actually wild how little information there is about s4.
just got a forum post regarding lots of shit
i only read pve stuff - not sure if any pertains to pvp
doesn’t seem like much pvp stuff
lucid walrus
nothin about it on there yea
rugged rune
Is honor gonna roll over into season 4 or are they wiping that
fickle forge
doesn’t seem like much pvp stuff
We'll probably get a bugfix to a demo pet doing lower damage than intended in November, don't worry
Blizz cares for PvP
indigo barn
Says patch notes soon
lean burrow
Hey, I don't play mage so i wouldn't know, can mages use blink while stunned?
Idk what it was, but I stormbolted a mage recently, and they just shook it off after 1 sec and blinked
"frees caster from stuns" in tooltip, but it sounds weird
nimble jasper
yes thats how base blink works
people have gotten so used to shimmer over the years
fickle forge
Hey, I don't play mage so i wouldn't know, can mages use blink while stunned?
Indeed
Either you hold stun till after he blinks, or you Double Time/stun something else
lean burrow
fickle forge
thick reef
Is the tier set bis for arms pvp? Or just farm the conq gear? Coming back from like 2 patches ago
elder wigeon
it's bis but I'd play fury
brave halo
Is the tier set bis for arms pvp? Or just farm the conq gear? Coming back from l...
u farm the conq gear anyway buddy, as you upgrade it into set
thick reef
Oh ok but the set gear is what I should aim for eh?
raw summit
285 
warped warren
full quiver
literally everything
Yeah that also seemed stupid lol
fresh kite
Been gone for about 2 months. S4 is fury gonna be legit still or do we have to go back to arms?
brave halo
With my friend priest, whats a solid comp to push glad with? Vanguard with priest work? Or other turbo? Or any other ideas that work nice with priest?
fresh kite
Been gone for about 2 months. S4 is fury gonna be legit still or do we have to g...
Bump
spice hornet
Nothing is really changing fury will still be good
fresh kite
How was fury been since hit with the nerf stick?
ancient sonnet
Still very strong. You're fine
sharp meteor
With my friend priest, whats a solid comp to push glad with? Vanguard with pries...
Vanguard is dk/ret
Also disc/warr/dk and just winning or losing in the opener or by second limb is pchill
sharp meteor
Imo ret/warr or turb are best warr comps but tsg is quickiest/easiest glad probably
brave halo
Yea but my friend is hpriest :)) so trying to find best fury/hpriest /x to start studying and practice
sharp meteor
i think i have seen almost every class played in that lineup even rogue
elder mulch
Mage players really having trouble coping with not being a god tier pure DPS class with the utility and self heals of a hybrid, with a toolkit and damage that consistently puts them in S tier for all content every patch. Mage players really are the whiniest group of players in world of Warcraft. Time to take a backseat for awhile and come down to Earth with the rest of us.
With that being said yeah probably need some changes to that base tree, damage tuning aside.
nimble jasper
did you forget
warlock players are a thing
claim made of paper if cant turret in mid
sharp meteor
Mage players are worse because they actually think that their class doesn't work if they can't 100-0 somebody in a dr'd kidney without bust.
nimble jasper
when i see a mage in lfg
specifically looking for sub rmp
knows they’re kinda bad
insta
sage raptor
Mage players really having trouble coping with not being a god tier pure DPS class with the utility and self heals of a hybrid, with a toolkit and damage that consistently puts them in S tier for all content every patch. Mage players really are the whiniest group of players in world of Warcraft. Time to take a backseat for awhile and come down to Earth with the rest of us.
With that being said yeah probably need some changes to that base tree, damage tuning aside.
brave halo
Someone being hacked? I see this mage message in 3 discords now 🙂
fickle forge
warlock players are a thing
I don't think you understand how hard it is to play Destruction Warlock. All this talk that we are "busted" and "constantly complaining for more buffs" just doesnt make sense. We are one of the few classes that FINALLY get to shine after all these years (looking at you MAGES ). Rotationally, its very complex for what we have to do to do "good" damage. Not only do we have to put Immolation on a lot of targets, we ALSO have to make sure our infernal AND our Rain of Fire is in the perfect location to do ANY damage. We lose everything if tanks move at all. Classes like Mage and Survival hunter don't have to worry about tanks being dumb like WE do. On top of all of this, the apm it takes to play Destruction is more than any other class has ever been. We are constantly getting FLOODED with shards and if we ever overcap, its gg (that means good game). When I'm playing destruction, I'm never not pressing a button while mages get to sit there and hard cast Pyroblast (3 [three] second cast btw [by the way]). I'd like to see other people even try and compete with me as a Destruction Warlock because they would crumble under the weight of all the responsibility, apm, and mental pressure it takes to pull off what I can do. Whatever, I'm out, I gotta go do some high keys now, pushing for that 2k (2,000 [two thousand]) rating, later nerds.
nimble jasper
old pasta
fickle forge
Pastas never die
nimble jasper
fickle forge
God where's that clip of some guy turning his mage partner's volume down to 0% for 10 sec before turning it back up and saying "Yeah I agree"
wheat crane
In minor defense of the copy pasta my main alt is a lock, and it is miserable having 90% of your toolkit be casts
Thats why demos fun, most of the casts are just hand
And noones kicking hand
Like lowest prio spell in history
spice hornet
Being seen alot of warriors QQing about rouges when warr had s1-s4 slands of being king, let rouge shine for once
karmic meteor
You cannot spear incarn Druid if he’s wearing sleeper
but if you spear him before and then he used it inside he cannot escape right?
yes i answer late 😅
sage raptor
You wanna have a good time? Queue solo shuffle as a tank and look at the reactions.
spice hornet
My reaction to that is leaving the match
sage raptor
Prolly a skill issue 💅
spice hornet
More of a I don’t find tank solo@shuffles fun because it turns into a 15 second Zerg fest on the lowest geared player
sage raptor
💅
Its like that with healers too
That's literally all solo shuffle is. Zugzug the lowest hp player with or without a healer
If it's more than that, you make it more complicated for no reason.
spice hornet
Not always. Sometimes you get two full geared heslers and the matches are long. With tanks this never happens. For example if I am trying to play my afflic in solo shuffle, with tanks, it is legitimately impossible to even play my spec because by the time I put gate down and get a full row of dots out on one person the match is usually over LOL. Just not fun. And it’s not a big deal now, but parole are absolutely going to complain if tanks make it in rated shuffle.
People*
sage raptor
I could write an essay
But I'd rather not
Instead I'll just 💅
I hope it's all tanks out of spite
full quiver
yeah that was pretty easy honor farm for me lol
sharp meteor
When it's two duelist healers and 4 55k hp dps it's the actual worst
you have actually four people doing nothing
I just let the bunga die
also had multiple rounds earlier on my UNRANKED VULPERA rsham into a GLADIATOR rdruid
where it as like 3-3 because neither of us could save the little guy
spice hornet
based
sharp meteor
gg 1500 honor in 2 minutes all report the azralon mage for inting
wheat jay
50 yards charge on survi LETS GOOOOO
And 40 yards
And flanking charge
And harpoon
MOAR MOBILITY LETS GOOOOOO
sharp meteor
New drake color pls poo one is bad
spice hornet
Hoping for a nice purple or white
Mmmm additional PvP class tuning for season 4 is underway
Mmmmmm
lucid walrus
Fixed an issue where Rogues did 30% less damage than intended. Cheap Shot’s duration has been increased to 6 seconds (was 4) to compensate.
raw summit
Eternal gladiator increases ur dick size by 4 inches
spice hornet
Ah I rely on wowhead bot to post news and they have not posted that. Very nice
wheat crane
Impressive. Very nice.
nimble jasper
i dont understand
the deeper daggers shit
did they do it in case people ran syl daggers
in pvp
spice hornet
Been crying for that sub evisc nerf forever
lucid walrus
this is news to me
spice hornet
Was getting really tired of getting clatted by a 21k evis, 17k dupe dmg evis, timed with the explosion of a 27k resonator
spice hornet
ancient sonnet
DK's dumpster'd?
full quiver
DK got a fat nerf lol
lucid walrus
where?
sharp meteor
🦀 DK is gone 🦀
wheat crane
this is news to me
Being seen alot of warriors QQing about rouges when warr had s1-s4 slands of being king, let rouge shine for once
spice hornet
Being seen alot of warriors QQing about rouges when warr had s1-s4 slands of being king, let rouge shine for once
near delta
Goddamn they nuked dks
simple rock
wheat crane
Cant tell if ret got nerfed or buffed
full quiver
like hello
wheat crane
Feels like a nerf
near delta
That blazing soul nerf looks decent
lean burrow
this is news to me
finally, pvp intern stopped drinking
robust hearth
weeew jsut got accused for boosting for carrying my friend tht has no leggos or evena covenant in 2s arenas in 1600 havent palyed arenas all season cuz im a rbg player
lean burrow
weeew jsut got accused for boosting for carrying my friend tht has no leggos or ...
just reply with
"i'm boosting, so what?"
robust hearth
cant
lean burrow
"skill issue"
lean burrow
"boosting deez nuts"
robust hearth
im literally jsut carrying a friend tht hasnt played wow since Cataclysm
thts finnaly comming back for dragonflight
lean burrow
"im actually playing onehanded"
robust hearth
"im actually playing onehanded"
i like tht 1
lean burrow
so many options for trolling
lean burrow
i think none of this is punishable
and if that player messaged you accusing of boosting he might have already reported anyway
robust hearth
nah saw a story post on twitter of 2 freinds got accounts suspended becaus eblizzard assumed tht sicne no gold was traded tht it must be RMT, and they dont look at ban appeals cuz its jsut all automated BOTS tht go by how many reports gather in x amount of time
wheat jay
ppl accuse me of boosting every time i queue
Being boosted, not boosting
warped warren
artji projecting, as per usual
spice hornet
Their ban process is wildly inconsistent. Have heard similar stories. Meanwhile Leoww played 30k games last season RMT and didn’t get banned unti like the first of S3 lmao
wheat jay
warped warren
😪
wheat jay
Their ban process is wildly inconsistent. Have heard similar stories. Meanwhile ...
Leolulu?
spice hornet
Yes
wheat jay
Lol
robust hearth
havent got rage whsipers in years tho
it was funny reading it
felt honored tho
rogue literally goes "rng blade storm such trash!"
wheat crane
Think he’s still around on EU made a new account and is still selling rmt boosts
Can just buy some boomers account after he rage quits on reddit because "i only care about world pvp and its unplayable atm"
wheat jay
I think the best whisper i got was an unholy dk telling me i'm ruining his life
wheat jay
And I was survi
robust hearth
KEKW
wheat jay
I ruined his life big time
warped warren
fotm 
warped warren
guys i rerolled hunter when it became busted
wheat jay
guys i rerolled hunter when it became busted
That's not true
warped warren
is
wheat jay
I rolled survi in bfa s4
robust hearth
is necro blood dk and necro frost mage
warped warren
sure
wheat jay
But it was boring as fuck
robust hearth
in 2s
wheat crane
I saved a really good one from a guardian druid telling me to kill myself in a 3 page paragraph at 1400 carrying my buddys fresh rsham in greens
wheat jay
Liked it but i couldn't be arsed to get corruptions xD
warped warren
I tried fdk back then too
i member frost scythe m+ dk in bfa 
full quiver
That's not true
lol shut up
robust hearth
i miss gladiator warrior
warped warren
warped warren
😹 😹 😹
wheat jay
i member frost scythe m+ dk in bfa <:gladge:963970137701109820>
That was fun
wheat jay
i knew i was doing a FOTM reroll
Ye cuz you spent half the season watching me play KFC lmao
robust hearth
ima be Evoker🐲
wheat jay
Bitch
@warped warren big question, did you deplete any keys by hitting too many mobs with frostwhelp?
near delta
The longer cd on demo int will be interesting
obsidian loom
Afflock is going to pump
elder wigeon
Zero changes to arms love it
indigo barn
Arms does more dps in pve therefore it must be better 
elder wigeon
Arms dead
sage raptor
Thank God. Sick of unholy fotm rerollers
near delta
The big thing they seem to be going for is less cd damage and more consistent damage
fickle forge
This is literally the biggest "fuck you" comment I've seen
"Initially suspected"
5 months ago
near delta
Lmao
elder wigeon
they don't care lol
obvious as to zero changes for warrior
one of the biggest classes in pvp, zero changes, everything working as intended!
fickle forge
I'm convinced that Blizz stashes up all the complaints over an expansion and then puts them into action on the last patch
Every time
elder wigeon
yeah i mean fury warrior is completely fine and arms performance is up to specification nothing to see there
spice hornet
This is literally the biggest "fuck you" comment I've seen
Can they see that the arms tier sucks
fickle forge
Can they see that the arms tier sucks
Maybe in 8 months
elder wigeon
no they can't just buff the rest of your toolkit so everything looks nice 👍
IE just buff execute and everyone batchests
sharp meteor
Imagine thinking Mage won't get buffs if there's even the slightest chance they won't be the best caster.
nimble jasper
the only rogue change
that mattered was the outlaw cdr nerf
1600 players prob rejoicing when they react to sepsis 3 gcds late
and wonder why they died
sub didnt get nerfed hard enough
indirectly nerfed by hpriest nerf ig
near delta
indirectly nerfed by hpriest nerf ig
Maybe rmd becomes a thing again lol
spice hornet
yup
sharp meteor
We're getting a poo colored mount and that's that.
lean burrow
baited again
wheat jay
White with pink smoke
sharp meteor
Purple, pink, white, anything that stands out
Eternal drake looks like a faded Cosmic one
wheat jay
Ye lol
fickle forge
that mattered was the outlaw cdr nerf
Honestly think Evis nerf matters too
nimble jasper
10% is not too huge
elder wigeon
I think the only changes there that matters is the holy priest nerfs
rouges still gonna evis you for half your health and mage will still be unkillable
spice hornet
Something needs to be done about alter, I feel like it’s absolutely way too forgiving
elder wigeon
should be changed to physical and last 5 seconds
sharp meteor
10% is not too huge
It's most of their damage.
nimble jasper
feel it needs to be more
sharp meteor
Hpriest nerfs are nice, bit of mage durability off the board, bit to sub burst
wish they adjusted outlaw cdr
spice hornet
More than that
nimble jasper
it effectively stops double kidney/double kick but yeah some more would be nice
wheat jay
Id say Alter is kinda skillful, can't just pop it randomly and hope for the best
If they do use it mindlessly, you can punish them hard
Duration should be decreased tho
indigo barn
Just get a lucky purge
wheat jay
To 5 or 4 seconds
nimble jasper
pretty sure better mages also just position
so you cant purge their alter without going into a bad spot for it
sharp meteor
Yeah, they blink/fox around a pillar or jump off the bridge.
Usually it means they're just gone.
elder wigeon
what is this even referring to
fickle forge
what is this even referring to
sharp meteor
what is this even referring to
Unsure as to what it could be buffing.
Could've been some shit like restonator for all we know.
Apparently there was a bug where 4pc assa wasn't actually nerfed.
fickle forge
Could've been some shit like restonator for all we know.
Could easily be actually
elder wigeon
that would be why resonator does 30k dmg for sub
fickle forge
Thanks Blizzard
How many rogue bugs is that by now
Where they do more damage than intended
They're starting to outdo WW
sharp meteor
Idk but the triune nerfs supposedly went through and mages bitched about feeling squishier
then I was in comp stomp and noticed the values were funky
realized that the nerf didn't actually go in
later on mages realized that they didn't actually need triune, or to play shimmer at all
near delta
later on mages realized that they didn't actually need triune, or to play shimme...
Ironically the triune nerf made mages do more damm while being just as tanky
lucid walrus
imagine never being stunnable
sharp meteor
Just play panda for the incap because hardiness doesn't do anything because you just break out of every stun
uncut pollen
Unsure as to what it could be buffing.
It was buffing blood set in 9.1 pve
And some trinkets
Don’t exactly remember which
sharp meteor
Fucks up the pets.
DK just uses lichborne
Also turned and killed the ghoul just as the DK used transform on it the other day
sage raptor
oh well, -50% nerf anyway <:yep:703420923625078804>
Conduit nerf
It won't not do damage unless they nerf the unity effect. What kills is the pets.
lean burrow
Also turned and killed the ghoul just as the DK used transform on it the other d...
big brain
lean burrow
Conduit nerf
indigo barn
It won't not do damage unless they nerf the unity effect. What kills is the pets...
Doesn't the conduit scale high? Or am I dreaming?
sharp meteor
It's like 60-70% damage on limb so the nerf cuts that's in half
Limb and the million modifiers still hurt but it'll be slightly less murderous
plus squishier into magic, including retwarr and turbo
(cos spellwarden)
sage raptor
Doesn't the conduit scale high? Or am I dreaming?
Yeah but again, the unity effect is what makes it dangerous. I can def see this warding off fotm rerollers.
Shit gets crazy b
Still be strong fo sho
indigo barn
So going from 60-70k damage to 45-50?
sage raptor
Maybe a little higher but that sounds about right
spice hornet
@elfin surge anymore rouge streams this week? Really enjoyed you on outlaw
sage raptor
Rouge
spice hornet
Yeah he’s prepping to main that for dragon lands
sage raptor
Rouge
Hey stay away from memelaw
I heard it'll rot your teeth out
Snatched this from the mage disc
Tbf arcane is poopy rn
spice hornet
Probably the biggest cry baby class in the game
And Blizz always bends over for them
elder wigeon
funny how fire mage gets nerfed 2x every patch and still has remained S tier all expac
spice hornet
I forget which season I believe it was slands s1 but mage was like mid tier in mythic raiding yet S tier in arena and m+ and they were raging about it
sharp meteor
10 nerfs later still S+ tier with access to the best comp
spice hornet
Saying it’s unfair how a pure DPS class is mid tier
elder wigeon
I do want to play with a wizard as warrior but all the comps suck
sharp meteor
yeah your poor ele the other day
spice hornet
Same, it’s such a struggle I really enjoy arms afflic but you have to work about 10x as hard as just playing zug mode or lock playing with another wizard
lucid walrus
Snatched this from the mage disc
i literally only sympathize with arcane mains
those mfers have been through the mud
spice hornet
def something wrong with you if youre an arcane main
next cape
#showtooltip Intervene
/cast [@party1] Intervene Is this macro correct for intervening P1
spice hornet
If you’re fury just take that off your bar and zug
full quiver
Why was 1800 on ww harder for me than anything else lmao
Hands down worst melee class in the game
crystal garden
hi! I just had a random quick question for you warrior pros (I am just starting my warrior journey), and I love to pvp! Anyway, I know that stance switching is a common thing in classic, but is it still relevant in tbc classic, and will it matter in wotlk classic?
to further elaborate, im wondering if i really need to bind stances to some buttons, or if i can just bind it to the ability i want to use, so when i use that ability itll switch stances for me.
full quiver
That's not in retail no clue about wotlk
sharp meteor
Classic Wake me up when it's mop if they don't shut it down before Cata
crystal garden
damn
simple rock
hi! I just had a random quick question for you warrior pros (I am just starting ...
yes it is relevant, you should bind stances and also have stance dance macros for a lot of abilities like zerker rage, cept, disarm etc
there's a TBC classic pvp discord, you should be able to find it with google
don't think I can link here
crystal garden
there's a TBC classic pvp discord, you should be able to find it with google
well im really looking for wotlk tips
im just wondering if its relevant there
tbc is almost over 😦
sage raptor
It is
crystal garden
okay cool, ill just bind them then
sage raptor
:)
crystal garden
along with having macros
sage raptor
Mmm macros
crystal garden
thanks! just tryna free up bar space wherever i can
simple rock
well im really looking for wotlk tips
wotlk warrior gameplay is pretty similar they are just no longer a wheelchair class
you just have a few new buttons and some abilities work differently
crystal garden
cool ty
warped warren
Why was 1800 on ww harder for me than anything else lmao
ww was free tho
i liked it
hasty crane
Idk how the PVP peeps do it. I watch some PVP streams and their calling out ever single ability that enemy team is doing
sharp meteor
A few games and you get a feel for when people use stuff, and what it does
hasty crane
So much awareness
sharp meteor
Although it takes a very good chunk of games to really have a good feel for it
lean burrow
i like how mud bladestorms the same second rogue steps-stuns on him
or predisarms kidney
nimble jasper
ww 1800 felt giga free
cuz teams are bad and never trade for sweep goes proper
always too many cds o too few
nimble jasper
i like how mud bladestorms the same second rogue steps-stuns on him
kinda feel that coming
after you play enoufh
warped warren
Idk how the PVP peeps do it. I watch some PVP streams and their calling out ever...
after having played into the comps thousands and thousands of times, you know exactly whats going to happen
finite fox
Looks like we will have another season of ret war being elite lul
What other melee cleave Yal think is going to be dominant ?
elder wigeon
turbo, outlaw dk will still be good
finite fox
Dk still guna be ok after them nerfs you think?
sand shadow
later on mages realized that they didn't actually need triune, or to play shimme...
6th fat AF survivability nerf to Fire, let's see if #6 is the lucky number
obsidian loom
I hope they eventually explode when I charge
wheat crane
https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-gif-21913959
fickle forge
Now let's see Paul Allen's card
dense yew
what is the best covenant for pvp?
finite fox
Real gamers play nightfae
wheat crane
It is incredibly entertaining
I will say trying to honor cap in 226 gear is definitely not entertaining tho
gusty zinc
why does warrior gotta suck shit at 1v1
spice hornet
Primitive class design
ancient sonnet
Fury pumps pretty good 1v1. Especially if you're running the Impending Victory talent
spice hornet
No immunity, no self heal (or reliable one, rather), no spammable CC, no baseline stun, no ret paladin/fire mage tier burst
Pretty much every other class has a majority of those boxes checked by default
gusty zinc
what does warrior have over the other classes
spice hornet
Nothing really, just slaughterhouse and sharpen
Monk and rogue have disarm, monks is from range
ancient sonnet
Warriors have disarm...
ancient sonnet
Warriors have a shit ton of utility and incredible sustain pressure and burst with CDs
gusty zinc
trying to decide on what i want to play s4, this was my first ever 2 months of pvp and just played what i had at max level which was warrior, wanna make the right decision next season whether or not its to stick with war
spice hornet
That doesn’t matter when you’re playing arms and have to play with enh or ret second heslers just to keep toy alive otherwise you’re perma dead
ancient sonnet
The game isn't obviously built around 1v1. But warriors have more utility than most classes
Play what you enjoy
gusty zinc
right, just trying to learn about what warrior is actually supposed to play like
everyone says its zugzug big dam, but i feel like thats DK if anything
ancient sonnet
Fury just holds W
Fury is just maintain uptime and make sure you keep Slaughterhouse stacks up
gusty zinc
yeh not a fan of fury like arms more so far
ancient sonnet
Agreed. Arms is still maintain good uptime and maximize damage rotation for the most part
gusty zinc
gotcha
gusty zinc
also when you guys say warrior has a ton of utility, do u just mean like intervene and fear?
ancient sonnet
Duel can be useful also
eager oracle
As a fury do y’all typically stick with the talents from murlok.io or are there situations when you swap as fury, into stun from double charge for example.
If there’s a guide I can be pointed into for talent swapping that would be dope, only thing I’m not 100% on in regards to fury, I’m fine on arms
polar berry
Necro>Kyri still in 2s?
Seems like Deathmaker/Kyrian or Signet/Necro from what im pickin up
sharp meteor
Idk they're both good
Deathmaker is more of the "all my goes get peeled here" I think
daring wadi
I prefer Kyrian for twos and necrolord for 3s. Id Imagine with the greater fade Nerf it'll be a lot easier to play kyrian
sharp meteor
I prefer Kyrian for twos and necrolord for 3s. Id Imagine with the greater fade ...
yeah can also just hold spear
like locks will move to their gate to use it to remove spear
then just sit on it and wait for you to spear
and eventually take it because they're dying
similar with hunter and feign and priest with fade
daring wadi
Yup. I usually use reck at the start to get defensives and use my spear bladestorm for actual goes
Plus I prefer signet because it makes reck a root/snare break
Increases uptime
full quiver
Anyone have frame rate issues with demo lock
polar berry
no but that's hilarious
sage raptor
also when you guys say warrior has a ton of utility, do u just mean like interve...
Parry, fear, shield break, slow, charge, intervene, disarm, rally, battle shout, etc
Actually a lot warrior brings
thorny field
what do you guys struggle to kill ?
obsidian loom
Locks that can effectively cc
Druids that bind root
Monks that don't put their transfer mid map
Rogues but they're unkillable anyway
Inb4 "rogues are fine lole"
full quiver
Like I've got rtx 3099 fe and 16gb of I think it was ddr4 ram
And I get frame drops lol
Shit game
raw summit
Inb4 "rogues are fine lole"
Being seen alot of warriors QQing about rouges when warr had s1-s4 slands of being king, let rouge shine for once
wheat crane
Being seen alot of warriors QQing about rouges when warr had s1-s4 slands of being king, let rouge shine for once
wary heart
spice hornet
Being seen alot of warriors QQing about rouges when warr had s1-s4 slands of being king, let rouge shine for once
elfin surge
Being seen alot of warriors QQing about rouges when warr had s1-s4 slands of bei...
fr
rogue finally viable
near delta
Why was 1800 on ww harder for me than anything else lmao
Probably weren't running enough lol
Gotta burst and just kite forever
near delta
rogue finally viable
Are you sticking with outlaw or going sub next season?
elfin surge
i hate rdruids
warped warren
rouge xd
full quiver
Probably weren't running enough lol
I just did no dam
I think it's because I played the sck talent
But only did Keefer image fof goes
Lol
Playing against complete morons too
near delta
Gotta rsk, fof, into rsk every go
full quiver
So shows how bad I am at ww
near delta
With bdb and you gotta fixate your images or your damm suffers hard
full quiver
Dust image Keefer fof
Oh targets at 30%, at end of go
Heals to full
Lol
I swear touch of death should be 15yrds
near delta
If you're only fof and not rsk into fof reset with bok into rsk you're damage gonna be low as hell lol
full quiver
I would fof rsk whorly dragon punch
near delta
Yeah thats why you did no damm missing out on like 20-30k more from the first rsk
And they just die if they don't trink or pop something
full quiver
My highest kick was like 16k
near delta
It's so degen and I hate it
full quiver
Lol
Ww is poopy
Got 1770 on survival at like 233pvp ilvl
Having never played it before lol
And that was like months ago
fair cove
Sorry if this gets asked alot, but I'm brand new to Warrior - currently level 25, - and I'm trying to decide between Arms and Fury. I know Fury is the go-to for rated PvP at the moment, but I'm more interested in random BGs, world PvP, and 1v1s. Is Arms better in those situations? Which would be better at staying alive solo as well?
raw summit
1v1s isnt for warrior
sharp meteor
No, Fury is still better.
Just play Impending to stay alive, I think.
Arms damage profile/utility isn't as good in 1v1s etc
fair cove
I've been seeing that a bunch, but the only other class I have to level is DK.
sharp meteor
Just mog people with raw damage as Fury
full quiver
Dk is way better at world pvp and 1v1s
But those don't really happen like they did in classic wow lol
wary heart
menethil harbor ship with a pocket healer
fair cove
Yeah, I guess I mostly just do random BGs
I might level DK over Warrior tbh
I'm on the fence.
mild pier
Ya'll running deathmaker lego for fury right now? See a lot of people with it but I really like signet
wary heart
reck with bladestorm proc to gib cc is fun af