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ancient heart
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but its really not much and arms is more fun and easier to gear so might as well ride it out until ulduar

charred wadi
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if you have the luxuary of choosing and dps is the priority, its close enough to call it a wash . if your lacking feral fury brings phys crit. if your lacking a combat rogue and/or feral you bring both bleed and phys debuff as arms. both specs have merits depending on grp needs

neon violet
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any idea why im missing dummy in org

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with precision3/3

ancient heart
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white hits missing is normal

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you shouldnt miss with bt/ww

elfin spruce
neon violet
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kk get that now thanks guys

elfin spruce
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What's really going to bake your noodle is when you get into ulduar and notice you're not critting as much as your character sheet says

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Since most people only get 8% hit and then go hard crit, but you'll cap crit at 40% on whites

shell schooner
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hey everyone, I'm sure that this has likely been answered a lot on here. But I'm at work rn and have limited time to scroll through.
looking at various parses I see some arms warriors using zerker stance. Should I be mainly in battle and swapping when interrupts are needed and to cast reck or should I be in zerker stance and swap when I need to reapply rend?

ancient heart
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you can't use overpower in zerker

shell schooner
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ok so it would be too much swapping i guess

ancient heart
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i can't see how stance dancing is worth it unless maybe for bladestorm

shell schooner
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the rage loss not worth it then.

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thank you

ancient heart
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np. overpower is our best move

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i do see some ppl using whirlind for AE in instances but I'm not sure how it comoares to thunderclap

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(whirlwind requires zerker stance)

elfin spruce
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But that still eats some rage from swinreset

ancient heart
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guys i wonder about execute

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i hardly find windows to cast it

elfin spruce
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It's your #1 damage dealer?

frank plaza
ancient heart
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im fury

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and prioritizing Slam procs, BT/WW and HS spam, I don't find space for execute or barely

elfin spruce
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Execute has higher dpr than hs and will bleed excess rage just as well

ancient heart
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so you don't HS at all in execute phase?

proper gulch
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I have noticed that a lot of ppl don’t charge weave for the extra rage/ms buff in logs, is there a reason for that?

elfin spruce
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Do you gain much by skipping autos

proper gulch
frank plaza
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The logs I looked at had Execute in place of missing Slam procs. But could be wrong.

wanton sigil
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You usually use slam on that free time

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You can utilize charge for buff on heigan

ancient heart
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@frank plaza true i see a lot of logs without any execute usage

proper gulch
# wanton sigil boss fights are too short this phase and you are swimming in rage

Idk, you def have a lot rage gen, but I feel like if you’re really trying to you can starve yourself with heroic strike, and therefor could make use of the rage from charge. But it’s mainly about the buff, it’s like what every 3-4 ms casts that get a 25% crit buff? Even if fights are lasting like a minute that’s still gotta be like a 3-4% dps increase. Not huge but I’m surprised to see the parse lords not doing it

drifting jacinth
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armageddon vs skull clad?

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(arms)

sudden canyon
drifting jacinth
wanton sigil
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Here you only* have around 2.5 sec

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Have even if you have 3.7 speed weapon you have bunch of passive haste (i cba editing the post. But man you shouldn't leave auto correct on while you are sleepy.)

alpine sky
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guys ngl arms feels like its unplayable in 2v2

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i feel like i do no damage

mental fossil
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Ah man when you get red sword of courage on 2nd try, mmm mmmmm!

radiant sun
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Can someone tell me if there is a way to find people with a certain profession on a specific realm? I need a leather working professional (325) on angerforge but cannot find one. Is there discord servers for that type of thing?

vapid quarry
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idk usually i jsut asked for workers in trade and general, and guild over and over

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but i like that idea, i think its coming in retail tbh, but not classic, but that would rule

ancient heart
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ye spamming trade chat is your best bet

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there are addons but they only work guild wide and everyone needs to have them

radiant sun
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Bet, I can spam lol

versed ivy
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Does the fight club warrior wotlk disc have something wrong with it? You join and there’s no chatchannels which I’m assuming is due to not having a role or whatever, but there’s no bot or anything to give yourself roles. Just a bunch of guide channels

ancient heart
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ive left it but iirc it was very dead

wanton sigil
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Maybe you have to do bot stuff

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Cause it's active as hell

versed ivy
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It’s like whatever they setup is broken

marble dawn
ancient heart
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im not sure why ppl say its active

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it looks inactive to me

final smelt
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Anyone knows if its worth it to even bother with ARP in phase 1 for a furry warrior

mental fossil
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@final smelt no, but grim toll is pretty hot

rich hatch
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for fury not really

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bstance is what can potentially get you over the hump right now but even as arms, it's hard to manage

honest talon
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Just picked up the darkmoon trinket, which should be my second trinket between Mirror of truth and loathebs shadow?

rich hatch
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sim it but prob mirror

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unless the fight is very short

honest talon
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Will do that, ty

ancient heart
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from my experience we need mirror right now to keep up flurry

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and we have plenty of hit usually so grim toll loses value

keen holly
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sorry if this has been asked before, but im going nuts. Is there macro that casts Recklessness and death wish together or is that not a thing? i cant figure it out

ancient heart
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you cant because of gcd

whole crypt
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Dont have a prot warrior. Should fury warrior sunder or rogue expose armor?

rich hatch
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warrior

whole crypt
# rich hatch warrior

i honestly dont care either way, i just had heard that is was better for an Assassination Rogue because it takes 5 sunders (75 rage) from a warrior with 0 damage, while it costs a rogue 1 finisher with 10 reduced energy.

rich hatch
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them having to maintain is what's bad mostly

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exposing on pull to help get to 5 faster is fine

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i think

analog helm
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I think them exposing on pull and you steadily getting to 5 stacks is best imo. It allows the boss to be at 20% armor redux from the rip and you get to continue your rotation for your opener and just rage dumping with sunder instead of slam/hs.

rich hatch
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Also gotta factor in that fights are short

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And sin rogues are performing a hell of alot better than warrs right now

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And since the warr is gonna sunder anyway, might as well just let the rogue blow his load

median gale
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What do you guys think is better; Grim Toll or Darkmoon Card: Berserker! ?

ancient heart
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more likely thna not grim toll

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however if you can't use the hit on grim toll its value is diminished

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still probably better than berserker tho

median gale
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In terms of PVP I meant sorry.

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I never clarified,

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PVP not PVE

ancient heart
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ok. dont know then. resi is probably pretty important

median gale
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No worries, sorry for the mixup

elfin spruce
elfin spruce
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So resilience to the sky

ancient heart
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guys is it wise to stack death wish, lust and potion of speed?

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and do we profit more if we do it during execute phase?

elfin spruce
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Depends on kill speed

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You're always going to be better off using cd for lust

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It's a massive force multiplier

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Like for lust you should have your prepot

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And deathwish should be hit as you charge in

elfin spruce
ancient heart
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so no saving deathwish for lust ye?

elfin spruce
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Use dw in lust

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If your team delays lust

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Idk, it's up if you're losing a full use by delaying

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I know most of my kills are getting under 2min now

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But for something like 3d

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Where you sit on CDs you generally burn CDs on one lust in another

dawn pivot
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Hi guys, noob question. Just hit 80 yesterday and maainly just like pve. The gearing process for raids is it jsut running Heriocs and daily dungeon quests for gear? Os there other things I should be doing now that im 80.

shell schooner
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make sure you get your rep for Hodir and EB up

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but yeah get your badges for starter gear a few world tours will get you the rep you need for EB and enough badges with quests to get your 2pc

dawn pivot
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Sweet ty for the info. Wasnt sure if there were any attuning quests or anythiung.

shell schooner
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nope but if you haven't done IC it's a great source of badges so worth going for

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oh and about 3k gold as well

dawn pivot
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IC? Ice crown? Like the quests and stuff there?

shell schooner
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yup

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you will get your quests for ebon blade there as well

dawn pivot
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Good to know, will quest there while waiting for groups

shell schooner
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you get a few badges in storm peaks as well about 35 or so if i remember.
there is a lot of good starter badge gear for warrior which is good since less reliant on rng but bad because a bit more grind

dawn pivot
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Gotcha Gotcha, you have been very helpful. Appreciate it!

shell schooner
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you're welcome

torpid edge
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what website do you use to run sims on for WOTLK ? i can't seem to find the option on raidbot

shell schooner
mossy fable
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Can someone explain how desyncing weapons so you don't clip heroic strike with your offhand works?

dawn pivot
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Hi yall, question. Is rend a part of Fury war rotation for long single target fights?

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Trying to see if I need to setup stance macros to bounce between battle and berserker

desert fractal
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Yes

cedar ridge
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Hey folks , is there any discord channel or something similar to advertise guilds?

hearty pagoda
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anyone with swing timer wa that supports fury aswell?

ocean nova
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!faq

compact thicket
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Quick question - just picked up a Grim Toll...I know it's hard to say without knowing the rest of my gear or stats but I'm not too familiar with the certain break points except hit being 8%. Does it change the way I should gem? For example should I gem for ArP over strength?

median gale
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No str/crit gems are the best right now as there is no reliable way to hit the ArP soft cap

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Depending on how the Ulduar gear scales we might start gemming armour pen then. If not it will for sure be TotC

desert fractal
median gale
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I've heard mix. I've seen people run pure strength gems. I've seen people run str and crit. Honestly Im not too sure when to take either over the other

mental fossil
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Has anyone tested arms without bladestorm and went with Death wish instead?

elfin spruce
minor belfry
median gale
minor belfry
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and what is the soft cap of arp?

mental fossil
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@minor belfry 1400

mental fossil
compact thicket
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So I have another question regarding ArP - should I gem for that in PvP over Str as an arms warrior? Or should I just gem for str until more ArP is available?

hardy cedar
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don't gem arp until toc

proper gulch
proper gulch
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Nvm I guess you get it with that build I am silly

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I guess the real question is if you take the last point of wrecking crew or endless rage, seems like you might not need the rage so idk

half thorn
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What glyphs do you ppl run as arms in raids?

proper gulch
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Personally I run cleave and hs with execute, if you wanna min max your starget you can swap your cleave with ms glyph

half thorn
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hmm okey

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and in prio order exe / ms / op ?

proper gulch
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Sorry I didn’t see the arms part

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I play execute, rend, hs glyph in raid

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And yeah it’s that prio, but you should track your op proc rate, because op becomes prio if you’re abt to lose a proc and the boss is above 20%

half thorn
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okok

compact thicket
hardy cedar
# compact thicket Even in PvP?

Yes, especially in PvP, unless you are sure to reach some great armpen %, strengh is better. There not so much great plate armor pen in ulduar, i don't think you can have enough armpen (even with a lot of pve gear)

compact thicket
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Alright. Just wasn't sure if ArP breakpoints applied to PvP. I know PvP gear currently doesn't even have ArP on it

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And obviously you don't use much PvE gear in PvP because resil and stam is king

scarlet saffron
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Are we spamming execute when we can, or still prio BT and WW.? - fury*

unborn bronze
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Still prio bt ww

median gale
final girder
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Hi guys, Do you guys know, how good expertise trinket from Malygos 25 is ?

mental fossil
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Is anyone playing fury here with pre-raid bis? How does it perform compared to arms atm in raids?

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Rage lack? Miss miss miss?

compact thicket
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Of course I could be wrong, just happened to be a trend that I noticed before everyone started getting geared out. Now fury is above arms a few weeks later.

charred wadi
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99-percentile suggest fury a bit ahead over arms. Its not a big difference in the bigger picture, warrior bottom feeder for boss and overall dps

mental fossil
stark rose
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what's the def cap a prot warrior should be aiming for?

elfin spruce
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540 on raid

elfin spruce
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They're a bit sweaty there so be cautious

stark rose
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nah im good just needed that info, my trinket upgraded to defenders code from seal of the panthoen and loss def but gained armor

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I got the EOE 10 man shield last night and my previous shield had titanium plating but i can get the def enchant to reach the 540

true hound
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Hey lads, is there by any chance someone has bgtx build for prot?

wanton sigil
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For cleave fights you replace Ms with cleaving

gloomy willow
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so some priest just told me about a UA build

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apparently broken for leveling and dungeons

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can anyone bring me up sto speed on that lol

daring lark
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Spend points in arms and take UA, in prot go down and take improved revenge. Wield 1h and shield + revenge spam = profit

haughty knoll
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arms pvp what would be better armageddon or black ice?

mental fossil
compact thicket
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On top of that I’ve heard Armageddon in general isn’t great because of the speed. Cryptfiend’s Bite is generally gonna be your second best behind Betrayer. Even better than Death’s Bite depending on what your stats look like.

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Now if you were fury, Armageddon is a pretty good option in that case

keen otter
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Looking at some of the top fury warriors rotations, why do they keep rend up? is it to proc the 4 set bonus more often?

elfin spruce
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One would think

proper gulch
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If you aren’t procing slam like crazy you get a fair amount of free globals as fury, so stance dancing rend is usually pretty free

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I would assume thats more of the reason, but the rage gen prob is why they do that over like tclap

lucid forum
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Is prot warr viable in 2s??

dusk iris
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How do I get my parses up, are there any good videos for it?

As is I'm doing charge, rend, 5sunder, execute > overpower > slam, then refreshing rend and sunder but I'm still stuck in the 40s am I missing something here?

mossy fable
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Would anyone be willing to look at my logs and critique/point out why i'm parsing below average even considering ilvl as fury warrior?

compact thicket
wanton sigil
elfin spruce
lucid forum
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Kk, I thought maybe it could work with big shield slams...

half thorn
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it can work

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its worse, but works. il get you a link

half thorn
eternal jungle
rough radish
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could i get some advice on what are the best heirlooms to use to level warriors?

eternal jungle
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Weapon? Possible good weapon can be faster than that 10 or 20% of exp. 😄

gloomy willow
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^^ i could vouch my boosted toons weapon really feels to be holding me back

elder falcon
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Anyone happen to know if u can tank Naxx with revenge spec?

eternal jungle
# elder falcon Anyone happen to know if u can tank Naxx with revenge spec?

TSW did it on PTR, however warrior has no threat issues so there is not rly a reason to sacrifice survability from prot talents just for some extra damage. https://youtu.be/DrDoLjOe7B8

YouTube
WarriorTSW
#1 Damage as Tank in Naxx EXPOSED!

Amendment: Mortal Strike can be used also in Defensive Stance for an additional GCD filler. I overwrote the video in my editing program so cant correct and reupload. Thank goodness I've already uploaded a copy of this video to youtube otherwise this video wouldnt exist.

Discord: https://discord.gg/WzHN4yV4ad
Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/warrio...

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elder falcon
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@eternal jungle im having bo issue with threat. Im considering it for being able to reach the 99 parses better :p

frank plaza
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Expertise question.

Currently I’m about 30 expertise under soft cap, and I’m wondering if it’s worth it to re-stat a couple of gems to hit the soft cap. I’m Orc with 2x axe (specialist).

According to my WoW Sim setup strength and crit gems seems to outperform the 2x expertise gems I’m short from cap, so my question is what to trust here? Is the sim reliable or should I always hit that soft cap.

sacred herald
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need to know why i see people say for the moment in phase 1 it s better to socket str instead of arp when on wowhead it say in bislist to use gems arp does someone know ?

rich hatch
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because it depends on the gear you have

sacred herald
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do u need to hit a soft cap on arp to be worth ?

rich hatch
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more or less, yeah. it's more valuable the more you have

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hitting soft cap during shattering is p much the realistic p1 goal

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but str is still about equal in value and if that's not possible for you yet, then str >>

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but in any case, sim it

sacred herald
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i understand well i guess im kinda out of arp cause i miss chest and gloves of malygos

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kk thx for the answer

analog helm
wanton sigil
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Nope

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it's outdated Private server rotation

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i would suggest you follow fight club discord

rich hatch
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you can also get away without using slam at all tbh

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i hate the cast bar so i just don't spec into imp slam and never cast it

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not ideal but still got 95s across the board p much

elfin spruce
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The gap between using MS and not is splitting hairs

quasi spade
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Quick question:

What are soft cap numbers for a Prot Warrior’s expertise and hit, respectively?

mental fossil
quasi spade
elfin spruce
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Paper doll stats ignore talents iirc

mental fossil
elfin spruce
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Yup throws people for a loop,

mental fossil
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yeah, since you refuse to help right?

elfin spruce
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Wat

rich hatch
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Got em

eternal jungle
quasi spade
charred wadi
# quasi spade Thanks for the extra context

expertise defensive value is near 0. parry haste is old elitist jerk feelscraft that survived 15 years for whatever reason. offensively expertise is the same as hit. while hit removes miss from the table, expertise pushes off dodge and parry, both increases your chance to land an ability. but practically speaking you can almost run 0 hit/expertise and not struggle in 95% of scenarios. in reality this will almost never be the case as you get a lot of free hit and expertise via gear you would normally use. on top of this there is always the option to play hit food over expertise or agility.

regarding taunt glyph. it has no value in itself like glyph of devastate or vigilance. its good to use whenever it is critical your taunts don't fail not miss. for example a tank swap. while most bosses this phase can be taunted almost none of them require you to execute the fight. the closest you come is dealing with drake adds on Sartharion, KT p3 adds or Gluth if your raid can't kill it comfortably in time before MT reaches 10 stacks.

so the question then is if it actually matters to be able to land every single taunt under normal gameplay or if your snap threat with misdirection in play is good enough and if it fails you rely on mocking blow/challenging shout. i will admit that being able to taunt straggles or trash is useful.

but sake of clarity. fighting bosses (lvl 83 target) you will need 17% spell hit to not miss a taunt. that means 6% hit from gear if you 1. use the glyph (8%) + 2. have imp ff/misery up on target (3%). as alliance with dranei aura in group you would only need 5%, as it provides 1%. but thats against bosses.

vs trash lvl 82 you will only need 6% to never miss a taunt, and less for 80 and 81 targets. realistically you wont see ff or misery up on every signle trash mob, right. i'd argue gearing for 5% (if access to dranei) or 6% is very trivial. that means taunt glyph is completely redundant unless your actually running 0 hit on your gear.

elfin spruce
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With most bosses in wotlk not requiring taunt swaps it's really redundant

mental fossil
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Deathbringer needs it though.

elfin spruce
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Yup, but by then you've got alot of options and can generally just have a swappable piece in the bag

mental fossil
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yeah, its not crucial

elfin spruce
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I was highly sad that even buffed naxx devolved into just bullying the bosses

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Here is hoping ulduar actually puts a dent in our health

mental fossil
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True, im looking forward to ulduar since I never raided it in og wrath

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togc was pretty easy if I remember it correctly

elfin spruce
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Normal mode togc was easy free loot

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Hard mode for the mount, anub was not a pushover

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His last 30% is rough

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Gotta ride that line of keeping people from dying but not with enough hp to keep healing the boss for buckets while dealing with crazy hard-hitting adds

quasi spade
wooden crest
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Hardmode will be more than a loot piñata, but if you remember wotlk was the expansion blizzard wanted everyone to see all the raids so it’s to be expected that they’re much easier now, the biggest complaint in vanilla and to a lesser extent in bc was that raiding wasn’t accessible to a lot of players. Vanilla and bc were easy enough wotlk will be even easier from a raid difficulty stand point.

mental fossil
rich hatch
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week 1 hard modes will be rough for some guilds but don't expect anything more than that

elfin spruce
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Flame leviathan vehicles where you can't bully the boss with cheese DPS

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That's going to be fun for our less coordinated members

eternal jungle
charred wadi
eternal jungle
charred wadi
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its in the literal wowhead guide

rich hatch
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considering the only things that kill tanks are spells, yeah. parry haste is negligible unless you're very poorly geared

charred wadi
eternal jungle
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Tell that to blizzard, it acts as ability. But yeah i admit i might have been wrong on that one.

eternal jungle
charred wadi
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If it was a melee ability it would be worse, 14% chance to dodge or parry + 8% chance to miss

compact thicket
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If Taunt doesn’t work doesn’t it say “Resist” and not “Miss”?

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That tells me it’s a spell right there.

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Just a thought

charred wadi
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It says resist correct

eternal jungle
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you guys keep calling it spell and ill go swim in my pot of gold, good luck with your gaming .

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elfin spruce
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With no way to improve it

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Because the wow developers all played EverQuest and taunt there was about as reliable as a bridge made from scotch tape

eternal jungle
elfin spruce
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On my phone at the moment, but I'll see if the old data is out there once I have a pc

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I mean beyond me saying "I played a tank back in 2004"

azure hound
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for fury warriors what is the rotation priority in execute phase? I'm seeing conflicting things with slam being highest priority vs lowest

mental fossil
forest ibex
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If you are silenced

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You cannot taunt

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An ability is anything castable by a player or npc

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When silenced you are unable to cast spells, but can still use attacks

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Pretty sure all spells and attacks are abilities(couldn’t prove myself wrong with a quick search on wowhead)

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The confusing part is there are niche abilities that are physical spells

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Most spells are magical (FROSTbolt, SHADOWbolt, judgement)

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But not always

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Even in vanilla taunt was a spell, as you would commonly use a spell hit active trinket as a tank for 4 horseman fight(which the kill condition is few to no taunts missing)

stark rose
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suggestions on what gems to use in prismatic slots?

rich hatch
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unsure if exe glyph changes that

tribal pollen
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what's the rotation priority in execute phase for arms?

rich hatch
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exe > all but spend your OPs right before TFB procs again

tribal pollen
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do we also swap to berserker stance in execute phase?

rich hatch
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no

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it's arguably not even worth it to swap for reck at any point

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but def not worth it in exe(or sitting in it at all) since you can't cast op in zerker

tribal pollen
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ok thanks! clears up a lot for me cause I've only started playing warrior at the end of TBC

sour linden
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Hi fellas, one quick question.
In raid sometimes when applying rend it says that a stronger debuff is on place, where is that coming from?

elfin spruce
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It's because dots utilize snapshotting in wotlk

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So it's stopping you from lowering your DPS by overwriting a stronger rend with a weaker one

elder falcon
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whats the best way to parse as prot war?

image.png
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im wondering if i should go revence spec xd

latent sky
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guys one question about logging in classic: i noticed that in my reports the item level shown is higher than the ilvl i have for equipped gear.
is that normal?

elfin spruce
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Iirc there is something goofy about rings weapons and trinkets where it'll only count one

sour linden
elfin spruce
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Anything that increases damage on rend

sour linden
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Oh shit that would be trauma

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Thanks mate

elfin spruce
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I mean trauma is a debuff iirc so that's dynamic

half thorn
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Yo! simulation question, if i read this correct is Critt my best stat atm?

half thorn
half thorn
dusty grail
elder falcon
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Thanks mate!

half thorn
elder falcon
tribal pollen
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bladestorm 1h+1h (kebab) vs 2h? any advantages of one over the other?

elfin spruce
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2h will always win, kebab was a meme during prepatch

forest ibex
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Forgetting the most important rend snapshotting advice

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Don’t reapply until it falls off

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If you try before, you’re a noob

rich hatch
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assuming your tfb timer isn't wonky which it still can be

half thorn
elder falcon
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No vigilance? How tf he keeps aggro over locks

half thorn
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he pumps huge dps 😛

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swap SS for HS glyph and its 5.4k dps on patch

elder falcon
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I think most of the bosses is HS>SS? Can’t really stance swap

half thorn
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yep

rich hatch
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that build is more threat than vigilance for 1-2 targets

elder falcon
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guess it require a few seconds to build though

mental fossil
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Is that spec fun?

elder falcon
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No idea. Think I’m going to try@it next reset

scarlet saffron
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Losing vitality seems harsh

mental fossil
worldly narwhal
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some war 2v2

desert fractal
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So think we’re getting TOC warrior early? Looks like ulduar gear is being buffed

mental fossil
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Mjolnir runestone is getting buffed which is going to be insane for us

half thorn
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the prott build is very fun, with ss glyph for trash i oull over 10k dps on trash and then swap to HS for bosses, legit dont need the stuns for raid. And no Hcs are are hard.

rich hatch
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all about pulling 6 packs at a time for heroic+

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which you don't wanna be revenge spec for

sonic plover
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i should survive patchwerk if i swap to revenge spec with this gear right?

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(changing LL for some dps 1h prob)

rich hatch
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ya you'll be fine

minor belfry
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Hi, quick question, which weapon is better, Death's bite or Armageddon?

mental fossil
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Spec? If arms, axe axe axe

rugged spear
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Does it matter at all which of these weapons I have in Main-Hand/Off-Hand? Highest weapon damage in Main-hand? Or is it only mostly a rogue-thing to have a high weapon dmg in main hand?

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mental fossil
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Always highest weapon damage in your mainhand.

gloomy willow
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ANy tips for solo leveling as prot. Been farming botanica im boosted onto a new server so the gold is nice. But at 75 feels to be slowing down exp wise slightly wondering if and when i should swap. Non food or flask buffed avoidance is at 52.78

half thorn
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use an exp weakaura

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so you know if you ware slowing down

desert fractal
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Possible to solo ZG in BiS fury gear?

minor belfry
mental fossil
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Then that clearly depends on what stats you do need, do you need the hit? Crit? Etc

atomic jetty
#

Why do some prefer the Frosted Adroit Handguards over the Valorous Dreadnaught Gauntlets?

minor belfry
half thorn
mental fossil
minor belfry
mental fossil
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what other weapon do you have?

minor belfry
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as an off-hand, I have betrayer on main-hand

mental fossil
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ah then id just go with arma

minor belfry
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okey then

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is it worth, even with the less crit?

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it has a lot of haste

mental fossil
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its fine, how much crit do you have atm?

minor belfry
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hmm, and is there any crit cap on fury?

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this is without any buffs

mental fossil
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the hardcap is around 50% if im not mistaken

minor belfry
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I see

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with buffs I have about 48-49%

mental fossil
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crazy lol

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do you rage starve?

minor belfry
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nope

mental fossil
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I guess you could go with deaths bite

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cus of the hit and crit

minor belfry
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ok, thanks for help mate 🙂

mental fossil
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y, anytime. do you have grimtoll?

minor belfry
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yes, I do

mental fossil
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it procs around 50-60% armor pen right?

minor belfry
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yes, with it's proc I have about 60% arp

mental fossil
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thats crazy

minor belfry
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and it procs a lot

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in fury

mental fossil
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yeah I can imagine lol

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im waiting for that trinket to drop xD

minor belfry
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we had 2 in a single run

mental fossil
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damn lol

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how much raw arp do you have atm?

minor belfry
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19,65%

mental fossil
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ah thats pretty much tbf

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by just raw gear right?

minor belfry
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yes

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without gems

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I gem in str

mental fossil
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amazing

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nice

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I honestly cannot wait for ulduar when most gear gives arp there 😄

minor belfry
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yeah, that's true, when we will have soft-cap we will be the best dps class 😛

mental fossil
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yeah!

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ill start gemming armor pen gems when I get new gear + g rim toll

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grim*

half thorn
#

any huge pvp chads in this discord?

compact thicket
half thorn
# compact thicket What’s up

Found a huge dude on our server so got what I needed. Was thinking about some items I have from pve of i should use or not. Was worried that I would not have pressure in let's say 2s. But he had full pvp besides weapon and darkmoon. And where 2300-2400 in 2s. I argue I hade same our better gear so guess it will be fine. Just starting out pvp 😊

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He still had 2-3 Savage items etc

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Did some last night, I'm trash with pew pew gear 😅

median gale
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Man it's rough

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rich hatch
elfin spruce
median gale
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It do be like that

mossy fable
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would anyone be willing to look at my logs after i finish my raid? i feel like i'm doing the advice i see given to people but still parsing low. cooldown usage is probably bad but idk if its enough to make my parses look so rough

mental fossil
half thorn
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link em

mossy fable
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i know im missing some gems and enchants just mainly wanted to see where i was going wrong on rotation

compact thicket
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If someone could also look at mine I’d greatly appreciate it as well. I think I do alright for the most part but I know there’s some things I could clean up. Also for reference - I was the only warrior in the raid until last week, so if you see me doing a ton of sundering, that’s why. Matter of fact, that’s one thing I could do better - not let sunder fall so much.

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Would just like to see those 80s and low 90s become mid-high 90s more consistently. The guides are a little vague on the intricate details of the rotation and I think that’s what I’m missing.

charred wadi
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Missing out a fair bit not being engineering. Can run your setup sim in setup to see the increase

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Are you using haste potions and or armor potion?

compact thicket
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Me? I actually just swapped to engineering last week so I do have that now. I did for a couple weeks but forgot them the last couple weeks lol. I know the general ideal pre pot situation is armor pot a min before pull, haste pot on pull, then haste pot again during the fight, but I haven't done that recently

charred wadi
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I looked at raid from 23rd, so yesterday

compact thicket
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So no, I didn't have pots for yesterday

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We just did 10 man yesterday. Our 25m was tuesday

charred wadi
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?

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Isnt this 23rd Nov or am I tripping, and 25man

compact thicket
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Says Tues Nov 22 at the top for me

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But yea you're right that's 25m

charred wadi
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Ok it maybe converts cus I am EU

compact thicket
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Ohhh yeah gotcha

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So truthfully I haven't dove into parsing so much as to really min/max up until a couple weeks ago so potting is still new to me. Not used to it but I'm trying to get into that habit

charred wadi
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Anyways, I don't see engi gloves, potions or reck on every boss. Not an Arms expert but looked quickly at some random guy in the top and I see all 3 prett ymuch every time. Overall kill times effect dps and in extension your parse rank but still shows you missing out on the lil extra if you want to jump from 80-85s to 90+

compact thicket
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Just wanted to see if there was anything rotation wise I could clean up before I really try to crush it

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Yeah our guild is getting pretty good at manhandling these bosses so kill times are getting shorter lol

charred wadi
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i'd compare your casts and figure out why there are differences if there are

compact thicket
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Matter of fact I question if it's even worth sundering on fights like Gothik cuz he dies like 20 seconds after he ports down

forest ibex
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Maybe a shattering throw

charred wadi
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but i can assure you wont be getting 90+ if you dont potion, sapper, reck or pop engi gloves

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Well fight club has a nice table that shows when its worth to sunder and when to expose, but you always need either if you want to do maximum dmg

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if you have a prot warr i'd suggest open shattering, let prot do at least 4 stacks and maybe you do 1 after shattering. after your shattering over you can have prot warrior throw second

compact thicket
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copy

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thanks for lookin into that

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Last question - when should I reapply Rend? I try to do it immediately following a tick that doesn't proc TFB but sometimes procs and globals don't allow time for that and I don't have a weakaura to show me

charred wadi
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I am pretty sure you never apply it before the previous one is gone but again, no arms expert

compact thicket
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That's what the guide says but having a lapse in uptime between Rend applications just doesn't make sense to me, besides that if you reapply Rend immediately after the first one falls, the first tick won't proc TFB anyway because of the ICD

charred wadi
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ISnt that something you can tinker with in the sim

compact thicket
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I can check but don't remember seeing it

charred wadi
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YEah you can define rend refresh

compact thicket
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Yeah I see it now

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Appears to be higher when you refresh at 3 seconds by the most miniscule amount....like a 5 dps increase lol

charred wadi
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I would expect it to be very minor

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but minor matters

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its not the only thing right

compact thicket
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Right, not what I should be focusing on it seems. Should be working on getting those engi glove enchants and getting the pre pots down

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Oh and on that note - I don't stack the haste pots or engi gloves with BL right? Because of the DR on haste it's better to spread them out?

charred wadi
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Haste has no DR, never heard of staggering it

compact thicket
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Understood

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Thanks for the help man I do appreciate it

charred wadi
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Can see the cast order from the guy I linked earlier

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got a 99 on Pw so I assume he is doing something right

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3x warriors so I assume they all pitch in for Sunders. If you got a prot warr its pretty similar. expect 1-2 casts on a boss opener before you can go ham

compact thicket
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Right

charred wadi
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Most optimal ST usage I dont wanna say too much. Intuitively you want 1 up ASAP even if it means before 5x SA or expose. -20% via ST is too big to not use with that 2-3 BL pop together with full raids worth of ICDs and prepots

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how I do with my arms warrior is I ask arms to do it asap, I prio SA as gcd to get it up cus threat usually completely trivial and then I follow up my own ST after his is running out

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then you get the nice 20s full blast

compact thicket
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Makes sense

elder falcon
# half thorn

Im testing the spec for tanking rn but the logs are shit as the revenge spec xD

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Guess u need a certain gear or smth. Im 4100 tank

half thorn
elder falcon
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Can u pm u?

fossil terrace
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Yoooooo sunder armor!

wanton sigil
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Our revenge warrior does more DMG then half of the raid on patchwerk. 7.3k dps

ashen oyster
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hey guys Im playing fury in wotlk, and Black Ice just dropped
I know polearms are weird for Fury - but I should equip in MH, right?
have h HoL axe for off hand

mental fossil
polar flicker
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Yo guys, been away from an year from wow and I decided to come back to classic - I chose my retail diehard spec - arms but I am getting really confused how to use slam during the rotation. Is it a filler for when I have nothing else to press or with the tier set bonus I need to prirotise it somehow.

charred wadi
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Wowhead guide explains it

hybrid iris
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landing a crit is so satisfying seeing the rage meter just sky rocket

fair thistle
#

Hi guys, anyone tested at almost bis gear fury compared to arms? Any thoughts on it?

mental fossil
wanton sigil
polar flicker
split urchin
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Does anyone know a good in depth guide on fury warr?

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Trying to improve but can't seem to find any like in depth guide :/

mental fossil
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What do you have problems with? Rotation? Gearing? We're in a harsh spot this phase but it will get better 😄

elfin spruce
split urchin
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So far and I wanna improve

elfin spruce
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Get some 245 ARP stacking going and shit on the meters

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Ping the captain, thems the smart one

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I just shit post and lament that I had to go warlock because I lost the roll

split urchin
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Wait what

split urchin
elfin spruce
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Are you in a guild?

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Or just pug

split urchin
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guild

mental fossil
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explain your rotation for us 😄

split urchin
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Since im the only warrior in raid, i try to sunder armor, but

I prepot potion of speed, go in use BT - WW - HS - (slam if procced) then i try to stance swap for rend and after that i start appyling sunder armor when BT and WW is on cd.

mental fossil
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I see, well are you soft capped and expertise capped?

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tbf, only use HS if you are over 50rage and BT and WW is on cd. I mostly never use Slam proc unless im rage capped xd.

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so yeah, priortize HS over slam (for now)

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thats how I do it though

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but you do the right decision to apply sunder armor but I wouldnt waste my rage switching to bs just to rend. but hey thats me

split urchin
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Yea i should be hit and exp capped

mental fossil
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we´ll scale better when we get more armor pen gear, its just that we´re not very good atm

split urchin
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I guess Precision doesnt show

mental fossil
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yea it doesnt xD

split urchin
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But im 100% sure i fuck up somewhere cuz sometimes im rage starved

mental fossil
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thats the thing, its easy to rage starve if you spam HS

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always prioritize BT and WW over hs and slam

split urchin
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During lust tho I should be able to spam HS tho?

mental fossil
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yea you can

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just have a goat eye on your rage

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when you get your hands on grim toll, it will help out aswell. (ive lost it 2 times now)

split urchin
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How much will it help

elfin spruce
split urchin
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ppm?

elfin spruce
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Proc per minute

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A % that is normalized based on attack speed

split urchin
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aaah oka

elfin spruce
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It also has a ICD to limit it's uptime but ARP is such a force multiplier for fury, getting that big chunk is pretty crazy

split urchin
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okay awesome

keen otter
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Y’all getting grim toll got my hit rating way way way too high

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I’m like 8% now not including precision

elfin spruce
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I mean if your fury hit still has some value after 8%

left void
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Mortal strike glyph or heroic strike ?

mental fossil
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Pve, id go MS

split urchin
elfin spruce
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GrimToll can drop from multiple bosses iirc

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so much easier to obtain.

split urchin
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Yea drops from 4 different bosses, just asking cuz i thought it was the upgrade by far. Managed to get one in last raid, so havent tried it in raids yet

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Hopefully i get grim toll on next reset

elfin spruce
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yeah BOH is your BiS

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get a 2nd one for fury

rancid crypt
#

hi guys what spec should i level as for fury warrior in wrath from 71-80 🙂 ?

rancid crypt
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anyone ?

wispy tulip
somber notch
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but 2 entirely different item slots

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so you cant really say its better

split urchin
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Yea okay

woeful quartz
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I have 2 betrayer and 1 grimtoll but my logs at the moment are too Bad

wanton sigil
mental fossil
wanton sigil
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Bloodsurge proc> ww> bt

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Cause you may lose a proc

mental fossil
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dude, you dont use that instant slam if you BT is up

wanton sigil
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Where did you get that Info?

mental fossil
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where did you get yours?

wanton sigil
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Classic warrior theorycrafter

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And Sims

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What's yours feelcraft?

mental fossil
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yeah "sims"

wanton sigil
mental fossil
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each their own I guess

wanton sigil
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What's your source ?

mental fossil
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warcraft tavern, old videos etc

wanton sigil
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That's why it took months to clear content for them

mental fossil
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months LOL

wanton sigil
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Numbers don't lie

mental fossil
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so you would rather take a wet noodle slam then a nice juicy BT crit?

wanton sigil
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You do whatever you want. But don't spread wrong information

mental fossil
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but hey, slam does some decent dps later on when our arp gets up alittle bit

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"wrong information"

wanton sigil
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What's up with armor

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Bt ignores armor or what

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No it doesn't

mental fossil
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man do you read what im saying or what?

wanton sigil
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So why would you care about slam with armor pen

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if its useless anyways

mental fossil
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because it ignores armor

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and thats when armor pen comes in handy for us

wanton sigil
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Lmao yeah bt will ignore armor as well with armor pen

mental fossil
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no shit dude

wanton sigil
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You literally saw the reason

mental fossil
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no

wanton sigil
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You may lose a cast

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That's why you prio slam

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in execute you replace it with execute cause it's more dpr

mental fossil
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each their own dude, I wouldnt waste a BT over a darn wet noodle slam atm

wanton sigil
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Okay don't

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But do not give advise to ppl then

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i understand about rend cause you may fuck up that for a small gain .

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But basic prio order

mental fossil
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each their own dude, you do you.

wanton sigil
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Pls save your unproven opinion

mental fossil
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im not the only one around here that skips slam.

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just saying

wanton sigil
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That doesn't make wrong things right

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So better tell ppl to go dedicated classic warrior discord "fight club" to dive in more information

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i suggest you to do that as well

mental fossil
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why couldnt you do just that yourself? o.O.

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anyhow, ill enjoy my irish cofé have a nice saturday!

woeful quartz
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Could you booth post your Patchwerk logs than we see what’s the better choice?

keen otter
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^

warm plover
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Just go and check top10 fury warrior patchwerk parses and see what guy is doing... You can see precisely what spell is cast in which second.

wanton sigil
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you can just search on wlogs

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its there

compact thicket
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I understand the reasoning for prio’ing slam there, same reason you prio execute over everything as arms including TFB procs, and cancelling Bladestorm for SD procs. Essentially if you use Overpower instead of SD, that Overpower could potentially proc an SD.

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For example, TFB and SD proc at the same time. You use the SD proc first. Then the TFB proc. That TFB procs a second execute. Vs using the TFB proc first, which procs SD, which you already had available anyway. Basically in the first scenario you could Execute>Overpower>Execute, vs the second where it would just be Overpower>Execute because you wasted the first SD proc, so you only get one Execute out of it.

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Haven’t played fury so I don’t know how much what you guys were talking about affects the dps in the rotation but I understand where procs can be prio’d and the reasoning for that

elder falcon
#

Weird question but i see a lot of people starting to use Haste pot over the armor pot as arms. Is that to get more crits = more Deep Wound dmg? Or what’s the explanation behind it

compact thicket
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The ideal scenario is drink an armor pot 1 min before fight, pre pot haste pot, then haste pot again when it's off cd

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but armor pot is getting nerfed so

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I think the idea behind haste pot is faster swings = more crits = more rage = more HS/slam spam

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to answer your question

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cuz otherwise haste is garbage stat for us

dawn pivot
#

hey quick question

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when I use heroic strike

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do I have to wait for the hit to land before using another ability?

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like blood thirst

wanton sigil
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As arms or fury ?

wanton sigil
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But casting slam unqueues heroic strike so you must queue it again after casting slam

lucid forum
#

As arms PvP should I gem for strength por Arp??

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Or*

desert fractal
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Strength

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Arp next phase

elfin spruce
desert fractal
#

Oh yeah

compact thicket
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Anyone know what pot we'll be using after the armor pot nerf?

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We could still pre pot it and have roughly ~97 AP for 2 minutes of a fight or do we pre pot the haste pot and then drink another haste pot a minute later?

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Unless all potions are on a 2 min CD - but it didn't say that in the notes

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Anybody tested that yet

desert fractal
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Unless you’re shooting for 100% parses it doesn’t matter

forest ibex
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Or ask fight club

elfin spruce
forest ibex
split urchin
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How do I make sure my weapon swings are out of sync as fury and and why is it exactly i want that?

unborn bronze
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download swedge timers

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its basically a swing timer, you can see if both your weapons are hitting at the same time

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you dont want your attacks synced bc of munching

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it will register 1 deep wounds tick instead of two

split urchin
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I downloaded swedge timers now but it isnt showing when im logged in? @unborn bronze

unborn bronze
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you may have to go do interface and add ons and mess with the settings

split urchin
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Aah it shows when I have an attackable target, but can I get it to show all the time?

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Figured it out thanks :D

fossil copper
#

That means I would need a BoH and a Jawbone to optimize this?

unborn bronze
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or you can desync with a macro

vale stratus
#

anyone have link for prot Warrior revenge build?

woeful quartz
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@unborn bronze

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/cleartarget
/targetlasttarget
/startattack

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That’s the Marco you want

unborn bronze
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yeah thats the one i use already

rancid crypt
#

Will fury warrior become better then arms warrior in ulduar ?

tight flame
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Yes silver they will be

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I have a question related to gems. im finding information that STR, crit, arp are the good onces but they are situational like how can i find out wich onces to gem? like is it smth like if you have 30% crit dont gem more crit or smth?

compact thicket
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With the gear updates from ulduar I wonder how far that will go in terms of fury actually seeing the top of some dmg meters.

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Guildies been meme’ing on warriors all P1, I’m ready to start meme’ing them back.

elfin spruce
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STR is the go to until you can reach high amounts of ARP, with the higher ilvl in ulduar chances are warriors will be fully gemming ARP coming out of ulduar

tight flame
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@elfin spruce Aight thanks for your answer. What amount of crit should i look for?

elfin spruce
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Fury around 30%, arms benefits from higher, but generally you're going to ignore socket bonuses and only use Crit gem to activate meta. Or if you're really low and flurry drops

tight flame
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alright cheers mate

rancid crypt
#

is it any useful weakaura for rotation for arms or fury warrior 🙂 ?

elfin spruce
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Less than 5 buttons...

coral aurora
#

Hi, anyone have a link of bis list for fury with Eightyupgrades?

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On the PTR right now and I'm missing hit with the full Bis list from wowhead.

desert fractal
desert fractal
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that doesnt show on the cahr sheet

rancid crypt
#

is it any useufl weakaura or addon for fury warrior rotation ?

charred wadi
sharp marsh
#

Which one is better crypt fiend or armagedom?both have berserk, is worth to change with black ice or with another armagedom( Black ice is on my bag) i never see the drop on kel´thuzad axe (10m and 25)

coral aurora
vale burrow
#

do i only want roughly 4 % hit as fury?

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thats the bis gear on wowheads stats

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so if i have 141+ hit im fine?

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oh ok precision

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im guessing the last .70% is from the draenei?

charred wadi
split urchin
#

Im told polearm works if u have in in Main hand? @charred wadi but that shouldnt matter since our BiS weapon will be the 2handed sword since it gives arp?

charred wadi
#

the bug fix should be you cant use polearm or staves anymore when dual wielding

elfin spruce
hybrid kettle
#

I noticed that. I just put Zerking on a Cryptfiend's bite last week and had to switch to JB/Death's bite on the PTR. Praying for a BoH tomorrow 🥲

elfin spruce
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Tfw my guild just gave a boh to a paladin

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Made me cringe

tight flame
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i cant wrap my head about something. As fury i got armageddon and colossal skull-chad cleaver. i have armageddon in MH and collosol in OH. Now my expertise is 22/27 cause im a orc. Should i gem expertise for the 6.50% for my mainhand and overcapping my OH big time or just put collosol in my MH and arma OH

hybrid kettle
charred wadi
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ill guess as fury its gonna be worth for your MH to not eat dodges but no need to guess 😉

tight flame
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Thanks cruise 😉

mighty willow
#

Hello. I'm about to hit 80 with my freshly squeezed warrior in wrath. What is the most efficient way to earn good enough gear in order to raid as tank?

elfin spruce
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Naxx 10

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Can buy the crafted shield, run heroics

mighty willow
#

What is the ideal gs in order to start doing 25 mans?

grand topaz
elfin spruce
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As long as you're not hateful tank on patchwerk

mighty willow
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1970?

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or ilvl?

elfin spruce
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197 ilvl

mighty willow
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ah ok

unborn bronze
grand topaz
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Fair enough thanks for the info!

placid scaffold
#

For me armor pen gems sims almost the same as str but str still wins

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And that is with the armor pen cloak and grim toll and maly boots

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So i wouldnt gem arp

elfin spruce
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74% ARP is where it will start passing STR iirc, although that could be wrong since that's what I remember from togc back in the day

forest ibex
unborn bronze
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Ive found some gear sets that sim around 9600-9700 and they sim more with all str gems then gemming to armor pen soft cap or trying to hard cap. When i was simming toc gear i started seeing armor pen valued more. We will see when some official bis lists come out.

wanton sigil
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https://wowsims.github.io/wotlk/warrior/#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

wanton sigil
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Bis set is not yet decided tho

unborn bronze
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Alot of sims people are using are simming at 180s, that one is for 150. At 180 that sim comes down to 9700-9800

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I got a similiar sim as you with some of the sets people were linking in fight club when i switched to your settings

wanton sigil
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That's not mine. Just got top one from fight club discord. They all use the same combo for comparing sets

static shuttle
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Does anyone by chance have a BiS for Prot Warrior for Phase 2 Wotlk?

snow jolt
unborn bronze
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i think its much better then p1 lol

tight flame
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I see you guys talking about the chat in fightclub discord with sims but i dont see any discussions there how come?

split urchin
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I don't see the chats either @tight flame no clue how to fix it

wanton sigil
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Leave it, rejoin maybe pop up will tell you what to do

tight flame
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Oke thanks

robust loom
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hi guys is it better to quest as arms fury or revenge prot from 72-80 ?

narrow spire
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UA build felt pretty flawless while lvling up in northrend, I guess as arms you are unable to chainpull big packs without downtime

robust loom
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what are the UA BUILD

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i am confused

wanton sigil
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Unrelenting assault = revenge

bronze topaz
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Playing Fury. Having issues getting BOH, Just no luck on drops for it. I got Black Ice the other night as it was going to be disenchanted. I currently Have Inevitable Defeat and Skull Clad. SIM is showing Black Ice being higher In my main hand with inevitable in off hand. Does anyone play with Black Ice and is it worth the cost of Berserker to drop Skull clad for it? Or should I just hold out for a better weapon?

vast quarry
bronze topaz
vast quarry
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You won’t be able to use them at all is what I’m saying, the bug is with being able to use polearms in general. In wotlk titans grip was originally just two handed axes swords and maces, and they will update that with next patch

hot sluice
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question for my fellow zug zugs
does sunder armor being 20% armor pen stack with player armor pen rating
as in
as a warrior if you have 5 stacks of sunder
do you h ave 30% passive armor pen?
i assume not or hardcap would be super easily atainable next tier

wanton sigil
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Even with hard cap sunder or expose is dps gain

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Cause there is armor which you can penetrate with arp

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There is armor which you can't so you drop that armor which you cannot penetrate

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Otherwise you would hit exact numbers to lich king and random boar in front of org

hot sluice
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Yeah for sure

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I ran a bunch of gear setups with the updated ilvls for runestone

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Soft cap is incredibly easy to achieve with a huge amount of crit and strength gemming as well

forest ibex
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You can reduce it further with shattering throw aswell- at least on warmane

hot sluice
forest ibex
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They do not

hot sluice
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If it stacked that way hardcapping armor pen early would be an absolute joke for every class

forest ibex
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It does

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An individual player

hot sluice
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Hm.

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Interesting

forest ibex
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Can only reduce a boss’s armour by 75%

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With geared armour penetration

hot sluice
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In ulduar it’s extremely easy to achieve hardxap if that’s the case

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Cap*

forest ibex
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75% = 1400 flat

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So you still need to get 1400 arpen to have 100% of your 75% boss armour pen

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Not counting battle stance

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Understand?

hot sluice
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Armor pen rating is 13.99 per %.

1400 / 13.99 = 100.07%.

So no. You take 10% off from bstance that drops you to 1260.

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Then if you guys are saying sunder and fairie stack, that’s a total of 35% passive armor pen you don’t need to gear for

forest ibex
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25%

hot sluice
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10% from bstance + 25% reduction

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That’s 35%. Simple math

forest ibex
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Ok yea

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What’s the argument

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I’m telling you how boss arpen works

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For everyone

hot sluice
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So that means you need 885 rating to hard cap at all times. That’s what I’m getting to

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That’s massive for dps warriors to hard cap next tier for huge DPS.

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Couldn’t achieve that till ICC originally

forest ibex
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I think

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You still need that 1260

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If you’re going to be in battle stance

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A player can only penetrate 75% of a boss’s armour- so to get that much, a normal unbuffed character would need 1400 armour penetration

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Fairie fire and sunder stack on the boss

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They are not part of your personal armour penetration

hot sluice
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Right that’s what I thought

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The 1260 I’m 99.9% confident is the true cap

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Was just a thought I had so wanted to ask

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Soft capping with runestone is the play then for sure

unborn bronze
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should def sim it

forest ibex
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^ 1000% yes

real radish
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Hello, for rerool war tank what weapon is the best ?
Have a good day ❤️

plush burrow
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Hi - anybody have a good weakaura recommendation for swing timers? im sorta new to warrior and believe theres an optimal time to queue up heroic strike/cleave ... right? im probably not optimizing. any tools to help with that?

unborn bronze
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there is an add on called swedge timer

copper seal
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What BIS-list are you going with as Prot and Fury? Seems like they are still figuring it out 🙂

bronze topaz
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Is there a classic armory? A way to inspect players outside the game? I know you can see gear on logs but not gems and such.

long agate
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Will we still be using rend in ulduar and forward?

wanton sigil
elfin spruce
unborn bronze
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4 set with hm leather legs and double voldrethar will most likely be bis

broken sierra
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Hi guys, what sim do people tend to use in classic? (I only ask as I don't think "raidbots" is available on classic?)

bronze topaz
broken sierra
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Ok thanks,

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According to the sims, are warriors really that far behind other classes?

bronze topaz
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Only thing lower than warrior is ret

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Arms is bottom

broken sierra
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Indeed

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Even ret simmed for 6k ish,

bronze topaz
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But it’s all relative, if you are in a top end guild you will notice otherwise if you are a decent warrior you will still do just fine and pull you weight. But it’s very gear dependent

broken sierra
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I know what you're saying, for sure. I feel like I'm playing well, but still find myself at the bottom of the dps pack during raids

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Quite difficult to know whether I'm getting everything I can out of the class and I'm limited via scaling/ gear etc, or I have some shortcomings with my playstyle.

bronze topaz
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Just the way it is for warriors right now, I don’t find myself outside the top 5 for pugs but in guild runs I’m usually still top 10. And I am in a super casual guild.

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Just keep trucking, warriors will be untouchable come TOC and literal GODs in ICC

broken sierra
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So I am told ahah

bronze topaz
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I was watching my old ICC HM kill videos and I was top dps even on heavy movement fights like professor

broken sierra
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Another quickie. Jawbone vs Skullclad for arms? (If using jawbone, naturally I retalent for 15% ArP)

bronze topaz
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What race are you?

broken sierra
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Hoooman

bronze topaz
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I would go jawbone

broken sierra
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yay

broken sierra
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Are swing timers still relevant, in say a slam rotation?

bronze topaz
broken sierra
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Same for arms?

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I was under the same impression; not as important as it used to bne

bronze topaz
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When I played arms early wrath I didn’t use one and I have a few 90s logs as arms. But I don’t know if I was suppose to be.

broken sierra
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Ok mate, thanks for your help 🙂

visual siren
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whats better for UA warrior tanking? Greatness str or agi

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can't seem to find a conclusive answer but the top patchwerk parses are split between both

sour sable
visual siren
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thats great - spot on

unborn bronze
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Only reason to go ua really is to parse

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Prot is so much better at everything else

wanton sigil
long agate
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Any presets up for the sim site yet for fury?=

bronze topaz
# wanton sigil 🙂 wanna bet ?

Have I missed something? I have seen nowhere that it’s going to be any different from the first time. if anything dps will be even higher.

wanton sigil
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there are like 3-4 classes looks better then warriors (with smourne) on single target

bronze topaz
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Warrior was top dog with Shadowmorne in OG wrath. and unless something drastically changes I don't see that being different.

wanton sigil
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i meant fire mage affli lock and unholy dka

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They will still be on top sadly

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We can pump on lich king p1

placid scaffold
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for the top dog specs in ICC its going to come down to ur guilds kill times more than anything else

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certain kill times will favor other specs

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and ofc the fight and # of targets

elfin spruce
unborn bronze
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Yeah in icc fury can finally compete but thinking we will blow the other classes out of the water is unrealistic

elfin spruce
unborn bronze
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Yeah this is not the same as original wrath, you can look at the potential sims now

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Original wrath dks were using 2h weapons

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We are not simming over unholy dks in full bis icc gear even with shadowmourne

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Maybe if the fights are more geared towards fury but still not enough to say we will blow them out of the water

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Original wrath dks also didnt have the knowledge of snapshotting gargoyle also, dks are getting pretty crazy with the theory crafting

elfin spruce
unborn bronze
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The sims are at 2 and 3 mins

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And its still close enough that there will be no blowing out of the water

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As i said before, most likely the better player will be top in your raid now where as before it was only the uh dk

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Sims are sims, you can believe what you want though

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Sims take into account scaling, original wrath the only sim was landsoul’s spreadsheet for warriors, now there are sims for every class

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Its not the same game as original

simple nymph
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is 6.22%(204) hit rating enough for a raiding-prot warrior. or should i try and push push to 8%?

elfin spruce
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Probably fine at 6, I think I have 4% and threat isn't a issue

simple nymph
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Nice, i probably lost a bunch of mitigations going for 200+ hit rating. i should try to find a balance

steel gale
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Yeah once you get a few solid pieces of threat gear like the Maly pants or chest from Heigan you can avoid targeting hit altogether and you’ll be 7+ for hit and exp.

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But with threat redirects like tricks, etc you can ignore hit and exp and you should be fine. Depends on your group objectives more than anything

elfin spruce
unborn bronze
elfin spruce
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You're right Garg's didn't snapshot until 3.3...

unborn bronze
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but even blizzard saw that UDK was the best class in the game right now and was going to scale more then any other class

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even with this change they are prob still going to be number 1 though, they were still like 2k ahead in sims in icc gear and the PTR is not saying anything about nerfing army of the dead, so that will still snap shot

worldly narwhal
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hello

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can u link me bis list for pvp and pve phase 2 pls?

simple nymph
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If my understanding of my research is correct, i should be crit-immune with these following defense + resilience?

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vast quarry
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5.6% is the magic number

simple nymph
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Yes, that i am aware the needed cap. Is it as simple as 5.48% + 0.16% = 5.64%?

oak grove
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Little question
If i want to raid as an Arms Warrior, what ist the best talent Pics ?
Right now i Play my own Thing but i feel somethinf isnt right

vast quarry
green violet
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Hey, so my expertise is 26, rating is 171 and then in brackets (+20 expertise). My question is, is the bracketed number already added in to that 171, or am I actually on 191?

tiny rain
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Noobish war here. Thinking about swapping to prot and mostly dungeon leveling through WOTLK. Are these sweeping strikes/revenge builds I see viable? Gear dependent? I’m in questing greens from leveling. Should I do this hybrid spec or just go deep prot?

vast quarry
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You might as well try out the UA spec. I leveled as ua on launch and it was fast af but I had the best gear sunwell had to offer. The spec is gear dependent as it requires mitigation to proc revenge, but with enough mobs and shield block you will be fine

tiny rain
vast quarry
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Deep prot is going to be superior in basically every way if you are in a pumper group making large pulls. In a group of shitters / playing the game “normally” UA will be better

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UA or prot will be be very strong if not the strongest try them out, both specs very fun and different

cursive ermine
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Hey guys, have had a break since SoM and was thinking about leveling my warrior 60-80. Which spec do u guys think is best for leveling?

hidden thistle
urban idol
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hey, are there any "simulation" for p2 woltk BIS?

vague pagoda
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Yes

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@urban idol

urban idol
jagged saddle
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😂😂

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Prot should still be viable?

elfin spruce
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Sure

unborn bronze
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Bis list is on wowhead now

oak grove
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Thank you

hallow shard
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Is there a discord dedicated for just classi?

elfin spruce
noble token
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Anyone know if this talent changed? Guildie could use polearms yesterday but not today?

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or was it just a polearm bug that let you equip but it wasnt in tooltip

astral bone
oak grove
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Maybe a Patch bug which Got Fixed quickly

elfin spruce
brisk blade
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Ya no more polearms for fury

tawny nest
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<@&257983573498265600> sus

river hinge
elfin spruce
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They've literally been saying for months it's a bug...

river hinge
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it seems pretty easy to fix the second they realise this after launch tho

elfin spruce
broken knoll
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If i run my current gear in a sim i do about 5500 dps. I if i change my weapon enchant and all my gems i reach about 1200 arp but produce about exactly the same dps in the sim. Is this possible or is something wrong with the sims?

wanton sigil
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You are probably doing something wrong

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Check rotation settings or buffs

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if it's correct. Don't bother with simming just get items 5500 is less then P1 pre raid bis.

thin marsh
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Hey guys! Big question. How viable would it be to respec 2 points into the disarm talent tree talent to get 10% more damage? Specifically, I am a prot warrior off tank raiding Ulduar. I have noticed a lot of the bosses can have disarm used on them, but don't actually get disarmed. I figure maybe it'd be worth it for them.

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I haven't been able to find any reddit discussions on it. Just a post or two from 2009, but they were just complaining about how it sucked with no raw data.

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Wouldn't 10% damage extra from all sources be insane?

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Finally found a reddit post talking about it, but possible bad news?

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Not sure if they meant that most bosses can't be disarmed or if the effect doesn't work on them.

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Guess I'll check when I get home in 8 hours

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And this comment from 09 is saying it does work.

median gale
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Vold or dark edge for arms?

forest ibex
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Too bad they forgot about prot warrior from swp-> icc

solemn citrus
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what are you getting with your conq badges first?

unborn bronze
broken knoll
unborn bronze
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have you tried simming stat weights? does armor pen sim higher then strength yet? if not, its prob not worth it

north wolf
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guys what build is better? wowhead or ice-veins?

unborn bronze
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For fury?

robust loom
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how do arms warrior scale in ulduar toc and ICC ?

unborn bronze
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arms will get worse compared to fury

dusky yacht
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Fury rotation prio is WW>BT>Slam!>Execute right? Switching from Arms this phase and getting conflicting sources

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some say Slam!>BT>WW>Execute but that seems wrong idk

dusky yacht
dusky yacht
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When I prio WW>BT while simming I lose like <0.5% total dps, which is relatively insignificant but still surprising

wraith thorn
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anyone for pvp?

unborn bronze
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execute phase bt> ww >exe

bold patio
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any prots looking to wear 2pc prot + 2pc dps?

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playing pretty casually so without hm loot it seems like the play

unborn bronze
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there are several ulduar pieces that dont even have defense on it so you have room for sure to wear what you want but i think that depends more on your raid and how good your healers, etc are

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casual, i dont think they focus on damage as much as speed runners would

bold patio
unborn bronze
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yeah then go for it if your healers can heal you

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my experience hasnt been good with me try harding and everyone else in the raid being super casual so good luck

compact relic
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Hi all - I'm planning to start dungeo with my girlfriend at lvls 60 and 61 (warrior / pally) - anyone have a good warrior build?

compact relic
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nvm found a build online - have a good night!

bronze topaz
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Anyone know what weak aura is showing this rotation. I have a link to the video but didn’t know if we could use let it here.

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bronze topaz
unborn bronze
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yeah, str sims higher right now

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even if i reached soft armor pen cap, str sims higher then arm pen by alot

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i dont think armor pen will sim higher then str gems until togc

bronze topaz
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I thought as much thanks for confirming.

unborn bronze
bronze topaz
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Is it something he shares? Like can I download? I don’t think my rotation needs much help but knowing the best time to stance dance for rend is nice especially on high movement fights.

unborn bronze
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oh for that there is a weak aura in fight club

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its a really good one too, and there is a macro posted there to stance dance rend

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that is what i am using

wanton sigil
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but it shows the button your pressed. Not the one you have to press

faint drift
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Default UI should bring up a separate health bar for a focus target right?
Mine doesnt and I can't figure out what's suppressing it.

lilac tendon
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isit worth gemming expertise in blue sockets to reach 6.5%? sitting at 5.25% atm.

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as fury

forest ibex
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Sim it bruthah

native crag
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Anyone have a link to fight club discord?

wanton sigil
gleaming folio
sonic moss
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Hi , guys where people sim , for classic , i can test gear updgrades there?

unborn bronze
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on the left choose warrior

sonic moss
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Thank you

rigid valley
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when leveling 50+ do we still rend?

elfin spruce
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Sure

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If you're arms you'll always rend

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If you're prot, revenge should be almost 1 shotting mobs

forest ibex
elfin spruce
forest ibex
cedar scarab
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Anyone running 2 x 2piece as fury in phase 2 by choice?

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assuming 4 pc not available yet.

unborn bronze
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choose what sims the best for you

sterile shard
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to hit my exp softcap in wrath, i would need to regem all towards exp, (losing all my str gems) is it worth it?

wanton sigil
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You should sim yourself anyways

unborn bronze
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everyone's gear is different, sim the different gems to find out what is best for you

cloud badge
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yo any reason on why i feel my basic attacks are not landing on vezaxs? im like super rage starved and i have the hit and expertice cap. i position myself behind the boss leaning in between the left leg and the tail, so i dont have the front of the boss on me when he turns around to throw the thing for casters.

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is there a special way to position oneself?

wanton sigil
unborn bronze
plush burrow
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Hi - having some confusion around hit capping... after picking up some of my new pieces i realized i was dropping pretty low in hit so i tried to gem back up to 8%. this seems like a LOT of hit gems - am i doing something wrong? you want to get up to 8%, right?

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https://wowsims.github.io/wotlk/warrior/#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

cedar scarab
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8 percent overall. don't forget about any/all of the following factors - racial weapon specializations, presence of draenai in group, your own talent points being added into precision. I aim for 5 percent basically.

atomic root
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Does anyone know if there is also a weakaura for the warrior like Fonsa's next action button for the death knight? Which tells me which ability I should do next? Have sometimes really problems which ability I should do next for maxdps.