mop-discussion

[forest solar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855124022487154718/999964420090384424/IMG_7637.png

[molten kestrel]

how affects the +5 axe skill from orcs to game? is reall that good? or i can pick another race

[cursive horizon]

For wotlk coming as an arms warrior. Does slam still reset the auto attack swing timer? meaning we're weaving slams after autos

nvm i found my answer, if those had a similar question for slam the answer is it doesn't reset it as it does now it just delays it slightly while casting pauses the auto attack timer

[lapis gate]

So what would guys recommend for leveling 10-60. Fury or Arms (TBC server).

[median gale]

Typically I do arms 10-20, then will swap to fury if I get boosted through DM to get 2 cruel barbs, then I'll swap back to arms for WW axe and continue with arms to 52. Then at 52 I'll buy 2 Krol Blades and level as fury until I get a decent TBC axe.

It's not the most efficent way but it's the way I do it

Issue is if you PVP with fury you tend to get clapped

[median gale]

Not if it's instant casts IIRC

[mortal jasper]

I got a dilemma. I got ragesteel shoulders+gloves and rep honored blue helm as fury - Soon with badges and arena points i can either go 2x badge weps (fists) but then i loose exp cap (got shard tho) or i stick with my current weps (heartless from za and 1.5 vengeful offhand) and remain exp cap and buy 60 badge shoulders and vengeful head. What do you guys think? id hate to "waste" points/badges on the wrong items

[sour sable]

exp cap doesnt really matter at all its just a matter of buying the biggest upgrades

[molten kestrel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjgdF1d17FE&ab_channel=WowItsHard
this video is pure gold.. so true and fun XD

[acoustic scarab]

Does the new xp buff make a big difference to levelling now?

[charred wadi]

Yeah it’s 50% more gains

[queen spindle]

It does big time

[steady jay]

Good Morning. Is there somewhere I can more easily find an arena partner?

[sweet mantle]

Any thoughts on if I should stick to being arms@45 or switch over to fury?

[rich glade]

Any active wotlk content?

[rich glade]

Fight club looked like it stopped at t5

[rich glade]

All dead I see. Warlock disc is thuper active

[noble saddle]

So i just got berserker stance and I was wondering if I should use that or keep using my battle stance

[south raven]

Anyone know if its still worth chasing glaives? Or just wait for TG to drop?

[median gale]

Personally I think if you can get glaives then go for it for the cool factor.

Otherwise take it easy before naxx

[charred wadi]

Fight club has wotlk discussion and p5 tbc, wdym???

[rich glade]

i don't see any disc talk about wotlk like i do in other class discords.

[pulsar burrow]

Every warlock spec is being considered one of the best dps in wrath. Prob just more ppl who will re roll

[charred wadi]

Literally Multiple channel for Best check again 😂

[charred wadi]

Play some DK build if you wanna top dick. Wlock won’t be that good in comparison, shit doesn’t live long enough for dots

[rich glade]

That’s weird, this is all I see….

Yup even left and rejoin, I don’t see that channel

And I see why, I didn’t read the bot channel info

https://tenor.com/view/wedding-crashers-will-ferrell-what-an-idiot-idiot-stupid-gif-5175269

[pulsar burrow]

Nope, not even close to what I was saying. I was just offering a reason lock disc is popping off. I’m sticking with my warrior tyvm

[odd fractal]

Hey, anyone planning to duo/solo lvl utgarde keep in wotlk? what kind of gear are you planning to run in your prot/arms spec?

[sharp lintel]

I'm level 16 and barely starting Ghostlands

[fossil nest]

https://tbc.wowhead.com/item=30009/the-burning-crusader https://tbc.wowhead.com/item=25762/honed-voidaxe#comments

Just hit 70 and looking to go into PvP, which weapon should I grab?

[charred wadi]

doesnt rly matter, you want to get an epic 2h asap so what you use in the meanwhile makes little to no difference

[severe geyser]

Any alliance players on the pagle server wanna help a fellow warrior get the whirlwind axe?

[modest escarp]

Levling a Warrior with a pockerhealer all the time, whats the fastest specc for it?

[vague pagoda]

Arms

[charred wadi]

Fury

Sweeping strikes is the reason you blast so whatever tree has it

[celest oyster]

Hey, is Prot viable in wotlk? ^^

[real spade]

Yes

[sharp lintel]

Of course it’s viable

People are so hung up on how “tanky” blood and prot paladins are but then Naxx hit beta and lo and behold nothing actually hits that hard outside of patchwerk

So really you’re just looking at like hysteria from blood and the utility from prot pally as the only reason you’d really care that much, but tbh shattering throw is actually probably better than hysteria anyways for your overall raid dps

[dawn pivot]

Does missing attacks/generating rage get better at 70 with better gear?

Because right now I feel like it's hard to get much rage

[charred wadi]

yeah better gear will improve rage gen

[forest ibex]

Missing attacks gets worse the further your level is from your target. Also your missing will become worse as you level because your flat hit rating will be worth less hit %. Warrior bread and butter is crit, windfury, and haste procs(dst, glaive, lust). So the more of those you get the better your rage gen will be

So a level 70 attacking a level 73 is going to need 142 hit rating for 2h melee or 1h/2h yellow attacks to guarantee not miss(can still be dodged, maybe parried, maybe blocked, and white hits can glance)

Dodge and parry can be reduced by expertise which is basically works the same as hit unless you’re a tank then it’s 2x value of hit until softcap(6.5% dodge reduction) which is all the dodge bosses have but it is not hard cap because boss parry is ~14% so after expertise softcap a tank will get equal value out of hit and expertise

[light forum]

are 2 dragonstrikes better than 1 dragonstrike and the merciless offhand sword?

[forest ibex]

Why merciless???

Just get s3

Also use tbc sim for that 100%

Dstrike and s3 offhand is quite good

[light forum]

What is the name of the s3 one?

[forest ibex]

Vengeful I think

[light forum]

That costs arena points tho

[forest ibex]

Even after s4 came out?

[light forum]

Ya

[forest ibex]

Then do arena

[light forum]

XD

[forest ibex]

Or sim

Because s2 oh vs 2nd dstrike oh are bad options

[long agate]

Anybody know of somebody has made a leveling guide or the like for WOTLK? That goes over optimal paths for reputations as well

[forest ibex]

And war will feel sadge

[long agate]

if*

[light forum]

Ok thx

[vague pagoda]

WAnt my rep guide?

Get friendly with any of them and spam dungeons with tabard

[kindred sparrow]

Is Spirit an ok stat for warrior in classic?

health regen out of combat seems like it might be ok, i know str stam is ideal but like, i shouldnt just completely ignore spirit right?

[placid scaffold]

spirit is pretty good for leveling in tbc and vanilla

its nigh completely useless in raids

[forest ibex]

Warrior does have the best hps:spirit ratio but they also don’t have mana for it to regen. That said you want to minimize your mob attacking time as a warrior so I wouldn’t recommend spirit at all. Probably more like str>agi≈stam>armor

This is for if you’re willing to also keep some bandages, food, and health pots on hand which anyone bold enough to quest on a warrior should

[elfin spruce]

First aid is your best friend

[ebon arch]

Hey will be leveling on a fresh server as prot..is there any guide about weapon progression someplace? Playing tauren

[teal salmon]

Anyone figure out if when prepatch hits if gearing for Titans Grip will be viable?

[vague pagoda]

@ebon arch sword from rfc, then a 1h from wc

Then sfk

Etc

[warped garden]

So will i not be able to get my berserker stance/whirlwind axe solo? Im on the chest piece level 28 quest and my server is dead, and I have no friends who play wow so Ive been unable to get into razorfen to get the last quest item for the chest

Any help?

[elfin spruce]

Early wow was very much about collaboration

[charred wadi]

Sadly you'll have to make due

[vague pagoda]

A dead server is a curse, transfer.

[light forum]

not sure if there is a definitve answer but which dps spec is gonna be the best at the start of wrath for pve content?

[vague pagoda]

Spellhance

[mossy patrol]

Hi, I'm looking to play wotlk with prot warrior in horde side. Any suggestions which race would be the best for pve tanking? Thinking between tauren and orc

[mental fossil]

doesnt really matter tbf but if you want to minmax id say tauren for the extra aoe stun and extra hp 😉

[mossy patrol]

thanks, yeah I think I'll have to minmax since reputation on prot warrs in wotlk is kinda sad lol

[ebon arch]

Thanks for the response! I am mainly solo speed leveling on my own so was sorta looking for non dungeon weapon/shield progression

[vague pagoda]

Just quest in barrens, some upgrades here and there

The traveling vendor from xroads to rachet has a 1h sword or 2

iirc

[warped garden]

So Im pretty new to Wow classic but am i the only one who thinks overpower is fucking useless?

Its only usable after a dodge which, i never get to use overpower because my enemies never dodge

Is there a talent that allows me to use it more often orrr is it just a useless ability?

[vague pagoda]

Soon

OP can proc from rend in wrath

[warped garden]

Oh hell yeah

[vague pagoda]

Just think of it as a nice bonus when you miss

[real spade]

when ur using 2h and get the talent with 50% bonus crit chance on overpower its actually pretty nice

you'll get on a point where enemies do dodge your abilities, and then itll be a really strong attack

Definetly will be a stronger spell in Wrath

at rank 3, its a 100% to proc

so basically a free overpower every 6 seconds

[vague pagoda]

It's disgusting in pvp

[elfin spruce]

Stacking sbv with arp prot in wotlk pvp, can't wait

[forest ibex]

Don’t forget fury slam procs too ^^

[knotty nexus]

any wrath theorycrafters?

[elfin spruce]

Suuuure I did math back in 2008

[warped garden]

Ive been really having a hard time with talents, not really used to classic quite yet

Is this a decent arms setup?

[elfin spruce]

For pvp?

[warped garden]

Pve

[knotty nexus]

Nice! Than you can tell me whether incite is worth taking for phase 1?

[elfin spruce]

Not for DPS, prot has a bit more wiggle

[untold shore]

Looking for insight on building threat on mobs and even staying ahead when main tanking bosses. Currently finding out that using more dps gear has been helping but let’s talk about rotation typically I charge > thunderclap > shield slam> devastate > revenge shield slam > revenge on cool down after that tab target same rotation if I am pulling multiple mobs Cleave sometimes but I find to targeting deals better threat. All of this and keeping battle shout thunder clap up Any thoughts or rotations you guys wanna jump in shed some light what works for you

I’m also moving most mitigation gear off for threat gear using 3 pc brutal so I get some chunky stats and the resilience is nice

[elfin spruce]

In tbc tanking multiple targets is legitimately tab sunder spam cleave

It gets easier in wotlk

[untold shore]

That’s gonna be nice

I’ve never played wrath

A lot of warriors talk about “snap threat “ anyone wanna break that down for me ? Is that pop a dps trinket cd tab target with a shield slam ?

[elfin spruce]

Snap aggro is being able to really frontload threat so a DPS won't pull it off even if they engage at the same time

[forest ibex]

Cleave is awful for threat, prio is mostly ss>hs>dev

On bosses and heathy mobs tho you want to devastate to 5 stacks of sunder tho because it makes all your other abilities much stronger

Tclap is ok early on a pack or for reducing damage on a boss

A big help with snap threat is berserker rage pre pull

Also let me see talents

Also I never charge 99% time there’s no need to be out of defensive stance

[forest ibex]

Depends on the content and on your healers. At the end of the day prot war threat never scaled enough for black temple bis gear and sunwell geared dps doing their rotation correctly

I had full pvp, tank, and dps gear I would mix and match for raiding and different fights

Can’t miss revenge procs, and can’t be too low on rage when ss comes off cooldown (usually when tanking trash mobs they die so fast I just ss the first kill target and then dev/hs spam on the others)

If you have a crazy pumper group in a dungeon u can kind of get away with tclap, warstomp, taunt spam, and ss on barely damaged mobs

But at the end of the day unless you have a coordinated group, there will always be a mob chasing a caster on 3+ packs… and it’s tbc so u may be undergeared and miss/parry/get dodged on your important ss casts

So that being said make sure you have intervene on a comfortable bind

Most dungeons are ~30 mins so also keep challenging shout on CD if all your other tools (taunt, intervene, ss) are down since you’ll be able to get a few off per run, and there aren’t really THAT many packs that will require a challenging shout

[untold shore]

Great insight thanks guys

[forest ibex]

u ever going to show me talents?

[forest ibex]

Yeah that’s good

Agility food and agility elixir will go a very long way too

[stiff rune]

can someone help me im new to warri in tbc. Lvl 40 atm, in wich spec i lvl and by using which weapons?

[warped garden]

Is this polearm better?

[charred wadi]

swap 1/3 shield mastery for 2/2 taunt. its just qol having 8s taunt, dungeons especially

[frozen harbor]

Hi there!
What's your recommendation for the weapon to buy with honor pts for the pre patch, knowing that the mace and sword specs are not as good as in TBC and that the s4 two handed axe has no strength (and that the skin is hideous :D)

As an orc arms warrior pvp

[elfin spruce]

As an orc, the axe

1 the expertise still counts, 2 the AP equivalent is fine, 3 crit spec still boss.

4 it's getting replaced shortly into wotlk

[frozen harbor]

thanks!

[mental fossil]

no

[warped garden]

What should i change about it?

[sharp lintel]

@elfin spruce

[tall token]

Folks, how hard is heroic 10 or heroic 25 in WOTLK compared to like, retail content?

[humble solar]

i solo both in retail, no problem at all

[real spade]

😂

[hybrid cargo]

Has anyone looked at pre-patch glaves specs

Super excited to play around with it I was just curious if anybody else had any thoughts of non-Titan grip specs for pre-patch

[light yacht]

WOLTK raids are not hard compare to retail at all. Naxx is a joke, you maybe need to do a bit more than classic or tbc but nothing crazy.

[hybrid cargo]

I remember no light in the darkness and Algalon being no joke at the time

Will probably be the first sweaty encounters

All of naxx will be a joke

[light yacht]

I mean at the time, but all fight are Min max to hell with many guides. You won’t need to farm@consumables like in classic Naxx that’s for sure.

[hybrid cargo]

Oh for sure, things get so much better for us in wrath just overall

[elfin spruce]

Yogg and algalon are the first fights that will be comparable to modern mythic

Togc is mostly about stacking the right comp

[tall token]

I see I see

Thanks!

[elfin spruce]

And algalon is only hard because of the insane healing and DPS check, mechanics wise he's pretty simple

Dude hits like Bruce Lee in the hulks body

[tall token]

We have some top world mythic retail healers in our retail core and some other folks that just want to play wotlk because we think season 4 is shit
So based on all that was said here, I think we'll be just fine lmao

[elfin spruce]

Yeah way more guilds Will be getting their titans title

The real challenge is getting immortal

Naxx 25 full clear, zero deaths

[tall token]

Oh that sounds fun

[elfin spruce]

Did you get drunk and roll a character on classic

[livid fulcrum]

hey guys, quick question. Which abbilities should I buy and level up from 1-70? As I belive some of them wont be needed on arms warrior, might be wrong tho D:

[forest ibex]

Lmfao

You need every ability

You should have a tank set on your warrior even if you play arms

[sharp lintel]

Drunk? No. Getting ready for Wrath? Yes.

[elfin spruce]

I didn't roll a warrior this time

Might boost one in a week though

[light yacht]

@livid fulcrum I think WoW head has a decent article on what to buy while leveling to save gold. But you will buy everything eventually.

[real spade]

You should atleast get every ability rank 1. But some abilities are just not worth upgrading early on if you're short on gold.

If you google something like abilities worth uprading warrior tbc

It should pop up

[livid fulcrum]

yeah I have looked up tbc warrior guid on wowhead as Zehedz advised, found everything I needed there, thanks lads!

[dawn pivot]

should i look to wow head, icy veins or someone who can share a prot warrior leveling build?

[prime merlin]

can any1 help me with my classic fury warrior?

[dawn pivot]

Is weapon swing timer something that still gets used in wotlk?

[elfin spruce]

Iirc yes for arms

[short hawk]

Can anyone help me with some macro resources or guides for tbc classic/wrath classic for fury warrior? Most of the ones I have found have been mostly just start attack macros but I was under the impression for optimal play I'd need to macro stances and such. Any help is appreciated

[dawn pivot]

@elfin spruce So Fury and Prot do not really use it then?

[elfin spruce]

Prot never uses slam, fury gets instant cast slam proc iirc

I mean if you're jousting it can be handy, but optimizing slam casts was the primary use of swing timers... cancelling hs as well I guess for that janky mischance thing too...

[dawn pivot]

Good to know, rather not use wst if I dont have to.

[forest ibex]

That has been depleted for years there is a weakaura used now

It is in the fight club arms channel

[light yacht]

@dawn pivot leveling as Prot from@1 is not adviced you can tank as arm just fine. I would use wowhead personally for tbc

[bleak torrent]

I have a question for those who played a fury warrior back when wrath originally released. Was having ARP on your gear and gems even worth it prior to 3.3? Is it better to at least get as much as you can or not even bother and go all STR gear and gems? Has anyone tested this on the beta?

[elfin spruce]

Always get what you can

[forest ibex]

ARP has a soft cap around 700 where it will become better then strength, so you typically don’t gem arp until you can get past softcap

Doesn’t need to be tested, it is a sim question that is answered on 100000 warmane forums

And why would anyone who played when wrath was originally released know much about arp softcaps and minmax’d gear progression

[elfin spruce]

I just remember grinding grim toll

[unique scroll]

yo, titans grip available in 4 days (prepatch)?

[fiery ferry]

Fury will giga suck til toc dont get baited

[elfin spruce]

Yes

[sand token]

guys where is easiest way to level up weapon skill ? probably to go afk or watch some yt...

[forest ibex]

Right outside the dark portal there are level 50- something mobs that never die

You pull one into a corner and afk attack it depending on your level/ spec

https://youtu.be/SHxX0xDTd1U

Make sure you get some green intellect pieces and a mage buff before you go, you will level your weapon skill much faster

If you can stack enough intellect, you can actually just go to rfc, or stockades and run through swinging at stuff

Also get a gray or green with the shortest swing timer you can find

[thorny mesa]

any one there

[sand token]

thanks mate, geez is so consuming 🙂 349 > 350 especially

[forest ibex]

Yes that last level sucks but if you have a insane amount of intellect it will be quick

[dusk vapor]

new warrior - is it best to get the get bs 1h maces now or just farm raids for 2h fury

[vague pagoda]

You can get S4 gear in 4 days

Just farm honor then

Well, start farming now

[dusk vapor]

should i get the 2hs from there instead

[vague pagoda]

Fury isn't very good until icc iirc, so just go arms

Dunno how they are in prepatch

[dawn pivot]

fury takes off with full bis icc

[charred wadi]

buy s4 2h axe come prepatch (this tue if na, wed if eu) its like 19k honor. axe is better regardless of race. for fury weapon type doesnt matter and for arms axe spec wins.

solo questing arms should be best choice and arms is most likely best dps spec for warrior in p1 raids

for prepatch raid shenanigans like talent buold suggestiions and more check the wowhead wotlk warrior guides. they are excellent

[elfin spruce]

Takes off is an understatement, it's competitive in bis ulduar gear, it absolutely destroys every other class in icc

Idk if people are basing the fury performance on the 3.0 data, since back then tg had another 5% miss baked in on all attacks

[charred wadi]

Grox sim tool for wrath is out in alpha status so there is no reason to feelscraft. Just put in gear, config and see what it looks like at different gear lvls

[elfin spruce]

Yup, I'll be honest, I'm a traitor, went druid for a change of pace, I also like healing but don't like paladin and at least as bur I have a rage bar

And feral has been fun on beta

[forest ibex]

The double maul on trash with full dps gear on is pure pog

[elfin spruce]

I used to "dual main" war/shm to scratch the healing bug, but probably won't have time to play that much

[forest ibex]

Yeah I’m just making a toon to play with a bud extremely casually here and there, I don’t even know when I’ll be 80 by

Went too ham on classic/ classic like private servers the last few years

Will probably have a priest I was thinking

Can’t transfer my Tauren warrior with BT/sunwell gear to my buddy’s setup on alliance

[elfin spruce]

Ynot

[forest ibex]

Not yet at least

[elfin spruce]

Faction change is a thing

In wotlk

[forest ibex]

I thought they weren’t adding it on release for classic

[elfin spruce]

Could be a delay I didn't see

[grave bobcat]

hey ,I know this probably has been asked a lot of times but I didnt see any pinned messages, what would you say is the best spec to level right now from 1-70 if I want to be mostly questing but being able to tank some pre-tbc dungeons?

[elfin spruce]

Starting tomorrow, prot

Wotlk prot while leveling can potentially out dmg fury/arms while taking very little dmg

Doesn't matter much prior to 40 though

[warped garden]

Does bloodthirsts healimg ever become

Not bad? XD

[forest ibex]

Yeah In retail

[late loom]

I'm seeing 2 specs for pre patch on wow head one for titans grip and one for deep wounds with 1 handers anyone know what the go to will be or is it super gear dependent I have t5 two handers but murumasa and mounting vengeance for one handers not sure what to go and might have raid like right when servers come back on any suggestions:)

[charred wadi]

gut feeling is muramas/mounting vengeance and deep wounds build vs t5 two-handers but s4 two-handers are 19k each and honor gains are upped. you might just go for those? in which case i think tg wins. but like raids are getting an across the board 30% hp nerf and we are gaming with 3.3.5 class balance. shit will melt so optimising for 4 weeks of gameplay is not time well spent. @late loom

[late loom]

yea definitely not worrying about it to much got a dk to lvl hahaha but which spec would you recommend slapping on if id have to hop right into a raid the deep wounds 1 handers or titans grip?

[charred wadi]

like i wrote, probably the better weapons which are your swp 1handers. main benefit of 1hr in tbc is they have juicy stats whereas 2hs tend to lack stats. 2hs have their weapon dps though but if your best 2h is from t5? then id wager muramasa/mv is what you go for. once again, wowhead wotlk fury guide covers it. there is a section about prepatch gearing 🙂

[narrow spire]

Can we have a little moment for our good friend? Goodnight sweet prince.

[glossy grail]

On a fresh prot warrior in pre patch does anyone recommedn any specific pvp peices ?

[odd fractal]

Is it worth to run 2x brutal axe 2h as orc fury in prepatch even tho it has AP and not STR?

[errant heath]

Any wep macro for 2x 2handed brutal weps that work

equipslot does not go well with identical weps

[sharp lintel]

@elfin spruce sheeeesh dude prot is sllllaaaaammming on prepatch

Absolutely nuts

[elfin spruce]

I know I leveled as prot

Back in worlk

[elfin spruce]

Stack sbv get autoblocker and one shot people in wsg

[hollow ocean]

you guys regemming all str since the scaling with imp zerker stance i guess eh

[elfin spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/di-caprio-godo-beffa-ghigno-gif-20251254

Fury in prepatch

But yeah str scales great with sbv

[lucid halo]

did you figure this out? i want to farm s4 gear but unsure how to gem/enchant it to ensure revenge procs happen all the time - there is very little/no avoidance on the gear itself but I can gem for defense/dodge

[forest ibex]

U Don’t really need dodge, and don’t need defense for leveling (a full set off pvp gear should make you crit immune) so you should go some combination of hit, Stam, and strength

If it were me I would go all strength unless I’m getting wrecked by the dungeon mobs(which certainly should not happen) or missing a lot

Enchants you go mongoose on weapon and strength/hit/Stam on gloves, boots, wrist etc as needed

Make sure you remember Stam for shield too

[lucid halo]

@forest ibex awesome, thanks!

[elfin spruce]

Shield block will force revenge alot

[forest ibex]

Yeah pretty much all the time

The 2x sunder glyph is awesome for dungeons too

Same with the glyph that reduces shockwave cooldown

[elfin spruce]

Best part of prepatch, warriors start with 2h now.

[charred wadi]

60/40s cd for 10s

[charred wadi]

Not worth. Stam is waaaaaaay better be it raid or dungeon group or dungeon solo. Your not lacking dmg. You just want a bigger hp pool to either pull bigger (if group) or chain pull more (if solo) with one hp bar.

[charred wadi]

Depends on what you are aiming for? I assume not raid tank since Unrelenting Assault build is trash for boss tanking. If its for like a proper 5man dungeon blast then full S4 is perfectly fine as either UA or deep prot build.

But if your looking to solo Utgarde Keep its not good enough. You'll be taking a lot of dmg. Full pvp set offers 6 sockets so thats 60 defense or other combo of gems. Resilience does nothing, armor pen does nothing. Crit is ok but not enough to compensate a substantial increase in dmg taken. If your looking to farm/boost people in Sethekk you might be able to pull it off.

In general str is dogass to gem/enchant as prot. You want stam everywhere.

[lucid halo]

it's definitely more of the "solo Utgarde Keep" - not necessarily full send with the spec but what is my limit with brutal gear? can I easily two/three man the dungeon with a healer?

[charred wadi]

I mean if you got 1-2 lads with you there is no limitation 🙂 S4 will only feel limiting if you properly expect to solo it 🙂

[lucid halo]

okay that's fair - do you know brutal gear is a better option for this than say prebis tanking gear? trying to figure out how to best focus my time

[charred wadi]

Its gonna be impossible to beat the efficiency of literally every slot pvp so if your limitation is time then concede the pve choices and just settle for pvp setup. As I mentioned it is perfectly adequate if you are doing 2-3+ man shenanigans for 70-80 lvling. Honor you can do solo and requires no setup. Anything else requires substantial effort.

You can build a pretty good "budget" setup if you collect badges but that requires you running basically every raid possible for every reset left and and hopefully picking up some value pieces a long the way for free. I mean I didnt check the math on potential of maximum amount of badges left to earn but if you play around on eightyupgrades you can see the prices.

How worth is that effort for almost no difference? Its also basically just SWP pieces that are truly interesting with a couple from BT I suppose. Pugging is also volatile. Depending on who is in the group and what the loot rules you could be cucked expecting to get loot that 2 weeks ago was completely free as tank.

[lucid halo]

awesome, great information - thanks

[tidal vault]

So guys what would be the best talents progression for prot warrior in wotlk a Unrelenting Assault Spec or a Normal tanking ?

Doing dungeons and questing ofc

[charred wadi]

UA is good when you fight like 2-5 mobs and can secure revenge proc every 1s. It demands a bit more on gear to have high avoidance. You could pull more to create more opportunity to proc with less gear but that also means your taking more dmg but your dmg effectiveness is limited to 2-3 target cleave. If your gear is lacking then go deep prot. Wont matter when doing quests and is more versatile for 5man. On the flipside, we got dual spec now so why not setup both and try both out? 🙂

[tidal vault]

Yeah probably i will go UA since i'll be doing quest and 5-man content

[charred wadi]

Deep prot does not lack in aoe department, thunder clap only suffers less dmg on >20 targets and shockwave has a 20s cd

[tidal vault]

And go dual spec

Deep tank

[elfin spruce]

Couldn't take the anemic bur damage grabbed my classic warrior and just oneshotting mobs with revenge such joy

[forest ibex]

Why would you gem all Stam when the wotlk dungeons are meant to be run with tempest keep dungeon blues, and most have full brutal gear. Might as well push damage and get some extra sbv for the many small hits you are taking in the dungeon or for questing

The healer is going to need to heal more the more you pull no matter the size of your health pool

I could see Stam stacking for solo dungeons maybe though

[charred wadi]

doing 10x8 str equals 40 more block value whereas 8 stam gem is 1200 hp. you are not lacking in kill speed. pull bigger if you aren't losing hp. thats how you go faster. no copium amounts of added dmg via str is gonna solve that. swapping a trinket is a way more efficient way to gain 1200 stam worth of dmg.

[forest ibex]

Copium added damage via strength

It is not copium it is real numbers

If you’re not dying you want to be doing more damage

[charred wadi]

If you ar enot dying you arent pulling enough. Back to warmane forums lad

[forest ibex]

Wtf

There are limits to mana and dps aoe

U realize ss in the only thing that doesn’t scale off attack power

That means shockwave and tclap and revenge will be hugely juiced

1200 hp isn’t true make or break of pulling an entire room

It is pull route and comp

[charred wadi]

1200 hp vs 160 ap / 40 block value / 50 ap contribution to revenge

its pretty clear a trinket swap will do more

[forest ibex]

Then run str gems and dps trinkets

If you are crit immune and close enough to hit cap you go damage

There’s no tank buster you have to live through lol

[charred wadi]

ya dont need crit immunity in dungeon

your saying get crit cap but also admitting no tank buster [in dungeon]

[forest ibex]

Crit cap is something else

[charred wadi]

2head gamer here, no need to discuss more from my pov. agree to disagree 🙂

[forest ibex]

I mean you can be close to crit immune

Every level you will be further away

With the same gear

Crit cap has nothing to do with tanking

And a “tank buster” can easily be magic or blocked so Stam is typically the best way around it, none of which you’ll be dealing with in a dungeon

Also how can you say “you are not lacking in kill speed “ you are always lacking in kill speed if the mobs are not being killed in one global on pull , and the same goes for tanking, if you are not dying you are not lacking defenses

[forest ibex]

And if we go waaaaay back you see I recommend at the own player’s discretion

[dawn pivot]

how would u level a warr now in the prepatch? prot? and is there an easier race to level? wanna get to 70 before wrath drops

basically the most optimal setup for leveling a warr

[charred wadi]

Way revenge is feeling I would just go sword and board and rush UA talent from 1-70

[elfin spruce]

This

I dusted off my 45 war just to see how the lower levels are and prot can snag groups of mobs and just shred them while laughing off hits

[lucid halo]

yea revenge spec is so bonkers, definitely recommend

[raw vapor]

so with pre patch on the wing, which is the better dps spec to roll out with. i have some sunwell and brutal gear?

[elfin spruce]

Protection

[blissful mantle]

So I just hit 67 in nagrand, is it worth finishing up the quests there or just go straight to netherstorm now?

[warped garden]

Im a human arms warr farming out brutal gear. Should I get the axe for the 5% crit? or get the mace for the expertise and armor pen?

[charred wadi]

Axe spec beats racial

[warped garden]

even for pvp?

@charred wadi

[charred wadi]

Yeo

[warped garden]

man thats unfortunate lmao

s4 axe looks ugly asf

[warped garden]

dont warriors rely on armor pen a lot in woltk though?

[charred wadi]

Axe is 5 flat crit and 5 crit dmg

I mean you don’t pass on the crit dmg meta either

[glacial fox]

there's a switch from Crit to Armor Pen for Warriors somewhere late in Ulduar / early TOC depending on your drop luck, and whether or not you get the Runestone from Thorim. We then hard cap Arpen with DBW and have to start watching gear so we don't waste stat budget. Arms switches earlier than fury thanks to Battle Stance. But for Tier 7, it's hit cap, exp cap, and crit all the way

[vagrant frost]

What is the gladiator build for WoTLK I keep seeing mentioned in game? Google search just brings up an old stance that isn’t in game anymore

[elfin spruce]

Prot hits like a truck in wotlk

[vagrant frost]

Yeah I’m enjoying it and I found the build they mean. It’s an arms/prot hybrid build that utilized big revenge hits to solo 2-3 dungeon mobs at a time I guess. I’m just going to stick deep prot spec and play it out I think. Interesting build though

[glacial fox]

Since I haven't seen it posted anywhere in this thread, I'll try and summarize the axe versus sword versus mace thing. I haven't found the wrath EJ archive like we had for BC, but they did the definitive work, and it's absolutely Axe > Sword > Mace. Roughly speaking
axe = 3.25% damage (50% of 5% + 5% of 5% of 50%)
Sword = 3% damage (10% of 60 swings per min x 30% of total dmg) Sword spec can proc off anything, but only procs white damage, and white will be roughly 30% of damage for arms
Mace = 2 - 2.25% Damage (ignored armor is a really complicated calculation, but IIRC, is was about 2.25, without racial); the human racial is worth .75% dodge, bringing it close to 3.

While I don't know exactly what the breakpoint is when comparing across weapons of different ilevels - to be simmed for classic - the reality is there are axes or polearms off every end boss in every tier, with interim stage axes from earlier bosses. So axes will be your go to choice from heroic dungeon blues all the way to Shadowmourne

[tribal burrow]

Are they going to give prot blood and thunder midway through wrath like before?

[mental fossil]

Thats cataclysm, not wrath.

[vague pagoda]

Blood and thunder made my small wiener the big wiener

[tidal vault]

Hey guys got a question the talents Cruelty benefits the crit chance of revenge?

revenge?

[mental fossil]

Ye ofcourse

[tidal vault]

i tought it was only the autoattacks

[charred wadi]

Global crit

[final smelt]

any guides for wotlk prepatch ?

[charred wadi]

Wowhead guides are excellent

[inland gust]

yoo, i have an boosted warrior from TBC. Is there any content for leveling 58 ~70 with the WOTLK prepatch ?

[elfin spruce]

It's called "the burning crusade"

[dawn pivot]

The wowhead guide says to take points in upgrading rend yet the rotation guide doesn't mention using it, why's that?

[tardy narwhal]

what 2h should i go for after whirlwind axe? im currently 52

[warped garden]

Its good for taste for blood

[marsh fiber]

Anything that does more damage and is slow speed, just upgrade like normal until you’re 70 don’t worry about it too much

[rich hatch]

rend is biggest prio if you're running arms

tfb+bf+trauma

[cursive echo]

hey, is there an optimal talent tree to go when levelling 1-70 as a warrior in classic? I respeced to prot as revenge seemed op but im not sure if thats the optimal way

[rich hatch]

bladestorm big

[mental fossil]

Prot all the way

[quartz stirrup]

Prot, go to improved revenge ASAP. At 58 you can switch to arms/prot hybrid for even more revenge brokenness

Get glyph of cleaving, all talents that improve thunderclap, and mow down 3-5 mobs per pull in the speed of 1 mob in classic era....

[high ravine]

yooo! i bring questions about raids in WOTLK....
is there any logs from PTR?

arms or fury? im a bit out about LK 🙂

[bronze belfry]

Hey guys! If I’m a noob in the classic/wotlk field(i play retail a lot) would 2 and a half weeks(break) be enough time to hit level 70?

[charred wadi]

50% xp buff still up and running until northrend gates open september 26 so i think you can finish 1-70 in like 7 days without sweating too much

[quartz stirrup]

Oh yeah easy, levels absolutely fly, especially with a good guide addon it's a breeze now

Doing 30-50m levels at 35 now as a warrior

And I'm a slacker

[minor halo]

Do you just spec up to Improved Revenge and then jump into the arms tree? Or you do you commit to prot tree until you're 58?

[serene mango]

what resets the revenge cool down?

[charred wadi]

unrelenting assault talent in arms tree. doesnt reset. makes it 1s cd

[charred wadi]

i would go down arms starting from 1. you get too much juice from arms tree

alternatively, start with prot to get improved revenge and shield mastery. since you can get both of those at 23 already whereas to reach unrelenting assault you need 46. can also do one or the other and just respec when you've gained some levels. i am fairly convinced it wont matter too much. like, is it bigger to have revenge cleave early on or get sweeping strikes to cleave, with a glyph to boot? shield spec and parry talents are same as its another 5% to proc revenge. arms does have imp charge for more rage but prot could pick up thunder clap for a cheaper thunder clap that also adds to aoe dmg.

[minor halo]

I'm already lvl 33, and started in Arms, so I stayed with it. I've picked up Sweeping Strikes. I've just been going sword/board with arms spec. It's been working so far. If things go south I swap to defensive stance. Trying to figure out how to setup my bars, macros to make life easier though. Way different than live. lol

[gloomy wren]

Imo, 12pt into prot to get revenge dmg/cleave and TC crit chance, then arms until that part os filled out, and finish with the bonus defensive talents out of prot

[modern cairn]

whats the best wotlk endgame spec

fury?

for pve

[worthy thistle]

Does anyone happen to have a pawn string for the prot wotlk stat weights? I found an old Elitist Jerks document with weights but it was for tbc.

[serene mango]

fury is S tier in end end game

but for most of the game arms and fury are b tierish

[rich hatch]

ya they're both about the same the first two tiers

but arms brings bf and trauma for your raid

[bronze belfry]

Can i stay in character select after getting out of queue

or do i have to log into a character

[elfin spruce]

It'll kick you pretty fast

From character select

[lone minnow]

Hello for warrior prot à 70 you preffer fast or slow weapon ?

at*

[forest ibex]

Used to be fast, idk if it matters anymore

Because of wrath pre patch

[mental fossil]

Fast for threat, slow for more damage

[serene mango]

prot abilities are mostly based off attack power so fast is just better

and not weapon damage

[flat crag]

Is this prepatch event live with the rare that drops Arcanite Rippere?

[minor halo]

I believe so, yes

[short hawk]

Is there a bug that stops deep wounds from proccing? None of my crits are applying it to anything all of a sudden

[languid lodge]

Hi, can anyone tell me what brutal weapon I buy as prot?

[charred wadi]

axe

[charred wadi]

doesnt really matter now that threat is effectively non-factor. speed is only a way to dump rage quicker via hs which is usually only relevant in raid setting

[charred wadi]

check wotlk wowhead. they have a guide that explains the event

[tardy narwhal]

anyone good with macros?

[mental fossil]

Yh

[forest ibex]

Do you have it talented?

[elfin spruce]

Is it plugged in?

[short hawk]

Yeah I did I had to respec and just talent the same way and it worked

Not sure what caused the bug

[elfin spruce]

Do you have talent confirmation on?

[short hawk]

I'm not really sure what that is

So I assume no

[forest ibex]

Is your monitor on?

[elfin spruce]

Did you feed the hamster?

[real spade]

if your car filled up enough?

[elfin spruce]

Ah upgraded to a ratzen 7000 I see.

[elfin spruce]

Totally empty on headlight fluid, that's gotta be it.

[real spade]

damn yeah, the blinkerfluid

[heady cradle]

could anyone link me a chart on how to build a lvl 60 warrior for lvling?

I've heard about this prot/arms build

[worthy thistle]

https://www.icy-veins.com/wotlk-classic/warrior-talent-calculator#tc-11111555337889990004dcccccggiijjkllnppYYYXXZZZXX.__~~vvvxxxxX|0j1e3b4c

I’ve been using the icy veins build with revenge and heroic strike glyphs. Start in prot, then dip into arms. Been working great.

[heady cradle]

Do you usually AoE with cleave/shield then or go DW?

[worthy thistle]

I’ve been rocking shield and one hand since blocks proc revenge and that’s your major damage.

[heady cradle]

Awesome, will try it 😄

[worthy thistle]

👍

[elfin spruce]

Shield means you can pull big

[graceful bison]

is this build viable on a lower level character? i just started

do i just play 1hander shield

[ruby tendon]

it's definitely viable

you just want to go down prot first, which means that revenge cdr doesn't come online until quite a bit later

[ruby tendon]

Why HS over Cleave?

[elfin spruce]

That is a very good question and I think the answer is, no.

Been using a deep prot build and soloing some dungeons as I level up, zf at 50 wasn't bad

[worthy thistle]

I’ve mostly been soloing, so my pull size has been about two mobs. The extra rage from heroic strike is nice. If you’re more comfortable doing large pulls or instance grinding cleave would probably be a better choice.

[ruby tendon]

Yeah, I've been leveling a new warrior (faction swapped) since prepatch dropped, switching back and forth between arms and this prot build to see how they feel comparatively

Overpower glyph adding parry to triggers, sweeping strikes back, and TfB letting you flat out force overpower once you get there...feels really good too

[marsh fiber]

What weapon enchants right now for pre patch?

for armos

arms*

[rich hatch]

armor pen

[pine fern]

hey fellas. is there an addon that displays when u have a Bloodsurge proc? looking for something minimalistic, literally just pops up somewhere (moveable preferably)

[gloomy estuary]

https://wago.io/mzhhXrejH I use this wa, quite handy since it also has taste for blood and sudden death in case of going arms

[static hedge]

Hey! I was wondering what is the minimum gear for tanking in wotlk when lvling. i'm currently farming AV for brutal gear. can you tank early dungeons with brutal gear in wotlk or do you need some kind of deff rating? (new dinged prot war)

[elfin spruce]

I mean, you CAN tank dungeons in Brutal gear, but you're going to have crap for avoidance, so you'll get chunked, that being said, it won't matter a whole lot as you level

Unlike druids, sadly warriors still need defense rating.

However we hit like trucks even in defensive stuff so...

[sour sable]

Yeah you will be able to tank dungeons you will just need a healer which sunwell geared tanks will likely not really need until like 74 or so

I’m a feral Druid and we are just running me as tank with a ret paladin to heal with the instant flash of lights, should be all we need for awhile

[elfin spruce]

As alch/ herb I can heal myself using pots, the herbalism heal and frenzied Regen without slowing down much, bur is stronk

[charred wadi]

5/5 s4, weapon and shield are excellent choices for fresh warrior. you will lack avoidance but make up for it massively in stam, str and armor so it won't make a difference. if you are going for proper 5man or like at the very least liek 3man for wotlk lvling it is more than adequate. ideal would be to fill out the other slots with badge gear or raid drops but of course requires more investment. even if you start your northrend adventures with nothing but the firstmentioned pvp slots and quest reward greens on the rest it will be fine. northrend is designed to be done as lvl 68 cuck anyways.

[atomic geode]

I wonder how the tier list will be. I’m sure we will still be C tier Andys. I remember when WotlK retail came out, TG had a huge miss chance, but the xpac is starting without that thank god. I wonder if it changes tier at least a little better…but without all that armor pen dunno :/

[elfin spruce]

Fury is still very reliant on gearing so not really

[rich hatch]

Much better off playing arms for at least the first tier

[elfin spruce]

Gearing easier, provides raid utility

As long as the rogues are getting the 4% melee buff they won't care too much on how the disc priests are beating you

[rich hatch]

30% on bleeds too

[elfin spruce]

Feral thanks you for saving them a GCD, chances are most setups will be running a druid ot

[rich hatch]

prob

gonna be a lot of dk/pal duos so some 10 mans might not see a feral

[serene mango]

is questing the best way to get gold on a fresh server?

trying to farm out epic flying before patch

[marsh fiber]

Any arms warrior BiS lists yet for pre raid in wrath?

[elfin spruce]

Gonna be hard to do heroic mode when you need 5 healers just for that squishyedgeboi

[marsh fiber]

I read most top guilds running 3 healers

2 Hpally And a disc I’m assuming

[elfin spruce]

So that removes pal and dk from the tank pool

[proper cape]

Combat rogue gives the same 4%

Unlucky

[elfin spruce]

Won't assassin be the play until high arp though

[forest ibex]

Yeah if you have a warrior already you prefer Assa

I think you can play a haste/hit build for combat pre icc , post naxx, and compete but who cares about yellow names

[charred wadi]

quest the zones at 70 and do island dailies. if you can have a friend help you DE green boe items and flip that shit on ah. i reckon still plenty of fresh cucks pimping their pvp gear 🙂

[serene mango]

how long does a brutal set take to farm this weekend? might be worth it

[elfin spruce]

That is an answer with a lot of variables

[serene mango]

worst case

[elfin spruce]

All week

[forest ibex]

If you can log in

It will be quick just make sure you capture towers, capture hellfire towers, and do daily win

[south zinc]

So I keep hearing about the 75k honor cap. Is that the kind of cap where you can only earn 75k honor in the pre patch or can you only store 75k honor? If I get to 75k, but I spend 10k, can I earn 10k more?

[forest ibex]

Can only store 75k

Can spend infinite

you could buy your set 10x if you wanted to

[south zinc]

Thanks!

[upbeat pecan]

Hello fellow warriors, quick question - which one is better axe swords or maces ?

[elfin spruce]

For?

[upbeat pecan]

PvE

[elfin spruce]

......we have 3 specs

[upbeat pecan]

Oh arms

[elfin spruce]

But arms will use axes

[upbeat pecan]

I see thanks

[tepid sparrow]

how is fury vs arms so far in the pre patch?

[elfin spruce]

They're both great as long as you're geared

[dawn pivot]

Not sure if this is the correct place for the question but has any one tried out the hybrid revenge build? Even more so in PvP

[elfin spruce]

Yes, it's amazing vs melee

[rich hatch]

especially in rando bgs, most of these dudes just blow all their abilities facing right at you

[dawn pivot]

with brutal pvp gear and honor whats the upgrade priority list like?

if lets say all ur gear is garbage

fresh 70

[rich hatch]

prob weapon>5pc>jewelry>filler

ignore trinks

[dawn pivot]

ty

prot does crazy good dmg not gonna lie

[mental fossil]

Yeee, just wait until you get your hands on more juicy block value and arp gear 😉

[dawn pivot]

by weapon shield as well?

[rich hatch]

ya

[dawn pivot]

oh just went through some tooltips and things scale with block value

makes senes

sense

ty

[frosty schooner]

How is fury compared to arms ?

It’s the more dominant pve spec right

[mental fossil]

No, arms slam spec is good

[marsh sand]

is it faster to level 1-60 questing or dungeons or is it a mix of both likr spamming the scarlwt dungeons but quest the rest of the way

[rich hatch]

the time spent traveling/lfg isn't worth

[marsh sand]

ok ty

[nova kestrel]

prot in general is lowkey busted in pvp. Go deep prot and shield slam fools for 10k

[scenic kernel]

So, just boosted my warrior finally yesterday, havent really played warrior in like a decade now. I've got enough honor from AV to buy a weapon, or a weapon shield combo -- but most of my gear is still boost gear, would it be better to stay as arms, and get the weapon (I suppose 2h Mace) with the 19k ive farmed up now to keep farming, or should start getting the gear and replace the pieces wwith no stam first? (I eventually plan to tank on the toon)

[twilit oar]

what's the best way to gear up a boosted 70 for pvp?

[rich hatch]

by pvping

[dusk rain]

hey all, my buddy and I wanna go duo warrior to level in wrath.. is that a thing?

I know that revenge build is what most go, but that is contingent on getting hit, so both of us cant go prot. Just curious what yall would suggest in this instance.

[rich hatch]

full arms

[vagrant cape]

for lvling wrath whats better ? fury titans boi or arms spinny boi?

[mental fossil]

Prot prot prot

[turbid abyss]

Hm small stupid q, how good is warrior in wrath?

Like when does it shine

Or competitive

[mental fossil]

It shines when you know how to play the class properly

[turbid abyss]

well, i did play with slam timers and such

so thats not an issue

[rich hatch]

shines as in you can do decent numbers pre-icc

[solemn arrow]

hey guys, everyone is recommending axe spec for arms but i don't like how the pvp one looks. how much worse is the 2h sword for human?

[mental fossil]

well you lose 5% crit and gain a crappy talent :/

if you want look, go for mace spec then xD

[solemn arrow]

ah ok ty

ill just suck it up then the mace is just aite lmfao

[mental fossil]

I hate the look too to be fair xD

but it is what it is xD

[solemn arrow]

if i were to go mace is the arp even anywhere near close to that 5% crit?

[mental fossil]

to be fair, id go with axe spec

[rich hatch]

mace is arguably better early on for pvp

[elfin spruce]

Wat

[mental fossil]

doubt, you need alot of arp to make it work in the long run

[rich hatch]

what

[elfin spruce]

Arp is weaker at low % while crit is linear and good at overpowering resilience

[mental fossil]

this

[rich hatch]

in later tiers you have more arp available to you so there's no need for mace spec

[elfin spruce]

There never is

Axes continue to dominate the whole expansion

Obviously there might be gaps, like if you get your hands on yoggs mace

[rich hatch]

not really talking about weapon selection. axes are generally better throughout wotlk + axe spec gets the pick but he's talking about brutal and tmogs lol

there's some value in mace spec pre easily achieved arp cap

sword, not really since 6s icd + only white proc

[elfin spruce]

There is a breakdown there, in that the reason why you don't get alot of arp early in is that it's just not on the gear, then you're in ICC and swimming it

[rich hatch]

yeah exactly

once you're in toc/icc onwards, you prob don't ever wanna give mace a 2nd look

[elfin spruce]

So that 15,% isn't going to bridge the gap

[mental fossil]

wtb mjolnir runestone or grimtoll from naxx

[elfin spruce]

You go from having around 40% achievable to 100% between the tiers

[elfin spruce]

/tableflip Runestone is a myth, saw one retadin officer took it

[mental fossil]

no way!

just wait until you see rets running around with scorpion trinket kekekekek

[lucid halo]

i tried searching but didn't find anything in this channel - i'm interested in soloing the tiger mount boss in ZG - I'm in mostly brutal with one hander and shield and using the revenge/UA spec but unable to stay alive long enough - is full prot recommended for this? is that enough dps to eventually kill?

[torpid coral]

full prot bangs single target so just try it and ur prob fine

[forest ibex]

Pallys could solo it in tbc with some decent gear

I would probably wait until you’re a higher level though to solo the zg tiger farm because If there is no video of someone doing a run it is probably easier to just wait until you’re level 80

[elfin spruce]

Prot does horrible with brutal glad stuff

You've got no avoidance in that gear

[lucid halo]

Agreed! But it's the only gear I have as I leveled during prepatch - I socketed for avoidance and have a couple of kara tanking pieces to complement it but sounds like not enough

[forest ibex]

Going to need a full avoidance set for that kind of feat most likely

That or a full block value set

Would need to do some math to figure out what’s better/faster/easier to get

[lucid halo]

I see - might just retry at 80 - I’m guessing an arms build just doesn’t kill fast enough to avoid dying?

[mental fossil]

prot pal with seal of light = eeeez

[elfin spruce]

This is always the answer

Block is so stupid strong for farming old content

[forest ibex]

Yeah it’s op

[elfin spruce]

Iirc it's possible in za era items to hit full unhittable still by stacking block to the sky

It's what lead to the cataclysm roll revamp

Where we move to a two roll system for block

[forest ibex]

With BT bis and dodge gems and full raid buffs you can just reach unhittable by bosses

No block though

[elfin spruce]

Yeah, I just remember almost crying when I saw the za gear because I could wear tank gear and still get rage

Was too much avoidance by t6

[forest ibex]

Yea unfair af

Bear gets a full rage bar with a white crit at like 53% crit chance

We get… to be uncrushable to 1.5 raids of non crushing bosses end game

And to make sunwell prog easier lol

At least in sunwell with the -25% avoidance debuff I got a lot of rage again but even full hit cap, expertise cap and high cpm threat was still not great

[elfin spruce]

War should be fine now

[forest ibex]

It is ok in wotlk

I’ve heard less competitive as the tiers go

On warmane they have a myth that prot wars lose 90% armour randomly in combat

[elfin spruce]

It's enough that even in ICC on full burn my HS spamming arp capped fury warrior couldn't pull off of our warriors

[forest ibex]

Threat should never be an issue in wotlk because how strong misdirect and tricks is

As long as you are wearing gear of the same raid tier

Like obv a combat rogue tiers ahead doing their burst may pull

[elfin spruce]

LoL using tricks on the tanks

[forest ibex]

Misdirect still

It isn’t bad on pull either esp before rogues get the 2pc for energy on tricks

But yea a dps CD ofc

Also on trash as a rogue tricks is kinda mandatory on tanks

[elfin spruce]

Tricks and fan

[forest ibex]

Very juicy

[normal field]

Whats the best spec for levelling in classic? I'm level 33 and grinding harder than I should be

[elfin spruce]

Prot, tbh prot is the answer

Block and revenge is a match made in heaven

You can even macro swapping to a twohander when pressing revenge and watch mobs explode

[limpid tusk]

Woah I didn't know that was an option. I thought the trick was to wait for the talent in arms to reduce the cd on revenge

Altho I haven't really struggled with arms yet and I just hit 40

About to get the second pt in imp slam instead of MS

I need to grab a swing timer however

[elfin spruce]

Why reduce the cooldown when whatever you're hitting dies

[limpid tusk]

Should I just follow the deep prot spec then?

[elfin spruce]

Revenge legitimately one shots mobs into your 50s

[limpid tusk]

👀

Is that with the 2h macro swap

[elfin spruce]

Just leveled a fresh war to give 100% prot leveling a try

And no that's using 1h , some mobs live but a crit obliterates stuff

He's 57 and I'm still pulling 3+ mobs 3 levels higher

[limpid tusk]

Woah. That's awesome

I usually just pull one at a time

[elfin spruce]

Block is op for not taking damage

[limpid tusk]

I'll have to look on ah for a shield and weapon to give it a try.

[elfin spruce]

Put it this way, I leveled in zf from 48 to 53

Solo

[limpid tusk]

Teach me senpai

[elfin spruce]

Press block, press revenge, find more

[charred wadi]

Revenge does not scale with weapon dmg so 2h swap macro does nothing for it 😊 Its flat dmg + 31% ap

[undone rose]

is it safe to say as a casual player that wants to experience both pvp and pve, commit to arms till ICC tier then swap to fury (dual spec arms for pvp still)?

[forest ibex]

As a casual player you can kind of do whatever you want

Are you asking the meta? Are you only planning on buying one talent respec once over all of wotlk?

[undone rose]

meta enough to get into groups haha, happy to respec as and when required. Just seeing a lot of info about warrior basically being bad until ICC, and to play another class until then but I haven't got the time to level another class lol

[forest ibex]

You will have a raid spot in 10 mans at least

Even fury has a spot in 10mans without a feral

Yes warriors bring a lot to raid that you need

5% crit buff(if no feral) - fury
30% bleed debuff (if no feral) - arms
4%phys debuff (if no combat) - arms
Battle shout (if only one Paladin)
Commanding shout (if only one Paladin)
Sunder (depending on rogue situation)
Demo shout (if no bear)

[undone rose]

awesome, sounds like I have at least a chance then

I'll go with arms for now then, thank you for your help

[forest ibex]

Yeah just pay attention to the add phases in boss fights because that is where you’ll be getting a lot of your padding on the meters

Or be a hero on trash damage, raid leaders notice that

I would say arms is ok not bad, I could see fury being bad just because lack of rotational resources

[elfin spruce]

Hah ok I hadn't been doing that myself I was probably combining it with the overpower macros

Confusing with rather

[limpid tusk]

any recommendations for a swing timer?

[charred wadi]

WeaponSwingTimer addon is fine

[limpid tusk]

gracias

[limpid tusk]

Thank you for showing me the path to enlightenment. Atm my highest revenge Crit was 1766. Highest execute I saw was 1046 as arms. Revenge hits harder as a normal hit than overpower crit. It's so silly

[glacial grove]

Guys is deep prot or UA prot better for leveling atm?

[charred wadi]

imo deep prot

if were talking 1-60 stretch

[glacial grove]

Interesting, can I ask why?

[charred wadi]

I assume you want revenge to be your main button to mow down enemies. This means everything in fury tree is ignored. To get Unrelenting Assault in arms tree, so revenge gets a 1s cd, you need to be lvl 46. And to actually use it every 1s you need to be either blocking, dodging or parrying every 1s (puts pressure on gear) or pulling more mobs to fish for procs. Pulling more is a solution but that also means you will be taking more dmg (adds downtime) when your dmg profile is limited to 2-3 targets.

From my pov, up to 46, both trees will function the same, from revenge's perspective. It will have a 5s cd. So the goal is to figure out what gives more juice while still being able to use revenge asap. It only scales with AP which means it is weapon independent (other than whatever stats mh would offer). Revenge also shared cd with OP.

I think prot tree offers more. Arms has 5% parry which is mirrored by 5% chance to block, but prot also has an additional 5% dodge you can take while going further down the tree. So its another 5% chance to secure a proc. You can grab thunder clap to reduce rage cost and increase dmg which helps with aoe, you can spec revenge so it does more dmg and hits +1 target and you can spec 15% flat crit chance for cleave and thunderclap which also helps with your aoe outside revenge. The 15% flat crit is quite massive while leveling when your stats are in shambles. Shield Mastery talent also reduces SB CD to 40 so Shield Block has a 25% uptime isntead of 16% - a 56% increase. Shield Block makes you 100% block attacks for 10s which means if timed properly secures 2 revenges guaranteed on CD. All of this by the time you hit lvl 31.

On the flipside what does arms offer? Well, more rage via imp charge, deep wounds, crit dmg, some qol for stance dancing and later Sweeping Strikes. Imo deep wounds wont do much as mobs will die before it ticks and the dmg actually starts adding up, and it requires you to crit. Crit dmg is only good if you are critting and when you lvl your stats a low. Sweeping Strikes + Revenge is no doubt good but the question is if filling GCDs between revenges with thunderclap does the job well enough.

On top of this there is the qol of being able to dungeon tank way easier and some other interesting choices down the line in the prot tree. Like adding blanket silence to shield bash, grabbing conc blow as another stop, improved disarm. End of the day mobs die fast in the open world so I am sure it wont matter.

[glacial grove]

Awesome explanation, thank you

[elfin spruce]

Deep prot let's you Solo grind dungeon trash starting 40ish

Which blows questing xp out of the water

[limpid tusk]

What dungeon? I hit 46 last night

[elfin spruce]

Try zf

You do need some pots etc, and shit runs, but once you get the hang of what to stun and interrupt they fall over

[limpid tusk]

Hmmm okay

I'll prob go at 47 so I can grab last stand. I avoided grabbing it cause I was just open world levelling

[glacial grove]

Really? which dungeon would you recommend?

Oh just seen above haha

[elfin spruce]

Basically find whatever dungeon is a few levels away from going grey and go slap the trash, avoid shit that hits for raw magic though

Like slimes or elementals

[orchid wing]

Hey has anyone got any good weakauras for Battleshout? preferabley one that doesnt show when improves BoM is active

[minor shore]

i have one, its not perfect but will hide when you have either battleshout or blessing of might active

[vague pagoda]

I like how people leave before they can get any response

[elfin spruce]

My kid does that to me all the time "Hay dad can I take this change jar and get icecream"? *sound of door slamming and feet running

[forest ibex]

You can’t say no if he’s not there to hear it

[elfin spruce]

When you get 55 head to brd, the first areas with all the dwarves ez grinding

[mossy patrol]

hi, any idea why i can't learn revenge even tho i did def stance q?

[elfin spruce]

The defense quest is level 10 still right?

[elfin spruce]

What level are you

[mossy patrol]

51

[elfin spruce]

And you never trained revenge?

[mossy patrol]

nope

have it lvl2 at trainer, but in order to learn it I have to have lv 1

[elfin spruce]

I'd petition since it should just be there

[mossy patrol]

Aight, thanks

[glacial grove]

Any idea who much xp/hr it roughly comes out to?

Also this is a more pvp orientatd question, but how do I kill frost mages as prot?

[dire swallow]

Guys whats the situation for arms rotation atm with slam build 2hander, do you just rend slam and if like over 50 rage u HS too and when super overcapping rage you mortal strike?

[storm marsh]

Forgive my ignorance, but should I be leveling as fury if my gear is decent? 😅 . only lv 62 but have enough fel iron plate for the set bonuses. and a grunt's waraxe from honor hold, can also afford another to DW them. for a 2h I just have a green fel touched axe of strgth (+38 strgth)

[rich hatch]

slam build doesn't use ms

rend>op>sd proc>slam>hs after slam if high rage

[forest ibex]

You should be able to queue a heroic strike during slam cast

[rich hatch]

ya

[forest ibex]

But bis is prot spec revenge revenge revenge

[dire swallow]

isnt better to pump one MS over heroic strike if at 70 rage?

I go rage starve when i que HS and get back to back SD procs

[forest ibex]

You can also unqueue it during slam cast

But that’s a lot harder lol

[dire swallow]

is the HS glyph mandatory for this build?

[forest ibex]

That would’ve been nice to have for tbc lol

[marsh fiber]

Without bias, what’s the priority list for shadowmourne?

[cinder siren]

Fury>ret>uh

[forest ibex]

Then blood ^^

[whole moon]

Can any1 tell me why my auto attack takes a good 2-3secs before going off when I charge a mob? This is the macro I use #showtooltip Charge
/startattack
/cast Battle Stance
/cast Charge
/cancelaura bladestorm

I tried to put /startattack at the end same result.

[final smelt]

Does anyone know what proffesion would be best for a fury warrior in wotlk classic

engineering or blacksmithing ?

[marsh fiber]

blacksmithing and JC are the best i think

[rich hatch]

Engineering and jc/ench/bs

[cinder siren]

Try ordering them as:
Cancelaura
Battle stance
Charge
Startattack

Or leave startattack from that macro and add it to hs/bt/ww/ms and so on

[rich hatch]

Idk, could be charge canceling it or startattack not buffering when out of range

Adding it to all your rotational abilities is a thing

[whole moon]

aight will give it a try thanks

[mint cove]

prot warrior leveling which dungeons do u go and how long? as solo

[forest kettle]

hey im kinda new to tbc and was wondering what my hit rating is meant to be because im only finding stuff for level 80 on wowhead

[torpid coral]

6%

142 if you never want to rely on a boomy

[clever kraken]

once wotlk launches which will be the best 70-80 spec?

best meaning fastest

[tacit vessel]

i have the whirlwind axe, im lvl 43, when abouts will i replace it?

i just got the 2H sword from uldaman 'stoneslayer'

[knotty nexus]

Fury/arms will be the same speed

But PROT

revenge spec sitting in dungeons you’ll be 80 in no time

[cloud badge]

yo question

is it better the honor/arena wep the sword or the axe?

wowhead says axe for prepatch but sword has main stat and axe doesnt

its so weird

[molten kestrel]

can someone explain me please what means woltk will be released on 3.3.5 patch? will warriors be good from the start'

?

[cloud badge]

i dont think warriors are good because of 3.3.5

warrios in wotlk are good because of gear

thats what i remeber when i played wotlk

so the more warriors get gear with more stats (armorpen)

the best they are

thats why fury is op af with icc gear

as far as i remember

[charred wadi]

for arms you want axe so you can get 5% crit chance AND crit dmg... as titan's grip fury it doesnt matter but just grab 1x 2h axe so you have the flex of playing both specs if you want 🙂

[charred wadi]

depends what you consider "good", "competitive" or "viable" and whast type of guild you are in. you have some information beforehand and know the end result, pick accordingly. if your coming from retail it is almost a coin toss whether your favorite class will be "meta" any given patch cycle. that really isnt true for classic.

if you played classic and wanted to be top dmg you picked warrior. if you want to have the best dmg potential in wrath then i would suggest dk is the safest bet. in tbc the circle jerk beforehand was play hunter or warlock for top dmg and the raids were so melee unfriendly raids would implode if you brought more than one. that being said, warrior turned out to be competitive in t5 already and hunter fell off a cliff later. mostly due to warrior gear scaling and the fact 0 downtime class with cleave is pretty good when content is push over.

same will most likely be true for wrath classic. similar to tbc, p1 wrath is piss easy so why worry about minmaxing that shit and look what will be fun and good later.

[frozen dust]

Is there anyway someone could link me a guide on wowhead that can tell me what the best talents are for leveling as a warrior (or just a full leveling guide for warrior)? I couldn't find an up to date guide. I will be questing solo and running dungeons occasionally btw if that helps with which guide I should follow

[charred wadi]

wowhead.com/wotlk has a guide dud

covers literally everything, consumes, talents, prepatch for the last stretch of tbc, pre-raid at 80

[elfin spruce]

Just go deep prot, you get revenge at 14 and from there you're just going to murderball mobs with sword and shield

[frozen dust]

Thanks guys

[indigo sage]

Hello everybody, i have a doubt. Im finishing to farm the brutal gladiator set and im wondering if i should stick with the set and the b.g greatsword and lvl as arms in northrend or farm another weapon and lvl as fury. What would you recomend?

[rich hatch]

pls no fury lol

Get some avoidance gear and level as prot or just stick with arms and bladestorm everything

[elfin spruce]

If you haven't bought the sword yet, go axe

[rich hatch]

if you can manage a full set of good tank gear, you can solo level in dungeons

but if you're just starting now, might not be manageable

[molten kestrel]

will bladestorm get uncapped in wrath right?

[amber sinew]

any big bois i could ask a few questions about my logs some things i don't quite understand

[rich hatch]

@molten kestrel no

[indigo sage]

Thanks for the advice! I appreciate it

[indigo sage]

Is it much better?

[elfin spruce]

Sord has a ICD now

[molten kestrel]

will be leveling from 1 faster or slower after wrath? cause exp buff will disappear

[charred wadi]

i think you can figure that one out

[elfin spruce]

We already have the wotlk xp tables so when the xp buff vanishes it'll be much slower

[forest ibex]

Only 6 days):

And I could only log into benediction or skyfury like 3 days out of the 3 weeks they’ve had prepatch up

They should just keep the xp buff forever there’s nothing to lose

No reason to not continue to conform to private server standards like they have been doing anyway- it’s how people like to play their game

[elfin spruce]

Ugh yeah I need to belt out these last few levels in my warrior

Well the 2nd warrior

[urban sail]

I'm sure this has been hashed out in a thread, guide, or video somewhere... I'm looking for info on leveling as prot/revenge spec. I know I can solo utguarde keep for a couple levels, but I've heard mitigation falls off pretty hard as you level.

Can warriors continue to solo/duo dungeon level, or is that just a gimmick for a couple levels? If there's a guide or anything with specifics, please point me in that direction. I've been having a really hard time finding concrete info on this

[elfin spruce]

To 75 shouldn't be a issue

[urban sail]

Then the cheese is over? Back to 5 man dungeons or questions etc?

Can it be done in old kingdom? Should I switch over at 73?

[rich hatch]

you can solo DtK

[oak mural]

i have a question about which weapon i should use (out of the ones I have) as a deep prot warrior going into wotlk

[elfin spruce]

Why do people ask half a question in here all the time

[forest ibex]

Young noobs who have never used a forum

[rich hatch]

[gritty mortar]

hey dumb question sorry but can i get into northrend at level 68 when wrath comes out?

[charred wadi]

yep

[elfin spruce]

Y wouldn't you just be 70?

[rain crane]

Not related to warrior but does it break TOS to trade retail gold for wotlk gold?

[elfin spruce]

Ask in the forums?

Like literally a question only blizzard can answer

Also that's quite the exchange rate

Live inflation is idiotic

[rain crane]

Yeah but like I can buy infinite retail gold lol

[elfin spruce]

Exactly

[charred wadi]

took 25s google to answer yes, its a trust trade you need to do. while it is allowed it is not supported by blizzard, if you get scammed its your own risk

[rain crane]

Thank you for your condescending help friend 😊

[charred wadi]

yeah it was condescending but sometimes helping yourself is pretty good choice 🙂

[rain crane]

Posts were from a year ago I was merely looking for an update after all the recent crackdowns 🙂

[forest ibex]

I need a way to trade gold from horde whitemane to alliance benediction

But df looks too fun for me to care that much

[opal veldt]

i wanna level a warrior from scratch as prot with revenge. is the deep prot build from wowheads prot level guide fine or is there a better hybrid build out there?

[elfin spruce]

Deep prot works just fine

[opal veldt]

cheers

[misty schooner]

what race for PvP tho? does it matter much? Orc or Tauren

[forest ibex]

Human

[elfin spruce]

Night elf if you want free in combat charges

But yeah human

[misty schooner]

for horde please

:p

[forest ibex]

Orc for -stun

But nobody goes horde for pvp in wrath

You lose an entire trinket

[elfin spruce]

Yeah especially since they nerfed wotf iirc

[forest ibex]

Warriors shouldn’t need will

[elfin spruce]

Didn't it breaks more than fear tho?

Idk I've never played a stinkstick

[forest ibex]

Brage breaks more than fear

I believe they work identically, except will is a 2min cd

Identical in terms of cc immunity

Can use to cleanse, with a lingering buff that makes you immune to: sap, sleep, fear

[fiery ferry]

💤💤💤 minmax on 14 yo game

Just go for your fav race

[opaque wren]

I can transfer my level 60 burning crusade character to the lich king servers right? i can't login without sub

[rich hatch]

human is absurdly strong but if you dont care, then it's whatev

gnome is bis then

[frozen dust]

When would I use “slam” over “heroic strike”? It seems like they do the same thing

[cinder siren]

Heroic strike "uses" your melee swing and the rage generated from it.

You use slam when you have every other ability on cd (rotation APL)

Heroic strike only when about to cap rage and every other ability is on cd (Pure ST, cleave/ww in multitarget)

[uncut sigil]

Hi,
i have a question about professions for dps warrior in LK... in some guides they recommend blacksmith and engineering... in others BS and jewel crafting... and in other Jewel and enginering...
i'm very confused right now...
(sorry if this discussion is not for this topic)

[uncut pasture]

You always take engineering cause it's the best profession of all. Wormholes, nitro boosts, rockets fired from your hands...

Others just give you boring stat increases. Take what you like the most.

[uncut sigil]

Thx!

[charred wadi]

engineering beats any combo of two others so do whatever you think is fun alongside it 🙂

[cinder siren]

why aint this working
#showtooltip Bladestorm
/cast Berserker Stance
/cast Bloodrage
/cast Recklessness
/cast Sweeping Strikes
/cast Bladestorm

everything else is casted but not bladestorm?

[elfin spruce]

Is reck or sweeping on the gcd?

I only prot so I don't really press those

[thin aspen]

Is there a written guide centered around Unrelenting assault build?

Also, I presume the build is more for leveling rather than dungeon tanking.

[uncut sigil]

Thx!

[elfin spruce]

It'll tank dungeons just fine, if you can Solo mobs for xp imagine if you have backup

[forest ibex]

You may need enough rage to cast sweeping strikes for the macro to work

As well as bladestorm

That is assuming everything before bladestorm is off the gcd

[thin aspen]

I just tried it in a dungeon and it's disgusting. Granted you need bunch of mobs to attack you. But even then I think it easily outdamages deep prot

[elfin spruce]

Yeah revenge with no cd is gross

[cinder siren]

i got the glyph for sweeping, bladestorm is just 25 so dunno

[elfin spruce]

Recklessness is on the gcd

So you can't macro it to bladestorm

[uncut pasture]

Bloodrage is on the GCD too.

[elfin spruce]

We got all sorts of queue in there don't we

[thin aspen]

I have to wonder though. Does going deep prot give you better aggro over mobs?

If I look at the talents they don't seem to offer that much in the threat department.

[forest ibex]

Shockwave is pretty huge

[thin aspen]

Oh yeah that definitely is.

But I feel like I can't really hold aggro with thunder clap alone in bigger pulls

I'm just wondering how much I want to cater to the dungeon thing.

Because outside of dungeons the revenge spec seems to pull so much ahead

[elfin spruce]

Yeah as long as you can maintain the avoidance to continually prov rev ua is just nuts

That goes down fairly fast though

[thin aspen]

I'm not sure if it's placebo but I'm struggling to hold aggro with this build

[forest ibex]

It’s not an aoe build

[thin aspen]

Yeah but the deep prot talents don't seem to bring that much more to aoe

[forest ibex]

It’s a low cleave solo build or mele dungeon speedy boi

Shockwave does a lot of damage

And gets d stance threat mod

There’s also some reflect in the tree

That helps on bigger pulls

[thin aspen]

Hmm, I guess for dungeons it would be better to go deep prot as my job would be to just keeps mob angry at me

Just kind of annoying I'd have to compromise so hard on questing speed

[forest ibex]

Oil of immolation and sappers can fix it

Have a pally put on ret aura

Get thorns

There’s little stuff to help but it is an accumulation

I would weigh it based on how many dungeons v questing you’re doing

[thin aspen]

Then again I'm competing with full brutal gear warlock xD

[forest ibex]

Warlocks have no chill on threat

They don’t have salv

And they don’t have any threat mods in their kit still… at least not really

I think they need to give up hit chance to get -threat so it basically doesn’t exist

[elfin spruce]

You really don't though revenge still chunks mobs for half their hp

[forest ibex]

Like what pulls are you losing threat?

3 mob pulls should be your jam

[thin aspen]

Bigger ones.

Like 6-10 mobs

[forest ibex]

u also lose vigilance

[thin aspen]

But we have full brutal gear warlock here

[forest ibex]

That is a lot of threat fixing

6-10 he has to wait

Tell him you lose dungeon time if he doesn’t wait

Because it’s true

You being that spec is gaining more dungeon time most likely

Thing is everyone has aoe and pallys have 2 taunt- one of them is a 3 mob taunt both on low CD

And you’re running a lower target threat build so y’all have to play more comprising

[thin aspen]

Yeah I wonder if the other tank classes are better at holding aoe threat

[elfin spruce]

I don't have many issues asndeep prot

[thin aspen]

Yeaaah, I didn't have as many problems with deep prot in big pulls

[elfin spruce]

Deep prot nets you charge - tc - shockwave - revenge - tc

[forest ibex]

Reflect and vigilance too

[elfin spruce]

That shockwave is key because it stops shit from scattering when nutty McAEpants nuts allover the mobs instantly

Gives you an extra moment to catch up

[thin aspen]

That's true

Insane how low the cd is in wrath

[forest ibex]

Prot pally has it pretty easy, but has it pretty rough single target with no misdirect

[thin aspen]

I'm not sure whether to go the revenge build or deep prot for wrath since I don't know if I'll dungeon spam or not.

[forest ibex]

You get gold like crazy

And the first few respec are cheap

Just test it no harm no foul and it’ll make you a more wise warrior

[thin aspen]

Apparently it's a good way of getting gold to do the quests at 80

[forest ibex]

It was the same in tbc

[thin aspen]

Yeah I fucked up the respecs a few times so now the respec cost is lik e 25g xd

[forest ibex]

That’s if you’re willing to do quests for no xp

You will need most of the chains for the rep

But at that point(level 80) I personally would rather be done with the rep and the quests, and farm heroics

[thin aspen]

And then again is the gold difference that big

Plus questing doesn't make my brain become jelly

[forest ibex]

The gold difference scales

So every quest you do at 70 will waste more gold than at 79 then at 80

The zones reward a ascending amount of gold correlated to the level of the zone- at least that’s how it was in tbc

[thin aspen]

It's so weird it works like that

[forest ibex]

I think when you do them at 80 you are getting max value

[thin aspen]

But honestly as you said, I'd rather be done with reps etc at 80.

[forest ibex]

I mean

That is personal preference

There is a lot of gold in running heroics quickly with an enchanter in the party

[thin aspen]

Eh, I doubt I'm dedicated enough

And somehow thinking about having to do multiple zones questlines doesn't sound appealing at 80

[forest ibex]

Yep

That’s my angle

You wanna be doing arena with the bois or heroic daily lockouts

Not like “sorry guys I’m finishing the rep questline”

[thin aspen]

Like I rather just get my gold by e.g mining

Heroics require rep?

[forest ibex]

I think you need the keys still yeah

But don’t quote me on that

Also rep gets op ez to get. Once you’re honored I think you can buy a tabard which makes the dungeons pour rep down your throat

[thin aspen]

So basically better to quest through the zones and when you get to max you have the tabards ready to go

Although some dungeons do give rep too

[forest ibex]

Some of the quests have you do the dungeons

So you just try and get a few runs in with that party if you want an item or something or are bored of quests

[thin aspen]

Yeah that's doable with any spec

[forest ibex]

Yep

[glossy pier]

hey guys for solo questing 70-80 which one is better?
ARMS x UA prot

[vague pagoda]

Do you have good gear?

[thin aspen]

I wonder how great this trinket will be.

[honest crow]

Anyone good with macros? (charge-macro with revenge-build)

[molten kestrel]

Leveling spec? Arms? Thanks

[rich hatch]

@thin aspen not bad but wouldn't use it for leveling.

it's great for farming strat tho

[molten kestrel]

gph mate? thanks

[rich hatch]

350ish

And ya level as UA build or just full arms

[molten kestrel]

are pulls that hard or do we do it easy?

[rich hatch]

can just do the boss runs for about 200g/h and it's really easy

the big zambie pulls can be rough without gear tho

that's where that trink comes in

[molten kestrel]

full pvp gear+ that trinket = easy?

[rich hatch]

nah you need avoidance

[molten kestrel]

dogde u mean

[rich hatch]

any avoidance

block/parry/dodge

[molten kestrel]

thanks mate i appreciate it

[rich hatch]

once you hit about 50% total

• that trink

https://clips.twitch.tv/KindRelentlessSamosaTwitchRPG-8G1tUb-eCMCX8oUm

[quick lark]

where is classic disc?

[late iris]

would prot be a better way to go for gearing in pvp as boosted?

[worldly coral]

Hello, good, I'm new here, some new build is already known so that the warrior is not last in damage at the beginning hahahahahaha

[elfin spruce]

In boosted gear it won't matter what spec you are , it's all 1crit from a mage

[molten kestrel]

how good is our execute on woltk?

[steel rain]

very

[rich hatch]

Gets much better later on

There's a couple that are better than us in early tiers iirc

[late iris]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1mB7UjU7T4&ab_channel=ShyShuki its not easy for mages being a spell caster these days

[lavish ivy]

Yoyo, anyone has a arms leveling spec for wotlk?

[late iris]

https://i.imgur.com/raQnQ9f.png

anybody else having that issue

high ms world but low ms home?

I got a very low ping on speedtest, and 1gb up and down

[gloomy wren]

Sword, shield, unrelenting assault, prot points xD

[molten kestrel]

is this way better than arms?

can anyone explain me what that "unrelenting assault" build mean? How it works ? Thanks

[quiet violet]

Arms/prot hybrid that has huge dps output potential with the use of revenge. You need decent avoidance gear tho to make use of revenge procs. The build is amazing for solo/duo dungeon grinding.

[worthy smelt]

is this a channel to get info about wotlk warrior?

[molten kestrel]

can we solo woltk dungeon for leveling/gold just like dk on blood furnace with this?

[quiet violet]

You definitely can, as long as you have good avoidance gear.

[gloomy wren]

Imo, yes. By a large margin. Every 40s you are practically immortal to melee and get a guaranteed 10 revenge hits. With its built in cleave an sweeping strikes it hits like a truck and allows you more kills per time spent even if you did nothing between shieldblock cooldowns. It suffers a bit with caster, interrupt and hope for procs or keep a good 2h and use mortal strike

Or pull some melee mobs into the caster and make it your primary target for revenge hits. Need really good avoidance to dungeon solo but open world/group gear requirements are whatever you would normally wear. Revenge scales off of AP

[vital tapir]

do we use this shit in wotlk still ?

[rich hatch]

Yes

Always unless pvp

[vital tapir]

rip

i hate slam