ya i guess minmaxing anything can get complex but you just sim
#vanilla-discussion
wooden sparrow
earnest carbon
Manslayer vs Obsidian Edged Blade for 2h build
wooden sparrow
sim it
summer stratus
I’d guess oeb tbh
slender scarab
Hi everyone!
Do u guys think War Arm can be better than fury in PVE ? With a good stuff raid. The ones I saw were doing amazing DPS.
Thanks 😊
crimson jay
no, Arms is a no-go in raids. not just because they perform very poorly in comparison to Fury but also because of the MS debuff which denies applying more important raid debuffs
Arms is great for everything else than raiding, tho
leveling, pvp, dungeons
slender scarab
Ok, thanks !
wary crag
Arms can only be good at clearing certain mobs
plain jungle
disgusting
crimson jay
and yet, still hardstuck at fury pre-raid dps 
bagde trinket when all your yellows are holy damage
what a living meme
tropic goblet
the badge is the big weirdchamp
knotty blaze
Badge is for ravager trashparsing, my boy showed me a trick or 2
agile elm
Lul
proper ivy
Hey all
I'm looking for a pawn stat weight scale that isn't trashy trash for classic prot warrior. Google search didn't turn up much and I dont know how to make one up myself. Anybody have a good working string that I can copy?
slender scarab
how is naxx on the ptr
wary crag
@proper ivy You mean fury Prot?
proper ivy
@wary crag That would definitely be useful also if I could find both
tropic goblet
Pawn/stat weights are not helpful info in any version of the game as a standalone metric. you have to look at breakpoints for your gear and think situationally particularly as a tank balancing damage/mitigation
Even less so in classic
tender flax
Is Bonebiter the best weapon for its level range or would you say that Ravager is a better option (Bonebiter seems to be just a stronger stat stick than WW axe so kinda excluding it)
winter perch
If youre running dungeons(which at this point in classic isnt likely) ide say Ravager. Otherwise Bonebiter looks to just be better
earnest carbon
Does Bonereavers Edge allow you to penetrate below 0 armor?
earnest carbon
So does that even make BRE the BiS 2h wep?
crimson jay
very good but not forever bis in pvp
earnest carbon
What about PvE?
crimson jay
what race are you?
tropic goblet
BRE on trash for cleave and dual wield on bosses. if you just want to play 2h on bosses for whatever reason then bre is fine. UTB is fine.
earnest carbon
My guild is casual it's fine
crimson jay
well, then pick a 2h sword or mace with high dps and good stats
whatever you can get your hands on
crimson jay
BRE for trash, others for bosses. sim it to be sure. UTB should also be able to compete with them
earnest carbon
Alright thanks
chilly horizon
What's hit cap for human warriors?
frosty haven
9% without sword/mace, 6% with
real elbow
okay guys im going to sound like a complete noob (in all honesty i am) but im on my warrior human class for the first time and i want to try duel wield but i cant seem to figure out how to can anyone give any tips?
slender swift
You need level 20 and learn the skill if that is what you mean
steady palm
As mentioned, at lvl 20 you need to visit your warrior trainer and learn dual wield. You also need to learn how to wield each respective weapon: dagger and one hand mace/sword/axe. There are also ranged weapons (bow, crossbow, gun) and the different two-handed weapons (two-handed mace, axe, sword, polearm, staff). In Stormwind, Ironforge and Darnassus the weapon trainers can teach you how to use the different weapons. You can ask a guard in the cities and they will tell you where they are located.
You should also notice that weapon are in their tooltip defined as either "One-handed" or "Main hand". "Main hand" category can only be equipped in the main hand (left weapon slot as viewed in the character pane window) while "one-handed" weapon can be equipped in either the left or right weapon slot. The right weapon slot is commonly refered to as the "off hand".
earnest carbon
Ironvine set was just released yeah?
tacit crest
lmao facts
wary night
If I’m leveling as Orc Prot, should I still be trying to get a dagger or just stick with axes?
For rage generation
summer stratus
Get a two hander to lvl. Prot is trash for lvling.
woeful oak
So true. That’s some retail
dreamy ice
wary night
Should I level with my prot talents or nah
I don’t know shit about classic
I’m doing it with a buddy who is healing that’s why I was going prot
open apex
No, you can tank dungeons fine without any prot talents
wary night
Sounds good
fiery badge
hi i am new on warrior on wow classic shall i level as arms or fury ?
steady palm
Arms
summer stratus
To be honest the most important part is using a two hander for leveling. Beyond that you can have some odd specs and do well. I would not advise skipping cruelty in early levels. I tried it this last war I made and it’s painful. Should be your first 5 points. Beyond that enrage is really good. But so is sweeping strikes. Flurry is also a strong talent but when leveling blood thirst sucks while mortal strike is a nice strong attack. You can do cookie cutter arms or have fun with it and be fine. Just don’t dual wield. Till raid time.
hardy rock
trying to find info on which spells are worth buying levelling up and which arent
plain jungle
u can leave TC Cleave OP and Shield bash
at rank 1
keep rend and demo shout up to date
battle shout too ofc
hardy rock
so i need parry?
crimson jay
hardy rock
thanks did think of that
pulsar roost
Guys, have you heard that whirlwinds don't always hit cthulhu when he is in his weakened form? I can't find anything on line about it but some people from another discord were talking about it.
I'm too dumb to understand logs so I can't really tell if it's working or not. It's just suppose to not hit sometimes unless you are in the right spot and jumping
golden badger
you can WW cthun when you move into his model and jump, 50/50 of getting knocked back tho
crimson jay
yea, you have to know the right spot to hit cthun with WW. if you're not then WW is waste of rage and just fish for WF/HoJ proc with hamstring
crystal nacelle
A mage just have me 3 stacks of food
today we chain kill guys
today we act have a chance at leveling
agile haven
guys, advise the build for pumping. now lvl 27
left vigil
any good addons for nameplates/shows my current target/shows sunders on targets over nameplates?
tropic goblet
any good addons for nameplates/shows my current target/shows sunders on targets over nameplates?
@left vigil threatplates
zealous marlin
so whats best dps spec in sl
nocturne coyote
Sim it
steel lake
honest lodge
Where can I find the simc addon for classic, tried DLing the latest version but just throws up a load of errors guess it's for retail. Also does not seem to be on twitch. :/
summer stratus
Nope. There’s a couple good sims now for classic though. Links in fight club discord. Guybrush sims or herokuapp are decent
grave arch
Hey @everyone wondering if there is any massive space between arms and fury when it comes to dps number?
wooden sparrow
@everyone
nova knoll
wooden sparrow
how to ligmabols
nocturne coyote
@grave arch Arms is utter shit in classic pve
prisma linden
I used to run arms back in BC and Wrath. People made fun of me for it. But I loved Bladestorm. Loved it to death. But then when Bladestorm got taken over to fury, and arms got gutted of all its bleeds and debuffs, I gave up.
I miss Sunder Armor, Trauma, and Bleed.
Used to stack haste and crit so bleed ticks melted.
crimson jay
Arms didn't have Bladestorm in TBC
west atlas
@nocturne coyote if u compare it to fury thats #1 sure, but utter shit would be bottom dps spec, which it isnt. Can compare to rogues at naxx gear. Loses to furys fmages dlocks, then its up there
Top dps in dunteons too if u still wanna run them for gold
nocturne coyote
@west atlas that's wrong, Arms do much, much less dps than fury, and take a debuff slot for a useless debuff
If you go in raid in spec arms, you're an asshole to your mates
west atlas
@nocturne coyote re read the whole senetnce
"if u compare it to fury thats #1 sure, " " Can compare to rogues at naxx gear. Loses to furys fmages dlocks (literally whole raid roster beside buff classes) "
and no its not wrong
its classic, raids are dog easy, it aint optimal but ur sentence is wrong, while mine isnt
also only reason the difference in arms and fury is that big are the raid buffs + world buffs
nocturne coyote
no it's not
don't come in pvp spec in raids, that's all
ARms can't compare to rogue in any way
Find me one log where the arms warrior compare to wgood rogues
west atlas
#1 i said naxx gear. #2 arms is superior if u got BRE in early MC #3 no1 plays arms in the enviroments that i played in, since i was either in elysium server first guilds, or on classic with a semi competitive hard core
will do well in early mc due to the cleave
nocturne coyote
did you even play classic lol
nocturne coyote
that's pretty good
west atlas
obviously as fury
nocturne coyote
loool
west atlas
but I've tested arms on elysium, which is the same exact script as classic
I am argueing your point saying u worded it wrong
i am not saying arms is in any way superior
west atlas
it the overall spectrum it is
def beats boomies, ferals, ret palas, arcane mages
can go on if u want
west atlas
no they do not
arms doesnt bring anything bad, and it has better dps than either of them
since my spec doesnt even involve ms
nocturne coyote
what's the rotation looks like without ms
west atlas
u can skip the sword specialization and go for slam spec during BWL
(less aoe fights)
sweep cleave hs ww
Slam if single target fights (obv specced)
for more u can go on classic warrior discord
im sure there are plenty
steppenwolf was a guildie of mine on elysium, he's the owner of that discord
nocturne coyote
yeah please go tell steppenwolf Arms spec is any good in classic
west atlas
you're putting words in my mouth 🙂
"Arms is utter shit in classic pve"
- its not, its top dps with rogues if u exclude the obvious stacking top in naxx (fury / mage / lock)
nocturne coyote
it's not comparable to rogue!
west atlas
i havent been there in 1 year+, and there were slam specs
nocturne coyote
dude
nocturne coyote
agreed
tropic goblet
Slam spec is 2h fury
You have no idea what you’re talking about tbh
Also name dropping about a dead guild from 2+ years ago in a game you don’t play is a yikes and lends 0 credibility
slender swift
Slam spec was only (really) good cause of a bug. Other than that it was a lot of work for not actually amazing DPS. But overall DW was better.
Arms has never been good on high end
west atlas
Insane how no1 is capable of reading
slender swift
Ah I did, you are one of the streamer fan boys, mb
west atlas
Not only am i the best classic warrior to ever live, claiming multiple #1 spots against the current top tier excluding chinese untill i quit, im also massive mensa brain 153+ iq
And ure an idiot so mb for trying to talk to u
slender swift
Actually lol
tropic goblet
Stop spreading misinformation and go back into retirement from mediocrity, please
crimson jay
stop the Arms PVE meme
wait for TBC if you want to pve as arms
dungeon arms is nice
but for raiding just no
slender swift
Come on man, he has 153 IQ, he's a smart boy, he knows what he is doing XD
nocturne coyote
This is probably the infamous slam spec he's speaking of 😄 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hM94UkLBEOE
When using Slam didn't reset the Swing Timer
crimson jay
ironically Slam spec in Classic is 2h Fury, not Arms, anyway
and Indalamar was old busted Bloodthirst
has nothing to do with Slam
but also Fury 😄
nocturne coyote
i mean
I don't even know if BT was thing back then ^^
But yes the 2H spec that is actually kinda viable in Classic (horde side) is a 2H Fury Slam Spec
tropic goblet
Fury being the keyword kekw
crimson jay
BT was a passive that increased damage after a kill and it was kinda nuts. 100% +dmg iirc
Slam is not the reason why it was busted is what I was saying
it's just what he used because nothing else to use
non-normalized weapon damage + that old BT = big numbers (for the time)
and it was practically useless in raid-setting because of the killing blow requirement
nocturne coyote
@crimson jay oh i didn't know that!
But i think the reason he's doing a busted dps is because he can use slam and still auto attack while doing so, this video brought a nerf to slam
crimson jay
Indalamar vid is from Beta anyway
was never live
Slam was nerfed from 0.5sec to 1.5 sec cast, bit less damage and suffering from pushback
which was overnerfed but it's really BT with 100% crit and +150% damage on next attack that makes it broken
he's almost one-shotting the casters with just the first melee hit which is an auto
plucky yew
Someone have a bis link for tank tps in phase 6?
slender scarab
@plucky yew want me to help you with that?
slender scarab
that's not threat bis
that's not even close to threat bis
this is what i would use if i would wanna wear more mitigation
alpine arch
Yeah, you're not wearing 5-set T2.5 if you're trying to maximize threat
hazy sedge
Hey i have a question and I hope someone can answer it.
I'm currently Theorycrafting with a Friend about Sword-Spec in PvE with imp-Slam skilled and wunder if Warrior can make good amount of DPS With such a Build (Horde=
21/30/0
25/26/0
23/28/0
So in theory SwordSpec can Proc -> WF and HoJ
Hamstring can Proc -> WF and Sword Spec / HoJ
Slam can Proc -> WF and Sword Spec / HOJ
If I read it correctly it is possible to get a Infinity Loop of SSpec and WF because it can proc of other proc. ( Or this got changed in TBC?)
Can anyone tell me if that Build is worth of trying or did someone tried it already.
wooden sparrow
Equip two one handed weapons and play fury
hazy sedge
that doesnt answer my question 😄
wooden sparrow
the answer is that anything that isnt dual wield fury isnt worthwhile
red sparrow
ask in the fight club DC channel
they know more
try to find some pins about procing
sacred bloom
2h fury is perfectly viable, especially in naxx with all the adds
But you need bloodthirst
*on horde
hazy sedge
there is an internal cooldown
When got the GCD/ICD removed?
Because I found on mmo-champ that Sspec-Warrior could proc with 1 White-Hit 5 Hits.
wooden sparrow
HoJ has 2sec ICD iirc
steady palm
@hazy sedge 1st problem is you dont have access to two-handed sword skill as horde unless you play OEB which i expect isnt what you are gunning for. glancing penalty will just cuck any competitiveness. if its for fun idea then i assume its moot to theorycraft how to make a wheelchair go faster. 2nd problem is you dont have any buttons to press (bt). its 45% AP each 6s. if your going hard i assume your using consumes and getting wbs and with those BT just scales beyond retardation.
Solution: be an orc, have a nice 2h axe, spec default fury minus dual wield specialization talent and just go play. otherwise go dual wield fury with 305 wpn skill
lunar sand
m2c. playing 2h fury (horde) for all expansion along, it is incredibly funny and not a meme spec. unfortunately to stay on par with 2w you have to drop the bis weapon for each phase, or you'll be left behind
wooden sparrow
link a log where you are on par with dw user that isnt dumb
sacred bloom
It all depends what you are trying to do. I played a straight pvp specced Tauren 2hander on the Emerald Dream private server and was usually 5-6 dps for the whole raid (including trash)
With mortal strike
Through naxx
Straight patchwork fight dual wield will always be better but 2h keeps up fine. In the end that game isnt hard losing 10% wont kill you.
frosty haven
biggest problem with pvp warrior in raids is debuff cap
if your guild lets you MS, then its not so bad
but that's an overall raid dps loss
sacred bloom
We didnt give a shit as long as we didnt bring an spriest or somethi ng
If you don't kill.the boss due to 1 debuff you arent killing the boss anyway
frosty haven
yeah but classic is an era of min maxing for most raid groups
you can kill bosses with full meme specs and pvp mains
easily
its about killing bosses in record time
which isnt possibel with full meme specs
sacred bloom
Refer to above statement, lol. I play prot paladin in current classic. Tanking in naxx now
frosty haven
the caveat is how you said 'It all depends what you are trying to do. `
sacred bloom
Theres only 20 or so guilds pushing for world firsts
frosty haven
if you care about chasing the leaderboards in raid, then being pvp spec is def not the play
sacred bloom
If you arent your guild needs to have a serious discussion about stressing people out and burnout
The game isnt hard until naxx
frosty haven
still not hard even in naxx
sacred bloom
Apes would like to talk to you
frosty haven
game is never hard in the true sense, the players make it hard on themselves
sacred bloom
As would other top guilds
Only one guild didnt wipe through first clear
1.12 power finally caught up to a raid tuned for it.
Its not mythic nyalotha
But it is objectively challenging
As opposed to the rest of the game
frosty haven
when the pinnacle of difficult content can be cleared in one evening by the 'best' players, it dont consider it difficult
sacred bloom
Jesus man, this is a silly argument
Its not retail raids
But its challenging considering we have known mechanics for 16 yeara
And people are still wiping.
I think we can agree on that
tropic goblet
It’s challenging to be competitive is the difference. It’s not challenging to progress the raid (except consume costs). But it is challenging to be the first to clear the raid. And even more challenging to speed run after that
It’s how people make old games competitive. Speed run it
sacred bloom
I'd argue it is challenging to progress in the raid. If you've followed raid progress most guilds haven't completed it yet.
Theres a difference between top 10% guilds and everyone else.
If the argument is that there are fewer mechanics that is undoubtedly true.
But the fact that the raid requires so many consumables to progress through it makes it difficult in the true sense of the word.
tropic goblet
Ye I mean my guild is only 12/15. Raid is definitely hard. Just in a different way.
When gold/consumes is the limiting factor it’s hard to call it traditionally challenging imo. Wiping to loatheb playing well but because 25 people didn’t have a second shadow pot is a feelsbad
sacred bloom
Yeah its rough. We finally got to saph last night
Going this weekend to polish it off.
More farming needed.
I play a prot paladin, lol. It's actually quite useful now.
summer stratus
I chose to drop out for naxx, massive amounts of consumes was one of the reasons. We were pretty much spare no expense, ever, even on farm content.... So I had enough of that. If I had been in a guild that treated some progression attempts as practice and not require massive costs it may have been different. I feel like I'm missing out, but I should have quit 6 months ago instead. Had 80+ hour weeks of work between job and remodel, and still wanted to hold onto my gaming, stupid me.
sacred bloom
@summer stratus yeah that's why I left guild before AQ. Whenever a mid tier guild starts running the guild like a top 10 speed clear guild it's a problem
New guild we ran AQ once with full WB/Consumes then said w/e after that.
summer stratus
yeah, people got sick of it, but they still are going strong, lots of turn around. We were full consume and buffing for BWL splits, and full buffing aq even on non speed clears. And our actual speed runs hadn't improved the last three months, so why all the trouble for no improvement. Really sucked
sacred bloom
It's good to have a mix. That's what classic balanced for.
The top players that want to push numbers go full consume and everything while everyone else just fills the raid. Can clear content fine.
And not stress out the whole raid for the sake of a few
crimson jay
ironically, heavier use of layering and/or increased respawn rates on mobs and resources would make classic better for the average raider
the game was just never made with that many max lvl players turbo min-maxing the high-end content in mind
so it increases prices on already rare goods by an insane margin so you have to farm even more or just straight up buy gold
good thing that they fixed that with tbc. you have a few heavy one-time investments (e.g. crafted gear) but most consumables have reasonable availability
chrome sorrel
when the pinnacle of difficult content can be cleared in one evening by the 'bes...
You forget that these best players have been running Naxx on private servers ad nauseum for the past 15 years
And its logically unsound to label a raids difficulty as easy by only using the less than 1% of the player base as a sample size
chrome sorrel
But its challenging considering we have known mechanics for 16 yeara
Yeah. Many people seem to think that 'being aware of the mechanics of a raid encounter' is the same as 'actually having an employable strategy with no mistakes'
crimson jay
difficulty is a relative term. for today's gaming standards classic is an easy game. for the average classic player the raid might be difficult but that might very well be because gamers who enjoy (mechanically) challenging games probably won't play classic. so the bar is pretty low.
wooden sparrow
wrong channel bud
sacred bloom
@crimson jay organize 40 people and get them all to farm for two weeks and then tell me the game isnt challenging 🙂
shrewd totem
Main has never played classic before im not saying classic is hard but it is not dumb easy if it were dumb easy people wouldnt play it
tropic goblet
Just two different kinds of difficult. I’ve gotten cutting edge in retail and speed run every raid in classic and I’d have a hard time deciding which I found more frustrating tbh. If you try to be competitive in either game you’ll find actual difficulty.
frosty haven
imo the big difference here is that CE is difficulty presented by the game, and speedrunning is difficulty presented by the players
tropic goblet
Absolutely
That’s just the way old games are. The preparation, organization, and coordination that goes into speed running though is difficult in its own right even if it’s self imposed by the competitive community.
frosty haven
true, but i feel that even if classic wasnt an old game, and all the content was new it would still be min maxed to hell
just the nature of modern gamers
nocturne coyote
Your personnal performances depend so much more on the other players in classic than in retail i believe
Especially cause there is 40 people in a raid
Classic is HR simulator
But your employees aren't getting paid so good luck motivating them
tropic goblet
It definitely does. Individual mechanical performance is rarely a metric for success in classic. Unless you’re the hunter puller, occasionally main tank, etc
Yeah lmao that’s as good way to put it
nocturne coyote
Plus in a 40 person raid there each player has a different vision of the game, you got try harders and casuals in the same raid, so each kind of player is getting frustrated by the other one
Plus the boomers that want to do stuff the same way they did it 15 years ago are fucking cancer
0% hit tauren warrior complaining that dps are riping agro of him
shit like that
Parsers try hard that don't care about mechanics are cancer as well
and you have to compromise on everything, can't satisfy fully anybody
so the mood is shit
i got to retail before naxx open cause naxx was gonna be the peak of all this problems
tropic goblet
Well ideally you lay out your guilds goals and find like minded people
That goes for either version of the game
frosty haven
true but its much easier to have aligning goals with a group of 20-30 than 40+
and retail goals are more tangible i feel,
being CE focused, aotc focused or m+ focused etc is pretty clear cut
vs classic is like varying levels of expectations and kinda nebulous
tropic goblet
For sure
nocturne coyote
first guild i join in retail was a bunch of "semi try hard" with grey parses lol
same thing in classic, everyone is "semi try hard" with extremely varying levels in the same raid
plus on little servers you don't really get to choose, 40 people is A LOT
tropic goblet
I think that’s how a lot of people got their start in retail lol.
The server situation for classic is pretty terrible. Definitely affected the raiding scene a lot
Great guilds pushing times on locked servers unable to recruit anyone to transfer and then inevitably dying. Pretty scuffed.
crimson jay
Classic is HR simulator
that's the best TL;DR so far
I'd like to add "Logistics & HR Simulator" but it really nails what makes classic raiding "difficult"
IMO it's just tedious, not difficult
it's mostly a metagame: organize enough monkeys that can press 1-3 buttons and dodge 1-2 simplest mechanics that are also willing to bring wbuffs and farm/buy enough consumables
signal bear
i started a guild on classic and i can tell you in the 2 months leading up to relaunch, myself and the original officer group met several hours each week planning every little thing out lol
i never wanted to be the GM, but logistics and shit is my thing. they're still going strong, i left after we had MC on farm
luckily we had enough try hards where farming douses and whatnot for example was base expectation
sacred bloom
@crimson jay retail is 10x more tedious than classic, lol. I'd call classic boring more than tedious and I love classic
You know what's tedious? Doing islands and Maw dailies.
slender swift
Maw dailies can be skipped without a problem though. Same thing with islands.
I just got annoyed how easy classic actually is. Despite being at that time only be a okayish player in retail. With about 50% parses
On classic I was doing amazing because there is so little to do. You have a very predictable rotation knowing exactly what button you have to press next. Mechanics were VERY straight forward to deal with. And despite being a tank every fight and every dungeon just felt the same. There was nothing to it.
So yeah, maw dailies may be boring to do. For some people Thorgast as well or dailies if you choose to do them.
But the moment you enter a raid or dungeon it is exciting and fun. And despite you know exactly what to do and having it done 20 times it is still a fight you have to deal and think with.
It is something I REALLY missed in classic. I wasn't going to do MC in the evening. I was trying to farm my band of accuria. I wasn't trying to get DM done. I was picking up buffs. And despite classic having such a great gearing experience cause collecting your pre raid was actually kind of exciting cause you felt so much stronger every item. The entire end game felt like a tedious grind to just be done with it.
Even when I helped my friend last expansion getting him ahead of the curve. Killing HC N'zoth again for the so manyth time even second time in the week so I wouldn't get any loot it felt more exciting than my (H)realm first Ragnaros kill.
sacred bloom
Tl dr you like modern mmo's more than original mmo's. Which is fine.
I want another game in the spirit of Everquest. Waiting on Pantheon.
untold frigate
@sacred bloom look at Ashes of Creation, I'm really hyped for that one as well
nocturne coyote
The thing is, some time-consuming mmos aren't really something that's good for people, and many people realized that. Ashes of Creation sounds dope but i'm afraid than most hardcore mmo player don't have the time and the lack of responsibilities necessary to go full hardcore mode in this kind of game
The big problem with video games and particularly mmorpg is that it gives some kind of satisfaction that you should normally get in real life, social validation by your guild interaction, professional validation through your player performance. And the thing is if you're succeeding in your video game you don't have any need to pursue this validation in real life, cause you already got it in your game.
It might be a long fetch and probably wrong or a personnal take on this, but i think you can see the idea
If you can be content with the validation/satisfaction you get from a video game, chances are your life will get impacted by it
sacred bloom
Ashes could be amazing, but it's also extremely ambitious.
I'm waiting to see if he can pull it off.
I like the simplicity of Pantheon. Feels like D&D
You're just a character exploring the world.
slate tusk
graceful mauve
everyone is quitting classic until tbc, wish i had a chance to play it sooner
summer stratus
naxx was released 2 months too soon
sacred token
WoW Classic TBC COMING! We are one step closer to a release! https://youtu.be/Ua7rs18LnUs via @YouTube
nocturne coyote
Wow who could have predicted TBC classic over the sound of the money printing machine at blizzard's hq
wind vapor
broken ferry
I heard Songflower still works
nocturne coyote
Yeah but not usable in raid or it stops at lv 70 something like that
graceful mauve
just do bt at lvl 69 ez
sacred bloom
That's the biggest thing by far that makes TBC better than classic. No world buffs.
slender swift
I am also going to be happy with tanks being tanks
wooden sparrow
Deep prot shill
slender scarab
guys im playing fury im feeling kinda behind should i change for arms?
175 il atm
wooden sparrow
wrong channel
sacred bloom
But to answer your classic question dont arms in raid if you are worried about dps :)
Although it is quite fun on horde to dumpster trash with SS+WF
compact canopy
2h fury still better.
swift elbow
Hey guys, I returned to classic after a long break and decided to start leveling a warrior. Is spirit gear still valuable until a certain level or is that a private server only thing?
wooden sparrow
its ok when youre running between mobs to regen quicker
swift elbow
Thanks. Should I ever be putting it above str though while leveling?
wooden sparrow
nah
nocturne coyote
you could have a spirit gear set to equip while regaining life between mobs but it's really not worth the bag space: )
crimson jay
it's nice to have because warrior life regen from spirit scales pretty well but you should not prioritize it
swift elbow
Thanks guys, makes sense. I regeared towards more prio stats and I do notice the lack of spirit in between pulls, but FA fills that gap pretty well
loud prairie
can also just buy a ton of food
tawdry epoch
Can also pay 13 euros per month and have a shaman on follow like i did.
wooden sparrow
Gay
solemn moon
Can also pay 13 euros per month and have a shaman on follow like i did.
what do you mean?
faint kayak
Multi box I presume
summer stratus
That’s how I leveled two wars. Multi box a sham for wf nd extra dps. Dungeon grind slaughterfest.
warm bane
just level with a mage
pro: free food and a level partner
con: draws aggro and your taunt will be on cooldown
unkempt delta
Im not having a terrible time like everyone says leveling my dwarf warrior. I just stack spirit or boar gear and I can pretty much progress smoothly.
bleak fern
@polar sky Why so?
wooden sparrow
mace skill and sword skill racial
polar sky
and ez rep gain
silver cave
hi guys, I am looking to improve my DPS as a fury warrior in classic wow, am I on the correct channel?
silver cave
thanks
worn blaze
Until I get dual wield, should I be using two-handed or sword + shield
wooden sparrow
Twohand untill youre close to 60
buoyant ginkgo
^ WW axe is just so good and you don’t get much of an upgrade besides BRD axe and then from there when you reach 55 I’d go DW fury
For axes I’d recommend axe of the deep woods and a Hakkari man slayer if you get it. Atleast untill you get into BWL gear.
Really and pre raid axe is the play.
If your a Tauren or another race, edgemasters or ACLG’s and going daggers is the call.
But that’s primarily for DPS, if your tanking that’s another topic
wooden sparrow
that implies hes horde
unkempt delta
I don't play enough to care about min/max and proper race for a class
wooden sparrow
you do u
stark fiber
Hey folks, long time warri player but new to this disc. Anyone got a Spready of all Reflect-able Spells for CN and the Dungs?
wooden sparrow
wrong channel
strong fossil
right channel in a few months tho hopefully
@stark fiber check the pins in the Arms discussion channel, there's a spreadsheet there.
hasty hare
dusky raptor
is the Darksoul gear any good for fresh 60 fury?
nocturne coyote
Legs might be interesting if you really lacks Hit, but Black Dragonscale set is much better if you can afford it
Devilsaur set is also good but you'll quickly change it
AQ20 and ZG has some very great starting gear
dusky raptor
cool that gives me some direction, not quite 60 yet but probably within a couple days
serene zinc
hallo
got a question for you warriors
anyone see if the 1hander weapon from the atiesh quest lasts for any amount of time outside of strat? heard it lasted for 5 mins outside of strat in vanilla, so far haven't heard anything for classic.
wooden sparrow
Ah yes get the weapon for 5 minutes in a raid
nocturne coyote
Yes good idea
Get those nice Vael Parses
Atiesh is actually a Warrior legendary if you never complete the quest and just go back and forth from Stratholme with the sword
slender scarab
anyone see if the 1hander weapon from the atiesh quest lasts for any amount of t...
This one? Not sure if it stays on your character while logged
serene zinc
@slender scarab yeah, that one. Does it last for any amount of time once u zone out of strat?
slender scarab
<@456226577798135808> yeah, that one. Does it last for any amount of time once u...
No idea I wasn’t there when my guild did ateish. I doubt it would last once you zone out but it is classic
dreamy ice
everywhere says that it doesn't so ima go with that
would be pretty dumb if it did, even for 5 or 10 mins
polar sky
Its meh
wooden sparrow
Its okay if you often lose worldbuffs and swap stances to op
wary swallow
Hi folks, I checked the FAQ and didn't see an answer to this. In classic, should I be using +1% haste enchant on my gloves, helm, and pants? Or should I be using +15 agility to gloves and +8 strength to helm and pants?
wooden sparrow
15 agi to gloves over 1% haste for sure
for pant/head its about the price
usually 8str is very expensive and the difference between them isnt very big
wary swallow
Thank you, I appreciate it!
polar sky
Think u got it the other way around ardley
Rend buff is multiplicative with other haste enchants, whilst alliance benefit from raw stats through kings buff
vale oxide
Nope I'm deffo not wrong here
Windfury resets your swing timer
So the haste from enchant is not nearly as effective
wooden sparrow
Even on horde its not a big difference
Besides on my realm haste libram is 50 silver and str libram is 300 gold
The price vs performance isnt worth unless youre rich
kindred fractal
dude
could u imagine
a speedrun raid
where for just like 4 minutes they all have adonsius
wooden sparrow
coral echo
If im gonna go 2h fury in pve is slam spec or hamstring better? Ive heard really mixed opinions, im on horde side as well
kindred fractal
slam
The reason u also can spam hamstring is bc of wf totem on horde
Fight club has a guide for playing 2h fury
Just go look at that
coral echo
Sweet appreciate that, and yeah i knew that spamming hamstring is only because of WF i was just curious which was better
ebon peak
question, i know very little about classic wow warrior. but whats the usual range of health for a fury prot warrior with full wbs and flask of the titans? (tauren race)
vale oxide
Depends on what fear you have, but I have around 8 to 9k in naxx gear if I'm fully buffed, depending on what pieces I put on and enchants
ember rapids
If im gonna go 2h fury in pve is slam spec or hamstring better? Ive heard really...
i played 2h fury slam spec for 1,5 years in two different raids. in both raids were 2h fury hamstring players. in 90% of the time my dmg was superior. slam is not simple. at least my skill wasnt enough to express the potential of slam. both raids were casual. testing the limits of the spec sadly wasnt really possible.
coral echo
ok thats what i thought appreciate it @ember rapids i like hmstring better
vale oxide
I was the highest rated 2h fury player in classic wow during phrase 3 and 4. I actually had a 100 log, the only known 2h fury 100 log I believe.
2h hamstring is better than slam
@coral echo
coral echo
nice ill keep on truckin with hamstring then i just got BRE tonight so im hyped now
low tree
hey quick questioin, is it a thing to spec DEEP prot for endgame?
ember rapids
I was the highest rated 2h fury player in classic wow during phrase 3 and 4. I a...
vaelastrasz isnt a normal fight. you killed it in 18sek and it begins at 30% health. you casted hamstring 2 times. i dont know everything, but for me your reasoning seems flawed.
raid environment and luck is in classic crucial. being able to do one or two raids with darkmoon faire buff per month and kill times of one or two minutes are pretty random.
wooden sparrow
darkmoon fairy
vale oxide
Let's just ignore the other 99s I had on every boss ayy
Slam is a total meme, especially in aq40 and naxx. Bosses don't just sit still and let you slam them
kindred fractal
I mean
2h fury died after they nerfed slam buf
Bug*
But a 100 parse as 2h is very very impressive even if its vael
Good job friend
Its too bad they nerfed slam, woulda been more popular in later tiers if they hadnt
vale oxide
Slam could have possibly been the meta with the slam macro bug
crystal briar
did all DW warrior abilities scale with main hand damage?
wooden sparrow
dw warrior attack fast damage go brr 2hand warrior attack very slow very bad !
crystal briar
Some Horde slammers out damaged DW during MC phase with that bug, but that is a history now
crystal briar
i saw only logs
now i have another problem between Fast + Fast DW or Slow + Fast DW
but my friend suggest that even Fast + Slow DW can be the best dps
crystal briar
WW scale with main hand?
wooden sparrow
yes
crystal briar
with HS/Cleave "issue" there is still a sense to stack more than minimum hit chance as DW?
wooden sparrow
Use gear that sims the highest
crystal briar
im just asking more around that mechanic. If its truth, then stacking more than 6% above 305 or 9% at 300 is unnecessary .
wooden sparrow
its not that complicated
just use the best gear u have available
u dont need any hit% above cap
it just depends on what gear u have
like if u have 6% hit with normal gear and u use the neck from tyrion questline but u get ony neck and go up to 7% hit its not bad as long as it sims higher
hit above cap isnt necessarily bad it just depends on ur available gear
and yes the mechanic that when hs is que'd u cant miss with ur offhand is real
crystal briar
i mean many of my warriors told me that i should have as many hit as possible, but according to logs more than minimum isn't required. Of course there are some good items with hit chance.
one of them have even a typical rogue/feral items like Ghoul Skin Tunic, Mantle of Wicked Revenge or Boots of Vanguard
just because more STR and AGI than typical counterparts, that better scaling with buffs
summer stratus
the slam bug was hilariously fun but nothing like how vanilla actually was. I have DEOI, would be absolutely wrecking meters if that was still in. It was pretty fun too
vale oxide
more than 6 hit is better
crystal briar
according to logs it isnt a truth.. most of the top warriors have 6% and i know why...
RNG
As more ap/crit do you have as higher is you maximum possible dps, but that score is less likely to obtain by lowered hit chance. Of course you still have a chance to avoid any miss during encounters, but less likely than with more hit chance.
According to that you can reach even higher score with less than 6% extra hit chance, but possibility to avoid misses during encounter will be even lower.
its something like to use 120mm gun or 152mm arty to destroy a single house. Tank gun has higher precision, but less firepower. Artillery can do more damage, but has less chance to directly hit a target. But if that arty will make a direct hit, ten destruction will be higher
wooden sparrow
its a 16 year old shitty videogame not a the art of war
just equip gear that sims highest for u
gg go next
crystal briar
its art of numbers 😄
dont tell me that you are a rare non metacultist in classic xD
crystal briar
im too, but meanwhile im still looking for new, fresh upgrades
wooden sparrow
take the top item from every slot
wowee so hard
ur literally
overthinking
dumb shit
if u take all items from the top slot
its 7% hit
crystal briar
wooden sparrow
wowee so bad 1% too much
retarded boots
why would u ever use those over chromatics
crystal briar
more str and agi
wooden sparrow
im like
99.999999999999999999% sure 1 hit is better than 2 agi and 2str
going out on a limb here
crystal briar
im aiming higher maximum dps, not better avg dps
wooden sparrow
well then youre just retarded
crystal briar
why did you bully me?
wooden sparrow
🤦♂️
crystal briar
i have hope that you know that you should insult someone ust for his theory
crystal briar
im not isnulting you for your theory
crystal briar
that mean you were probably a retard from logic on math
wooden sparrow
dont need to think when ppl figured this out long ago
ur not inventing anything new
"retard from logic on math"
k
english gud
crystal briar
logic is a domain of math
wooden sparrow
left vigil
my dumbass just bought silithid claw but it was cheap so w/e lol
did i make a mistake or is this a decent rage-builder
polar sky
Why did you bully him?
crystal briar
@left vigil if that can improve his dps, then why not?
paper acorn
When does weekly pvp rank readjust?
vale oxide
theres a few things to consider with the 6 hit vs more than 6
but in naxx you are not always gonna keep your world buffs
no world buffs you deffo want more
cause you wont have rage to spam heroic constantly
also, fully world buffed with a lot of crit you can get crit capped. the only way to increase your crit cap is through... more hit
restive anvil
logic is a domain of math
its not lol, Math is founded on Logic not the other way around
crystal briar
miss translation 😄
My English isn't the best. I had to learn by myself.
Somehow xD
willow folio
Hey guys! Just started play classic (World of Warcraft in general) and chose to play a Dwarf warrior. I am soon in lvl 20 and saw online that Human is the only valid option for Alliance warriors. Is it that I should Reroll? Will it be fine having a Dwarf Warrior when TBC comes out?
Side note: I really enjoy my Dwarf warrior I the race is so cool!
grave yarrow
you'll be fine playing dwarf bud
human is just the best if you wanna minmax
because they get sword skill racial
grave yarrow
sheeeesh
wooden sparrow
smh
grave yarrow
mace to the face
wooden sparrow
smh my head doesnt respect maces
im a certified mace andy myself
using msa castigaor
xdd
grave yarrow
wooden sparrow
yes i unironically play classical
willow folio
Alright! And what is min/max? Saw somewhere that no one want to have "memeraces" in raids? But maybe im getting ahead of myself lol
wooden sparrow
the minmax is that with the extra sword/mace skill you get for being a human its easier to gear because you only need 6% hit as opposed to 9% to reach hit cap for yellow attacks, in addition your glancing blows will do more damage
and as a memerace you need items to give you weaponskill
such as edgemaster gloves/goldminer helmet etc etc
so its easier overall to gear as human
willow folio
Is it hard to get the gear that is needed?
wooden sparrow
depends on the server edge master's can go for thousands of gold
if youre playing casually dont worry about it
willow folio
Will you be just as gear dependent in tbc later?
wooden sparrow
in tbc it doesnt matter because weaponskill racial turns into expertise which isnt as impactful
willow folio
Thats good! for me atleast.... I am still learning the game so I dont even see myself being lvl60 before tbc anyways!
wooden sparrow
yeah if youre playing casually dont worry about it
brittle ore
in tbc expertise is one of the most important and valuable for all melee
idk if you have played any tbc server for raid before, expertise is the reason for belt of hundred death being bis for every melee even on t6
wooden sparrow
Its not as important as weaponskill
brittle ore
it is the most important stat in tbc for all melee
it is still the best racial to get expertise as orc or human
wooden sparrow
Yes but its less impactful
frosty haven
but weaponskill was a bigger dps gain
ye
if weaponskill was readily available for everyone like expertise is for TBC, it would be bis for every one as well
but since it was available through racial, and you only needed to hit the softcap
wooden sparrow
Gnome is bis in tbc anyway
jade fog
yea i am as suprised as you
wooden sparrow
im not retarded im just pretending
twin oar
I don't know what's your issue with me, dipshit
Just stop being aggressive towards me all the time
wooden sparrow
how could i be agressive to you all the time when i dont know you
twin oar
I'm pretty sure you do since you've always been like this towards me in some way
wooden sparrow
weirdo
twin oar
Yeah, I'm the weirdo lmao
slender scarab
is TBC a good point to start if i never played Classic wow, will i still have to level up through classic if i roll a fresh toon? I am too used to retail and its levelling system how much of a slog it will be?
frosty haven
good is subjective, imo TBC is a great version of wow
you will have to start from lvl 1, and it will be a slog but its kind of therapeutic
slender scarab
will i be able to level up in TBC or start at classic zones?
frosty haven
start at classic
you can access TBC at lvl 58 iirc
but its not the worst case, the content in TBC is not too hard to catch up on if you're late to the party
people will be running the old raids fairly regularly
slender scarab
i see, thanks for the reply 🙂
frosty haven
depending on when the actual release is, you could start levelling in classic right now
and maybe be 60 in time
if you're new it usually takes about 200 hours of play time to get to 60, if you use levelling guides and make good use of rested xp, then you can get that number down to 100 hours, but more realistically somewhere around 150
shut hound
if you're new it usually takes about 200 hours of play time to get to 60, if you...
i just made my first classic toon today, i had no idea its that long for levelling. not what i expected damn. Im only 10 after today, did the quests i had and i dont even really knwo what to do
polar sky
i just made my first classic toon today, i had no idea its that long for levelli...
noob
ember mural
Hey guys I've been trying to research this one for quite a while but haven't found anything concrete yet and haven't had the chance to try it out yet as I'm held back by gear. I'm a gnome warrior fury prot tank with 305 daggers. Typically I main tank the mitigation fights in Naxx (Loatheb, Saph, Patch). I am soon to be 6 peice dreadnaught. Once I have 6 piece, does this allow me to remove the 5+ dagger peice for a more mitigation heavy piece? Due to the 5% increased chance to hit on certain abilities
vast echo
no gold cap oof
twin oar
What are the world buffs in tbc?
wooden sparrow
mongflower but its nerfed to like 1% crit and stats stay the same i think
twin oar
Do you guys think there’s gonna be mop classic?
polar sky
Hey guys I've been trying to research this one for quite a while but haven't fou...
No
Cant figure out if this is copypasta, but just no
bold elbow
What’s gonna be the prepatch meta in Naxx? Dual wield arms? 31/33-18/20
vague wraith
xD
brittle ore
songflower buff wont work in raid on tbc
if they do it the old way
but there is a horde side only buff that might work
late spruce
what is the most active wow classic server right now? I got up to 49 on Earthfury but it's all levelling boosts, and I can't find anybody to play with
tropic goblet
EF is a great server but not the most active from what you have to choose from
most servers are all boosts and not a lot of levelers at the moment
whitemane/faerlina are the largest and most active
frozen lynx
ive been hearing a lot of mixed stuff about warriors in TBC, is it correct that they scale good into late but are subpar early?
its been my main all classic and im just not sure if i wanna bring it to TBC if its not worth it
frosty haven
sort of, but the meta will still favor hunters/locks for pure dps
if you arent joining a meta guild you will be okay to play war
frosty haven
i never really kept up with TBC hardcore meta but war is atleast great in pvp
frozen lynx
oh then ill atleast be able to play pvp till it becomes decent in pve
awesome
warriors can use warglaives aswell right? 😉
frozen lynx
yeah since they get atk power out of agility
while we only get crit
doesnt mean its bad on us
are we still gonna use HoJ? XD
tropic goblet
while leveling sure
kindred fractal
nah glaives to warrior
Rogues press expose armor and disarm trap
Let the warriors handle the real melee dps work
brittle ore
first things, warrior is not good in pve because of aggro cap which is one of the main issue after t6 in tbc, even though on super high end people want hunter, not rogue warlock bc of their 30s fd
second warrior is not good after s3 because rogue can really do more thing than warrior after that season
the best comb for 2s is mostly rp or rd, depend on their opponent
gaunt quartz
can someone help me remember what the name of that tanking buff please? Vengeance? I think all tanks got it too. IIRC it gave % AP stacking over time?
plucky pumice
ajajaja
pearl elbow
hit cap is 6% with 305+ weapon skill when using two handers or sword and boarding right? with both whites and yellows? or do whites have a higher hit cap? the way I was explained was dual wield penalty affects white hit cap so its a lot higher when dual wielding but only the 6% with 305 weapon skill when you arent dual wielding.
peak fern
@uncut hare MoP changed that. TBC just made the pathfinding better and made it so if you were slowed and charged you didn't have that really weird slow charge.
strong fossil
I swear I thought I had in combat charge in cata
raw cosmos
@frozen lynx 25 mans should always bring 1 dps arms warrior for the buff to other meeles atleast
wooden sparrow
buffing the other 4 melee pog
frozen lynx
yeah thats true
ive heard we deal decent damage through tier 6 but we struggle with threat
so wouldnt the Fetish of the Sand Reaver solve that?
frozen lynx
i mean thats atleast what ive heard
that fury into later phases deals good damage but doesnt have threat mitigation
like rogue does
wooden sparrow
berserker stance has threat mitigation iirc
frozen lynx
battle stance has built in threat mitigation afaik
but you wanna be in serk stance
additionally execute has a 1.25 threat multiplier
and heroic strike also has a bonus threat multiplier
wooden sparrow
frozen lynx
yeah afaik battle stance is 0.8 threat timer
thats still a good change tho
the threat redux
wooden sparrow
ha ha !
bright karma
<@161418384997613568> 25 mans should always bring 1 dps arms warrior for the buf...
it's mostly for the hunters 
pearl vine
question what enchant should i put on my whirlwind axe
Feiry Weapon or Crusader?
frosty haven
i'm no levelling theorycrafter or min maxer
but i think either has potential
crusader is more powerful and the heal component is useful, but the buff is wasted if you proc at a bad time
fiery much more consistent
strong fossil
dont waste a crusader on it youll replace it in 10 levels max
pearl vine
ok gotcha 
wooden sparrow
fiery for sure
summer stratus
I'd crusader it, dirt cheap, and the damage potential is huge especially rolling through dungeons with a shaman constant plow town
wooden sparrow
dirt cheap is heavily realm dependant
summer stratus
do it anyways
wooden sparrow
i wouldnt call 80g+ cheap to use for a leveling weapon you swap after a few levels but u do u
summer stratus
you can get kang or executioners, at least I did on my second war, and enchant that too
it's not a few levels, level 30 to like 44 for kang?
summer stratus
oh well ok
wooden sparrow
its like 3-4 levels later
summer stratus
yeah
eternal topaz
Hello, this is an honest question. I have never played a warrior ever. But have been playing wow for some time.
I am level 14 protection and I am having trouble with threat especially with aoe.
summer stratus
Better off tanking that level as dps with two hander.
agile elm
Or tank as arms 🤷🏼 i did that untill lvl 50 something
tropic goblet
As low level arms you’re tabbing and sundering still you just hit harder. Don’t spec out of arms until you’re level 60 ready to do your first raid
strong fossil
Hello, this is an honest question. I have never played a warrior ever. But have ...
Assuming your comparing to retail experience, classic wow is not about holding threat 24/7 on every mob like you can do in retail. Your job is pretty much just do the best you can and if no one dies, youre good. Tab sunder, and save taunt for when a mob goes onto a clothie. Mail and plate wearers can tank for a while so dont worry too much if they steal off you in the leveling process
vale oxide
If you are tanking 3 mobs, what you can do is sunder the 'off" mobs then taunt skull off the dps and steal his threat
proud bobcat
Is there any other thought to put into stances for leveling other than macroing for abilities like bash and charge? Just sit in battle til one of those is needed?
eternal topaz
do i ever stance switch while tanking? cause i lose all rage, but i lose access to abilities
strong fossil
Is there any other thought to put into stances for leveling other than macroing ...
Assuming you have tactical mastery, charge in battle stance to gen some rage then swap to zerker soon as you get to the mob
Assuming you're at least 36 that is. Pre that I would just stay in battle
lilac granite
@spare schooner not allowed here - see #promotion
dense bough
Assuming you're at least 36 that is. Pre that I would just stay in battle
Is that mean Rend is no longer good, and it's better to just spam whirlwind once hit 36
strong fossil
you dont really ever rend in pve
dense bough
So pre 36 just spam sunder and heroic?
I've been using rend and put points into the talent lol
trim snow
is there also a discord for classic warriors?
frosty haven
trim snow
thanks!
grim turtle
Have a question regarding DEEP Prot Warriors. I realize there is a prot BiS sheet in fightclub, but i dont think it covers DEEP prot. Am i wrong or is there another sheet out there that could help?
twin oar
indigo sentinel
kang the decapitator dropped for me while levelling do i sell it?
ripe valve
Has there been any warrior sims with the new necrolord banner?
strong fossil
It's 2006, you log into your family PC in the kitchen to finish up a quest in Swamp of Sorrows. The meaning of words like "sims" and "necrolord" slowly fade away as you search for crystals to loot among the mire.
wooden sparrow
Who asked
loud reef
Hey, is there a list of stat weights for arms warrior out there somewhere (to be used to find the better bits of gear whilst leveling up)
sterile cedar
sharp glacier
How will fury be in classic tbc?
coral echo
guys which is better for boss fights and which is better for trash/cleave fights BRE or dark edge? for 2h fury
kindred fractal
That depends on a lot of things
For trash cleave bre probably
for bosses it depends on if ur orc or human or other race and it also depends on the armor debuffs ur raid uses
Generally speaking dark edge is probably going to perform better on bosses
cedar moss
what is BIS covenant rn for arms war pvp
wooden sparrow
Wrong channel
cedar moss
wooden sparrow
@cedar moss #223972896219856896
twin oar
What's better, arms or fury
wooden sparrow
binmy
twin oar
That does sound very binny
wooden sparrow
it is truly a bin
twin oar
I've never binned such a bin in a bin
verbal roost
With TBC so close, which is better from the ST Warrior quest, shoulders, helm, or diamond flask
I know Diamond Flask takes a slight nerf as + to heal no longer affects the healing portion of the trinket
wooden sparrow
polar sky
hallow sinew
guys which is better for boss fights and which is better for trash/cleave fights...
I tested BRE vs Ashkandi on hundreds of fights as undead.
BRE is great for Trashfights and dungeons. But if you oneshot everything and the proc doesn't appear immediatly, the higher dmg weapon works better.
On bosses overall Ashkandi performed better.
Simulations show this aswell, but i wouldn't trust those, regarding the proc.
As Horde Dark Edge is definitely better on bosses.
If you play Human, you shouldn't play 2h anyways, cause it only works fine with windfury.
hallow sinew
Hello guys,
a few month ago i have found Landsouls TBC Spreadsheet on the forums of a german private server.
As several people were asking me to reupload the file, i shared it via reddit.
You can find my post here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/m65vuh/tbc_warrior_spreadsheet_by_landsoul/
misty dagger
Which Covenant would you recommend if im trying to go ARMS pvp and Tank m+ ?
wooden sparrow
wrong channel
maiden mauve
xD
slender scarab
Hey guys, a couple of questions:
Fury is slow mh fast oh right? And Fury dw tanking is fast fast?
Also, has anyone tried leveling as prot in tbc? (I heard dw devaste spam could be quite good) or is it better to just go Fury/prot hybrid for tanking Dungeons while leveling?
hallow sinew
The speed of our offhand should be faster than your mainhand. It doesn't need to be much faster, but it shouldn't be the same speed (so you can toggle heroic strike).
Two fast weapons could be better, if you receive a bonus in weapon rating. You should sim the difference.
Dual wield tanking can happen with two faster weapons, if you cannot get rid of your rage otherwise. A slower offhand can also help, if you don't have enough crit, to maintain flurry up (slower offhand will consume less flurry stacks).
If you level tbc via questing, devastate dual wield will not be better than fury. But if you want to level through dungeons, all groups will be searching for tanks.
But normalmodes can be tanked without prot spec anyways, if you are well geared from classic.
slender scarab
So if im a freshly dinged warrior, i should probably Think about going full prot for tanking, is what im hearing You say?
hallow sinew
I cannot answer that in only a few words..
With the tbc prepatch prot will be the go-to for pure tanking.
Right now, prot is only better for tanking, if you need a shield ALL the time, have no world buffs and bad equipment. Otherwise, you would tank as furyprot.
But this all depends on your group, especially your healers and also on the question which content you are going to play. Dungeons (you don't need a tank in classic dungeons) Raids(can your healers keep you alive)?
slender scarab
I Think Its more im not really sure how difficult normal mode tbc dungeons are, because i fully understand that prot is just plain better for surv, but is it needed for normal modes, like You say that You dont need tanks for classic dungeons.
Without being compensated by gear
And also, than You for the in depth replies
hallow sinew
The tuning for incoming damage will be higher compared to classic dungeons. But if you got a shield, you won't need to spec prot. You could spend 3 points into prot to enhance the aggro dealt with bloodthirst.
For myself, i will probably change my talents on lvl70 to grind heroic dungeons as prot. Until then, i will stay fury and switch between 2h, onehanders and a shield depending on the situation.
bright karma
i tanked all tbc heroics as arms
it wasn't always pleasant but it's doable
(this was pre-nerf heroics yeah, the post-nerf heroics are just easy in general)
slender scarab
Awesome, thx for the advice guys
hallow sinew
👍
crude verge
guys I have a human warrior at level 60 and I want to mainly do PvP in TBC, should I reroll gnome? how much of a difference will it make?
tardy summit
guys I have a human warrior at level 60 and I want to mainly do PvP in TBC, shou...
yes, you should if you mainly want to PvP. it's a big difference
perception is meant to be better in TBC though so if you're more like 60% PvP 40% PvE perhaps stay human
thin marlin
I played human pala back in the day on tbc and was s3 gladiator. Perception never sees rogues on a good distance but all other stealths u can see through its especially good vs druids
next merlin
is the best alliance race still human for pve dps warrior? or any other races could catch up? p
rain rose
@next merlin Unless things have changed since i last played then yes, humans still are
kindred fractal
ya human
since naxx is out u can get the sword skill weapon of KT
so non-humans are still very competitive
but that being said... good luck getting the KT sword unless u have 300k gold or a guild that loves u
ripe scroll
Any1 tested 2-h sword / 2-h mace specs in beta yet?
indigo wharf
clever widget
Just started classic wow, played OG vanilla but not played this iteration, preparing for TBC, any experts i could pump a few questions at?
outer shoal
Does anyone know which patch they changed slam where it pauses the swing timer?
hallow sinew
Does anyone know which patch they changed slam where it pauses the swing timer?
That was just a bug and was fixed a long time ago. Like something around december '19
outer shoal
F
kindred fractal
They changed it sometime in phase 2 or 3
i feel like phase 3 because i have a very distinct memory of one shotting priests with slam + aa + mortal strike
in alterac valley
wanton galleon
Does any1 know if you can change Specialization for BS coming into TBC. Currently Master Axesmith, if i had to go for Hammersmith for TBC, would that mean - i've to redo BS & take Hammer or will there be a quest in TBC to choose Master hammersmith?
fast atlas
kindred fractal
Str > spirit > agi > stam
I like running a str spirit build for questing
Str agi works fine too
polar sky
Does any1 know if you can change Specialization for BS coming into TBC. Currentl...
You pay 100g iirc
dusty herald
so am I going crazy or did warriors not have victory rush starting out in TBC ?
polar sky
They prob do
peak fern
so am I going crazy or did warriors not have victory rush starting out in TBC ?
They do have Victory Rush, but it doesn't heal in TBC
clever widget
Hey all, guild is wanting me to tank atleast till TBC, we've all just came back to classic to level alts ect. Is there some form of hybrid tank / dps talent setup that'll get me through dungeon content with them till i go full dps in TBC?
frosty haven
while levelling you should talent deep arms, you dont need any prot talents to tank until you're doing 55-60 content
just keep a shield handy for dungeons
clever widget
is that purely 2hd and swap shield for dungeons?
summer stratus
Just be higher level for content as a warrior and it’s way easier. No fun tickling mobs and lacking threat. Also makes it easier to 2h dungeons
warm zinc
If rogue use Improved Expose Armor, should be warrior tank get agro from not applyeble Sunder armor?
kindred fractal
yeah use battle shout
elfin root
crude verge
hi guys. I heard there are some items from blacksmithing that would be good/bis in TBC, would the recipes for them require reputation with any of the new TBC factions? how expensive will they likely be on the AH?
I want to know if having an alt for blacksmithing instead of a main in TBC is okay or will I have to have it on main
tropic folio
If you talk about weapons, no, they dont require any rep. They require to be that same spec of blacksmithing the weapon type is
but you can pay to switch between specs
crude verge
I'm talking about all armor
but I just read that Stormherald is BoP so I guess it'll have to be on my main either way 😛
tropic folio
Ye all weps are BoP, armor i have no idea, im just focusing on weps
gaunt fulcrum
Would you guys say to do fury for leveling to 60 or arms?
kindred fractal
arms
technically fury is more efficient but u have to abuse spell batching enrage or run slam with a 2h
arms is simple and fun
big sweeping strikes, overpower, and mortal strike
nocturne sigil
I'm looking for a classic class that has a couple of things to do in raid, aka the oppisate of mage. Does warrior have alot of buttons to press
?
hallow sinew
I'm looking for a classic class that has a couple of things to do in raid, aka t...
The most, yes.
There is no other class with as many buttons in your rotations, like a warrior got.
crisp canyon
Prot paladin has more
Affliction warlock too
Personally I recommend shadow priest, while not top dps, they bring utility and a fun rotation!
hallow sinew
Affliction? Naaaaah. A warlock got many spells in general. But you still have a debuff cap. Otherwise warlocks press either seed, or shadowbolt. In heroic there is no time for dots either.
teal vector
what talent tree is good for leveling ? new to classic
paper acorn
arms
teal vector
ty for reply
willow basin
I hit 60 last week and I already have almost all my pre raid bis - what should I be focusing on in this phase? I plan on playing tbc so should I just be prepping for that?
somber sundial
I hit 60 last week and I already have almost all my pre raid bis - what should I...
tbc isn't for at least 2 months
willow basin
Yeah that's cool, I guess what I mean is that should I still try to spam ubrs, then ony, bwl, and so on?
Looking for a catch up or something that people are running that I can get into
Been making my own groups for UBRS so far, all attunements done except naxx
polar sky
Just join a guild which raids with their alts on old content
Theyre gunna funnel you gear
cunning lotus
if i come back to the game now, can i still get tabard of the defender? the argent dawn one
dapper turtle
Stupid question here, I keep looking everywhere and the answers are so weird to this question.
Is it pointless levelling alts atm? Do I have to pay to transfer each individual alt to TBC server, or do you pay to stay on Classic Servers and all the servers roll over to TBC with all your characters by default?
frosty haven
every character regardless of level will be given the option to pick between TBC and vanilla on launch
you dont have to pay to make that choice
the only thing you can pay for is to copy your character so it can be in both, or to boost a character to 58
dapper turtle
Alright. You basically only pay for cloning + boost?
dapper turtle
So I'm not wasting my time levelling alts for fun then?
frosty haven
not at all
dapper turtle
Alright, awesome. Thank you for the clarification.
summer stratus
I wish vanilla had that cloning option. Really wanted my warrior to stay the way it was. It was like tbc erased all my achievements
hallow sinew
It has, if you pay money.
summer stratus
I’m talking about back in the day. I know it’s long gone but I guess im still bitter.
carmine harness
Hey i have a quick question, should i use a 2H until i reach 60? if not, when should i change?
i'm currently level 40 with 27/4/0 trying to spec into mortal strike
summer stratus
2h till you are raiding
carmine harness
and i spec into mortal strike right?
summer stratus
Generally yeah. But there’s powerful 2h fury builds and hybrid fury builds if you are doing dungeons to level that are strong if you play with wf. Bt is just not worth using till end game either.
But most don’t know how to take advantage of those builds so arms is simple.
teal vector
so is it possible to tank low level dungeons ?
im going fury/prot talent as i level idk if im doing it wrong
hallow sinew
Do not use any defensive talent before 60. You do not need that.
Furyprot generally is only viable if your healers can hold you alive if you tank without a shield, or when you play with good (60 epics) off equipment and worldbuffs.
teal vector
noted thanks
steady palm
play arms spec in every single dungeons until you decide to raid. just use a shield when needed. fury/prot is garbage when you lvl even if its strictly through dungeons
outer fulcrum
Hey lads, will the Diamond flask still be a thing in tbc (: ?
steady palm
useful trinket initially but healing part wont scale with +healing gear anymore
placid lance
so for pre-patch classic. GoA vs Aged Core Leather Gloves for Orc Fury war using axes?
proven solar
Hello I m New to this game and I m looking for some1 to lvl up in party have some exp playing as warrior
pearl vine
hey have a question i wanna play tank when i get 60 but idk if i should go full prot tank or a hybrid tank with fury and prot talents?
so was wondering if any of u guys would be able to give me some info that could help me decide 🙂
hallow sinew
It totally depends on your content and group. For dungeons you don‘t need a Tank. Just a dps spec and a shield.
For raids you can go full prot spec, when you have bad healers and no worldbuffs. But all dps will have threat problems in this case.
You rather watch some guides for the raiding case.
carmine harness
hey, i have a question here, i am level 51 specced to mortal strike and using the axe that drops from rotgrip in maraudon and i find i do very little damage, should i be going fury at this point?
bold elbow
I beat the game
lilac quail
You can do as you like at this point. Honestly fury probably feels better if you have a little bit of crit
polar sky
I beat the game
Alot did 3 months ago
polar sky
hey, i have a question here, i am level 51 specced to mortal strike and using th...
Lvl up to 60 then go fury
bold elbow
Alot did 3 months ago
Nope I’m the first
polar sky
Rip ur life
bold elbow
Rip ur life
Rip your joke comprehension
polar sky
Reep reep
hallow sinew
„Joke“.
It’s 69 because of sex, oink oink.
sleek nest
hey have a question i wanna play tank when i get 60 but idk if i should go full ...
go fury prot. u really only need a shield for patchwerk
sleek nest
I beat the game
same tho
hallow sinew
go fury prot. u really only need a shield for patchwerk
With a good group this is true. With a bad group you won‘t have a chance tanking ZG bosses or 5 man dungeon-bosses without a shield.
sleek nest
yeah true, crazy to think that ppl still suck after 6 phases
bold elbow
„Joke“.
It’s 69 because of sex, oink oink.
It’s 6969 can you read?
hallow sinew
It’s 6969 can you read?
shiiiiieeeet you are right!
bold elbow
shiiiiieeeet you are right!
iKr
polar sky
yeah true, crazy to think that ppl still suck after 6 phases
Nubstaek
hallow sinew
yeah true, crazy to think that ppl still suck after 6 phases
Crazy to think that ppl still suck after 16 years. But people are backpedaling anyways and do not find their buttons. Regardless of retail or Classic.
You will always find those players and have to expect the worst.
polar sky
You all suck 😏
hallow sinew
We all do.
polar sky
😦 truth
sleek nest
😏
slender scarab
truth is we all suck its just world of warcraft is an ez game
polar sky
@lusty gyro fuck you
lusty gyro
@lusty gyro fuck you
dreamy ice
@dreamy ice 
polar sky
Kromcrush boyz represent
trim token
at level 50, whirlwind Axe, or Stoneslayer?
dreamy ice
very easily stoneslayer
trim token
okie dokie, gotta level my 2h swords then
should I switch my spec to take sword spec?
polar sky
Might as well
dreamy ice
if you have spare 15-20 gold or whatever your respec cost is (including respec back)
sword spec is good
although i don't think arms is the fastest spec to level 
you might like to look into 2h fury
dreamy ice
anyway the big sword is a lot better
wide fractal
Does "Dual Wield Spec" (+25% Off Hand Dmg) increase the Dmg of Shield Slam?
dreamy ice
no
it increases the white damage of your offhand only
no ability in classic uses your offhand
wide fractal
Shield Slam used the offhand ;)
But yeah, sad.
dreamy ice
well it uses your shield block value
which is not dual wielding
and thus has nothing to do with dual wield spec
anyway like i said dual wield spec is only white damage
vapid heron
do i buy higher ranks of sunder armor while leveling? the guide doesn't mention whether or not to
polar sky
Stacking 5 sunders is the biggest dps gain u can get
vapid heron
is that a yes
hallow sinew
Yes
languid jungle
Think there’s time to level a fresh toon to 60 before TBC?
hallow sinew
Depends on how much time you can spend. You should estimate 6-8 days of playtime, so around 150-200 hours, depending on your experience.
visual dove
Took me a bit more than 3 week to get a lv60 warrior which was around 8 days of playtime
Had a few hours wasted into me wanting to do specific quests or getting ganked by lv60s
hallow sinew
That’s more than 9 hours of playtime per day. He probably wouldn’t ask if he could afford that much time.