vanilla-discussion

[hexed wasp]

Just joined this server and read through yesterdays chat, holy fuck is that guy an incel haha

Dont let these hater wow nerds keep you down Golganarr

Most Warriors top parsing 20% below in damage than everyone else are wearing greens and BFD gear,
we scale better than everyone else with gear, no doubt we can close a 20% gap in damage

[potent maple]

yeah when he started ad homineming I just kinda started to lol

[hexed wasp]

People are just rude and dont know how to act towards others, idk why people have to go full blown toxic
because someone doesn’t have the same opinion regarding a worthless ass parse #. Play for fun boys never forget

[timid loom]

Mark of Kern or Ironspine's Eye ? w/ Protectors band? I know the Faq channel says both protectors band but every other page shows using multiple other rings

[hexed wasp]

according to sim tool https://guybrushgit.github.io/WarriorSim/ ; Ironspine is better dps

also Ironspine can be affected by Hunter 10% stat buff too unlike kern since its just atk pwr

[round wind]

Hey guys for tanking sm to power level. Basic comp nothing cleave ir fancy. Shield or two one handers.

Seeing how there's been changes to devastate i'm just re evaluating how I play

[gray raven]

I just hit 40 and am looking to tank gnomer in the near future, but i was having lots of trouble holding threat in BFD, even with the alpha buff

i feel like i'm doing something very wrong

Tanking as arms, tanking as prot, no matter what I'm always constantly fighting to hold threat

[hexed wasp]

I struggle to hold threat too when I have to tank, I found a some success last night really spamming my uptimes on thunderclap, whirlwind, sweeping strikes .

Running arms 2hand, still struggle with holding threat for melee hunter and mage aoe tho ofc; so I too am interested if y’all have tips 😅

[wraith star]

I feel like they should buff prot threat gen no? It feels so bad to tank as warrior atm

[round wind]

so deff gonna be running 2 hand then because well need the threat gen. can someone explan how that works, what i want in each hand. DPS top weapon damage weapon speed idk how it works these days

[shell crystal]

Sooo basically the 2h mace from pvp is dog water?

[tacit vault]

its bis till gnomer two hander isnt it?

[shell crystal]

Deep arms with mace is kinda ugly though no?

[tulip igloo]

2h mace is trash

last troll from devs betrayed by their wives

[tame plume]

Currently 5/6 as the MT but it's a comp issue (1 caster in group) taunt-> furious thunder -> sunder spam ->taunt, shield block on cd feels very comfortable, had zero issues doing tank swaps with the paladin OT other than some unfortunate resists. Talents are deep Prot minus shield slam since I put max into 1h and the overflow into parry

Current gear with no WB/Consumables. Will be swapping bracers for the PVP ones and the shield for the engineering one.

The most annoying fight goes to thermaplugg, why is there 4 phases and AQ40 armor on boss 😅

Focused rage is to make the sunders fast/cheap as possible so there's plenty of rage for everything else (defensive cds)

[pure bough]

So wowhead just updated today saying 2x 1H Fury is the best tanking build - not using devistate? Any have an idea what our rotation would be with this? Are we still fighting in Defensive stance and using Sunder? It's confused the hell out of me 😦

[novel dew]

I’m dual Wielding a 2.2 and a 1.9, is it unrealistic to try and heroic strike queue every swing or should I absolutely be trying to get every single offhand swing with the Queue

[violet linden]

Following

[wind trail]

Follow

[tulip igloo]

Is there any specific place to ask about macro issue ?

[violet linden]

Anyone got some good and clean pvp nameplate recommendations?

[potent maple]

im not amazing with macros but might be able to help, what do u need?

I will also preface that message with ill be busy this evening so my response may not be super quick

[timid loom]

nice ty

[timid loom]

2H for dungeons what i did was got my Windfury Axe at lvl 33 and its helped out replaced it with Ravenger for AOE cleave

@hexed wasp I'll tag this in for you too sense you mentioined threat issues

I run flagellation and just stance dance but ive been getting a lot of compliments on my tanking cause im holding threat really well (and also pumping numbers)

1. Charge
2. Clap
3. Berserker Stance (I have the Stance + The Rage macrod )
4. Follow up with whirlwind (if you have Rav for whatever reason this usually procs right after unless its just my RNG )
5. Clap
6. Stance change into Battle and activate Sweeping Strikes
7. Repeat Cleave, Whirlwind when its up, and clap

Also just keep an enrage up on CD when pulling unless its like 3-4 mobs then just cleave and clap + Rage / Whirlwind

I did some researching in some forums and what ive found is

Ravager for tanking dungeons
Whirl wind for ST Tanking
Bonebiter for DPS (but id assume it'd be good for warrior tanking cause of the +5 extra Str even though youll lose a bit of stam)

[tulip igloo]

I created a macro with both intercept & intervene. In my thought it would be something like "I target a friend so intervene is used, I target an enemy so intercept is use" But in fact it happens that I target a friend and intercept is used on a random enemy around or I target an enemy and intervene is used on a friend. I don't understand why, I tried to switch which one was first in line on the macro but it doesn't matter.

[hexed wasp]

Thanks!!

[timid loom]

I don’t think you can throw both in the same macro. Might have to be two separate ones. I would do a mouse over macro for intervene and a focus macro for the intercept. Or if you want to try again maybe just do 1 macro but try mouse over for both

You could set up a focus macro for a party / raid member then do a intercept on a focus enemy so whoever you have on focus anyone they target you will intercept

[languid crater]

have folks tried out the dual wield build with dismantle on it yet?

[potent maple]

Ye I have

It did 2-3% of my fam in mechanical mobs

[tawdry reef]

Hey everyone is there a way i can macro Whirlwind & Slam within the same button?

for the bloodsurge rune

[novel dew]

Castsequence probably has something you can do with it

[haughty turret]

Heya guys. Question about SoD. In about to start playing some Sod and want to play warrior. What is best to level as and recommendations or guides etc?

[timid loom]

https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/268491842637660160

doesnt really matter how you do it just grab a 2H and start whacking shit

at level 16 dungeon grind imo

[haughty turret]

Feel like is good to know beforehand like which runes to get etc

[tame plume]

Arms for leveling, then either go deep or swap to Prot for dungeons

[tame plume]

Do you mind posting gear? Idk how 2h war survives the 6th gnomer boss with all the damage spikes, even with a shield it feels clunky for me (although it'll feel less clunky with familiarity)

What are your defensive cds?

[potent maple]

Nah you can’t. As someone said earlier u can do a cast sequence but I would recommend highly against that.

[novel dew]

Why would you suggest against a cast sequence?

[potent maple]

Because you don’t always want to cast slam after whirlwind. You will definitely lose some auto attacks if you are spamming it and not careful

It’s just better to have 2 separate keybinds and to press the other key when you get a proc

Also something to think about is slam resets your main hand swing timer

[gray zealot]

is pendulum of doom bis? Seems better than gnomer axe and the pvp wep, no?

[timid loom]

I actually haven’t tanked the raid yet I just leveled prot cause of quicker Que’s to get into dungeons (and also to funnel myself loot with no competition lol)

I’m planning on playing Arms I just hit 40 a few hours ago I was talking more so about dungeon threat then anything else. But I do know Wowhead finally dropped P2 BIS list for prot warrior the other day

[round wind]

pretty sure wow head is allready look at this like were out of progression and need to hold threat more than stay alive

is it just me or do we fucking suck compared to some tanks. Been running SM and i went for a few runs as dps with cleave. What the actually fuck... pallies im at 39 and half want to reroll with how braindead easy they seem to have it

[sage kettle]

So I went into my first sod gnomer as a Warrior tank, trying to follow the help I got on a different Warrior discord. They gave me some advice that resulted in my lowest parse ever. I was suggested to check here. Is two handed arms the way to go over dual fury?

[novel dew]

Even if its instant cast?

[potent maple]

Yes

[novel dew]

So its optimal to use it Instantly after main swing right?

[potent maple]

Seems that way yeah

Unless I’m stupid and it makes ur auto swing instead of reset

But I very seriously doubt that lol

[novel dew]

I'll probably test it in a little bit

got my first 99th% last night

[potent maple]

Yeah shouldn’t take too long to find out , I just haven’t tested yet and I was playing fury + in dungeon so it was a little muddied by other things taking my attention

Gratz

[novel dew]

Its been a fun month of learning wow

met some cool people

[cinder berry]

raging berserkers is 26ap and 1 crit, twilight avengers is 29ap, with a big part of that comign from agil. is the 3ap worth the .13% crit chance on raging?

[novel dew]

wait its been a month on the dot today 😮

[potent maple]

Wow is a fun game to learn haha, I’m personally much more learned in retail. But I do ok here

[potent maple]

Do you have 3 set from last tier

[novel dew]

Used my own talent tree because I think the recommended one feels weird in gnome

[potent maple]

Also it’s only 18 ap on twilight hat. Ago doesn’t actually give us a melee AP, just a ranged unless that changed from last phase

[cinder berry]

2set and the crafted chest atm. but im more looking at when i replace the boots tbh

[potent maple]

Oh when you replace the boots it’s definitely better

[cinder berry]

my stats bar is showing higher AP with the twilight equipped

[potent maple]

I’ve only not replaced with Herod helm bc I am wearing 3set

[novel dew]

is there a % crit that i should be looking to hit?

sitting around 30% rn and was wondering if that's considered okay or not

[potent maple]

ima post a few ss for reference: this is the item I will be equiping and unequipping. no str on it only 3 agi

on:

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[potent maple]

you have 30% crit? damn thats a lot of fucking crit how

do you have world buffs on and flasks and such?

[novel dew]

Yeah without buffs its 25.3%

I was highballing from memory, i apologise

Btw, do you know why axes seem to give more crit chance than they're supposed to?

[potent maple]

talented into axe spec?

[novel dew]

Yes but that should only make +10% crit when I wield an axe right?

5 from cruelty 5 from axe spec

i get 12

[potent maple]

I have no idea haha

[novel dew]

This is what i mean btw

Doesn't matter the axe, still just gives an extra 2% crit just because i guess

[potent maple]

so from a very preliminary search

well question first

what is ur unarmed skill

[novel dew]

150

[potent maple]

that would be it

you gain crit from weapon skill

[novel dew]

Ah

That makes a lot more sense

Thank you, I seem to learn something every day.

[potent maple]

haha I am too, only been learing classic since the start of p1 sod

theres a lot of depth to all of the stats and stuff, ofc not as much as retail but still a lot to think about

[novel dew]

There's just a bunch of hidden things that aren't in tooltips you find from testing wierd stuff out

Like anger management giving you rage

[wide fractal]

We heared here that it doesn't. Did you test it?

[potent maple]

@wide fractal

[wide fractal]

Hmm I guess that's just a bug.

[potent maple]

the easiest thing is to just go to the dummies in 1k needles but I am in IF atm, and ive been addicted to helldivers XD

[torpid pivot]

Trying to find a guide with updated builds/runes. Wowhead guide unfortunately hasn't been updated for p2 with talents/runes. Anyone have a good link?

[timid loom]

I’m not on my computer but I just googled “bis p2 sod warrior” the top link is what I’ve been using for runes wowhead has an updated gear/Talents

Can also use the links posted in SOD channel in the Fight Club discord

They have rotations and all the links tips in the world in there

[timid loom]

Good ol SM disarms

[novel dew]

And BFD haha

[novel dew]

I tested it, it does reset swing timer

[feral glen]

anybody have a talent build for tanking? was thinking to run dual wield instead of shield for gnome

[worn pier]

this build has been working well for me https://www.wowhead.com/classic/guide/season-of-discovery/classes/warrior/tank-bis-gear-pve

[worthy socket]

with this build im assuming we run it basically like classic tanking, in prot spec and just adding slam into the mix when it procs? thats what it feels like, im just making sure

**defensive, not prot

[hexed briar]

Hello everyone, hope you're all having a good day. Just wanted to ask a question and get some opinions. I'm currently playing SoD on an arms warrior and just got the scarlet gauntlets which have 8 strength and 7 agi on them however I am currently using the warsong gauntlets which have 10 strength and 3 stam. So my question is, is it worth losing the 2 strength to gain the 7 agi?

[vernal hull]

Hey anyone in here a tank main willing to help me out lol curious on what tanks are using rn cause I think ima start tanking over dps

Mainly wondering what runes people are going for tanks, also fury the way to go?

[wind trail]

Flagellation, single minded fury, CBR, rallying cry, blood surge

[zinc turret]

Any good tanking builds for gnome raid?

[inner mica]

Hey guys, I tried DW first time in raid yesterday and was not that happy with the results, despite blue/purple logs.

https://vanilla.warcraftlogs.com/reports/tLD4dgHyvV8Nzmkr

Anyone can give some feedback for improvement? I basically popped rage pot, got to 80 rage as soon as I can and then fished for slam procs. Anything I missed?

We missed a feral, that probably didn't help.

[mystic linden]

Enchant 2H - Impact (+5 damage) vs. Iron Counterweight (3% attack speed) seems pretty close but would the 3% attack speed pull ahead with buffs?

[novel dew]

I’d assume so past a certain power point

Horde being able to do big boy damage with axe proficiency while I’m stuck with a sword

[vernal hull]

Going fury? And dw I’m assuming

[wind trail]

Yes

[pearl veldt]

man, with everyone else getting 10-45 min buffs, my already rage starved warrior cries every 2 mins when he has to shout xD

[novel dew]

Bro fr

I wanna keep my cycle up but gotta keep these goofy goobers topped up with both shouts xd

[zinc turret]

Anyone able to share some Info? Would appreciate it!

[slender scarab]

any sod enjoyers can tell me which spec is better dumping points into for levelling ?

been doing arms for 31 level and wondering if process is faster with fury?

to kill something that is

[novel dew]

I’ve found fury being better for open world and arms being better for gnome

Or at least 26/5/0 for gnome cus of deep wounds

Fury just feels smoother

[oak vine]

do you go prot for tanking while dungeon grinding at 30?

[errant wing]

I prefer arms bc sweeping strikes is very useful for pulling more than one mob as well as dealing dmg in aoe pulls for dungeons

[noble aurora]

Is there a WA for Blood surge rune procs?

[potent maple]

https://wago.io/HznUFsg3b

[potent maple]

^

[cinder berry]

how much better is arms than fury?

[dry fossil]

so if im swapping from LW too BS for the void touched pieces i just need to go get "the box" again from bfd and redo that part of the quest right?

[mystic linden]

the lost and found vendor has the shard i think

[opal saffron]

whats better, triprunners from the Q or scarlet legs?

[raw oyster]

hi guys, am currently playing sod as a warrior and want to dual wield. is a slow MH and fast OH better then a slow MH and slow OH?

[strange lily]

look for higher stats/DPS in our offhand. Currently the pre-bis isn’t hard to get. The PvP mace mh and vanquisher sword offhand. Then if you get the fist main hand only weapon in Gnomeregan the mace becomes your offhand

[slender scarab]

I don't think this answers the question. DPS is average damage * speed. A higher DPS weapon can be either fast or slow. The OP is asking how to decide between a faster or slower weapon in the main and off hands. Also, how do you decide between a weapon with higher stats over a more favorable speed?

[wide fractal]

Fast offhand gives you a little more rage from this one talent I forgot the name.

Slow mainhand is better cause skills like Whirlwind do more dmg cause they scale with actual weapon dmg.

[slender scarab]

In phase 1 of SOD a slow main hand and fast offhand was used to hunt for Deep Wounds procs, and the Deep Wounds damage is based on your main hand even when proc'd from the offhand. Phase 2 opens a lot more of the Fury tree, so there are likely better options now.

[errant wing]

fast off hand is probably better then yes?

[pearl veldt]

Fast offhand is bad for fury dw because it eats up your flurry stacks. Or so Ive been told

[hybrid snow]

Hey guys! I have a question, im gonna raid gnomereagan with my friends on Thursday and im gonna tank, but im unsure what to play as? The guide indicates sword and board is less threat, and that dual wielding is the way. Is this true? Im unsure and dont wanna ruin everything for all on Thursday

[vernal hull]

hey do logs reset each week on sod or something? my logs went away and they were there yesterday lol im confused

[novel dew]

You’re probably gonna wanna be very careful as some of the bosses hit like freight trains

[novel dew]

Is that still the case?

Because having ran it 3 times now I’ve had the most success with 26/5/0 with 2H sword just stacking deep wounds

[errant wing]

they changed the way deep wounds works in p2

[slender scarab]

Anyone else basically just sidelining their warrior til phase 3 of SOD?

[stuck stream]

I have been runnin full prot with devastate, thunder clap runes, and it does not seem to keep pace with the dps' threat at all.

Thudnerclap doesn't seem terrible for AoE tanking but devastate sucks

[vagrant hound]

They nerfed devastate to 100% weapon damage per second. Which is basically 30-50 damage with pre-bis weapons.

[wind trail]

If you're running deep prot talents that is a mistake. This is not really needed for p2 -- maybe we'll see in p3.
Go 31/0/0, 26/5/0, or 0/31/0 even if you're doing 1h + shield.

That said, warrior threat feels pretty bad right now.

[zinc turret]

Warrior threat seems awful. Im tanking gnome now but I can barely hold threat

I have to use taunt on CD. Im full arms

Perhaps im doing something wrong.
Would you care to say proper rotation / and perhaps give a few tanking pointers?

Just so I can see If im doing right

Every otjer tank does more damage,holds threat better.. aoe situation is crap too..

[wind trail]

What faction are you? Also are you tanking with shield, dw, or 2h?

[zinc turret]

Horde, shield as I dont know any better

I find no phase 2 guides, I feel clueless, I just hope im doing something right but I dont know

[unique tartan]

dw fury is pretty good threat, i can hold it pretty good on bosses (trash doesnt matter)

https://vanilla.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/lone-wolf/väinö

using shield on menagerie and thermaplugg, rest dualwielding

and running with this spec

these runes

[zinc turret]

Wont I take lots of damage? 😶

[unique tartan]

thats healers issue

last 2 bosses i do use shield cause dmg is pretty high there, but on the first 4 dmg is sustainable while dualwielding

and yes, i do use deathwish on pull, and on cd, every boss

[zinc turret]

I die using a shield 😅 sweet! Ill be trying it for sure

How does the rotation look like?

[unique tartan]

hs as much as u can, slam on procs, bloodthirst on cd

[zinc turret]

I havent played since vanilla wow

Hs?

[unique tartan]

heroic strike

[zinc turret]

Ah!

[unique tartan]

i do use bers rage to get flagellant procs often

[zinc turret]

No sunder/ devastate?

[unique tartan]

cant devastate whitout shield

ofc i keep up sunders

but just 5 stacks and keep stacks alive

and if you have too much rage to use, press sunder since it can proc winfurys

[zinc turret]

I got some scarlet gear. Any advice on one handers?

[unique tartan]

wsg revered mainhand

and bloodmoon offhand

i use lot of leather pieces also on first 4 bosses, swapping plate stamina pieces for last two

[zinc turret]

I play like an hour or two a day, is there something easier to grab till then?

[unique tartan]

rfd quest mainhand is pretty decent

the sword

little less dps, but more threat

[zinc turret]

I got sword of omen is that ok

[unique tartan]

well, can use on offhand if you dont have bloodmoon mace

its not bad

too fast imo

but its not bad

[zinc turret]

Bloodmoon mace, never heard off.. ill look into it

And for aoe?

[unique tartan]

thunderclap makes decent aoethreat

but trash is not hitting much on gnomergan

i just stay in bers stance and whirlwind + thunderclap on aoe

aggro is all over the place, but its ok

on trash

also do not enchant dismantle as i did

wanted to try it, it sucks

[zinc turret]

Getting this weapon is goung to take a very long time for me 😅

[unique tartan]

if u have decent group, its 2-3 bloodmoons

if u go solo, its 15-20 bloodmoons

xD

we are not strong in solo pvp.. 😛

[zinc turret]

I dont know If any guildies pvp tbh

I play so little tbh. I login to raid and out basically

Single parent so time limited 😂

[unique tartan]

just dont get trapped and go deep prot, it sucks

[zinc turret]

So you recommend this build even for a newbie? Instead of arms that I currently use

[unique tartan]

i think its the best tanking build currently.

arms is close tho

but on arms id use 2hander

arms id spec like this

with these runes

and rotation would be quickstrike + slam, and thunder

maybe change parry to 3 pts on imp heroic strike since it affects on quick strike also

but while tanking rage is not really the issue

and as 2h id use scarlet monastery quest 2hander, or bloodmoon 2hander(15 silver coins bloodmoon)

but ofc if you are not equipping shield, you need to let healers know it. and have healers that sense light

this is the gear i use on last 2 bosses, all plate with decent stamina stat

and gear i use on first 4, has 4 leather pieces for dmg

upgraded helm to epic crafted one for the next raid, but rest are the same

[zinc turret]

We are progressing, we havent killed thr last boss in gnome yet

I just want something that works and can be built upon, but I dont have tons of time to grab items thats not easy to get, well. I do but overtime 😂

Thanks for sharing!! I went arms after tried full prot and it sucked.. I hoped full arms wpuld help with threat but im always rage starved and bottom of the dps list. I lose threat constantly

Wanted mortal strikes in hope to be better in pvp too but I have yet to try it 🤔

[unique tartan]

respec costs max 1g, so just respec for pvp

[zinc turret]

Thanks!

Ill give fury a go If raid is ok with me trying it 😂

[unique tartan]

you find it way better on threat if u do it correctly atleast

prio sunders 5 stacks > heroic strike > slam proc > bloodthirst > thunderclap

and deathwish + bers rage on pull

just let healers know that you deathwish, u take 20% more dmg

last 2 bosses change devastate and spam sunder + heroic strike + slam

[zinc turret]

I dont have pre-bis gear due to time limitation but should work ok anyway?

Ill grab a one hander from AH or from a dungeon to go with sword of omen for now and look for a pvp group when time allows 🤗

[unique tartan]

should work. rfd quest run shouldnt take too long

to grab quest onehander for mainhand

[zinc turret]

Awesome! Ill check that

Tanking dungeons is the same as in raid?

Ive had complaints before about holding aggro. I can lose it outside taunt cd in current spec

Often rage starved

[violet linden]

Anyone have a good guide with rotation etc for fury tank?

[unique tartan]

its prio rotation

sunder till 5, and keep up > heroic strike > slam (on proc or cd depending on rune) > bloodthirst > thunderclap

thats for threat

if threat no issue, swap heroic strike behind bloodthirst and keep toggling it on offhand hits

[zinc turret]

Fury 2hand does that work?
And what do you do to grab threat? Just attack or you switch stance taunt and lose rage?

[unique tartan]

stay in defensive stance whole time, expect the times you need to activate bers rage

on dungeons i use charge rune for mobility, but on raids i just walk to boss and hit it

basically, right before pull

Bers stance, activate bers rage ->
-> def stance
-> deathwish
-> rage pot
-> heroic strike + sunder until 5 stacks
-> blood rage
continue normal prio rotation (keep up sunders > heroic strike > slam (on proc or cd depending on rune) > bloodthirst > thunderclap

[zinc turret]

Wow. Thanks alot! Youre awesome

[unique tartan]

also tell ur dps to wait until you got atleast 3 stacks of sunders in for initial aggro, helps a lot

[zinc turret]

And in regards to 2hander fury, is that a no go?

[zinc turret]

Great!! Good idea. I feel most attack before i even charge in lol

[unique tartan]

i dont see why doesnt it work, but arms is better for 2h build, since u can take 5% extra crit there

havent tried 2h fury on sod yet, i might give it a shot sometime, but i enjoy dualwielding most anyways, since you always have button to press while dualwielding

[zinc turret]

2hander just looks so bloody awesome lol

[unique tartan]

i think only problem with 2h build rn is that you dont really have rage to press heroic strike often enough, and heroic strike makes most of your threat

[zinc turret]

And arms skills seem boring in comparisson

Ah.. makes sense

LOL im just fishing for ideas to save time.. I dont have time to min max. Just want to have fun while being a decent enough tank to get invites

[unique tartan]

it might become better than fury when you get gear for it, but with gear this early of phase id recommend going fury

also the fact i dont like to spam single button rotation (2h rotation is 99% quick srike + slam)

[zinc turret]

I play on a controller so a less Hard rotation is easier for me. But ill make dw fury work

[unique tartan]

while dualwielding you can minmax your rotation a lot, for example toggling heroic strike on for every offhand swing and toggling it off before main hand hits if you dont want to use rage for it

[round wind]

SOD Has.me cracking up right now
So you get these hard core players in vanilla that tbh most of bieng good in classic was auto attacking and having the free time to get the gear...

The amount of these elistist walling on the last boss because they are faced with actuall mechanics has me in tears

[zinc turret]

I was told to sit out on the raid due to them needing a ranged tank.
Elitist are everywhere.. always looking for someone to blame

[round wind]

Yeah my guild is fucking struggling while i watch from the bench right now. They don't wanna listen. Got 3 people with cutting edge who joined the team this season but these classic andys have mastered swing timer parsing so they know better than us

[zinc turret]

Well I suck so I wouldnt know but getting the bench because people silently blame because they cant handle the last boss mechanic

So apparently a ranged tank is better.. easy ticket out of the guild lol

If it were a world first or whatever then fine. But this is not a race anymore 😂

[round wind]

I mean the video i saw of the kill on day two had a prot warrior and a pally... trick is two druids with bombs and keeping the rest of the group away from the tabk as he needs to run

Its a retail mechic boss fight people are like wtf is this

I cant stand in the fire!!!!???

[zinc turret]

Our group didnt push the pillars so 🫣 range tank is better

😂

[round wind]

Half my guilds ready to walk. They got elitist with the comp bench half the founding members and have been walling now. Comp is kind when your not good enough to play any other way sorry to say it. Ive seen arms warriors in the top 100 on that fight the meta can be beaten lol

[zinc turret]

Ahwell. Its fun regardless. I havent played in like 19 years. This is good fun

[round wind]

Just gotta find the right crowd but thats allways been the real raid boss of wow.

[zinc turret]

Im a single parent. I got on a good day 2 hours of gametime. Its a bitch finding a party lol

[dim quiver]

I have one question about tanking as a warrior on this phase 2. How do you deal with these huge damage especialy on the last one which often hit me near 1k2-1k3 ... I got 4.1k armor

[round wind]

Save shield wall for that moment health pots lock rocks

[dim quiver]

You shield wall right after that kinds of hits ?

[round wind]

I would pop it roght before the damage is incoming

[dim quiver]

How do you know that one hit gonna hit more thant others ?

[round wind]

You wanna mitigate the damage up front proactivly and maybe lean into shield block a little right up to it of your healers need breathinv toom

Hes not hitting your back right? That will bypass armor

Like if you turn away to adjust postitoning you can get cliped

[dim quiver]

Not moving just got a hit like a crtitcal idk

Sometimes i have to move in fire phase but i wait him to cast for moving and other phases i dont really need to move

[cinder berry]

is there a good way to get the blood surge rune solo?

[novel dew]

The top warrior is like top 900 rn

[thorn dirge]

I'm on living flame trying to do it

I'm really struggling to get it solo

[cinder berry]

GL, ended up having a guildie come all the way out to help me, then got it in 2 kills lmao

[thorn dirge]

I got it off my first ogre, now I'm on the badlands part and that fortress is brutal

[cinder berry]

ouch, GL!

[west furnace]

is this normal vanilla or SOD too?

[haughty turret]

Planning on playing SoD. Can someone please check if im able to create a character on the server Lone Wolf EU? Since last time I was about to start the realm was full, so I don’t wanna refill my subscription before I know I can make a character there

[potent maple]

both, though mainly people talk about sod in here currently as its the most popular version of vanilla rn

[west furnace]

ok cool. i was just looking to find out like how rough it is for other tanks to hold threat in here. i went sword and board with increased threat , but feeling like i may have to dual wield fury to keep up with the pumpers in my group ever since they gutted devastate.

[slender scarab]

same reason I'm here to check I'm in the right headspace, you need to instruct them to let you position and not go flat out/balls on the pull

if you are on A side you want to take advantage of salv (on dps).. although in real world you wont have optimal group every time

[west furnace]

Yeah, we got salv rolling and i'm only typically at around 101-108% threat. Sometimes I even forego using shouts so i can use more globals for threat. I even have the needle (although i'm considering the shredder) while they don't have their epic yet. (They have the STV weapon). It just kinda feels bad right now for warrior (to me). I think I did a little better threat when i was doing +3 damage weapon enchant, but I tried the robot killer one this last run.

[wide fractal]

Anyone know how much weapon dps are 15 str? - Found it: 7 str = 1 dps

I'm wondering if Whirwind axe is better than Annihilator in case of raw dps

[fair pivot]

what crafted helm do you guys think is better blacksmithing or leatherworking?

[odd cosmos]

is there a defensive cap as prot warrior in sod?

[tame plume]

I don't think so but If there is I'll hit it!

don't mind the arrows in the gun, just dropped when snapped

[snow glen]

question [Gizmotron Gigachopper] or [Sanguine Crusher] for PVE 2hander

am still debating.

[prisma frigate]

I think they are almost even

Depends if you are leatherworking or blacksmith, not worth to unlearn one for other

[prisma frigate]

I would go for the mace

Gigachopper seems nice if you are human

Just try them both 😘

[wide fractal]

As a main arms player I feel that deep fury gameplay with a 2h feels much more clean and straight forward.
Everything we need is just there. AoE, kick, infight charge, big Execute spam even without Warbringer rune and much Bloodsurge procs.

Arms' stance dancing always has felt bad when losing so much rage.

[haughty turret]

If i wanna start out playing SoD as alliance now and i always play meta classes in all games what would you guys recommend me to play then?

[fierce apex]

Do you want invited to groups at lv 40 for the next 2 months? If so then priest

[unique tartan]

Have good healers is good asnwer

[dim quiver]

Yeah but mana is a problem on these long fights for now

[unique tartan]

Buttons give mana

Did last bosses yesterday while dualwielding for the first time, dmg wastb that bad but our kill time got so much better cause i actually had threat

[wide fractal]

Did it today with level 40 and decent gear. Was quite easy.

[potent maple]

14ap=1 wdps so yeah about 7str is 1 wep dam

[potent maple]

if you are going deep arms tree sword is surely better just bc sword spec>mace spec for pve content. but just comparing them 1 to 1 the mace is better

Ideally though you just play a 2h axe 😛

[novel dew]

For gnome I’m loving the Gizmotron Gigachopper

Feels like I’m getting a lot less glancing blows and misses

[unique tartan]

U should take scarlet quest axe

And spec axe

Until u get epic from raid

Its just better

More crit = more slam procs

[novel dew]

Doesn’t sim better and doesn’t feel better

[unique tartan]

Do you spec to lortaö strike?

Mortal

[novel dew]

No

Less dps

[unique tartan]

Good 😂

[novel dew]

I run 26/5/0 when I’m 99% parsing

[unique tartan]

And havent seen any really working warr sims yet

[novel dew]

That’s why we make our own

[unique tartan]

They give you some data but aint accurate

[novel dew]

I don’t know if the public ones register deep wounds as ignoring all armour

[unique tartan]

I have my own aswell, but only works currently on dw fury as i play that

[novel dew]

Dw fury feels like ass to me rn

[unique tartan]

Well, i play tank

And it feels better than arms ehen tanking currently

Since only thing warrior tank misses rn is initial threat burst

Deathwish fixes that

[novel dew]

I do hope some changes come to warrior that make the playstyle a bit more fun

20% of my damage simply being “GJ you crit” feels extremely boring

[unique tartan]

I wouldnt enjoy quickstrike slam rotation

I feel like dw is way more fun

And has a lot of more u can do to make better dps

[novel dew]

I just Use DW to maintain deep wounds procs

Then cycle back to my 2H for instant casts

Half the time I’m rage starved the other I’m rage capped trying not to steal threat

[unique tartan]

U have bad tank then if warr dps overthreats

[novel dew]

It’s more so the fact the boss resets threat after flamethrower

And I’m rage capped so I’m heroic striking to dump

[unique tartan]

Ofc

Still tank has taunt when it resets

[novel dew]

The point is to remove the stacks when it resets so OT grabs it

[unique tartan]

We dont have ot

We have good healers 😂

Im tankin everything solo

[novel dew]

We run solo healers

Just tryna limit test

[unique tartan]

Will try that soon aswell since we want bit better overall spred

Speed

[novel dew]

We did the second Gnome raid with full melee xd

[unique tartan]

😂

[novel dew]

Shits actually so easy

[unique tartan]

It is easy yes

[novel dew]

People gatekeeping for no reason

[unique tartan]

Yep

On the first run we had two wipes on last boss

After that its been just blasting

[novel dew]

We only ever wipe when some muppet doesn’t move from middle

And insta Aggro’s

Because people want their loot asap

[unique tartan]

Thats sad way to lose wbuffs for sure 😂

[novel dew]

I boon it as soon as I hear the sound cue lol

[cinder berry]

are either of the gnomer 1h maces ever useful? or are vanquishers and protectors that much better? (human btw)

[supple talon]

Anybody in here have any advice on "Sanguine Crusher" vs "Whirlwind Axe" vs "Gizmotron Gigachopper" for Arms Orc DPS ?

[errant wing]

mace is ass ive heard

and axe spec + slow speed should put the whirlwind axe above the sword for dps i believe but i dont know the exact numbers

[stable rover]

is it possible to have a macro that lets you use revenge when its up when using sunder armor?

[atomic lotus]

which set legs from gnomer are better leather or plate?

[unique tartan]

/cast revenge
/cast sunder armor should work

It always tries to cast revenge but if its not up it casts sunder

[tired dirge]

Howdy.

[sage kettle]

So I’m tanking gnomer as an arms warrior, was using X’caliboar and sword specialization while switching to sword and board for tougher fights. I just got the Sanguine Crusher. Would I be better off keeping my sword specialization for my sword and board, switch to a main hand mace and go mace spec (even though I’m mostly pve and I don’t think the stun will help) or drop sword spec all together and put the points elsewhere?

[tired dirge]

Gon! Nice profile pic. LoL that anime is busted good.

[indigo junco]

Does the homunculi debuff prevent warrior sunders from providing threat?

And does it not work with devestate?

[deft sequoia]

It works as you have five sunders on your target

[tired dirge]

How are we currently feeling about fury over arms?

Cause hunters and boomies be ripping… like it’s annoying AF.

[indigo junco]

Very cool. Thank you! When I was tanking I got curious because I would hit sunder with the devestate rune and the threat meter would barely move. I guess I just was not dealing enough threat to keep up with other people's threat.

Blizz needs to buff the devestate rune to cause more threat with sunder armor I guess.

[stable rover]

ahh i see thanks

[stable rover]

thanks lol, i love the anime as well, the adaptation is amazing

[tired dirge]

What’s your comp like? Cause I’m dealing with a boomkin, mage and melee Hunter with the epic fist and rare offhand and it’s making me grind my teeth. LoL

[tired dirge]

Fr fr. They doing such a great job

[indigo junco]

This was more during P1, so I can't speak to P2 since I've only done Gnomer twice as dps warrior.

In P1 it was hunter, Spriest, feral druid, Ret, rogue sometimes / warrior, and two mages. Something like that. They wouldn't pull threat, but I'd watch the meter and only see it wiggle a bit when I hit devastate (sunder armor) with homunculi buff up. So I was thinking that it may have been effecting my TPS.

But it seems that it counts it as 5 stack of sunder armor, so it wasn't that I wasn't dealing threat. It was just the gains were erased near instantly lol.

[errant wing]

what do ur points look like? 31/0/0 ?

[sage kettle]

Yes

I did a simulation of it and it looks like the two weapons are almost identical.

But if that’s the case then those 5 points in sword spec could go elsewhere.

[errant wing]

i feel like if you want to use the mace, it would be better to just build arms for maybe sweeping strikes and put the rest of the points in fury '

26/5/0 or so

[sage kettle]

Presumably the 5 in cruelty?

[errant wing]

yeah

[sage kettle]

Thank you for the input.

[tired dirge]

This so much

I feel like the 5 not in cruelty is hurting.

Don’t really need mortal strike.

And sweeping strike is nice for trash during Gnomer but that’s about it outside of Menagarie

My usual runes while tanking are blood frenzy, devestate, endless rage (rage reduce) thunder clap rune and enraged regen.

🤷🏻‍♂️

[deft sequoia]

Why blood frenzy over flag?

[tired dirge]

Blood frenzy gives you 3 rage every time you deal bleed damage, so if working correctly, shouldn’t every tick of Rend and deep wounds be feeding me rage?

So I can heroic strike more, block, revenge, sunder, etc etc just more rage to spend.

[deft sequoia]

Don’t think that come close to the threat you get from flag

[tired dirge]

Just from the 25% D based off every blood rage (1min CD) or enraged rune?

[deft sequoia]

Blood rage and berserker rage

[tired dirge]

Zerker is 2min or?

[deft sequoia]

Every 30s

[tired dirge]

What’s the downfall of zerker of rage. Increased damage? And zerker stance yeah?

Also is that the only rune you would change in that setup @deft sequoia

[deft sequoia]

Rest looks good imo

[tired dirge]

Okay will give it a whirl. Ty

[meager egret]

Is there somewhere I can get weak auras for fury to track buffs etc

For SoD

[potent maple]

if anywhere itd be wago

but idk if anyone has rlly made any/posted it

Personally ive posted one for bloodsurge on there, thinking about making a aurabar weakaura but havent put the time in yet

[unique tartan]

Bloodrage cant ever be better than flagellant, even if you didint use bers rage at all, the initial threat increase you get by get by activaring flagellant on pull is so good

[tired dirge]

Im def going to give it a go come tomorrow night. Im just dealing with a bunch of parsing chads so they make it more difficult than it should be 😂

[unique tartan]

Me too, but im parsing myself also so its ok 😂

[tired dirge]

LoL we were talking maybe fury tank but I don’t think the healers could deal with it on the last two bosses. Them bots different.

[tropic lotus]

10 strength and 3 agility vs 32 attack power?

for my gloves

[arctic gale]

is there a wep progresion for leveling for us ?

[potent maple]

32 ap

currently str gives you 2 ap per point and agi is .075% crit chance(the only of these values that will change is the crit chance per agi)

also this figure assumes lvl 40

[unique tartan]

they can, ive been fury dualwield tanking it. just trust on your healers.

[wide fractal]

So I was lucky yesterday and got the Epic axe. should I stay 0/31/0 or go for arms? What do you think?

https://www.zockify.de/wowclassic/sod/talentrechner/#AQkK/QID/wIDgQMFgwMChQMDhgMChwMCiAMFiQMBkAMFBzE5N5cBigEAAA==

Was thinking of this. Playing with Slam instead of MS so I can get 10% crit from talents.

[unique tartan]

arms is better for 2hander for sure

not quite sure is playing around slam better than mortal, maybe

[river swallow]

Is there a limit to how much crit chance I can obtain?

[wide fractal]

No.

[neon spade]

stack it baby

[river swallow]

Bet

Does it seem like I’m ready to run gnomer for the first time? https://era.raider.io/characters/us/crusader-strike/Xdsagecat

[errant wing]

yes, i recommend 26/5/0 or so if you dont want to commit to ms but a 31/0/0 w the epic 2h would be strong too

but you can always sim it or try a new build as needed

[novel dew]

26/5 works the best because you can maintain deep wounds extremely easily

[violet linden]

Looking to add ppl to our core raid team,mainly 2 healers for 6/6 Gnomeregang(cleared every reset)at 19ST 1/3mars.
Any class is welcome to sign and if good logs and a willingness to be a regular u Will be prioritized.
Bring 6/6, wbs & consumes. 1 SR (MS/OS). Mount &1 boots token HR. (For smoother tanking) PM or go sign up at the discord:

https://discord.gg/XMA7FsrQRc

[tired dirge]

What’s your tree look like and wep setup @unique tartan in terms of single handed weapons I have the mace from the blood surge quest, the epic 1 handed sword and dagger from Gnomer.

[unique tartan]

I use 2.7 speed mainhand from wsg revered

And im 0/31/0

And bloodmoon mace as offhand

I did get dagger and sword from raid, but those felt too fast so still using slow weapons

[potent maple]

personally id play arms, esp in that situation. I have flipped between fury to arms and back to fury for a clear and going back its just painfully obv how arms performs better now

fury competes when your kill times are amazingly fast but arms and deep wounds is just king at the moment

I believe the armor changes already took affect as well when I did my fury reclear(last night)

[flint herald]

getting roped into tanking tonight, seems dual wield fury is where its at but are we jumping into zerker for whirlwind or just staying defensive?

[tired dirge]

Zerker for zerker rage and back into defensive I would imagine. The swap is for flagellation uptime.

[tired dirge]

Yeah I have that one as well. Going to try single handed epic tonight and see what happens.

[wind trail]

This

[flint herald]

cheers

[novel dew]

So im using both fist weapons from gnomer and it just feel like my rage generation as DW fury is extremely poor compared to my 2h arms is there any people you would recommend I could watch to get a bit more experienced or is it just an issue that I’ll have to deal with?

[zinc turret]

Using dw fury (im new) but still having threat issues.
Im using all my cds,bloodrage,bloodthirst,slam. I sunder,heroic and taunt as needed..
Dps too geared or am I missing something?

[wide fractal]

Yeah.. I'm arms again and it's quite more fun.

Btw did you know that Slam doesn't reset your swing timer if your next is a Cleave or a HS?

[unique tartan]

do you toggle HS on on your offhand hits ?

Its quite a lot of more rage you generate with your offhand if you always have heroic strike toggled on when offhand hits

[dim quiver]

Am i bad or without WF or threat buff its impossible to hold threat with war tank ? My raid composition lost these buff and its now impossible for me to tank properly ...

[flint herald]

everyones pumping and warriors are struggling against the boss armour. I wouldnt kick yourself in this situation

[dim quiver]

Yeah but if i was dps ill just be frustrated to be low but there im just asking to stop play when im low on threat and rage and feel really bad for them ... why other class like druid or chaman got insane threat generation and war has to be so weak on that. Im not asking for more dps just possibility to play right as a MT

Even on damage taken i feel like heal struggles to keep me alive and in the second raid my druid MT guildmate has no issues cause he has 5k hp ...

And more dmg reduction

Without shield !

[flint herald]

Dunno what to say it is what it is, people are main tanking on their warriors but without group support the group will struggle, might be worth double checking your rune/gear/spec/rotation all the same

[dim quiver]

When i play with WF i parse around 80-90 but without thats grey, cant hold enough rage to hold any rotation thats shit.

And keep threat*

[potent maple]

Is your unarmed skill low? Also as arms were u running endless rage? Fury is gonna feel a bit worse also if you don’t have a bunch of hit%

[tired dirge]

So after talking with @unique tartan yesterday I had no real threat issues in tanking Gnomer last night. Great call on Flagellation. I’m currently 31/0/0 as I don’t want to respec but I believe the ideal tanking setup currently is 26/5/0.

My runes are Flag, Devastate, focused rage, Furious thunder and enraged regeneration.

I’m also using Sword and Board and not fury tanking, stance dancing for maximum flag uptime between zerker and blood rage.

Our giga Hunter hit a 96 last night. He was ripping threat off me our last two runs, no such issue yesterday.

[unique tartan]

👍

[dim quiver]

Can i ask you a log to see where am i doing wrong compare to your runs

[dry wolf]

So boyz, ive finally made my warrior to mess around with SoD. What builds are people going towards when it comes to gnomeragon. Is it arms currently or more fury

[novel dew]

I try to but the offhand is slower than the main hand so it feels completely different to what I’m used to

[novel dew]

Unarmed skill is max and I was using endless rage with 2h yes so I guess that’s a big factor thank you

It might just be a case of spending a bit of time in thousand needles on the dummy to get the timing down a bit better

[potent maple]

Are you playing with windfury/wild strikes too?

Hit% might also be large bc a lot of glancing blows

[rapid laurel]

sorry, this has prolly been discussed a million times, but i scrolled up for awhile and didnt see any recent talk on it: is whirlwind axe or the sanguine crusher better for arms dps? im an undead

[errant wing]

pve is still probably the axe. slow weapon speed and axe spec probably outweighs the raw dmg and stats of the mace, and lack of utility for mace spec

26/5/0 might mean the mace shines more but thats something to sim

31/0/0 definitely axe tho

[brave ledge]

Anyone else have a problem with Threat in Phase two from Shadow Priest and Enhance Shamans ripping threat off you in Gnomeregon? I feel like they do so much more threat than anything in Phase 1. Even as Fury threat seems like a battle on the high armor bosses

[tired dirge]

@brave ledge

[tired dirge]

Let me see if I can get a link. 🍻

[timid loom]

Thoughts on Pendulum of doom or Bonebiter? Which would be better for DPS? Bonebiter = Stats But PoD has higher damage + that juicy proc for 250-350 wound dmg

[unique tartan]

Pendulum is slightly better dps for sure, also its quite flex

wouldnt see difference to be worth buying pendulum unless you rich fuck

[round wind]

I've always considered pendulum more of a p v p twink item. Could never find a reason to buy it otherwise myself personally. It did drop on the reboot of classic for me. But another warrior took it to sell. I agreed to the group right then and there that I would equip it. And I plan on not leveling that character anymore lol

Hey any suggestions on a quick brush up of a tank view for gnomer. Wowhead still the way to go for talent builds

Guild asked me to go tank tonight so ive gotta get my things swaped over from what i hear threats going to be my biggest issue. How is sword and board i dont have much raid gear so im assuming ill want/need to shield up for most fights

[tired dirge]

@round wind start here.

[round wind]

Thank you so you say you had better results with shield using 26 5

[tired dirge]

I think 26-5 is the better way to spend points for tanking. yes.

I was 31/0 and I feel 26-5 would of made it even better

[round wind]

Thanks ill try it out

[round wind]

Do you personally run the leather or plate set

[errant wing]

for tanking you would want the plate

[round wind]

ty im used to playing deep prot but it seems to not be the way in SOD so im trying to adjust

[errant wing]

I guess if you really need threat you can opt for the leather set bc it’s bis for dps but plate is gonna be the next best anyways

[tired dirge]

Plate set for sure.

[round wind]

So how does deep prot fare for threat, speccing into defiance isnt viable?

tbh im not interested in parsing not this run, first run tanking with my guild not dpsing just want it to go smooth we have some hard hitters

[tired dirge]

I went deep prot on the first run and then switched to arms.

Keeping Flagellation up is key. Devastate and furious thunder also helps. The rest of your rage between heroic and revenge.

[novel dew]

So now I have the epic axe and the epic fists, it’s time to test dps between the two setups

[slender scarab]

should be ok so long as you ask for a chance to position on certain fights before they go ham (electro against wall for example)
my progression run our feral went awol and it was bloody stressful with hunters in the state they were but managed though went fury on first 4 and only changed to shield/dev rune on last couple because of dmg.. thats with a regular grp though when ppl actually know each other a bit better anything can work

was just checking here to see what the concensus was post-update if theres been any improvement as not been since last week

[potent maple]

I played fury last night and that shit went hard

im gonna play arms next reclear tho bc I got axe

& bc I need to up my parse on viscous fallout so arms will do that better than fury will

[novel dew]

I’m playing DW arms because I think Deep wounds is invaluable xd

I’m struggling to maintain Off hand HS and CBR while not being perpetually rage capped xd

[potent maple]

dont think about cbr

[novel dew]

Yes captain 🫡

[potent maple]

if you can, pool rage before the fight then when you get low press rage potion

using on pull is fine too but feels bad imo

[novel dew]

I’m on 3% hit rn I think so I’m slowly getting geared

[potent maple]

Also with HS, even tho with the current timings its hard bc slow offhands too

you can cancel the HS main hand hit and still gain the benefit from queueing it

fury has crazy high apm rn though bc of how s works with slam and offhand hits

[novel dew]

Our group isn’t in a place to go full parse rn

Our tank is also a warrior and he’s not getting much gear drops tbh

He spent 219g on the epic 2H lol

Somethingblade

[potent maple]

holy shit LOL

[gleaming aspen]

Has anyone tried 2H Fury or is it just bad🤔

[novel dew]

It’s good when geared

Really good when everyone is geared because of Death Wish uptime

[gleaming aspen]

Competitive w dw?

[novel dew]

Absolutely bis 2H takes over

At least with my sims

But you have to remember if you’re mainhanding epic fists you’re increasing your teams raid damage by 6% per caster

[gleaming aspen]

Hell yes. Would you want to run arms til bis then or can you go fury in prebis as well?

[potent maple]

I played dw fury and it felt real good last night

tbh just play whichever you prefer to play

[novel dew]

It’s whichever you find more fun tbh

[potent maple]

I havent tried arms since the armor nerfs yesterday but both seem to pump rn

[gleaming aspen]

Thanks kings 👑

[novel dew]

I’m running 21/10 DW arms and it was doing a pretty decent amount of damage when I wasn’t holding mana to prevent threat ripping

[potent maple]

go forth and pwn those stupid gnomes and troggs 🙂

[novel dew]

I feel kinda awkward having both epics now, maybe it’ll be like BFD where Dw is better in some fights and 2H better in others

[potent maple]

lol I feel that, I took epic dagger last night simply bc nobody else needed it

still need fist wep tho

[novel dew]

I have 4 epic weapons from gnomer rn lol

Because rn team 2 is mostly casters

[potent maple]

its a real possibility with the way deep wounds functions with bypassing armor fury better on early bosses that die with 100% dw uptime and arms better on the later ones

yall have multiple raid teams? dope

im in a super small guild we only have one and like 25 members in guild lmfao(including alts)

[novel dew]

Yeah we’ve done every single lockout

Including the 1 day lockout xd

So we have a few rng carried guildies that are stacked on gear

I think our Warlock Bozol is absolutely BIS now

He does way too much damage when he’s not on bomb duty haha

[potent maple]

haha yeah I got pretty close last night

weve had mostly caster gear drop and 2 of our 4 melee were out last night when all the non caster gear dropped

I looted 6 pieces total LMFAO

I got the fkn juice last night time to round out my purples to oranges and my oranges to pinks

[novel dew]

My second Arms parse still being 99% is pretty funny to me because I was nowhere near as geared as I am now

[potent maple]

oh yeah its pretty rng to get 99s I feel like haha

[novel dew]

100% Need a Better bow haha

[potent maple]

windfury, crits all that silly stuff

bfd bow is still real damn good, I bought the silencer for 35g which looking back

total ripoff xD

[novel dew]

I dropped it this lockout lol

Had a rogue Win both the bow and the gun last week .-.

damn insta equippers xd

[potent maple]

lmfao

[novel dew]

I'm genuinely Surprised Homunculus hasnt been looked at tbh

I feel like that rune is probably one of the best in the game

The sheer Damage difference our group gets when it's active is absurd

[potent maple]

yeah its very good

instant stacked sunder, tclap, and demo shout is

insane

[novel dew]

Stronger than all 3 iirc?

[potent maple]

I played the first cpl weeks of this phase without it and I never want to go back

yeah its also better than all 3

[novel dew]

Isn't it better than Improved Tclap?

[potent maple]

idk the actual number on the tclap debuff for either imp tc or homunculi

[novel dew]

Turns our 10 man into a 13 man instantly

[potent maple]

yeah we had 3 priests 2 healer one shadow

then one of our healer priests got banned for buying gold LOL

he came back this last lockout luckily but prior to this its been hell haha

[novel dew]

One of our mages got temp banned for “Investigation of potential GDKP”

It’s been looked at and we’re all good though

[potent maple]

noice

[novel dew]

It is on par with Tclap

Not improved tclap

Just checked

[potent maple]

I got up to 650ish gold from the grime crafting right as it was crashing and im pretty much set until next phase haha

it is still better than sunder tho yeah? thats all that matters really xd

[novel dew]

Much better than sunder

[potent maple]

pressing sunder feels so bad now lol

[novel dew]

5 stack sunder is like 1,350

Instant homunculus is like -4k or some shit?

3,615

2.5x better or something for an instant cast

[potent maple]

jesus

I didnt knwo it was that much lmfao

[novel dew]

It’s also even more valuable since the armour nerfs of pummeller and Thermaplug because funny armour numbers are funny

[surreal mango]

Yall I am having a rough time on my war, I don’t know how to dps as fury apparently my damage is terrible and I tank as fury as well and it seems like I can never get anything right I have been quite lucky with gear I got true silver wall finally and got epic fist weapon, I’ve tried dual wielding as well cause I got toxic revenge early when no one needed it, what talents have y’all been using with success I’m an off tank for the guild but want to do better

[potent maple]

couple questions do you have wild strikes/windfury, and homunculus?

[tired dirge]

For those Fury tanks what’s the weapon set up currently?

[tired dirge]

Yes to Wild strikes for me.

[potent maple]

as dual wield fury I ran 0/31/0

[tired dirge]

I have access to the epic sword, and dagger plus the mace from Blood Surge quest as far as 1 handed weapons go.

[potent maple]

your bis setup should be the epic fist weapon+the mace from stv event

[tired dirge]

What would you rock from epic sword, dagger and BloodSurge Mace.

[potent maple]

personally id go mace in main hand and dagger offhand

[tired dirge]

Kk.

And you are stance dancing from defense and zerker yeah? BR and ZR for Flag uptime? What’s the rest of the rotation look like.

My healers are Druid and Paladin. So yeah…hoping they can keep up.

[surreal mango]

No homunculus and do have wind fury.

[indigo junco]

What’s the prio for classes to get wf? I was raiding the other day with my group and the wf group was: 2 melee hunters, fury warrior tank (not me), priest for group heals and Druid (of course).

They were suggesting that the hunters getting wf was potentially better than the warrior. But I’m not sure what benefit hunters get out of it exactly. I was kind of 😦 since I was pretty rage starved on my 2h build.

[potent maple]

Hominculus is a lot of dam you are missing out of esp if you are the one applying sunders

[potent maple]

I don’t know an exact order but if I had to guess it’s something like warrior>rogue>enhance shaman>hunter>paladin

Classes that gain resource (rage and maelstrom) or damage proc(poison from rogues) are going to always be better than those who don’t

[grand rain]

Don’t enhance have their own windfury?

[indigo junco]

Thanks for the insight!

[novel dew]

We try to put our Pally healer in the warrior group whenever we can because of improved battle shout

We love enabling palys to do double my health as a HOT

[potent maple]

Yep they still benefit though. Including them was more to assist in showing my thought process as I outlined in the following message 🙂

[potent maple]

No problem

[potent maple]

This is also smart, I think their rune is like 30% bonus ap right?

Though tbh I doubt the extra healing is needed

But if you got an open spot it’s pog

[novel dew]

They convert attack power into spell and heal power

[potent maple]

Yeah but the conversion rate is like 30% of bonus ap I think

[novel dew]

Horn of lorderon also gives heal power which is pretty fun too

Allows him to solo heal pretty much most of the fights

I really don’t like how leather is the supposed bis for warrior

[potent maple]

It’s more stats

When I get home I can go into more detail in like 3-5m

And btw you only need 2 of the 3 set

the EQ for chest & legs of leather is 131.5 if you add in shinkicker boots it becomes 165 on the dot. if you take all 3 pieces of the plate set the EQ is 146.5

to note this is based off of the EQ provided from 60upgrades with a slight modification to agility changing the EQ value to 1.5 since at lvl 60 1agi= .05% crit and at lvl 40 1 agi=.075% crit (50% better)

[slender scarab]

part of the prob is mechanical (our situation with threat/dmg), part is comp (you dont always have horm/wf available) and the last part is cultural.. like ppl got used to p1 zug zug no threat issues, less so when its ppl you regularly group with or actually play multiple classes to have that knowledge.. rando though won't care

tanking without those 2 things is probably the most negative/god awful experience ive had with the class since coming back but it did get cleared was just a couple squeeky bum time moments

even then that was fury as luckily I had just a couple bits of hit already (changing runes about when need)

prot certainly shouldn't be where it is atm for what it gives up everywhere else.. even if its a bit of a gimmick vs casters when you take bash

[opal saffron]

Has been that way all the way till WotLK

Pretty sure some leather wrists are bis for fury in ICC

[wise barn]

When does warrior get fun in sod. Im questing with my gf and shes a mage and I realized im the side character.

[novel dew]

Raid content

[dim quiver]

This up is really low ... i think it will be still hard to hold enough threat

[potent maple]

50% is quite a lot

[wise barn]

Damn maybe I should also just be a mage

[wraith star]

Doubt it’s enough to fix threat issues

[novel dew]

It’s 50% base which is further increased by the 6% per stack right?

[potent maple]

It’s 10% per stack so it’s going from 100-110-120-130-140-150 to 150-165-180-195-210 per stack (assuming the base weapon hit is 100)

This is also assuming it stacks additively not multiplicatively

I’m not tank player so I’ve never looked into that

[surreal mango]

That’s pretty huge!!!

[novel dew]

I seem to be getting a 20% increase instead of 10% which is weird

13.725% if you count the base dps with the 150% modifier

[potent maple]

do you have anything else modifying the hit

and like I said, it very well could be multiplicative

[novel dew]

34 DPS weapon with +7 damage per stack

It’s flat 7 damage per stack

Testing on shimmering flats warrior rune dummies

[potent maple]

what talent/rune setup you rocking

also the change has yet to take affect

this could also be explained by the damage loss from dstance

[novel dew]

Does devastate take the DPS value on the weapon or the DPS with modifiers (like bonus AP) on the weapon?

If it’s the latter it would make sense

[potent maple]

surely the latter

[novel dew]

That makes a lot more sense

66dps on stats going from 65, 72, 78, 84, 91, 98. So it is seemingly a flat amount rn

[round wind]

So should this buff effect my talents at all?

wondering if at any point with devistate Defiance would be worth the extra 15 percent and 10 percent ( i think) from one handed spec

im not goot at this maths but it sounds like it could all really stack up nice even more so factoring in things like improved sunder armor stacked with focus rage

[tired dirge]

Deep prot will have to be looked at once the upgrade is inplace. Honestly I wouldn’t be surprised if something like this ends up being good.

https://www.zockify.com/wowclassic/sod/talents/#AQkJ/QID/wIDgQMEhQMDkAMFoAMFogMCowMDqAMDBwAAAAAAAAA=

Deep wounds is just hard to pass up and the more crit the better. This would be like a maximum threat/defensive stance devastate damage setup maybe. Will have to see it simmed.

[round wind]

that looks fun honestly very tank like

the fact that were getting any buff makes me hopeful to see a shield tank bis at endgame

it will be pallys but maybe well be a close second lol

[round wind]

can i equip both the helmet from blacksmithing and the engi shield BIS items at the same time?

[potent maple]

yes

you just need to have both engi and bs

[round wind]

needed to make sure before i grab engi and go broke lol

[cinder berry]

bael modon blunderbuss or hi-tech supergun mark III

[potent maple]

if its the items I am thinking of (6 agi gun from bfd/ 12 ap gun from gnomer) the supergun barely edges out

[crimson path]

Can someone explain me how devastate scales? Is wep dmg all that matters?

[peak plaza]

no point in goin deep prot for threat Fury/prot is the way

[round wind]

uses weapon DPS from what i understand not top end damage but i could be wrong i thought thats how it was reworked

[round wind]

hoping for this after the changes go live

https://www.zockify.com/wowclassic/sod/talents/#AQkJ/QID/wIDgQMEhQMDkAMFoAMFogMCowMDqAMDBwAAAAAAAAA=

or something similar

[slender scarab]

sure doesn't feel that way at the moment, I've got both at 40 and have experimented with both (tanked) and prot pally might give up some dmg but the threat itself is on another planet

if you got a ok ish group with someone providing wf you are "ok" tanking with the war.. but if not anything more than OT unless you got a patient group your not having a good time with threat

as other lad said fury makes more sense atm.. possibly even the pve arms/axe varient with 5 cruelty out does it

[round wind]

It's not even live yet so it wouldn't feel that way

[slender scarab]

yea but devastate on its own isnt going to change the overall picture atm

it'll help but not much

[round wind]

Gotcha yeah im curious to see the real numbers. 50 percent increase that seems to cause more dps increase . Factor in a a full prot build that comes with 15 percent increase threat. More damage from one handed weapons and reduced cost of sunder i wouldent be suprised to see it end up very close to top of current warrior build maybe not top but i think itll close the gap nicelty

[round wind]

Between the aoe and heals we cant do much to a pallys threat. My guild is gonna have me start to solo tank most the raid with a dps hybrid off tank for a fight or two. Hoping i wont have too many issues with threat intervien is an amazing way to snag threat when you use it on cd

"Hoping"

[hot elbow]

Are there any good resources for learning these builds? Ive played deep prot and cleared Gnomer every reset and am curious to try DW fury but honestly have no idea how to play it

[potent maple]

There are wowhead guides. You can easily find links to them in the fight club discord. Permanent invite link to that is pinned in this channel 🙂

[robust ginkgo]

whats the best prot build for sod ? runes and talents ?

[errant wing]

typically people dont build into prot for tanking because of threat issues. the more popular builds are dual wielding and arms tanking

wowhead and the sort tend to have a lot of info on that

[grand rain]

You can also go devastate fury

[round wind]

Devistate changes went live today? Ill be looking into builds for raiding this sunday. I dont have all my raid bis and my main hand is protectors sword so i need to make sure im grabing threat and keeping it

[errant wing]

i think the changes go live tmrw

with the tuesday reset

[errant wing]

but yeah a 2.7 sword with the 1.5 weapon dmg modifier should net some nice threat

[round wind]

I guess for some reason I also thought today was tuesday haha

[south karma]

yo

is that sod boost coming wednsday for eu?

[novel dew]

I believe so

[unique tartan]

i believe dualwield fury is still more threat, just because of the fact with dualwield you can burst out threat with spamming heroic strike.

i calculated a bit, with epic 1hander fast sword from raid my devastates was hitting avg 75's, so after buff they woud be hitting 100's ish, so math for this would be:

devastate = 180 flat threat + 100 dmg x1,3(def stance) = 364 threat

Heroic strike (avg, with wsg revered sword) 300,8

hs = heroic strike (rank 4) is 118 flat threat + 300.8 dmg x 1,3 = 453 threat

Both abilities use same amount of rage, dualwield makes more rage

so basically you can hit more heroic strikes than devastates, and heroic strike is more threat per rage used. simple math says dualwield will stay better, and its not even close

ofc, with unimited rage devastate is better when you can que up heroic strike also on every swing. but we living in dream world there

hs uses 333 rage in minute with 2,7. Devastate uses 600 rage in minute, if used on every global

[round wind]

Are those numbers with one stack of sun or with five. If i'm not mistaken devastate does more damage for every stack applied. Is that also with fifteen percent increased threat spec built and reduced cost of sunder armor.. from belt rune and talent. I believe we'll also able to get a damage. Increase 21 handed weapons in prot tree.

Other question is and this is me not fully understanding the class a hundred percent.. Do you gain rage from every devastate attack that you land or is it only melle white hits generating rage.

I see where everyone's coming from with the fury build. I'm just curious how much you can max out the devastate build in the prot tree.

Right now my guild has an issue with sunder armor. When i off tank. No one including me wants to be the person to press the button.. I'm gonna be our main tank soon. So I am hoping that ithat it will feel really good when i'm mashing that button

[grand rain]

Just spend 5 minutes reading some of the information on fight club

No reason to napkin math it here

[unique tartan]

numbers are with homonculi on target = basically 5 sunders.

Spec is not prot since prot sucks, (its fury spec )(so no defiance or wep dmg from prot)

You do not gain rage on devastate attack, its a yellow hit, it can proc windfury tho which gives rage (all white dmg gives rage)

Calculations havent taken into account prot tree at all, ofc you can go full ham on prot and reduce devastate cost to max 9 rage with belt rune + sunder talents.

Cant tell you too accurate data on devastate after buff since i havent tried it yet, but i assume fury is still better for threat, definitely better for snap threat on pull.

[errant wing]

devastate is also more potential for using cds, and it doesnt eat the rage swing

stuff like death wish and flagellation want u to do as much dmg as u can in a short period of time

[unique tartan]

so ye, after devastate buff they made it that deep prot can do almost as good threat as dw fury

just bad for parsing

[waxen condor]

Idk why they don't fix SS AP scaling

[errant wing]

they just retired it for p2 ig

[waxen condor]

yeah P2 feels like so rushed

[fierce vault]

What’s our best option for tank right now? Full prot or DW fury?

[dim quiver]

I think depends a lot of you party. If heals can hold your DTPS, the best is DW fury. But if its short you can switch with board for boss that hits hard. Deep prot seems to have good stats aswell with low dtps and good tps and easy rotation aswell

[grand rain]

Imo fury is the most versatile because you can flip flop devastate as needed in the raid without losing much

[dim quiver]

True

[unique tartan]

Yes, dw fury all the way imo

[prisma frigate]

Guys, what is your Crit% and hit rate ? I currently have 22%crit 2%hit but I still can’t do decent Dps ☹️I’m using the epic fist weapon and blood moon mace

[dim quiver]

I heard about hit cap at 9%. Maybe 2% is too low

[marble shell]

is there a SOD disc server someone could share?

[prisma frigate]

But there is no gear offers hit%😵‍💫

[dim quiver]

Of course there are lot of stuff giving it. I dont think you can reach 9% but 5-6% is 'easily' done

[prisma frigate]

How ? Leather set 1% +engin belt 1% + raid glove 1%
Where can I get 3% more ?

[dim quiver]

You are on dps side ?

[prisma frigate]

Yup

I almost full bis based on the bis list on wowhead

I’m human warrior tho

[dim quiver]

You get 1% on head and can get 1% on shoulders aswell

But i use 4% and keep bis shoulders with ap

[novel dew]

Wowhead bis list is funny considering Cragfist of the tiger is just better than anything it suggests except Machinist gloves Vs mechanicals

[novel dew]

What head are you using?

[prisma frigate]

BS head only 1crit

[novel dew]

Yep

[prisma frigate]

Or he is going leatherworking ?

[dim quiver]

Mail one

[novel dew]

There isn’t one?

The only one that gives hit is the Leather and it is pure agi

[novel dew]

You went for the Intel helmet on warrior?

Pre sure this is just infinitely better

[dim quiver]

It gives 32 ap and 1% hit. As dps yes for me its bis

As tank plate is better

[prisma frigate]

32ap vs 20strength more or less the same

[novel dew]

20% attack speed 20 Str and 1% crit is better than 23 ap and 1% hit

[dim quiver]

1% hit is by far better than 1% crit

But 20% as each 10 min for 10sec is huge for short fights

[novel dew]

I get like a 15 dps loss

[dim quiver]

How long fight and gnome boss ?

[novel dew]

For both types of bosses assuming 60s fights (which is much slower than average)

Nomatter how I compare it the range is a 14-16 dps loss when using the rad helmet

[dim quiver]

Ok but i was focusing on the last. But now im tanking so maybe what i calculated is not relevant for now.

As fury with 5% hit i was getting better rotation around hs and blood surge and getting 80 more dps on the Last one. But that was before armor nerf

[novel dew]

What weapons are you using?

[dim quiver]

Fist and mace moon

[novel dew]

Nice

I’m using 2H Axe until our tank gets a bit more geared and I can just dump all cool-downs with 40s fury fights

I’ve been lucky enough to have all the epic melee weapon drops from gnomer so I’ve been able to test what feels good for me

Cog masters claw felt like cheeks

Slower OH than main hand felt terrible

[dim quiver]

Yeah with 2H thats totally different feeling and have to build differently. And on this axe attack speed buff is really huge at the start

[novel dew]

I use both DW and 2H, right now I’m using 2H because it’s simply better until everyone gets geared and speeds up kills due to Death Wish

[dim quiver]

I understand

[prisma frigate]

It is always the case 😂

[dim quiver]

What do you use to have this case ?

[south karma]

whats the build people runnin for sod

shit i find seems dated

https://tenor.com/view/dog-look-looking-awkward-what-gif-1858061763692613053

[novel dew]

I'm running this, bracers are the only meaningful thing I can upgrade

[south karma]

nooce

the good ol arms alents or?

[novel dew]

Yeah just 31/0/0

[sage kettle]

Tried a build with the new devastate changes and it definitely looks like while it’s a useful buff to people who actually try to play full prot, it requires a lot more work to parse less than full arms. You basically have to make sure you always have cbr active for it to work and if your party is slow to the point you can’t always start fights at full rage, not the way to go. Has anyone found differently?

[prisma frigate]

Cbr uptime is nowhere near what we have in phase1

[round wind]

what build am i supposed to use for tanking. wow head is sugesting arms? found wowheads dw is that still best

[potent maple]

The machinist gloves are pretty big upgrade for ya too

Obv mechanical bosses only but those are the “harder” bosses

[novel dew]

It’s an upgrade sure but it’s not that massive compared to the bracers

It’s only a few dps from what I’m simming

[potent maple]

Idk if I would trust that sim, or perhaps the settings of it aren’t including mechanical or something

Maybe you’re at hit cap but assuming not, machinist gloves are very far ahead (on mechanical units)

Even if you rolled 11/11 on those gloves

[prisma frigate]

Are you talking about the mail glove that deals more damage to mechnical ?

[novel dew]

We’re talking about Cragfist of the Tiger vs Machinist gloves in terms of how worth it is for me to take them over someone else in my raid group

[prisma frigate]

To me DW fury tanks a lot smoother, more rage more damage more threat overall. If you found your healer having hard time topping you, just take a shield on

[prisma frigate]

I see. It is huge for the hunters. And I lost the roll on the glove yesterday

[novel dew]

I’m using all the correct settings and have gone through 3 different sim websites

[potent maple]

assuming your hit is gaining full value, its just way better

[novel dew]

It’s definitely better, no debating but the difference I get is small compared to people who don’t have either the Grubbis gauntlets or Cragfists

[potent maple]

idk what hit cap numbers are for sod bc i cba researching it

[prisma frigate]

IMO if you are having high hit rate and crit rate, Craigfist is clearly better as it can convert rage to damage directly. But for those having low crit and hit rate, the extra damage to mechanical can cover some of the damage lost due to misses

[potent maple]

they donthave gauntlets of divinity either? or teh feralas quest hands?

theres no way they dont have a comparable 3rd

[prisma frigate]

I think we can’t each to the cap in phase2 so every % is an upgrade

[potent maple]

assuming that is true, the machinist gloves on later half are way way better lol

in terms of EQ based off of 60 upgrades (which includes a slight modification to agility giving 1.5 instead of 1 due to the increase value of critical strike chance it provides at level 40) 11/11 cragfists are 39 EQ 1 behind holy might gloves

machinist gloves on a mechanical unit are 59

[prisma frigate]

Damn I just check the logs, i am just doing half the dps compare to the top warrior LOL

He did 404 dps holy crap

On last boss

[round wind]

Im assuming this build is aingle target right. I had trouble using it and keeping threat in. A graveyard carry to a pally/ mage.

Granted it was my first time trying it so my rotation was probabbly fucked

But i went back to arms it was smooth as butter

Its the no rage stance dance that threw me off

[prisma frigate]

You will need the thunder rune to tank multiple targets

You will be fine going DW fury with thunder rune. However pally tank shines in multi target tanking so don’t be too harsh to yourself 🤭👌🏻

[round wind]

I did not run that rune lol possibly warbringer too?

Are you supposed to stance dance between beserk and def for flagelation

[prisma frigate]

I love warbringer in 5mans

[prisma frigate]

I don’t think so

[round wind]

Okay yeah as arms i bounce bewtwen beserk and what ever to keep the buff going as i can but i dont drop all my rage doing so

[prisma frigate]

You swap back to Dstance with no rage so you waste few seconds on flagelation buff

Try thunder rune, you will find yourself holding threat much better

[round wind]

Okay so just need to play it more carefuly

Thanks ill give it another go

[prisma frigate]

Also

If your mages going all out , you can’t hold the mobs anyways

Make use of the bombs and grenades if you are engin

[unique tartan]

who cares of trash aggro

they hit like wet noodles anyways

and tbf you cant even care if your mage goes all out. Maybe paladin can hold it, but barely

[wide fractal]

Did anyone try use Endless Rage instead of Quick Strike and keep spamming Hamstring to proc Deep Wounds?
I only did this once last raid and felt it worked better.

[sage kettle]

If you’re deep arms every sim I’ve run says quick strike is a drop in dps. You should be using mortal strike.

Overpower > Slam > Mortal strike in priority.

[wide fractal]

No I'm 26/5/0 with almost 24% crit unbuffed

[sage kettle]

Ah ok. I tried that build in the sim and it came out as a drop for me. You been enjoying it?

[wide fractal]

I like it very much yes. Crits just happen so often 😄

[sage kettle]

Frenzied assault or cbr?

[wide fractal]

Frenzied assault. Sry for late answer

[sage kettle]

You’re good, thanks for getting back at all.

[dim quiver]

Does anyone have a sim which devastate works ?

[round wind]

Whats better right now dw fury or deep arms. Off tanking sunday so ill be running dps for the large majority of the raid

[dull birch]

Fury is better on the first two bosses and arms on the rest due to armor

[opal heath]

HI Guys, any1 who plays SOD with an prot PVP build? Id love to share experience. Or do you know any guides etc? TY

[potent maple]

most talk in this chat has been about pve, but I am sure you would be able to find a build in the fight club discord

theres a permanent invite link pinned in this channel i believe

[opal heath]

tysir

[deep pulsar]

Hi guys new to classic. I assume rend is worth putting on ppl just arnt talking about it because mechs are immune?

[potent maple]

not exactly, rend just isnt worth it to press regardless of immunity. they removed the immunity to bleeds and just made it resistance. This is why arms is performing better than fury at the moment because arms has access to deep wounds and more crit chance in the tree

[round wind]

How exactly does dw tank work if your supposed to stay around 80 rage how do you keep flagellation up or have i read a bad build

Im pretty lost at it tbh im used to playing deep prot ages ago now running arms and getting used to that but arms cannot keep threat. Since im dpsing 75 percent of the raid im gonna have to learn dw fury dps and tanking

[south karma]

what do yall thing of excaliboar

is it worth it or something like whirlwind or bonebiter better

[round wind]

Any idea where a good place to start would be for me. I need to learn 2 handed fury playstyle. Ive only played arms and deep prot. But switching to out off tank is gonna require me to play 2 handed fury and its a brand new spec to me basicaly

Im used to stance dancing so droping all my rage to stance dance just throws a wrech in my thought process

Usualy i end up doing the dragon. The last time i did animals i pulled it off in arms spec so idk how much more squishy that will be id probably end up just throwing ona. Shield and running devistaye for thay fight

Our guild seems to be trying to figure out the animal fight still

We get it every week

But we all have diffent opinions lol

[slender scarab]

whats your normal spec arms?

[round wind]

Problem is im having issue with threat running arms. When i have to tank and sometimes my raild leader wants me to suprose tank a boss

[round wind]

Deep arms mortal strike

They also dont like to wait 2 seconds before going ape.shit either so im trying to do what i can

[slender scarab]

alliance/horde?

[round wind]

Alliance to boot

All my threat issues would be fixed of we went back to the let tank grab agro and get into postions but with how pallys and locks have ranged abilities no one wants to move slow its all speed runing and sloppy ess

Yeah we see it lol. Running as dps with a pally tank almost had me rerolling

Ill try voicing the same but the solution rather than wait 3 seconds for threat was to have the other tank tank the fight lol

I got the epic shocky sword last night

1.7 speed so should help with threat over protectors sword

Thats the other issue we are not prioretizing geating tanks and healers for a progression group

I hope next phase they give us a little better snap threat. Taunt havinga 5 yard range would also be huge imo

[slender scarab]

single target isnt too horrible, providing ppl chill out on pull

its a bit hairy on therm when you kite though if you have blasters

tbh sod isnt retail

[round wind]

Yeah im not looking forward to that. Made it to.phase 3 with a pug the other week again this was all arm spec. Was my first attempt to tank it

[round wind]

Exactly seems to be a mix but alot of people wanna retail thier way through.

Haha okay glad to hear it

You end up doing dw?

Can you explain how flagelation rune works for us

In dw

Are we supposed to try and keep it up the same waynas arms

Kk

And we run the one to stay above 80 rage

The juggling one

Okay yeah that was my main stuggle to understand

So as dw fury your sitting in def stance most of the time

Cycling out for zerker and op

Kk so im not far off woth how i tried it

I went into sm with a pally and a mage and didnt run thuderclap rune... went horroble

Yeah more raid awareness than just swappingbfor dps

Swap into beserker while big hit is inc is a no no

[errant hollow]

been playing around with fury for a little bit. For some reason on training dummies in Thousand Needles i can maintain 400dps for 5 minutes straight... I get into raid though and i struggle to generate rage and my boss fight dps is lucky to hit 200dps. Whats going on here? its really frustrating.

[grand rain]

Need to see logs to know for sure.

• are you getting all the raid buffs?
• is your spec correct?
• is your gear correct?
• are you rage pooling?
• is your rotation correct
• are you using your cooldowns?
• are you getting world buffs?

[errant hollow]

Yes to all of the above, and I believe my rotation is correct. I am opening with bloodrage, popping flagelattion, I pop a rage pot. I prioritize bloodthirst and whirlwind. I spam hamstring during bloodthirst and WW cooldown to proc windfury. I hit heroic strike at 100 rage to rage dump and I hit slam during every bloodsurge proc. once execute phase hits, I prio that ability.

[grand rain]

I can’t see how much rage you’re wasting

You should never hit 100 rage though

[errant hollow]

Well i dont very often, but I try to build it up for my consumed by rage proc. should i not be doing that?

[grand rain]

You should. But you also don’t want to be at 100 ideally because you risk wasting rage

[errant hollow]

ok, does my rotation sound correct though?

[potent maple]

the largest difference between the two is the dummies in TN are level 1... the raid bosses are level 42 with higher armor values.

the dummies you crit a lot and generate a lot more rage as a result

[grand rain]

I’m not up to date on the current meta of warrior rotation, you would need to check logs/look at the wowhead or fight club guide

[potent maple]

fury doesnt really have the need to press hamstring

its just kinda a wasted button if you are 0/31/0

the point of hamstring is to fish for crits for deep wounds, just manage your rage when it gets too high with HS

you should naturally be hovering around the upper-echelon of your rage bar (60-90) this is optimal for CbR uptime

its possible also you have very low hit%, and you dont have the conglomerate of raid buffs that enable our rage and damage to come in

these being homunculi, windfury, and other ap buffs such as might/SoA totem

[grand rain]

He said he has all the raid buffs /shrug

And the lvl 42 mobs hit req should be ez pz especially if you’re HS cancelling? I would think

[potent maple]

should be yeah, but im kinda looking @ it from a prespective of questing gear and not having this from bfd

such as epic gloves, most gnomer gear, 3pc etc

if youre wearing questing greens and a few blues u definitely dont fit that mark 😛

though, it should be mentioned that if doing 200 dps hit % isnt the only pressing issue

tbh he prolly just needs gear

and itll solve itself

[grand rain]

This is why we need a log

Gear on war is good tho

[potent maple]

extra gear will substantially help with the problem hes asking about haha so its prolly just as simple as that

[errant hollow]

sounds good! thank you. I will stray away from hamstring then and focus on rage management with heroic strike. I do need a little more hit for sure. Thank you both for your input, it is helping for sure!

[knotty thorn]

Hi. I'm getting conflicting advice online about the best weapon enchant for arms 2h, impact or dismantle. Is there a consensus here?

[round wind]

is there a way to run sims? Swaping to DW i have Elects Needle, Protector sword and VAnquisher sword. not sure what goes where

[wind trail]

I'd go quickly farm out the 1h epic mace from STV event and do that with needle

But honestly I think devastate is better than DW fury for tanking at this point in time

[round wind]

Devastate but with fury build you mean? Or full protection spec

[wind trail]

No need to go full prot until if/when shield slam is significantly buffed.

Recommend you go deep fury or arms with devastate if tanking. If you're OTing mostly I'd recommend just do deep arms. It'll be fine with devastate (note it procs deep wounds now) and you'll do better dps with 2h when not tanking.

DW fury just misses too much at this point and struggles on high armor bosses. Not to mention warrs are the squishiest tanks right now so having shield is nice.

[potent maple]

counterweight, dismantle, and impact all sim very close to one another. Fight club discord cites 5dps. That number could very well be old but I just play impact personally

[sterile tangle]

can i join a cleared raid without getting saved to get to the cleaning room to buy 2 patterns?

[potent maple]

I dont think so no

[sterile tangle]

dang

[knotty thorn]

Thank you

[round wind]

why isnt exsanguiar on the bis weapon list. Proc bait?