vanilla-discussion

[green moss]

hm i kinda assumed it would be the worse version

50% overpower crit chance is prob worth more than 2% everything crit chance

it makes the deep wounds actually worth taking

why not put 2 in charge? makes getting to 80 rage way easier

[viral venture]

2 points in charge is worth more than 2 points in tactical mastery right now IMO. Don’t really need defensive stance in BFD.

[summer carbon]

Even when I'm tanking as Arms, I'm using Warbringer so the extra rage from charge helps

I'm also disgusting TC enjoyer so I have points in that too

Also is there any general item bis list around for all classes? I want to avoid loot drama in the guild and having one would be good to have

[unkempt dune]

How's warrior in SoD

I have a lock for my first character cause i heard of meta

Then when i got it i realized it sucked

So now i have a lvl 10 warrior

A lvl 11 rouge

And a lvl 13 dudu

Don't know which to lvl

Fury or arms better?

[summer carbon]

Go feral

All will love you and you do good dps

Warrior is struggletown in pvp and you dont perform well before you get your BFD weapon

[obsidian fox]

Why it sucked?

[neon spade]

#vanilla-discussion message

[eternal chasm]

i never actually really have to charge in raids

unless I am the one who pulls the boss

[tawdry reef]

Onyx claymore or smites hammer? Before bfd dropchance

[eternal chasm]

i play Ancient war sword

[tawdry reef]

You buy it?

Or quest

[daring nest]

hi all. is this server relevant for wow classic era players?

or just only the retail players?

[neon spade]

I mean this server is more retail focused i suggest u look in the pins and join fight club if u are a classic era player

[viral venture]

Quest.

[tepid ferry]

Duel wielders, what runes are you using?

I’m fury 2h but I got the tulwar last night so now I’m going dw. I need help lol

[tropic mulch]

Yo guys? am i in the right place for SoD questions?

[tepid ferry]

You can ask but seems like no one really knows here. I’m trying to find the info hub 😂

[tropic mulch]

Aha ok ok

do let me know if you find something XD

[tepid ferry]

I think I’m going to try this place

[neon spade]

Ive post my stuff yesterday

[fossil ice]

I tried offtanking a bfd last night without devestate.. is it that big of a game changer? I couldn’t hold threat at all for even a second after taunts

I also had a dagger mainhand which now I hear is awful lol

[placid sun]

Quick question : at pull, do you wait for rage to cap the 80 rage (cbr) without cast any spells even rend / op procs OR do you cast anyway op procs /rend before to get at 80 rage ?

[tepid ferry]

no one knows orchi!

gotta study logs

[eternal chasm]

well i would never waste OP proc

usually i just pop Bloodrage+rage pot and im usually at 80rage almost instantly

[jade wharf]

hey i cant find anything regarding 2hand or dual wield. I Just got the dual wield rune and i have Cruel barb+ SFK Dagger, for 2 hand i would have the ancient warsword. At what point do i play dual wield or 2hand?

the movement buff is neat too

but in pvp i had to many misses and dodges as a dual wield (130 weapon skill)

[neon spade]

#vanilla-discussion message

u always 2 hand pvp

[jade wharf]

❤️ thanks!

[neon spade]

the TLDR is play which spec u enjoy the most in PVE it dont matter

[lethal bobcat]

@placid sun first of all you never use Rend, at all. It's a terrible ability. You don't use any abilities except bloodrage. Use a rage potion as well and your rage will be at 80 in no time

[unkempt dagger]

I've been using fast weapons dual wield and piercing howl

Howls nice for the mobs constantly running away or mobs that you lose aggro on and don't want the dps to die immediately

[tardy lily]

Rend is Better as Quick Strike, but yes. You should pool Rage until 80 first.

[round wind]

Anyone know what the pre raid bis weapon is in Sod

[neon spade]

plenty of articles out there on icy veins and wowhead

most are world drop greens tho

[round wind]

Yeah im having trouble locking in pre raid maybe ill try it on web browser everything saying of the tiger atm

[neon spade]

yer

because it is

[round wind]

But wondering where's smites hammers falls and if thats worth targeting while leveling

[neon spade]

cause its strength and agi

i mean thats fine

just get a wep that has high damage and good stats

[round wind]

Oh i dont dosagree to the tiger just not easy to farm lol

[neon spade]

all over the AH if u have the gold

u also

dont need close to a full 'pre bis' to clear the raid

[round wind]

Yeah i like to fi ish off leveling by spamming for pre raid bis is all. So wasnt sure if i should skip that one

[neon spade]

like dungeon gear is fine

dont stress too much about pre raid bis list

if u have like good quest greens and blues and dungeon gear

youll be fine

[round wind]

Tha ks

[ashen sun]

@neon spade if your wanting to play fury is the tech to have a slow main hand for raging blow/maybe quick strike, and a fast offhand, or does it not matter much

been a hot minute since ive played classic, forgot how it works, i know its slow main hand

[neon spade]

u cant use QS for DW

its 2 hadner only

[ashen sun]

true mb

[neon spade]

and for me

i found flag more damage than Raging blow

even tho i have a pretty good main hand

but fast off hand for sure

[ashen sun]

right thank you

[neon spade]

i posted my damage talents and runes like yesterday in here

if u scroll up

[ashen sun]

ok thanks

[neon spade]

may not be the best but hey i like the playstyle and i dont pretty decent damage i believe and clear multiple times now with no issues 🤷 and thats all that really matters

[ashen sun]

you can tank with this too right on most bosses

[neon spade]

🤷

probably

well actually

i dunno know

i just respec if i tank

[lethal bobcat]

@tardy lily dude Rend is terrible. Look at top logs. No one uses it. To say it’s “as better as QS” is awful

[unkempt dagger]

My runes for dw were blood frenzy, tc, and single minded fury

Honestly the movement speed stacking with the world buff was all I needed

[summer carbon]

But it doesnt stack with BFD buff? Atleast never felt like it does

[unkempt dagger]

It 100% stacks with the BFD world buff

I've tested it multiple times

Not only that but swiftness pots stack with it too

You can tell just by literally racing with others, but the swiftness pot animations for running literally change

So they get closer and closer to looking like the wsg speed buff and you'll out run mounts in ashenvale etc

Only thing I haven't tested with MS buffs is the enchants to boot and the ZG flask when it comes out

[placid sun]

I have seen warriors playing DW on arms spec with RB and others with Blood Frenzy (both on chest), any opinions on what fit the most ? I tried both but can't really say what's the most efficient

[neon spade]

thats up to them and what they feel is better, or they are just following other ppl 🤷

[proven pine]

In SoD, is the enrage effect from consumed by rage considered a different buff to the enrage talent?

[tardy lily]

its super sipple and depends on your build. If your QS make more Damage as your Rend (6Dmg per Rage with 3 Talents), then Quick Strike is better. I am not in this Situation and i am good geared.

[soft kayak]

Short question: Flagellation or Raging blow with DW?

[radiant herald]

Both. Our level and dps is so low that all of the builds are within the margin of error for dps.
Only thing that is provably consistently better is 2h is better than DW once you get ahold of the epic 2h from BFD.

[candid ravine]

So I got the ole purple sword from BFD. is 15/1/0 the play?

[austere hearth]

what day do the ranks update for pvp in sod?

[small helm]

which of these is better

id assume the 10 strength right

[summer carbon]

For dps yeah

Thou Brutal has most stamina you can get

[summer carbon]

This is so weird lol. Usually none of the speed buffs in wow stack. But nice to know, can get up to hunter speeds while running

[knotty plover]

I actually asked about 2h fury or arms. I ask because I was watching a video where someone was pumping around 200 with the 20% faster 2h rune while going 2h fury.

[split locust]

Hello guys , I m struggling a bit with consumed by rage build. I ve tried with DW last raid( BFD quest sword MH and butchers knife from SFK on OH) I found myself waiting until around 60-70% boss life to get to 80 rage . I was not buffed unfortunately and my rotation was just run to boss since I m not tanking can’t charge enrage into raging blow into rend and just wait. My dps was shit

Is rage potion mandatory? First raid I did was freshly dinked 25 with 2handed frenzy assault and the one with increased rage on damage and I was doing more dps

[proven pine]

I think our hit % is too low for DW to be good at this stage

Did you have windfury? Not hitting 80 rage until 60-70% sounds like you were just missing constantly or had no WF

[neon spade]

Well no hit stone he said wasnt buffed

U could also just be positioning wrong

If u aint behind the boss u aint gunna hit it

Theres also bosses where we just dont do damage turtle for instance sheild stops u doing damage so u gen like no rage

And he also has really high armour same issue when the shield breaks

[split locust]

So I was supposed to have WF but our Druid didnt come so I forgot to buy stone. Do you guys think it’s just the stone or Wf? I was hitting the boss from behind. I was looking to swapping builds etc. shall I go with a 2hand sword I have with 80 dmg but stats are 9spirit only? Shall I keep trying with consumed by rage raging blow and QS?

[soft kayak]

currently testing around with all runes and cant rly decide. i have the feeling Fathomblade deals more DPS overall with Raging blow, Quick strike and Consumed by rage
DW with single minded fury deals less damage. Atlesat what i just testet.

fishing Overpower with QS feels amazing

not having QS with DW feels less enganging

[neon spade]

i mean its up too u I havent had an issue with rage an DW, the only thing i do have is one stone for offhand as u cant have WF and stone at the same time on main hand

so i have no idea what your issue is

i mean i dont press rend or anything

i suppose

cause thats not my build

[soft kayak]

Whats your talents?
Im using the same runes with a 2h. And in Raid i cant sometimes even use all the rage im gaining from WF

i literly cast sunder into a 5 stack, because i need to rebuff

because its costing more rage xD

[split locust]

I assume it’s probably that I didn’t have wf or a stone at all.

This is my build

[soft kayak]

why tacitcal mastery? Do you casually tank sometimes? Otherwise i would either just put 2 in TM or even 0, max overpower crit and 2 in parry

[split locust]

For pvp when I swap to disarm thought that was smart would it be big dps increase you think ?

[eternal chasm]

charge is totaly useless in pve

going 4/4 in tactical mastery is usually the way

i would put one point from imporved charge into tactical mastery and then u can put that 1 extra point into OP or Cruelty

depending on what u prefer

[long sandal]

so you can use a hit stone on your off hand and it wont affect the feral buff?

we were unsure about that

[summer carbon]

You can

WF goes to MH

[long sandal]

nice thanks

[scenic brook]

Now I’ve had my fun DW tanking and wanna try running 1h+shield with flag/cbr/devastate. How do you play around flag as tank? Just pop rage at pull for insta threat and pool to 80 after a couple of stacks devastate?

[neon spade]

i wouldnt run that for DW, for 2hander or if u have BF rune sure

but apart from that nah

[tight summit]

If i have fathomblade should I run 2h or should I just farm the WSG 1h and the SFK axe?

wich would be more dps?

[neon spade]

i dont know what fathomblade is

the answer to what does more damage is 2hander

do u do enough with DW tho? yes u do

play what u like most

[tight summit]

fathomblade is the blue sword from first boss in bfd

the cool looking katana

is DW more fun tho?

haven't tried it yet

[neon spade]

thats a personal preference

question

[summer carbon]

The very cool looking katana. Also thats how the epic chest looks on female orcs lol

[tight summit]

do u hit more buttons as DW?

[neon spade]

that depends on runes u run more on use runes as 2hander

so right now no

u will press less as DW

but we are lvl 25 not like u press much any which way

well its classic

same thing

[tight summit]

ok ty i think i will stay 2H

espacially if it deals more dmg

saw a youtube that said DW deals more dmg if u dont have the epic 2H

and wanted to know if that is true

[neon spade]

could be 🤷

[tight summit]

And when raging blow says 100% weapon dmg means only the main hand right?

[neon spade]

yes

which is why i think its bad for DW

but everyone tells me im wrong

🤷

[tight summit]

and what are you guys running for PVP?

[neon spade]

you will ahve to ask someone else

[tight summit]

OK ty man, still trying to decide but i think i will stay 2H for now

dont really feel like farming SFK or DM for the 1h

[ebon wind]

thin phatomblade is better

[tight summit]

and it also looks sick

[radiant swallow]

do you guys think the purple chest isbetter for sod? i really feel like purple gloves with 3pc is better 2 percent hit etc

for tnaking

[tight summit]

for tanking i think the purple chest is better cause of the passive

cause u are the one getting hit the most

[radiant swallow]

so pretty much just for raid dps type of thing

[tight summit]

yes

+dmg from all sources is pretty good

[radiant swallow]

yeah idk i feel like this shit is so easy it dont even matter i feel like the twilight chest plus set bonus plus purple gloves is such a better setup

[tight summit]

if you are dps for sure

[radiant swallow]

the stats on the purple chest are just dog ass literally -2 str and -1 stam from the blue version

[tight summit]

but my tought proces was to go for Blacksmithing for phase 2

[radiant swallow]

i mean leveling to 100 in any profession is very cheap and fast

[tight summit]

i hope they will add some badass weapon or armor for BS

[delicate oracle]

If you’re tanking, the chest is better. The debuff is 15% more damage

[radiant swallow]

people say the same thing about hunter pet get the pet now for better abilities in p2 but like when youre leveling 25-40 theres gonna be 100 chances to get that pet

[tight summit]

yeah but i cant be bothered to do it again for marginal dps increase

[radiant swallow]

i thought it was 1.5

[tight summit]

i know is 15 seconds

not 15%

[radiant swallow]

1.5 percent for 15 secnds right

[tight summit]

but yeah i didn't want to go LW just for the gloves and then never use LW again

felt like a waste tbh

[radiant swallow]

i mean like i said 1-100 is nothing

like a couple hundred light leather and thread

[tight summit]

still costs like 15 gold or something right?

[radiant swallow]

not at alll

for leatherworking its like 2-4 gold to get 100

blacksmithing probably more id guess

[tight summit]

oh damn

yeah bs is mor

more

[radiant swallow]

cuz u need so much stone to lvl up properly not even ore

[tight summit]

true

but how much more dps are the gloves

the stats are kinda bad

6 agi vs 10str and 3agi on the Algae gauntlets

i get the active effect with 10% attack speed

[radiant swallow]

threat gen too tho imagine when people are giga geared and ripping sometimes

[tight summit]

and the hit i feel like is overated, i miss extreamly rare on bosses

[radiant swallow]

stats on both pruple items arent great lol but with the purple gloves setup u get 2 percent hit not 1

doesnt that effect like glancing blows and that type of thing too tho

[tight summit]

it does i think

but i think we are still stresing too much

i was top dps on most bosses on my last raid

i dont think i am the reason we wiped on the DUST DUST boss

[radiant swallow]

yeah i plan to pmuch just tank on the war but i could wanna dps later idk

[tight summit]

i am still debating if i should drop BS and do LW for the gloves

or drop mining even

but mining is such a pain to level

[radiant swallow]

bc even if u look at the twilight avengers chest the stats on it are way better than purple chest

the only thing im thinking it could lose by yeah is if algae gloves and the bis non set boots out do the other stuff

[tight summit]

ashenvale is up in couple of minutes on Chaos bolt btw

if anyone needs to join

[summer carbon]

The LW gloves + full mail set is better. But for me it just comes down to the fact that I'm not sure I'll ever get a full set + the epic chest is cool. Also good for tanking

Also it could be that later on, the chest keeps it value as a single +hit piece but you need to break the set for lvl40 pieces of gear. Who knows really

Also the most important point:

Eww leather

[tight summit]

so it's decided?

Gigachads go BS right?

[summer carbon]

Of course

Only pansies like rogues and paladins use leather

[tight summit]

and i still think the math is funky

i mean you lose 20 attack power with the leather gloves

and gain 1% hit and 0.1% crit

assuming you have the Algae gloves

so i did some more math and with the full 3 piece set and gloves u gain 2% hit and 0.3% crit and lose 30 attack power vs just using the 2 piece, algae gloves and the blue chest, and if u have the pruple chest u have 26 more attack power and lose 1% hit

[spark shuttle]

I want the additional chance to hit for DW tho

[tight summit]

but is 1% hit worth 26 attack power tho?

[final field]

Hit% is worth everything until you hit the soft cap

[summer carbon]

Gloves also have the Use effect

And thats pretty good

[proven pine]

What’s the best weapon I can get via questing pre-BFD

Don’t have it in me to run DM any more

[analog nexus]

Protectors Sword/Legionnaires Sword

11/5/0 (or) 0/16/0 which are we prefering for tank?

[ionic nexus]

is wildstrikes worth it over BFD sharperning stone?

or does BFD sharpening stone -> wildstrikes

😛

[summer carbon]

Yes

[ionic nexus]

sharperning stone in offhand, and wildstrikes for mainhand then

[summer carbon]

WF is best weapon buff you can have

[ionic nexus]

got it

[tight summit]

If u want 2h there is alse the ancient war sword

[worn shard]

whats the pre bis farmable weapon/s before BFD? Smite's hammer? or some combination of 1handers?

[proven pine]

This looks good thanks man

[tardy lily]

Smite hammer is a good and cheep option. For orc killmaim. pre bis are Fury 1hd axes. But they cost around 100g. Not worth.

[tight summit]

Smite's hammer for 2H or Ancient war sword or even Emil's brand, for DW cruel barbs or SFK axe (butcher something) or from PvP rep protectos sword and santinel's dagger

[silver knot]

I’ve been using night reaver (SFK BOE axe) and I’m loving the proc rate of the shadow bolt with Quick Strike. Last I looked on Crusader Strike it was going for ~7g

[summer carbon]

Killmaim is hilarious for orc bleed spec since its proc counts as bleed

[edgy pier]

Are there any classic dps simulators/calculators?

Want to theorycraft different gear and talents/runes

[late jungle]

https://guybrushgit.github.io/WarriorSim/

[summer carbon]

Theres some stuff there that doesnt make sense: item that gives +5str is more dps than item that gives +5str and +1agi :D

[late jungle]

Gives you a rough idea. I didn't make the sim lol

[summer carbon]

Kinda interesting thou

How easy its to get very good DW weapons. One is absolute free loot from 1st boss quest

And butchers cleaver is ez to farm

[livid granite]

What do you guys think is better ancient war sword or the 12 agi pole arm from bfd

[placid sun]

What do you think is better on DW Offhand ? : https://www.wowhead.com/classic/fr/item=209691/couteau-de-jet-vampirique OR https://www.wowhead.com/classic/fr/item=1292/fendoir-du-boucher ? (NB, on main hand i have https://www.wowhead.com/classic/fr/item=209525/tulwar-affûté-des-eaux-sombres)

[vestal axle]

how much defense rating do i need in sod to be crit immune in BFD

[eternal chasm]

eh, are you asking out of curiosity?

😄

[vestal axle]

i paln on tanking it tonight lol

so i need to know how many points to put into anticipation lol

[eternal chasm]

i OT with full dps gear

and never got one shot

and i sometimes have the boss on me for 20-30 seconds

never got killed

dont worry about it too much

[vestal axle]

the bis list has 8 def on gear so im thinking its 8 lol

[eternal chasm]

the bis list is probably just has every item with as much stamina as possible, right?

idk if they focused on def

[vestal axle]

no

it does favor stam on some pieces if u get a lot of stam for trading off very little dps stat but a lot of the gear is similar or same as dps list

[small helm]

whats the best dual wield wep combo

[analog nexus]

I mean it's going to depend on the group, but I would go ahead and say put none into anticipation unless your about to do a 3hour BFD

the common builds right now are 11/5/0 and 0/16/0

[vestal axle]

is the 16th 1/5 enrage?

[analog nexus]

yes

[eternal chasm]

do you guys know how much honor do I need in order to skip from Rank 0 to Rank 3 Sargeant?

[wintry citrus]

it's-0.2% to be crit per point so gl

[vestal axle]

oh yeah nvm lol

[wintry citrus]

you can push crits off with shield block tho

[vestal axle]

true

[wintry citrus]

actually it's worse the .2 is per skill level so every 5 points

[summer carbon]

I think you can push something like 45 defense max with (poor) gear choices

[summer carbon]

P2 pvp is gonna be something different

Warbringer + charge + intercept

And MS

Shits gonna get clapped

[violet linden]

cant wait 😛

[summer carbon]

Also: Intervene

That wasnt a thing in Classic right?

[scenic brook]

Not that it cares too much - just curious:
What are your thoughts on Arms vs Fury Talents as a Tank with Devastate / Flag / CBR?
Deep wounds sure is nice free dps, combined with Tactical Mastery to maintain charge rage.
However fury seems to offer more rage gen for the devastate spam and also imp. Shout for the rest of the melees

[pastel socket]

akumai with epic sword

[tardy lily]

Do you play 15-1 or 11-5 or 1-15?

[pastel socket]

14-2

[placid sun]

For DW is it better to have a slow (2sc+) or fast (-2sc) Off-hand ?

[summer carbon]

Fast

Because of HS activation giving it special attack hit%

[digital musk]

can someone link the 0/16/0 build?

[summer carbon]

Its easy

Take the talents that increase your damage

[eternal chasm]

why do people even spec into fury?

playing without Deep Wounds is crazy to me

[digital musk]

shrug just curious cause i haven't seen or heard of the 0/16/0 build

[tardy lily]

because its good for fury. deep wounds scales better for 2hd weapons. Same with Overpower.

[eternal chasm]

so thats why people do more damage with arms tree while playing DW?

the only thing you change when playing DW is single minded fury for QS

[scenic brook]

I‘m honestly on the fence because of Imp. Battleshout for the melees in raid

[final field]

Deep wounds do around 6% of your total damage on average on boss fights. Barely mandatory pick as skill.

[long wasp]

I'm running fury (1/15) as a 2hand tank because of the shout for the other melees in group. Like everyone constantly says (but apparently then disregard 😉 ) talents don't matter unless you want to parse the best dps.
As a tank it literally doesn't matter. Raid is a joke, dungeons are a joke. You will clear everything easily with whatever talents you choose.

https://vanilla.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/living-flame/graghark
For reference, that was on our raid last week

thats with having to keep sunder armor up and being in defensive stance at all times

[eternal chasm]

they usually do 10%+

if you think picking something that does 13% dmg is not mandatory

and you will go into the fury tree instead

then do what u want

but its just not true

[final field]

This is DW. And yes, ofc it procs more often with two weapons especially when you queue HS.
I was mainly talking about 2h, since I only have experience of that. And still, yes I too have deep wounds

13% is definitely something you want

[eternal chasm]

Yeah, I was just trying to show people that it's worth for both DW and 2H

[final field]

I will try DW tomorrow in raid, since I only have shitty green of strength 2h axe, and instead got the quest reward rare sword and Serra'kis dagger from raid

[summer carbon]

Oh yeah those are good

The difference between the quest sword and drop sword isnt even THAT huge

Also +10% movespeed from dualwield is just best time of your life lol

[eternal chasm]

get the Sword from Nekrosh in Wetlands

[eternal chasm]

it also stacks with boon

xd

[summer carbon]

Doesnt it have like 0,1% drop chance or something lol

[eternal chasm]

its from a quest

[summer carbon]

Wait what am I thinking here

[eternal chasm]

Defeat Nek'rosh

[summer carbon]

The blue BoE

[eternal chasm]

no no

this is a green sword

Ancient War Sword

but its really decent

[final field]

I'm horde

[eternal chasm]

id said its pre-bis

oh

you can get the staff

right?

that shouldnt be too bad

[final field]

Ill wait for Fathomblade or akumai sword 🙂

[eternal chasm]

yeah I said that too, and I ended up Dual Wielding

😄

[buoyant patrol]

SOD prebis list ?

[summer carbon]

Oh yeah I was thinking about this :D https://www.wowhead.com/classic/npc=397/morganth

[cedar relic]

what spec are you running? full arms or any cruelty?

[eternal chasm]

1 point in cruelty

[analog nexus]

Ideally, 0/16/0 would be for your tank, it's either suboptimal or optimal depending on your comp and goal: mostly, it's good for speedclears with melee heavy groups

[runic crypt]

how often does blacksmithing chest piece proc ?

[eternal chasm]

oh, yeah the sword is not even that expensive on ah, i dont think its that good 😄

the Nekrosh sword is pretty cranked

[maiden flicker]

Is there any specific channel for SOD discussion ?

[long sandal]

can we sim? all this feels good isnt the same

[neon spade]

in fight club maybe not here tho

[mint plover]

is it worth to craft the epic chest? I bought all mats and have 100 bs but after checking bis list it doesnt look too hot

even losing 2 strength when compared to the blue one

is 1% hit big?

[summer carbon]

If you craft the LW gloves and get the full 3/3 set, thats better

but

Good luck getting the set and its more than likely that in next phases BS will be go-to as warriors

[mint plover]

im not doing LW on a warrior, no fucking way

[eternal chasm]

you get the 1% hit regardless from set pieces, but with hands you can get 2%

just get LW to 100

it costs nothing

[summer carbon]

Except that you lose profession slot and access to the chest

(also eww leather)

[eternal chasm]

the chest is useless when you play dps

if imma need to swap leather to BS in s2 imma do it

but for the time being LW it is

[summer carbon]

Still best option out of 3 set + LW gloves

[eternal chasm]

I ain't second to anything

[green moss]

ill swap to LW when I have the set lol

[warped thicket]

what runes are you guys going for DW and 2H? is raging blow the way to go?

[willow umbra]

I have the 2H shadowbolt sword from SFK trash seems to be doing alright.

[lethal bobcat]

@warped thicket RB, CBR, QS

[analog ether]

What’s going on with this deep wounds bug??

Anyone have a quick summary of how it works

[limpid stirrup]

is butchers cleaver or legionnaires sword a better offhand?

[runic quail]

Basically the new abilities are coded in such a way they dont interact properly

[analog nexus]

Devastate doesn't proc Deep Wounds

[analog ether]

Not talking about that; apologies for being vague

[limpid stirrup]

was that during transition when he takes reduced damage?

i guess maybe not with those time stamps

[analog ether]

This is like rolling ignite but with deep wounds

was just inquiring here to see if anyone knew the exact mechanics on how it works

[cinder berry]

whats the current meta for tanking? arms build in def stance? prot with a 2h? sword and board?

[boreal badge]

Arms spec up to 3/3 deep wounds then cruelty. defensive stance. Sword and board devastate

[cinder berry]

ty

[cunning quarry]

Parsing avg about 90 dps per fight maybe a bit higher with 16/0/0 dual wielding. I need to try out with the new katana

[tight summit]

I think warrior are in an ok spot with 2h atm

This is at kelris

[weak marlin]

what talent points are you running @tight summit ?

[tight summit]

15/1/0

With 2 points in imp OP

3/3 deep wounds

[weak marlin]

Thanks, did we decide 2 points in OP is worth it?

[tight summit]

Quick strike, raging blow and consumed as my runes

I dont really know if it is

I crits really often but is not rly a big part of my dmg it seems

Just realised i havent hit one over power on the kelris fight

But this is with 2 world buffs and full buffed but i still got sent into the shadow realm once

This is on the last boss without most of the buffs and no world buffs

Dont really know about improved op

[cunning quarry]

@tight summit what weapon you running. Going to try out 2H next lockout

[spark shuttle]

He’s using fathomblade

[cunning quarry]

Aight

[tardy lily]

Dont know if this Formula is Right. 100hits, 5% Dodge. Means. 95 Normal Hits (QS, Autohit, Raging Blow) and 5 Overpower. 2 Crit vs 2,5 Crit. OP is the Best Attack and you wont want to miss one. So i think its worth. (Edit: Creatures at your level have a 5% chance to Dodge your attacks. Each additional level the target has over the player grants them 0.5% additional chance to dodge. )

[runic quail]

What full build you running? im assuming cruelty is in there

Improved HS seems less important if playing devastate because it seems mostly to benefit quick strike

Just messed up and went cruelty first... Lol. love wasting gold

I originally tanked BFD using prot talents but it seems defiance is the only talent in there that is really worthwhile, i guess last stand can be useful but i have not needed it

[tawdry reef]

https://vanilla.warcraftlogs.com/reports/GpWTzC3D1xgbjMJ6 any tips to increase damage, im new to wow

• i just got the blue sword from the raid som that will help

[woven rampart]

Anyone know.. if orcs, have a different pre-raid BIS, since, we get the axe bonus?

[warped plank]

yes

the axe from sfk will be bis aswell

[woven rampart]

ok ty

[warped plank]

not a huge upgrade just minor if u are dual wielding

[woven rampart]

i was doing 2handed, what would be preraid BIS?

[radiant herald]

Onyx Claymore probably. They tend to be pretty cheap.

I picked up one for 4g

There just arent a whole lotta good axes that the racial bonus would make up for the extra dps

[untold matrix]

Does Warrior really have 5 gloves and 3 leg runes?

[radiant herald]

yessir

[cinder berry]

whats the top dps build without SMF?

[untold matrix]

why the hell is warrior the only class that isn't 4/4/4?

feels like a bug

I bet SMF was meant to be legs cause the 2h rune is there but they wanted to enable the DW better access to Consumed by Rage

[boreal badge]

This is what im using. The 3 points in tclap is just for easier time with trash, those could go to parry if you want to be more boss centric. I agree not alot of use for imp HS at this point. https://www.wowhead.com/classic/talent-calc/warrior/023023003-03_156vt76vwa6mg

[limber sorrel]

Does single minded fury stack with boon of blackfathom?

[supple cradle]

Did SoD actually remove racial weapon skills?

[tawdry reef]

what talent tree is everyone running for 2hand arms?

[summer carbon]

Yeah and if you are human with swords (or orc with axes), the +5 weapon skill is kinda non-bo with Imp Overpower since your targets dodge less compared to non-weaponskill users

[summer carbon]

Yes

[summer carbon]

No

[supple cradle]

Unfortunate.

[summer carbon]

Thou currently it doesnt matter much

[supple cradle]

Is there a way for an aura to track the 20s duration of VR?

[summer carbon]

I'm sure there is weakaura for that somewhere

https://wago.io/classic-weakauras/classes/warrior

[summer carbon]

https://wago.io/dpUPB0yu6 Lol someone posted this today

[vital aurora]

feel like im doing something wrong tanking. im running the 13/3/0 spec mentioned above. i see most warriors using consumed by rage, but im having trouble holding aggro on anything while trying to even get to the point where i benefit from it. is the use of that rune assuming using rage pots ?

[summer carbon]

Remember to press Sunder and if using Devastate, use slow mainhand. WSG rep sword is good, horde BFD 1st boss quest sword is good

[eternal chasm]

you mean the globe quest?

thats not horde only

[scenic brook]

Also consider using Flagelation and popping Rage at pull for that frontloaded threat

this should then also help you exceed the 80 rage

[eternal chasm]

BR+Pot and you should be there right?

i was thinking tanks also use RB

[scenic brook]

Nah that apparently shifted

[summer carbon]

Oh nice, I stand corrected. Was confusing it with the crumbled note I guess

[eternal chasm]

you meant this right?

[summer carbon]

Yeah. That sword is stronks

[scenic brook]

And as always...warriors need gear to perform. so get yourself the quest weapon from bfd and you should be golden

[summer carbon]

Offhand from SFK or WSG revered

[eternal chasm]

still, the weapon damage diff from the q sword and Lady sword is crazy

i was playing 2h but i had to switch to DW because the sword from Lady is just that broken 😄

[scenic brook]

You mean Honed Talon?
Yeah that is insane

[summer carbon]

Im always grouping with Rogues so I dont have heart to need on it

And already got cool blue katana

[scenic brook]

Never feel sorry for a rogue

[eternal chasm]

yeah, i didnt see even one of the 2h swords from like 4 IDs

😄

[scenic brook]

They can have their little daggers

[eternal chasm]

imma yoink the dagger when it drops

[summer carbon]

Bis offhand for DW: that dagger

[scenic brook]

I said "their little daggers"...not my dagger lel

[long wasp]

for DW / 1H+Shield it shifted. 2Hand still goes RB

[scenic brook]

oh yeah I wa talking about tanking since that was the question - thx for the clarification!

[long wasp]

Don't discriminate against 2hand tanks! 😛

[eternal chasm]

oh so people actually tank with 2h?

i was thinking about that 😄

when u tank with 2h all u do is swap QS for Devastate right?

[long wasp]

Have the epic 2hand since 2nd ID and don't get any good MH sword so I won't DW unless I get the BFD sword (if I will at any point)

So yea I'm maintanking every ID we've run in SoD with 2hand

[scenic brook]

oh shit walked right into that one

[long wasp]

pretty much yea

[scenic brook]

would love to get the epic sword and tank with that tbh

[long wasp]

Its definetely fun! Still am in top 3 DPS most of the time and I still run Fury spec for battle shout

But you can make everything work in BFD, everything falls pretty quick and doesn't deal a whole lot of damage

[rough grotto]

Is this where all the people come who get banned from fight club?

[summer carbon]

Yes

[eternal chasm]

i joined that server once, the server looks pretty messy to me

lmfao

do they casually ban people or what?

[rough grotto]

Yeah if you ask stupid questions or things they seem stupid. Ban/mute

[eternal chasm]

Cringe tbh, I remember one of the rule said use Search before you ask anything

[supple cradle]

Every other class must feel like unstoppable murder machines

Because just adding VR seems to be wild

[long wasp]

To be honest I've only seen them banning/muting people for asking the questions which can be answered with a simple search in discord or google. They have also stickied to just read the pins where most guides are linked, so questions like "Do I go arms/fury/prot" "what is my bis weapon" are not asked like every minute (like here)

[brave ledge]

Dual wield with quest sword+cleaver or two hand with fathomblade? What is best. Is two hand only better if we have epic sword?

[neon spade]

depend it aappears if fully buffed and consumes

2hander pulls ahead but not by much

we are only lvl 25 after all

[tight summit]

I got 145 dps with fathomblade on kelris so I vote 2h

[humble saddle]

Just got the blue 1h sword to drop last night in raid! Are people doing DW Tank with SMF or is Devestate with Sword and Board better?

Was thinking of running something like this

[summer carbon]

I dont see much merit in DW tanking since Devastate exists

[spark shuttle]

DW tank kill boss faster 🙂

[boreal badge]

Devastate does more damage, or at least it did up to now. Well see how this dagger offhand for more deep wounds thing plays out

[humble saddle]

oh yea I saw that

[tardy trout]

How do I get the brutal helm if the brutal armor quest chain sends me to RFK?

[summer carbon]

By going there with a crack team of cool ass people

Its not hard with 5x 25lvl

[tardy trout]

Damn I don't know anyone like that

[summer carbon]

Well 5 lame dudes also will do

I think we had 4 warriors and a shaman who was underleveled

Its not really hard

The mines suck almost more

[summer carbon]

In fact, it was actually pretty fun

[tardy trout]

And you need to complete the brutal armor quest before you can get the helm ya?

[boreal badge]

It is fun, kinda like a 5 man raid lol

[willow forge]

Sword and cross dagger

[willow forge]

In dun it's perfectly fine to run either in raid it's much better to run dev

[runic quail]

Did that with 4 warriors and a hunter very carefully

[eternal chasm]

Yo guys, how do you log on SoD?

I've been trying since start but my logs never save

or I get an error

[analog nexus]

CBR is good for boss pulls, but should be swapped out for something more useful on trash (unless you have the benefit of being able to build your rage -> chain pull trash with warbringer/cbr)

[analog ether]

you should build rage on 1 or two pulls until you’re near max rage then spend most of it on snap threat for all following pulls

should try to never go into a pull with 0 rage

esp as tank

but more importantly none of the trash really matters in BFD aside from the elites and even those hardly do any damage at all

[willow forge]

You honestly want to chain pull so you never really run out of rage

[analog ether]

yeah this basically

If you run out of rage you’re fucked

always save a mob or two to build rage prior to boss pull as well. That’s what we do

to build rage and get combo points for the rogues

and ferals

[willow forge]

CBR is just really good threat of you have it and manage it properly

[willow forge]

I mean if your rich enough it's not even that bad to just charge in and rage pot . I usually end up with about 60-70 instantly after the first two auto

[analog ether]

yeah I’m not tanking I’m dps but the same applies. Rage pots are 8-10s per on my server so it’s nothing. I go into every boss like 70 rage to proc CBR right off the bat then just rage pot during execute phase

[scenic brook]

Either pop /combatlog before entering (if your game crashes you have to redo it) or simply use the addon "Loggerhead"

[analog ether]

press escape -> go to options -> go to network -> ensure that the “enable advanced combat logging” checkbox is checked

And then you have to download the WCL uploader I believe

[eternal chasm]

Loggerhead?

using addon sounds good

I'll try that

[flint herald]

Sell it as trash farm/killing the rarest for the 11 agi polearm/ doing the escort quest for the ring

[cinder berry]

whats the rotation? what do i press to dump rage above 80?

[flint herald]

Hey brain trust I never got a real chance to test it but I ran as an off tank last night in BFD.
outside of the fights where i actually need to tank anything am I better off running sword and board for devastate or just smacking out the 5 sunders and DPSing with a 2 hander ?
With the fights ending so quickly devastate felt better

[flint herald]

You just wanna raging blow on cd overpower on proc and use quick strike / heroic strike / cleave as needed to keep from capping rage and force yourself under 80 so you keep re triggering the rage.
I only execute if I know the boss is a shot or two from dropping

Happy to be wrong though

[cinder berry]

ok, thxs

i assume i do keep rend up correct?

[summer carbon]

No you remove it from your bars lol

[cinder berry]

really? its THAT bad????

oof, didnt know that

[flint herald]

if youre not running the rune for it unless you literally cannot get below 80 rage without it send it to the void

[cinder berry]

3 wasted talent points then lol, tht sucks. oh well

[flint herald]

i use it if i dont have a feral but the points have nowhere better to be spent

[lethal bobcat]

Deep wounds is well worth the 3 pts in rend

[cinder berry]

for smf, i have a dagger and a mace, dagger has higher damage, but is obv much faster. which should be in my main hand?

[lethal bobcat]

Slower weapon in MH.

[cinder berry]

ty

[proud spindle]

lads is there a dedicated SoD warrior discord?

[lethal bobcat]

This is it

[warm bramble]

Arms or Fury in SOD?

[vestal axle]

so for SMF is it better to use the faster butchers cleaver in my offhand or the slower higher dmg revered sword (im horde so i have outlaw sabre main hand until raid drops). i am not an orc so i do not benefit from axe mastery

[vast mesa]

There’s a couple of channels on fight club

[nocturne solstice]

When we tank do we just pool rage to 80 then slam sunders? (when using CBR) Not quite sure of the play style

whats the proper rotation I guess is what I'm asking

[vestal axle]

u charge + rage pot + bloodrage to get to 80

or prepull a mob

[nocturne solstice]

cool thanks

[summer carbon]

Pain. Never seen people doing this in raids

[vestal axle]

yeah usually u get to the boss with like 90 rage and then everyone goes "lets wait til this warriors rage hits 0 then send the pull timer"

[flint herald]

Can confirm

[weary mauve]

Does an enchanted weapon (+3 damage) interfere with being able to get wild strikes/windfury?

[runic crypt]

no

[weary mauve]

Just the sharpening stones then, kk

[runic crypt]

ye

[vestal axle]

wait the sharp stone deleted windfury

[cunning kernel]

Any temp buff does

[vestal axle]

so do we not use wep stones or only on offhands

[cunning kernel]

Off hand for stones. Mh will will benefit from wf

[vestal axle]

kk

[wicked cove]

hey guys, wondering if you even use rage pot in bfd?

[neon spade]

U can

Gets u to 80 rage faster

[summer carbon]

And if they are cheap, might as well

15-30s on my server so uuuugh

[neon spade]

8 on mine

[summer carbon]

Then again, I got like 100 briarthorns and claws go for 5s

[final field]

Barely. I go through like 20 ragepots per raid 😅

[faint hornet]

hey, sharpening stone question. I'm DW running BFD, offhand 2% BFD stone. For MH (without a wild strikes), is 2% hit better than +2 weapon damage? I'm currently using the outlaw sabre (2.7 speed)

[summer carbon]

Yeah 2% is better

Hit is like best stat you can have before you hit the cap

Only weaponskill is better

Yellow can is 9% (6% for humans and orcs)

[faint hornet]

ok cool. thanks. Going to try it out tonight. Was running +2 the other day.

first time playing a melee class in classic so I'm still learning the intricacies of the warrior. Loving it so far, though

[summer carbon]

Something you probably didnt know then: While you have Heroic Strike/Cleave activated, you offhand autoattacks gain special attack miss chance. So against bosses it goes from 25% -> 9%. If you cancel your HS at the last minute before you strike and then activate it, your offhand has much bigger damage output overall

And more rage generation. This is called HS cancelling

Also why most warriors sucked in DPS in Classic since most players dont know how to weave that well while also doing their normal rotation

[faint hornet]

Thanks for for taking a second to explain that. I have heard of it, and have a HS, startattack macro equipped, but I didn't realize that having a HS in queue granted that "hit chance"

I'm going to dive into that topic today for sure

I've done two BFDs so far. Aside from our hunter, I've been pumping some solid dps compared to the other classes. Mainly, trying to master the 80 rage dance and using my CDs on cooldown properly.

[summer carbon]

I feel that if you dont have feral, raid thats willing to pool rage and use rage potions, its so painful to hit that 80 rage that rend-spec is better to play

[faint hornet]

Plays better with wild strikes, but I felt better than I thought I would have. Bloodrage into a rage pot into raging blow gets pretty close to 80. Even closer if you get a charge off the start of the encounter.

[quaint wharf]

So you SoD 2H tanks, are you tanking in battle stance so you can still overpower while floating around 80 rage?

[formal pond]

are 2 x 1 hander fury warrior for orc any good ?

[summer carbon]

Well... hard to say. Talwar is way better 1h than anything else in the game and the lvl24 slow BoE mainhand doesnt come close on paper. Same goes for dagger of serrakis vs Cleaver from SFK. How much does the weaponskill really play into this here? It drops hit% needed from 9% to 6% but is that enough to make a difference when Talwars and Serrakis Shanks DPS is so much higher? My gut says it isnt

[echo summit]

is cleaver back on the menu? I was told to swap to the pvp weapons till I get serakis/shadowbolt sword

[summer carbon]

Pvp weapons are better

Orcs have racial bonus towards axes so that might tip the favor vs WSG dagger in Cleavers case. Or not. But its surely close

[formal pond]

are troll race any good for warrior i dont like orc becuse of 50 % reduce healing racial ability

[summer carbon]

Dont get hit lol

In my old guild, one of the healers had an addon that removed orcs from his frame when they used Blood Fury lol

But Orc racial is super good but you just have to balance the drawback

Troll racial is super good for main tanks since it scales how much you've lost health

[safe sandal]

you guys going deep wounds for 1h/shield tank?

doesnt seem worth

[summer carbon]

You can raid without putting in any talent points

[safe sandal]

right

been trying different spec each lockout

fury feels best rage wise+imp shout

[summer carbon]

But yea I dont think its needed for a tank

[heady trench]

do warriors suck in dugeons in sod?

[vestal axle]

not if u chain pull

[summer carbon]

Not at all

But dungeons arent exactly hard

Thou dont compare to shamans. They are something else

[heady trench]

just feels like your rage starved the whole way through and stuff dies before you can do anything really

[summer carbon]

Oh I was thinking tanking for some reason lol

[vestal axle]

if ur tanknig dungeons just go warbringer with the arms talent tree for imp rage and just charge off cd

[heady trench]

how about dps?

[summer carbon]

Never had any problems

Apply rend, cleave

QS if single mob

[vestal axle]

go smf, get a fast off hand like butchers cleaver or the dagger from bfd then just beat em up

2h is really slow rage gen in dungeons

[heady trench]

thank ya ill try it

[vestal axle]

for dungeons as dps i go raging + smf + consumed. just gotta find a healer that doesnt go oom so u can stay in consumed buff the entire time

also be careful about when u execute cus resetting to 0 can be bad if u cant charge bloodrage to get back up quick

[summer carbon]

I just got the stupid 1.4 fist mainhand from BFD

Time to do some stupid shit in dungeons lol

[vestal axle]

generally u want a slower mainhand cus the hit chance is higher and abilities like raging blow and cleave r affected by wep dmg

[summer carbon]

I know

[vestal axle]

u want the fast off hand for stats+rage gen

so outlaw sabre/revered sword r prob better main hand options

until u get darkwater

[summer carbon]

Thats why I said "stupid". Its a meme weapon for pretty much anyone and anything. Well maybe not for dungeon tanking warriors, ench shaman DW and ench tanking

[vestal axle]

i just think its funny that fury warriors want the 1.2 caster dagger for their offhand lol

[heady trench]

what set up do yall use for pvp in sod?

[summer carbon]

Also probably poison rogues who only spam Shiv anyway

[vestal axle]

how do i do grimtotem spying for the bracers im at the dude and he doesnt have the quest and wowhead doesnt mention a chain

[vestal axle]

thank you i guess im just fried

[summer carbon]

Also: get a friend there with you, its ass to solo

And the rescue mission is almost impossible to solo as warrior

[crude ibex]

In terms of stat weights does agi outweigh str. At level 25 you get 0.11% crit per agi and therefore 9 agi is 1% crit. Normal stat weights that seem to be used on bis website typically have crit % at 20 and str at 2. But if 1% crit is weighted as 20 shouldn't we then be giving agi 2.22 weight. Don't think it really changes gearing much as so little choice anyway. Crit is very powerful currently with the way deep wounds works and it's bonus to rage gen. What do you guys think

[humble stag]

Is sunder armor worth pressing against animals?

[summer carbon]

No

Because this calculation includes at least the use of 2/2 Impale which gives more value to crit

Also Flurry

[vestal axle]

does this make Butcher's cleaver a better offhand option for SMF than the raid daggers or am i misunderstanding something?

[fleet kiln]

Is 3/3 deep wounds necessary to achieve the 10-13% of damage it can provide or can we get away 1/3? Just curious about the thoughts on 16/0/0 and taking impale. I'm undecided on impale or cruelty.

[summer carbon]

Id say you are since its talking about Devastate which is sword+board rune for tanking

But looking more closely... maybe? The difference between BFD dagger and Cleaver is huge thou and dagger wins that

[vestal axle]

Maybe I didn't word my question in a way that was reflective of what I'm trying to figure out because it's not about devastate at all.

If daggers do 25% less dmg for warriors than other weapon types then how is chipped bite > butcher's cleaver? Butchers cleaver is faster so it has better rage gen. Butchers Cleaver is 16.2 dps and chipped bite is 0.75 * (23.33) = 17.50 dps cus of dagger status -25%, but butchers cleaver also gives 5 str 2 agi vs a dmg proc with an extremely high miss chance because its an offhand weapon. Maybe the proc rate on the dmg is really good, maybe the reduction olny applies to mainhands, maybe the extra 1.3 dps is just better, idk. So im basically asking for someone who understands the mechanics of why the dagger would be better to explain it to me because I like to understand these things. Sorry if that was unclear the first time.

[summer carbon]

Aaah yeah. Okay not sure about this either. To be fair, Ive never even heard before that daggers have 0.75 ap scaling

[vestal axle]

me either until i saw that on the warrior guide today

[summer carbon]

Nor can I find source for that

Probably need go shank some shitterlings in WC or something for few runs to test it out

[ivory current]

is there a link somewhere for where to find runes

[summer carbon]

Wowhead

[summer carbon]

https://www.wowhead.com/classic/guide/season-of-discovery/warrior-class-runes-discovery-location Scroll down for the "cheat sheet" to get a better idea

[ivory current]

cheers

[humble saddle]

I may not have gotten the legendary axe this week.... but this is a good consolation prize

[summer carbon]

I got the axe

As an orc, now its slight dilemma which to use as I also have Fathomblade

[humble saddle]

i got both last night

I need titans grip

Titans grip tanking would be siq

[summer carbon]

Lol I made the same joke yesterday

[humble saddle]

do I look like im joking!

[lone kelp]

aite everyone gimme some thoughts, is dw better than fathom

been running fathom for a bit now and parsing around 95-96 on kelris/akumai/jett, but heard smf is rising up

[spark shuttle]

Ahlandoh has been using DW but it’s only better if you have Naga sword plus 1.3 speed dagger OH

[lone kelp]

so both are raid drops?

then it's w/e

[humble saddle]

not as cool as a 2h though

[runic quail]

Tanking BFD yesterday, saw my first deadly strike.... on my first run when I was not the only warrior (DPS warrior got it for main spec)

Never going into there with another warrior again 😄

Was really happy for them though

[spark shuttle]

Does the armor shred from 2h stack with other armor shreds? Can bosses have negative armor in classic? Lmao

[humble saddle]

I think so

[summer carbon]

Might be. Vanilla debuff stacking is weird

[humble saddle]

I think in Wrath you can hit throuh armor... but they have armor pen

[summer carbon]

Nightfall used to stack with Sunder. Why? Dunno. Sunder doesnt stack with Haemonculi armor debuff. Why? Dunno either

...Oh nightfall was spell damage lol

[summer carbon]

...Oh man. Imagine Arms with Sulfuras

Also imagine: Rogue tank prio on Thunderfury kek

[supple cradle]

Does Devestate do more DPS than HS at 5 stacks?

[summer carbon]

Yes or no

[supple cradle]

wut

[summer carbon]

Since it scales how slow your mainhand is

[supple cradle]

Right, this is kinda assumptive you're targeting the right gear- are there no good slow 1hers in BFD or other content?

Or are we diet rogues atm?

[summer carbon]

There is super good MH sword which is 2.7

[supple cradle]

I assume hotly contested though

[summer carbon]

Not unless its tank prio kek

But yeah its BIS for DW, Paladin tonks, Rogues, Rogue tanks and warrior tanks

[supple cradle]

Think warriors are a slow burn tank-wise atm? I can see the nuts and bolts of possibly exploding in power

But I'm also worried it'll still pale compared to others.

I usually OTP Protection Warrior in retail, and with the changes in SoD I can already see the utility deficit becoming a real problem again.

[summer carbon]

Well we dont know what future holds. The current knowledge about how classic works no longer applies

Like some of our runes will double in power with lvl40. More enrage effects and Warbringer makes tanks using it super speedy

[neon spade]

I dont know what this utility arugment is for ckassic

But it needs to stop

Its classic, most tanks cleared content with not even having a taunt

[summer carbon]

Maybe warriors will get.. umm

Whats the most not-warrior ability there is?

Battleress kek

Your anger will inspire dead party member to Goggins up and raise to fight again

[grand rain]

Also they mentioned on the content timeline that they were adding new runes each patch

[lament phoenix]

hey guys worth it to get cruel barb even though i have fathomblade already

[vestal axle]

if ur alliance id say yes, if ur horde just use outlaw sabre butchers cleaver until u get bfd weps

u can also use the revered sword MH, better than CB

[echo knot]

Is double cruel barb good for fury as alliance?

or cruel barb, outlaw sabre?

[tardy lily]

what is BIS PvP Schoulders? Leather Akumai? 8 Agi / 10 Stamina or Baron 3/11 Strengh / Stamina?

[stoic condor]

Question:
I see sometimes my sunders dont stack because something else more powerful is already lowering the targets armor. Does it still count as 5 stacks while attacking with Devestate?

[edgy pier]

Great question

[cinder berry]

ive heard the int dagger off kelris is bis cause its so fast (1.2) but im also seeing stuff saying its not all that good. whats the real deal?

[summer carbon]

Its Priest haemonculi and afaik no

[violet linden]

Is revered better then outlaw sabre for tank?

[summer carbon]

Sidegrade mostly. Id say its better but only marginally and if you cant be arsed to farm WSG rep, its totally fine.

Thou next phase gives lvl40 exalted epics from wsg

[vestal axle]

theyre really close i think sabre is technically slightly better for dps tho.

[summer carbon]

WSG has str and stam so its 3ap (or 2 with hunter) less but a bit more block value and slightly more health. But that 30 health or slightly more threat doesnt matter really

[fluid veldt]

Chipped bite of serra'kis is bis dagger for OH

[tardy lily]

what is BIS PvP Schoulders? Leather Akumai? 8 Agi / 10 Stamina or Baron 3/11 Strengh / Stamina? I think 8 agi > 3 Strengh , 1 stamina and armor.

[summer carbon]

Try Elite Shoulders. +6str/sta and mail

[edgy pier]

Vampiric boot knife off a Kumasi

[fossil ice]

Only 2hander I can get so far has been the trident from bfd. Worth losing sword skill as a human for the damage upgrade anyone know?

Sorry I have smites now

[eternal chasm]

How many debuffs are there that increase our dps?

Homoculus, Sunder, Curse of Reckless and Ferie Fire

thats it?

[summer carbon]

And how many of those stack? Because Haemonculi kicks out Sunder at least

But tank with BS chest adds +2 damage per hit

[eternal chasm]

wait

now i have to do a deeper research

i was thinking everything stacks

on classic

[summer carbon]

Noticed that Sunder just goes "there is more powerful shit at work" when boss had haemonculi debuff

[eternal chasm]

last raid i did was as Dual Wield

so i had some rage to spend on sunders

but i need to double check if my priest used the Homos

[summer carbon]

Strike of Hydra is another that might stack with others

[eternal chasm]

I just wanna make a WA that will track these debuffs that stack

so I can bitch my premades

[summer carbon]

Also does BS chest add +2 damage to every damaging effect? Or just direct and/or physical

[eternal chasm]

No idea how the chest works

[summer carbon]

Oh the chest debuff procs even from misses

Rogues love that shit

Doesnt proc from paladin concsecration

But does work with spells

So likely direct attacks. Thats actually pretty good in raids

[waxen jay]

anyone has a decent talent build to get the most of deep wounds + cruelty when DWing?

since deep wounds is so strong i wanna have it rather than going down the fury tree

[tardy lily]

Elite shoulders can’t be BIS with 6/5. it must be 8 agility and 10 stamina shoulders like tank BiS List. Then 3/11 shoulders from baron and then elite shoulders with 6/5.

[proud spindle]

guys is there a general rule of thumb for str/agi weights for lvl 25? I know it changes with the rest of your gear/stats, but I just want to know the general ballpark. I've read some general vanilla discussion, but I assume that it differs significantly at lvl 25 from lvl 60

[summer carbon]

Well you get much less oomph out of crit% because you lack talents that get use out of them

So str/ap is better

[proud spindle]

that is sort of what I was expecting, but do we have a good idea of how much better? for example im looking at boe shoulders, is 5 str/5 stam or 3 str/6agi better?

[summer carbon]

No idea and it seems hardly anyone does. Probably cause it matters so little at lvl25 kek. But ive personally follow that 1str = 2agi

[ivory stream]

Is dual wield better until you get the Hydra 2h in SoD? Anyone know?

[weary mauve]

Been parsing 95+ with just Fanthomblade

Don't think dual wield is better at this phase

Top logs still using Hydra

[analog nexus]

There's not enough +hit at 25 for dw to be better than 2h

[cinder berry]

doesnt dw beat everything but the epic sword???

[lean tree]

is there a site with better guides than wowhead

[fossil ice]

Trident or smites hammer as human any thoughts?

[ivory stream]

Yeah

I'm asking basically Pre-Bis, obviously the Epic 2h from the Raid is the best but if I don't have that and I'm orc should I just try to go for dual wield axes instead?

[tardy lily]

Fanthomblade is 2nd BiS, also for Orc. orc bonus is only 0,5%hit on lvl25. So 1% hit, slow weapon and aoe dmg is top. You have general less hit, so offhand hits not often and the most of your spells and windfury scales with high weapon dmg. So 2hd weapon is in my opinion preferred. If you are fighting not against bosses and can’t pool 80 rage, with DW you dont have any good leg rune and no good spells because you can’t use quick strike. On paper 2hd weapon should be better in generell.

[slender thunder]

You're completely ignoring HS queue which brings OH miss modifier from 25(or 21 I forget)% to 9% and the fact that current deep wounds is great with dw. You can't openly say 2h is better than dw in general. There are even warriors topping logs for some bosses as dw

[tardy lily]

I mean it’s on bosses on same level, maybe a little bit better and easier to play and more flexible in different situation. Dungeon, farm and PvP. My fail.

[woeful path]

Is there any good SOD food to eat in this level band? all I can find is the stew for stam/spirit

for warr dps

[edgy pier]

Can you elaborate on the HS queue and how it should be utilized?

[uneven pewter]

can someone explain why the following macro doesn't seem to work for raging blow half the time?

/cast Bloodrage
/cast Raging Blow
/startattack

moving startattack to the front or removing it altogether doesn't change anything in terms of the bloodrage>raging blow sequence not working

[modern harness]

yall think leather epic gloves that much better than algae gauntlets?

[flint herald]

that plus your set gear is 2% hit yeah?

[summer carbon]

Very much

But only bitches and paladins wear leather

[summer carbon]

Search up google "wow classic warrior HS cancelling" and you should get plenty of theorycrafting and other facts. DW warrior is pretty complex spec to play

[modern harness]

What about if you’re 2h warr doe

[tawdry reef]

#showtooltip Raging Blow
/startattack
/cast Battle Stance
/cast Bloodrage
/cast Raging Blow

works for me

[uneven pewter]

Aren't we inherently in battlestance?

I'm certainly not in any other

For example, manually pressing bloodrage and then manually pressing raging blow works fine

meaning I didn't ned to do anything regarding battle stance

[tawdry reef]

fool proof for later stages of the game

and i like offensive moves to have battle stance and defencing moves to be in defensive stance

[slender thunder]

#showtooltip Heroic Strike
/startattack
/cast Heroic Strike
/stopcasting

This let's you treat your Heroic Strike like a toggle button, so you have it toggled on to take advantage of the reduced miss on your OH, and if you need to cancel before your swing, you just use it again and then toggle it back on after the swing. This will only work properly if you are using a swing timer WA

[scenic brook]

this is also pretty neat if you play CBR and you have a HS queued but realise you wont hit 80 rage before the swing

[slender thunder]

Yeah CBR is the main reason you'd want to cancel before the swing

Played dw last night with pre-bis weapons and averaged 150dps on fights where the next highest dps wasn't even 100dps. Felt pretty strong. The epic sword dropped and I got, though, so that may be the end of my dw journey this phase except for turtle boss xD

[scenic brook]

I'm gonna try 2h tanking since i got the epic sword last raid.
You guys feel like 2/2 Imp. Overpower and 1/5 Cruelty or 0/2 Imp. Overpower and 3/5 Cruelty is better?

Looking at the logs it seems like 14-2 is taking the lead for 2h tanks

[slender thunder]

I think you need at least 1/2 OP. 2/2 has felt really good, but at least 1 pt

[scenic brook]

1/2 OP would be 14-2 right?

[gloomy gazelle]

I picked up the 2h as well. what build would you run with?

[summer carbon]

All I keep seeing is the epic crossbow and staff

[scenic brook]

CBR, RB and QS - and then either 13-3 / 14-2 or 15-1 (either of those is well represented in the top 100 2h tanks on warcraftlogs)

[raw oak]

Hi, why is leather gloves over epic chest recommended for dps warrior in sod?

[summer carbon]

+hit and using epic chest breaks the 3/3 set which also gives +hit

And gloves have good Use effect

[raw oak]

ok thank yo

[summer carbon]

Thou tonks should use the epic chest. That can add +20dps to the raid which is pretty great from single piece of gear

[timber patio]

algae gauntlet

or LW one?

[willow umbra]

It’s so negligible at this level I’m just wearing the chest. Got my bs started in anticipation of later phases

[woeful path]

Is there any good SOD food to eat in this level band? all I can find is the stew for stam/spirit
for warr dps

[summer carbon]

Nope

[split flame]

Hey was reading through tank messages and saw this recommendation for flag. Is this for tanking in general or just S+B? I'm finally getting around to trying out DW tanking

[solemn elm]

which bfd bosses are immune to bleed?

[forest plume]

first one

what are the best leveling runes

victory/devestate or?

[solemn elm]

talwar/outlaw or talwar/vamp for dual wield?

[formal pond]

what is 2 best race for horde troll or tauren i dont like orc becuse of 50 % reduce healing of blood fury

[flint herald]

This is the truth, the gloves more pump but shouldnt be needed. my only real gripe is that LW get both effortlessly and ours is more suited for a tank role.

[flint herald]

But later when you get your whirlwind axe or w/e the axe specialisation will slap. I went tauren for the stomp and ability to tank as needed

[ashen sun]

i like flaggelation/raging blow in chest, frenzied assault/consumed by rage on legs, victory rush/quick strike, flag/frenzied/victory rush is easier to obtain, the other 3 is harder to get but super good for chain pulling cause you just do alot of burst

and if you keep stacks up of consumed by rage your pretty much a wrecking ball if u got a good 2 hander

[ashen sun]

talwar/vamp

fast offhand is very good

[ashen sun]

depends on what you want, troll is best pve tank, orc is best dps with bloodfury and best in pvp, tauren is a good all rounder, good tank with stomp/stam buff and good in pvp with stomp, tauren also BiS for RP

[willow umbra]

Undead because zombies are cool.

[unique briar]

What’s the best way to hold threat offensive tanking bfd

[robust mica]

Bunch of questions for playing warrior on classic-sod for the first time. Thanks if you can help!
1 - Can switching between targets too often delay or reset my auto attack?
2 - Doe standing behind your target increase hit chance?
3 - Does it matter when I click heroic strike? It just goes to the next attack, so its not like I need to time it right?
4 - It seems like quickstrike is a better use of rage than heroic strike (for 2h).. why would I not just always spam quickstrike instead?

[flint herald]

1. get a swing timer so you can gauge when your attacks going off
2. reduces their chance to avoid so yeah i guess
3. nope press it whenever
4. QS is a far better usage of rage and benifits from any of your talents buffing it. Also you dont get rage from your auto attack when you use HS.

atleast to my understanding

[wooden coyote]

hi what's best in slot helm for SoD warrior? was chatting with someone today that was suggesting the 24 AP leather helm is currently considered best, when i thought it was set helm

[fickle forge]

24 ap without full set imo, full set otherwise

[tacit heath]

would a prot warrior taking talwar over a dps warrior be trolling?

or acceptable if upgrade

[summer carbon]

Not since Devastate scales with weapon damage

[scenic brook]

Does imp. HS reduce the rage cost of QS?

[willow umbra]

Yes

[summer carbon]

All things that affect HS, affect QS

[scenic brook]

Aah that’s neat…I was speced into deflection for 2h tanking, but since our healer is so buffed I might go full blast then

[summer carbon]

Yeah and most things in BFD hit like pussies anyway

Except Kelris who doesnt care anyway

[scenic brook]

This was my setup when running DW Tank and it was a ton of fun:
https://www.wowhead.com/classic/talent-calc/warrior/-05050005001_156vt76vwa6s4

For S+B i was running this setup and it absolutely trucked:
https://www.wowhead.com/classic/talent-calc/warrior/053020003-03_156m976vwa6mg

Next I'm gonna be running 2h tanking with this setup (WiP):
https://www.wowhead.com/classic/talent-calc/warrior/323020103-02_156vt76vwa6vs

[violet linden]

https://discord.gg/VV9caT9T SoD pvp server

[flint herald]

sure does

[timid loom]

trying to use Raging blow in WSG but not able to is this a bug ? Or is it not available in WSG? It lights up during enrage and shows its ready to use just nothing happens when i click it

[alpine wasp]

Tactical Mastery talent isn't useful if you dont change stances right

Last time I played warrior in classic was 3 years ago, but I remember some talent having a hidden feature

[summer carbon]

Not much. I like it so I can swap stance and disarm or taunt+sunder if needed

[split flame]

As always thank you for the details!

[scenic brook]

Happy to help!

[tulip narwhal]

mine works in wsg

[quiet latch]

For SoD can anyone recommend a swing timer that turns red or green if you have HS or Cleave qued up. I've been searching forever and half are super wonky and the other half have warnings/don't work

[pearl veldt]

Comming from rogue to warrior, what abilities do I need to be aware of that resets my swing timer?

[quiet latch]

Things dont really reset your swing timer, but you do have instant swing attacks such as quick strikes, raging blow, sunder, etc. Then u have heroic strike and cleave that will boost the dmg (or attack a 2nd target) of your next 'auto' attack

[pearl veldt]

so basically... why would I care for PvE?

[quiet latch]

about what

[pearl veldt]

knowing my swing timer

[quiet latch]

little things such as not capping rage (its a fine line u walk since you want to drop rage below 80 then get it back above 80 for consumed by rage but you also dont want to be capped at 100 and wasting autos)heroic strike que cancelling for dual weps (but thats super min max)

hamstring kiting

[pearl veldt]

does a instant attack have a chance to proc WF?

[quiet latch]

yes, and also on hit wep effects and enchants like crusader or fiery

[pearl veldt]

so I guess that would mean you want to use your quick strike/mortal strike etc right ater a auto attack so not to "overwrite" the auto attack in case a WF procs, right?

[quiet latch]

no the auto will still go through no mattter when u use an instant

doesnt change the auto timer

[pearl veldt]

ah ok

but.. if a WF resets the auto attack, and a instant attack can proc WF... it would change the auto timer? Or am I missing something

[quiet latch]

you mean windfury/wildstrikes?

[pearl veldt]

yes

so on rogue with sword spec etc you want to SS at the end of your auto swing in case it triggers the sword spec

[quiet latch]

im actually not positive on that im new to WF. ive always played alliance. but if that is the interaction then yes you have the right idea

[pearl veldt]

probably doesn't amtter much with the power creep from runes etc, also, edging the 80 rage AND caring about swing timer etc is going to be near impossible I think

[quiet latch]

lol look up heroic strike que cancelling for dual weild if you really want to strain your brain

[pearl veldt]

It sounds horrible. I will in fact not do that xD

fun fact: I've done 10 Deadmines run now on my warrior. I've seen the hamemr drop 0 times, and the cape 0 times. My luck..

[quiet latch]

hahaah ya i did it in HC and it def took a while to get used to. even then its difficult to do it really well all the time

i bought black malice and its prolly not as good as hammer, but its def better than it used to be bc of the on hit effect and the fact that warrs have more instant attacks to proc it. it procs a lot mroe now than it did in HC

and its like 3g, or atleast was

[pearl veldt]

ah ok. I have dual cruel barb, so I guess I'll just use that, or barb + meteor dagger if I get it.

[quiet latch]

ya u def want a super fast OH wep for deep wound is what ive been hearing. I guess the deep wound can keep stacking or something. Someone was telling me that the caster OH from kelris and 1h from bfd are BiS, better than epic 2h

[pearl veldt]

I saw Guzu do 242 dps on a boss in BFD

with green daggers

[ashen sun]

how does wft/wild strikes work if you have a heroic strike qued

abilities can proc wft/wild strikes so im assuming it just uses the heroic strike and resets the auto timer?

classic can be weird tho

oh that guy just asked it pretty much lmao

[slender thunder]

His OH was a green dagger, MH was outlaw sabre

[pearl veldt]

Correct! I remembered incorrectly

[pearl veldt]

Here in p1, i assume the deep wounds talent build will be fine for tanking too, right? Afaik you dont really need defensive talents yet

[scenic brook]

Correct

[pearl veldt]

would 2h be better until I get some decent 1hs? I have 2x Cruel barb, but not sure if it's better than smites hammer atm.

[scenic brook]

Most likely yes (though both is very viable). The beauty is that you can play whatever you like more

[pearl veldt]

awesome!

[scenic brook]

But if you wanna tank 1h+shield with arms spec and devastate is the way to go

[pearl veldt]

I'm sure that here while still gathering my pre raid bis stuff, a feral druid and my 2h is the play

yeah that's the plan. But for DM etc you don't really need a shield, or a tank for that matter :)

[scenic brook]

Yeah sure - I’m talking raid here and specifically single target 🙂

[pearl veldt]

what other runes would you be using for tanking? Devastate, furious thunder, blood frenzy?

[scenic brook]

This

[pearl veldt]

thank you

with 2h, say I'm at 100 rage, what's my go-to to drop below 80? queue a heroic strike and a quick strike?

[scenic brook]

Sure thing. The fury spec for DW might be outdated though - didn’t followup on that

[scenic brook]

Sounds about right

[untold matrix]

SoD warrior feels so rough tanking

[pearl veldt]

you should try rogue :S xD

[untold matrix]

I wanna

I have a feeling they'd have an easier time with threat cause I bet their threat modifier is stronger than d-stance

[pearl veldt]

ohyeah single target it's amazing, but tab targeting sucks with combo points :)

[untold matrix]

Indeed but can't be worse than spreading rend and praying you can keep aggro on everything

[pearl veldt]

I play both. I think rogue feels worse in AoE

[untold matrix]

I've only tanked as shaman, lock, and warrior so far, lock kinda sucks having to spam a 1.5s gcd but it's effective

Warrior is pain though

The thunderstomp rune really should have buffed the threat gen of it in dstance.

[summer carbon]

Stop using rend as a tank

You basically just hand out Sunders like they are free candy

[tardy lily]

First time done over 200dps at akumai with fanthomblade.

[dusk hornet]

Genuine question, why stop using rend? I've been MT'ing 1h+shield until tonight where I'm going 2h, with deep wounds+cruelty spec. My thinking on runes was blood frenzy, quick strike, and furious thunder on trash - TC on cd, spread a few rends, and sunders/QS. Bosses i'd swap thunder to consumed by rage. Is this not the best way for BFD right now?

[fossil ice]

I’m jelly I can’t get any 2handers to drop hahah still using smite but parsing in the 90s now so having a blast

[dusk hornet]

I have Fathomblade, not Deadly Strike (for now)

[fossil ice]

Man I want fathom so bad keep seeing the ring and a neck or cloak

[summer carbon]

Because rend does fuck-all threat nor damage

More or less only Sunders do good amount of threat. Thunderclap can be okay in packs of small shitterslings but it still does only meager amount compared to Sundeer

[fossil ice]

Anyone know how these kids are doing 100 percent parses on first boss with like 900dps in the first like second of the fight some kinda cheese? They have a few melees for like 2k dmg doesn’t make sense

[dusk hornet]

But I mean for the rage gen - which = more sunders and more threat

[summer carbon]

Its net gain of 2 rage per 12s

Costs 10, gains 12

[safe sandal]

devastate rune with talwar is pretty nuts im finding

rend def not worth it except if youre capping rage which you shouldnt be much

[summer carbon]

And if you are you just sunder on every global and HS/Cleave

[untold matrix]

Next time I'll try more sunder. I didn't lose threat that much but felt like hell trying to also keep up tc and demoralizing to lower damage I took.

[summer carbon]

You dont need to do that

TC and demo to min damage, thats healers job to keep you up

[echo summit]

whats the top weps outside raid drops for the new dagger deep wounds spec?

[untold matrix]

Outside of raid? Meteor shard from SFK probably

[snow iris]

A litte odd question but.. I rolled alc/herb on my warrior alt w/o thinking of the epic crafted items but did go BS on my pally and started the quest chain 2 day but after looking on Wowhead they have the LW gloves as BiS for both pally and warrior. I have 2 set from BFD (chest and boots) so now im not sure its worth crafting the epic chest for my pally and just give the shinning silver breastplate to my warrior instead and call it a day. Thoughts? 🙂

[safe sandal]

Seems fine you don’t need bis when the content is ez

[robust yacht]

Is there a sod warrior disc server?

Or is this it?

[ancient escarp]

I was watching some SoD warrior videos and I've noticed - they all start fights with full rage. What's up with that? How do I do that?

[untold matrix]

might be the rage talents, anger management

[ancient escarp]

I'll see to it thanks!

Not it, that's from WoD

[untold matrix]

https://www.wowhead.com/classic/spell=12296/anger-management

nah, it's classic

[ancient escarp]

my bad, was looking at a different anger management talent than