vanilla-discussion

[grand rain]

it is one of the most fleshed out classes forsure

infinite rage glitch

no avoidance(pretty much) nearly full dps gear proccing enrage because not crit immune

fury prot FUX

[neon spade]

yer but its spam sunder or blood thirst

[grand rain]

heowoic stwike

hey but also hitting 2k+ bloodthirsts with a shield on is kinda sick also

but i do like the OG feel of deep prot also v iconic and archetypical sword+board feeling

[neon spade]

its more fun to me because u are managing rage spells across 3 stances etc etc

fury prot just

[grand rain]

https://tenor.com/view/goodnight-sleep-goodnight-meme-goodnight-bro-minecraft-gif-21455562

[lone kelp]

anyone knows waht this addon is calleD?

[neon spade]

xperal

or a weak aura

for the rage bar

[eternal chasm]

yo

what runes should I level with?

friends helped me get Consumed by Rage

but i dont think thats good for leveling

[summer carbon]

If you play 2h, Blood Frenzy, Frenzied Assault and Quick Strike are pretty solid

[eternal chasm]

aight

[warm bramble]

is 2h far behind dual wield?

[eternal chasm]

its ahead

[warm bramble]

oh

[eternal chasm]

DW on lvl 25 is a kekw

[warm bramble]

quick strike or victory rush on 2h then?

[eternal chasm]

i feel like

even tho this guy says Quick Strike

Victory Rush does better damage on low levels

when you are chain pulling

[summer carbon]

Yeah if you kill something quick enough

And can continue to chainpull

[eternal chasm]

quick strike is more consistent tho

cba swapping

:d

[lone kelp]

tyty man

[weary mauve]

The difference isn’t that big then, I did 115 on Kelris last night at 2h

But it’s a level 25 raid, who cares as long as everyone’s above 70+ DPS average everything is dying anyway

[neon spade]

literally why i dont understand why ppl are asking whats best

XD

just play what u like

i said it earlier im just playing what i enjoy

because its not supposed to matter

[weary mauve]

Yeah it only matters if you’re struggling to get past that like “acceptable DPS” breakpoint

Which is mostly just gear and tunes

[neon spade]

but lets all agree the turtle boss

is horrendous

i mean u hit 70% with the hit stones tbh

[opal saffron]

Most players can't function without being the meta build for a class

also yes fuck Turtle boss

[weary mauve]

I don’t like the first boss either cause nobody jumps into the water with the debuff so it’s just a fucking swim race

[neon spade]

eh thats whatever

but a boss just designed to ahve that much armour

and an absorb bubble

[opal saffron]

I loooooove not having rage

and then taking an age to get to 80 rage

and then boss goes immune

[neon spade]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/832390254895300648.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[weary mauve]

Last two bosses are well designed

Although blows my mind how people can get hit everytime by Aku”Mai breath

[neon spade]

yes

also blows my mind ppl cant stack/spread on kelris so the chain doesnt spread

but its classic after all

good standard of bosses for the difficulty level i think

[opal saffron]

Kelris a bit too hard for classic Andy's

[neon spade]

i think its more a gear issue

and lack on knowledge

like its really easy

2nd highest on threat gets mind blasted at the end

and shadow pots can just win the fight

but yer true, not many classic andies are used to being approriately geared for content

[weary mauve]

Yeah like raid-wise shadow pot just trivializes that last phase. Kelris is just a gear check, if you go in there with a geared group he gets smacked

He’s the “gear/DPS check “wall” of this tier

[obsidian fox]

is Coral Reef Axe better then Ancient War Sword for Human Arms?

[summer carbon]

Probably not due human bonus and 9str

[summer carbon]

...Holy shit. I'm Orc and Killmaim usually goes 25-45g on our server

Just checked for giggles and... someone sold it for 5g

[fickle junco]

Are warriors relegated to DPS, or warrior tanks still okay? In the world of Warlocks and Rogues and Shamans if you're horde

[summer carbon]

Warriors are just fine. And remember that we are talking about lvl25 content here

[tardy lily]

Is killmaim pre bis for orc arms or brutal act with Strengh?

[fickle junco]

Well yeah, I doubt it'd be hard either way. Just don't want a hard time pugging BFD

Aka getting into one

[limber sorrel]

is Black Malice from SFK any good?

[strange gorge]

no

unless you have literally nothing else

[limber sorrel]

what 2h should i aim for? or is DW better?

[velvet seal]

The hammer* from deadmines is good. The staffs from WC boss or quest is fine and easy. I think 2h is fine and good

[twin oriole]

i want to swap to dw off 2h only because i hate waiting so long to get 80 rage

[desert bough]

Can anyone confirm for the Blood Frenzy rune if multiple applications of rend will provide you 3 rage each?

[unborn blaze]

They do.

[desert bough]

Thank you!

[proven pine]

What does it mean when the quick strike tooltip says it triggers and benefits from heroic strike effects

[gloomy orchid]

finally got to test my build with world buffs

99 parsed on lorgus and 98 parse on kelris, so hyped

[echo summit]

lemme see

[gloomy orchid]

the build?

[echo summit]

i wanna see your gear/spec/runes

yeeee

[gloomy orchid]

k

sec

spec : https://www.wowhead.com/classic/talent-calc/warrior/-050500051_156vt76vwa6s4
gear : https://sixtyupgrades.com/sod/set/vkQs3QcGSuUTp3yKHCtN9v

[echo summit]

oo I like it with no HS, i barely use mine

was wondering if the 1 pt in DW was worth it,, seems t be

[gloomy orchid]

when I was running sims it was

yeah I only use heroic strike for rage dump

to get myself below 80

[echo summit]

what sim werer you using? ii couldnt find one I liked

[gloomy orchid]

its a lot of hamstring

guybrush works for me

[echo summit]

dope thanks

really not liking 2h but I am 1k rep from SMF and I want the motivation to finish the grind lol

guess I need to finish wsg rep and smf now

barb being slower OH isnt a problem? You want prospector MH for dmg yeah

[gloomy orchid]

yeah tbh I was just using barb because I got revered with sentinels right before raid and didnt have time to level WS

but it wasnt that big of a deal it made it easy to heroic strike queue

swapping to revered dagger off hand

[echo summit]

daggerr overr cleaver?

[gloomy orchid]

im about to sim to figure out what best off hand is im not really sure tbh

[echo summit]

i look forward to mooching off your results ❤️

[gloomy orchid]

xD

cleaver and dagger are pretty much even

dagger is .10 more dps lol

[vapid gulch]

does this disc have SOD roles?

[keen zealot]

What runes and talents are people using for pvp?

[willow forge]

anyone have a good Duel Wielding talent set up?

[charred lily]

is this also the SoD discussion room?

[wise barn]

What are people running for 2h build ? see a couple different builds

[summer carbon]

Good question. It seems Killmaims proc does get affected by Blood Frenzy so it might be slightly better

[gloomy orchid]

https://www.wowhead.com/classic/talent-calc/warrior/-050500051_156vt76vwa6s4

[storm quest]

Quick question for prot warrior does it get any better at 25

In sod

[grave thicket]

I run quick strike, raging blow and consumed by rage, feels good and is alot of fun

[wise barn]

what talents you runnin for that? askin for a homie

[grave thicket]

And 5 points in cruelty

[wise barn]

ooo nice thank you

[summer carbon]

First BFD raid for me today and I'm likely only mail and 2h user around. Fingers crossed

The loot table is looking pretty... maily :D

[summer carbon]

Also: weapon effects that cause bleeding proc rage from Blood Frenzy. Its funny with upgrading from WC int stick to Killmaim as orc, I went from being rage starved vs 25lvl mobs to having to use HS to ragedump my excess rage because QS doesnt cut it

[kindred hedge]

Hey, I just hit 25 and I'm not sure if I should be chasing a 2H or what.
I will mainly be tanking but will also be partaking in PVP here and there.
Any tips for what weapon I should be going after? I can only find DPS guides on YT

[pseudo galleon]

BFD raid or wsg rep.

I just bought bloodpike for like 8g at first.

[summer carbon]

Yeah slow 2h for pvp (there are 3 good options from BFD), fast mainhand for tanking. SFK drops axe for orcs, dagger for others. Also good shield

[kindred hedge]

ty!

[kindred hedge]

Thanks! I appreciate it 😄

[summer carbon]

Basically even in your BiS-gear, you will look like an average "princess huhuran resistance set enjoyr"-clown

A lot of best pieces are greens. Like shoulders

[kindred hedge]

This is great to know, thanks again 😄

[summer carbon]

Also good place to start your tonking gear is your warrior quest. The chestpiece has most stamine, the helm is pre-bis and other pieces too have good amount of stamina

[long wasp]

Hey everyone! Relatively new to warrior as a general and started playing one for SoD. Level 25 full prot warrior atm and full cleared BFD 2 days ago and got the 2h (not the epic one) because no one else needed it. Now my shield and sword which I usually use are very bad by now as I have been unlucky in Deadmines 😄 I read and heard on some videos that you can easily full tank with a 2hander and switch from full prot to arms/fury but I struggle to find resources for that. I want to find a balance so that I can also go on and solo farm quests and mobs for items, which gets pretty hard with the sword/shield right now. Any tips?

[summer carbon]

Also if you are horde: enjoy the Hellmines of Hillsbrad lol

[kindred hedge]

Awesome!

[kindred hedge]

haha its insane!

[tacit aspen]

Is is possible to tank BFD as prot? Anyone here do it?

[summer carbon]

Of course

[tacit aspen]

With 1H and Shield?

[summer carbon]

Yeah

[dark coyote]

YES

[tacit aspen]

Tanking my first BFD with the guild tonight. Was hoping you’d guys say that as I am deep prot atm

[summer carbon]

Yeah should be no problem if you know the fights, have prebis enough gear and know how to play prot

[tacit aspen]

I have so much pre bis it’s insane

I think I have every possible piece to get minus the WSG neck

Just a little unsure about holding threat. Any recommendations for rotation tips / runes to help?

[summer carbon]

Devastate should be your go-to

If you can press Sunder on GCD, the mobs gonna stick to you hard

[tacit aspen]

I was thinking Devastate / Furious Thunder / Raging Blow

Or swap RB for Flagellation (I do not have Warbringer)

[long wasp]

furious thunder is pretty irrelevant in the raid

other two options are better, especially consumed by rage

[scenic brook]

Hey guys - fury tank looking for some second opinions on my setup:
Spec: https://www.wowhead.com/classic/talent-calc/warrior/-05053020001_156vt76vwa6mc
Gear: https://sixtyupgrades.com/sod/set/srCiEV8ZzzEmuigCTyCFjg

My rotation on bosses normally looks something like this:
Charge > Bloodrage > RB > Sunder x5 > Maintain Rend > pool 80 rage and use RB + sunder / HS to dump

Would love to hear your feedback!
Inspired by @gloomy orchid

[tacit aspen]

Thanks Joshy I’ll try it out

[long wasp]

Looks cool, thats what I was asking about earlier! Looking to switch to fury tanking hehe. Are you playing mostly in battle stance then? Does that work for you with threat?

[scenic brook]

Pretty much exclusively battle stance

[tacit aspen]

How is the rage gen / threat hold on that build @scenic brook

[long wasp]

Rage gen with raging blow via bloodrage, gives you a lot of rage depending on your weapon

[tacit aspen]

What issues do you feel like you are facing with a build like that?

[scenic brook]

Pretty good actually
The start can feel a bit off because i would love to pool but as everyone is (rightfully so) blasting at start i have to spam sunders and try to keep up
Once you hit that 80 rage afterwards you are unstoppable in regards to threat and rage gen

[long wasp]

Looks good. Only things I would change would be the cleave and bloodcraze talents. But if you need that for non raid farming all good

And maybe get a good 2hander to swap out the 1h weapons

[tacit aspen]

Do you find yourself slapping a shield on and poppin into def stance for any bosses? Or are your healers fine

[scenic brook]

nah not really

[scenic brook]

yeah i was thinking about that but i found that imp cleave is pretty nice for trash or like elementals on final boss and murlocs before lorgus. But guess I'll try swapping to im. shout(?)

[long wasp]

I'm putting the points in shout because I am the only warri in our raid group. But there isn't a lot of alternatives as you want Enrage and need the 5 points for it 😄

And the trash shouldn't be tank concern 😛

[scenic brook]

fair enough haha

[scenic brook]

gonna roll with that - thx!

[long wasp]

But yea will try this tomorrow in the raid. Will exchange endless rage with quick strike tho

[scenic brook]

yeah my rationale behind endless rage was that this way i can hit the 80 rage sooner
but im still not 100% convinced

[long wasp]

Yea.. I think with RB, WF & Overpower procs and getting hit from the boss aswell you will generate enough rage for it

I'm also not 100% convinved on QS, as it would only be the rage spendor after all sunders are stacked and you get towards 100 rage

[scenic brook]

I love the DW playstyle so im not gonna go with QS and the SMF grind is just killing me so I guess I'll stick with that for now...dont see the point in going with devastate tbh

[long wasp]

devestate requiring defensive stance is a small turnoff yea...but with the raid 1h it deals a lot of damage

especially with CBR active

[scenic brook]

oh jeez I just realised you need def stance + shield for devastate lol
Thats a no

So I'm guessing my options are staying with Endless Rage or grinding myself to dust for SMF

[long wasp]

In your case for your yes

I'm bound to 2h as I got the Fathomblade last raid and my 1hander alternatives are green crap

[scenic brook]

Aight thx a ton man - it's really nice having someone to bounce ideas off!

[long wasp]

Same to you! ✌️

[summer carbon]

If some people were wondering about this: druid buff is temp weapon buff

[neat glen]

Making a warrior alt had a few questions if anyone has time. I plan to go 2 hander, do we opt for slower or faster 2h’s and whats the best horde race for warrior? I’m assuming str/agi is bis stats.

[flat shell]

https://www.wowhead.com/classic/guide/season-of-discovery/classes/warrior/dps-overview

wowhead has a pretty decent guide, I'd check that out as the answers to your question will depend on a number of things like PVE/PVP, tank vs dps, etc

[neat glen]

thanks brother

Was referring to PvE for the record

[lethal bobcat]

What are your guys’ opinion on these weapons? Got them both last night and not sure which to use for PvE as a human warrior? https://www.wowhead.com/classic/item=209564/guardians-trident

https://www.wowhead.com/classic/item=204807/fathomblade

I really like the added hit chance from the sword but no stats irks me.

[livid granite]

Fathomblade is better lol

Fathomblade is def better

[lethal bobcat]

Got it, thanks

[livid granite]

It just does a lot of dmg especially with 2h arms and wild strikes and the hit on top is just good

The aoe proc is super good too

Also if you’re a human you get to utilize your racial on Fathomblade for the +5 skill

[shadow maple]

anyone try fury pvp? with SMF, CBR, and RB ?

[spiral jay]

fathomblade no contest

[plush lichen]

whats the best 2h pvp talent set up?

[wanton carbon]

Are we still able to tank with 2H? Or devastate is just too good

[fringe grove]

how much of a difference is the void touched leather gloves for dps compared to algae gauntlets/warsong gauntlets? just wondering since it's -10 strength, is the equip and use effect that good?

[spiral jay]

the activate is nice but its mostly the hit that gives it value

[dark swift]

If I play dual wield one hand, do I want diff speed on my wep? Or do I want the fastest I can get? I wanna level with dual wield from 20 to 25 for fun

[lethal bobcat]

Question for those of you running cbr and rb and a 2h in raid. When you are in that sweet spot of rage pool 60-85 and the boss is low enough health to start using execute what do you do at this point? Since execute will drain all of your rage? Are we smashing execute and no longer pooling rage to proc enrage?

[fringe grove]

maybe use it at the very end of a fight but apart from that it's 100% a trap ability if you're running cbr + rb, you lose enrage uptime p badly and the dmg per rage of execute is horrible past 15 rage

[spark shuttle]

Optimally you have three piece set for the hit so you can’t use crafted chest

[spark shuttle]

I use as the very last global if I know the fight won’t last long enough to pool another 80 rage, or I have bloodrage + rage pot up

[spark shuttle]

Warbringer, Quick Strike, FA most likely

[lethal bobcat]

Thanks for the replies guys

[plush lichen]

yeah i got the jist of the rune but i was wondering the actual talent points for pvp

[neon spade]

yer fuck getting warbringer tho

giga cba

[lethal bobcat]

Getting warbringer is sucking. Dark iron farm blows. I’m making the shredder harvesters with my engineering but I haven’t even started the fish oil grind. It’s an absolute must in pvp tho

[neon spade]

good thing i dont pvp then

[spark shuttle]

I just bought everything in the AH

🙂

Only rune I’m missing is flagellation and don’t really care about it, so I’m good

[neon spade]

yes im not spending that gold on a rune im never going to use

[echo summit]

just quest for gold and buy the mats

have anyone simmed this yet? good damage and speed proc might slap

[spark shuttle]

• serakiss dagger are your bis for dw

[unkempt dagger]

That is a nasty main hand

[split flame]

Fish oil is cheap on the AH
Dark iron farm was tedious but found a raid and did it in about an hour, little more maybe - Took me 25 salvagers to get 17 shredders btw as a reference

All that and I still suck in PvP lol. At least I can peel a little better

[lethal bobcat]

@split flame so one salvager won’t guarantee a core from the shredder?

I don’t know you could buy the ordinances until after I farmed them already

[echo summit]

you can buy all the pieces

and yes, speculated that engis have a higher % but not confirmed. My buddy went 16/41

[split flame]

Correct. It’s a pretty high percentage tho

[shadow maple]

anyone try pvping dual wield yet? raging blow, SMF, and CBR?

[spiral jay]

feels really bad playing without warbringer

[wanton sun]

Which talent generates more threat, cruelty or defiance?

[small helm]

what do u farm for gear to be prepared for bfd

just sfk?

[shadow maple]

anyone know a good way to farm waylaid crates?

[willow forge]

what is your aoe rotation?

[spark shuttle]

Right now cruelty don’t think warriors have much trouble with threat right now

[scenic brook]

Charge + Bloodrage > RB prio mob > 1-2x Sunder per mob > Thunderclap once > rend on all targets > cleave

[willow forge]

so you only worry about pooling 80 rage in single correct?

[scenic brook]

I find that when tanking aoe (specifically talking about raid here!) the rage gen is so juiced i always can either RB through Enrage or by surpassing 80 rage without trying

When tanking dungeons i would pool on the first mobs and just chain pull + use Bloodrage to keep rage up while casters are drinking

[willow forge]

got it

[willow forge]

is there a reason you run meteor dagger?

[scenic brook]

Nope. Don’t have a feasible alternative to test different weapon speeds. Can’t be bothered to run dm as horde for barb so I’m just waiting/hoping for a drop in raid soon

[lone kelp]

Can form that the 2h, cbr,rb,qs is based af.

I am not a good wow player at all but still dropped 173 dps on kelris, which is not overly impressive but since I have played not even 2 weeks of wow in my life I can say that it will work for most people

was with fathom as well so hydra not even needed

[flint herald]

Without blood frenzy do you even bother with Rend or just quick/rage/heroic if needed?

[lone kelp]

I only really do rend vs the turtle boss

otherwise I don't really use anything till I get 80 rage, aside from RB, BE and BS

rend does too little imo

could be angle for overpower though

[opal saffron]

I ran around the gnolls area in Redridge just north of Lakeshire

like 5/6 chest spawns and lots of gnolls to slaughter

[neon spade]

furbogs in cave north middle of ashenvale

4 chest spawn spots

and they have a high chance

to drop

[hexed cipher]

which talent distribution for and arms docused build would you guys prefer? https://www.warcrafttavern.com/wow-classic/tools/talent-calculator/warrior#?t=A0002224411aaa881 or https://www.warcrafttavern.com/wow-classic/tools/talent-calculator/warrior#?t=trueB22222A0002244255a or https://www.warcrafttavern.com/wow-classic/tools/talent-calculator/warrior#?t=trueA00011555559B22222

[summer carbon]

God I have no idea where to even begin how to calculate how good Killmaim (as orc) is with Blood Frenzy vs other weapons

I'm guessing BFD weapon still beat it but damn that extra rage is nice

[summer carbon]

Okay weird idea: dualwield the bleedproc daggers till they proc and then swap to your other weapon for extra rage for 1min :D

[opal saffron]

that means you're using blood frenzy and not flag crinj

[soft kayak]

short question: Flagellation or Raging Blow in Chest?

[thin swallow]

Raging Blow seems to be the play

[spark shuttle]

3/3 deep wounds instead of deep fury has felt really good as DW

RB > Flagellation

[soft kayak]

merci, just got all the runes now and just testing around

i assume Raging Blow + Consumed by rage + Quick strike is the way to go almost all the time in PvE

[soft kayak]

https://www.warcrafttavern.com/wow-classic/tools/talent-calculator/warrior#?t=A0002224411aaa88B2 im doing that

[thin swallow]

personally i think having rage when swapping into D stance has more utility than 2% parry but i run everything similar to that

[charred kettle]

Quick Strike > Single-Minded Fury?

[summer carbon]

Cant even compare

One is for 2h, one is DW

[charred kettle]

didn't even realize.

so Flagellation vs. Raging Blow when dual wielding?

I guess most are running Raging Blow

[summer carbon]

Raging with consumed by rage

[charred kettle]

thanks

[split flame]

hows is DW working for people. I see it recommended on a ton of guides and BIS lists but I'm getting really good results from 2h with RB, CBR, QS

[neon spade]

works fine for me

[hexed cipher]

That looks good. Never can decide if 5% crit or the bleed of deep wounds and 50% crit on overpower is the way…
But gonna use your spread this evening in the raid.

[final field]

For DW, you'll need the epic LW hit% gloves, and also BFD 3/3 set with hit%, and even after DW is just slightly better

[hexed cipher]

2H is quite a fun rotation for me with raging blow and Quick Strike bouncing around the 80 rage border.
Fun might not be the best metric, but it definitely breaks the 100dps easily so there is also that. Definitely enough for BfD.

[summer carbon]

Thou you can get 2% from your offhand

[final field]

Yes youll need that too

So, I would say not worth the effort for such marginal difference

[hexed cipher]

Really? 2% is the only difference? Thought it was much bigger… definitely using 2H than. So much cooler looking 😂

[summer carbon]

Nah not 2%, i meant t he blackfathom weapon thingie that gives 2% hit

You can use that in your offhand

[final field]

And for orcs, I would say you wont get DW better than 2h, because of the racial weapon skill, since we're lacking top end 1h axes

[summer carbon]

Its a pain to choose between sword, axe or The Sword

Then again. The axe is probably only good for orc warriors

So thats something

[final field]

But as conclusion,
DW human warrior, with epic LW hit% gloves, 3/3 set bonus and with 2% sharpening stone on offhand is the best, but then again only marginally

Edit. With swords obviously

[scenic brook]

I think it’s pretty great that both is viable. You can’t really go wrong this phase

[hexed cipher]

That is definitely what I appreciate! I just hope that Titangrip is not what is coming… somehow I get the feeling that would be what everything would be all about.

[split flame]

Thanks all. Sounds like you put a TON of effort into making DW only marginally better than 2h. I'm enjoying 2h so I'll stick with it for phase 1.

[final field]

You have to go basically with your racial bonus, since we're lacking hit gear atm

Only difference would be the epic sword from Akumai; thats BIS even for orcs since the dps on it is just so high

[summer carbon]

The 2h sword gives +1 hit

[final field]

Fathomblade? Yes, I know

[summer carbon]

Yeah. Thats why I'm not sure if Axe is better for Orcs anyway

Aint 5 weaponskill and +1% hit kinda on same

[final field]

Well, its there and there. Without racial bonus, you'll need 9% hit for yellow hits not to miss. With racial bonus, you'll need 6% hit. With that sword, it would put you somewhere around 8% miss chance

But if your previous axe as an orc is low lvl greenie, ofc you should go with that sword

I personally feel like all of these are really minor things at the moment, and don't really make big difference

[summer carbon]

I actually have Killmaim

And holy shit it rocks with Blood Frenzy

Its a feeling when you QS on global and you still have to HS every now and then to dump rage

[split flame]

Did you farm it or buy it? curious what its going for, looks pretty good especially for orc racial

[summer carbon]

Buy. Some idiot put it up for 5g lol

Fucking fastest outbuy ever

[split flame]

Sheesh i gotta camp the AH

[summer carbon]

But yeah it seems to rock

The Rend buff lasting 1min, ticking every 3s is so good

Imagine weapon having Chance On Hit: Debuffs the enemy, giving you 1 rage per second lol

Im kinda wondering if the dagger debuffs are their own ones and stack

I presume they are own but they dont stack if you DW them

I like the idea of dual wielding them, getting the proc(s?), swapping to Killmaim, getting the proc too

So that would be 4 rage per second

[jovial grove]

I already got Night Reaver you think Killmaim is so good to buy it 🤔 or just wait for raid swords/axe

[weary mauve]

Fanthomblade is just straight up better than Killmaim and Strike of the Hydra is better than everything

And seeing as it comes off the first boss, unless you have gold to spare or can get it cheap, I would just farm Fanthomblade

[summer carbon]

Like if you get it cheap, do it

[silent oriole]

i have arrived

[summer carbon]

gz

[woven wadi]

Hey guys, I am about to tank BFD for the first time today. Are people recommending leaning towards the full prot build or am I alright to stay as the aeo dungeon build?

[neon spade]

i tanked it with a fury build

its fine press sunder

ggs

[woven wadi]

Thats what I thought

[proud compass]

I'm finding that it's more difficult to hold threat. I have tanked a lot in regular vanilla/classic but it seems that other classes are generating more threat while we have remained relatively the same. Am I doing something wrong?

[neon spade]

probably doing somthing wrong but hard to tell 🤷

[split flame]

whats the AOE dungeon build?

[woven wadi]

Is this while tanking dungeons?

just a few points in Arms for improved thunderfury, improved rend

you just spam rend on targets and get free rag

non-stop rage

with the blood frenzy rune

and with one point in deep wounds

[proud compass]

yar! I was tanking wc and sfk using the ol' 2h approach. I am not spec'd that way tho. I'll try that. ty

[woven wadi]

oh yeh, the runes make a huge difference

I was having the same problem

Blood Frenzy, Endless rage with a 2H

[proud compass]

I dropped down into impale. I'll put those into tc and see how that performs.

[opaque creek]

do i ever use execute lol?

[opal saffron]

I use it as the boss drops to around 1-1.5k hp left

hoping for a 1k crit

[summer carbon]

I always spam it when boss drops low enough. But thats the perks of Blood Frenzy

[shadow maple]

i just hit corporal today on reset and i had 5.2k honor earned that week

so I need 6k more this week for sergeant ??

[silent oriole]

no

you need 11.25k inside of one week

[silent oriole]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/wow-classic-era-1144-pvp-ranking-update-examples/1656142

[shadow maple]

not gonna lie this is mad confusing lol

but ill take your word for it

[silent oriole]

the 5000 honor you need inside of a week

equals about 11.5k honor

because of the way they convert everything to "cp"'s

so just get 11.5k honor

[shadow maple]

kk ty

[ebon wind]

whats the fastest way to bring wsg rep up?

[spark shuttle]

Ashenvale event till revered

[ashen sun]

Why even get a tank SMH, just get a hunter pet with 3k hp and 2k armor with abunch of magic resistances zzzzz

Wind serpents so gross

[broken condor]

Any good resources/videos on tanking builds/rotations/runes?

[weary mauve]

I feel like the difference between the epic crafted gloves vs the chest isn't big enough to invest in LW for when i already have 100+ Bs

[split flame]

Are the LW gloves also BIS for 2h since the BFD set needs the chest slot?

[weary mauve]

Yeah, supposedly. I just don't know how much better they are than the chest. The chest also increases the damage the targets takes from all sources on a 25% chance proc rate.

blacksmithing is really useful in later phases though, so im not sure its worth learning 100LW rn just for the gloves that are marginally better

[split flame]

yeah im wondering the same. if i go LW, then i expect ill have to drop it for BS later on. 135 for the gloves is pretty cheap tho

[weary mauve]

the chest says damage from all sources

if that means other players, then its definitley a better piece to have for the raid overall than the gloves

and seeing as warrios are the only mail users rn, you're esentially bringing a buff

[split flame]

its disappointing that it shares a slot with the BFD set

[neon spade]

only mail users on the horder side

[weary mauve]

Yeah, im Horde

the gloves with zero strength is kind of a yikes too

[neon spade]

i dunno im not taking this as serious as u guys, i cba with crafting something like that, SoD is about having fun not chasing meta and stuff

but id go gloves more hit % overall

[split flame]

this is fun for some people tho

and its not that hard to craft. just need to have 100 in the profession and then do a quest chain

[neon spade]

fun for some sure

[split flame]

none of it is RNG thankfully

[neon spade]

but the problem is it filters down to everyone else

like i cant wait fro the day im told im not geared enough to do the raid even tho ive cleared is every time

and seem to do the same damage as ppl with the WB

when i dont have it

will be good fun

[split flame]

yeah people are dumb, i cleared the raid with a bunch of morons last week you dont need that much gear lol

The morons being my friends and I’m one of them btw 😜

[high herald]

so what talent builds is everyone running fo r war dps? I'm seemingly havng issues generating threat with the wowhead build so raging blow is delayed in dungeons

[neon spade]

u shouldnt be running raging as a tank

[high herald]

i did specify "for war dps"

[neon spade]

but u also said your having issues generating threat

u shouldnt be trying to do that as a dps

[high herald]

i digress, i just reread what i said lmfao. i meant "generate rage"

[neon spade]

i mean u just need to not press buttons and hope u land hits

for rage

stand behind mobs

that literally all u can do

[soft kayak]

Get rage potions + Brutal armor (1h cd though) + bloodrage should be enough for every boss encounter.

World farming is crucial to us bloodrage to safe your rage through healing etc.

Staring with 0 rage is boring, but it usually takes only some hits to get to 80

[ebon wind]

guys can I anyhow see if I still have a id for BFD?

[split flame]

and if you get a druid with wild strikes in your party that 80 rage shows up quicker than you think

[summer carbon]

Ferals are my new best friends

Fucking hell they push 2H dps into the moon

[barren parrot]

About to craft epic chest or those glowes. Glowes are only goods for that 1% hit With the 3/3 set? Theyre stats serms fairly bad

[neon spade]

nah increased AA speed is big

as well

[barren parrot]

Okey ty

[twin oriole]

isnt that only when your hit

[summer carbon]

Unless they do something to the gloves, they gonna scale very well to later levels

[split flame]

No strength on the gloves doesn’t feel great but an attack that hits does more damage than one that misses so I’m hoping hit% is the way

[wooden yoke]

with 2h, consumed by rage, raging blow and quick strike do i go 3/3 deep wounds, and 1/2 imp OP? 2/2 imp OP? or 5/5 cruelty

[quaint cypress]

can some1 share competitive dw build?

[tardy lily]

Depends play style. I like 5 point cruelty more.

Is it true that blackfathom stone not works together with windfury?

[wooden yoke]

historically, they wouldnt. i have no idea if theyve patched that

[neon spade]

this is what i run i seem to do fine

[quaint cypress]

thanks man! are you using SMF, RB, CBH?

[neon spade]

not the runes im running are right there on my gear

kelris today 'i dont have WBs '

jett

aku

the build seems to be fine

[quaint cypress]

hmm, no raging blow

but yea looks good

[neon spade]

you supposed to discover not just follow blindly

i didnt get the point of raging blow

flag seemed to do more damage for me at least

i mean like the hunter rogue and druid all had darkmoon and BFD WBs as well

[quaint cypress]

how long did it take you to get SMF?

[neon spade]

where i dont because im not spending gold to sort stuff i dont need

[neon spade]

not long

half a day

Could have done it faster but was just chilling

I spend more time compalining about how to get SMF than it took to get SMF

If u go to the furbog cave in the north middle of ashen theres a cave they have a hig droprate of supplies theres also like 4 chest locations.

[ashen sun]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1101455229813276682/1184281051707744266/World_of_Warcraft_2023-12-12_17-48-32.mp4?ex=658b66ad&is=6578f1ad&hm=f55e413d7814b78087010f90dad94d97bbf7abbc086948e7382187105fad55cb&

minor inconvience

[quaint cypress]

Thanks man, well noted

[plush lichen]

after seeing what other classes had to do for their runes i thinkk we got of easy

[edgy pier]

any way to get the redridge rune solo?

nvm

someone helping me but its a pita

[limpid thistle]

Smites hammer or ancient war sword for 2h ?

[cinder berry]

smites hammer, or coral reef axe? is 5dps worth 11 str?

[sullen crypt]

On akumai today, same talents alahndou

2h wp with wind fury it is nice

[edgy pier]

What talents suited

Suizer

[hard lotus]

https://www.wowhead.com/classic/talent-calc/warrior/303040103-02_156vt76vwa6vs

[worn elm]

had my priest run homunc for raid today

that -1k armor feels real good

[echo summit]

fully enchanted ready to go for tomorrow

hopefully i have this CBR rotation down better

1164 unbuffed not bad for pvp

[delicate oracle]

dual wield tank not a thing atm?

[broken condor]

Anyone have insights on tanking? Spec, runes etfc

[summer carbon]

REJOICE EVERYONE

Supply rep rune is now available for Friendly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTEDSSxJhwk And for horde, this is a sure fire quick way to get to friendly

Didnt know logout-skip is a thing

Also the cost came down to 2g (from 10g?)

[sage path]

Oh, i just finished honored today, lemme end myself real quick

[summer carbon]

Did you buy the rune?

Its also now 2g :D

[long wasp]

@scenic brook Only need Friendly Rep for the DW rune now, you are eating good tonight!

[wraith star]

hi guys, im learning prot and im checking logs of the top prot warriors in BFD, theyre doing insane damage as prot, they have 100% uptime on consumed by rage, i cant seem to build threat and get to 80 rage most of the time

any ideas on what i might be doing wrong

[long wasp]

WHat runes are you playing?

And what is your general rotation?

[wraith star]

raging blow, devastate and consumed by rage

[scenic brook]

holy shit hoooooly shit
That is music to my ears

[wraith star]

idk how the hell they have consumed by rage up every fight at all times

[long wasp]

If I get raid sword and another good off hand I'm gonna switch to DW 😄 Need that movement speed haha

[long wasp]

On trash mobs its pretty hard, just dont use any spells and build rage. For Boss start with taunt and bloodrage > Raging blow > 2-3 sunders to keep aggro > SIT AND JUST ATTACK TO BUILD RAGE > Raging blow nr2 (you can use it twice with one bloodrage) >Use taunt again to regain/keep aggro > should be well above 80 rage now.

[wraith star]

alright ty! ill try that out

[long wasp]

Windfurry procs makes it a lot easier and as always better weapon = more rage

[wraith star]

yeah at the moment i have like a fist weapon, idk if thats troll but its the best ive got

crashing thunder its called

[long wasp]

and remember that you need to dip below 80 and then above again to get the free raging blows

[wraith star]

right

[charred kettle]

is it worth crafting Shifting Silver Breastplate for PvE/PvP? I have 2/3 Twilight set (missing boots) right now and I'm wondering if it's worth the cost

not going to go leatherworking for the gloves btw

[long wasp]

If you are tanking, the epic chest + 2 piece twilight is better. Don't know about DPS build, check wowhead maybe

[charred kettle]

thanks

[summer carbon]

If you compare the epic chest and Twilight chest with 3/3 set bonus, they both give +1 to-hit. Epic has 12str, twilight 9str 6 agi. The difference isnt huge but I'd say Twilight wins here

[neon spade]

twilight wins in my eyes because then u can get the gloves

which gives u another 1% hit

[summer carbon]

Yeah 100% but the dude said he aint going LW

[zenith oxide]

is there SOD channel/guide?

[summer carbon]

I'm also not going LW because I'm sure BS is gonna get something in next phases

[neon spade]

i mean im just giving what i think is best, im also not going that why ither

i cba doing the crafting

[unkempt dune]

I chose Nelf instead of human

Im lvl 8 should i re-make xD

[zenith oxide]

human/orc best

[unkempt dune]

So i should remake

[zenith oxide]

it depends how serious are u

[unkempt dune]

Im casual but i do raid every reset

And i like to see big numbers

[zenith oxide]

if you wont play human, you could always have excuse: "i would be top1, but I am not human"

[unkempt dune]

Ahahaha

XD

I have a lvl 25 lock with no BiS and im always 2nd or third in dps

Beat by rouge only xD

Chaos bolt power

[zenith oxide]

you should have beaten by rogues, hunters, ferals

if they are good

[quasi cloud]

Da

[wind seal]

How is lvling as prot with devastate?

[summer carbon]

Better than Classic for sure

But I think 2h is still best way to level

But prot + dev is fine way to grind dungeons

[eternal chasm]

im 100% serious about pumping and yet i still play gnome

dont listen to them

[ionic nexus]

do people actually complete Morbent Fel as alliance to get pre-bis head gear? its like a level 32 elite

and a looong quest-chain

[summer carbon]

+9str for a helm is prebis by far

[ionic nexus]

yeah, but seems hard to kill a lvl 32 elite as a level 25 😛

guess hunters must help out

[summer carbon]

Well team up with other warriors

Get 4 warriors and a healer :D

https://www.wowhead.com/classic/items/armor/max-level:35/max-req-level:25/class:1/quality:2:3/slot:1/type:2:3?filter-any=20:21;1:1;0:0#items;0-13+21 But this is your options for helmets

There are basically only 3 helms outside of RFD

And Humbert is identical to warrior quest chain

[ionic nexus]

ah

[tardy lily]

super good if you have a good and slow 1-hand weapon. Maybe better as 2-Hand Arms. Go 3-4 taktiker, so you can switch Stance to Charge, Execute, Overpower and Harmstring. You can kick Casters, Disarm Melees, Block a lot of Damage and dont need to eat so much and die less.

[tardy lily]

If you are blacksmith it isn’t expensive. I payed around 20gold for it. Nice quest series. You get also a trinket. Maybe you need it for the next phase. So I would recommend it.

[reef forge]

Hey where to you go for SoD discussion? Is there a different discord server?

[violet linden]

Following

[cerulean latch]

Has anyone seen stuff like this and know more about it?

Someone keeps randomly posting this what I assume are like .. Gear rankings based on server? And I can't find shit about it ANYWHERE and they are just refusing to clarify where they are seeing it

[summer carbon]

Who gives a single fuck about gear ranking lol

Go back to retail

[dim iris]

go back to retail 🤓

35 year old sour mf

someone bring this guy a time machine where he didnt cry about retail

[summer carbon]

I'm not sure why you got so mad lol

[dim iris]

aint nobody mad but you XD

im making fun of you

in broad daylight

[summer carbon]

Why`?

[opal saffron]

gearscore in classic has no meaning

[twin oriole]

ya take the 2 gs rogue over the 24 one it has no meaning

[safe sandal]

is t clap rune worth for dungeon tanking unspecced? still seems kinda meh

[opal saffron]

big strawman bro

[summer carbon]

I use to while tanking as arms. More or less of a "well this is least useless" since I sometimes use TC to keep aggro on random little shitterlings

[lethal bobcat]

Rep has been reduced to friendly from honored for the supply officers! SMF rune is easier to get now!

[safe sandal]

yea it felt trash so just been doing 2h frenzied assault/consumed by rage for most tanking

[spark shuttle]

Farmed the SMF rep to honored the day before they change it smh

At least when they put some stupid item behind revered It’ll be a easier grind

[lethal bobcat]

What are some of your guys’ strategies for PvP? I’m getting shit on even when I get the jump. Are you spending rage as soon as you get it? Do you use demo shout or sunder at all on other melee? I usually charge in, hamstring, rend if a rogue and try to get behind them and spend rage as soon as I get it on quickstrike

I feel like as a warrior and a mail wearer we should easily win against rogue and shaman

[summer carbon]

I've once been clowned on by an rogue who killed me without even meleeing me lol

Just ranged kited

[lethal bobcat]

It hurts that we don’t have a stun outside of charge at this point

[summer carbon]

But yeah pvp feels so scuffed. Without Warbringer its hopeless and with it, its still feels you just lose against everyone

But things will change in next phase when we get Intercept (and Intervene?) and suddently Warbringers usefullness goes through the roof

[lethal bobcat]

As long as it isnt just me then. Can we swap to shield and 1h in combat and switch back to 2h?

[summer carbon]

YEah

[safe sandal]

pocket healer needed

[summer carbon]

Also I'm making an educated guess here: next cap for professions is 225 and that tiers BoP blacksmithing item is based on Truesilver Gauntlets

[split flame]

praying there isnt a LW item next phase that we're debating on crafting instead so I can just stick to BS

[rancid terrace]

is dual wield any good or is two hander the way to go, pre raid

[neon spade]

its fine

[summer carbon]

DW is more aerodynamic

https://www.wowhead.com/classic/news/additional-reputation-changes-for-honored-coming-soon-season-of-discovery-336717?webhook

[delicate oracle]

anyone been dual wield tanking in bfd? really interested in it

[edgy pier]

hello frneds

[violet linden]

Anyone else rage starved as tank in BFD

[small helm]

anyone got a talent built for fury

or arms

[long wasp]

Cruelty > Unbridled Wrath > Improved Shout > last point free use

[long wasp]

not at all, raging blows handles all rage problems, if you get above 80 once there are no rage problems for the rest of the fight for me

@scenic brook Okay I can say goodbye to dual wield...got the epic 2hander this raid

[small helm]

thank you

[spark shuttle]

I think 3/3 deep wounds 3/3 cruelty is the way, deep wounds is doing like 10-15% of my damage in BFD

[lethal bobcat]

@violet linden rage pots will help you a lot

[scenic brook]

damn thats huge - congrats dude!
I just farmed SMF for todays raid and had a fucking blast

[delicate oracle]

What spec is better for tanking atm? Deep prot?

[long wasp]

Don't need deep prot to be honest...you can hold threat easily in defense stance and dish out some damage while specced into arms/fury

[long wasp]

nice! still got the same setup?

[scenic brook]

Yeah pretty much: I got some new items and changed to imp shout. Did 160 dps as MT on Kelris actually

[small helm]

if running 2h whats bis rune setups

[radiant herald]

Greetings fellow chads.

Being that SoD is capped at level 25, all of my builds and theorycrafting is out the window. None of that shit works at this low a level.

Am I right to assume that DW provides a higher dps until strike of the hydra is obtained?

[split flame]

DW Fury? can you share your setup?

[split flame]

think i may have found it here in case you dont wanna repeat yourself actually

[scenic brook]

Yeah that’s pretty much still the same - I just swapped from endless rage to single minded fury (thank you devs for the rep change) and talent wise from imp cleave + craze to 5/5 imp shout

[polar pewter]

Think its worth going arms if your priest will be running homunculus? been going imp demo and battle shout for raid wide benefits. But with homunculus i feel like theres not much great stuff in the fury tree. Thoughts?

[slender scarab]

Is it okay to roll on the 2h epic sword from BFD, if you are tanking the place? what do you guys think? its much easier to get into raids as a tank, than dps war.

[polar pewter]

Just ask beforehand about it. Its really whatever everyone agrees to

[lethal bobcat]

@mna absolutely. You can tank with a 2h so that will help your dps and threat

[eternal chasm]

what runes do you play guys into PvP?

i feel like RB and QS is apeshit

i play this RN

into WSG spam

[radiant herald]

Juggernaut helps immensely against mages. I'd get slapped around by everyone with a ranged attack otherwise

[lethal bobcat]

Warbringer is a must in my opinion. Then I use frenzied and QS. Haven’t tried endless. Remember if you are using heroic strike you will lose out on rage gen from AA

I get spanked by everything and everyone irregardless

[eternal chasm]

i dont have Warbringer yet

the Engi bullshit is expensive af and im kinda a broke gnome

[rotund iron]

do i still need to keep ranking up heroic strike after i get quick strike?

[split flame]

I did a few quests just to farm the gold for the salvagers to get warbringer. We really need all the help we can get in PvP

[pastel socket]

Warbringer is so fun in pvp

Get yourself a pocket priest healer and u can actually be useful haha

[delicate oracle]

what talents are people running for bfd tanks? arms - deep wounds or fury - enrage?

[plush lichen]

just run whatever dps build you want its patheticly easy to survive just slap on a shield if struggling

[delicate oracle]

ty!

[solar orchid]

any dual-wield guide for SOD?

plis

[marsh cobalt]

whats the best dps talent set up?

[polar pewter]

Is there any easy way to calculate the chance of an opponent dodging your attack? im considering whether its better to get improved overpower or put more points into cruelty. Especially for proccing deep wounds

[echo summit]

kinda fucked up my CBR rotation tonightbut got this 😄

[summer carbon]

I kinda always just go for Cruelty due how much +5% crit to everything affects stuff like having a Feral in your party etc

[half vector]

Anyone have any tips for holding aggro in SoD

[willow umbra]

For solo questing DW or 2H and what runes?

at 25

[summer carbon]

Handle out Sunders like its free candy

[half vector]

I'm new to war tanking level 20 just did first deadmines and just felt like I was chasing mobs and never had rage to use. So was looking for any insight to improve

[summer carbon]

Get a fast mainhand, use Endless Rage to have enough rage and just slap everything with sunders

Furious Thunder or Consumed by Rage for leg rune

[tardy lily]

Slow mainhand, just spam devastate with rune. Never do shieldblock, demo shout or Revanche in normal dungeons. Use thunder rune and spam thunder for aoe when 3+ targets. Biggest problem is when 3 DPS go on 3 different targets. OFC you will never get first on all 3 targets. Use a mark for Fokus target and use 1 thunder or 1 devastate for the second targets. Use charge glyph for fight. So you get some rage and more as with blood build. I see some tank making 3 rends with rune on targets and loosing threat. Ofc you will when you waste first 30 Rage without making threat. Blood build makes maybe more dmg, but your job is tanking not damage. Dungeon tank build is 10-5-1 / parry/charge/thunder/cruelty. Last point you can choose 2 def or tacticer.

[summer carbon]

Warbringer is so fun talent as a tank

If you have like ench shammy, feral, rogue/warrior and a healer who can keep up with mana, you just cleave through the dungeon

[brave ledge]

Im late to the party.. whats the meta spec sod?

[foggy current]

hey guys, im playing a tank war and was wondering which build is best suited for general purpose
because i see a lot of guide sites mention the prot build with devastate etc but i feel like i don't generate enough fury to sustain all my debuffs
wowhead also has a dungeon build with bleeds, which feels like it generates a ton of fury, i can easily multi dot and even weave in some cleaves, even when only fighting singular enemies when questing i feel like i get more fury

i plan on only doing the raid once to see it, but my most gameplay is open world, questing and dungeons

[summer carbon]

https://www.wowhead.com/classic/talent-calc/warrior/303220001-05 2H Blood Frenzy + Frenzied Assault + Quickstrike
https://www.wowhead.com/classic/talent-calc/warrior/3-05053 2H/DW Raging Blood + Consumed By Rage + Single Minded Fury/Quickstrike/Endless Rage

[brave ledge]

Many thanks

[sand ore]

whats the best talent for 1h dps war guys?

[worn knot]

Is fury or arms better for the hydra sword

[scenic brook]

I think it would be great if someone would take the time to pin answers to frequently asked questions. we are just looping through "what talents for XYZ" posts at this point

[lethal bobcat]

True

[summer carbon]

Like you have 16 talent points to spend, why cant people just look at the warrior talent tree and figure it out themselves

Same goes for runes

[jovial grove]

Full prot 2h = new meta

[cinder berry]

i have a coral reef axe and smites hammer, any opinios on which is better?

[lethal bobcat]

Whichever has the higher dps. Warriors gain most from straight dps increase

[summer carbon]

Coral Reef Axe wins slightly

But if you are an orc, it wins clearly

[cinder berry]

human 😦

[sage path]

Then hammer is your friend

[hardy gale]

I'm pretty sure the top warr logs are using 15/1/0

[spark shuttle]

If you DW go 13/3

[willow umbra]

With what runes? Raging blow consumed by rage quick strike?

[spark shuttle]

Yes

[willow umbra]

Nice on bosses but not he ramp in dungeons seems like it takes a little too long

But the ramp

[spark shuttle]

Just pool 80 rage on the first couple packs

Then chain pull so you don’t decay too much

[willow umbra]

And what do you recommend for solo questing? I’ve been using quick strike frenzied and rage from bleeds

Or is DW the play when solo?

[spark shuttle]

Think 2h better for solo, would go QS/Frenzied/RB

Bloodrage RB QS QS RB good damage

[willow umbra]

Thanks.

[radiant herald]

The problenlm with the "optimal" build is our dps is so low at this level any changes are within the margin of error.

13/3 may outperform 16/0, or may get beaten by 6/10 depending on how lucky you get with crits on a given fight

[hardy gale]

that's the ones. I stick to it for questing if im killing stuff lower level than me (chaining kills). I swap to Frenzied for anything i cant chain kills

[hardy gale]

truth. Was just responding to the "meta" build question. but i def agree with you

[willow umbra]

Quickstrike is such a godsend for rage generation by not taking up auto attack

[ebon wind]

Victory rush for sure

[willow umbra]

Over quickstrike? Doubt. 10% health and like no damage is not worth it when facing at level mobs. Quicker kill = less damage taken

It was great for like 10 levels

But after that nah

[summer carbon]

Its good when your killtime is very quick

Other than that, QS wins

So if you are farming like lvl20 mobs

[echo summit]

Ive been having a good time using 0/16/0 on DW feels good as well.

[summer carbon]

Im enjoying my Killmaim orc bleed build

[echo summit]

i am alliance human so yeah bit diff

[summer carbon]

Best case scenario: QS on every GCD and I'm only gaining rage

Ferals makes QS-builds go nuts

[willow forge]

Do you put the slower or faster weapon in main hand when duel wielding?

a

[summer carbon]

Slower if you use Raging Blow

[radiant herald]

Slow. While HS is queued, your offhand hits count as abilities, which negates the 24% miss chance. You want a slow a main hand as possible to HS cancel properly.

Also helps with deep wounds, raging blow, and overpower

[summer carbon]

Oh yeah, HS-cancelling was a thing in classic

[radiant herald]

It's a thing all the way up until cata iirc

[summer carbon]

Thanks for reminder, no way im jumping out of this 2H now

[radiant herald]

Lol it ain't that bad

[willow forge]

i really wished smf gave a buff to see it is on

[echo summit]

easy to notice as youre walknig faster than everryone

[tardy lily]

Good thing is. You can play everything because nothing is game changing. Some build are better for farming / dungeons / trash. Some build are better on BFD only boss fights. Some build are better for PvP. You can play really everything. Just charge rune is a must for PvP.

[unkempt cliff]

What about tanking atm, are people playing the full prot build in BFD or can you run the Dungeon one (on wowhead that is)?

[split flame]

The fury tank builds ive seen mentioned here look really interesting. Devastate seems really strong tho too

[hollow elm]

is the 2h epic not bis for warr?

[radiant herald]

It is

[delicate oracle]

i got slaghammer from RFK. is that good even though its a faster 2h?

[nova skiff]

any sword n board tanks or is everyone sticking with 2H and experimenting with DW?

[austere hearth]

is 2h or 1h highest dps right now?

[small helm]

if u have the epic 2h then i think its bis but if you dont dw might be better

[sullen lake]

Dw with the honed darkwater talar is second to the epic sword, if you dont have that plus a good offhand fathom blade prolly next

[neon spade]

theres like no difference

pick your favourite

[neon spade]

i tank with a shield and sword when i do tank

[neon spade]

i tanked it, week one with sowrd and shield but i didnt change talents was just using my fury talents doesnt make a difference really u press sunder

[final field]

Deep wounds do around 6% of overall dmg on average. Don't really see point going 3/3 on that. And imp. overpower comes more irrelevant the more hit% gear you get, I would choose cruelty instead. Just my two cents

[summer carbon]

Wait, +hit makes mobs dodge you less? I though it was only weaponskill

[final field]

Actually you are right on this one, I stand corrected

[rare rapids]

Hey guys do u think Impale is a good one when u have gear ? :< For PvE And PvP

[solemn elm]

gloves or armor void for dps warrior?

[sand ore]

guys warrrior is b tier in classic

[lethal bobcat]

@sand ore lol no

[sand ore]

https://tenor.com/view/hahaha-dogo-smile-cute-gif-16039989

[summer carbon]

Warriors kick ass as tanks and damage. Pvp is horrible but eh, lvl25 content who cares

[tardy lily]

Dont play DW. Raging Blow and Consumed by Rage Runes are Best for Bosses at BFD. For DW and Arms. With this Runes you can play DW because you have a Instant Cast With Raging Blow. Super good and for Bosses BIS if you dont have the 2hd-Sword. Big Problem is. What is when you dont have 80 Rage? For Example Farming, PvP or Dungeons. 98% of your Time. Then you havn't a good Leg Rune. And Without Consumed by Rage you cant play Raging Blow and Flagellation is the best. So you have only Overpower and Autohits and Rend Damage with DW. For me no Fun and less damage. With Arms you have Quick Strike and Frenzied Assault and Flagellation as Alternative. Much better and if you have drop Luck with the Sword. BiS in all Situations.

[twin oriole]

2h feels pretty rough without wf tbh

[summer carbon]

2h without WF feels fine. 2h with WF feels bonkers

PVP without Warbringer, thats what feels rough

[sudden hedge]

I didnt even do any WSGs until I unlock warbringer runes lol.

[summer carbon]

Now atleast they cant get away while you cant kill them

[sudden hedge]

from my experience so far as long as we TC on a voice chat people goes down.

[pastel spoke]

is it possible to do brutal armor quest in sod?

[summer carbon]

Yeah

And you should. Gives you a good helm and BIS tanking chest

Thou dont try to do the mine part alone. It will suuuuck

[pastel spoke]

you talkin abt the kobolds?

or RFK boss

cause both sounds awful

[summer carbon]

RFK boss was easy, also the kobolds

I'm talking about the Hillsbrad mines

[pastel spoke]

ah

dno if its worth doing cause there's tier set from raid too

[summer carbon]

Well if you have that then its not worth much

But its prebis tanking chest and most stamina you can have in a chest

And you cant have any helm as good as Brutal Helm outside of BFD as horde

[unkempt dune]

heyyyy

[delicate oracle]

would you guys switch to 2h only if you get the epic? for tanking atleast, because im rocking slaghammer right now

my 1h and shield arent great, got axe of the enforcer

[humble shard]

which 2h is prebis? smites hammer?

[broken mica]

Is warrior terrible in pvp in sod or am I just bad?

[green moss]

warbringer gnome seems busted

or bring FAPs

[broken mica]

I’m horde :/

[green moss]

faps still exist

[broken mica]

Yeah 35s a pop

[green moss]

agree that mage and hunter kinda harde counter us tho

[broken mica]

And Rets

And locks

[green moss]

thats what friends with dispells are for ig

we 2 shot the robe classes tho

[broken mica]

Yeah i just struggle against anyone but rogues when I’m solo

[eternal chasm]

yo guys

any spot

where you would farm Sentry's Shoulderguards?

there are not any Sentry's Shoulderguards of the Tiger in AH

i can't wait for someone to finally put them up and they'll cost like 100g

[tidal patio]

With the charge anytime rune we can chase em down? Haven't got it yet just wondering

[green moss]

charge cd is still 15 secs but it becomes easier to gap close yea

they can still kite you within charge range though but its a lot harder for them

[small helm]

does any1 wanna do RFK

[unkempt dagger]

I'm trying dw tank with unbridled rage atm

I'm sick of not having rage and threat in dungeons specifically

Paladin tanking is actually so much better than warrior for AOE dungeon pulls, it's not even close

You can do m+ style pulls on paladin

[cedar mica]

advantages of warrior: not having to sit to drink

advantages of prot paladin: absolutely every other single thing

[green moss]

plus in BFD they can bubble off the stacks on final boss

is the purple void-touched chestplate BiS or should we use the leather gloves

and use the raid set

[woeful granite]

Guys i was wondering if it's worth in the long run to go for leatherworking, It Is for sure for phase 1 for gloves but i dont wanna invest into it and then have to swap to BS in phase 2, any advice?

[green moss]

true

could drop engineering

or whatever ur 2nd one is

[summer carbon]

Bis is set + LW gloves

But I have hunch that its gonna change in following phases

[green moss]

yeah there will prob be more blacksmith-required stuff and you will have to retrain it

[willow forge]

is it bad to have a slower speed offhand?

[summer carbon]

Its better to have quick one due how HS-canceling works

[proven pine]

What kind of setup have you guys been running for tanking in SoD

Just for dungeon farming, not BFD

[green moss]

Just devastate thunderclap bleed rage rune

If you have big pumpers you might want endless rage instead of devastate so you can make more threat

Honestly our aoe threat feels not good

Vs prot pally can pull like 7 at a time and hold threat on all of em

[proven pine]

That’s what I had been trying but 1H and Shield felt terrible for rage gen, despite devastate being an attractive choice

[summer carbon]

5mans you should go for fast weapon for rage buildup

Slow for BFD

[sour spoke]

In SOD season 2 do we start a new character or do we level our 25 to 40?

[summer carbon]

25->40

[pastel spoke]

i hope the blizz devs who made horde go to redridge die a painful death

genuinely

[summer carbon]

Lol

I tried to solo it, met some warrior who had as awful plan as I did

We went to the castle and noticed it was SWARMING allies

[pastel spoke]

just getting there is an awful experience with the alliance npcs on the road who aggros from 50 yds away

idk what tf devs were thinking

[summer carbon]

So we huddled behind a wall and decided to just yolo it, run in as far as we can, grab the item and get out. As many deaths as it takes

[pastel spoke]

im just gonna sit there as a ghost and wait for alliance to kill it tmw

[summer carbon]

So we just ran in, past like 15 allies, grab the item as 2 allies watched as do it, run again past the 15 allies and got out alive :D

[proven pine]

As an alliance on a PvE server it is sort of funny seeing a Tauren sheepishly tag along with the group and help us kill the mobs lol

[pastel spoke]

bruh im sitting here waiting for the shield to repsawn

taking mad long, mobs are gonna respawn before it does

[tardy lily]

Just for your information. Cleared copra WC alone today with worldbuff. So warrior can do the same like other class. Works well. Used retaliation at boss, but don’t used health pot.

[hoary silo]

would you guys use flagellation or raging blow as tank in BFD?

[worn shard]

yo guys can someone point me at a good resource for classic warr macros/weakauras? I know theres a lot of nuance with stance dancing and all that

[summer carbon]

Warbringer

Charging in combat is good

[mint plover]

my first bfd xd

[edgy pier]

Waow

[summer carbon]

Gz!

My third today, tanked it with my shitty tanking gear I had scrounged out of boredome (which in fact was almos pre-bis) and got Fathom Blade

[willow forge]

is meteor or cleaver a better preraid bis offhand for duel wielding?

[willow forge]

raging i believe it is just better

[summer carbon]

Meteor unless you are an orc, then cleaver

[willow forge]

would you use doomspike if you get it over meteor?

[knotty plover]

2h fury or arms

In sod

[summer carbon]

I havent heard any facts if either is better

[split flame]

i dont think we have enough talent points for it to make a difference. From what I can tell, your choice is more rage generation or deep wounds. My personal preference is deep wounds with a nice big slow 2h

[neon spade]

it doesnt make a difference

doesnt even really make adifference if u DW or 2hander ither

we are lvl 25

well i guess if u get the epic then u wanna 2 hander

but eh

[split flame]

yeah just do what feels good.

[neon spade]

SoD is supposed to be fun not i need to know whats best have a go

[split flame]

make fun be happy

[neon spade]

find out

[split flame]

What i like about phase 1 sod Warrior is that runes make way more of a difference than talents and I can swap runes freely without going broke

[neon spade]

i dunno ppl keep telling me raging is better than flag for DW and i generally think thats incorrect

but eh each to their own i suppose

[split flame]

Raging blow feels weird during the ramp up so I can't blame anyone for using flag instead. i doubt its much of a difference and it gets going right away

[neon spade]

well raging blow just uses wep damage doesnt do much with DW and i feel like playing it correctly u do way more damage

[summer carbon]

Yeah its much better on 2h for sure

[kindred fractal]

dw does not feel good with negative hit at lvl 25

The raging blow qs 2h build feels a million times better but wf is hard required

[neon spade]

u just use the hit sharpen stone

no WF u can run 2

as DW never been an issue

[kindred fractal]

i mean

U get like 3-4 hit max

And the hit only applies to offhand if ur using wf

dw only feels better with no wf

[neon spade]

i disagree but theres no point in aruging points of view

[kindred fractal]

feels like hs queueing is a very important part of dw rn

Cause of how sparse rage is

[neon spade]

i dunno never had an issue with rage so 🤷 but as i said i play different runes that most ppl

[eternal chasm]

what is fun

about doing less damage

you play your class, you figure with other people what's the best

and then you play it

[neon spade]

i dont do less damage then 2 hander players tho

so

🤷

[eternal chasm]

you think that

cuz u play with monkeys

[neon spade]

im gunna play what i like

wow your aggresive,

i never said not to play what u like

u like playing 2 handers

play 2 handers

BFD is very easy tho

so u can clear it as anything

as thats the intention

[eternal chasm]

sry, I'm reformed, got carried away

[neon spade]

so if ppl feel something else is more fun

why shouldnt they play that?

[eternal chasm]

I like playing whats better

[neon spade]

if thats what u find fun great

i never said not to do that

as i posted the other day this is my damage for kelris, jett and aku in a pug that one shot every boss. I dont have the 2 WB u can get, because im lazy but im doing more than enough to clear the raid. and im enjoying my time no need to attack me or ppl that play the game

[eternal chasm]

My entire point is that, when someone asks here if DW or 2H is better, you always tell them to play what they like, but most of the people asking the question probably care about whats better, I always play warrior no matter if he's S or D tier

but I'm gonna try my best to play it properly

[willow forge]

what weapons are you using?

[neon spade]

i dunno that 1hand sword from a quest

and the dagger from the raid

[willow forge]

also if you are human would you run 1 sword 1 dagger or just 2 swords?

[neon spade]

i dont know

im orc

[willow forge]

dam

[neon spade]

and dont run an axe

🤷

[willow forge]

lol

[slender scarab]

Are you still running arms or specced fury?

[neon spade]

fury speced

[slender scarab]

Cruelty > Unbridled > BS > DWS?

[neon spade]

i am yet to see a 2 hander warrior do more damage than me. so thats why i tell ppl to play what they enjoy

[eternal chasm]

i do almost twice your damage

[neon spade]

yes i can go look at the top parsing warriors who have the eqic and letting mobs hit them during the fight for more rage

[eternal chasm]

but thats out of the point

[neon spade]

cool

[eternal chasm]

i dont wanna continue being toxic, w/e

leave it

xd

[neon spade]

u wanna provide proof or?

[eternal chasm]

next ID

[willow forge]

lol probably with the epic

[neon spade]

okay

without WBs

[willow forge]

to say something is best but only beacuse you need the weapon is nuts

[neon spade]

and cheese please then so its fair

[eternal chasm]

i dont have epic

yet

but i always have full group with WBs

[neon spade]

u have a neck and helm and trinket

and epic gloves

XD

[eternal chasm]

ofc

[willow forge]

lol yea

[neon spade]

i have no where close to that

[eternal chasm]

im trying my best

as i said

[slender scarab]

Arguing about parses in classic is zzzz lets be honest

[willow forge]

^

[eternal chasm]

parses are always

w/e

[willow forge]

like both do damage

[neon spade]

hence why i tell ppl to play what they enjoy

[eternal chasm]

as soon as you kill it

its whatever

[slender scarab]

If you can successfully not shit yourself during a pull you win

[eternal chasm]

i agree with that

[willow forge]

it fury did negative damage

i would understand the point

but it does good damage

[slender scarab]

At least Fury > Spriest

[eternal chasm]

😄

they got buffed right?

SHP, Bala and ele

[blazing breach]

lets see them logs

[neon spade]

my runes and talents if u were asking me

[eternal chasm]

I was thinking DW's still play Arms tree with QS and RB

[neon spade]

🤷

[slender scarab]

you can't use QS with dw

QS only works with 2hers

[neon spade]

thats my spec i seem to do more damage than ppl are telling me i should be so ither im wrong, or ppls knowledge isnt what they think it is, as i said earlier i play differently to ppl i dont know if its correct but it what does the most damage for me

also as i said earlier i dont think RB is worth on DW as u hit for wep damage

[eternal chasm]

oh, so what do DW play? SMF instead?

[neon spade]

kinda meh

[slender scarab]

DW should go SMF instead yeah

[neon spade]

ppl are playing raging but from testing feels like if u play flag corrcetly is better

RB is chest rune im pretty sure

[slender scarab]

yeah you can use Flag/RB on chest, I haven't tested flag yet

If flag worked on the CSB buff that would be huge

[neon spade]

timing flag or the right time, and sitting just so u dip over and into enrage all the time is how i play the spec

and i just send on execute cause its fun

not the correct way u should send into HS

until the very end

but eh

[slender scarab]

yeah, I mean I don't think you need to worry about parsing in this phase

[neon spade]

i dont care about parsing at all

its classic

i do my parsing in retail

where it also doesnt matter

but let me rephrase and u can link to this message when ppl ask

At top gear it appears 2 hander pulls ahead, from what we know. However you can do it as anything so if u find DW more fun do DW youll be fine and can do all content, if u prefer 2 hander play 2 hander. but SoD is supposed to be a fun adventure find what u like and play it. thats the whole point

[native belfry]

Anybody have a nice plater profile they wouldn't mind sharing?

[split flame]

Do you go 3/3 deep wounds or putting more into crit?

[green moss]

i think teh crit is better

bc the deep wounds only proc on crit

so its make ur crits do 33% more dmg or get 5% increased crit chance

if that doubles your crit chance then thats 100% more crit dmg basically

[tepid ferry]

where can i find good fury warrior SOD info?

making my alt and im looking on icy veins and its all wron glol

or can i venmo someone $10 to spoon feed me a full quick rundown? is that allowed?

[eternal chasm]

i play this

if you want more crit

you can take one point from overpower

and put it into fury crit

[green moss]

i feel like the 1% flat crit is more dmg than the impale bleed

[eternal chasm]

yea you dont play impale

you either play 2/2 overpower

or cruelty or however its called in fury

if u dont feel like the overpower is worth take one point from it and move it there

[green moss]

is the 25% overpower crit chance a multiplier

or doesi t actually add 25% crit chance

[eternal chasm]

it actually does add 25% crit chance

i tried playing with 1 point in overpower and 2 points in cruelty

and i got pissed everytime my OP didnt crit

tried putting 2 points in and its a bit better

having in full raid buffs 65% crit on OP feels pretty good