yes
#arms
latent moss
i think we timed a 19 npx at like 270 ilvl and we had a full wipe and a couple deaths
crazy how people nowadays at 290 ilvl cant time it
sacred summit
ye u right i was only looking at arms talents not all of them lol
during execute phase for either raid or st build, do we only ms during cs (with 2 stacks of ep)
balmy kindle
crazy how people nowadays at 290 ilvl cant time it
Taking too much risks
MDI gaming
latent moss
and the worst comp of all time
balmy kindle
Without the skills
rose matrix
i think we timed a 19 npx at like 270 ilvl and we had a full wipe and a couple d...
Chances are people just vote to abandon if that happens so they'd never know
sacred summit
or do we send ms without cs with 2 stacks of ep in the raid build but not in m+ build
balmy kindle
Wew release arms was terrible no
minor sky
Ah yes the old double monk magic damage comp
latent moss
but i did that 19 as slayer
idk how are people struggling to live i was 270 in a 19
and never felt in danger
rose matrix
To be honest I hear a lot of people say NPX is hard on healers but I take like no damage there
latent moss
just zerk rage circle
rose matrix
Only time I die in there is when I swirly spawns below me in bs
sacred summit
guys during execute phase for either raid or m+ build, do we only ms during cs (with 2 stacks of ep)
or do we send ms without cs with 2 stacks of ep in the raid build but not in m+ build
latent moss
left side is the only dangerous part
rose matrix
That shit is basically invisible if it happens at the right time
latent moss
tbf we did right side
in like
3 pulls
had to make up time
shit was hell for me
barren ivy
What’s some spells we can spell reflect? Is there a list somewhere?
latent moss
18 frontals
at all times
spell reflecting entropic leech or w/e its called
is fucking huge
mob is stuck casting it and u dont get the heal absorb
minor sky
If I have a macro that includes /cast slam, will it still cast heroic strike when procced?
latent moss
no
minor sky
Im binding battle stance to all my dps abilities so I never forget to swap back after using defensive for a personal
theres virtually no risk because of the 3 sec window
tall citrus
you should just have a bind for stances sometimes you wanna sit def stance during rot etc
barren ivy
^
minor sky
idk i just got defensive stance reminder
Ill check that out instead then
barren ivy
unnecessary bindings can cost you globals if things are bound to everything.
balmy kindle
theres virtually no risk because of the 3 sec window
The risk comes when it's CD and there's smth coming 
It's best to make a Macro toggle
barren ivy
Then 3 seconds becomes a long damn time lmao
latent moss
personally i never liked macros apart from focus kick and mouseover stuff
minor sky
Then 3 seconds becomes a long damn time lmao
what are you even saying? the 3s is only a internal cd for stance swapping, it has no effect on other abilities since stances are off the gcd
rose matrix
Only thing I macro is impending victory into charge
balmy kindle
The internal GCD can kill you though if you accidentally do it in a bad moment
latent moss
wdym
minor sky
The internal GCD can kill you though if you accidentally do it in a bad moment
yeah but the internal cooldown doesnt trigger if youre already in battle stance and cast battle stance
minor sky
It's best to make a Macro toggle
So that would make it essentially one binding that would swap you to whatever stance you arent currently in, yes?
balmy kindle
Yes side mouse button for me
minor sky
we bind side mouse to interrupt in this house
rose matrix
G for me
smoky garden
I use Shift + back scroll for my stance macro
balmy kindle
Shift back scroll 
viscid mica
bit sus
pearl shore
did anything change talent or rotation wise for colossus after the buff
thick kelp
damn
thick kelp
flip a coin
sacred zodiac
not the 10 target patchwerk
thick kelp
my favourite
prisma igloo
How big of an ST buff was the colossus changes yesterday?
dim basalt
spring ravine
not the 10 target patchwerk
thanks. +228 dps for ST not worth spending that much gold, right?
sacred zodiac
this is something we cannot tell you
gotta decide for yourself if x gold is worth 0.3% dps
feral breach
I am scared
spring ravine
feels like I wasted my bonus rolls for 2h. Should've simmed before. thanks again for answer mate
wind flicker
Is it worth it to spend money?
You should ask urself the question, do you play on a level where it matters? Usually the biggest dps gain is by just playing better and solving your mistakes
Thats by far the biggest dps you can gain
wintry scroll
do we still run this on colossus with new patch ?
thick kelp
yeah
fresh spire
I wonder if it's worth dropping me/powerful for mp now
wintry scroll
sim it for me
wind flicker
I wonder if it's worth dropping me/powerful for mp now
I talked with @thick kelp about this the other day actually
fresh spire
Me is insane sim bait
Powerful is very situational. If you got 2+ target bosses it crankssss
wind flicker
I mean i thought so too, but he had a good argument
Because first of all it lines up well, and secondly usually thats when ur group is out of juice and you can finish it off
fresh spire
You barely get many cleaves in on targets under 35% especially since you likely hold Cs for next trash so no cc cleaving either
If they chanced that slam tact reset to work with cleave if fob is taken life would be badass
Overpowering finish is kinda whatever since you op much less. If you lack a shaman could easily run the slam cost reduction to help with rage on st
thick kelp
You barely get many cleaves in on targets under 35% especially since you likely ...
I honestly think CS holding is only good if mobs are sub 10% hp and there is 3 or less targets
if its a pack of 4 at 20% surely sending CS is worht it for overall timer
I think the me/powerful drop might be potent in AA/skyreach (again)
But skyreach has dangerous mobs
fresh spire
Purely depends on upcoming pull. Avatars line up. Etc
thick kelp
Purely depends on upcoming pull. Avatars line up. Etc
That too
too many conditions in M+, god bless we dont do dslice
wind flicker
In higher keys mass execute definitely lines up
And ur always sending a second warbreaker into it
So i think you do actually get many cleaves on ME
But for lower level keys i’d say u might be better off skipping the talent ye
rose matrix
I pump at the last 35% on packs all the time
Very common to use CS at the point once you are doing keys where mobs live long enough
I could see dropping it if you run Col in AA
wind flicker
I dont think AA is a very Col friendly dungeon
It requires way too much coordination to do good dmg there on bosses as collos
And loads of people get hooked on overall in AA while most of the damage is useless pad.
sacred zodiac
And loads of people get hooked on overall in AA while most of the damage is usel...
youre looking at it wrong noob. if your overall damage isnt highest at the end of the failed key you cant complain and scream at the others
wind flicker
youre looking at it wrong noob. if your overall damage isnt highest at the end o...
Thats a very valid point xd
If you really want to see who’s good or not in AA filter out the useless small lasher dmg and look at the dmg done to vile lashers, bosses, and the big reaver guys
Those are the things that screw your timer in AA
radiant flume
yo, new to arms warrior. is dungeon slice good or bad for this spec?
sacred zodiac
dslice isnt maintained
radiant flume
ty
sacred zodiac
just sim variations of patchwerks
radiant flume
tyvm
hot barn
Col st better now or?
toxic night
did anyone actually sim col st with funnel?
toxic night
would like to know how funnel stacks up on the priority target against plain st
thick kelp
would like to know how funnel stacks up on the priority target against plain st
Sure, heres colossus m+ build plain ST https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3tKJxt4No6wmpPm7uzbstZ
and heres with 3 targets damage to main target https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/383F7gj4Aqy6b4qCKEVogp/simc
which is 147k if you are lazy to open
hot barn
Any dngs u dont play col?
thick kelp
my opinion, no
toxic night
where do you get 147k from i only see 137k
thick kelp
where do you get 147k from i only see 137k
mortal crag
from the equation
toxic night
wonder if thats a simc issue then
thick kelp
whats a simc issue
hasty pumice
bro cant stop glazing his 21 key
toxic night
because the main target only takes 137k
toxic night
well then again, 147k would still not be an accurate number since trash wont live past 30 seconds
open ingot
is the garfrost weapon that good i cant get it to outsim a crafted weap?
ionic mica
its a sim its not going to be accurate to your actual keys boss fight
unless you care to set all that up in the sim, and even then itll only apply to the scenario you set up
feral breach
is the garfrost weapon that good i cant get it to outsim a crafted weap?
It has 3 more ilvl
open ingot
yeah i get that im still struggling to get it to outsim even with arcano weave craft
mortal crag
bro cant stop glazing his 21 key
its a new one
the old one is invalidated
ive outdone myself
hasty pumice
feral breach
yeah i get that im still struggling to get it to outsim even with arcano weave c...
I think i understood your question the other way around 
mortal crag
"bro i had 600k overall before we bricked"
"hey look i did good on this sr21"
"ok stop flexing"
average german friendship
feral breach
Me, as a german, approve of this message
open ingot
I think i understood your question the other way around <:warriorbrain:108319048...
all g i think i just need to play around with sims more im undersimming by like 6k
and droptomiser might be doing funky stuff
compared to 115k + simming arms war st
im only 108k
feral breach
Yeah i use top gear for that
thorn stream
is the garfrost weapon that good i cant get it to outsim a crafted weap?
did you remove hunt ?
dim basalt
Did you also use another embellishment then?
novel raven
Sure, heres colossus m+ build plain ST https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3t...
why tf is that sim so high
open ingot
but my cape is pretty decent
novel raven
i thought it was because you have vantus, but even vantus'd your almost 10% ahead of me
thick kelp
why tf is that sim so high
Cuz its me
thorn stream
all raidbuffs
simple wren
went back to my warrior to try it out arms and first impression is that it doesnt seem very pruned compared, feels like its even one more step complicated in midnight compared to tww with heroic strike?
arms feels like super complicated compared to UHDK 😄
open ingot
true
novel raven
think i was checking 10m 8t last
open ingot
arms actually probs one of the harder specs in the game atm
simple wren
yeah must be
toxic night
its barely any harder than pressing 1 2 3 tbh 
wind flicker
and heres with 3 targets damage to main target https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/r...
Oeh gotta look into that one, seems slightly high though i feel, what are the buffs applied here? (Made it work on phone found the buffs)
open ingot
kinda crazy that arms especially colossus just dodged pruning
tho all the warrior specs dont feel like they changed that much
toxic night
i liked thane fury in tww, dont really like the change to recklessness they made
open ingot
what where you just spam rampage?
wind flicker
Honestly, season 3 dragonflight fury was quite good in terms of minmaxing rotationally for fury
Probably one of the better seasons
open ingot
fury is pretty degen just rampage>clap>rampage>clap
toxic night
yea
wind flicker
I forgot the talent we used back then, they removed it, but it forced us into a specific rotation were fuckups were punished, but good gameplay rewarded
And some cool rage pooling tricks etc
paper gulch
Deadly calm
wind flicker
Our aoe was mid, but st was quite good
Annihilator
That was the talent
Had to look through my old guide to find the name lmao
feral breach
And mid is not bad
feral breach
And this
open ingot
isnt frost and udk and ele doing 130k st
proven veldt
there are a lot of DPS specs
you can be worst than the best specs and still not mid
wind flicker
Loads of classes are viable yep
wind flicker
It doesnt matter anyways unless ur playing the highest keys
And even then it will be within 1 keylevel
With some dungeons favoring other comps than other dungeons
toxic night
it doesnt matter that it doesnt matter, you still might not get invited if youre an off meta specc
wind flicker
Must say that i dont think warrior will run into many issues this season with that
open ingot
yeh for sure arms kinda overshadows it
feral breach
More of the spec perception
wind flicker
Hard to get highkey pugs for fury afaik
Which level?
open ingot
once you start getting 20-21
feral breach
Heard some ppl not getting invites on 18-19+
Or get kicked if they find out they are not srms
I dont have the problems myself, i do not pug rn
wind flicker
once you start getting 20-21
Im not really having issues around 21-22 other than the lack of keys to be honest
open ingot
yeah i cant comment myself personally
i havent been pushing high keys this season on war
wind flicker
And obviously its also about being realistic that ur not getting into an evokers key for example
open ingot
mostly on the dh
yeh for sure
but i mean you can have a aug in a semi phys comp and it will still be ok
wind flicker
Not really
open ingot
like aug > war > rogue >shaman > brew is probs fine
wind flicker
Imo aug is probably one of the worst classes to have with a warrior
I’d take any class over an aug
feral breach
We run bear, mw, fury, uh, aug
open ingot
isnt their crit buff not that bad for arms?
but yeh fair
its definitely not meta
but can work
wind flicker
I mean everything can work
novel raven
this goal post constantly feels like its just moving slightly behind me, but idk. 21s are just play well now
wind flicker
I think the most issues people run into at 21 is mostly due to people needing to do more things than just their rotation
novel raven
timed 21 SR with dbl warrior frost dk
wind flicker
Doesnt make it impossible
open ingot
yeh for sure
wind flicker
But yeah aug just not great with us
open ingot
could be a feral orr something else
wind flicker
You can run some keys with and without and see the difference yourself
open ingot
tbh havent seen many ferals this season on enhancement shamans
feral breach
I swapped to feral
Saw the prio list on wowhead
I swapped to boomkin
wind flicker
From the ferals i know they’ve told me the playstyle is not very fun
open ingot
oof a actual shopping list prio
feral breach
That list is 4 times the size
feral breach
Cant even fit in a single phone screenshot
open ingot
balmy kindle
is beloren trink worth in m+ or there's a sim trap there, like wouldnt your trink go to zero chain pulling hmm
dim basalt
is beloren trink worth in m+ or there's a sim trap there, like wouldnt your trin...
Its good
dim basalt
Only have WS 20 soz
hasty pumice
dim basalt
brazen sun
question for Lura slayer . do I use my pot right at the pull or when adds spawns
dim basalt
question for Lura slayer . do I use my pot right at the pull or when adds spawns
When adds spawn because you delay your cds at start anyway
brazen sun
ok thanks
dim basalt
2nd pot is around 6 minutes so its no big deal anyway
wide needle
man did a random 12 today for some crests tthe tank was pulling guys to each boss'
it was glorious
brazen sun
2nd pot is around 6 minutes so its no big deal anyway
on exec phase ?
dim basalt
on exec phase ?
Not sure if its exe phase because I didnt get there yet
But its sometime in P3
so prob
flat spear
alright boys stupid questions time: 1) are we only sending execute with 40 rage or sudden death? 2) lets say we have 20 rage, execute phase, 2 stacks of executioners precision, smash debuff is up, we waiting for auto attack to get more rage for MS?
balmy kindle
i think u use OP or use MS, alternatively, bladestorm
brazen sun
Not sure if its exe phase because I didnt get there yet
ok thanks for the heads up
brazen sun
alright boys stupid questions time: 1) are we only sending execute with 40 rage ...
we send exec when we get SD proc . or near rage cap //// me personally i'll send OP then MS
mortal crag
mc22 cook
olive nest
dim basalt
Crazy
granite sun
is it colo for sure now in m+ i just saw that there were some changes tuesday
finite ginkgo
Do we Change anything in colo Build with new Patch ?
finite ginkgo
Colo Prio on aoe is cleave > ms > op right ?
tropic crest
You basically do Cleave MS OP - Cleave MS OP - Cleave MS OP . If MS / OP aren't ready you go Execute SD > Slam
dim basalt
What's crazy is me getting 2 BS inside one CS on first pull MC last night
But did you top damage
minor gust
I did yeah lol. Did as much as I did when I ran Colo on the 20 MC on that first pull
I procced out my mind
minor gust
4k
rough pewter
and then 3500 is what? casual level or mid
viscid mica
any vods? would like to see slarms only player on high m+
minor gust
New casual is like 3400 for the mount so what 3500 would be slightly above that
rough pewter
New casual is like 3400 for the mount so what 3500 would be slightly above that
ah okey thank you very much
gilded turret
can someone shed some light about the bonus roll system for me:
This week I bonus rolled Myth Chim for the first time and got the Chest token.
I also got the boots from the boss drop.
Does that mean next week only Gaze is left in the pool, or are both Gaze and boots still in the pool? (All rolls in prot spec)
mortal crag
boots are still in pool
in order to be removed from pool it has to be from the bonus loot
minor gust
No
quasi swallow
what do you use to sim AOE as arms? I want to see if Nexus point ring set outperforms the 2 Rings from Pit and nexuspoint with crit and haste
celest iris
Are people playing slayer in AA and Skyreach after the Colo changes?
balmy kindle
i think slayer still makes the key faster in certain comps so i am sticking with it
wintry scroll
guys what's the build for slayer
on the last boss of Seat m+
for the tp strat
is it raid ST ?
balmy kindle
yeah if u tp out swap to raid ST
woven cloak
I haven't played my warrior as DPS in a while, is Arms still ass in high target counts or do they scale a lot better in big AoE for M+ now?
leaden garnet
Eeehhhh Arms is target capped to either 5 or 8, but Colo's bleed damage is uncapped
You'll do more damage to 10 targets than you will to 5, but beyond 10 it starts to become meaningless
woven cloak
So they'll still perform well in groups doing big bear/mw pulls? I assume not as well as an unholy DK or Devourer DH, but still god?
leaden garnet
Arms is ostensibly fifth best DPS currently
You'll do fine
Plenty of Arms representation in 20+ keys
woven cloak
Aug, Unholy, Devourer, Rogue ahead I assume?
True, I guess even though they've been represented in the past, it's a lot more significant now since they aren't so comp dependent it seems
leaden garnet
From memory it's UH/Demo/Devo/Ret, actually
woven cloak
Awesome, thanks for the quick answer
Actually, one more question, do Arms have decent funnel?
rancid robin
Are the sim update with the new patch ?
restive glacier
Just started playing arms for the first time in Midnight (I've played all 3 specs in all content for all of wow). But a question about rotation. At the start of the fight, do I use demolish right away (after ravager/avatar/CS) or always wait for 10 stacks first?
rancid robin
Just started playing arms for the first time in Midnight (I've played all 3 spec...
U always try to presend sweeping strike before the pack start (like before key start). Try to fish ur 10 stacks. Then u ravager -> collosus + avatar then demolish and u start ur rotation
u can also send sweeping strike before any pack, u just need to do it like 10/15 sec before sending collosus otherwise you will not be able to keep good uptime of ur sweepingstrike
restive glacier
Ok, that strat is for keys, what about a raid boss?
rancid robin
Oh raid, i'm not that good in raid but just send everything and press execute perma xd (always play slayer)
restive glacier
I'm trying Colossus Arms for mythic Vanguard
soft sigil
So they'll still perform well in groups doing big bear/mw pulls? I assume not as...
Depends on your comp, arms is not good at bear pulls, so if you are playing with unholy/dev/demo then they will blast you with uncapped aoe. If you are playing with melee or phys comp it's different, the packs will take longer so there's more damage to go around. The way arms catches up to uncapped aoe is its sustained/chained aoe, it's not good at mass aoe once every 90s but it will nuke the 1-2 pulls in between while other classes have no cds available (except demo which is also on a 1m cadence)
ionic mica
I'm trying Colossus Arms for mythic Vanguard
on pull i believe demo is sent straight after cs on mythic vanguard
not done it in a while but that was the play before and thats what the couple of logs i just looked at did
woven cloak
Depends on your comp, arms is not good at bear pulls, so if you are playing with...
Okay interesting. My group is forming up an alt setup where most of us are taking on different roles and trying new things out. I know we'll have a Bear, MW and Aug. If our 5th finally comes back they'll be a warlock. Overall the performance isn't super important since we'll probably cap the group out in the 15-16 range just to mess around.
minor gust
Okay interesting. My group is forming up an alt setup where most of us are takin...
No shaman F
soft sigil
Yeah no shaman is a hard sell, you do get monk buff which makes up some of the difference, I would stick to slayer or play fury
woven cloak
Shaman is that impactful eh?
I've never been a huge fan of Fury personally compared to Arms
soft sigil
Yes, its huge for damage but even more for how the spec feels and plays
foggy hamlet
can i play Slayer arms in every m+ dungeon? or am i greifing?
soft sigil
Slayer can get by without skyfury because it gets more free globals from sudden death and bladestorm lets you generate some rage. Colossus casts a lot more slams and demolish resets the swing timer so it suffers a lot from the poor baseline rage gen
minor gust
can i play Slayer arms in every m+ dungeon? or am i greifing?
Yes slayer is good enough to be played always if that's what you prefer
woven cloak
Is it worth sticking with Arms slayer or is Fury just better at that point?
minor gust
Shaman is that impactful eh?
This meme exists for a reason
minor gust
Same it's always been bad - meh
You are fine to play arms without a shaman if that's what you prefer
Just might not be as fun when you inevitably hit rage starve moments
woven cloak
I would be better going Slayer though? I'm not too pressed on the hero talent selection tbh, and I honestly wasn't the biggest fan of colossus when playing Prot, the forced immobility was always a bit rough, but I assumed it would feel better as arms
hybrid needle
bruv im SO close to making an evoker just to get invites
balmy kindle
This meme exists for a reason
lmao top meme
minor gust
I would be better going Slayer though? I'm not too pressed on the hero talent se...
When it comes to hero talents genuinely pick what's more fun to you. Arms is in a crazy spot rn for M+ where both hero talents are really good. Colo will pump higher overalls due to its aoe and slayer has no problem keeping up with every other spec. You won't be trolling.
woven cloak
Cool. Sounds like if our 5th continues to skip out on the season I'll just try to get Shaman pugs as much as I can
minor gust
Yes shaman is best friend
balmy kindle
blue man best man
minor gust
bruv im SO close to making an evoker just to get invites
Choosing to play aug when you can just play DK or ddh
hybrid needle
the issue with ddh and dk is that youll compete with 50 other ddhs and dks
for aug you compete with 2 max
undone aurora
when is the increased ms damage tuning coming in?
hybrid needle
Yesterday
undone aurora
oh lol
minor gust
for aug you compete with 2 max
Nah there's plenty of aug simps out there you still competing
hasty pumice
undone aurora
beast
hybrid needle
<a:critclap:1257943907598073906>
i want to be you
minor gust
Might as well be when it comes to slayer RNG
I hit 2nd BS with still 3 seconds of CS left
hasty pumice
slayer rng is way too scuffed imo
the diff between
god roll triple SD
vs triple slam
woven cloak
What are the fundamental differences between Slayer and Colossus?
minor gust
slayer rng is way too scuffed imo
Yeah it needs some adjustment it's too silly right now.
Also how many keys did you do a week to accomplish that. I'm over here doing like 3-4 push keys a week still doing 19s 
NA debuff
minor gust
Yeah there's always like triple the highest keys in lfg for EU than NA
reef prairie
time to play EU
I really wish they would just merge the regions
Like how I can play on oce servers
lyric fjord
Can warriors heroic heap back onto the platform in Skyreach on High Sage Viryx boss? The mechanic where you get snatched and dropped off the edge?
hybrid needle
No
minor gust
You need movement that doesn't require pathing like shadow step or dh backflip
minor gust
Yeah
reef prairie
You can weyrnstone
hybrid needle
or pretty much ANYTHING BUT WARRIOR
lyric fjord
Damn. Good to know, thanks
reef prairie
If you have the evil augmentation spec
Ive managed to make a couple phys friends so I get to play a little bit
But otherwise I get to attempt like a single 22 from lfg a day
Fuck this region bwo
reef prairie
There is hope
pearl shore
is there any warrior content for m+ tips and tricks?
like a list for every die by the sword + night elf skips?
wind flicker
A bunch of M+ pushers in my new guild so might be able to get a premade grp
Hugeee
brazen sun
<a:critclap:1257943907598073906>
coach me plz
bold anchor
Whats the latest consensus on the buffs, is it full send coloss in all dungs now
Ive been playing my shaman so not had a chance to test shit myself
hushed hamlet
Both are viable.
bold anchor
Getting hyped to try coloss again
reef prairie
I dont think anything changed with the buffs tbh
AA is prob still a slayer key
And i wouldn't colossus in skyreach unless you're playing funnel on all the bosses
minor gust
Pretty much nothing changed. Still the best outcome of truly play what you prefer or just the whole slayer in AA SR and Colo rest
Up to the player
austere hamlet
is anyone using unhalted unit frames? I cant figure out how to make it show buffs and debuffs on target frame:(
subtle fjord
there is an option in /uuf->target and on the auras tab where you enable buffs/debuffs position etc.
hasty pumice
is anyone using unhalted unit frames? I cant figure out how to make it show buff...
I do
I can show you everything quickly if you want
hasty pumice
when resil 23
Ask Shaihu, not me lmao
hasty pumice
I'd love that if u dont mind
You're starting in 10 right?
hasty pumice
Kk I'll make a quick workout break
austere hamlet
my hero
dim basalt
Shaihu only missing 3 23s damn
lean geode
Large
finite ginkgo
Do we only exe in st als colo with sd Proccs?
hasty pumice
Shaihu only missing 3 23s damn
hybrid scroll
for m+ builds, is the 2 target rotation the same as aoe or nah?
mainly just wondering how high to prio cleave on 2 target
late lantern
Is Skyreach still a slayer key or is it now also Colo after buffs?
dim basalt
for m+ builds, is the 2 target rotation the same as aoe or nah?
Its just ST rota and Cleave with 3 stacks > Slam
hybrid scroll
Is Skyreach still a slayer key or is it now also Colo after buffs?
i would run slayer unless you know your group can take funnel onto bosses
hybrid scroll
Its just ST rota and Cleave with 3 stacks > Slam
ty
its so hard to get used not prioing MS as slayer as someone who was only playing collossus really lol
i feel like i cant do any aoe dmg as slayer
hybrid scroll
idk man just got beat by gdruid 1st pull of SR 21 lol
granted i was playing with UH Devourer so they kinda just kill all the pad but its still rough
minor gust
If you want a good first pull you have to pre stack BS before the key
hybrid scroll
yeah i did prestack lol
minor gust
Just how it is. If you don't it's fine you just catch up
minor gust
yeah i did prestack lol
Oof then you probably were just super unlucky on procs
That moment when you cleave 5 times and don't get a single reap proc
dim basalt
minor gust
hybrid scroll
this was lust window
minor gust
You either proc out your mind and do giga dmg and get two BS in one CS window
hybrid scroll
not too familiar with slayer breakdowns yet so not sure if this is bad proc rng or what
minor gust
Or you get nothing
minor gust
not too familiar with slayer breakdowns yet so not sure if this is bad proc rng ...
SR first pull you went all the way to stairs right?
hybrid scroll
im def pressing MS too much in aoe i think
hybrid scroll
SR first pull you went all the way to stairs right?
yeah
minor gust
Then if you had good RNG reap would probably be higher on that pull
minor gust
im def pressing MS too much in aoe i think
Yeah MS is purely filler in aoe
minor gust
Just be slamming ops and executes in-between cleave cds
hybrid scroll
pressing OP before MS feels wrong lol
ionic mica
if i get mad SD procs on lura do i BS in CS between adds? feels sad to sit on it
dim basalt
if i get mad SD procs on lura do i BS in CS between adds? feels sad to sit on it
I think so yeah
ionic mica
like we dont do a lot to adds anyway
dim basalt
BS is like 50k per tick and reap crits up to 180k
ionic mica
feels odd to hold
minor gust
Other ppl prob blow up crystals so prob just be doing boss dmg is you get BS back way before
P1 is resident sleeper for arms anyways
minor gust
You are afk waiting for p3
ionic mica
p3 waiting room
guess ill pot first cds as well then
in case BS isnt back for the 1min adds
wind hatch
One Lura night is like 8k+
my guild had to increase daily limit to 30k lol
boreal orbit
Just curious, arcane mastery sims highest for me but I see no one uses it. Is there a reason?
Seems like logs have high dmg on arcane mastery too
wind hatch
Just curious, arcane mastery sims highest for me but I see no one uses it. Is th...
link sim
boreal orbit
Running new ones now will link
dim basalt
my guild had to increase daily limit to 30k lol
We dont have have guild repairing :(
zenith warren
you guys play fatality on beloren?
boreal orbit
Ya know, if I only select arcane mastery for weapon enchants that explains a lot.
Silly warrior, sims are for int classes.
But Berserker Rage seems to sim highest now?
Am I sim wrong or should I ignore SIM and do Rendori
minor gust
We dont have have guild repairing \:(
That's omega cursed
wind hatch
But Berserker Rage seems to sim highest now?
yes that's normal
it's what most people use
boreal orbit
When I look on Archon says more using the other enchant
But I will switch! Thank you
minor gust
hey how to use
Umbral Plume??
Umbral plume is a passive the on use just switches from Crit to mastery
boreal orbit
Also my guild says I should use Puzzle Box but I think they are crazy.
Gaze/guildan sims always win
dim basalt
Unless you need the burst for Belo or whatever they can suck dn
boreal orbit
That makes sense.
rare kite
belo would feel so bad for puzzle. my guildies have to use it 8 sec before pull
dim basalt
belo would feel so bad for puzzle. my guildies have to use it 8 sec before pull
Oh right cant do any movement during cast
minor gust
so like 'AOE' or 'Dodge'
Exboss
cedar cairn
Might end up pumping colo, not feeling the rng with slayer
stable fiber
i'm thinking of swapping to improved sweeping strikes on colossus
Honestly it's pretty decent
I think you will get higher overalls with it, just probably a little worse for prio damage
spark mango
i feel like, whats the point of momentum when i end up doing 5 globals without ss anyway
stable fiber
If there is like a 2 target encounter boss
You really want powerful momentum instead
I think in other dungeons though imp sweep probably is better
Like skyreach or algethar
nova marsh
Id rather just drop the node for something else
spark mango
Id rather just drop the node for something else
bad call
stable fiber
Imp sweep is real good as colossus
stiff sinew
as a beginner warrior arms, I choose play slayer in m+, doing 12~14 with my friends. Am I making the group worst by not playing colossus? I'm playing only wiht slayer no matter the dungeon. I feel like with colossus I have to think on another button that I do not need in slayer
solemn turret
Can i have a quick check
on logs, i seems to OP way tio much but i feeel like i got nothing to press or slam
stable mountain
as a beginner warrior arms, I choose play slayer in m+, doing 12~14 with my frie...
no not really lol could help to be colo if you do more funneling
solemn turret
should i wait for MS instead ?
dim basalt
as a beginner warrior arms, I choose play slayer in m+, doing 12~14 with my frie...
Beginner shouldnt touch colossus at all so youre doing the right thing
late lantern
wtf is veteran strikes?
stable fiber
Our ss uptime is already high af
It's high but not 100%
You feel it as colossus idk
late lantern
I teleported out of seat to swap talents but verteran strikes was on cd so i couldnt switch
ionic mica
fury backup moment
either that or dont play veterans vitality in seat but the alternative doesnt do anything sadly
spark mango
You feel it as colossus idk
you definetly feel it as colossus specially when tank can't make up his mine so you can warbreaker and you just moving and hitting with ss
candid garden
Am i screwing myself by playing slayer every key?
stable fiber
Am i screwing myself by playing slayer every key?
no
slayer vs colossus you can play either below 20s
then colossus starts to break away at around the 20 range because tankiness is super important
and the st loss isnt as big anymore as colossus
i still do like 85k st as colossus
atomic mist
Anyone else struggle to get in mythic chim runs, I’ve got ce I’m 280 ilvl just never get taken
Wanna get myth gaze so bad ahaha
atomic mist
Gz
stable fiber
im not really sure what to run either
the boss design is just ass
one of the worst bosses ever made
thick kelp
im not really sure what to run either
do u think
I dealy BS
for after crystals on lura
if I have SD
stable fiber
no
bladestorm is all your crystal damage
sudden death is just a cherry on top
i try to sweep executes off crystals onto the boss
stable fiber
ur dhs are playing wrong talents if they are killing every set btw
they should only blow up 2nd set of crystals now
maybe 3rd
candid garden
whats the second easiest mythic raid boss after chim?
i wanna get an option in the vault
puggable
stable fiber
whats the second easiest mythic raid boss after chim?
first boss of voidspire
well im ngl
thick kelp
ur dhs are playing wrong talents if they are killing every set btw
nvm they r not blowing up any crystals
stable fiber
yeah
thick kelp
bladestorm is all your crystal damage
ahha
stable fiber
yup
stable fiber
a mid pull is ending p1 at like 150k dps
for me
my best has been like 190k i think
thick kelp
Yeah im gonna be checking that after we make it to intermission more than 1 per 50 pulls
stable fiber
really just depends on your crit rng on the first crystal set
you can do 100k or 190k burst for no reason
then the next 2 sets are much more consistent, sd procs do help
stable fiber
if you reck pot on first set you can usually do like 200-220k
but i think thats bad now
reck pot 3rd set and reck pot p4
hasty pumice
guys
stable fiber
nvm they r not blowing up any crystals
they should do no damage to first set, ok damage to 2nd set and do good damage to 3rd set
if playing right
stable fiber
I was potting your timer at 1:13
thats the prog choice i think
thick kelp
they should do no damage to first set, ok damage to 2nd set and do good damage t...
Yeah they r dealing mid dam to all
thick kelp
thats the prog choice i think
idk we wiped like 5 times to 3rd crstals not dying
thick kelp
Sure if u arent p1 simulator
dim basalt
idk we wiped like 5 times to 3rd crstals not dying
We only ever struggled with 2nd
3rd are like 1st for us
stable fiber
yeah our 2nd crystal set was the worst
but ddhs changed to the better talent
so they blow the 2nd set up
reef prairie
I was potting 2nd set and potting p3 lust and it felt pretty good
stable fiber
crazy that spec just plays the same talent build on literally everything
m+ and raid
you dont change a single talent
reef prairie
crazy that spec just plays the same talent build on literally everything
Its so unfair LOL
stable fiber
meanwhile chim arms has like 4 different talent pages you can play
and they are all viable under certain circumstances
but if you are in a pug group you dont know the circumstances
pure st, 2x sweep talents, slayer m+ build, or colossus m+ build
cringe
candid garden
they should make cleave baseline or something
zenith lodge
a mid pull is ending p1 at like 150k dps
how, feel like im mostly getting 140k dps at the end of p1, do you not play with classes that blow the crystals up like windwalker?
stable fiber
how, feel like im mostly getting 140k dps at the end of p1, do you not play with...
i do not play with a windwalker
thick kelp
they should make cleave baseline or something
rare kite
lura is such a fun boss man
pile of gold after a river of shit
zenith lodge
idk, by the time ive had the first tick of the bladestorm most of the crystals are already dead
reef prairie
If we all start tweeting enough we can give the devs even more advice to ignore
stable fiber
so much varience in some of the lura phases on this spec lmao
stable fiber
he should go play crown as a melee
true melee
there is a reason the only true melee spec they played on crown was ret
dim basalt
I wouldnt mind melee downtime if downtime didnt punish us twice as much
stable fiber
and ret is barely a true melee
but if you cant auto attack you are a worthless chud
so
rare kite
got even worse this tier. we not only have uptime for cdr but also uptime for buff extension(through tier set)
dim basalt
or cd reduction if outside of cds
stable fiber
or just flat cdr
dim basalt
At least let us swim in rage again so its not as bad
stable fiber
AM is a bad talent
rare kite
and ret is barely a true melee
yea same with unholy. i see them get obelisks and they just continue pressing things, then there's me with my t-rex hands
reef prairie
12.1 will be our tier
reef prairie
on GOD
stable fiber
hate ts game
rare kite
tbf i think entire voidspire is just garbage. horrible raid
reef prairie
Crown is a good boss if you arent warrior i think
reef prairie
I liked council too honestly
stable fiber
nah
paladins is garbage
awful boss
make a 3t encounter that you only get 3t on for 25% of the time
rare kite
vorasius, fallen king and dragons
even then i don't go "can't wait to do this boss again" i'm just relieved it's not a garbage boss
stable fiber
bad
ionic mica
it might be less damage but a haste reck pot into BS does feel juicy
stable fiber
does that even speed it up
reef prairie
Its faster i think?
dim basalt
BS is way fatser yeah
ionic mica
felt like BL BS
reef prairie
0.6 or 7
dim basalt
thick kelp
Love this guy
my response mhm
dim basalt
cooked him
reef prairie
Smartest twitter user
ionic mica
haste reck pot reduces it by like 1 second
idk what gets me to haste reck, i have 300 more crit than haste xD
350 even
stable fiber
which heart
stable fiber
hunt embellishment?
ionic mica
nah double arcano
late lantern
we take haste or crit as slayer in AA?
ionic mica
im mid lura prog but 1373 crit 1024 haste with 165 crit from flask and mainstat food
can find log of it after raid in 40mins cos im curious xD
should be this pull
idont actually know if it did proc haste but i couldnt think of what else it would be unless i got a load of SD procs but i didnt have any
stable fiber
SD procs dont speed up the channel of the bladestorm
they just make it hit more during the channel
rare kite
idont actually know if it did proc haste but i couldnt think of what else it wou...
you sure it wasn't just your weapon enchant?
rare kite
no i mean the weapon enchant making bladestorm feel faster
ionic mica
yeah tbh i might be misleading you guys and it was the same
lura p1 all blends together
rare kite
yea coz i'm looking at your buffs on the log and can't really find anything that would make reck proc haste
ionic mica
SD procs dont speed up the channel of the bladestorm
ya just hits more in same time so it has faster vibes
ionic mica
ill check this pull
if it wasnt that one it would be pull 21 but i may need to apologise and its nothing xD
nothing else to do in p1 but think about this stuff
stable fiber
this was a crit reck pot
you can tell by ur crit% that it was
70% crit chance on bladestorm
your crit should be around 69%-72% when you snapshot a crit reck pot so that checks out
candid pecan
a mid pull is ending p1 at like 150k dps
I have 2 frost dks, windwalker, ele and enha shaman
no chance
stable fiber
pull 21 was a crit proc as well, your bladestorm still lasted like 4.5-5 seconds
stable fiber
I have 2 frost dks, windwalker, ele and enha shaman
frost doesnt really do crystal damage
but those other 3 do a ton
so its wraps
ionic mica
pull 21 was a crit proc as well, your bladestorm still lasted like 4.5-5 seconds
okay ty for looking, i think im just losing it then 😄
stable fiber
you should sim some gems i think lowkey
ionic mica
for more haste?
stable fiber
interesting
ionic mica
crit more fun to look at essentially so i dont swap it if its close
the fewer non crit MS i see the better
stable fiber
you have like 120 more crit then me and my sim wants more haste
ionic mica
ill do another gem sim after raid and see what it says
stable fiber
gear is identical with the exception of the wedding ring
shadowlands gathering on the gloves
alpha as fuck
ionic mica
okay yeah it wants haste xDhttps://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gZpwFzx8DRABzit9KEZWLu
gems/rings/flask sim
id be scared to haste flask and reck pot tho i cba to aura cancel weapon enchant
zenith warren
do you guys play pure st on beloren?
rare kite
i played broad strokes and powerful momentum on my kill
ionic mica
you have like 120 more crit then me and my sim wants more haste
i can get away with alleria neck perhaps
rare kite
wtf you sim that high as arms? is that with vantus
ionic mica
yeah
rare kite
ok with vantus makes sense
lucid atlas
for colosus how do we funnel correct just go hame with cleave or only use it as filler?
woeful kelp
On cd
rare kite
can get there with vantus as well
umbral gyro
when should I cast puzzlebox what second on timer?
umbral gyro
ty
left shard
soft sigil
Do we have a hard time to get invites with puggs
Depends a lot on your character's qualifications and your region, NA is pretty meta heavy (can't speak to EU) so in high keys (20+) you won't get invited in pugs unless you are signing up to melee/phys comp. For vaulters/non push keys your IO and ilevel matter more than class/spec
misty bridge
What I would give for ravager to get deleted rn
fair tinsel
spark mango
i rather keep ravager and add unhinged to it
zenith warren
big variance is normal on beloren egg phase?
i had one pull with over 10mln dmg but usually below 8mln
just first egg phase, didnt get to 2nd one xd
spark mango
i mean arms is very rng so yeah
zenith warren
btw do augs still screw logs or is it mostly accurate?
latent moss
btw do augs still screw logs or is it mostly accurate?
no idea but i on logs i do less damage than without so
but its also anecdotal from my experience and could be something something
hybrid needle
Do we need Sweeping Strikes up with Demo?
Im 99% sure the first 2 Hits sweep, just the big aoe aka third hit doesnt
You should always have sweep up anyways
latent moss
u should absolutely have sweep up for demo
first 2 hits sweep and do very good damage
silent saddle
is there a reflect spreadsheet for this season?
hybrid needle
bold granite
being bis is so BORING
rare kite
i like it. feels good to be "done"
undone aurora
what would you consider an optimal 4 other specs to go with arms?
onyx gust
+15 key with 150k overall is it good or bad
hybrid needle
slayers is the go only in Academy or you can play in every key
You can play slayer in every key. Col slightly stronger outside of aa and sr
hybrid needle
what would you consider an optimal 4 other specs to go with arms?
Beartank
Monkheal
Enhancer
Hunter
Or
Monktank
Rsham
Ret
Feral
lean geode
No way my guy just said enhance
dire hinge
i'd swap hunter/feral for augvoker personally
hybrid needle
There ARE good enhancers. The chance to find them is just... low
dire hinge
is augvoker good? no
does it "go good with arms"? hell yeah
hybrid needle
It goes good with slayer arms
If you pair an augvoke with col your bosses will be an horrible experience imo
undone aurora
augmenting the wet noodle ur slapping the st boss with
yeah was mainly wondering as when I solo pug I do smth similar to bottom comp
but I have mist monk friend
and I never really know what to ideally look for
bc ik we need skyfury
but most players are ele
ionic mica
pray an enhance turns up, or roll the dice on an ele
hybrid needle
Eles are just enhancers in more useless
ionic mica
asc and then afk for a pack woooo
hybrid needle
Force your friend to play brewmaster, problem solved
undone aurora
I wish my friends were down to make like a coherent comp and actually push past like, 15's
i've tried to make a team with ppl i've met in game but maybe i'm just awkward but it always feels awwakrd
hybrid needle
You can oush past 15 with anything
undone aurora
nah I mean like, my friends don't care to push past 15
if I had it my way we'd be doing 20+
but i'm the only one that is invested enough to do 20s
hybrid needle
But... but... isnt anything else just farming keys out of boredom
undone aurora
well that's the thing, they kinda just push a bit at the start of the season and stop playing lmao
hybrid needle
Just go puglife. Its... fun
stable fiber
No way my guy just said enhance
Enchance is good btw
rare kite
is augvoker good? no
does it "go good with arms"? hell yeah
I don't think it goes well with arms at all honestly
stable fiber
aug was only bad with arms when both hero talents did 0 st
latent moss
idk it reduces my dmg
stable fiber
that is just not true
minor gust
do u have the bis fury profile
when you did belo were you guys holding dmg on P1?
stable fiber
yes
steady sun
Hello im new to arms and just read the guide now i got a quick question. Do i not use demolish outside of colossus smash even tho i have 10 stacks on it and colossus smash has like 15 sec cd left?
minor gust
my 2nd kill was much worse then my first
I tried potting 2nd egg on the kill idk dont think it was worth because how quick 2nd egg goes
stable fiber
i also tried potting 2nd egg
minor gust
Hello im new to arms and just read the guide now i got a quick question. Do i no...
in aoe you would just send it on cd ST hold demo for CS
steady sun
in aoe you would just send it on cd ST hold demo for CS
Alright ty
minor gust
yeah
upper sparrow
@minor gust (in AoE/Slayer) do you try to get 3 stacks of the cleave buff in between cleave casts or just send cleave on cd regardless of stacks
minor gust
send cleave on cd regardless
tranquil swift
does st on col seems any less bad then before? lol
minor gust
3.5% less bad
tranquil swift
i went back to thane and thinking i should of stayed colo haha
fringe leaf
Thane better pure st than Colo though
graceful light
best algethar buff for arms?
rugged olive
Hello, can any1 point me in the direction of col rotation for first pulls, like should i stack col first and then send it or send it b4 or after cleave spam that sort of things. Thanks!
rustic fern
stack then send
Bizentein has a video from a few weeks back that is slightly dated but still mostly accurate
rugged olive
nice, thanks
rustic fern
Should never send it without 10 stacks
safe tundra
best algethar buff for arms?
crit
safe tundra
probably depends on your stats a little bit, makse sense haste for slayer though. i kinda always just take crit cayuse i know its good
silent pumice
been trying to pick up slayer Arms coming from fury. mostly got the ST rotation down. Is anyone able to help me out with multi-target? my dmg is always dog shit
slow flame
yo how accurate is the wowhead prio for colossus
griefer just send cleave on cd
and make sure u always got sweepin
cleave -> op
silent pumice
I feel like im doing that, but im grey parsing in 18s
balmy kindle
Vers is bad
nova marsh
You say GG on both and go farm the ones from Spire
But probally just emberborn cuz at least it has heavy crit. Idk sim it
slow saddle
Vers is bad
Would u say it isnt as versatile as u expected?
modest marlin
would y'all deal with the cast times for Puzzle Box for 300 dps?
sage badge
Say no to puzzle box
modest marlin
sadly no myth gaze yet, that's just hero
modest marlin
To the no no
Made me listen to Hell to the No from Glee lol.
sadly my main's raid progress doesn't show on rio so peopel can't see my main's mythic chim kills
balmy kindle
Hero gaze over PB all day
balmy kindle
Would u say it isnt as versatile as u expected?
Imo this stat needs to be more useful or just removed
modest marlin
I'm gonna be sad when they nerf gaze by 25% on 12.1 launch