arms

[undone aurora]

I beat my last season best Rio score tho I’m pretty proud of that

[reef prairie]

Can funnel easy in most dungeons without doing cringe shit

[novel raven]

sure, but the point here is on colo warrior you can actually have supreme or any other insane player on the class get the "standard" funnel

and get gapped by 20 other players getting the FULL funnel

[reef prairie]

Im just making a point to help him do more in his keys

If he hasnt been doing so already

[novel raven]

sure, i def just went on a tangent

[undone aurora]

To be fair I probs should ask my tanks to do funnel I don’t really ask them to change their route lol

[reef prairie]

Groups in 19s and 20s are not doing full degen funnel shit

[undone aurora]

I usually look at their route but more just so I know what to expect

[reef prairie]

Yes, literally just ask for funnel

[ionic mica]

if your current 4p includes gloves, and you do a topgear sim without an alternative tier piece to make a new 4p, any gloves you try to compare will be horrible as you are losing the 4p bonus

voidclaw will almost certainly be better than tier gloves if you have 4p in the other slots

[cunning smelt]

funny that I tried to do that and it still ended up saying that I will lose 1,3k dps by equiping those

[ionic mica]

can you link the sim?

would be curious to see what it is doing

[cunning smelt]

probably gonna take a guess that my crafted items have something to do with this cuz I have haste and mastery on them

[dim basalt]

The question is why do you expect the gloves to be good in an aoe sim?

They have never been part of the BiS list iirc so certainly it shouldnt be surprising theyre not simming more than alternatives

Especially in aoe where stats will matter more than a random low damage ST proc

[cunning smelt]

simming ST right before u mentioned that

[dim basalt]

Dont expect much of a gain if anything

[cunning smelt]

hope I do

[dim basalt]

Theyre not that great if you dont have the neck

So

[cunning smelt]

anything but the crit vers cloak

[cunning smelt]

The neck from pit?

[minor gust]

Alleria neck

Either way seat gloves are incredibly minor gain for ST

Using my own character as an example they were only a 250 DPS gain in ST over same ilvl Crit haste gloves. And aoe of course it's a decent loss

[silver stag]

is unhinged together with sweeping strikes not working? i keep noticing it on lura progress

[minor gust]

You cannot sweep unhinged

[silver stag]

was this always the case? my bad

[minor gust]

It wasn't for like 2 weeks in TWW beta but yeah been like that for awhile

[silver stag]

ty

[radiant mirage]

Dungeon route (not slice) simming any good for arms?

[thick kelp]

relies on the same thing as dslice

so no

[radiant mirage]

what would be the best way to sim for m+? 5 min 1 boss and 5 min 5 boss?

[thick kelp]

think u are in a dungeon

how many mobs are u fighitng

for how long

[minor gust]

Simming for M+ is always gonna be taken with a grain of salt but just do a St and aoe sim and set the time to your avg kill time. For most 3 min ST 40-1min aoe

[thick kelp]

and sim patchwerk

[latent pasture]

guys, gonna do vaelgor and ezzorak mythic soon, and I have a question : if I can't pad a lot on the adds, do I stick to colossus or do I go a 2 target slayer build (or maybe a build similar to slayer dungeon) ?

[lone yarrow]

colo > slayer on mythic dragons regardless if you pad on orbs or no

[latent pasture]

ok thanks 👍

[rose matrix]

I faction changed from Orc to Night Elf

I feel like I have sinned

[reef prairie]

I love meld

[desert briar]

Who of you said after 20 there is more phys groups

[hybrid needle]

Yep, thats the same experience i got

[desert briar]

Tbh I think i cba. 20 resil should be 1% end of season i hope

[hybrid needle]

on NA? Probably
on EU? Probably not

[dim basalt]

Maybe with 1-2 21s

[hybrid needle]

We still have a while for S1, we still have sporefall and we will still see a bunch of high end sellruns late in the season

3780 already is cutoff, resi 20 is like.. 3890? It most likely goes past that until the end

[rose matrix]

It's even better when the phys comp groups take Ret over warrior too

[desert briar]

Unlucky. Time to run my own key again i guess

[minor gust]

Surprise surprise the higher you go in the pugging community more and more meta specific it becomes

Who coulda guessed

[hasty pumice]

@latent moss yo

minus the lura ring and ignoring the ST sim for ring set bonus

i think

im kinda full bis on colo

[latent moss]

i mean lowk full bis

i dont think lura ring is good

for colo

[hasty pumice]

vibing

[latent moss]

maybe it is idk

i rolled npx twice today

got both rings lol

[queen jewel]

how's colo feeling for you lot? i still think i prefer slayer in most keys ngl

[onyx gust]

only way to get those trinket in myt track is from mythic raid right?

[minor gust]

Gg game refuses to give me the haste mastery one next week I get it guaranteed

[minor gust]

Yes but it's also from bosses that are easy to pug at this point

[onyx gust]

I’ll be kinda bis just missing trinkets 😭

[latent moss]

dw game refuses to give me rage in execute

did u see the ss

i was doing more damage outside of exe

👍

[minor gust]

xD I've had that happen to me on voarsius too. But game blessed me with a rank 3 parse last night

Helped this time got some add pad in execute

[latent moss]

2 weeks in a row

i get 0 rage in exe

[minor gust]

And this is why I say it's impossible to balance rage with current arms design. Too many rng levers out of your control.

Just give up and let rage be meaningless like in df and TWW or actually rework the spec completely

[wind flicker]

I gave up on raiding

[rare kite]

we getting there

[wind flicker]

takes too much time

[ionic mica]

i was gonna say remove rage and make our limitation the cd of abilities, but then idk what they do with exe

[untold vault]

So is it colossus all the way or still slayer in AA and skyreach?

[rare kite]

maybe slayer in AA. rest col

[latent moss]

not uncommon

same for me

[wind flicker]

I loved it

But man if you're not clearing it in a good pace it can drag so long

But too high raiding requires like 4-5 day commitment

And tbh keys are more fun anyways hehe

[minor gust]

Yeah if it was up to me I prefer a more creative full rework. My idea was turn rage for arms into a ddh style mechanic and tie it with a CD. So everything generates rage like fury. Build full rage pop a CD that steroid buffs you but instead of trying to maintain for as long as possible like ddh it just slowly decays. Something simple and satisfying. Can do a lot of interesting things with that. Like certain CDs that only work in rage mode or something or other unique effects.

[rare kite]

full on arms rework and fury apex rework. the dream

[minor gust]

Yeah rework fury apex back to how it was on beta

[soft parrot]

i feel like i actualy kinda do damage in st with colossus now

well, still nothing compared to like actual meta specs, but like at least it isn't tank damage anymore XD

[ionic mica]

im in

sign me up

[slate dagger]

Does Bloodlust's 30% haste count toward Reck pot's snapshot the same way Hunt / Lura / Guidon / Berserker Rage do? Asking because pot-on-pull + lust-on-pull would push crit-stat builds into a haste roll if so.

[nova marsh]

Irrc pot is based off of rating

Not %

So no

[slate dagger]

Very helpful, thank you!

[nova vessel]

After 3 weeks bonus rolls it’s here finally got it 😂

[nova marsh]

HAMMER

[nova vessel]

My crit is shit tho 😔

[wind flicker]

nice shadowlands mog though ngl

[nova vessel]

Everyone uses it 😂😂 I still like it tho

Are the gloves that good tho?? The seat ones?? Haste mastery just for that dumb proc

Got them in the vault

[thick kelp]

Good for raid

bad for keys

u want these ones from Spire for keys

[fossil root]

HC raiding is about 1-2 evenings per week. Max.

[nova vessel]

I had crafted hands

So for keys it’s dog??

[dim basalt]

And it's very far from high raiding lol

[thick kelp]

Not dog but not the bestest

gives u some extra boss dam ig

[nova vessel]

I will just rock them for now I guess until I get the option to swap out

[reef prairie]

I don't think hes talking about heroic man lol

[wind flicker]

Im talking about mythic ^^

[fossil root]

Nah. Not worth it. Hard pass.

[thick kelp]

Hc prog raiding might be the most worthless time spent in this game

[stable fiber]

^

my guild still hasnt killed heroic lura

[sour compass]

how much haste/crit u guys have without buffs?

[stable fiber]

991 crit 1065 haste

[thick kelp]

Bro

why is Lura p1 like this

[stable fiber]

wdym

[thick kelp]

I am not playing the game

[stable fiber]

oh

yeah

[thick kelp]

I am payphoning thru

waiting for crystal carriers to learn

[dim basalt]

That's almost every encounter as melee without an immunity tbf

At least the glaives aren't fully deterministic so you need to pay a little attention

[wind hatch]

enjoy p3 waiting room

[wind flicker]

Thats why u dont raid bro

[thick kelp]

Atleast my spec does dam in p3

[ionic mica]

actual p3 waiting room for us to come online

o there it is 😄

[dim basalt]

Idk I fall asleep on heroic even in prog

[stable fiber]

also like mythic raiding is the most worth it activity in this game if you are talking like gear wise

[dim basalt]

That completely depends on how good your class is

You can confirm

[wind flicker]

To be fair the bonus rolls really did a good job countering that

[minor gust]

the guild im trialing for never killed Lura on heroic. Just mythic xD

[wind flicker]

I dont think it's ever been this easy to be equally geared as raiders

[wind hatch]

same lol

[dim basalt]

I hope they bring back bonus rolls

[wind flicker]

Definitely a fan too

[wind hatch]

i do like bonus rolls a lot but they feel a little strong

perhaps thats just because I got insanely lucky tho

[minor gust]

bonus rolls is a fine middle ground if they really dont like us just buying gear with dinar

[minor gust]

I cant get the npx haste mastery ring gotta wait till I can guaranteed get it next week

[dim basalt]

Bonus rolls are way better that dinars when it comes to general gear

Even more so for alts

[minor gust]

mostly alts yeah

just grab all ur rolls and go live in dungeons while you farm crests

[wind flicker]

Problem with dinar is u still gotta raid

Right now you dont

[hybrid needle]

Thats cap. Both bis trinks are from raid

[minor gust]

still gotta raid if u need trinkets but yeah bonus rolls help you get a ton of myth track loot

[ionic mica]

and bonus rolls you can get a wider variety of items

from keys and more slots

[wind flicker]

You dont HAVE to perse

[dim basalt]

Dungeon alternatives are strong enough

[wind flicker]

In general

Not just as warrior

[wind flicker]

and this too

[ionic mica]

even if you wanted raid loot, pray its like this season and the good trinkets are puggable bosses 😄

[midnight mural]

Do you have any responsabilities other than not dying in p1? 🙂

[thick kelp]

I have a kick

[wind hatch]

i dont even have a kick lol

im just dodging glaives

[thick kelp]

I am also voluntarily sniping seeds with my leap

if someone is too slow

[dim basalt]

Im back up kick but have to do it often enough

[hybrid needle]

I either roll for solarflare now to upgrade my heroic heart or... idk, wherever fury rolls gear ig

[clever crag]

think Im gloves and NPX ring from BIS BIS

[hybrid needle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2o8WvhBYpKMZogKPzVYZXr

[copper swan]

i'm think i am top tier target audience for those rolls lmao, starting this season i jsut wanted to max heroic for full set and then just do smthg else because waiting each week for 3 random M+ slots since i don't do mythic raid was annoying. It got me wanting to play more gg

[rose matrix]

Kinda surprised the NPX rings are better for me in Colossus even in AoE over the ring from Pit

[copper swan]

💪

They may need to revitalize raids though

[rich kernel]

if i were to want the most bursty warrior dps possible for nuking normal dungeons to help a friend with leveling, would i go arms or fury? and which hero spec?

[stable fiber]

id go thane fury

not reliant on prestacking anything, you just push cooldowns and go

also can aoe in a big circle instead of a frontal

[rich kernel]

ok, fury question then, is a 298 1h and hero 1h better than 2 champ 2handers?

[stable fiber]

go 2 champ 2 handers

idk sim question but i think 1 handers are dead

like 95% sure

[fresh spire]

pretty sure they gut reasons to ever use 1 handers in fury now

[minor gust]

nah double dagger fury build still owns

[fresh spire]

[onyx gust]

is it worth to void upgrade this shyt? or try to drop hero track trinket

[lime solar]

cant upgrade champion trinkets

only hero and myth

[onyx gust]

so thats answer for my question then

thanks

[mellow ore]

Gm

[barren ivy]

Ladies, gentlefolk and everything in between how are ya this evening?

[mortal crag]

wait ok

whats the discussion

cone

most omegabad take u ever had

[hasty pumice]

you realise this was over a day ago

[mortal crag]

no

i dont

now i do

[hasty pumice]

[minor gust]

xD

[mortal crag]

bro u

directly

sent it to me

and said "go to this discussion"

[hasty pumice]

not my issue you cant read

[mortal crag]

warrior btw

[hasty pumice]

i never said respond to it

[mortal crag]

like u can read

bro acts like he reads better than me just cuz he got glasses in his pfp

[hasty pumice]

i just wanted you to have a chuckle

[mortal crag]

okay

https://klipy.com/gifs/bruh-bro-11

[atomic mist]

How’s the buffs feeling boys

[mortal crag]

like it doesnt do anything

its 4% to st

[hasty pumice]

https://gifconvert.vxtwitter.com/convert.avif?url=https://video.twimg.com/tweet_video/HFKAkF3XkAAdJ4g.mp4

good

arms strong

[atomic mist]

Ain’t managed to play yet

Do we just use colossus every dungeon now?

[copper swan]

https://tenor.com/view/cardano-ada-moon-flag-landing-gif-20223919

[mortal crag]

u can yes

[atomic mist]

Roger that

[onyx gust]

well not bad i think

lost 2 rolls sadly

wtf really plume 263 is better than box 276?s

[haughty adder]

Hello everyone im new to this discord, is there any posts regarding the fact that orc arms warriors have no impact sounds on abilities? There was a wowhead forum post about it with a blue post on it but its been weeks and I still have no impact sounds

[uncut lagoon]

Change to female

Fixes it

Just one of the many random problems this expansion

[ionic mica]

passive trinket very nice for a spec that doesnt really burst

[onyx gust]

tahts weird

[haughty adder]

is that a meme answer or are you saying change to female and change back

[onyx gust]

gotta drop plume or gaze on hero track then

[wind hatch]

orc female sounds work, male sounds dont

[haughty adder]

i figured as much, so basically i should go pound sand

[wind hatch]

yeah it sucks

[sour compass]

guys, u ever cast cleave on less than 3 targets or just have sweeps up and do ST rotation? in M+ colossus

[wind hatch]

generally in 2T you just do your single target rotation with ss

you can use cleave as a filler over slam if you have 3 stacks of collat but thats the only time you press it

[sour compass]

so from 3+ targets you just add cleave to it or it becomes highest prio?

ok

[wind hatch]

in 3+ targets you follow the aoe rotation

where cleave is highest priority

[sour compass]

ic ty

[sand prairie]

Can reflect green puddles in academy?

[open ingot]

Why is slarms performing better then slayer fury on lura

[stable fiber]

way better execute

aka its boss damage is far better in general

[open ingot]

Is there a damage amp in the later phases?

[stable fiber]

yes

p3 and p4 are both a damage amp

p3 is a execute damage amp, pretty sure arms does the most dps out of all the specs in that phase

frost dk is close

p4 is fdk and arms

[open ingot]

Shit

Aight guess ill start stating for arms

How much amp is it do you know

[stable fiber]

100%

well

what it does is it duplicates the damage you do

so just 2x

[open ingot]

Ahh k i see

[stable fiber]

then p4 is i think 3x damage and a giant haste buff

i dont actually know lmao

but i do around 4x my normal dps in that phase

[open ingot]

Ill have to have a look at execute prio but i imagine its still exec precision stack the ms

[stable fiber]

in raid yes

[open ingot]

But cheers good to know will make the switch

[stable fiber]

fury is only good in p1

then it falls off

[open ingot]

Yeh it felt better then arms in p1

Adds die so fast

Cant full bs them

But saw in logs arms was doing well so assumed there was a later phase amp

[main adder]

what is causing my cleave button to light up on my cdm sometimes while I'm in ST

[wind hatch]

are you hitting another target with sweeping strikes

[haughty adder]

yeah itll happen on the emissary if youre in m+

[main adder]

I was in a delve killing the last boss, there might have been an add pop up

is there a talent that suddenly makes cleave glow?

[wind hatch]

collateral damage

[main adder]

oh dope!

so it probably stacked to 3 and lit up

[dire hinge]

yup, dont worry about pressing it in Single Target, but you can press it when lit in 2+ targets

[main adder]

Okay cool, so even at 3 stacks it's not worth for 1

[dire hinge]

Luckily that's correct, cleave is finally dead in single target 🙏

[main adder]

Glad y'all mains don't have to deal with that anymore 😄

[dire hinge]

tbh i didn't really pay it much attention beforehand either. I'd just press it during Ravager, but even that's dead now

[main adder]

I'm having so much fun leveling as slayer

moreso than colossus, but im hoping that once ive gotten comfy with slayer the other spec will feel a bit more natural

[latent moss]

colo is an acquired taste

[latent moss]

u dont wanna know

[minor sky]

A little confused here, Archon has all the top builds running Colossus, but IV recommends Slayer in all content

[latent moss]

18 lines of priority

to do tank dmg

sometimes below tank damage

on st

[latent moss]

slayer is better for pugging

colo is just better if u can get funnel on bosses

[minor sky]

Ah

[latent moss]

slayer only beats colo on st

colo beats slayer at prio damage and 2t+

[hasty pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-chuni-sleep-gif-20108376

[latent moss]

colossus cleave is just

a monster

[minor sky]

So for keys wouldnt Colossus be better in general since AoE damage is more valuable than ST in keys?

[latent moss]

not much to it

[latent moss]

bad st can int keys

and colo st is quite bad

[wind hatch]

you can play either and do good tbh

[latent moss]

also true

[minor sky]

Is one significantly easier to play than the other?

[latent moss]

yes

slayer is a lot easier

[minor sky]

I will probably start there until I get more comfortable then

[latent moss]

smart decision

no one should start with colo if they are new

very fast way to drop the spec

[minor sky]

Well, the plus side as far as colossus goes is that Im a prot main, so I do have some experience with the hero tree, just not as arms

[latent moss]

i dont have much experience with colo prot but i played it idk when was it

tww s2 or s3 i dont remember

it was like

vastly better than thane

brutal vitality press ip once spam revenge and it keeps ip up

[minor sky]

Yeah it hasnt been better than Thane for a while haha

for prot

[latent moss]

but colo arms is quite different

[main adder]

ngl i did exactly that. Came back to it fortunately and gave arms a try with slayer instead. Crazy how much changes between the 2

"feels" changes at least

[latent moss]

yeah

[main adder]

I really like execute. The last time i played warrior was in shadowlands and just in pvp and I was just absolutely mashing that vampire execute charge thing

condemn?

[cedar cairn]

Is the battlelord setup viable as well? Kind of getting tired of the execute spam and some groups don’t like to target one mob down to 35% as much as others

[ashen night]

is +14 like the elo hell? i get either tanks with horrible routes or dds that die left and right and are below tank in dmg (or both)

[main adder]

LOTS of dps can be carried kicking and screaming to 14 somehow

I get dudes pulling 65k overall in those keys when im healing sometimes

[near radish]

I'm at 16s aand even here is pretty bad lol

[rose matrix]

16 is 3400 range right?

Anything that is in range of that achievement is going to be bad

[dire hinge]

that's about the range where kicks/interrupts/mechanics start to matter and it can be a bit of an awaking to a lot of folks

[rose matrix]

A lot of really bad players that normally brute force 3k are now doing the same for 3.4k

[native obsidian]

I never get what's supposed to be so different and hard about colo arms, you press colo smash, you don't press execute, you save ravager for aoe and spam cleave

It's not too different than slayer

[tulip gust]

You have big damage abilities that can miss. Also Demolish gets you in some precarious spots at times

Add in that CDs tend to desync and it’s sorta harder IMO

[undone aurora]

whats the gist of how slarms works in m+? I've not much practice in it but I felt like my BS wasn't lining up with CS that well

[native obsidian]

That's true the CDs are more all over the place

[latent moss]

more minmaxing

[dire hinge]

BS and CS use two entirely different cooldown mechanics. CS is lowered by spending rage. Bladestorm is lowered very randomly when casting Sudden Death. This means they're going to naturally desync, unfortunately.

If your BS comes back up, hold it for your next CS, unless CS is already applied

[undone aurora]

so basically send CS whenever up but hold BS for CS

[open ingot]

How is arms playing in st raid wise are you sending ava > cs > bs
Then sending cs when it comes back up
Back to holding for ava > cs > bs again?

[nova marsh]

Dont hold for ava

Never hold cs

Think of cs like ur cd checkpoint

If u have a cd, you send it with cs

[open ingot]

So you hold other cds for cs not other way round?

So if bs comes up i hold it until my next cs comes up?

[nova marsh]

Yes

[open ingot]

Cheers

[livid plume]

Heya whats verdict for running colo in raids now after the buffs? Just asking because im switching over from Outlaw and just generally love colo. How far behind is it in boss ST compared to slayer? Sorry but I can't find an answer anywhere

[nova marsh]

For boss st its not even worth a mention

Its still horrendous st, colo is almost strictly an aoe spec

Lucky for you, we're in a cleave tier and at least mythic dragons and paladins are pretty good for colo

[main adder]

We do hold bs for cs tho?

[random trout]

we palying slayer in sky reach still?

[stable sapphire]

Biz did a cpl skyreaches as colo this morning I didnt get to watch all of it tho can maybe check the VoD

[nova marsh]

Thats what I said?

[main adder]

I'm asking, not arguing

[nova marsh]

Oh

Then yes

Hold basically evreything but demo for it

[sacred summit]

does haste ever outweight crit for us? i currently have 1104 cr and 1035 haste (buffed) on sims its quite similar

i thought crit would always exceed haste in value since we are so rage starved so we can only cast so much and crit makes us do big dam

at least colo is almost always rage starved in ST and slayer is pretty rage starved in execute phase

[slow flame]

yo is arms slayer better than fury

for m+

[tawdry sphinx]

Is there a rule of thumb of when to start aoe damage rotation when the tank initially pulls and starts gathering packs? I feel like I'm losing damage uptime by waiting too long to start smashing my cleave button but I don't want to rip aggro

(also M+)

[slow flame]

just send it bro

[tawdry sphinx]

[graceful light]

Is this priority list still correct for the Slayer M+ build on single target? I'm running critical thinking, massacre, and stance mastery instead of battlelord and crushing force.

[stable fiber]

this is the prio list for the m+ slayer build

excluding all the cooldowns

[slow flame]

so keeping up rend is not even a prio

dang i been doing it wrong

[stable fiber]

as slayer not really

but i like to get it up when i cant really use cleave or else ill pull threat

its free damage

as colossus you still want to keep rend up because it needs more rage

[graceful light]

gotcha, thanks. Isn't overpower higher prio than MS outside of exe though?

[stable fiber]

imo i think that part isnt full right, it should be more like

heroic strike
sudden death
(if you have 2 charges of overpower) overpower
mortal strike
(if you have 1 charge of overpower) overpower
rend
slam
.

during colossus smash though id use MS over overpower

this spec has too many niche slight little rotation changes

its annoying

meanwhile ddh has the same rotation in aoe and st

[graceful light]

I agree lol I guess just pressing something is better than downtime but gotcha thanks

[main adder]

It's crazy how perfect Pit of Saron is for bonus rolling an arms alt

crit/haste all over the place

and waepon too

[stable fiber]

6 of the items from that dungeon are true bis

1 is almost bis

1 sucks

its pretty good yeah

[main adder]

considering i don't plan to raid at all, what a treasure trove

[slow flame]

what about cds

do u always save bs for warbreaker

or only avatar with cs

bs off cd

[stable fiber]

this is also different from raid to m+ lmao

because you get way more BS cdr in m+

[slow flame]

only m+

coudlnt give 2 fuck about raid

[stable fiber]

in m+ you only send BS with CS

if it lines up with avatar then gj

[slow flame]

oki ^^

[stable fiber]

and also only avatar with CS

[slow flame]

thank you king

[viral fiber]

How are we feeling after buff still slayer on AA and SR?

[wind hatch]

i am FINALLY getting some good p3 pulls on lura

feels so good

[torn needle]

is there any way to escape or avoid the bird grab in last boss of Skyreach?

[sharp flame]

anyone holding SD procs for crystals aoe?

on lura*

[onyx gust]

should i work more on haste or crit? raidbot not telling me shit

[wind hatch]

yes

if you get a sd proc a couple seconds after the interrupts spawn

you can hold it and it’ll last long enough for you to use after bladestorm

[balmy kindle]

Just let robot guide you don't over think it

[slow flame]

Is colossus the move on all keys now or nah

[onyx gust]

idk where to look at it

droptimizer?

to check with stat should i chase

[viral fiber]

This I been asking no reply

[rose matrix]

It's probably the best on all besides AA if you get proper funnel

Seat and Spire you can swap specs at the end for more ST on the last bosses

[languid torrent]

fuck belo man

is the way to parse that meaning you just basically have to 3 target cleave the whole time/

[rare kite]

Maybe not AA. the rest for sure

[onyx gust]

as slayer can i dream of 18+?

or that wont happen till i swap to awful vomiting demolish

[lapis osprey]

hi all i need a guide for arms in raid, plz if annyone know, and a pov

[grand sapphire]

yes, why wouldnt you?

you still play 22 aa and skyreach as slayer anyway

[minor gust]

19 MC as slayer

@latent moss had a fucking insane first pull btw on that 19 MC my first ever 2 BS in one CS

insane procs out my mind

[lean geode]

that's unethical

[minor gust]

legit hit 2nd BS with 3 sec left on CS

I sent that bitch

disgusting

[tidal mulch]

So...is there currently an issue with Deep Wounds not applying?

[minor gust]

be a little more specific

[onyx gust]

cool to see taht number

i never gonna hit that

but nice toi know is possible

[rare kite]

i bet this is another case of someone thinking slam applies it no matter what

[tidal mulch]

It's not

[rare kite]

okok i'm very curious now

[tidal mulch]

So, for example, I have talented into Decimator

[minor gust]

its a bit propaganda because its not a completed run xD but yes Slayer still does great damage and if its something you rather play over colo you can very much time high keys with it

[tidal mulch]

And the tooltip states that the final hit applies Deep Wounds at 100% effectiveness.

There are a couple other talents that mention applying deep wounds. But it never appears as an active bleed on a target.

[minor gust]

think default nameplates hides DW

because theres no reason to track it

so thats likely it look at the mob debuffs

when you target it

[hybrid needle]

Platynator and PlaterNameplates both hide deepwounds in the Bars aswell

[onyx gust]

i mean im such a no hander with colo XD

slayer is my best

so far 170k oveall is pb

but still i think lack of dmg kills my run

[minor gust]

whats the key level? either way yeah 100k is pretty damn low

[onyx gust]

13 pos

with 280 ilvl

thats why i dont touch colo

[viral fiber]

Why SR? Pugs never bring funnel for bosses

[onyx gust]

i just dont get the cooldown cut

[minor gust]

proper comp buffs tho really add up, but if dmg is low and you are confident in your button priorities. Then most comon problems people have is general wow mechanics such as uptime, positioning and CD usage.

[onyx gust]

i wasnt confident at all

i was like tf is going on with that spec

[minor gust]

its not much different than slayer tbh

its just dealing with demo and rav

[onyx gust]

well i dont get that part with cutting demolish CD

sometimes i see -10s

[minor gust]

send that bitch on CD

just send it especially if you are in aoe

if things feel overcomplicated then simplify it

just send on CD dont think

[rare kite]

invis skip for last boss seems more common now, but i guess if pugs aren't bringing funnel stay slayer. i think skyreach is significantly less risky to bring funnel into bosses than algethar(for the bosses you can)

[onyx gust]

well i need to do some 10's to learn that spec

but is it worth tho? need to question my self

[viral fiber]

I feel miserable as slayer on AA 1st pull and 1st boss

Below guardians sometimes

[minor gust]

tbh learn in like 15s and 16s if you are already comfy with those key levels. Things actually live a bit and is a more real key scenario. you really arent gonna build any positive habbits in a 10 even 12

[onyx gust]

some 16 i dont have at slayer timed

xD

[rare kite]

1st boss we're pretty decent at. 1st pull yea... you're just there for the prio damage

[viral fiber]

What your dps on 1st pull mine seems 350-400k

[rare kite]

not done an algethar in forever hahah. i basically raidlog atm, not a fan of this season

[minor gust]

ive been having a blast doing keys this season

[wind hatch]

i've timed 20s and my aa is a 15

[minor gust]

warrior good and I like almost all the dungeons

[onyx gust]

i never been so overwhelmed in my life than this season and expansion tbh

with warrior

[wind hatch]

i only do keys if somebody messages me asking to lol

but I do really enjoy them

[rare kite]

i think i'm too angry at the raid to enjoy keys. probably will stop now that we're on lura tho, voidspire utterdogshit garbage ass raid

[minor gust]

you really feel the caster shrink from TWW and Midnight. I feel like every key is kind of a chill vibe

[wind hatch]

true

reminds me of how crazy priory was

10000 casters every pull

[minor gust]

4 spam bolters in 1 pull

1 bolt go off someone is dead

gg

[rare kite]

ruby life pools holy moly(yes i know that was df)

[grand sapphire]

you can do 150k actual single target to that first boss, and you should be topping vile lasher damage

let guardian pad on the small lashers

[nova marsh]

JUST IN TIME TO BRING IT BACK FOR S2

[rare kite]

i'd be down. would be an insane key for col

[minor gust]

they remake RLP they have to remove like half the mobs from it

and replace with non casters

[nova marsh]

Maybe change dragons too

[rare kite]

rlp was my first 20 in df somehow

[viral fiber]

Ok my job is just kill vile let others pad

[grand sapphire]

correct

and that's what arms does to 1st boss

given you utilise mouseover execute on the tree and small adds

[minor gust]

yee anyone who flames you for first pull AA they are stupid because you are doing the dmg that matters and thats killing Lashers as fast as possible so your tank doesnt die

[rare kite]

i keep waiting for them to bring us like a really really bad set of dungeons and i can just skip that season. temple of sethralis,toldagor, spires of ascension. idk the last one maybe uldaman but that one is personal

[nova marsh]

Temple, toldagor, spires and lets throw in necrotic wake just to fuck with us

OH WAIT NO

SANGUINE DEPTHS

[balmy kindle]

Please not spire of ascension again

[nova marsh]

Okay so you want plaguefall back instead

[rare kite]

i am in the small amount of people that liked sanguine depths(after it got nerfed)

[balmy kindle]

Shadowland had a ton of utter shite dungeons

Some good ones to but the shite ones were really bad

[nova marsh]

Alright take that

But so many bad dungeons

Best were okay ones like halls

Literally if blizz ever just said fuck it and put 4 shadowlands dungeon in i wouldnt play

De other side, spires...

[rare kite]

we've had most of the slands dungeons recently. de other side,plaguefall,sanguine depths and spires are remaining

[nova marsh]

Oh

So all of the really shit ones

Perfect, throw them all in one set!

[neon wigeon]

on bosses you vantus do you still reck pot

[rare kite]

you can sim it

[wind hatch]

for me the answer is still yes but always sim it for yourself cus its pretty close

[rose matrix]

Is there a chance death recaps can be wrong?

I died first pull of AA because I got a Vile Bite for some reason with the tank alive

Then the rogue in my group said I lied and that the log showed me dying to a leap

[nova marsh]

Yes actually

Death recaps dont show your own

They show whoever died most recently irrx

[rose matrix]

I even had the personal aura from BigWigs pop up with the tank hit before I went from 100% to dead

[nova marsh]

How early into the pull

[rose matrix]

At the end the tank was kiting

[rare kite]

they are wrong all the time. i've had it say i died to ebon might several times in raid

[rose matrix]

Idk man I am certain I ate a Vile Bite

If the tank is too far away will it target a close melee?

[dark coyote]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/31YHTD4kdmzPpRJQ?fight=23

my Slayer Arms DPS is insanely low.
Can any Arms Warrior pros tell me if my rotation is the problem or if I’m messing something else up? Please 😭

Could you guys check my logs while ignoring the death counts?
I’m trying to figure out why my DPS barely scales compared to other people. When I watch good Arms Warrior players on YouTube, their DPS just keeps climbing like crazy, but mine feels completely stuck.
I honestly can’t tell if it’s my rotation, uptime, positioning, or something else. Any experienced Arms Warrior players able to take a look and help me out? 🙏

[sterile owl]

Do I press cleave on 2t cleave like duo in spire?

[wind hatch]

only time you ever press cleave is if you have 3 stacks of collateral damage as a filler over slam

otherwise you just do your st rotation

[sterile owl]

kk ty 😄

[rare kite]

i don't even know if we do that anymore as col after the buff

[wind hatch]

might be close but im pretty sure we do

pretty small optimization though

[rare kite]

hmh slam 20.4k tooltip, cleave 16.8k plus 75% so 29.4. but slam has higher crit rate, applies deep wounds if crit and has a chance to proc hs

[nova ravine]

Slarms 10 spire, should i be using more OP on larger packs or continue to focus on removing the more dangerous mobs?

[steep escarp]

What button does your heart want to press?

[nova ravine]

execute

[steep escarp]

Good man.

OP should be higher though

[nova ravine]

tbf i killed a pack or two only using cleave and SD procs

like back to back SD the whole pack

[onyx gust]

lol i wish my execute is that high in details

so u just spam execute in aoe without sd proc?

[nova ravine]

if im focusing down something yes

[onyx gust]

hm

still better than mine 251 MS casts over 152 OP casts xD

ive seen critcake attack some dummy before starting key idk why tho

to get EP 2x?

or bladestorm buff

idk

[hybrid needle]

Bladestorm buff

It doesnt get reset

[onyx gust]

is it taht big changer?

at least he was doing that on aa

[stable fiber]

its a big difference on the first pull

[hybrid needle]

The difference between a naked bs and 3 stacks is very noticeable yes, especially for AA if you can get the bs off. Sometimes it can be a hard timer with 60s

[stable fiber]

makes bladestorm tick 3 more times which is a lot on the first pull of algethar

[onyx gust]

Toy diff then

lmao

now i know why he manage to do 780k dps on first pull

[hybrid needle]

Keep in mind thise dummies keep you in fight and you cant stsrt a key infight.
Some people will kick u cause u annoy them

[onyx gust]

so um hit dummy get buff exit re enter and start key right after?

i think taht works no?

[hybrid needle]

Dont hit the Dummy after timer Hits 5

[rare kite]

idk how you do it without meld ngl

[hybrid needle]

5 seconds is the time needed to drop combat

[onyx gust]

is there few more tricks like that?

[rare kite]

can stack apex as well but the duration is so short, so it's key dependant

[hybrid needle]

Most other buffs get reset or arent long enough
You can prepot for dungeons like pos where the first pull happens almost instanrly to get a few seconds of extra pot usage

[onyx gust]

more i get into warrior specific things in rotation etc more im overwhelmed xD

[hybrid needle]

If everything was straight forward and easy to learn we would be called Hunter

[onyx gust]

some inside joke i think

[nova ravine]

you spelt fury wrong

[hybrid needle]

Cooldown - barbed shot - kill command - end of list

[onyx gust]

ah yeah that looks fine

and fun

[rare kite]

no joke i think fury is harder than arms atm

[onyx gust]

furry was alwyas piano spec

so he was always harder than arms

[hybrid needle]

Why is everyone who says "no joke" always joking

[onyx gust]

What is the best buff for slayer?

skyfury and?

[rare kite]

i take it you disagree hahah

[hybrid needle]

Skyfury is p much Mandatory. I refuse to play without sham
Rest doesnt matter too much

[onyx gust]

they called me crazy when i say to pug no shaman no key

lmao

[wind hatch]

monk is also nice to have

ive done a couple of 20s without shaman but it wasnt fun

[onyx gust]

better to take crit buff or haste buff in aa

[wind hatch]

crit

[hybrid needle]

Monk, Druid, Hunter, Shaman all do great things for you technically. But the biggest loss is sham

[nova marsh]

what does hunter do again

[hybrid needle]

3% dmg on prio target

[stable fiber]

i take haste if slayer and crit if colossus

[nova marsh]

ahhh

[rare kite]

tbf as long as you don't take mast you're prob fine

[stable fiber]

yeah neither spec wants mastery

[minor gust]

mastery is fine

[rare kite]

not that mastery is a bad stat, it's just worse than the vers buff

[minor gust]

just dont take vers xD

[stable fiber]

wrong

but

its ok

[rare kite]

it's flat % frozen

[stable fiber]

both specs would take vers > mastery

[minor gust]

didnt know that

correction dont take healing recieved xD

[stable fiber]

yup

[rare kite]

lmaoo i forgot that's a thing

[hybrid needle]

Thats a thing?

[wind hatch]

healing received op

[hybrid needle]

I just always take crit cause its the first 1 and im too lazy to move

[minor gust]

real

[rare kite]

it being flat % does mean mastery for certain specs is insanely OP. or atleast it used to in DF for spriest for example

[hybrid needle]

But...Versa is flat% increase and Dr ontop

That makes no sense unless mastery was more %

[rare kite]

yes, which is why the above conversation says so

[hybrid needle]

But what was the reason thqt you picked it in DF over vers then ?

[rare kite]

or if you meant my example of it being OP on spriest

spriest gained very little mastery per stat but it was very valuable. Your damage is increased by 4.0% for each of Vampiric Touch, Shadow Word: Pain, and Shadow Word: Madness on the target. During Voidform, all targets receive the maximum effect. so it took like 100 of the stat to gain 1%(i'm paraprashing but whatever)

so for specs that have a strong mastery but low gain per rating flat percentage is OP

[hybrid needle]

Ah, variables

[rare kite]

maybe devourer dh takes mastery. since it's just flat damage that gets increased by over double in meta

[onyx gust]

well thats from aa right after crawth before we abandon that shyt is there anything sucipous?

[brave silo]

depends what build you runnin but exe looks a little low?

[onyx gust]

slayer

[tame jay]

warrs still running arms slayer in high skyreaches and AA's? or colossus buffs caught up to slayer for those?

[ebon rock]

Imo you Can do Colo now. Havent done too much testing but I believe it’s viable

[tame jay]

i trust you and i will run it

[ebon rock]

Besides I hate going Slayer in AA cuz sometimes it’ll look like you’re a literal augmentation haha

If you have a feeling bosses Will be an issue for your group go Slayer. If not Colo is fine

[hybrid needle]

Dont say that. Augs CAN best us in first pull

[ebon rock]

My mates I play with are pretty decent and they play UH & Dev. If I’m a bit unlucky with a ton of green shit and few proccs, the damage meter is literal nightmare fuel embarassing after 1st boss 😭😂

[hybrid needle]

Mate

Sometimes when playing with tankdruids i end first pull as 4th

[ebon rock]

Same 😆😆

[minor gust]

Kill lashers job done

[ebon rock]

Earlier on I used to be able to catch up by the end of the dungeon. Nowadays you can’t

[hybrid needle]

Well

See it like this:

End of dungeon their dps is 30% hungry lashers.
They usually are somewhere at your top 6 dmg

[ebon rock]

No doubt your prio damage is higher, but I’ve actually bricked a key or two cuz our overall damage on 1st pull was too low, cuz entire group was kinda multitarget and target capped

[hybrid needle]

I remember playing with a balance druid in his key, 18aa resi
He did 1.4m dps i did 450-ish

Now, he did 65k vile lasher dps i did 200

We fsiled that pull 3 times. Wanna take a guess who He blamed for it ?

[minor gust]

[thick kelp]

Bold of you expect a boomie to starsurge for prio

[rare kite]

^ 0 chance

[thick kelp]

He probably wasnt even playing the weaver build to get fee surges to use

[minor gust]

Bro wdym press star surge there's like 40 mobs in this pull I'm pressing Starfall. Look my number big it says so right here

[onyx gust]

and rn i think too much overpower well fuck me

cant find sweet spot xd

[thick kelp]

There is no sweet spot for slayer

Its a bunch of RNG

that decides what your meter looks like

[minor gust]

Don't think to hard the real truth it doesn't matter what you press in-between cleave CDs. Just press op or exe

[rose matrix]

I died to a Vile Bite tank hit my last AA because the tank used a bop macro and then I got blamed for it

[onyx gust]

maybe ure right but im trying so hard to find issue with my dps

and im started to think is wow mechanic not rotation at this point

[little trellis]

as slayer, how long is it ok to hold cds to sync them?

[rose matrix]

You really only hold BS for CS

And Avatar for CS

[little trellis]

so hold as long as necessary?

[onyx gust]

Also should i use battle potion before or after bl?

[rose matrix]

For the most part ya

[little trellis]

word

[rose matrix]

Obviously before so you have it during lust

[onyx gust]

i mean before cast or after cast

or that dosent matter

[hybrid needle]

Its not on gcd soo whenever really

[little trellis]

is aoe opener: charge->rend->avatar/potion/racial+CS->BS->3x cleave.. ?

[onyx gust]

cause i was thinking when i click it before i get crit when i click after i get haste

or im mistaken

[rare kite]

does not matter for stat when it comes to reck pot if that is what you're asking

you could have just gotten a weapon proc at the same time and then it becomes haste if stats are close

[rose matrix]

You guys ever get deleted first pull of SR? I got Blade Rush dot then like 2 seconds later got hit with Dread Wind and a Chakram at the same time

[hybrid needle]

Cant say that happened to me. I usually dbts + dstance when i have dot + dread wind

[rose matrix]

Yea I did

Still died

Did not expect it

[little trellis]

what key level?

[rose matrix]

Only 20

[mystic vigil]

do yall think crushing force talentwill start being picked with the MS buffs in m+?

[distant echo]

https://klipy.com/gifs/bow-arrows

[mystic vigil]

it would be taken over stance mastery

[distant echo]

this was u

[rose matrix]

I think I just got hit by the dot, dread wind, and chakram on the same tick

[rare kite]

stance mast too big in high keys. in the low ass keys i do or just weeklies probably yea

[mystic vigil]

roger

[hybrid needle]

What did deathlog say

I mean i also sometimes died from ONLY the dot cause healer was doing idfk what

[rose matrix]

I don't remember the damage values but it was all within 0.8 seconds

I may have not been topped off tho

My log got deleted when I entered this dungeon

[onyx gust]

what is All Stars in warcraft logs?

[hybrid needle]

Hard to tell. Dot shouldnt have Ticked too hard and dreadwind shouldnt do more than 40-50% with everything up, chakram even less

[leaden drum]

so is colossus better in AA and SR now? has anyone reached a verdict

[rose matrix]

If you're out of range of your target does FoB still work?

[hybrid needle]

Its a tldr of class leaderboards

[onyx gust]

lower = better?
or higher

[dim basalt]

higher

[hybrid needle]

Higher. All star points are like rio but measured in dps and time needed to kill

[dim basalt]

Isnt it just the rank on each boss compared to R1 tho?

Ah well, both kinda

[hybrid needle]

Its a lil more complex but.. read for yourself

Need a phd

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/help/ranks/

[stable fiber]

@thick kelp question, did the fury sim guys try adamantite mainhand and oil offhand

idk how to do the sim but i tried to figure it out for like 20 mins

[hybrid needle]

I hear it procc so i always assumed it did

[thick kelp]

Sarri probably did

not sure

[dim basalt]

some bosses are removed from all stars if the boss is degenerate

Love that wording

[thick kelp]

@smoky kayak Did you maybe try this on fury in sims yet

[stable fiber]

because the picture gio sent me it looked like it was 2 adamantite stones, 2 oils and 2 midnight stones

and the bis for surv hunter is actually adamantite stone main hand and oil offhand

so like

[thick kelp]

when did I send you pics

[stable fiber]

it was gio

mb

[smoky kayak]

there's no situation in which TBC Stones are worth using over either Oils or MN Stones

[stable fiber]

i see

[smoky kayak]

they're not as strong as they sound; wdam is outright inferior to AP under the new (BfA) damage formula

[stable fiber]

is 1 str still 2 ap or has that changed

think the full html report says actually

[smoky kayak]

no, that changed a long, long time ago

[candid garden]

Voidclaw glove good?

[smoky kayak]

attack power hasn't been a stat in a decade, it's the sum of the damage formula

[stable fiber]

bis in raid
alright in m+, you would prefer crit haste gloves though

[candid garden]

If i have the glove should i try to get the shadow dmg neck too?

[stable fiber]

no

that proc isnt very good

[smoky kayak]

AP = (Primary Stat + Weapon DPS * 6)
which is then multiplied by the ability's coefficient and all relevant damage multipliers, versatility, etc

[stable fiber]

i see

[candid garden]

Beloren trinket bad in m+?

[stable fiber]

nope, not bis imo though, gaze and vorasius heart are better imo

its still very good though

[candid garden]

If we chain pull a lot is it worse?

[stable fiber]

i dont know how the trinket works entirely.

if the buff resets when you leave combat then chain pulling is bad, if the buff stays the same when you leave combat then you probably wanna chain pull still

chain pulling is generally just really good for arms

so i wouldnt play around the trinket no matter how it works

[candid garden]

I interpret it like it doesnt regen until you drop combat but i havent tested

[stable fiber]

yeah

if it resets only through combat then you are rewarded more by chaining

it does say it regenerates out of combat, not sure how fast

[candid garden]

I use gaze + algethar puzzle atm but i think i wanna swap put puzzle

[stable fiber]

yeah you should

not having to think about trinkets is imo a pretty big increase for a spec that really likes to chain and is target capped

[balmy kindle]

Throw that PB in the bin

[smoky kayak]

so if you have 2,155 strength and are using a 298 2h with 101.4 DPS, your AP is
(2155 + 101.4 * 6) = 2763.4

the adamantite stone increases that to 102.5 DPS, so your AP becomes
(2155 + 102.5 * 6) = 2770

the MN stone instead gives you 15 AP, which is added onto the back of the formula
(2155 + 101.4 * 6) + 15 = 2778.4

now, the adamantite stone gives you a very small amount of crit which more or less makes up for AP difference, but its still only more or less on par with the MN stone

[candid garden]

Are those better than the haste crit oil?

[stable fiber]

no

[smoky kayak]

which means it's still wholly inferior to regular oils, which give 16 crit

[stable fiber]

ok that makes more sense

to be fair i thought it added 3 flat weapon dps

but i am wrong

[smoky kayak]

it adds weapon damage, not DPS

[stable fiber]

yeah

i did think there was a world where you had the same scenario as surv with it on your mainhand and then oil on offhand, but if its just equal to the MN stones then it doesnt really matter

cause the MN stones are already worse then the oils

[smoky kayak]

strictly speaking, it's not even equal, it's slightly worse than the MN stone in most cases

[candid garden]

So i should try to get the crit proc trinket from voidspire

[stable fiber]

i think so

aight ty that answered a question that was bugging me all day

[smoky kayak]

this is the one I did for Arms the other day

[balmy kindle]

Yes ancient heart very good and m vora easy to beat

[smoky kayak]

and the same for Fury

[stable fiber]

oh gio linked me a arms sim...

smh

[smoky kayak]

if you were strictly concerned with using TBC vs MN stones, yeah you may find a way to justify it, but there's no reason not to just use oils

idk what hunters are doing, maybe they have a really weird relationship with critical strike or something

[rose matrix]

Same I just wasn't sure if that was confirmation

[stable fiber]

idk how much it has to do with the stone, but they have a lot of auto attack damage increases with a lot of high ap scaling on some abilities

also attack speed increases

[smoky kayak]

shouldn't matter; +15 AP is going to be higher than +4wdam, which happens before multiplying the coefficient

in which the higher number is obviously better

[onyx gust]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1125024994494255157/1126154435190603806/FTDBHxQWQAAKRbi_.gif

[thick kelp]

Higher number = better

[smoky kayak]

the only difference is the small amount of crit from adamantine, but if they like the crit you'd think Oil would be better regardless

[thick kelp]

groundbreaking finds in warrior discord

[stable fiber]

pretty sure its only better since they are using daggers

faster attack speed or smth

cant imagine that being good in aoe however

[rose matrix]

I used one on my mainhand on my Survival hunter

Oil on offhand

[stable fiber]

yeah they do that

but only with daggers

interesting

[rose matrix]

I think it's only Survival though

Don't think any rogues do it

[high ether]

hey guys, is the dwarf racial like one eye of the eagle enchant? and does it stack additively with eye so its 6% crit dmg? or

[smoky kayak]

hmmm, well +4 is more on a smaller number is relatively more than +4 on a larger number, so that might push it over the edge

still feel like Oil would probably be better, but again idk shit about Survival (nor do I really care tbh)

[stable fiber]

4/1.8 = 2.222222

so ig it makes more sense

and they get some attack speed buffs

[smoky kayak]

that shouldn't matter

[stable fiber]

yeah ur right

i forget that the attack speed does noting

just the wpds

[smoky kayak]

it applies to everything equally

and yeah, dam formulas use base attack speed, not modified

[stable fiber]

additive

so the dwarf racial just acts as another 2%

[high ether]

thx

[earnest imp]

is that mini boss is MC impossible on high keys (19) without a pally?

[stable fiber]

no

but you probably need some sort of consistent root breaker and afaik monk can do it pretty well

[earnest imp]

only ever done it with pallys and just ran in one without lol

yeah no monk either, not sure what the plan was

[stable fiber]

monk and paladins both do it well

dk can self break it

[earnest imp]

war/hunt/rogue/dh/rsham

[stable fiber]

cooked

have to dps it

[earnest imp]

yep it bricked us, so wasnt sure if i was missing something lol

ty for the info

[stable fiber]

i think if you are prepared to dps its fine on a +19

if not then they probably just die

[earnest imp]

tbh we werent, too far away ffrom ritual

[gleaming cosmos]

Pit is just best by far to reroll on?

Maybe NPX for rings

[stable fiber]

6 items are bis in pit, 1 is close to bis and 1 sucks

so just spam in pit if u are a fresh character

but yeah the npx rings are also good for raid

seat is aight i think, can catalyst a lot of those pieces

[rose matrix]

Rings are good for m+ too

[stable fiber]

jewelry is kinda ass

from seat

[rose matrix]

They sim better for me in both aoe and st even for Colossus

[stable fiber]

yeah you want 2 crit haste rings for m+ and colossus

raid is npx set

[rose matrix]

That's what I mean

the NPX set simmed better for me

On colossus

Even in aoe

[gleaming cosmos]

Yeah me freshy

[late lantern]

Whats the point of taking Wrecking Throw without Javelenir in M+?

[thick kelp]

theres no point

people just dont think or bother to swap

it has some uses in keys like mc

without javelineer

[rose matrix]

Maybe swap it for Second Wind or something like that

[late lantern]

Swapped it for Fast Footwork now but i guess second wind is better the higher the key

[rose matrix]

Either or is fine tbh

[late lantern]

How much dmg does it do to shields on average?

[thick kelp]

alot

[rose matrix]

Not sure tbh but not really many uses for it outside of 2nd boss in mc

[late lantern]

Thanks

[graceful sun]

Windrunner banshees also. Pit of Saron gargoyles. Small conveniences like that.

[rose matrix]

Banshees is a good one

Forgot about that

[graceful sun]

Oh- and the dragonhawks in Windrunner on lower keys where ppl are bad at stuns.

[balmy kindle]

Maybe 130kish to shields?

[torn rivet]

yo lads, a quick one

in slayer ST, we DO spam Slam outside of exec phase, when everything is on cd no?

[thick kelp]

Accroding to my 4 second google search + wowhead search, yes

[torn rivet]

sweet, so then if i haven't changed nothing in my rotation

why the fk from 90 parse i keep getting 50-60

have we been nerfed overnight or tf

[thick kelp]

idk

you just plaing badly

[torn rivet]

i mean I guess so

its the only answer

[rose matrix]

Maybe you're low rolling crits if you're down that much from what you usually do idk

[torn rivet]

probably lack of raid buffs also affect a bit

but still

[feral breach]

Cant tell anything for sure without context

[frail helm]

I thought MS prio moved down after the buffs to execute and overpower

[thick kelp]

Missing raidbuffs is a quick -10% dps

[frail helm]

Guess not

[thick kelp]

in the mythic plus build

which is there

[frail helm]

Or is it just in execute phase

[thick kelp]

under the ?

[rose matrix]

I think in m+ build its HS > MS > SD right?

[torn rivet]

hmm, may be low crit rolls actually

but how

wtf

[sacred summit]

this is pretty different from the wowhead rotation prio. what talent choices make hs higher than ms in the m+ build?

[stable fiber]

you drop 3 talents that make mortal strike do more damage

[rose matrix]

I think you'd still send MS before SD unless two stacks tho no?

[torn rivet]

fervor of battle

cleave autocasts hc and can sweep it resulting in 2 targets and empowered

[rose matrix]

He was referring to st

[sacred summit]

i was talking about the st rotation

[torn rivet]

a, pff

the fact that MS, even buffed with 3 martial prowess stacks, hits like a wet noodle

HS is more worth to press than ms in probably every scenario except cleaving

[sacred summit]

isnt it just martial prowess

[stable fiber]

no

[thorn stream]

hs buffs ms
ms can proc hs

also

[stable fiber]

one sec

you drop fierce followthrough, crushing force and martial prowess

[sacred summit]

ty lemme see

[latent moss]

do i have to buy a token before my sub expires or can i log in without a sub and buy it with gold

[rose matrix]

You can buy it without game time

[stable fiber]

^

[latent moss]

ty

[rose matrix]

Not sure exactly how you do it but I have done it

I think you get an option in the realm screen

[latent moss]

i usually just bought a token before it expired

[stable fiber]

it just asks if you want a token

you just need like 400k+ gold

[latent moss]

resil gold

mmmm

[rose matrix]

Do people actually pay for that

[latent moss]

gold reaching critical mass

yes

[rose matrix]

What do you charge?

Might have to hop on this

[minor sky]

So, coming from playing Prot where its virtually never worth stance swapping I have a question for the DPS warriors. Realistically speaking, how often are you actually swapping to defensive stance?

[thorn stream]

if big dmg comes in

[latent moss]

idk i get like 100k per run

[thorn stream]

you do more dmg if you live in the long run

[latent moss]

and runs are 25 mins

[rose matrix]

Do you just ask for tips or put a price?

[latent moss]

we do team boosts

[minor sky]

So basically anytime a predictable big damage event is happening?

[rose matrix]

Oh I see

[latent moss]

the only reason im there is cause my tank and heal have like

6 titles

i have none and my io is dogshit

[thorn stream]

kinda - you basically use it as another personal

if you need one

[latent moss]

well when i played i was top 3 warr dps but like we just cant play together anymore cause schedule so gg

[minor sky]

Is it generally considered worth taking Stance Mastery for higher keys?