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#arms
nova marsh
tranquil swift
i think my master may be too low
nova marsh
Did the robot tell you more mast?
hybrid needle
Then its not too low, problem solved
tranquil swift
but i also not too sure how to sim im bad at it lol
sand totem
Just replace the mastery with moar crit ez clap
nova marsh
but i also not too sure how to sim im bad at it lol
So what are you simming
Its genuinely quite straight forward for the most psrt
inland drift
How are yall gst more haste than mastery i swear im stuck with 21st mastery ffs
hybrid needle
How do you manage that
nova marsh
How are yall gst more haste than mastery i swear im stuck with 21st mastery ffs
go to pit
get evrey item besides cloak
onyx gust
Did the robot tell you more mast?
which robot?
nova marsh
nova marsh
I have 8 bonus rolls ready
send that shit
near radish
What level do you turn in the delve quests for 90 is it 88?
nova marsh
I'd do 88 and a half
onyx gust
raidbots.com
he can sim ur stats? lmao
nova marsh
he can sim ur stats? lmao
Yes
small hamlet
88 and 3 or 4 bar
nova marsh
The robot can sim many things
onyx gust
i should sim this option to see if my stats are ok?
nova marsh
no
You sim gear directly
And sim ur enchants to get a rough idea of what you actually need
stat weights are a somewhat outdated tool we don't use anymore. There's a writeup on raidbots for it.
tranquil swift
50k gold to someone who gives me 5 mins of there time to sim correctly xD
onyx gust
idk if im a stupid one or blind i dont see anything from him about stats that i should change anything
minor gust
50k gold to someone who gives me 5 mins of there time to sim correctly xD
youtube videos are free
minor gust
a youtube video is door dash
nova marsh
I do reccomend youtube video
onyx gust
should i chase more haste?
minor gust
sand totem
I remember being so pumped for our mastery change and not needing deep wounds to grant it.
Now it just makes me sad
nova marsh
Type /simc ingame
Copy that input and paste it into this section
Select the gear you want to sim evrey time you get upgrades and see what it says.
hybrid needle
Select the gear you want to sim evrey time you get upgrades and see what it says...
Its telling me i do alot less dmg than any other class. Pls help
nova marsh
Its telling me i do alot less dmg than any other class. Pls help
only daddy blizzard can help there
...
I never want to say that again ew
hybrid needle
Every single AA firstpull everyone laughs at warr dmg
nova marsh
They may laugh, but we're going great against the lashers
hybrid needle
Hungry lasher is by far their top1 dmg
Meanwhile when i look at it its always crawth and hungry lasheras somewhere 5 or 6
nova marsh
I honestly don't feel too bad
Because it's either that or int the whole dungeon lowkey as colo
Well maybe not int but holy fuck colo feels awful
Like
Half the packs you loose your stacks
Going to crawth? loose stacks? Right before ancient? Maybe loose stacks depending on what ur last GCD was? Going from crawth? No stacks. Vexamus? NO DICE. Going to final boss? Lmao get fucked
So. Much. Fucking run time and RP
It does suck we kinda suck dick at the biggest pull of the season
rare kite
we were good at that pull in dragonflight. roar hard carried
dire hinge
rare kite
yea we're stronger now tho. insane how good arms is in keys rn
rare kite
ofc it is. everything is based on tuning
rare kite
in keys i agree, i miss big whirlwind
nova marsh
big WW in keys was kinda fun
For raid I don't think I miss it, I'd rather have current slayer
rare kite
agreed. just please give a tiny rage gen buff
wind hatch
agreed. just please give a tiny rage gen buff
doing keys without a shaman is so painful man
nova marsh
doing keys without a shaman is so painful man
yeah it's actually awful
nova marsh
I think post buffs it's fine
summer shore
We need patch note saying demolish deals double the damage when st
nova marsh
But the problem is I'm not sure if it'll stay fine
hybrid needle
I think post buffs it's fine
WS last boss i did less dmg than a bear 
summer shore
Imagine cs is only applied for 10 seconds
nova marsh
I imagine S2 tier will be fury level
Don't do that to me
pulsar frost
Its true tho
rare kite
idk if it will be fury level but no one should expect a tierset as strong as current
summer shore
Yea like one talent point
Mortal strike / cleave to more than 3 target extends cs by 1 second
pulsar frost
Man why is arms warrior so rage hungry
Cause they removed rage gen on overpowered
Lile the lame blizzard they are
nova marsh
Cause they removed rage gen on overpowered
among other things
pulsar frost
Idk the other things are. But im only aware and cRe for rage gen
nova marsh
Torments for one
pulsar frost
Dont know what's tbst
nova marsh
We used to have reck on ava
pulsar frost
Or do I really care tbh. Seasons pretty over for me
pulsar frost
Arms identity was excute strength but now colossus dont even use excute
Slayer still uses execute so I mean
nova marsh
🤷♂️
pulsar frost
Colo is just more so the aoe build
summer shore
They do but still not that good
nova marsh
Hot take but genuinely
pulsar frost
Not sure if yoy even click SD before slam tbh
nova marsh
I think arms is better off without being pigeonholed into just being the exe guy
pulsar frost
Idk i like exe
nova marsh
I like exe yes
but I don't think I want it to be the only part of the fight we actually do damage
pulsar frost
I mean it depends ig. Still do decent ish damage out of exe phase in raid
But then again idrc for raid so shrug
nova marsh
yeah
summer shore
It was fun watching your dps meter going nuts and climb up to top at execute phase though
nova marsh
Sure that's fun
until we've outgeared the boss and execute is signifcantly less meaningful
summer shore
Rip sylvanas fight
pulsar frost
Idk my time as fury was judt a consistent through out the boss fight assuming no deaths or annoying ass mech. I end up at the top by end of fight anyways but thats consistent and no rxe phase
pulsar frost
until we've outgeared the boss and execute is signifcantly less meaningful
You say this but like belo is still a good arms fight due to exe egg phase
pulsar frost
I haven't done mythic and wont. But from what I see its really good since the second egg phase the egg starts at 35 or whatever
So you can just exe
summer shore
They really should remove slam talents though. And tactician talent. its lols
nova marsh
well yeah ofc
pulsar frost
But I mean this matter with the out gearing part of bosses just getting nuked
nova marsh
They really should remove slam talents though. And tactician talent. its lols
Ehhhh as long as they don't pull the slam tier set again it's fine
why tf do you want tacti removed thou
hybrid needle
Just go back to the "here is 3 options, pick one" talents
pulsar frost
Slam is just lame
pulsar frost
Remove slam
nova marsh
Ohhh master tacican
nova marsh
I mean honestly I'd rather they just tune it to be....something ]
wind hatch
Does anyone even use that
no
nova marsh
The problem is less the idea and more so the fact that the numbers are fucking awful
wind hatch
its a pretty big dps loss to take it lol
pulsar frost
They could at least increase it from 5% to something more
nova marsh
irrc we were gonna use it during beta when it was like....20% irrc?
pulsar frost
5% for a capstone talent is kinda lame
summer shore
Yeah its funny that they gave us that talent for a capstone
nova marsh
I don't care about capstones
pulsar frost
I mean
nova marsh
Blizz can't design them worth a fuck anyways for arms
pulsar frost
Capstone should be strong
nova marsh
So I don't think they're a concept at this stage
summer shore
If you compare that to anger management
pulsar frost
Then what's the point of talent trees good sir
Ye like anger management id a great example of strong capstone
Rage spending let's you cdr cds is quite strong
nova marsh
The point of talent trees is to provide players flexiability in what content you're doing
pulsar frost
Pallies have a natural 30 sec cd. We do not but we can get near it for ava and what not. Cs is a 45 sec but with cdr its much shorter etc
nova marsh
And to give you a mini game of oppertunity cost
I would agree with capstones if blizzard actually designed capstones
pulsar frost
Whoch can still be done with strong capstone no?
nova marsh
But they just don't anymore
Can I just remind evreyone here that techincally dance of death was a capstone?
pulsar frost
Idk what that was so idk
nova marsh
Dance of death reduced bladestorm's cooldown if you killed something
rare kite
killed something with bladestorm to be exact
nova marsh
This shit
summer shore
Its just a dogshit talent
nova marsh
Yeah
summer shore
Made with no brain
summer shore
Whoever made that talent was either drunk or stoned
pulsar frost
Just sounds like arms just gets the bad end of the stick when it comes to capstone. Talent trees and changes. But doesnt change the fac that capstone should be strong and what not
nova marsh
I mean kill or be killed also exists
Okay but genuinely
Evrey spec I've looked at since DF
just dosen't have strong capstones besides like enhance and shadow priest
pulsar frost
You should've really just question who's the arms spec dev lol
sand totem
I mean kill or be killed also exists
Actually such a cool concept of a talent but man it just doesnt work hahaha
nova marsh
espically because we have shit like hero talents
nova marsh
Actually such a cool concept of a talent but man it just doesnt work hahaha
it is
It's just not practical for pve.
Maybe for pvp? Dunno
pulsar frost
Hero talents whatever. Think it can be used in addition to spec talents but I digress
nova marsh
The problem with capstones for me rn
Is more so that blizzard is just incrediably inconsistant with designing them atm
To the point where I feel like apex talents are meant to be like capstones
pulsar frost
Its the problem of class dev if we even have one
nova marsh
...I don't think they actually did that well, but that's besides the point
pulsar frost
If the dev themselves plays it. You can notice it when looking at other specs. Like hunters espically MM has it worde then us
At least we didnt get reworked mid season from when gameplay was fun to terrible gameplay and nerf even tho numbers weren't that great lol
rare kite
you can't say mm numbers weren't that great, they were really insane. still sucks to get reworked and nerfed mid season tho
pulsar frost
They were middle of the pack if im not mistaken pre rework
It wasnt insane insane to the point they needed the nerf. Good numbers dont mean insane. I mean dh and dk both got buffed dispite having actually insane numbers
rare kite
iirc statistically they were like top 5 or something
pulsar frost
Dont remember seeing them thst high outside of pallies
rare kite
either way getting a garbage rework and a nerf in the middle of a season isn't something i wish on any spec, well except aug
summer shore
I still think aug should be deleted
pulsar frost
But ye talking about blizzard not knowing capstone or talents whatever. At least we're not mm or hunters bad
They legit dont know what to do with that spec
rare kite
i think i'm owning but it turns out to be fake and then i feel tricked. to me it's like going to the gym and the weights fly off and then you find out some invisible dude was helping you lift
pulsar frost
i mean aug is a support class, support class in many ways, one of them is buffing, theyre buffing you to do even more damage then youre already doing, sure i get its fake in a sense but you still gotta do good dps to actually use the boost they give tho
rare kite
yea and i do not think a support class is a good idea for WoW
pulsar frost
i think i'm owning but it turns out to be fake and then i feel tricked. to me it...
now the gym one, sure i get that but unless the weight is like massive and like the invis guy is just that good you still need to have form to lift it and such
pulsar frost
yea and i do not think a support class is a good idea for WoW
and why is that?
rare kite
think it's impossible to balance as it is tuned around other top specs. there will always be something OP and by its nature it can never be good for the casual player
pulsar frost
i mean theres always gonna be a meta , every season classes change and become meta, which also isnt good for the casual player, but most of these meta stuff shouldnt really affect casual player, if youre really talking about casual causal, not just the lesser then the top player like im one
rare kite
ofc there's always gonna be a meta but what kind of weakness does aug have? no other spec has to be tuned around other specs, like if 2 other specs gets giga buffed then aug gets indirectly buffed
god i hate it so much
slow saddle
does fury slayer do as much damage as slarms?
Prob a bit more at
It had less prio and funnel though
tranquil swift
i wonder if thane will do a bunch more now since the thunderclap buff
slow saddle
Blast
pulsar frost
itll be 30% more
tranquil swift
sorry blast haha
pulsar frost
:D
tranquil swift
wonder if thats big enough for the slayer fury guys to switch back over to it
pulsar frost
or 3.5% more in aoe or 2.5% more in st
eh, lots of slayer players just prefer slayer over thanes gameplay
like nox
rare kite
whether thane sees play or not depends on if you need prio damage or not. i still think slayer fury will be played in academy over thane, like slayer might do less on the meter but kills the big lashers
pulsar frost
if you really want prio on lashers as well youd just play slarms over fury in general
since i do think slarms has the better prio as well
rare kite
it does, no doubt
pulsar frost
fury would be better if exe didnt have the cd
tranquil swift
thane was super easy to play
but boring
it did good numbers tho, now im assuming more with the thane buff
pulsar frost
slayer is even more easy
boreal quartz
Might be a fury issue not a hero issue
stoic dagger
hey does buffs to overpower still affect dreadnaught dam?
onyx gust
every week we get 1 flux for catalyst?
cause i still thinking about spedning rolls on pos
boreal quartz
every week we get 1 flux for catalyst?
You also get them dropped once you have 4 set
So you have infinty if you play the game
robust ridge
From M+, Delves, Raid etc
nova marsh
fury would be better if exe didnt have the cd
I feel like it's a nothing burger for the cd
It'd be goofy if they buffed exe to be good without the CD and you just spam it into rampage. Sounds kinda boring
onyx gust
how awful demolish is to play?
nova marsh
how awful demolish is to play?
demo is fine
nova marsh
As long as you don't have literally zero haste demo is a non issue
onyx gust
gotta check it
nova marsh
Slayer is right there
onyx gust
i was thinking how much better is demo than slayer
nova marsh
In Aoe it's signifcantly better but slayer is still absolutely playable
tranquil swift
Everyone go to sleep.. Santa is coming tomorrow with some arms buffs
tranquil swift
Santa came early it looks like
I don’t make the rules
Col with better st I mean what a fucking gift!
Maybe it’ll do more than the tank now 😂
tranquil swift
Just kidding, but you know what I mean haha
onyx gust
with my knowledge on demolish i did 280k dps (2m fight) on cleave Training dummies with my current gear
and 273 with slayer
so basiclly i suck on demolish
better stick to slayer xD
nova marsh
Do actual dungeons
balmy kindle
but difference in overall dmg
Overall dmg can lie
nova marsh
Overall dmg can lie
yeah chasing overalls is kinda badge
tranquil swift
Shhhhh
fleet nexus
Hello Guys, please help me with the log, terrace 18 in Slayer, somehow I'm doing too little dps, help me figure out what I'm doing wrong(
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/nvpFhyW6QM4xYgGN?fight=11&type=damage-done&source=59&view=timeline
onyx gust
fleet nexus
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Tty
onyx gust
171k overall is huge tbh
im doing wrong rotation right? when Slam is higher than Overpower on slayer XD
wind hatch
171k overall is huge tbh
for an 18 its ok but could be way better
pulsar frost
It'd be goofy if they buffed exe to be good without the CD and you just spam it ...
everythings boring
pulsar frost
im doing wrong rotation right? when Slam is higher than Overpower on slayer XD
more 
:D
onyx gust
really?
nova marsh
everythings boring
that certainly is a statement
pulsar frost
that certainly is a statement
tthe no cd on exe for arms is part of what makes arms the best or better prio spec tho 100%
think fury slayer would be decent if not close to arms if it wasnt behind a cd
balmy kindle
Pretty sure fury exe hits softer no?
balmy kindle
Like I am no fury master but I seldom see big numbers
pulsar frost
Pretty sure fury exe hits softer no?
probably, maybe? but i mean the cd doesnt help it either
balmy kindle
Yeah, but it hits like a wet noodle even if inside reck and enrage as well
Like arms exe is pretty cranky ATM
pulsar frost
Like arms exe is pretty cranky ATM
as it should be, arms exe should hit hard and we should use it more :D
fleet nexus
171k overall is huge tbh
i look for top raider io, they have more)
balmy kindle
Pull size, tank cadence etc do matter though
balmy kindle
I would say slayer arms as long as you are 2nd and not super far off it's ok
balmy kindle
+11 boss my rotation
Too much mortal strike
With the m+ build and blue man buff present mortal strike is seldom pressed
onyx gust
how is that too much
latent moss
on st u press it on cd outside of exe
onyx gust
i was jsut pressing it on cd
latent moss
in exe u dont press it unless u have cs up
heres the prio
ms>rend is a loss on 8t but a gain on prio dmg
latent moss
executioners precision
onyx gust
cs is colo smash>?
nova marsh
Guys is it trolling not to play dev dh or dk
Oh my god the meta slaves make me so mad lmao
sick badge
Is fury now stronger then arms?
wind hatch
Guys is it trolling not to play dev dh or dk
if u ask the average person listing 20+ keys the answer is yes 
nova marsh
i love how arms bis is 0 vers
U should watch the zorthras rant on versa
Irs lowkey leak
nova marsh
if u ask the average person listing 20+ keys the answer is yes <:sadga:869134702...
I just saw saw one of them lmafo
wind hatch
arms better in raid too mostly
latent moss
i havent specced fury outside of hof nullaeus
and even that i think was easily doable as arms
but arms had like
negative st back then
nova marsh
new video???
Yuppp
latent moss
U should watch the zorthras rant on versa
i mean
its good that dps specs dont want vers imo
if a dps spec wants vers
something is wrong
once we start dr-ing in s2 and s3
u will play vers
balmy kindle
Guys is it trolling not to play dev dh or dk
I think phys comps have more advantage for res 20 though
nova marsh
To be fair, outlaw wants vers
nova marsh
I think phys comps have more advantage for res 20 though
Nooo
balmy kindle
You can legit slow chain pull to res 20 while casters have to do risky big pulls
nova marsh
You have to suck and worship the meta evrey day to even attempt a 20 resil
Obviously
I genuinely hate meta slop worshippers
nova marsh
People who literally cannot fathom not playing something broken
latent moss
fuck stat drs
nova marsh
fuck stat drs
IKR
balmy kindle
Lol in my guild I am catching up to the udk though , I think phys comp is massively underrated
Chinese players have been calling for physical comp quite awhile now
latent moss
Outside of trinkies
idk its based
that i get my bis trinkets from first 2
first 3 i guess
latent moss
To be fair, outlaw wants vers
idk zorthas said outlaw wants very little
its mostly crit haste
"very little" the most out of all dpses but its still low
onyx gust
i feel like voidclaw is useless
latent moss
its worse than windrunner spire gloves
onyx gust
there isnt any crit/haste gloves?
latent moss
windrunner spire
onyx gust
so how they are worse
latent moss
i said voidclaw is worse
onyx gust
AAH
latent moss
than windrunner spire gloves
onyx gust
okay sorry
balmy kindle
A fair choice is crafted if you cba
latent moss
i mean atp u can just craft to fill slots
if u have the gold ofc but its pretty cheap this late into the season
shell arch
how often do we press slam and execute as colossus?
balmy kindle
ST just SD procs and filler( when you have full rage)
onyx gust
so for slayer in ST ms have little bit higher prio than slam?
balmy kindle
Yes because there's no other buttons to press
latent moss
so for slayer in ST ms have little bit higher prio than slam?
outside of exe u ms on cd basically
latent moss
i mean its simple
hs is always top prio
in aoe u dont press it cause cleave consumes it
shell arch
what about a macro that turns MS into HS?
latent moss
i dont understand the point of that macro
just track slam on cdm
u need slam bound anyway
latent moss
fix it 🤷
balmy kindle
I use side mouse button for slam
onyx gust
same shyt brother
well with ur help i get to more dmg overall in dungeon
but still need to learn
latent moss
exe should be higher unless u had no shaman
onyx gust
no sham
sadly
i was spamming exe like i can
but 1 thing if i have 2x ep on ms should u click MS instead of exe?
on exe part
latent moss
ye
pale agate
when u guys send demolish in aoe, do u make sure that your sweep is up (at least one stack) or na just send ?
basically, how crucial or trivial is it if u demolish and you DONT have sweep up ?
wind hatch
when u guys send demolish in aoe, do u make sure that your sweep is up (at least...
i dont think its significant enough to where its worth holding demolish for it
fresh spire
You can have a very high uptime on sweep if your bouncing it around with broad sweep talented as well as the natural cast
Since you mostly send demolish with Cs you naturally have sweep up because of Cs.
Isn't many times you send it natty for those moments I wouldn't worry too much about it.
sour compass
whats the go to Raid build for Arms when there are some adds or multiple targets? the one from wowhead seem to have specced whirlwind but its not explained in the rotation. which build u guys playing in the raid? ty
soft peak
Colosus you play only at paladins
Bcs is 3 target cleave
Other than that slayer all boses
sour compass
the ST build?
soft peak
The adds are dying to fast for colosus to make a dif
soft peak
the ST build?
Yes slayer st
wind hatch
whats the go to Raid build for Arms when there are some adds or multiple targets...
Specced whirlwhind? what exactly do you mean by that, arms always has it
sour compass
ok ty
soft peak
You dont use ww at all
sour compass
Specced whirlwhind? what exactly do you mean by that, arms always has it
yeah I mean you dont specc cleave
untold mist
when u guys send demolish in aoe, do u make sure that your sweep is up (at least...
This can happen only mid pulls, and you are not after Colossus Smash you might lose your Sweeping Strikes and you’re theoretically 10-15 seconds away from your next Colossus Smash, those are the windows you press Sweeping.
sour compass
Specced whirlwhind? what exactly do you mean by that, arms always has it
its this one: https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/arms/slayer/EAOBRUUVRVQWYRqRQBRNVVUVGYVRAYVF0CFAFFVVVUBA
soft peak
Should be ok
What i have done for each boss i would search on wowlogs their talents and copy it
wind hatch
its this one: https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/arms/slayer/EAOBRUUVRV...
yeah it's generally better to just go broad strokes + powerful momentum to get some extra sweeping strikes damage while doing your st rotation
soft peak
But it doesnt make any difference
sour compass
yeah I might look it up
haste and crit flask sim pretty even for me, should I go haste if I prefer a more fast paced playstyle or does it not make any difference?
wind hatch
i'd go crit flask if you're using the secondary stat weapon enchants (you should) to ensure recklessness pot always gives crit
onyx gust
upgrade incoming
dim basalt
upgrade incoming
No speed gg go next
onyx gust
🙁
latent moss
they should make bonus rolls reset after u roll everything
then u can start rolling tertiaries
on bro
dim basalt
hasty pumice
they should make bonus rolls reset after u roll everything
Say good bye to slayer
fierce meadow
or a way to convert the tokens into a +50(interst desired tert here) patch to apply to certain slots
hasty pumice
Say hello to cocklossus
For every single key
Probably running slightly more ST oriented talents in AA and skyreach tho
The biz build
latent moss
me and walhe ran some sims
balmy kindle
Hmm not sure if colos ST buff is enough though
latent moss
not looking good for st oriented builds
hasty pumice
Slayer tankiness sucks ass
Compared to colo
You notice it so much on 22 / 23s
Also you can get funnel on first and second boss in skyreach again with phys comp
hasty pumice
not looking good for st oriented builds
Why? It's the same as right now just even slightly better
And the only key where everybody consistently plays slayer is AA, even in skyreach many play colo
stable fiber
me and walhe ran some sims
yo imma need you to cook something like this twin
https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/reports/cF7g48wAbX9TyRv1?fight=41&position=27580&type=damage-taken&source=4
but for dps instead
perfectly balanced game mode
sour compass
i'd go crit flask if you're using the secondary stat weapon enchants (you should...
you mean the berserker enchants or which ones?
minor gust
Slayer tankiness sucks ass
are you telling me 15% healing on SD is bad??????!!?
onyx gust
cant wait for tomorrow drop
hasty pumice
0% passive DR and no demolish DR is very noticeable sadly
In 22s / 23s
Before that it's genuinely whatever
wind hatch
you mean the berserker enchants or which ones?
berserkers rage / janalais precision
latent moss
nvm idk what was walhe simming but
overpowering finish + mp is 3% over mass exec and powerful on st
hasty pumice
On 21s I had 0 issues, on 22s I noticed a lot of spots where you had to Def stance now
latent moss
and 4% behind on 8t
hasty pumice
Well but in the dungeons where you run it you don't really have 8 important targets
In skyreach it's very important for the main targets to die
stable fiber
overpowering finish + mp is 3% over mass exec and powerful on st
i like the middle ground
drop mass exec
for op finish
mass exec is fake asf anyways lowkey
latent moss
for op finish
thats fake
overpowering finish is 0.8%
on st
thats what walhe was simming
thorn stream
why do i have neither mass exec or op finish ? 🤔
latent moss
mp is the big point
latent moss
btw
brute force is more dmg
on st
than overpowering finish
its like 100 dps more xd
distant echo
Ngl guys everyones says different, in execute phase should i only press execute? Or 2 execute > MS
latent moss
Ngl guys everyones says different, in execute phase should i only press execute?...
slayer m+ or raid
distant echo
Both
stable fiber
Ngl guys everyones says different, in execute phase should i only press execute?...
m+, you spam execute UNLESS colossus smash is up, when cs is up you do 2 exe -> ms typically
in raid you will always do 2 exe - 1ms
i think
you wanna consume op procs ofc
yo i recleared lura @latent moss
i think its impossible to parse unless you pot p4
cringe
latent moss
gg
distant echo
But why should i spam exe in m+ when ur ms is increased by 70%
hasty pumice
Because calcs say it's better
distant echo
it deals more then
latent moss
cause its not enough
hasty pumice
hasty pumice
Number bigger
distant echo
Ms 70% is bigger than regular execute
stable fiber
you dont have fierce followthrough
is the big one
or crushing force
which makes ms hit for less
hasty pumice
hasty pumice
Wait how does it crit more
Because talents
distant echo
Gotta look through them once again
stable fiber
each stack of executioner is 3% crit strike, crit damage, and damage on execute
and it stacks up to 3
stable fiber
yeah i highrolled my p3 damage of lura cause i had 3 stacks of executioner like the whole phase lmfao
260k dps chills
hasty pumice
Shaman buff and charge weaving
distant echo
It sucks to rely on a buff from another class
onyx gust
i shouldnt compare my dps to raidbot simulate dps right?
stable fiber
i shouldnt compare my dps to raidbot simulate dps right?
id set your sim to the target dummy sim version
then go hit a target dummy
onyx gust
yeah but sim version have all buffs on him xD
stable fiber
thats gonna be the most accurate you can get of out of raid combat
the target dummy sim removes those!
onyx gust
ah cool
onyx gust
still learning raidbots and this game xD
tacit crystal
yeah i highrolled my p3 damage of lura cause i had 3 stacks of executioner like ...
yeah you also bug abused
stable fiber
yeah you also bug abused
this was my latest kill
bud
only rank 5 cause i didnt pot p4 for +150k p4 dps
tacit crystal
cope
tacit crystal
gg
hasty pumice
stable fiber
dude he had the perfect kill holy shit
everyone lives to the execute of p4 then like 3 people die
so he gets more execute time
tacit crystal
how do i get more sd in gathers
or how do i get dks to not wxplode a pack before i get a second bs
hasty pumice
how do i get more sd in gathers
Follow me on tiktok for more SD procs
tacit crystal
shit game
stable fiber
yo btw
tacit crystal
blwo up
stable fiber
does sd proc more in aoe?
stable fiber
i am?
lmao
does each individual hit of cleave have a chance to proc slayer strikes i havent noticed
tacit crystal
wym i am
stable fiber
or is it sweep
tacit crystal
@latent moss
onyx gust
if i did Same dmg only like +200dmg more than sim that mean i play rotation good? XD
stable fiber
probably yeah
onyx gust
holy shyt
onyx gust
what
stable fiber
disregard talking about something else
onyx gust
sory boss
latent moss
<@692035495718551564>
idk slayer at all man
i didnt know how bs cdr worked for a very long time
stable fiber
nah it makes sense
latent moss
how does slayers strrike proc
even
what does your attacks
mean
auto asttacks or all attacks
latent moss
cause apex says your melee single target ABILITIES
latent moss
on dummies i did notice slayers strike perma proccing
stable fiber
the primary hit of cleave on your target has a 15% chance to proc a slayer strike
latent moss
when i press cleave
stable fiber
but the fervor of battle also has a 15% chance
SS has a icd though
so it becomes a 30% every time you cleave
so you get much more consistent ss procs on aoe
hold, ill actually check a key too see if the icd thing is true
i think it is
misty chasm
fast way to lvlup a toon is still delve/dungeon spam? not gonna buy any kind of boost
fleet nexus
Is there any way to get the training dummy toy for keys (Mythic+) right now?
sour compass
fast way to lvlup a toon is still delve/dungeon spam? not gonna buy any kind of ...
I leveled from 70-90 in about 7h I guess - it was all dungeons/delves and profession. 70-80 is very fast if you spam dungeons once 80 you just do all the delves then Q for dungeons and turn in the delve quests at 88 then ur are almost 90 rest I did with enchanting
I had like 20k marls from my mains and bought 20 of the caches and instantly was 240 + 4set
stable fiber
on dummies i did notice slayers strike perma proccing
ok so this is interesting lmao
let me find a good example of it
so the icd shit you guys figured out with executioners precision applies to slayer strikes as well while cleaving but its not because of your gcd being too fast
fervor happens .600 ms after the cleave
stable fiber
the initial hit of cleave can proc slayer strikes on your main target, and so can the fervor slam
but if the cleave procs the slayer strikes it goes on a icd and the slam cant proc it
if the cleave doesnt proc it then the fervor can proc it normally
balmy kindle
Interesting
stable fiber
so its just a 30% proc chance every cleave to proc slayer strikes
which is kinda nice
i would prefer if it worked with like a 2.25% chance to proc both when you cleave
15% x 15%
but both could still proc
it seems to have a icd around .800 milliseconds
usually they are like 1 second or so
balmy kindle
Kinda big if true, means slayer strike technically benefits from funnel
sour compass
you basically spam bonus rolls in pit right?
balmy kindle
Yeah pos is a good one for starters
sour compass
❤️
balmy kindle
If you strike garfrost or wedding ring
sour compass
yeah looking for these 2 and set pieces
like 3/4 set pieces, belt aint that bad too right? neck is ok too I guess?
balmy kindle
Yeah neck is near bis too
sour compass
should be a fun week :3
latent moss
belt is insane
sour compass
have all the rolls from start
latent moss
neck is bis basically
salhadaar neck is w/e
u gain some crit lose some haste
irrelevant
sour compass
sure, I craft cloak frist right?
latent moss
yeah
sour compass
cool then I am all set for mythics this week 🙂
wild fractal
should I have execute on top damage as slayer in m+ ?
thick kelp
ish
stable fiber
should I have execute on top damage as slayer in m+ ?
sometimes depends on key a bit
if there is bosses with big damage amps (or just a lot of bosses in general) execute can tend to be higher since you can have execute inside damage amps which causes you to have execute go crazy
think like lura in seat
also good rng vs bad rng
wild fractal
got it ty
leaden garnet
should I have execute on top damage as slayer in m+ ?
Do you mean "Execute is my top damage, is that normal?", or do you mean "Execute is not my top damage, should it be?"
I only play Slayer in AA and SR (and next reset I may just play Colo in every key). My damage breakdown is typically like this, with the top four trading places basically according to RNG (including tank skill RNG)
gleaming grail
Hi,
In aoe, how to you monitor that rend buff is up or not on all target ?
Using the buff tracker only show on the target, but target rend get refreshed while others don't
latent moss
nameplates
gleaming grail
nameplates
Arf that's what I thought, a shame we can't have it with all the buff and spell tracking as we used to do back in weakaura era
latent moss
idk i always used nameplates for rend tracking in aoe
stable fiber
I use cdm and nameplates
stable fiber
idk i always used nameplates for rend tracking in aoe
I sent 500 cleaves into the target dummies and it never gave me 2 stacks of executioners so it's safe to say it has a icd
CRINGE
bad game
stable fiber
I mean I spend 30 Mins on them everyday
Minimum
Any character or spec
Keep the fingers moving
stable fiber
hasty pumice
idk i always used nameplates for rend tracking in aoe
Same, I do have simple bars for another rend bar above my CDs tho just to make sure
sour compass
can you sim the colossus buffs already?
latent moss
ye i have a rend tracker that tracks it on my target
sour compass
ty
rain cipher
Which addon is this ? I noticed it in Biz's streams
soft peak
Itrulia qol i think
There are 2 popular qol addons and i think itrulia has this
I have it too
distant coyote
whats the gap between slayer and colossus in m+
wild fractal
Do you mean "Execute is my top damage, is that normal?", or do you mean "Execute...
I was trying to ask how should be the damage order, your answer is enough for me ty
late lantern
questio for both Slayer and Colo in m+ do we just send cd's on cd? sometimes it feel a bit weird as colossus smash is up but BS is not for a while so i wont get it in there unless u get 4 or more procs in a row.
With colo its better to send on cd in aoe as u get stacks quick and get to use demo but in ST that is not the case, do we hold or just send aswell?
wild fractal
how is this damage split it was +14 mc, I am 275 ilevel
rain cipher
There are 2 popular qol addons and i think itrulia has this
thanks
latent moss
@stable fiber bro
crit diamond outsimming regular diamond
at 3 sockets
hello
as colo
desert briar
Why is my dmg as slayer in first pulls so ass
latent moss
col doesnt do very good in first pulls either
hasty pumice
col doesnt do very good in first pulls either
I peak at 700-800k now and finish with 500-600k
That's definitely not bad
It's not druid but
latent moss
ye its not insane but its not bad either
hasty pumice
Definitely strong. You just really have to prestack quickly
latent moss
is what i was trying to say
hasty pumice
The prestack and double demolish within the first CS is the big gamechanger
Without that the first pull is way worse
dim basalt
pre-stacking in pugs kekw
50% of tanks in pugs just bodypull
For hours I listened to guildies complain about pug tanks because they kept aggroing just by using Consume or Spinning Crane Kick
FOTM tanks 3-4 key levels below top are completely dogshit
hasty pumice
pre-stacking in pugs kekw
You check what the tank does and prestack with parry
sour compass
The prestack and double demolish within the first CS is the big gamechanger
how do you pre-stack to an M+ sir
hasty pumice
I do it every single key
hasty pumice
how do you pre-stack to an M+ sir
You do sweeps in prepull and walk with the tank and spam ms op
ashen night
god yes.. had a guardian just run by not doing anything while gathering. i thought i missed him using skills.. pressed rend and instantly died even though he was on his way to 3rd Pack
hasty pumice
If the tank only body pulls, do it with parry and then meld
scenic umbra
Abandon inmediatly
hasty pumice
It doesn't matter outside of high keys
sour compass
You do sweeps in prepull and walk with the tank and spam ms op
ok ic
latent moss
just send a 0 stack demolish
hasty pumice
With regular tanks you can do op ms like 3-4x before you get threat if they use two GCDs
latent moss
on opener
hasty pumice
That sounds horrid
hasty pumice
That doesn't sound worth it
scenic umbra
Be a warrior.
latent moss
well u get 2 demos in first cs
hasty pumice
From what I've seen from other arms like biz, it's definitely better to wait like 5 secs even mid pull til you are almost max stacks
Then cs into ravaged spam cleave
And then fully stacked demo
scenic umbra
You can get two stacked demos in first CS
latent moss
probably simmable
hasty pumice
And I can speak for myself I'm hitting way higher numbers on first pulls that way
Than immediately sending
latent moss
yeah but u open on the pack wiht 10 stacks no
dim basalt
I need to push again but I also cba
hasty pumice
yeah but u open on the pack wiht 10 stacks no
No I go like 6-7 stacks
scenic umbra
I wait till the stack all the mobs
hasty pumice
Then I do triple cleave
scenic umbra
Then blast
hasty pumice
Ofc
hasty pumice
But I get it done in every dungeon minus AA
hasty pumice
Cause in AA I played slayer lul
scenic umbra
Sometimes I shit self and can only do 4 stscks
latent moss
is imminent demise stackable in aa
latent moss
prestackable i mean
dim basalt
Has anyone here played with pwar in 20+ recently
latent moss
u put cleave on cd
dim basalt
Its the cleave cd
scenic umbra
Three three cleaves give you stacks
dim basalt
But Im sure the diff is very marginal
latent moss
same argument we had in here ages ago with slayer
scenic umbra
To be able to doble demolish
latent moss
yes u cs then 3 cleaves then demolish
scenic umbra
Sims for sure doesnt see that you are racing with your colossus debuff
Nah that cant be true
Sounds based
Im sure of you dont send the cleaves after
scenic umbra
You dont have time to double demolish in a cd window
Ah
Then maybe
But in a real scenario
latent moss
actions.colossus_aoe+=/demolish,if=buff.colossal_might.stack=10&(debuff.colossus_smash.remains>2|cooldown.colossus_smash.remains>10)
actions.colossus_aoe+=/cleave
actions.colossus_aoe+=/demolish,if=debuff.colossus_smash.remains>=2
scenic umbra
Pre stack - smash - demolish and cleavex3
hasty pumice
I can just say from own experience that it feels way stronger to prestack because if you send early you'll likely miss 2-4 mobs
scenic umbra
If you do otherwise i doubt you ll get anothr demolish in cs
latent moss
prestacking while tank is gathering ye
hasty pumice
You have time to prestack anyways
latent moss
if its already gathered ure just wasting time
scenic umbra
So you have it again after stacks aere down
hasty pumice
if its already gathered ure just wasting time
If the entire pack is gathered and you pressed nothing until then
Then you're doing it wrong
At some point the tank has threat from all the mobs and they aren't stacked yet
Going in with 0 stacks is troll
latent moss
im saying if it happens
hasty pumice
Most of the tanks semi range pull one pack to the huge pulls
During that time you can always prestack
If you're worried about threat, parry or reset it with meld
I hear from friends in 20s that their warriors always die on prestacking
novel raven
If you're worried about threat, parry or reset it with meld
i think this is terrible advice
hasty pumice
I never have any issues
novel raven
wasting wall on it specifically
latent moss
i dont see a world where u just die as colo arms in a pack
novel raven
like ya, if i pull while pre building i wall
hasty pumice
While gaining a ton of damage with parry
novel raven
but i think going in planning to parry it is bad
hasty pumice
You trade a Def cd for massive damage
When we have infinite Def CDs
We have perma 30% DR if needed
And you gain way more than you lose from quickly stance dancing
novel raven
im not even saying your wrong, ofc its optimal from a key/dps perspective
hasty pumice
I'm doing fine with that strat in 22s / 23s
novel raven
but i think this is one of those things that telling the audience that didnt alrdy think/plan to do it
hasty pumice
I don't see how it's terrible advice when I also see other people on that level do it
novel raven
is bad
scenic umbra
I think it can be reduced to if you are doing below 18/19 its completely irrelevant
scenic umbra
And better send 0 stacks
hasty pumice
You wanna keep meld there for heal absorb
Cause meld gets rid of the massive heal absorb
scenic umbra
Above that if you are not prestacking you are terri trolling
hasty pumice
That's the only time where i wouldn't use meld for stacking
novel raven
meld is fine
latent moss
meld is a bigger defensive on that pack
hasty pumice
Exactly
latent moss
that absorb is unreal
scenic umbra
Hahahaha
novel raven
i wasnt talking about that pull exactly.....
im saying the advice for the general audience of this discord
hasty pumice
Brother I don't mean to be condescending but so far I don't see why you're trying to invalidate my advice
hasty pumice
The general audience in this discord plays 12-18 keys
novel raven
probably not good for them
hasty pumice
Where it doesn't matter if you use meld or defs
scenic umbra
Exactly
latent moss
u can probably eat melees
hasty pumice
Cause you survive everything by pressing Def stance guaranteed
latent moss
in those keys
hasty pumice
Yes
hasty pumice
With ilvl 285-290 I'd be hard pressed if you die through Def stance
hasty pumice
Your parry will likely not be very useful in keys lower than 18
Why not use it
For DPS gain
Your point would make more sense if it was the other way around
The higher the key the more value a Def cd has
latent moss
how dumb is stance mastery
one of the best additions to warrior in recent years icl
hasty pumice
And yet even in the highest keys we use parry for stacking
hasty pumice
I don't understand your issue with my advice
novel raven
i think this is just the classic touch of karma argument, where good players will optimize dps out of karma because they will correctly play everything else well
latent moss
ok but bro
novel raven
and then you have people in guilds who struggling to cutting edge popping karma and standing in puddles
hasty pumice
You're ignoring Def stance
novel raven
when they can just actually have an extra o shit button
hasty pumice
Tell me what are you going to die to with Def stance up
latent moss
taunt tank buster with no spell reflect
novel raven
arcane salvo + dot
latent moss
owned.
novel raven
on windrunner 1st pull
hasty pumice
And I'm not counting like AA22 sentinel aoe knockback
hasty pumice
on windrunner 1st pull
You don't die there with Def stance and spell reflect up
hasty pumice
Ye
latent moss
hoooly
hasty pumice
I never have parry there
hasty pumice
And never died from damage
hasty pumice
Okay if you prestack there's a chance that the pack dies quicker when people are out of Def CDs
Preventing more deaths
novel raven
even if you live with sr/dtsance
hasty pumice
You survive everything