arms

[fast plover]

Sim does not take into account funnel dmg
You obliterate any prio target as arms

[rapid cairn]

Even when I hit a dummy for 2 minutes, I get the same result. It’s not just about prio or funnel damage either, Arms is also higher on Archon in terms of overall damage.
For example, can you check the damage I did in a +18 key? Compared to the current +18 Arms rankings, it looks like I did an insanely high amount of damage. -> https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Xnj7YR4v83kmZQp2?fight=last&type=damage-done

[pearl shore]

it does when looking at the full html report

[fast plover]

Well yeah but I'm talking about the raw numbers he is looking at

[rapid cairn]

I know this obviously depends on things like the other characters in the group and how much damage they’re doing, but even when I look at the top 50 most recent runs, the damage still seems way higher.

[pearl shore]

meant it more as an addition to your explanation for him to know where to look^^

[coral cargo]

Sorry if this was asked before but the buff for Practiced Strikes count as a buff for heroic strike and 3+ targets cleave situations?

[minor gust]

https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1234949058121171069

[coral cargo]

Thanks ❤️

[stable minnow]

!sheet

[steel marsh]

Hi guys, can somebody help me out, been trying to go with colossus but the dmg just isnt there, but i want to understand what i am doing wrong to improve dmg, specially in aoe
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/kb7ZFjG6zg1rMxh8?fight=last&type=damage-done&source=1

[drifting sparrow]

charge in rend, ravager, avatar, CS, cleavex3, MS, Demo. Cleave > MS > OP during multi targer. Keep SS up. Demo, CS on CD. only use Ravager w/ the rest of CD's, and only use avatar w/ CS.

Idk what else to suggest other than that 🙂 colo dmg is amazing rn

only demo w/ 5+ stacks of colossal might

that first pack w/ BL will be a bit underwhelming but the rest of the dungeon will be really good

don't ravager on ST bosses.

[proper moth]

Boys we running M+ build in M chim or the multi target raid spec

[slow saddle]

Tbh chim st // raid spec

[proper moth]

Have him in farm already just trying to parse🤣

Slayer the move then?

[slow saddle]

U wont

And never care

That.boss is pure dog

[proper moth]

Lmao

Well shit

[tranquil swift]

I saw crit send his demo early pull without lots of stacks before the 3 cleaves

[slow saddle]

Well watch him use ms stacked

Havin sev stacks uo

[zenith lodge]

parsing on chimaerus is just inting, either you ask everyone to not hit adds as colo or you go slayer and dont even care about adds except when its your turn inside

[slow saddle]

And even then..
Adds are exploded by rets ddhs and such

[proper moth]

Gotcha gotcha

Thanks for the wisdom bois

[slow saddle]

Tbh if goin down 1st i guess u could try and hold bladestorm

[river ridge]

My guild has a Ret, Two devouer DHs, and two Demo Warlocks. I don't get to look at thoes adds xD

[slow saddle]

Ha we have...

The same

🤣

[slow saddle]

🤣

[novel raven]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/47?bracket=21&class=Warrior&metric=dps

the windrunner and seat keys are ppl playing arms then swapping fury for last boss

but, basicially pick whatever key level you want, if overall is the metric arms wins, only close keys are AA and SR

even in AA critcake is doing 10% more dmg than nox on 22

critcake doing 15% more in SR still

[proper moth]

Yeah but crit cake has a passive 20% dmg buff for having huge nuts

[sacred summit]

real

lmfao

[sacred summit]

wait why fury? does slayer fury have more pure st than slarms?

[slow saddle]

Yes?

Prob burst phase timers

[sacred summit]

does anyone know why we use ravager before cs? ravager buffs cleave damage so shouldnt we use ravager after cs so we have more uptime on ravager when we can use cleave

[sacred summit]

ah, yea that makes sense. u could probs use ur cds more often as fury on that fight and still have it up for the damage amp phase

[slow saddle]

My only guess

[novel raven]

granted MC is like, peak arms, but my gray parse dead for 30% of a boss dummy self is ahead of nox

[slow saddle]

As i just slarms that key

Slayer arms

[novel raven]

fury still super viable tho IMO, esp when you dont have skyfury, but i think its pretty safe to say default arms is just better regardless of your sim

[minor gust]

The difference is negligible

[winged island]

Hi guys, 50k for the trinket of Vorasius is expensive?

[novel raven]

extra global in CS window and you dont actually lose any buffed cleave casts unless lusted iirc

[proper moth]

What level?

Hero that’s not bad

Mythic it’s a steal

[slow saddle]

Cheap af

Hero

If mythic saves u loads of br's u can send into pit

[sacred summit]

oh gotcha. yea i guess i am losing a gcd during cs if i use ravager post cs. interesting that i dont lose any buffed cleave cast unless lusted tho

[proper moth]

You gotta be a gigachad to slarms at that level though

[sacred summit]

that must be why critcake uses ravager after cs on the paladins fight

i was watching his vanguard pov/guide and noticed he used ravager after cs

[proper moth]

That’s the new tech

[novel raven]

bozo alrdy said it tho, negligible in reality

uptime is the real king

dont have dead globals, always be in melee, it will work out

[minor gust]

It ain't that deep as a warrior. Just make sure you are pressing buttons every global.

This spec is very much just vibes

[novel raven]

^

[minor gust]

Your dmg gonna swing more from rng than it is you min maxing a CD global

[winged island]

I bought MM for 50k

[proper moth]

Blame Rng for inting the key💯😎

[minor gust]

[novel raven]

rogues do it all the time

[proper moth]

😂

[hybrid needle]

Why do you even have to buy it in the first place

[leaden garnet]

Even if your first GCD after CS is Demo?

[minor gust]

It dropped someone else won and offered to sell or he offered to buy

[reef prairie]

is there special tech to pull funnel onto last boss of spire?

[hybrid needle]

Ah, the classic "i dont need it so i roll and sell it" sunofa

[reef prairie]

or can you just click the portal in combat

[minor gust]

I don't think there is but you can always port out respec ST and port back in

[reef prairie]

no like

people do it

i just dont know how

[minor gust]

Interesting yeah idk maybe check out Critcake or biz vods

[hybrid needle]

what buff do you guys grab in aa

[minor gust]

Now that ik the EP bug has to do with haste its def a Crit angle for AA buff

[hybrid needle]

XD Fair point

[winged island]

A UH rolled it when he have Gaze MM and Light company MM for "Blood offspec"

[safe vigil]

I actually tried in AA, haste buff, haste flask and I didn't get the EP bug anywhere but on crawth, cause of lust execute

[candid pecan]

EP bug? is that when you have 1 stack of EP and the next execute does not grant the 2nd EP stack?

cause i noticed that sometimes

[atomic chasm]

Is Slayer top spec currently?

[dim basalt]

no

[hybrid needle]

Man, balance druids are useless.
Went into an AA and was looking at my 200k lasher dps with a mere 450k overall. Then druid said i deal no damage cause he had 900k with 75k lasher dps

[dim basalt]

ye its that one

[atomic chasm]

Is Arms pretty easy these days?

[minor gust]

Weird but good to know.

[dim basalt]

Feral should be at like 300k lasher dps minimum ngl

They completely annihilate them

[hybrid needle]

what oes that have to do with balance

[dim basalt]

Oh I missed the balance part

mb

[atomic chasm]

Which hero spec would be easier to learn the class with? I'm coming from Prot and don't know the first thing about Arms

I'm looking at Warcraft logs and it seems pretty split between the two

[latent moss]

slayer

[dim basalt]

Slayer for sure

[atomic chasm]

Dope, I'll take a look at Icy Veins and see what it says about rotation. Love you

[hybrid needle]

i hate AA so much

[fierce thunder]

I dislike SoT the most

[potent drum]

does Col play significantly different from Slayer Arms?

[proper moth]

Not terribly

[potent drum]

I feel like Mortal strike is higher prio than overpowered in Col, but feel like i'm missing something
Also, the need to stacking 10 colosal might before demolish is forcing risk at the beginning of the dj to not delay the cd use too much

[proper moth]

Demo CD doesn’t really exist. First pull of dungeon is always a lil goofy

Want try to stack demo while tank gathers with ss up

[nova marsh]

as additional advice to this, swap targets as much as you can to avoid pulling threat

[vocal ore]

hey guys, just start to play arms this week, wondering what i can be doing wrong, any help to imporve my dmg?https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/cayL8kHqPgvhNC6x?fight=12&type=damage-done

[mortal crag]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/AVQB1mR2xrMZnGKj?fight=2&type=damage-done

SURELY

I UPLOAD THIS

TO YOUTUBE

NO?

@latent moss SURELY

@thick kelp SURELY

[elfin kindle]

what the helly

why do i randomly see this

[hasty pumice]

https://media4.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExdDQ1b3JmM2s5dGNhYWJraWw3Z21wbXdsbDNkNnN5M3lhZ3l3bml5ZiZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/EYRC0Cg6lcTdn5Ubaf/giphy.gif

[exotic palm]

Will Mortal Strike have higher prio again than Overpower after reset?

[elfin kindle]

this is my pug exp

@hasty pumice

[hasty pumice]

my pug exp is throwing 2 seats 22s at the end

one because tank forced damage amp before BL

12s overtime

[elfin kindle]

oh no

[hasty pumice]

2nd cause someone missed beam and healer went oom

fun times

[elfin kindle]

do you also do 10 mins of explaining hwo they should pull for u

for them to fuck it up 1st pull?

[hasty pumice]

bro I'm not explaining shit to people

[elfin kindle]

I try but i gave up on pugs and i just go slayer now

its depressing xd

[vocal ore]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/cayL8kHqPgvhNC6x?fight=12&type=summary

[vapid goblet]

wdym pull for you

??

[vocal ore]

can u explain to me why my dmg so sht?

[hasty pumice]

they pull his nose for him

so he can focus on gaming

[minor gust]

OP is only higher priority for slayer aoe these buffs are Colo only

[vapid goblet]

why is cleave so low the frick

[exotic palm]

ye i mean for colo

wait

[minor gust]

Colo is already cleave MS OP for aoe

[vocal ore]

i dont know i start this week, thats why im asking

[vapid goblet]

i press that shit on cd the funnel dam is crazy

[latent moss]

truth nuke

https://tenor.com/view/girls-und-panzer-gup-truth-nuke-trvke-katyusha-gif-3214992808214369110

[latent moss]

aaaand its getting buffed 🥀🥀

[minor gust]

You guys gonna have to change your names back to colo

[hybrid needle]

What the actual F are DPS shamans used for ?

[minor gust]

Skyfury

[fiery inlet]

average shaman experience

even the random resto shams in my 18's 19's feel useless

[tropic crest]

Enhancement is very good in M+ honestly

[tropic lodge]

I feel like since resilient exist and keys dont oneshot that much, lot of useless players in higher keys

[pearl shore]

so whats the key to blasting in high m+ as arms

cd timing and casting cleave every 3rd global?

do you just send your (synced) cds everytime they're up as long as the pack lives long enough?

[tropic crest]

track Colossal Might and Sweeping Strikes buff

[pearl shore]

do you recast SS instantly during CS asap when it drops off?

[tropic crest]

You should try to always have SS up mate.

[pearl shore]

ok gotcha, I can improve on that

[tropic crest]

Consider that for example if your Ms Crit you get 2 stack of CMight.
If sweeping Strikes is up the stacks become 4.
If CMight is alredy at max stacks it means you get 20 seconds of Demolish cd reduction with a MS

So you can cast much more Demolish. Etc…

[pearl shore]

and how do you correctly handle demolish? ALWAYS 10 stacks inside CS? or lower for ST? or in the opener?

i've read you can cast demolish outside of cs at 10 stacks when cs is >10s cd left

[outer turret]

Is ARMS back on the menu?

[nova marsh]

Chief weve been on the menu for the whole season lmao

[hybrid needle]

You can do that cause a Single MS is up to 4 stacks so up to 20s cdr on demolish.
If youre in an aoe Situation youll get so much cdr on Demo that youll have the Demo back before you cast the 3 cleaves after cs

[minor gust]

Most people simply struggle with positioning and missing targets with demolish cleave and DN. Uptime and using every global is also and issue for a lot of people. Not really the pushing correct buttons part

[pearl shore]

that's probably also a big factor since there is no real indicator for cleave and demolish range

kinda feelycrafty for me currently

[tropic crest]

For rotation just check Wowhead.
You can also check the APLs if you want to go inside it.
Anyway SS is a pillar for the spec to work properly.
Obviously arms is very positional as Frozenbozo says, so you have to consider it. Overpower (Dreadnaught), Demolish, Cleave can be maximized by positioning properly

[minor gust]

Play around with it on training dummies. Move around and get used to the radius of cleave and demo and how DN lines work. Helps build that knowledge of how big cleave and demolish is

[tropic crest]

Another big thing to consider is Mass Execution. Cleave become big on dieing packs, so don’t wait to send your CSmash… When targets are under 35% it’s the best time to destroy them with Csmash+cleaves, send it! It comes back VERY fast

Sorry for my bad english, hope it’s clear 😄

[warped prism]

hmm so COL arms in m+ even in pugs/without boss funnel after patch prob? so just COL arms always?

[plush anchor]

cant seem to do nearly as good with arms as I do with fury. Should I just be a fury chad or stick it out with arms?

[tranquil swift]

What’s the ideal positioning

[plush anchor]

I struggle with arms because there's not a clear priority list its all situational. Props to the arms pumpers out there its def not easy

[wet brook]

you cannot charge third boss on skyreach?

[balmy kindle]

you can

[wet brook]

so when tou get hit by the blazing claws thing is because the tank is not in melle?

[hybrid needle]

I think im seeing a pattern here

[proper moth]

I have yet to pull this off consistently😩

[minor gust]

Make sure everything is in front of you and you are close to the pack. Cleave cone is deceptively small. Practice on dummies hit all 5 then slowly creep pack or move one side to the other to see when you stop hitting all 5. Not something that can easily be explained.

[minor gust]

Prio is pretty clear? What are you confused about?

[tranquil swift]

Yeah I’ll practice. Been playing slayer in pugs. I still feel like slayer cranks pretty good!

[minor gust]

It's because you got there before tank did

[tranquil swift]

Had a bad experience on wind where he last boss just wouldn’t die and I was no help cause I was col lol

[minor gust]

Yes slayer does really good dmg slayer is also punished less for positioning mistakes since a lot of its aoe is 360 vs Colo aoe is all in on cleave

[tranquil swift]

It freaking cranks when you have CS up and going between the cleave and execution rotation

Feels a bit easier

[warped prism]

wondering if COL arms over salyer for m+ after new patch even for regular runs without boss funnel on adds. not sure

[flat willow]

the fervor of battle heroic strikes are going to be absolutely diabolical

[minor gust]

Still gonna be play what you wanna play

[dark minnow]

for slayer m+ do i want to allign bs with avatar and colo or if colo and bs are up just send it?

[proper moth]

I thought col>slayer for m+ already

[fiery inlet]

Col's performance varies due to external factors u cant control

[minor gust]

Always align BS with CS don't worry about holding for ava unless ava is 10sec away from being available.

[dim basalt]

The latter

Avatar is a joke of a cd

[ashen arrow]

I believe right now it's col>slayer when you can get funnel on the bosses.

So it's harder to col on pugs as most tanks do not understand funnel on bosses.

[dim basalt]

1.5 min 20% vs ~25s cd between 35-50%

[dark minnow]

thanks

[minor gust]

Uhm acktually it's not a 1.5 min cd

[dim basalt]

1 min I forgor

[vital prairie]

whats the trade off for aoe to st if i go slayer for m+

[hybrid needle]

Less consistant aoe

And about 30% more st

[fresh spire]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-ackchyually-actually-gif-11156171

[flat willow]

slayer ain't doing 50% more st

it's like 25% less aoe for 25% more st

all numbers are taken out of my ass, do not ask for sims

[mild dagger]

New high, only a +11

[hybrid needle]

Its def more than 25% st

Actually, 30% is pretty accurste according to Sims

[minor gust]

[proper moth]

Slayer or Col?

[mild dagger]

Col.

Been a while since I've been Thane Fury all season

[plush anchor]

not sure honestly, I just pump so much harder on fury. Is there a simple priority list I can find somewhere? I basically just make sure rend is up, I pop ravager, smash, and avatar off cooldown, hit sweeping strikes and demolish, and spam cleave and mortal strike the rest of the way while pressing OP and execute procs, rinse and repeat and i'm significantly lower than MT fury. I will say that on target dummies im putting out more dps on arms tho which is why I said the priority seems situational

[vital prairie]

so its more worth to go slayer aoe?

[shadow osprey]

I am assuming you have another set of gear from haste mastery to more crit haste? You dont need to press sweeping strikes because it will automatically be applied when you pop your cds so you can save that gcd.

Are you having or about to have cs up on each pull or are you having tons of downtime bevause you used at the end of a pack?

[native niche]

Yeah you need to alternate CS and sweeping strikes, as sweeping strikes pops instantly off of CS

[minor gust]

Sounds like you struggle with positioning. Make sure you are actually hitting everything with cleave and demolish and DN. It's very easy to miss mobs in actual key scenarios gotta remember arms is all about frontals can't be carried like fury with 360 aoe.

[minor gust]

Both hero specs are very good right now. Play what's more fun to you.

[vital prairie]

kk ty

[shadow osprey]

What's DN

[native niche]

Slayer is more straight forward, Colo you need to keep sweeping strikes in check, have a good group/tank that enable you and manage CDs more efficiently. Imo Colo feels better when it works tho

Slayer is more faceroll and can help if you usually stare at your actionbars a lot

[umbral badger]

clearly , your imagination.

[silent saddle]

if Im' going to craaft boots, I should create the ones with avoidance proc right? they seem no different from the regular craft

oooh that's an embellishment, nvm

[silent sun]

so for rn slayer is better in pugs than col?

but come tuesday col over slayer?

[atomic chasm]

What is happening Tuesday, what did I miss?

[silent sun]

more buffs

[atomic chasm]

Are there notes anywhere?

[neon shale]

Proof, of ass

[proper moth]

Post it here no need to dm

[proper moth]

Colo and thane buff

[north tinsel]

how do you guys do spires last boss

[proper moth]

ST rotation?

[north tinsel]

any secret where to stand

its always a mess

I can't get good uptime on boss

[neon shale]

@flat willow we’re waiting

[echo ibex]

In slayter build is it worth going mass executioner insted of powerfull momentum?

[dim basalt]

No

[echo ibex]

can u explain alittle about why not i cant make sences about it LOL

[dim basalt]

Because Cleave doesn't do as much damage as Slayer as it does as Col

You can just sim it and notice it doesn't do much

[flat willow]

do not ask for sims OR ass

[plush anchor]

The reason I switched was because my stats are actually heavily favored towards crit>haste. I definitely might be messing up by pressing cs at the end of packs as I said I’m just pressing shit on cooldown so between that and what someone else mentioned with positioning that might be my issue

[proper moth]

Colo after Tuesday gonna be the superior choice😎

[rigid blade]

what do you guys think will be better next reset
fury or arms?]

[pseudo wadi]

Any thoughts on berserker’s rage enchant vs rendori? 290gs with basically the wowhead bis list. Sims consistently out rendori ahead, but curious of when to consider BR vs why other players tend to prefer it

[night sparrow]

ARMS GODS

I'm setting up my bars

I need some jesus arms player to give me some good bars

[mild dagger]

What would y'all say are the best/worst dungeons for Colossus?

[full grotto]

skyreach on col is not so hot

[dim basalt]

Best MC, worst AA

SR is not bad as col with a good tank

Can take funnel for first 2 bosses technically

Tho most only do it for first boss

[night sparrow]

does anyone macro colossus into demo on same button?

[dim basalt]

No

Shouldn't do that

[full grotto]

not a good idea

[night sparrow]

is it always smash into demo or no?

[dim basalt]

No

[full grotto]

you can get two demo for each smash

[sweet crest]

Don’t do demolish if you don’t have smash

[full grotto]

not true

[sweet crest]

Only if the pack going to die do it

[dim basalt]

False info

[full grotto]

with demo cd reductions you can get two demo

[sweet crest]

[dim basalt]

You will rarely get two demos into one cs

But in aoe youre better off just using demo on cd

[sweet crest]

Yes but still

If you don’t have the smash buff you need to pref wait

[dim basalt]

No?

[night sparrow]

ohh okay ty

prot main, just now learning arms

[full grotto]

on a perfect world it would be smash+demo -> demo by it self -> then smash + with late demo at the end then smash+demo

or something close

[sweet crest]

I don’t know I’m doing 21s Now it’s working for me

But te be far I’m not perfect I’m looking at critcake bliz etc

[full grotto]

critcake does use demo without smash

[dim basalt]

And so does Biz

[proper moth]

So it’s worth sending demo on cd in AoE with low/no stacks?

[dim basalt]

No

[proper moth]

Ok

[full grotto]

i mean try on cd then figure out what feels good for getting the cd back

limit testing

[dim basalt]

In the opener with no stacks you try to get as many stacks before cs runs out

[full grotto]

thats an aproach

[dim basalt]

Otherwise just use on cd if cs doesn't come up within few seconds

[proper moth]

First pull for example with BL charge rend rav CS cleave x 3 then stack and send demo at 10

[dim basalt]

In aoe that is

In ST you only use demo with cs

[silent sun]

so col all the way rn?

[sweet crest]

AA / sky I go slayer

[full grotto]

fury is pretty good in m+

if you don't feel like managing cds just play fury

[proper moth]

Fury is for furries

[rose matrix]

Fury and Arms basically use CDs the same

Just send them

[cosmic sparrow]

does anyone happen to know why my sims favor fury over arms in both ST and single target despite my stats being crit >haste?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/82KATmzx8mpGwzd2Xtz4t5
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aNgnhoUYyyLXH82ePMz2vL
arms
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/35eM52nEpV9dQvVVbLCB3i
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/j68BnpEfL4GJaagNwEGicd
fury

[night sparrow]

so i know that i've been drinking

but i can't find heroic stike anywhere

on my spellbook

[full grotto]

heroic strike is a proc

slam

its slam

[night sparrow]

oh shit

thank you so much

[neon shale]

https://tenor.com/view/boo-this-man-boo-gif-11031463

[sand prairie]

Is it me or is rage gen on colossus even worse without sham than slayer?

[inner needle]

This was an AA +16, i played slayer on the key, also i am 286 ilvl. I feel like overall should be better...

[sand prairie]

The dmg split seems a bit wrong i think

[neon shale]

its way worse

[sand prairie]

K

[neon shale]

ye mae sure u keep up that rend

especially without sham

[sand prairie]

yea i do

but

its so disgusting sometimes

sitting on 0 rage and going for whiteswing to slam for like 6 seconds

[midnight cradle]

No, my guild message is literally "furry is NOT fury"

[proper moth]

😂

[tawdry sphinx]

Would a worgen fury warrior be a furry?

[clever wave]

So learning some things about arms, if there are two targets for instance 3rd boss skyresch and last boss. Am I pressing cleave or just using st prio list with sweeping ?

Or like the duo boss in WS

[soft sigil]

Prio list and cleaving at 3 stacks of collateral damage

[clever wave]

Ty

[calm garnet]

is there a reason why ppl playing slayer in windrunner/skyreach?

[clever wave]

Not a lot of funnel you can pull and it’s better ST in 4 boss dungeons

Same reason for slayer in AA

[nova marsh]

Normal worgen are

So yes

[sacred zodiac]

okay what about

@dire hinge i see you little mouse

[dire hinge]

[vital prairie]

can you just do 1st bonus's for every profession to lvl from 80-90?

[mossy bane]

Teoreticaly yes, practicaly not sure about cost and even less sure if there is enought first crafts

[vital prairie]

well ive done all the delves, and im 82, i need to bridge the gap between that and 88 lol

[mossy bane]

You should complete delves quest at 88 with war mode, it would push you clode to 90

[vital prairie]

yeah i am i have them all completed

im trying to find the quickest path to 99

88*

[tribal kestrel]

is there any way to track the heroic strike proc?

I want to add an audio cue to the cooldown manager but there is only master of warfare to track and that is also the stacking buff

[wind hatch]

the best way is to just track slam on the cdm

[tribal kestrel]

hm I guess but that way I cant add an audio cue

I hate blizz half assed things. why cant we add macros to the cdm like we can with clickcasting then there would be so many more options including adding racials to cdm

[ripe field]

If you're willing to use certain add-ons like TellMeWhen, you can create an audio cue for such

It will take a little bit a of learning

but once you know how to do it you can customize the hell out of your UI and get visual/audio cues when you want them

[tribal kestrel]

I might have to

[ripe field]

Its cumbersome and Blizz ought to have straightforward solutions to such seemingly simple wants

but it is what it is

[tribal kestrel]

I like the audio cue system they have with the cdm its just so restricted as to what abilities and auras I can add to it

like most obvious one: why are racials not able to be tracked like berserk etc

[ripe field]

Lul I didnt even know that's a thing. Yea, I'd try TellMeWhen out

They have a great support discord

[tribal kestrel]

yea they have a preselection of abilties and procs for your class. anything else cant be added

[exotic horizon]

Guys what is the latest addon for mythic plus ?

[ripe field]

Ye Im semi-familiar with that screen. For TMW to work, whatever ability or passive you're editing must be tracked by the CDM, so I drop whatever I've customized into the above boxes

[tribal kestrel]

imma check it out

I wish they would just add the macro from click casting to the cdm as well, then I it would be super easy to just make your own things

[tribal kestrel]

in what way exactly?

[exotic horizon]

@tribal kestrel I use bigwigs . But I see streamer use diff one . That call out mechanic etc and more clear for mythic plus

[tribal kestrel]

I just use standard blizz for boss mechanic things. and made the debuff tracker bigger and moved to the middle of my screen for adds etc. lol

but the better person to ask would be the streamer

this bar here is from blizz in case you mean that

addons there is bigwigs and the other big one is DBM

@ripe field what do you track for heroic strike in tmw? cause there is no buff for it afaik

spell cooldown?

[vital prairie]

they fixed crafting leveling lol can only get that xp bonus once for similar craft lvls

[ripe field]

You can track Slam and it will automatically swap to Heroic Strike when you have a proc. You'd then want to set up a condition/trigger such that when Slam's icon changes, it produces a sound

[tribal kestrel]

ah okay, because the heroic strike cant be added I figured even with spell id

[ripe field]

This is a bit more advanced, but you could track Slam in TMW, hide the icon by default (its still functional with regards to triggers/conditions) and set it up such that the icon is only visible when it swaps to heroic strike

For that, I'd definitely ask the TMW people because that's a bit over my head

[tribal kestrel]

yeah ill just track slam for now and hope blizzard fixes their cdm eventually

they did say next patch comes with some improvements maybe we are lucky already

[scarlet garnet]

anyone know a fix for the male orc warrior audio bug

[rare kite]

Race change

[exotic horizon]

Guys what spec are you playing ? for each dungeon

[hybrid needle]

AA, SR slayer rest coll p much

[covert drum]

hey guys, any notable stat cap for crit and haste?

[tribal kestrel]

30% crit 25% haste 20% mastery is roughly what you want

[covert drum]

thanks and with this still going for the crit flask?

[minor gust]

Sims will take care of any stat drs you don't have to worry about it

[minor gust]

Slayer in all

[rare kite]

where are you pulling those numbers from xd

[tribal kestrel]

thats what you get with bis simming gear

[minor gust]

https://tenor.com/view/misinformation-spreading-spreading-misinformation-online-gif-4543841945782036495

[rare kite]

you getting that with bis gear doesn't mean you want those exact stats... like if this guy can't get a certain item then he wants different stats

[tribal kestrel]

that is what it means though. the stats is what is being used in the sim unless there is procs

[minor gust]

How much stats you want is gonna vary for every character during the gearing process. Copying bis without actually having bis doesn't help. That's why simming is important.

[tribal kestrel]

during gearing process you cant reach those stat limits anyway so not sure that could apply there anyway

most bis gear sets even with different items here or there end up with those stats in the end

some might have 29 25 23 others might have 33 23 19but they roughly end in that area

but im not arguing against running a sim anyway

[full grotto]

i mean if you are saying that bis gear is a good starting point

i don't think anyone disagrees with that

[tribal kestrel]

yes thats why I said roughly and not exactly

[vagrant hull]

I forgot to go kill Nullaeus, better to do as arms or prot?

[hybrid needle]

Its p much freeloot as prot. More fun as any dps class tho

[stable fiber]

its free if ur like 270+ and spec fury

idk if arms is good at it, tried it as bdk and it was geniuenly impossible

not all tanks built equal

[scarlet garnet]

or just sim

[full grotto]

yea bdk has no damage mitigation so its kind of hard

[night sparrow]

So I'm reviewing some logs of arms player in M+, and I'm seeing that they are casting 5 Mortal Strikes in a row immediately after Bladestorm. How are they doing that? Is there a way to bypass MS cd after Bladestorm?

[full grotto]

its a bug

no

its a talent

Unhinged

look it up

[nova marsh]

It looks likes it after but its during

If it wasnt, you'd see no casts for like 4 seconds or so

[vagrant hull]

Arms was easy as well, but I'm 285 so way overgeared for it lol

[night sparrow]

got it, is there a way to cast more MS during bladestorm? It looks like when I'm sending mine, it's casting 3 MS vs the 5 I'm seeing other logs have.

[nova marsh]

Depends on their build

Well maybe not I have no idea actually

It should be 3 overall?

Or theyre just gaming stacks that give them extra hits

[tranquil swift]

Slayer arms cranks

In keys

[marble sequoia]

every 2 strikes of bladestorm you cast a MS and you increase the total number of bladestorm strikes with imminent demise

[grand sapphire]

you should always have 5 ms casts unless you're somehow sending bs with no imminent demise stacks

which only really happens at the start of the key if you're not prestacking it on the dummy beforehand

[silent sun]

we still doin slayer in SR?

[nova marsh]

Probally

[viral fiber]

Do we use cleave on ST below 35%?

[nova marsh]

no

do not use cleave in st at all

[viral fiber]

Ok how about execute if ai have 2 SD use back to back?

[nova marsh]

Slayer or colossus?

For slayer yes, for colo only use SD as a slam replacement

[viral fiber]

How good is keeping rend uptime I seem to forget it

Around 50% uptime

[nova marsh]

For slayer not that big

For colo you're loosing a ton

[silent saddle]

can we charge out of the bird grip on Skyreach as Slayer/

[viral fiber]

Okay, there seems to be times when our cds desync. Do I just send them or wait and align?

[nova marsh]

short answer: yeah basically
Longer answer: Use cs as a checkpoint for your cds. Do you have CDs? cool send them with cs

[viral fiber]

if we have good rage do we use OP only on proc?

[nova marsh]

no

use OP as listed on prio

I.E: Between MS/cleave and slam

[viral fiber]

listed on prio? what does it mean

ok

[nova marsh]

check wowhead prio

[rose matrix]

Dude just had a full wipe on MT and someone put a abandon vote up so I kinda went afk for like 10 seconds

It failed so I missed the entire next pull but then we still timed it

Kinda crazy that is even possible

[finite ginkgo]

Depends on key lvl

[viral fiber]

do we use demolish on 10 stack on opener

or send it without stacks on pot+ avtar+ CS

[rose matrix]

It was a 20

We timed it with 11 deaths and we were short count after last boss

That is with me thinking the vote would pass since it does 99% of the time and missing an entire pull

[rose matrix]

If you can't get any stacks you can send your Cleaves and MS then send it. Chances are you can just prestack a bit with SS before the pull gathers tho

[viral fiber]

3 cleave + MS is around 6-7 stacks is that fine to send demolish

[rose matrix]

Yeah if you can't get any stacks beforehand

I usually just spam OP and MS with SS while the pack gets fully togther

Even if you can't do it on the start of a pack you can send it while the last few guys get in

[viral fiber]

what is our ST opener if no pre stack

when we send demolish\

[rose matrix]

I usually just send cds

one ms

then Demolish

That's if I have no stacks

[viral fiber]

okay and what is dummy name we can buy from AH

[abstract mango]

As a new arms player would you suggest colussus or slayer for key around 10-12?

[stable fiber]

slayer easier to pug and on the brain

also better boss dps

so id say slayer

[minor gust]

Slayer much more new player friendly.

[abstract mango]

you had me at easier on the brain 😄

[stable fiber]

yeah the easier on the brain part is big

esp for new players

[rigid shell]

How good is arms on big pulls? Because besides cds you only have Cleave which is also on a small cd and then you only hit 2 targets rest of the time?

[minor gust]

you will not be doing any crazy high numbers on something like first pull AA

[stable fiber]

arms big specialty is 3-8 targets

idk other specs very well rn but in that target range i think colossus is like top 3 consistent dps

which makes chaining really good

[latent moss]

arms just isnt good on giant pulls

cleave is softcapped too hard

[minor gust]

Need thunderous roar

[latent moss]

and bleeds are much much weaker than df

[stable fiber]

id take troar > rend

for both specs

[latent moss]

ye in aa first pull troar was by far ur highest dmg

[minor gust]

yeah in DF Troar was basically everything on that pull

[rigid shell]

Hm ye sucks you can’t do much on big pulls

[latent moss]

100%

[latent moss]

well

in first pull aa u do a ton of relevant dmg

[minor gust]

It doesnt matter because you just do the same dmg every pull

so you top overall anyways

[latent moss]

u explode the big lashers

[stable fiber]

you can kill 1 lasher pretty quickly which is important for the tanks survivability

[rigid shell]

Ye some good focus dmg?

[minor gust]

yeah arms is big prio dmg right now

[stable fiber]

arms most prio in game

[minor gust]

big reason why it feels very good

[pulsar frost]

Prio damage is good and feels amazing

[rigid shell]

Ye true

[pulsar frost]

Swapped to fury or play a non prio target spec and it snot as enjoyable imo

[rigid shell]

Ye I play frost mage atm so not that much prio dmg

[latent moss]

im pretty sure colo is the highest prio

in the game

[rigid shell]

Ye also important to have in the group

[soft parrot]

i also play frost, the prio is pretty decent i think. They definitely don't do mass aoe that's for sure 😭

[pulsar frost]

Arms still has the best prio in the game. Even as slayer. Tho it feels good as slayer over colo imo

[rigid shell]

Haha for sure that sucks. It’s also good cleave tho

[slow saddle]

Which is why slarms is so fun best of all worlds

[pulsar frost]

[slow saddle]

Exept mass aoe, which i rly dont care bout st all

[pulsar frost]

As it should be

Would be sick if we did lots of aoe tho

[slow saddle]

Well i think it does a lot of aoe ngl

Its not like u are bad in aoe at all

[pulsar frost]

It does good amount. Judt would be sick to be decently near colo numbers but I get why its not

[viral fiber]

Do we use slam over OP?

[pulsar frost]

Would like to be a spec that decently gets to 1m dps on massive pulls besides when other 2 dps dont do damage

[pulsar frost]

No

[slow saddle]

Or u mean as col?

[viral fiber]

As colossus

[slow saddle]

Hmm still no

Op gives ms reset chancw

We want ms

[pulsar frost]

Ms crits stacks is way more better then slam

[slow saddle]

And op still does good dmg

[pulsar frost]

And ms itself does more anyways

[viral fiber]

Do we use battle pot on execute or beginning on boss if no BL

[stable fiber]

ive been doing pot in execute if the boss is less then 5 mins

if the boss is over 5 mins i use on pull with bl

so like first 3 of voidspire i send in execute

[viral fiber]

Not doing raid btw 18 keys

[stable fiber]

oh

if its not the end boss i would do beginning whenever you have cooldowns

[pulsar frost]

idk i kinda like just using pots during aoe packs tbh

[stable fiber]

thats the best for the highest overall sure

[pulsar frost]

but ye i just send pots at the start with cds

[stable fiber]

@viral fiber
Pretty much just use pot on cooldown whenever you use all your strong cooldowns (avatar and(or) ravager/bladestorm).

if on the last boss of a dungeon and there is no damage amp (think of algethar last boss) and you are playing slayer, wait till you have execute + cooldowns

if there is a big damage amp boss coming up (2nd boss of npx) you can hold it until then, it typically takes like 6-8 minutes from killing the 1st boss to get to the 2nd boss of npx on a 18 if i had to guess

there are a lot of scenarios this tier where pot could line up, just comes down to your own way of thinking

[leaden garnet]

I've heard there are crystals in MT that give you buffs, where are they exactly?

[sterile flume]

There are 2 on the first Boss corners rooms and also one on the beginning and on the end of the 2nd Boss hallway, both are on corners, one before first pull of hallway and one on the left before last pull.

I usually ping It either for healer or top dps, I am main prot. If noone take It on the ping then I take It 🙂

[dusk surge]

Will we be playing okay colossus in m+ due to the buffs?

[viral garden]

How is it to play Slayer arms with Mastery Haste ?

[slow saddle]

It was bis b4 buffs

But if we talkin low key puggin

Slayers still more flexiblr

[viral fiber]

do we use recklessnes or light potenrial

[daring heron]

whichever one sims better

different for everyone

[viral fiber]

I have every single bis gears on murlok.io

[leaden garnet]

We could tell you the answer, but it's genuinely better for you to get into the habit of simming yourself

[leaden garnet]

Should be fine, just slightly lower damage than haste/crit. Sim it and compare to your Fury DPS

[brave vector]

hello gamers. confused on execute priority. why does it tend to take a higher priority in "execute" phase even with colossus? im not seeing anything obvious on the talent tree that stands out. in ST, why dont i just sudden death since it buffs my next MS? is overpower still just better with the Tide of Battle talent? also, does "execute priority" change with slayer vs colo? 35% vs 20%? im so lost

[leaden garnet]

You do use SD on Colo, it's just lower priority than MS and/or OP. Execute with SD is better than Slam. Without SD I think you just press Slam since Colo's Execute is pretty weak. Slam is cheaper and can proc DW

Colossus doesn't really have an execute phase

-# There is technically some optimisation stuff you can do around Execute e.g. if you're at extremely high rage and the rage efficiency of Execute matters less, or if the target will die in the next few gcds so applying DW with Slam won't get the full value, but that's a vanishingly small DPS gain and not worth thinking about if you're a new player

Arms simple version:
MS>OP>Slam, send CDs as soon as they're up. That's 80% of playing Colossus Arms

[brave vector]

thats kind of where im lost. i cant see why execute SD isnt just better in general. so why does overpower even take a higher priority in ST over sudden death anyways? im just a perfectionist and im constantly back and forth between wowhead and ingame trying to see what im missing. i just wanna crank

[leaden garnet]

Because SD can proc Tactician and you don't want to waste OP charges

[brave vector]

just bc of Executioners Precision

uhh

ahh i see

[leaden garnet]

If SD's buff is close to falling off you can send it if you'd like

[brave vector]

wowhead guide is really confusing me. ill try to simplify what i'm saying. it says in "execute phase", that SD takes prio over OP. but theres really no added juice to execute in Colo m+ spec like you said, outside of Executioners Precision; that still buffs your next MS by minimum 35%. that seems significant, so why don't we just send SD on CD in single target? my brain hurts

youve helped though thank you lol

[leaden garnet]

We don't send SD as soon as it's available because we have other spells that are stronger, e.g. MS or Cleave (in AoE), Colossus Smash, Demolish, OP, etc. SD Execute should be viewed as an improved filler spell - higher priority than Slam, lower priority than anything else

[brave vector]

i know its stank in aoe, also because of the overpower seismic wave thing. im just lost on the single target priority. it seems like you would either perma send SD execute in single target before OP, or you would absolutely never send it (unless OP isnt up) but wowhead says its different in "execute phase" which makes no fucking sense to me lule

[leaden garnet]

The guide might just be poorly written

The appeal of SD Execute for Colo is that it doesn't cost rage, and Colo is a rage starved spec

Slayer on the other hand likes SD Execute because it hits like a truck

[brave vector]

i also noticed slayer doesnt run this. i guess spamming OP to reset MS cooldown is a super high prio for colo. but it still doesnt explain to me why SD execute takes priority in "execute phase" ghuguhguhguh fml

maybe ill just spam OP until its dry and say eff SD execute unless i have nothing else to press

[leaden garnet]

You're fixating on the "execute phase" part of the WoWhead guide. It is just poorly written. There is no difference in SD usage inside or outside of Execute phase, regardless of spec. That's the point of SD

[viral fiber]

Is nexus slayer key or colossus key?

[latent moss]

sd buffs ms

and ms is the only st button colo has

the only real button

and even ms is half real

[viral fiber]

I am going slayer on AA, SR and WS

[latent moss]

both are good

[dusk lake]

Technically a colo key

All keys are “supposedly” colo except AA and Skyreach

[nova ravine]

All pug keys are slayer keys

[golden smelt]

💯

[thick kelp]

Bro colossus sucks in no skyfury keys

[wind flicker]

Yeah lmao not even 200k

[thick kelp]

bro double aug + arms

not good comp

[wind flicker]

Man i feel like aug actually lowers our dmg output almost

[thick kelp]

oh wait the other green dps is hunter

[wind flicker]

[thick kelp]

100%

I feel this too

in raids and keys

[wind flicker]

Every time with aug i look at logs and im like wtf, i did this little st?

And then i do it without aug and its just 10-20% better

Yeah well i cba to raid anymore, but in keys it feels horrible

[slow saddle]

Slayer destroys bosses but colo really destroys pesky trash mobs, hm if u can sneak in funnel and ppl dont jusy destroy it ofc col🤣

[latent moss]

it does

i did 19 20s a month ago with aj and consistently did less damage than without and he is a giga gamer

[wind flicker]

Oh yeah aj is a gamer

But yes aug is no bueno

[latent moss]

arms just sucks with aug idk why

[wind flicker]

Maybe its some weird interactions

Because arms is wonky af with all the random multipliers everywhere

[latent moss]

prolly cause

i swear i do the same damage

with or without

[wind flicker]

log dps is lower for me usually

[latent moss]

ye i meant on details

on logs its lower

[primal kettle]

so people play slayer not colo?

[slow saddle]

No

And yws

Answer is depends

[primal kettle]

i see mostly slayer on top logs

[slow saddle]

Colo insane potential, requires catering

Slayer for puggin

Unless we talk raid

[primal kettle]

no funnel required for slayer?

[slow saddle]

Its great for slayer

But not.needed

At all

[crude rapids]

is paladins dependent on tanks catering the bosses close and clean taunts etc?

[slow saddle]

Yes

But also gl killin em if u dont

Its more of 2 t with sone 3t

[latent moss]

paladins is colo

regardless

[slow saddle]

Yup

2t colo slapa

[latent moss]

colo is better at everything except st

the moment there is more than 1 target

colo is just better

more prio dmg more pad damage more everything damage

[slow saddle]

I dont think slayer is that far behind ib m+

At all

[crude rapids]

didnt help i was learning colo on paladins lol

[primal kettle]

dont think thats the case just by looking at the logs

[latent moss]

colo takes a bit

it is the case

what logs

[slow saddle]

Keep in mind caverns still has slayer players in top logs

[latent moss]

raid is just random pad

[primal kettle]

talking m+

[latent moss]

people trying out shit

[primal kettle]

just play fury in raid

[latent moss]

and people preferring

[slow saddle]

In 22s

[latent moss]

slayer over colo

ok and

24s are being timed

u will go colo in 24s

[slow saddle]

Which was has 24s

[primal kettle]

im talking about 24's : )

[slow saddle]

Wars

[latent moss]

is there a single warrior doing them

[primal kettle]

ye dev warrior and demonology warrior

[slow saddle]

23

[latent moss]

real

also colo is just invincible as well

slayer is just 15% squishier on trash

[slow saddle]

Skyreach and aa id venture slayer

[latent moss]

and leeches way less

[slow saddle]

Rest ofc col

Tbh mby obly aa

[latent moss]

u can funnel in skyreach

[slow saddle]

No?

Was fixxed

[primal kettle]

2nd boss is so sad in skyreach

[latent moss]

guess u just slayer then

[primal kettle]

playing arms in pugs feels like proper ass

[slow saddle]

Playbslayer

Feels great

Still top funnel + great st

[latent moss]

did 156k on crawth in a pug 12 xdd

with aug

[slow saddle]

Yup just get procs

[latent moss]

so i did more than 156 cause i do less with aug

xddd

[wind flicker]

It is quite a bit behind if you play around collos properly

Issue is, pugs dont know how to do that

[graceful frigate]

hey guys new player here. im trying to set my key bindings most efficient way for arms collosus , any suggestions?

[slow saddle]

Depends

New as in never played wow?

[latent moss]

make sure ms op cleave execute and slam are spammable

[graceful frigate]

not that new but im clicking all my spells and realized thats not the way to do it

[latent moss]

ye

and 15% dr

[wind flicker]

Also that

[slow saddle]

Ngl the dr i feel in like 18s

[latent moss]

and fbv is stronger on colo

[wind flicker]

From next week on i think u play collos everywhere

[slow saddle]

3% enuff?

[wind flicker]

AA might be slightly sketch

[wind flicker]

Its more than 3%

[latent moss]

will see

[wind flicker]

Funneled

[slow saddle]

3.5

[latent moss]

u can shift stuff around in the tree

to squeeze more st

[wind flicker]

Exactly

[slow saddle]

The good old?

[wind flicker]

I think if you game MP ur good

[slow saddle]

Same as b4

[latent moss]

will see how it plays out

i will run some sims once i get back home

[wind flicker]

I mean realistically u can play funnel everywhere almost

[latent moss]

tomorrow

[wind flicker]

Except for crawth

[latent moss]

yeah

[wind flicker]

So okay, maybe AA u still game slayer

[latent moss]

the dangerous part xd

[wind flicker]

But skyreach is horrible to survive

[graceful frigate]

any suggestions or help for key binding set up?

[slow saddle]

1 2 3 4

Shift 1 2 3 4

[latent moss]

100%

[slow saddle]

Q r z

[wind flicker]

Like healers cant really heal slayer i feel like

[slow saddle]

Ctrl 1 2 3 4

[latent moss]

colo just kinda takes no dmg

like u mitigate an insane amount

and then fbv is fucking giant

[slow saddle]

Slayer does need 2 press dstance

[latent moss]

100k hps in packs

[latent moss]

which is a big dps loss

if u have to actively dstance

[wind flicker]

I mean its not THAT massive anymore

It do be something though

[latent moss]

demolish applies ur aoe deep wounds

[primal kettle]

its not like you sit d stance

[latent moss]

oh u do

[slow saddle]

3 globals under pressure

[latent moss]

in 21 22

[wind flicker]

On SKY u sit dstance a lot

[latent moss]

when last boss puts dot on u

[primal kettle]

oh u talking sky

[slow saddle]

Sky might be col key just 2 live

[wind flicker]

But SR carries collos on SKY imo

[slow saddle]

In the mp build

[latent moss]

yep

[wind flicker]

This is what i think

And then just SR on last boss to survive

to reflect sorry

[slow saddle]

Free dmg

[latent moss]

could prolly delay demo a bit for the dr

[wind flicker]

Yeah but as slayer not SR on dot is rough

[slow saddle]

Still i think biz did a huge 22 as slayer?

[wind flicker]

If ur healer can heal it sure

But most cant

[open geyser]

yo in m+, do we always just full send ravager when we csmash no matter what, even if we have demolish, considering i'm thinking we shouldn't be using ravager until the end to not waste any globals, because if we ravager, and then demolish, we're wasting globals

[latent moss]

i mean its doable but

u have to think about 23 24

one key level can completely change

how u play

[slow saddle]

My man

Im still thinkin of 19s in pugs

[wind flicker]

Dont think we see 24 in phys

[slow saddle]

[wind flicker]

Maybe with the new gear

[latent moss]

i think its doable

well warr wont be the bottleneck

[slow saddle]

Its not wars fault

[latent moss]

thats for sure

[slow saddle]

Buff shaman healer

[latent moss]

an advantage of warr is having infinite defensives

[slow saddle]

Nerf ret thougg

[latent moss]

u have a wall at all times

dstance stance mastery

[slow saddle]

My dream

Fdk - feral- arms - shaman - monkass

Though meta comp seems a lot better

[latent moss]

dont think andys group will go far tbh

[slow saddle]

Coz auf works with it

[latent moss]

25 with new gear maybe

[slow saddle]

Isnt new geae only 1p?

[latent moss]

but select 25s

not all

[slow saddle]

Pos

[latent moss]

waalpen was exploding through ams

getting sussy

stove through blur

tbf

ddh isnt very good against burst

immortal vs rot though

[wind flicker]

Wait exploits?

I didnt see that part

[latent moss]

what exploits

[sour compass]

u never cast slam or heroic strike with more than 2 targets?

like its not worth to waste a GCD ?

[spark mango]

sometimes i do it when there are 3 targets and angle is weird. like 2 small mobs that they pull on vexamus or second boss of seat

[spark mango]

ah, i think you dont know that your cleave casts slam on 3 or more targets which results in your heroic strike proc getting consumed with cleave and doing 50% more damage

search fervor of battle in your talents

[sour compass]

oh no I did not know that

thanks for pointing it out

[spark mango]

heroic strike increases your damage by a huge margin so its very high prio

[sour compass]

ic ic ty

[spark mango]

it increases the damge of mortal strike,cleave,and over power and also increases the damage you do with your next Cs, in St its your highest prio

on aoe it gets auto consumed wtih cleave

[sour compass]

ok so on 3+ targets ignore it and cast cleave and on 1-2 targets it has highest prio right?

[spark mango]

y

[sour compass]

great thx

[trail glade]

Myth Solarflare prism or hero heart of ancient better?

[spark mango]

you need to sim but on top of my head i would say prism

[trail glade]

yeh but kinda dont believe the sim cuz of how biggie heart of ancient is

[spark mango]

have you considered the fact that the crit you get from heart diminishes over the duration and the one from solarflare stays the same for entierty of the duration

and sim calculates all of this over and over in diffrent situations and give you an answer

[unkempt tundra]

its there any addon for anounce spell reflect when cast on you ?

[trail glade]

Yeh i suppose

[paper gulch]

My sim says prism+blue plume or prism+heart and third is prism+gaze

[crude rapids]

Do you ever hold demolish on paladins or just full send? Then wait like ~ 10 seconds for the 3rd boss to come back for colo or avatar etc?

[latent moss]

no but i havent done the fight on mythic

im perma sending demo on 2t+

[wanton ravine]

Do we only send Demolish on 10 stacks during regular rotation or primarily opener? All the guides I've been reading aren't very specific on it and I didn't see an FAQ specifically on it here.

[latent moss]

idk if i have 0 cm i just send demo insta

first pull of a pack if i didnt stack while tank is gathering

[wanton ravine]

I imagine in raid we'd pretty much always have it pooled otherwise on cooldown then.

[atomic mist]

how these buffs gonna feel,

[halcyon valve]

if colossus smash has like 4-5 seconds of cooldown im holding demolish, otherwise just send it because the cooldown on it is so short now

[tidal roost]

https://tenor.com/view/slayer-slayer-fan-slayer-ccream-slaytanic-slayeeeeeer-gif-12092692

[proper moth]

Ran the Warrior n mythic yesterday. Man does it feel bad not to get SD as slayer lol

[south solar]

So is arms very stat dependent? I've never really vibed with it but gave it a go last night and was like 60k behind fury on the aoe dummies and simmed 20k under fury ST

[hexed inlet]

What ilvl? And stats?

[south solar]

Like 270? And mostly haste mast because of fury gearing prio

Don't have exact numbers since I'm away from pc

[pulsar berry]

Without crit you’re gonna have kind of bad rage generation

Like worse than usual, anyways

It’s definitely not THAT substantial but it does matter

[obtuse kiln]

hey guys for slayer arms, once in execute range, do i just spam execute?

[eager sigil]

no

[obtuse kiln]

can i know whats the rotation like then in m+? especially for bosses and maybe packs of mobs

[little cypress]

anyone have the chart of raid buffs and % to arms war?

[eager sigil]

wowhead.com has full guides

[glass ibex]

So with the additional buff to mortal strike and slam coming on Tuesday, do yall think that with how aoe heavy the raid is that collusus might pull ahead of slayer?

[orchid night]

No clue. Wasn’t it a 15% buff to both?

Gonna be very helpful for ST

[glass ibex]

So It was 15 but on Tuesday it goes to 25%

[thick kelp]

Someone still need the rings?

[bright ginkgo]

Yes it is, the guides are not updated. Outside of CS its always exe and OP when rage isnt enough

Inside of CS its Mortal strike for every 2stack of whatever the Mortal strike damage increase is called

[nova marsh]

Above 80 rage yes

Below, prio OP

If you dont have martial prowess, press ms only with 2x ep + CS

If you do press it with just 2x ep

[obtuse kiln]

thanks bth of u @bright ginkgo @nova marsh was helpful

[thick kelp]

theres the

?

next to exe

for that prt

that goes over your question

[tranquil swift]

So you really never press ms in aoe slayer

[thick kelp]

yeah

[nova marsh]

Ms in slayer aoe is basically ur new slam

Sadge

[halcyon valve]

mortal tickle

[flat willow]

just play colossus

absolutely diabolical prio target next week

[nova marsh]

Yes but then evrey tank will grief me

[proper moth]

I’m excited to see how Col preforms

[soft peak]

whats the best combat pot for arms?

[proper moth]

I love slayer is just sucks when you don’t get SD procs

[proper moth]

Reckless I think if your crit is high enough

[soft peak]

is have 41 crit

[proper moth]

You should be good

[soft peak]

isnt this better?

[proper moth]

Honestly sim

For me reckless is better

[halcyon valve]

i just use lights potential because it saves me having to think more than a millisecond about consumables

[dire hinge]

Reck is usually better but it can change based on your secondary stats, making it worse for some folks.

Most people can use reck fine, but definitely sim just in case (especially if you’re not max gear yet, when your secondaries can be whack)

[proper moth]

There’s no trick to SD procs as slayer right just pray for good Rng?

[latent moss]

yes

[latent moss]

yeah it's gonna be something for sure

already best prio in the game btw

[flat willow]

Garfrost about to eat the largest heroic strike the world has ever seen

[brittle topaz]

is there a way to make heroic strike make a noise when its usuable?

[proper moth]

Ty ty

[undone aurora]

on arms do u guys just send demolish always or do you exclusively wait for CS ?

[dim basalt]

in aoe you send, in ST you wait

[undone aurora]

Okay that might be what I’ve been doing wrong

Ty

I’ve always been saving it for CS

Which means I am probably missing out 1 per CS

[dim basalt]

Waiting for cs always is fine too

Not inherently wrong, depending on count its a gain too

But you have other benefits if you just perma send

[undone aurora]

I just feel like my aoe has been a bit low, and I specced back onto arms bc I’m trying for resi 20 now and I felt fury was a bit awkward to play in the bigger pulls

I’m like 3 weeks out of practice but I felt I should be doing much more

I was getting drastically beaten by ret and unholy in a 19 aa earlier

[dim basalt]

In AA youre very unlikely to compete with these 2 specs ngl

[undone aurora]

I see

still feels bad though

I kinda fell for peer pressure a bit lol

I got a pug group for a 21 aa and we fucked up 1st pull and they were all like, bro reroll arms

[dim basalt]

Only way you can kinda compete is when tank doesnt kite at all at start

Which only very good ones can pull off

[undone aurora]

and to be fair, I do like arms but I always feel like i'm doing a bit lackluster

for what's considered to be a great aoe spec

[hasty pumice]

You're my best prio

[atomic mist]

Does our single target just stink or am I doing it wrong?

[proper moth]

What are we doing for execute phase as slayer? Exe x 2 then ms? OP to keep up rage?

[latent moss]

https://tenor.com/view/marin-marin-kitagawa-kitagawa-bisque-bisque-doll-gif-916671610781629467

[onyx gust]

pretty bad i think

[thick kelp]

looks good

[onyx gust]

why those are better than

this?

[frank rock]

41 more critical strike

[onyx gust]

ahh okay

[frank rock]

And you might have enough haste

[onyx gust]

since i need mroe haste i think night enders are better

[frank rock]

You need to

[onyx gust]

facts

[frank rock]

Raidbot will help you decide based on all your gear

[onyx gust]

idk i never used it

should i use quick sim?

[burnt gale]

So next week, do we all go Colossus in keys?

[proper moth]

You should already be col in keys lol

Skyreach and something else are the exception

[tulip breach]

i feel like i'm never reaching high enough dps on the big lust pulls

no idea what's going wrong

[tame perch]

Has anyone noticed the Dream Rift breath is different this week? It splits the room from a different angle?

[clever wave]

AA

[ripe kiln]

is PI better for war or monk in paladins mythic ?

[proper moth]

Monk

[thick kelp]

war

[proper moth]

Nani

[onyx gust]

276ilvl this or crafted weapon?

[proper moth]

Sim yo self

Higher ilvl is always better

[minor gust]

400k HS Crit

Too bad I still ain't touching Colo

[tranquil swift]

do you guys put your lights potion on a macro or click it seperately?

[rare kite]

got a keybind for it

[knotty solstice]

what buff you guys grab in algethar

[tranquil swift]

mine macro and im thinking thats probably not good, where maybe id want to save that pot for a bigger pull

idk lol

[rare kite]

yea bigger pull or execute phase for a boss

[tranquil swift]

is there an addon oranything you guys yse that reminds you its up?

i have a feeling ill forget haha

[vestal raptor]

does sweeping strikes cleave the mortal strikes that bladestorm sends out?

[dim basalt]

no

[hybrid merlin]

what we reckon how much % will collosus gain with new buffs?

[vestal raptor]

poggy

[dim basalt]

#updates-midnight

[hybrid merlin]

thanks mano

[brittle topaz]

If I am timing 19-20s with fury should i learn Arms and make the swap over? and if so what makes arms better than fury

[dim basalt]

Just play what you like to play

Arms just has better aoe and significantly better prio

But its not gonna matter whether you play Arms or Fury

[wind hatch]

diabolical heroic bird pull