arms

[mortal crag]

4 cleaves is 1 mortal + possible overpowers + possible heroic strikes + possible resets to mortal from overpower

[smoky kayak]

but yes, Colossus ST is low without funnel
then again, Colossus MT is high enough to make up for it, so even if you're not funneling, you're still doing better overall dam

[mortal crag]

Cleave 1
Mortal 1
Cleave 2
Overpower 2 into reset
Cleave 3
Mortal 3
Cleave 4
Heroic proc 4

[umbral badger]

yes, at the end of the day only people who want colossus ST to be a little decent are those who actually love the spec and want to raid with it. but any complaint about Colossus m+ is trolling

[smoky kayak]

Well that's what this change affects

[mortal crag]

Also u can't send 4 cleaves

[mortal crag]

I'm just happy lulw

[smoky kayak]

it is getting a little better in ST, but we're not Demon Hunters - we're not allowed to be top ST and top MT at the same time
so you gotta temper your expectations!

[umbral badger]

it is more 3-4 depends on procs basically

[tranquil swift]

Col is so meta now

[rare kite]

you technically can but it's pretty troll. just send 1 before cs, since cs resets cleave cd

[umbral badger]

that being said we are not taking into account thaqt slam just got buffed again, so eventually it will not even be worthy of a discussion

[solar stump]

My feelycraft says the Col change is about 4% ST increase, does that sound right? Seems not that great considering 4% of nothing is still nothing. But hey, even more funnel now...

[vapid goblet]

you had to do that much to barely beat the dk?

????????

[mortal crag]

There are no cleave reset procs?

[umbral badger]

are we evenj average on pure ST with pure ST spec ?

[mortal crag]

U can only send 3 in a row

[smoky kayak]

Arms is still a long way from the meta specs, but outside of that... this is probably the most competitive its been in a long time

[mortal crag]

Ye ig lmao but he said rava so

I guess in a way

[umbral badger]

since the topic was about ST IN M+ build agian a pure ST boss that has no trash after it, you have 3 cleaves with no cd.

[mortal crag]

And u don't send them

And I explained why

Ur missing a mortal strike and overpowers

[smoky kayak]

in what context? are you asking if a full ST Colossus spec is average performance with other classes full ST specs? No, but I don't think anyone really ever expected it to be either

[mortal crag]

And they cost more because they generate colossal might and can proc heroic strikes

[umbral badger]

you defo could send them in a prio replacing slam only, but it is not that big of a deal wiht all the buffs coming

[mortal crag]

A cleave gcd is wasted

Slam procs deep wounds

U don't press cleave

[umbral badger]

yes yes i am just checking if there will be a time where i can at least enjoy it a little bit in reclears or somehting

[mortal crag]

YOU DID before the talent changes

Like 3 weeks ago

[rare kite]

can proc a hs as well. which cleave cannot

[mortal crag]

You literally lose damage spamming cleave

[nova marsh]

How we feeling about the colo buffs

[mortal crag]

Those 3 cleaves can't proc hs, they can't proc mortal strikes, they don't generate colossal might and they don't apply deep wounds

[umbral badger]

a cleave iwht ravager against enemy under 35% life hits almost 50% to 60% more than a slam. which is even mroe than the deep wound proc that has less than 40% chance "based on your crit"

[mortal crag]

Do u not realize how procs and math works though?

[rare kite]

good. not a very big buff but we take it, also it means more funnel hahaha

[mortal crag]

You're slowing down your next demolish and your buffs by cleaving

You're hitting slightly more on those 3 gcds but you're making your rotation weaker 10 gcds down the line

3 cleaves is ONE mortal strike, one overpower and possibly another mortal strike

You're not replacing slams with it

[smoky kayak]

I mean sure you can play it
no it's not going to break any records, single target is simply not Colossus' strength

[stable fiber]

cleave also does not proc heroic strike or extend cs duration

on 1t

[nova marsh]

If anything colos Achilles heel is st

[hasty pumice]

why is it so heated in here

geez

https://media4.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExdDQ1b3JmM2s5dGNhYWJraWw3Z21wbXdsbDNkNnN5M3lhZ3l3bml5ZiZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/EYRC0Cg6lcTdn5Ubaf/giphy.gif

[umbral badger]

what are you even mathing about it, you can do one single hit of each "with all relevant" buffs on a dummy if you don't see how cleave doing double dmg is stronger than a slam lol

[mortal crag]

Yes which we me tioned

[stable fiber]

he explained why...

[mortal crag]

But why are u comparing a slam

You're not pressing slam on those 3 gcds

[nova marsh]

You dont realize pure raw damage isnt evreything

[hasty pumice]

why do we do pocket math when sims exist or people who work on the APL

[mortal crag]

Exactly my point

Bro is feelycrafting

[stable fiber]

also cleave will never hit harder then a slam that crits

even if the cleave hits for 150k

[ionic mica]

You'd also need 3 globals inside the 10s ravager where you would've pressed slam but instead pressed cleave AND you'd spend a global on ravager

Or however long rav is

[mortal crag]

I think my slam crits for nearly 90k without cs and then you add deep wounds?

Maybe closer to 100

Last I checked it was 90 but I was like 287

I'm 290 now so

[nova marsh]

Dann

Gamimg

[mortal crag]

Uncapped

Just need 289 hands ig

[stable fiber]

me also

sadge

[mortal crag]

That 0.3% damage buff is holding me back from resi 22s surely

[stable fiber]

the 289 wrs and seat gloves are eluding me

[nova marsh]

glances at my 289 voidclaw

[mortal crag]

https://tenor.com/view/hug-me-come-back-dont-go-gif-10255523

[nova marsh]

Bro if I could trade em

I would instantly

[mortal crag]

LMAO

[nova marsh]

NOT PLAYING THE GAME

[mortal crag]

Anyways thinking to start youtubing my 21 22s

[nova marsh]

GET YOU UR RESIL

[mortal crag]

And uploading

But idk cuz biz crit etc r big names

🙁

[minor gust]

Phil do these buffs mean you are gonna leave slayer behind?

[umbral badger]

it is literally a 1 sec test on a dummy, unbuffed with CS no cds, slam 47k crit, cleave 75k crit on average. full duration deepwounds is doing roughly 30k. my crit chance is 35% so that's roughly 10k on average from slam's deepwounds.

[mortal crag]

Phil had a week of slayer boot camp omega ranting in my dms about how he hates it oulw

Lulw

[rare kite]

i mean only 1 way to become a big name. not doing anything is certainly not it

[hasty pumice]

i already left it behind again cause its worse with good routes in almost all cases

[umbral badger]

"if " a slam crits is not an average calculation

[hasty pumice]

but I do enjoy it now

[mortal crag]

It's insane you're still not realizing everything else that happens behind the scenes

[nova marsh]

Cleave still cant proc hs

[hasty pumice]

still gonna play it for academy and maybeee SR

[nova marsh]

🤷‍♂️

[hasty pumice]

but the changes will male colo 100% for MT

[umbral badger]

we are only talking about 3-4 cleave casts at the end of a boss fight where you might not even have a CS next.

[stable fiber]

it kinda is when slam crits more then cleave

[hasty pumice]

and nexus

[mortal crag]

• cleave can't proc hs
• cleave doesn't give u extra cs window
• cleave doesn't proc deep wounds
• cleave can't reset ms
• cleave doesn't give u demo stacks

[hasty pumice]

why do you get rage baited for 10 mins into a discussion

[umbral badger]

you guys are all arguing as if you are gonna be killing stuff after the boss dies, i literally said at start "last boss, under 35%" in the context that there is nothing after that last CS.

[hasty pumice]

that serves no purpose

just move on

[mortal crag]

You're saying your 3 cleaves replace 3 slams

[compact orchid]

I think he is saying when the boss is going to die and you have ravager and only 1 cs

Not a whole fight

[mortal crag]

I'm saying it doesn't

[hasty pumice]

stop being baited

[mortal crag]

Yeah why would u not send ms there lol

[umbral badger]

bro i've said that 9000 times they just want to hear what they want to hear

[hasty pumice]

spend the time with your dog or your gf

[mortal crag]

I understand he's talking about 35% phase

[mortal crag]

She's chillin next to me

We already saw some TV

[compact orchid]

He didn’t say you don’t send ms or I am crazy

[mortal crag]

And saw reels together

[compact orchid]

I didn’t read everything

[hasty pumice]

yeah and you're keyboard warrior typing about pocketmathing

enjoy your life man

[mortal crag]

He said during 35% he sends 4 cleaves with rava

And it's still a misplay

[hasty pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/67-6767-676767-cat67-cat-gif-18345003009543756801

[nova marsh]

He'd asking about a hyper specific scenario

[mortal crag]

And he's still mathing it wrong

[stable fiber]

and its still wrong lmao

[simple moat]

colossus a play now with buffs or still to meh in st?

[mortal crag]

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-noted-glorp-noted-glorp-noting-this-down-alien-cat-gif-11958671377507601335

[umbral badger]

no i did not say you don't need MS, i said boss is dying, you have RAVAGER, you won't get to fight anything after boss dies in a while, or at all, there is no way you can't use ravager and a few cleaves then.

[compact orchid]

Not rly hyper specific, the scenario is : the target got 10% health and you will have only 1 cs

[mortal crag]

Do what u want bro it's still mathematically a dps loss lmao

[ashen trout]

bro rly wants to cleave ST

[stable fiber]

ok so your talking about doing as much burst dps as possible i see

you are still using a gcd on ravager

which does noting

sure it buffs the cleaves

[mortal crag]

Sure, if you're at the last 5 gcds of the last boss of a key

[nova marsh]

It is

[mortal crag]

It's a dps gain

There

[nova marsh]

Cus as far as I can tell also assumes evreything is on cd

[mortal crag]

That's omega specific but lulw

• last 10%
• no pack after
• rava and cs are up

[stable fiber]

pretty sure if you want to do as much burst dps at the end of a boss

you just execute

lol

[mortal crag]

If u have sd yeah probs

Or heroic

[smoky kayak]

Ravager is worth using in ST as long as it comes off CD by the next pack or there are no more packs
but otherwise, you're better off just saving it for the next pack

It's also a very minor optimization anyway, so I ignore it most of the time

[mortal crag]

Or demo

[stable fiber]

nah even outside of sd

[compact orchid]

Btw is useless to speak you can check the apl

[mortal crag]

He won't

[umbral badger]

yes, i sear to god bro i said t his 9000 times they refuse ot heart it.

[mortal crag]

He's checking 1min target dummy and looking at which one has the higher number

[smoky kayak]

yeah that's not a good way to evaluate things unfortunately

[mortal crag]

He said ravager is worth, not spending 3 gcds on cleave

No one said don't ravager

[smoky kayak]

there are just so many things going on in modern wow combat

[umbral badger]

bro because i am a random no body to you , nothign i say woould convince you, but now that arch sid it in one sentence you would see it as a new unrboken rule.

[mortal crag]

???

No

I still disagree lmao

[compact orchid]

I am just trying to have aggramar 2h ….

[mortal crag]

I never said don't ravager

[smoky kayak]

FWIW, I don't bother to use Ravager/Cleave in ST; it's so incredibly minor

[mortal crag]

I said don't cleave

[umbral badger]

i mean everyone literally read it when i said 900 times "at the end of a boss fight, when there is nothing after"

[mortal crag]

Yes, you can ravager. you still DON'T CLEAVE

[umbral gyro]

Hey does the colossus buffs Change something?

[umbral badger]

omg

what

[mortal crag]

If it's the last 5% of a boss, sure, cleave

Otherwise it's a dps loss

The literal apl tells u not to cleave

And ur saying "no my meter says big number"

A 5min boss fight btw means u get ravager on the last 30s

Go check if ur Sim cleaves on the last 30s

[umbral badger]

i dont' even care bro, your behind the scene math does not even make sense in teh context i've been talking about

[smoky kayak]

ok maybe this will clear it up a bit

[mortal crag]

Your context is just still wrong bruh

[smoky kayak]

this is a 1.5m "boss" in a M+ build

[hasty pumice]

holy

20 Damage

[smoky kayak]

I'm telling you, it ain't worth caring about

[smoky kayak]

much less is it worth arguing about lol

[minor gust]

Gg now I can't use you as slayer propaganda

[spring vale]

Im doing the just rav no cleave you cant stop me

[smoky kayak]

this is why I removed it from the guides, it's just not something that you need to bother doing

[smoky kayak]

https://giphy.com/gifs/3FlINbFWKnlBj7Hi5y

[umbral badger]

i even said it is not worth the diiscussion above too if you look my chat" at the very start" but i just can't understand why people think there secret math is the only right math

[hasty pumice]

Sir Archi, would you like to pursue a 30 minute online argument as to why the 20 damage gained is actually good in niche cases? Maybe with a tone of heated argument?

https://tenor.com/view/cat-window-car-city-rain-gif-8958522195728036392

[compact orchid]

It’s cool to know the min maxing of a spec too tbh for people crazy enough to do it

[mortal crag]

LMAO

This is so based

[unkempt wren]

I hit ravager because it's not a dps loss to look cool

[mortal crag]

Insane thst ignore both is a dps gain

[smoky kayak]

I'm sayin man

[ashen trout]

ez +20 damage

[mortal crag]

Me when I time my key with 01s left

Cuz I did 20 more damage

[smoky kayak]

we left it in the APL mostly just for spot checking, cause you know if something changes its easier to comment out/remove those lines and test than to add them back again, and it is technically stronger (if ever so marginally) to use

but this is the kinda place where you literally do not care, and in practice it's easier to just not bother

[umbral badger]

trust me i know and i said it at start "with the new slam buff it is not even wortht discussiing" is what i said first

[tepid yew]

ignoring rav and cleave on st?

[mortal crag]

Yep

[tepid yew]

k thanks

[mortal crag]

I simmed rn and my character clicked rav 3 times in 5:30 mins

Which means it simply avoided clicking it when a proc happened

[rose matrix]

I click rav I don't use cleave at all in st

[minor gust]

Also holy another set of arms buffs no rage buff smh

[mortal crag]

And it sent like 3 cleaves

[tepid yew]

yeah sooo low on prio

[mortal crag]

And all those 3 cleaves were only after rav, after cs, after mortal strike is on cd

With no overpower

[smoky kayak]

I will clarify, this is current, without today's buff

[mortal crag]

Yeah with buff u probs completely ignore it

[smoky kayak]

with the coming buff, it's even more in favor of ignoring both for obvious reasons

[mortal crag]

Based no rav gameplay

+60 damage

[compact orchid]

I hate this spell anyway

[mortal crag]

BLESSED

[smoky kayak]

this is also why I'm tryin to get Ravager removed btw

no shit my #1 wish for Arms right now, just straight up remove Ravager, replace it with big CS dammies

[mortal crag]

Just make the ravager buff apply to cs and make it slightly less big

[rare kite]

i pray for this as well. literally just cleave tuning on a button

[mortal crag]

Instead of 50% so it's less invasive

[rose matrix]

Yeah Ravager seems like a pointless button press. Surprised it survived the prune

[mortal crag]

Like make it a talent node on the cs thing

[smoky kayak]

I don't think the Rav buff needs to exist at all, but I could care less tbh

[umbral badger]

@smoky kayak see, i even siad the same thing on the start of the discussion xd

[smoky kayak]

Ravager is just in the way

[mortal crag]

Cs grants you sweeping and increases cleave damage by 30% or something

[smoky kayak]

I'd rather just have big CS dammies honestly

its way simpler

[rare kite]

almost all of warrior survived the prune. for a little bit both ravager AND avatar got removed, imagine how good that timeline would have been

[smoky kayak]

making CS increase Cleave damage still runs the risk of the same "weave Cleave in ST" bullshit that doesn't need to exist

[mortal crag]

Yet fury can't have ava and bladestorm

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-noted-glorp-noted-glorp-noting-this-down-alien-cat-gif-11958671377507601335

[tight wing]

I’m sure this has been asked several times but - After these buffs will col be better for ST than slayer (I haven’t been paying too much attention to the things for warrior lately, I’ve been trying to focus on getting better at my chosen class)

[rose matrix]

Yeah it really did which is funny. I play a couple alts and my warrior has the most buttons by far

[mortal crag]

You wouldn't take that talent in st cuz you wouldn't play cleave so

[smoky kayak]

which is also a problem we have right now

[umbral badger]

i wonder if they wouldn't wanna do that because they don't want a scenario where you hit CS + demolish and everything explodes, making it an absured amount of burst.

[rare kite]

i like that personally. also fury has managed to make avatar actually feel like a cooldown

[smoky kayak]

except you do ST damage in MT builds, as indicated in the discussion above

[umbral badger]

i think ppl wanted CS to do damage again for a while now

saw it on posts even

[smoky kayak]

• if you don't take the talent in ST builds, you now lose a pathing option in your talent tree
• you still do ST damage in MT builds, so the issue is going to come up anyway
  it's jumping through hoops to preserve a problem that simply doesn't need to exist

[smoky kayak]

Yeah I've been pushing the idea since late alpha/early beta lol

we even came up with a number that is perfectly balanced with the current throughput of Ravager

[umbral badger]

but again, is there a chance it will create a problematic scenario of absurd burst in combination with demolish ?

where in some situations warriors will outperofrm too much for blizzard's taste ?

like one example i can think of is soulbinder adds where only demolish again was enough for me alone to do 30% of the raid dmg on the adds 'since they die too fast"

[earnest imp]

Are you progging midnight falls archie

[umbral badger]

so in such rare cases making CS do insane dmg might be a thing they want to avoid

[earnest imp]

What spec you running atm

[smoky kayak]

no more than what Rav + Cleave buff is already doing

fish and I ran all the numbers, it checks out in every way

[umbral badger]

to be fair the situation i am refering to is very rare where the adds live for 2-3 seconds only so who cares

[rare kite]

doesn't have to do insane damage. just some actual kind of damage, it hit for 19k average for me on my last vorasius kill. that was before the 298 gear but still

[earnest imp]

Oh yous public log xd

[rose matrix]

Feral going to be crazy in the phys comp after next Tuesday

[umbral badger]

i remember this situation very well because it was so funny every time i killed all the adds and the guild mates got kinda tilted that htey are not touching them in soulbinder mythic

was so funny to me

[earnest imp]

Surely collosus buffs wont place it over slayer for windchime

[pastel moss]

why is it every time i look at a patch note it looks like arms is getting seesaw'd between hero talents

[rare kite]

yea and that wasn't even that egregious. we were way worse for instakilling adds on like rashanan, that was fury tho

[leaden garnet]

Colo, already one of the strongest specs for m+, receives yet more buffs
Slayer, markedly below average ST, gets nothing

Unfortunate.

[rose matrix]

This didn't really happen last time. It just made Slayer more viable and favored for heavy st dungeons like it was before

[umbral badger]

yea soul binder was the only boss were we actually can 'design wise" do that thing

[rose matrix]

You still run Colossus in more dungeons

[leaden garnet]

I do enjoy Colo so I'm happy it's being buffed, but since I've actually started raiding again it would be nice if Arms wasn't such a dog spec in raid

[pastel moss]

do you even run slayer in the slayer dungeons anymore after next week?

[leaden garnet]

Please explain why my 90th percentile parse is below other specs 70th

[umbral badger]

that was the dmg split "adds only" it was funnjy

my brother cfhnaged his spec to pure ST back then cuz he can't cast

before things die

dunno man i liked coloossus in war within more

rip

[rare kite]

it's not dog in raid tho. maybe a few bosses but for most important bosses it's pretty good

[rose matrix]

Make demolish stacks last 1 minute

Instead of 30 seconds

[ionic mica]

Nah remove the timer all together

[leaden garnet]

Arms is middle of the pack at best in almost every encounter

[mortal crag]

You still can

But new funnel techs come to skyreach

[leaden garnet]

Only exceptions are dragons, vanguard, and L'ura (and my current guild will not be CE this tier)

[ionic mica]

I noticed on my dev dh alt, the empowered reap you get after eye beam lasts through logging off even. Truly infinite buff

[umbral badger]

fun fact, many of the top ST colossus on varasious boss fight are actually slayer, but warcraftlogs shows the mas colossus "dunno if they do it intentionally" so even that percentile might be not real that you checked ?

[mortal crag]

So u probs go Colo there

Tbh u can probs Colo everything

[mortal crag]

It's chinese parse farmers

[umbral badger]

so it is intentional, man can't they ban this shit then...

[mortal crag]

Just filter eu and USA

[umbral badger]

i hate it

[rare kite]

upper middle on saladbar and beloren. wow would you look at that 5 out of 9 bosses

[umbral badger]

ok pure ST without the farmers you mentioned colossus is 30k behind "although there is not enough sample"

fk xd

[umbral badger]

wasn't he / she talking primarily about colossus ?

[rare kite]

idk mentioned arms in general at the end of the original sentence

[umbral badger]

well, i guess i can give up on the idea of enjoying some ST colossus until season 2 or 3

[smoky kayak]

the number I pitched was +300% which would take Colossus Smash from ~1% of Arms' damage to ~4%

that was just the most balanced with what Ravager currently provides, but you could fiddle with that ofc

[umbral badger]

that does sound modest and good for ST actually

[smoky kayak]

like keep in mind, 4% of Arms' damage is still less than what Rend does

[umbral badger]

and rend does nothing 😄

ahhahaha

[rare kite]

would be wayy better than ravager feel wise forsure. when was the last time cs did damage?

[smoky kayak]

and it's not a gain, it's just replacing Ravager's damage / Cleave's buff with CS damage

[umbral badger]

it is a gain on ST which is exactly what we want anyway

[smoky kayak]

this is old, so it's not up to date with more recent changes, but just as an example

and again, you can fiddle with that number; it doesn't have to be +300%, it could be +250% to make the talent a little weaker or +400% to make it even stronger

but it's an extremely easy knob to turn because it's a singular buff that affects a singular source of damage, neither of which have any other interactions

[umbral badger]

but i have to say arch i know this CS thing you are mentioning is like a passion project for you, but your best idea pitch imo was fatality being swaped in position with executioner precision or something.

knowing how shit execute is makes me sick and rather not think about it

many ppl share that feeling about execute as colossus now

[smoky kayak]

there are things that I just wish were a lil better and then there are things that actively annoy me

EP vs Fatality is the former, while Ravager is the latter

[umbral badger]

being able to get fatality without spending 2000 passive points on execute stuff is one of the thing that trigger me

so hard

ok i messed up my speing there but you get my point

i've been a hater of our talent tree design this expansion since we have too many passives in things that contribute too little

[smoky kayak]

in fairness, Fatality wouldn't be very good in M+ though, since its stacking on target, there's a greater propensity for the target to die before it can be consumed

EP isn't very good in M+ either, but at least it's fairly foolproof - if you use Execute, you're going to get the buff

[umbral badger]

that is true, but at the end of the day, that wouldbe a quality of life change for the one thing that is suffering the most, ST dps.

[smoky kayak]

well they both provide some ST dam

since you're forced into SD anyway (which is another thing I'm not wild about)

[umbral badger]

i know but we are moving more and more towawrds not wanting to push that execute , right ?

[smoky kayak]

SD not so much - it's still a free filler, which carries a lot of weight

[umbral badger]

so there is a "bad feeling" to knowing that we have this "amazing execute stacking" mechanic but knowing you can't prio it over slam

you know what i mean

[smoky kayak]

but fatality also depends on pressing Execute to proc so I consider them fairly similar in execution

[umbral badger]

in that regard i do agree too

[mortal crag]

So it would take Colo from 20k hit to like... 80k?

[umbral badger]

my own suggestion was more about executioner precision being triggered by slams against enemies under 35% "can be with less effectiveness"

so 20% dmg per slam

rather than 35% per execute

as an example

ofc balancing that would be a simple numbers tweaking thing but i guarantee you, people would LOVE that

slam doing something special under 35% for coloossus

[smoky kayak]

+300% is x4, yes

[rare kite]

idk. i don't really vibe with that

[smoky kayak]

I don't really know if I'd like slam doing it, that would just make it automatic and slam already fires off automatically

also feels like it just puts even more power into FoB

[rare kite]

if several things does more under a certain % it makes execute feel less special

[umbral badger]

yea i thought about that but they did something about "you use your self" as in "nontriggeered" abilities before so that can be easy to solve

[smoky kayak]

which is contributing to that whole funnel aspect (not that having funnel is a bad thing, but you don't wanna overemphasize it, right?)

[umbral badger]

i mean it is already the case for execute to feel not special for colossus

[rare kite]

yea and i'm fine with colossus not having an execute phase

[smoky kayak]

I actually kinda prefer it

[umbral badger]

oh amen to that, but in this case it is "execute phase with shity execute" is the only option we have, so if they "insist" on us having execute phase, then my suggestion comes in.

so if we make a prio list of what ppl would want for coloossus now i would assume it would be , no execute at all > slam doing something special on execute > execute as it is now

[smoky kayak]

I think it makes perfect sense not to prioritize Execute in a build that doesn't take Imp Exe or Critical Thinking
in fact, I think that's exactly the kind of talent balancing we need more of.

far too many talents don't actually influence gameplay at all, they just make what you're already doing stronger, which is boring and doesn't lead to any actual buildcrafting - just numerical optimization

[rare kite]

just need a choice node with EP since we get forced through it

[smoky kayak]

EP is saved by the fact that we're also forced into SD

If that were not the case, then yes, I would be campaigning heavily for changing or moving EP

[umbral badger]

pathing is such a shitty problem for us now it is crazy

[leaden garnet]

I think differently - I like SD proc still being useful for Colossus, but I think it'd be cute if they changed EP to make SD procs give two stacks of EP or something

A Colo biased EP buff

[umbral badger]

and the only "other pathing option" for pure ST is ravager, so the entire tree is cooked

[rare kite]

yea we do get a tiny bit use out of it as col. tho feels pretty underwhelming

[umbral badger]

i mean i do like SD don't get me wrong, it is one of my favorite things but only if i gain dps from it. that being said you would want blizzard do something about execute consuming 40 fking rage "not counting the refund"

look, if execute is capped at 20 rage as baseline, and Slayer hero talent pushes it to 40. i would very happily execute all day long as colossus lol

[leaden garnet]

So I'm coming in sort of late to this discussion, are people suggesting that Colo ST may be stronger than Slayer ST now?

[umbral badger]

but when execute eats 40 rage from me and i am just afk spectating for the next 90 years

man

[umbral badger]

not even close ofc lol

just in funneling if you read bits and pieces from above is what ppl were talkingabout

[leaden garnet]

Figures

I didn't think 3.5% would close the gap

[mortal crag]

Colo funnel already makes it ahead of slayer

[umbral badger]

for whatever reason the gap in actual fights is even worse than the sims show, i see slayers pulling 30k dps ahead of colossus warrirs on pure ST in raid

[mortal crag]

This just helps it more

[mortal crag]

Check boss damage, slayers can still cleave on smallies

[umbral badger]

hmm i have to do that because mabe with gear ppl changed the tactics a bit

[umbral badger]

now it's 45k difference 😄

and it's known good warrior names

[mortal crag]

U won't see me there sadly cuz I'm raiding with a random guild that takes too long to kill the boss

I might be on saladbar tho kekw

I should be

[umbral badger]

i mean i hardly have any logs this season, i did not get to play although the guild is doing fine.

it is what it is man

blizzard wants to fk us up and we are expected to take it 😄

[mortal crag]

Damn my 141k got demoted to rank 110

People frying huh

Aug stole my damage it was nearly 160 on details

[umbral badger]

like i've told ppl, don't burn or stress out over our parses this season it's pointless imo. in the TWW i was main colossus "even ST " and i was able to parse 90 on some ST fights even VS slayer warriors. but this season i know for sure it's not worth the effort or hard work.

i like to put a lot of work into such things ,but if the balance is crap i lose interest fast lol

[flint cedar]

Slayer still the go to for ST?

[mortal crag]

🤷‍♂️ It's fun

[mortal crag]

Yes

[flint cedar]

Ty brother

[umbral badger]

man i just hope they do TWW treatment and fix us next seasons in some way

had so much fun as colossus in TWW now i am just waiting PoE2

[rare kite]

"HOLY MOLY I'M OWNING SO HARD" then you see it was aug and insta deflate

delete aug

[onyx rapids]

yeah warrior buffs!!

[umbral badger]

folks our journey this expansion is actually funny as arms warriors. how many buffs is it now since release? 90000000 buffs ?

[glacial cloud]

getting the shadow priest treatment

[umbral badger]

crazy how weak we came out lol

[mortal crag]

DELETE AUG

[naive steeple]

It's a glorious day for our brothers!!!

[lethal acorn]

[blissful tinsel]

I agree, logs this season are just fried

[sand totem]

Hey lads. What's a typical +12-14 damage these days? I thought i was doing alright kicking around 140-150 but recently a guildie fury beat me, and was talking about how normally any arms dunpster him in his runs and now Ive got some major fraud vibes

[modest marlin]

I only care about parses so far as a way to improve myself vs my spec.

But it's hard when you don't play in ideal raid comps

My spriest hasn't had a DH buff all season

[umbral badger]

there is no straight number there, i can go into a +12 and do 200k and next run do 140k things. if i have good players we all do less cuz things die instantly, and if i have "like yesterday" a mage pulling 45k dps i end up pulling 190k+

so if you are doing 140k-150k it should be fine

[sand totem]

I suppose you're right.

I just seethe losing to him in m+ hahaha

[umbral badger]

if you push 18s and 20s is where you need to know a solid number

[sand totem]

Oh yeah I ain't there. Appreciate the insight though

[umbral badger]

also if the grp has zero ST your "in combat" duration gets too long and it affects your overall compared to a grp with people doing good ST

[leaden garnet]

Varies dungeon by dungeon. If I do 150k overall in SR I'm happy, if I do 150k overall in Pit or MT I want to kms myself

[sand totem]

GFD it was a pit lmao

[leaden garnet]

Slayer or Colo?

[sand totem]

Brb gonna delete IRL

Colo. Messed up a couple CD timings but didnt think it was egregious

[umbral badger]

and even then, there is more varians like if you do pit and there is funneling vs pit without funneling

and in lower keys you don't get funneling a lot

if any

[sand totem]

My tank refuses to let me funnel on garfrost >:(((

[ashen night]

i never get funnel on anything :( pug live in mid keys

[leaden garnet]

Colo also has the issue that it needs trash packs with a lot of hp

If trash packs die in 20s you're sad

If they die in 30s you're much happier

And if you spend the entire dungeon chain pulling and never dropping stacks you're very happy

[umbral badger]

not the only issue, sometimes in pugs tanks try to help you funnel, everyone is supposed to do "prio dmg " on boss and preferably ST on boss to keep the monsters alive as long as possible, but your group don't get that and they just nuked the monsters in 5 seconds wiht all their cds and leave nothing for the boss.

[sand totem]

So my typical group has a hunter who purposely pads her own damage by killing the adds. I cry every time

On the rare occasion I trick the tank to pull adds in hahaha

[umbral badger]

warrior is top tier spec, but probably S tier in teamplay

[sand totem]

Thats entirely fair as well

[solemn imp]

Hii, is there someone that could help me with a review of my log? it is clear that I'm making several mistakes but I don't know how to find them even less how to fixed them

[sand totem]

Check out log review my friend!

https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1347646810457636974

[solemn imp]

oh, ty!

[silk rock]

On AOE prio mortal over overpower if no cleave right

[rare kite]

as col yes. as slayer overpower over ms on aoe

[naive steeple]

Sometimes I'm lucky enough to play with a tank who understands how War Arms works and pulls adds so I can funnel the boss, but then the other two DPS come along and think they're supposed to use AoE and farm overall 😄

pug life is wild

[mortal crag]

The tank doesn't think it helps u btw they just do it cuz "funnel for group" but they don't actually know the funnel should be for yoj specifically

Surprisingly not many classes this season have a lot of funnel

And the ones that do have it are either burst funnel (not amazing funnel on bosses) or need a lot of mobs for funnel (they barely get funnel from 3 target compared to us)

[naive steeple]

That's right, and in the end I only manage to land one more demolish before the entire extra pack dies and my damage to the boss drops completely.

[mortal crag]

Arms has the best funnel "profile" so to speak

Minimal mob, max value

[naive steeple]

2 mobs in the boss and I'm satisfied.

lmao

[cerulean wasp]

whats the max amount of time to hold bladestorm/CS/avatar so that they line up with each other?

[rose matrix]

20 pos

Still not funnel

pack it up

[umbral badger]

imagine playing doom 1 in 2026

lets goo

[dire hinge]

you always hold BS/Avatar for CS to be applied first.
Note: that doesnt mean casting CS, sometimes you can cast CS and it'll last a while thanks to your tier set, but you need Avatar/BS to happen while CS is applied

[proper moth]

Can someone explain funnel as arms

Does demo stack up faster with adds?

[ripe field]

Yup. Mortal strike will hit 2 targets, doubling the CDR on Demolish and Cleave will also reduce the cooldown, though nowhere near as substantially as mortal strike

and Cleave gains additional damage up to 5 targets

and auto slam/heroic strike @ 150% effectiveness

[proper moth]

Gotchaaaa

So question in AoE charge rend rav x 3 cleave or hit ms first?

[ripe field]

And more rended targets means more rage

[proper moth]

Forsure

Cs after rav sorry

[ripe field]

Honestly Im not sure on that. The APL and wowhead would have you cleave over MS, but I have found that adding a couple of Mortal Strikes when you would have Cleaved ensures a 2nd demolish before CS has faded

Not necessarily prioing MS over Cleave but say... 2-3 casts I might MS when I could have cleaved

[proper moth]

Interesting

[ripe field]

as again, you gain far more CDR from MS than cleave

[proper moth]

Gotcha so maybe weave in MS

[ripe field]

Yup, but that is just my feelscraft and you should probably just do what wowhead says

[proper moth]

Forsure I’m trying to figure out why I can’t spike up to 5-600k

[ripe field]

I dont understand how people are getting 2x demolish per CS without throwing in a couple of mortal strikes in

[proper moth]

Exactly

You hitting demo off the rip or do you stack it?

This first pull ofc

[ripe field]

Always stack to 10 unless in ST

It really helps DPS if you can tag mobs just a couple times during the gather

[proper moth]

Gotcha damn I got some playing around to do

[ripe field]

the difference between being able to hit your big buttons immediately as the pull is gathered VS stacking for a couple of GCDs is huge

[proper moth]

100%

That makes a lot more sense

My brain is rotten from dev DH lmao

[ripe field]

lool

Kind of a rough switch

from Dev to Arms

[proper moth]

Yeah

Played Warrior forever it’s my og class I did t touch it all of TWW so a lot to catch up on

[ripe field]

Oh man, you missed out then. S3 Fury Warrior was peak

of TWW

[proper moth]

😩

[rare kite]

ehh it was strong but it was just rb simulator

[proper moth]

We run it back warrior gonna be top tier this next patch

[ripe field]

yea but it was fun to spin :c

and i really liked the damage profile. Strong ST with good MT

[proper moth]

Fury has always been nice for that but arms is bae

[ripe field]

Yar Im a fan of both. I just cringe when I play colo on a pure ST boss

[vast helm]

We good?

[ripe field]

Arms good

Fury good

Went from being a really rough season to pretty ok

[proper moth]

Slayer feels way better in ST

Demo need a lower CD or more dmg to keep it competitive

Or buff the base kit idk

[ripe field]

Yea I agree. Demolish doesn't feel quite as punchy as it did in S2 TWW

[rare kite]

lower cd? it barely has a cd

[proper moth]

Feels bad when it doesn’t crit😂

[ripe field]

But they'd have to nerf Cleave or something to compensate. Colo AoE is already very good

[proper moth]

Just thinking out loud

Then maybe buff base kit like they just did

Demo could do a lil more dmg though lets be real😂

Colapsing star doing 100s of thousands/millions in AoE lol

[ripe field]

I think comparing War to meta classes will always leave ya disappointed. We will never be Blizzard's favorite qt melee class

[rare kite]

could use a st buff but that's just col in general, yes i know funnel is insane. demolish does about 14% of my damage overall which isn't bad. that's also without taking the aoe deepwounds it applies into account

[rare kite]

arms is giga right now in keys. if there's anytime to compare to meta it's now

[ripe field]

No doubt. Not saying warrior is weak or bad by any means

but we are not UDK

[rare kite]

we're not very far from udk

[ripe field]

In large AoE pulls?

St?

We lose both to UDK

In utility and durability?

lose to UDK

[proper moth]

Forsure just a 1-1 ability comparison

[rare kite]

in overall damage

[proper moth]

I don’t lose to dks in overall

Now pink warriors sometimes

[nova marsh]

Tbh

Im okay with that

[fading isle]

ok so now it's better to play colossus

[nova marsh]

Colo st is still pretty dogshit

[fading isle]

slarms it's better for bosses

[nova marsh]

And slayer is still plenty competitive im sure

[fading isle]

slarms has some very good bursts

Execute > MS in some cases

[fading isle]

ST is bad, but with some adds, it holds up

[nova marsh]

Yeah but slayer is still probably the play in aa and reach

[rare kite]

it more than holds up. nothing beats col st with funnel, it's actually dumb the amount of damage we gain from it

[fading isle]

yeah fr, those dungeons don't have trash mobs

just a single line type of dungeon

[nova marsh]

Also it might make colo okay in mid key pugs

[fading isle]

I wonder why they won't buff MS as a whole and not only from Colo

[nova marsh]

Because blizz is terrified of ms doing damage for some reason

[rare kite]

they're probably happy with slayer performance in raid and don't want to buff it further

[nova marsh]

They did the same crap in s1 tew

[fading isle]

if that is happines to them

idk what tf are they smoking

[paper wasp]

anybody struggling on the first pack in AA? I'm doing 19-20s and i'm always getting laughed at for doing 400k for the first pack in slayer :L (guardian druid dps sometimes wins me)

[nova marsh]

With slayer?

[paper wasp]

yea

[nova marsh]

Yeah

Thats just how we are

Dont care about that shit

Just nuke lasher

[fading isle]

true

even fury slayer is like 350k ish

in that area

[paper wasp]

DKs are just mocking me at this point with their 700-800k dps (by the end of the pack) on the first pull

[nova marsh]

Tell them to fuck off

Filthy paddets

[fading isle]

dks with their big ego (uncapped aoe)

[misty bridge]

xd

[fading isle]

yup

[misty bridge]

gg, time to reroll dk

[fading isle]

i'm not rerolling to the red name

yet

[nova marsh]

Who gives a single fuck about damage to anything that isnt a lasher or bug on that pack

[rare kite]

idk how crit does 600k at the end of that pull. mans built different

[fading isle]

lashers = ego to them

[nova marsh]

"OH LOOK I DID 800K" padded evreything on smallies

[paper wasp]

yea exactly. it's like I press the same buttons but do half his damage xD

[fading isle]

but after those mini adds, they go stupid because the other pulls are 5 to 7 adds

[misty bridge]

Just beat him on overall?, win the war not the battle

[paper wasp]

but ngl, i find issue with uptime on the AA first pull, sometimes tank and i go different directions

[misty bridge]

If the tank is marked it is easier to follow him

[nova marsh]

Just happens

[paper wasp]

but yeah, im doing all that. Just checking if im the only one with this problem lol. cos im getting laughed at in my dungeons now xd

[nova marsh]

Eh

Live with it

Theyre filthy padders

[paper wasp]

wtb removing target cap for warriors :<

i found it a joke when i avatar > colos smash > bladestorm and i see only 300k xD

[nova marsh]

Just remeber

Youre there to blow up the targets that matter

Evreything else is secondary

[paper wasp]

yea that's what im telling myself xd

[vast hinge]

rip slayer with these colo buffs lmao

[minor gust]

Not really

[nova marsh]

Oh look colo deals another baby smack worth of st

[minor gust]

But feel free to continue playing what you want

[nova marsh]

That baby slap means slayer is dead its overrr

[vast hinge]

i love playing slayer but colo does more overall still for me

[tranquil swift]

is wind a col or slayer pug key

[nova marsh]

Probably slayer

Last boss sucks for colo

[minor gust]

Of course Colo does more overall it's the big mongo aoe build

[nova marsh]

Fuck overalls

[minor gust]

Overall isn't everything your sanity matters

[nova marsh]

Kill the boss

Time the key

[rare kite]

one of the best aoe specs does better overall hmhge

[tranquil swift]

yeah i mean the few times ive tried slayer, the aoe is still good

i dont notice a massive difference but i also suck so

lol

[nova marsh]

Skill issue, don't suck

[tranquil swift]

true

we look good here?

[minor gust]

Even with these buffs ultimately for 99.9% of the player base both specs are good and you can play in every key

[vast helm]

good for us

[viral fiber]

How is colo after buff

[minor gust]

https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1234949058121171069

[nova marsh]

can't wait

for evreyone to get mad about arms being buffed again

[thick sage]

does the buff mean now we can play colo on sky and academy?

[nova marsh]

You always could

It's not a good idea but you can

[thick sage]

yeah i know i can but just to optimize

[nova marsh]

Optimally no

3% of nothing is still nothing

[thick sage]

having trouble bringing the full potential of slayer in keys..

feels harder than colo to me

[minor gust]

I wouldnt blame people. Its already a really good spec in keys and it just keeps getting buffs. All because we suck ass in raid.

[nova marsh]

yeah

I see that angle

espically for specs like Law or smth

that are only good in keys too and never get tuned

[minor gust]

like any of the competing specs with us in keys that didnt get buffs are prob pissed af right now

[rare kite]

people already are on reddit

[nova marsh]

it's reddit

when are people on reddit not mad

Like

[rare kite]

exactly

[nova marsh]

reddit and twitter are where you go to get pissed off

[rare kite]

it's entertaining

[nova marsh]

Or wowhead comment section

[rose matrix]

Not really sure why anyone would be mad about a minor st buff to a spec that pulls 70k dps on st fights

There is a good handful of specs that still do great overall and don't have to tradeoff terrible st for it

[minor gust]

doesnt matter because thats just not how most people will see it

gotta boil it down to good spec get buffed again

[ebon tendon]

wait why would peple be mad arms buffed lol

[minor gust]

to clarify non warrior players

[nova marsh]

Ravenholdt must be in shambles rn

Oh yeah they kinda are LOL

[pulsar frost]

Which spec is ravenhold

[nova marsh]

Rogue

[pulsar frost]

Ah thats fine. They dont matter

[nova marsh]

LMAO

[pulsar frost]

Same thing with shamans

Shaman life's dont matter. They're just our skyfury buff

[nova marsh]

Wow

That's depressing cuz I was enhance once

[pulsar frost]

Its ok you play warrior now. Where the life's matter

Played rather you font play wow anymore anyways

[nova marsh]

Blizz hurry up with s2

[pulsar frost]

I have no faith

[nova marsh]

DAMN

[slow sphinx]

https://br.warcraftlogs.com/reports/7JfqWvnATrpZKMQP?fight=18&type=damage-done

guys, i'm new to warrior and i want to learn, i can't parse well with it, no matter what, can someone guide me? any tips?

[spring basalt]

hi guys, i have been playing the slayer arms in dungeons and as it seems no matter how big the pull is and how good i follow the rotation i still do no damage at all

anyone can help me find out why

[slow saddle]

Y so

My only question is

When do u press ms

A way lower key, but my breakdown

Execute does tons of dmg. Try to press it and op a lot

[slow sphinx]

before the pull and after bladestorm

[slow saddle]

Mortal strike?

[slow sphinx]

you did good damage here?

[slow saddle]

I always do

In aoe ms is a low prio

Op does more dmg in st as well

[slow sphinx]

i press on cd basically

[slow saddle]

I think its sd>cleave>op>exe>ms

Ye well thats bad af if u slayer

In m+ build

[rose matrix]

Cleave > SD or High Rage Execute > OP > Execute > MS > Rend

I think Rend is better than MS at higher target counts

Obviously at 2 stacks of SD you'd probably send that instead of a Cleave

[slow saddle]

Y

[minor gust]

you are very likely to be pressing Rend instead of MS in a lot of situations simply because you also just dont press MS that often and you wanna keep rend up

[slow saddle]

Col funnel increases rich gettin richer

Col slowly creepin towards reapectable st

[elder zealot]

Well, not pure ST

[sour compass]

so M+ specc getting better in ST now next week?

[balmy kindle]

With the buffs I think Colo is gonna be really good?

Like if you go for the boss dmg build it's another 3 % up which will bring ST to a very good level

[coral harness]

For Arms Colossus/Slayer, do I just go as much crit/haste gear as possible, or do I still need some mastery pieces?

[slow saddle]

Add me when we get 8%

More

[slow saddle]

Do what bot tells u

Gear appreciates gear

[balmy kindle]

A 8% increase will be incredible though if it happens but I doubt

[coral harness]

what is the best settings sim should i be using? 5min 1 boss target patchwerk? i usually the the default settings

[slow saddle]

Thats what i do

[coral harness]

Thanks 👍

[slow saddle]

I mean and ofc

U need to know bis trinket lists

[stable fiber]

most the bis trinkets this tier have the same value on st and aoe

so its not relevant this tier very much

the only trinket right now that is better on aoe is guidon and even then its still kinda close

and its only for colossus

[ripe field]

Depending on your gear*, Guidon might have value on Belo'ren.

ex. my char sims worse in all cases with Guidon - except for 20 and 40 sec sims. Ideal for blasting egg

[stable fiber]

think if you are progging beloren you run puzzy b

[ripe field]

Dont have

[stable fiber]

ic

[ripe field]

Not a myth anyway

[stable fiber]

yeah nah you would just run myth guidon > hero puzzy b

most people prob dont have a myth puzzy b

[unreal mountain]

the ST buffs are actually something to start with , i appreciate the Demolish love

Collosus i mean

[stable fiber]

i dont think they should go any further

the spec was already good

[ripe field]

Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the ST buff, but adding 3.5% to an already relatively low # is still gonna be low

Gimmie the funnel

[ripe field]

Agreed.

[stable fiber]

people want it to have incredibly high st and high aoe

the only specs rn that are like that is demo lock and uhdk

[ripe field]

Tru

[stable fiber]

it would be a dk and lock though

typical

[slow saddle]

I mean another 5% and st starts gettin decent

Keep in mind the funnel is maaad and got better

[weak rain]

just buff bleeds and colo bleed talents, easy

[wild fractal]

how big is cleave aoe, I feel like I am missing the aoe of cleave and get result as peep damage

[hybrid needle]

In m+ its your #1 damage

[stable fiber]

i think he means

like the size of the cleave frontal cone

[hybrid needle]

Oh as in range

[stable fiber]

which i dont actually know

[wild fractal]

yeah I meant the size

[stable fiber]

its past your melee range though by atleast 5 yards

it also depends on the mobs hitbox

[hybrid needle]

If i had to guess 8 Yards frontal cone

Well wowhead says 5

[stable fiber]

its hitting those 3 target dummies i circled

(the circle itself isnt actually the full range)

[wild fractal]

I see

[stable fiber]

so its pretty large

also outside of my melee range

[hybrid needle]

U know.. seeing this does not feel accurate

[stable fiber]

u can go test

its hitting 3 targets cause fervor is proccing

[hybrid needle]

As in i feel like its less in reality

[stable fiber]

the dummies do have a bigger hitbox then some other mobs

but like on dragons you can literally stand a mile away from the bosses and cleave a orb out in the middle of no where and fervor will proc

[granite swift]

Just asked if tank was gna funnel in a 19 and he said “not doing that dumb sh*t” 😀

[stable fiber]

lmao

[hybrid needle]

Got no experience with dragons
HC pugs they leave them where they are and i cant hit sht

[granite swift]

Sometimes wish colo wasn’t a funnel spec, it’s my fav

[feral breach]

You cant move them in heroic until last phase

They will adjust and keep their distance

[hybrid needle]

Well. Thats part of it then

[neon shale]

Fotm brew

[fiery inlet]

do the st col buff change anything for like a +20 pug environment

nothing really changes no? u still want funnel and shit

[stable fiber]

u still wanna funnel and the gameplay is the same

you are just stronger

[fiery inlet]

thought so and 3.5% seem to small to drive up ur dmg without funnel to slayer equal

[daring heron]

you're not making use of colossus arms if you don't add funnel

feel like most routes naturally add some funnel anyway

cause it's always more efficient than single targeting big mobs or bosses anyway, funnel or not

[white canopy]

Whats the difference between colossal and slayer now?

In ST

[daring heron]

can drop this into raidbots expert mode header options if you want to look for yourself

override.spell_data=effect.1114022.base_value=25
# Thunder Blast
override.spell_data=effect.1125684.ap_coefficient=1.977807```

stole from archi so credits to him

im not home so not checking it myself but best to sim with m+ builds to compare

assuming you're asking for m+

[thick kelp]

m+ build pre buff

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/diFvUwWSxEqV9oaByeR9DM

m+ build post buff
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qP59dsaEWBLBr7Xd6tQoga

in slarms gear

[leaden garnet]

Honestly poggers

[leaden garnet]

Slarms and Colo runs virtually identical gear, no?

[oak flame]

It’s a useless buff nothing changed basically

[leaden garnet]

It's a 3% ST buff for a spec that badly needs an ST buff

We'll take it

[hasty pumice]

what

[daring heron]

nah i predict this is the nail in the coffin for slayer arms m+ for my high keys

even skyreach and aa will be col now

[thick kelp]

🔮

[hasty pumice]

3-4% to a top spec is not useless

[white canopy]

Yeah, seems like it, since you can go abit more ST in colo aswell

[hasty pumice]

cant wait to fuck up my demolish on crawth tornados

[leaden garnet]

How do you mess up Demo on Crawth?

Like casting it and then the tornado drifts into you?

[daring heron]

nado assassinates you by hiding in boss model

xd

[hasty pumice]

^

[leaden garnet]

I see, I see

[hasty pumice]

crawth visibility can be ass sometimes

[white canopy]

Or get kidnappad by Gargoyle mid demolish

[daring heron]

bro that tilts me to the moon

[leaden garnet]

I had the lovely experience of using Demo on the last boss of Pit and dropping 350k damage into the dirt

Because he jumped at the tank

[daring heron]

key session is over if gargoyle cancels my demo

[leaden garnet]

God that triggers me so badly

[white canopy]

Man its like Lura, sneaky beyblades

[hasty pumice]

you say that then nothing changes in your facial structure

[daring heron]

true

[hasty pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/yeojin-loona-yeojin-dog-me-loona-stan-twitter-stan-twitter-gif-13874852814399706609

[daring heron]

maybe i should pick up poker

[leaden garnet]

I've started holding Demo until the gargoyle grabs someone

[hasty pumice]

this is you all stream

why

is the woman in that gif

?

[daring heron]

dunno

is she me

[hasty pumice]

femboy critcake arc

[astral bolt]

With the colossus dmg increase, can I just play Colossus in AA?

[white canopy]

Maybe if he put some Makeup on

[hasty pumice]

wait

maybe colossus can survive +22 / +23 aoe from the sentinel

cause slarms cant without full def cd

[astral bolt]

Cause of the 5% less or?

[daring heron]

what sentinel

big guy after 1st boss aa?

[leaden garnet]

Surely you can if you parry it with Demo+def stance+ref

[hasty pumice]

the storm elemental big guy

[daring heron]

i live that with dstance sr shaman vigor

[hasty pumice]

ye but i cant expect shammy heal to give me vigor in pug, if I play with friendlist people ez

[daring heron]

with no vigor ig col will make you safe

[hasty pumice]

but on 23?

why is not even close so meh

no def stance mastery, no demolish DR

[daring heron]

rotate dbts and parry xd

i lived all of them actually on 23

but i made use of larens trinket too

[hasty pumice]

listen

maybe AA push

will be the time for last stand to shine?

[daring heron]

lmao

[hasty pumice]

oh ignore pain

not last stand mb

[daring heron]

honestly think if we had infinite attempts on 23 aa we could have timed that yesterday too

think we had 4 deaths and qrva was dead for 30% of last boss because german internet got emp'd

[hasty pumice]

F

[daring heron]

we still timed 22

[hasty pumice]

i had an unfortunate seat 22 yesterday

tank withheld route

[daring heron]

we just need to time 22 seat now for my resi

[hasty pumice]

then pulled like this

[daring heron]

then i join 4150 gang i think

[hasty pumice]

and on lura he forced last second the 2nd damage amp to NOT be delayed

[daring heron]

xd

[hasty pumice]

and then we didnt have BL up for damage amp

we couldve lined up BL with amp

12s overtime

ty tonka

what is that pull 9 to 10

is that a kira secret tech that I missed or what

backtracking in M+ always sick

[daring heron]

no clue

yesterday we timed mt22 with 9 deaths

that big pull after 2nd boss

we full wiped

and at the end of the key we realised we had no book haste buff at all

we fucking forgor

[hasty pumice]

its so funny to see biz and xhanon both have lots of 22 runs

with tons of deaths

that they still time

but they cant get a 23 done

[daring heron]

wonder why do they just die

[austere hamlet]

bro..

[daring heron]

maisara 23 felt super free to us yesterday

[austere hamlet]

dont beat a man who's already down..

[hasty pumice]

hey man its no shade I havent done a 23 yet haha

I just think the jump is interesting

here man, take this flower

https://tenor.com/view/nanobombs-cat-flower-gif-9240641794916841111

[fringe quest]

i really need a group for Gnomeregan lmao

classic wow

[hasty pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/theoffice-michael-dwight-hug-gif-5026058

[austere hamlet]

ty

[tacit dew]

Does arms still top overalls if no funnel?

[hasty pumice]

you should be happy to actually play with a team

we're still assembling and until then I'm stuck to 22 pug hell

[novel raven]

same

struggling to pug my 22s and cant get a 21 AA to save my life

[daring heron]

im glad im not fulltime pugging

the 1-2 nights a week where i pug usually dont get me any score

wait 20 min for group, play, deplete

or i get bored of waiting and sign for a key i've already done so i can play

[hasty pumice]

if it was only 20 mins it'd be nice

the last 2 days I was able to play like

5 keys?

[daring heron]

fun

[hasty pumice]

there's not many phys comps pugging at 22 rn

only whenever a warrior is missing somewher

and then usually alex or twofathers get in

cause they're active at the same time

[cold cargo]

Doubt u will outpump an unholy if u have 0 funnel, but most specs probably

[hasty pumice]

this is me

[clever crag]

Colo buff oooo

[daring heron]

lmao

[wind flicker]

Lmfao

[cold cargo]

cant even pug 20s well tbh lmao, sometimes I wait 2 hours and get bored and go into 18s

[white canopy]

Welcome to the club

[stable fiber]

i did 1 key today guys!!!!!

holy motivation

[wide needle]

Nice time zone

[slow saddle]

Realisticly no

Esp col

But depends specs u play with and if shaman

[stable fiber]

yeah i woke up 18 hours ago

1 key

KABOOOM

pace unmatched

[wide needle]

Ive only done baby keys on my warrior so it's fast to jam out a loaf

Load

[rustic igloo]

Hey, why are ppl using ravager before avatar + CS, i ahve been doing it in the following sequence for weeks now : Pot - Avatar - CS - Demo - Ravager - 3x cleave... am i dumb??

[vale cradle]

cuz low initial dam

more cs gcds on big dam

[rustic igloo]

ahhhhhhhh

[narrow fossil]

Been going through the Macro section and saw the override macro for Heroic Strike:
/use [known:Heroic Strike] Heroic Strike; Mortal Strike

However, does not seam to work properly, anyone with an idea why?

[hollow juniper]

anyone have sheets for spell reflect ?

[thick hamlet]

what do u mean low initial dam

[sacred zodiac]

Ravager does Jack shit damage so you use a gcd of cs to Do nothinf

And Iirc you dont get an extra cleave inside of rav if you do this

[ionic mica]

It's a pin in prot channel

[thick kelp]

blizz broke it

[rapid cairn]

Fury Slayer’s damage output feels really high in dungeons, and compared to Slayer Arms it honestly feels better to play. My sims are also coming out higher. But in basically every ranking and tier list, Arms is rated higher, both as Colossus and Slayer. What are your thoughts on this, guys?

[viral fiber]

So after reset can we play colossus on all dungeons?

[slow saddle]

So 3.5% st

U can always play col

[wide apex]

hear hear

[slow saddle]

But slayer still does a lot more st

[wide apex]

would be sick if the tuning they did made sense

[slow saddle]

It does

Gives col more st

And funnelski

[viral fiber]

But colossus needed at least 10% buff on ST

[ionic mica]

Arms prio damage big

[slow saddle]

I mean would need 2 reduce funnel

[slow saddle]

I dno man

Slayer arms is so much bettet

I do way more prio

Funnel dmg still insane, and the st is crazy

[wide apex]

so their aim is for colossus to be unplayable on ST

[slow saddle]

Wdym

[wide apex]

These change aim to improve Colossus’ performance in single target and Mountain Thane’s performance in AOE relative to other Hero Talent options.

[slow saddle]

Its ok nlw

[wide apex]

its just random ass tuning

[slow saddle]

Its slowly sneakin into mid st

[wide apex]

just increase number surely itll work out

[slow saddle]

Col should never be more than mid st

Mid at best. Tbh low lid

Mid

[wide apex]

yeah so no attempt to tune it basicly

[ionic mica]

They did improve Colo st

Which is what they said they were doing

It was pretty clear when they changed the wording of practiced strikes earlier this season that they'd use it as a ST tuning knob for Colo, when they split ms and slam from cleave in the tooltip

[slow saddle]

Wdym

It has a nicje

Insane funnel great aoe

Downside is purr st

Ppl are doin acceptable st dmg as col allready

[wide apex]

yeah but if im in a mythic raid I cannot choose to play colossus unless the fight is tailored for it

its wack to me

[desert briar]

Guys did anyone analyse an M+ run with wowanaylzer? If so, What Ability and Meele Uptime is it showing for a run?

[digital canopy]

Hello Guys, i have a questions regarding the wowhead BIS list i'd hope someone can help me with. Why don't we catalyst Mythic boots into crit + tempo instead the BIS is Chimaerus boots with mastery?

[feral breach]

The bis list is only bis if you have everything in this list

So with already high krit/haste values, mastery might surpass them on some slots

[digital canopy]

makes senses, is there a min stat requirement for mastery we need to hit?

i usually sim everything but on dungeon slice it tells me catalyst is a dmg increase but if i select target dummy it says its a decrease

[feral breach]

You sim yourself and your gear options and take the best combo

Then compare the relative %

Afaik dungeon slice is whack

Most sim with 5t and st

Patchwerk

[digital canopy]

okay, thanks alot brother that helped alot have a great weekend

[abstract ivy]

For Col obviously; are you holding CDs to reach 10 stacks of colossal might then popping the cds and hitting demolish? Should I be able to get 2 demos off inside one cs window? I imagine managing might stacks are the hardest aspect of playing colossus?

[west oracle]

Guys for m+ is colossal the best now ? And fury back to slayer ? 😑

[steep escarp]

Guys, you really can play what you want.

[feral breach]

I need to optimize my +4 competitive keys

[haughty jacinth]

I can play this group finder on any spec easy

[feral breach]

I blue parse on raidfinder 💪

[west oracle]

Well that’s great to know

[elder path]

If you get lots of crits or have a haste buff like lust you can often get two demo out in a single CS window.

Even if you don’t get the second demo out within the window itself you more than likely can get a second demo out before CS comes back off cooldown, and your next demo comes up halfway thru the next CS window. Technically it’s an incredibly minor loss in damage since the haste and bleed buff from pressing demo is better spent during the beginning of a CS window rather than halfway through one.

[pearl shore]

is there a way to see relevant dungeon debuffs centered in your screen

without having to move the whole debuff bar

[rapid cairn]

These are the sim results with my current stats, and I still don’t understand how Slayer Arms is supposed to have a better DPS profile. Even from my own gameplay in +19-20 keys, I’m getting higher DPS results with Fury. What are your thoughts on this?

I enjoy playing both specs, but I want to push my damage a bit further. This is the first time in a long while that I’ve been this confused, because my own results are completely conflicting with sites like Archon.