arms

[pulsar frost]

Box is kinda not fun

[cold cargo]

100%

[pulsar frost]

Should try to pug mythic chimmy tho

Very ez pug with very good trinket

[vestal smelt]

They should update the wowhead then I'm pretty sure it was still recommended

[pulsar frost]

I mean wowhead should be right

[cold cargo]

Vora even easier

[pulsar frost]

Eh in a sense. But its it'll annoying since lockout

Chimmy vastly easier since you cna just join a nother pug without lockout

[vestal smelt]

It's literally the only S tier trinket from m+ lol

[cold cargo]

I only do first 3 with pugs

[pulsar frost]

I mean ye thats how it is

[cold cargo]

No guild :(

[pulsar frost]

Normally raid always have the best trinkets

[cold cargo]

but also dont really want a guild with set times

[pulsar frost]

Likely our trinks are very easy to get early in raid

[cold cargo]

I just wanna raid whenever I want

but Mythic lockout

meh

stupid mechanic

[vestal smelt]

Didn't you say that it is not recommended? I'm very confused lmao

[cold cargo]

I join group that says first 4

ppl leave after 2nd

[pulsar frost]

I pugged chimmy on day q of bonus rolls snd got it so shrug

[pulsar frost]

What isnt recommended

[cold cargo]

good luck getting some idiots in for imp

[vestal smelt]

puzzlebox lmao. Do you not remember the conversation from 2 minutes ago?

[pulsar frost]

My heart farming was annoying since I didnt do it after gaze smh

[cold cargo]

chimmy is either oneshot or u have idiots

[pulsar frost]

I didnt say its not recommended. I said its not fun

[cold cargo]

but should be oneshot mostly

[pulsar frost]

You havw to hard cast it for 2 seconds

The second you move it cancels.

[vestal smelt]

I mean that's been true since it came out in DF

[pulsar frost]

Most folks will agree with me its just not a fun trinket

[pulsar frost]

You could move with it in DF

[cold cargo]

I hate it on my Ret

[vestal smelt]

No you couldn't?

[cold cargo]

and I hate it on my feral

[pulsar frost]

Shrug thats what folks said

[minor gust]

Equip 2 passive trinkets and play the game

[vestal smelt]

I mean it's a cringe stat trinket like they all are tbh

[pulsar frost]

But I never said its not recommended sooo

[modest marlin]

it really is a pity how much single target damage the m+ build has to give up

[pulsar frost]

So if yoy like the box use it. Its just not fun lol

[vestal smelt]

All trinket design is so terrible and has been so for the last 2 expansions

[zenith lodge]

Whats so bad about them?

[pulsar frost]

I mean passives simple. Its judt stats

But a 2 second hard cast is lame

[cold cargo]

Seaforium in TWW was literally gaze

if I dont mix em up

[pulsar frost]

Gaze is just a primary stat antenna from last season that you dont need to grab orbs

[cold cargo]

ah no seaforium was crit

[pulsar frost]

But folks like and prefer gaze and heart due to being both passives and very good

Sure box is a nice 900 or so mastery. But folks dont wanna do that shit in keys. I sure as he'll dont

[cold cargo]

• mastery aint even mainstat

On something like Ret

there isnt many better choices except maybe plume

[modest marlin]

prism sims well for me

[runic tundra]

play slayer and just be ok in both

[cold cargo]

I do 80+ on Slayer compared to like 60 on Colossus ST

[clever crag]

Slayer is great

[cold cargo]

slayer just way more fun

[clever crag]

With pugs you dont want to sandbag on bosses

It looks bad for us warriors

That boss in NPX with the dmg increase as slayer is beatiful

[latent moss]

in df

if u played blademasters

u could macro it to ava and bs while its channeling

[modest marlin]

I did do better as Slayer lol.

[unkempt cosmos]

havent looked at this group in a few days, but what happened to the fury channel?

[runic tundra]

real shit u just said

[runic tundra]

wdym?

[unkempt cosmos]

i mean lol all i see is # arms prot then it goes to dps-faq and prot-faq

or is it just a discord being wierd thing

[runic tundra]

https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/148898695696482305

[unkempt cosmos]

ah see it now xD

[runic tundra]

probs disc being wierd or you saw all the messages in fury and so it shortened it to only the things u haven't seen the latest msgs in

[modest marlin]

I love colossus and I think it's fun, but they need to find a way for it's m+ build to get more boss damage.

[runic tundra]

they need to find a way where pulling on top of boss is a happy coincedence and not a make or break in my boss performance xd

also ngl they better keep this tier set someway somehow

i enjoy this extendo WB

[spring vale]

Fiiiiinally got my garfrost weapon

Also have a bunch of pieces ready to be turned into tier but no catalyst charges 🥀

[spring vale]

Could be a new capstone in the talent tree

Has happened before

(S3 DF Havoc tier set got turned into a talent)

[solemn blaze]

hey guys, trying to get back into WoW, how is arms now?

Kinda quit after getting curve like 3 weeks into the season lol

[leaden garnet]

Markedly below average ST, good 2T, and literally the best 3-5T sustained DPS in the entire game

[solemn blaze]

oh pog so it got better

[leaden garnet]

Both hero talents have received many consecutive buffs

In raid arms is still pretty decidedly middle of the pack to below average, basically only performing well on Vanguard

In m+ Arms is sort of vaguely the fifth best DPS spec, which is another way of saying it doesn't meet the cutoff to be "meta"

🙂

[fresh spire]

It's meta for phys comp

[slow saddle]

i think solid middle on lura it can even be good and prob same on belo now ?

but if u progged when specs mattered warrior was dog last - paladins and dragons

[rare kite]

it's pretty up there on lura, iirc nr 6 statistically. bit higher than middle on belo as well

[zenith lodge]

ye arms, is very nice on lura, you might be trolling first half of the fight, but once you start getting to execute you do very well

[tranquil parcel]

Hi, I am coming from UDK and are used to sololy being able to escape gargoyles in PoS. Do warriors have similar way or we rely on it being nuked? :)

[stable fiber]

slayer has 2 ways to escape
afaik colossus has no way to escape

unless im missing some niche ability

[rare kite]

meld if nelf

[stable fiber]

meld yeah

bladestorm and charge (only as slayer) can both free you

colossus though you are just stuck

[tranquil parcel]

Why does charge work for slayer and not colo? Just a dumb question

[zenith lodge]

slayer specific

[burnt shard]

Hey guys as arms in aoe pack whats prio always to use it first

[dim basalt]

Whatever the guide tells you to press first

[burnt shard]

what do you mean guide

[dim basalt]

#dps-faq

[rare kite]

wowhead for example. good guide

[slow saddle]

well also

just press cleave or bladestorm

i mean first button is CS

[steep geode]

hey guys is arms better then fury in m+?

or is ikt better only in specific comp?

[leaden garnet]

Colo Arms is better in most keys. Slayer arms keys (Skyreach, Academy) might be better as fury

[steep geode]

so it doesnt really matter its preference

[leaden garnet]

That's... one possible interpretation of that sentence.

[steep geode]

collossus or slayer as arms?

[leaden garnet]

There's no way what I said was that difficult to parse.
Colossus Arms is better in most keys. In the keys where it isn't, which is basically SR and AA, play whatever you want.

[steep geode]

kk

[finite ginkgo]

I’d say no but I got kicked from some keys because I was fury and I get way more invites as arms

[steep geode]

imma try arms bro cuz i never ever played arms

its gonna be fresh experience

[thorny hare]

Does anyone know if you bladestorm with a target and said target dies and bladestorm keeps going does unhinged automatically hit something else in the meantime that you're looking for another target?

[inner condor]

im struggling to time a 17-18 AA, i have some 18 already done but idk why AA is so hard to me, any advice?

[thick kelp]

thight timer that relies on your team doing boss dam

instead of maximum overall dps

[inner condor]

normally what usually happens to me is that people complain about my damage at the first pull xd

idk if i am doing something wrong, but i cant do more dmg on that pull

[clever crag]

Thats normal

Who cares about that pull

[ionic mica]

They want you to join them in doing mostly pointless uncapped aoe to small lashers, when the big lashers are the actual target

Ignore them and do what arms does

[clever crag]

You go big on all pulls and bosses after

[inner condor]

Okay, ty a lot

[uncut lagoon]

The only danger on the first pull is the tank not dropping bleed stacks
The big adds are priority, if they die later than the small adds usually means you have some insane aoe players and then you realise boss fights are taking 5 minutes each afterwards

[ionic mica]

There are still things to do to get decent damage on the first pull like stick to the tanks ass, but I assume you're doing decent damage or you would've asked for more specific help!

[inner condor]

yes ofc, i stick to the tank, but when u are against a bear tank, uh dk, or things like that people always complain about ur dmg

[ionic mica]

All good, just checking xD people like to think first pulls of a dungeon indicate your overall damage, but they're mostly obsessed with "can you hit millions of dps cos there's lots of little guys"

Was the case in DF as well, they don't say anything when you overtake them by the end of the dungeon xD

I'm sure they'll say the same after first boss when you do less overall but double the boss damage

[inner condor]

Exactly xD

they do dps to the little plants, but dmg to the boss is ridiculous small, so we do like 4 or 5 phases of regrowth

first pull on SR is the same :(

[ionic mica]

Imagine in dragonflight I played enhancement shaman and was hard capped at 6 targets, the start of academy was brutal

[inner condor]

i know your pain :( in dragonflight i was playing frost dk and it was capped too

not the build of breath, the build of obli before it was buffed

[ionic mica]

It's a tough time but it is satisfying to beat them by the end by actually doing damage the rest of the key

[leaden garnet]

Hi. Just cleared M Vorasius for the first time, https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bq2LQ7jDTyzMtPH1?fight=last&type=damage-done&source=1
111k DPS on a pure ST fight when top logs are pulling 140k makes me feel weak. What can I improve?

[sacred zodiac]

bad kill time

also looks to me like youre pressing shit based on vibes a lot? you rend on opener when its not really good anymore and ive found at least 2 instances where you had 4 gcds between mortal strikes outside of execute

[leaden garnet]

I'm unsure about Rend usage atm

[sour compass]

hey, I am fairly new to arms and I am pretty overwhelmed by all the abilities tbh - I am aware about certain mechanics like CS window burst etc but I actually dont understand how to minmax dps. so how important are CM stacks, like do you actively track them because in the guides I cant seem to find any detailed info about it other than cast demolish at 10 stacks. so I basically always want to make sure to build enough stacks during CS or should I cast CS with some stacks already, imagining its not the opening sequence.

[sacred zodiac]

press it instead of slam in st its not that complicated

[leaden garnet]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/BzLN1HFJKdTDtxqC?fight=2&type=casts&source=3 I'm comparing to this log which also maintains Rend

[sacred zodiac]

you ignore it completely its just fully passive

[sour compass]

oh ok so just make sure that I cast demolish at the end of a CS window?

[leaden garnet]

Trying to avoid wasting Tactical Edge procs most likely

[sour compass]

so I just need to track sweeping strikes and cast it outside of CS if not up?

[sacred zodiac]

i think after the patch you kinda just rip demo on cd

[leaden garnet]

Is it still correct to prioritise OP at 2 stacks over MS?

[sacred zodiac]

i dont remember a single recent arms iteration where that was the case

[sour compass]

so I dont align it with CS ?

[sacred zodiac]

not inherently but because cleave reduces it by 5 and ms (sweeped) reduces it by 10-20 you usually line it up anyways

[leaden garnet]

📝 I see, I see. MS on CD ALWAYS outside of Execute, noted

[sacred zodiac]

you cdr that shit so much you can kinda just press it and most of them will end up in a cs window or not delay the next one to be outside the cs window

[leaden garnet]

I was advised to take Tactical Edge by someone else in this discord but tbh it feels like a lot of wasted procs

[sacred zodiac]

in what context

[leaden garnet]

ST

[sacred zodiac]

@latent moss what the fuck are you doing

okay that just looks like an m+ more ST focused build

[latent moss]

for st u can play just warming up and te with opportunist

over ff and 2x bb

[sacred zodiac]

tacitcal edge is just m+ garbage tho or

[latent moss]

fishy plays it in raid and so do i

[sacred zodiac]

does it sim higher

[latent moss]

yes

need the te apl

if u dont have mp

[sacred zodiac]

very cool

[latent moss]

when i simmed for 2t u swap just warming up to broad strokes and drop mp for powerful

[sacred zodiac]

how much dps inc are we talking

[latent moss]

i swap just warming up for broad strokes for bosses with random ahh cleave like imperator and vorasius

[leaden garnet]

Okay, so, issues with that Vora clear were 1) worse kill time, 2) prioritising OP stacks (and TE) ahead of MS

Anything else?

[latent moss]

its like -0.4%

[latent moss]

very small

[leaden garnet]

I vaguely recall holding CS for an add phase which partly explains the lower CPM

[latent moss]

but feels better and u dont press rend

[sacred zodiac]

you can slightly ignore my advice regarding mortal strike since youre playing a different build

i did see you dump 2x SD instead of pressing MS tho

[leaden garnet]

📝

[balmy kindle]

I have a 18 clear SR with TE, it's legit esp when there's no blue man

[latent moss]

u dont prio op

[leaden garnet]

Right, I'm saying I was prioritising it when I shouldn't have

[latent moss]

oh fair

[sacred zodiac]

is this meant to mean something

[leaden garnet]

Sounds like I was overcomplicating it

Send MS on CD above 35%, easy

[balmy kindle]

Well the build works?

[sacred zodiac]

well yeah i dont doubt that a better simming build can do better

[leaden garnet]

The difference between TE vs non-TE is probably tiny btw

[latent moss]

1.7 st for -1.7 8t

te vs cc

1.9 2t

3t already a loss

[leaden garnet]

? What

[latent moss]

prio dmg is the same

[leaden garnet]

There's no way CC is that weak

[latent moss]

its slayer

[leaden garnet]

Eeeehhhh I guess

That still feel sus to me

[latent moss]

st: +1.7%
2t: +1.9%
3t: +0.1%
5t: -1%
8t: -1.7%

sims expired

te is simmed with te apl

cc with standard

[balmy kindle]

Maybe it's like what you said, CC just does nothing outside of aoe

TE indirectly results in more opp op hits

[latent moss]

wdym indirectly

it directly gives u more opp ops

which hit hard

if u dont have skyfury

the difference is way bigger on st and 2t

te just mogs cc without skyfury

like around 3%

crazy

[balmy kindle]

Yeah the key I did I had no blue man, was pretty amazed how well it worked.

Ah cause Opp ops technically are not as strong as cleave, but they still hit quite hard

[latent moss]

did u play the curse or regular massacre just with te

the curse surprised me

u still want blue man but it's playable without

[balmy kindle]

Cursed

It was a 18 SR I had no sham so I was like f it let's give curse a go since I'mma be useless otherwise

[latent moss]

efficiency goes crazy

icl

slam tickles ur rage bar

[balmy kindle]

No more waiting for globals

Aoe was not amazing but I pumped in bosses

[plain ember]

anyone knows a good CDM profile for arms?

and where i can find it

[vast helm]

when can we track Heroic Might again?

[balmy kindle]

Never

[vast helm]

[sour compass]

is it possible that the billazrd cooldown manager is bugged for CS because the icon keeps disappearing even though its still running

[calm hollow]

if you have lua errors, it can easily disappear

[tranquil swift]

Col arms what’s the 2t rotation? No cleave right?

[unreal mountain]

Guys I Need help for Aoe Damage . I lose to much damage somehow in Big pulls. Don’t We use rend at pull or opener ?

[calm hollow]

you cleave, with 3 stacks of collateral

[tranquil swift]

So only with 3 stacks of collateral? I just mic overpower etc until then?

[calm hollow]

yea, you do the ST rotation with SS up and cleave with 3 stacks

[ionic mica]

cleave with 3 stacks is still only ahead of slam in 2t

youd rather MS and HS

[balmy kindle]

What build are you referring to though

[calm hollow]

ofc you will prio other buttons over cleave

you just use it with 3 stacks

[unreal mountain]

I do Play slayer exe Build mostly and sometimes collo

[balmy kindle]

Usually on 1st pull I think it's quite hard to be super amazing overall unless you get massive reap procs

It does even out though, not really a big deal if the key gets timed

[latent moss]

ure switching targets

[unreal mountain]

Yeah but charge > rend > cleave or SD proccs Right and fill with OP . I think I just have Bad Position in Aoe pulls and Not a Rotation Problem. How to stand in Big pulls to Max put cleave and OP damage

And is it better
To use cleave mostly with 3 stacks of collateral or allways press when up Even without stacks

[sour compass]

ah yes thx

[calm hollow]

and how does that make CS disappear?

[sour compass]

its a debuff on the target not a personal buff

[ripe field]

You extend the duration of CS on your target when you use MS

Whatever you're prioing will always have CS applied for several seconds after it has faded on the other mobs

[balmy kindle]

On aoe cleave is still pressed a lot

On slayer it's mostly reap procs cleave and OP making up aoe outside of bs

[calm hollow]

so? how do you track it, that it disappears? :DD

[ripe field]

As a debuff on the mob's HP

[calm hollow]

sorry but i know how it works, asking him, how his disappear

[ripe field]

Just so Im understanding, you're asking why when CS seems to disappear when changing targets?

I hit CS, the mobs all get 10 seconds of CS applied. I hit MS twice on the prio target, thus it has 2 extra seconds of CS compared with the other mobs

[calm hollow]

i never asked that, that other guy did

[ripe field]

oh

[sour compass]

it does not disappear on teh target it diosappears if you track it from blizzard CDM

because if you switch to a target that has the debuff not applied it wont show, or if teh target dies that had it applied

I just picked up the specc like 1h ago xD

[calm hollow]

OOH, ofc it wont show, if you switch to a target that has no CS on it, now i get the problem

[sour compass]

guess I figured it out now, so all you can track on yourself is sweeping strikes

bc the other guy said CM stacks dont matter :3

[calm hollow]

if you play right you will have max stack demo for all CS i think, so yea stacks doesnt really matter

i track these, but you dont even need that much, i just like to see some things

[steep geode]

arms is so much harder

then fury

no cap

[surreal spade]

guys, when i need swap lights potential to reck?

[dim basalt]

When it sims better

[surreal spade]

copy

[weary compass]

In pure 2-target, where is cleave in the priority? Assuming SS is up

[dim basalt]

That was answered just a few messages above

[steep geode]

@dim basalt bro wtf is this icy veins

aint explaining sht

[dim basalt]

dunno I always check wowhead

But its the same guide writer so

[steep geode]

i play arms first time ever

this shit is unclear to me

[dim basalt]

wowhead does cover majority of what you need

If you started playing this expecting its as easy as dk then uhhh

[steep geode]

i cant open wowhead

[steep geode]

even worse before arms iv played frost mage

i played fury warrior in tww

for brief period

i think ill respec to fury its so much easier

priorities are easier

[willow lance]

flat damage profile tho

[dim basalt]

From a quick glance iv seems to have all you need

[steep geode]

i mean arms might be way more fun

[pastel dew]

Arms is for finesse, one blade, being one with the blade, being like water, in and out , footwork of a dancer, composing a whirling ballet of steel and might

Fury is like the toy monkey on toy story banging symbols together

[leaden garnet]

I'm virtually BiS but I still feel weak

[spring ether]

https://tenor.com/view/bruce-lee-fight-martial-arts-ready-be-water-gif-20749704

[wide needle]

question here on rotation

during execute colo m+ build st

erm slayer sorry

mortal strike with 2 stacks, only during col smash

does that mean outside of col smash i dont press mortal strike?

[dim basalt]

ye

[wide needle]

cheers

i like the feeling of colo more but damn do i stink at st

i must be slow on some button presses and shit too

[balmy kindle]

MT fury is the ultimate escape for zugging

[fiery inlet]

that is just colo unless u get funnel

[rose whale]

not sure if you've posted/found it yet, but i just did some testing myself, it wasnt occuring at 49.9% haste, and is happening at 51% haste consistently

[marsh thistle]

I somehow dont deal very big st damage with the slayer arms spec

[rose whale]

seems like its somewhere between 50 and 51

[fresh spire]

worked it out to be around the 50%+ mark last night, bloodlust basically always causes the issue, looking deeper into actual number loss it surprisingly is a lot less than i imagined, somewhere between 400-1200dps loss. with out execute flows when your at that level of haste for most part you will still end up executing 3 times in a row so the bug isn't so bad, bug shows its head more though when you do rage starve for actual loss

[stable plume]

do i always prio ms over execute without sudden death proccs, even if there are targets in execute range in aoe as slayer?

[ripe field]

Yes, MS over exe in aoe sans SD proc

[ionic mica]

not as slayer

[ashen night]

and u shouldnt switch off the funnel target, even if there is a small one to execute

[ionic mica]

slayer barely presses MS it does no dam

[stable plume]

yea, ofc, but i was thinking if im on a big funnel target and execute cleave off it

[ionic mica]

you can mouseover execute with sweeping to hit prio mob as well

[ripe field]

Not according the APL and Wowhead

[ionic mica]

as slayer in aoe?

[ripe field]

Execute without SD proc is lowest priority

[stable plume]

yea, according to wowhead

[ripe field]

Wohead

[ionic mica]

fair enough feel free to ms

[ripe field]

& I go through the APL and make it into a readable format

[sleek quarry]

We send CDs on cd for the most part right? Aside from short holds to line up with other cds/burn phases? Colossus if that matters

[ripe field]

This is Slayer AoE prio

[stable plume]

ty bro

the ms prio is probably to keep colo debuff going for longer

[sleek quarry]

Im asking because in the wowhead guide it says in the "Aligning Cooldowns" section that mostly use on CD. However, in the priority section it says Demolish should be used during smash window

[ionic mica]

you send cs on cooldown and hold everything else to line up with that (ava bs ravager)

demolish you hold for cs in st and in aoe you can send on cd or hold for cs it doesnt make much difference

[sleek quarry]

Ah alright, ty

[ripe field]

At least according to the rotation writer people, only hold Ravager and Demo for CS windows. Basically, Avatar on CD, and everything else aligning with CS.

[ionic mica]

do not press ava without cs

[ripe field]

But its often possible to Demolish while CS is either about to run out or has run out a second or two before

And it should be available for the next CS window

or immediately after hitting CS

That's feelscraft unless you've done some APL editing

But do what you wish

[ionic mica]

as long as your whole cs window is in ava it would be fine to send on cd, you should have ava for every other cs anyway

[distant vapor]

fresh arms war, we coin pit of saron, right?

[old kettle]

in m+ st colo is soooo bad, like just above tank bad, but if the tank can bring in extra mobs into the boss then it is helpful.

[spark mango]

as arms you should learn that warbreaker is your main cooldown, if you send it alone its fine but no cd is fine without it, except for demolish in aoe, because even if you send it without cs the next one is in cs window

[barren void]

Yeah pretty good place to send all bonus rolls

[spark mango]

my demolish is often like this, demolish with cs>demolish without cs>demolish with Cs, but in st i hold demolish

[old kettle]

always sweeping strikes then demolish

with aoe

[granite stone]

What do i drop from this build to take sweeping strikes?
https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/arms/slayer/EAOBRUUVRVQWYRqRQBRNVVUVGIFRCYVF0BAFFVVVUBA

[zenith lodge]

you always have sweeping strikes, its baseline

[granite stone]

Its not in the wowhead ST build - feels like it would be helpfull for some fights?

Ah nvm just realised what you ment

[granite stone]

Is there a better build than the wowhead ones for fight like Averian or the dragons?

[zenith lodge]

you can always just look at warcraft logs, but filter out all the chinese players

[wide needle]

ive been holding demolish

but sometimes sending it and

is there a seconds left on cs cooldown that i should be waiting on

[granite stone]

ty

[wide needle]

what you fellers like in your m+ groups as colo

shaman ofc and

im trying to find a single target pumper who will make up for my deficiencies

[languid torrent]

a good player

[reef prairie]

the way your st is made up for is by bringing funnel to everything applicable

standard physical composition is like outlaw/feral/arms/brm/resto though

[west oracle]

hello, for m+ what simulation we do ? Dungeion slice?

[thick kelp]

patchwerk x target x duration

[west oracle]

5 min and 5 targets ?

[leaden garnet]

Why filter out Chinese players?

[thick kelp]

are you fighting 5 targets for 5 mins

[cold vigil]

i cant seem to be able to track sweeping strikes

saw other people who have it on the same page

[thick kelp]

Make a new profile and its there

[thick kelp]

Chinese players host parse runs where 1 player gets to parse ex. be the only one to do damage to orbs or averian adds

[cold vigil]

ok thanks

does slayer hold up in m+?

or only colossus?

[thick kelp]

both work

[sour compass]

can you have a macro that whenever execute is available cast it if not cast slam? it makes sense to have this on the same button no?

[feral breach]

you cant

[sour compass]

sad

[buoyant axle]

first few keys on arms guess thats not that bad for a 16 seat

[stuck yacht]

Col or Slayer better now for M+?

[buoyant axle]

depends on key, academy and skyreach are more of a slayer key for example

but you could play what you want if youre not top 1% or whatever

[pulsar frost]

Both is fine for all keys. Slayer is just better st and consistent

And easier

[dire hinge]

someone else already got the answer for you, but just for transparency it's that pesky 11 in the bottom left of your screenshot in the dropdown thats causing it. Zero idea why, very annoying

been around since Beta, reported it, but alas

[pale mantle]

and lottery based

[pearl shore]

is it worth to delay CS for one gcd in aoe if cleave is ready to profit from the cd reset?

[pulsar frost]

Both are

Colo same rng with stacks for crits

[sour compass]

how much of a loss is slayer in aoe terms? and why would u consider it easier?

[pearl shore]

and how come the sim doesn't play the aoe opener from wowhead?

the colossus m+ build is even using cleave in ST

the sim's doing wild stuff that the guide doesn't cover

[pulsar frost]

Aoe is somewhat alot less. But its easier in pugs since you don't have to rely on the tank. Its proc based for SD tho but overall its a lot easier tocplay

[rose matrix]

I would agree in ST you are rolling the dice with both hero talents but Colossus aoe feels pretty consistent even with crit rng

[pulsar frost]

If all your ms with sweeping crits thats 4 stacks or 20 secs of cdr

[rose matrix]

I know how it works

But it doesn't feel as bad as not getting any SD procs which happens a lot

[pulsar frost]

So its really nice if you rng it

[rose matrix]

You get so much cdr in aoe on Colossus you barely notice it

[pulsar frost]

My main complaint is just ragw

Bring back op rage gen pls

[pulsar frost]

Nah you'd notice it alot

Could get a lot more demo uses

In a single pull if you're really crit lucky

[rose matrix]

Yeah but it's not like slayer

Where if you're not getting any procs it's low-key dog shit

[pulsar frost]

Cleave ms. Op. If op resets ms. Click again if you crit both ms with sweeping thats 9 stacks total already

1 more cleave then demo and repeat

[rose matrix]

I can pretty consistently get 2 demos for every csmadh

Cs

[pulsar frost]

2 is easy. Can get 3 if lucky. 4 if super lucky

But if every ms crited. Its very easy to hit 3 maybe 4 every smash pull

[rose matrix]

Obviously but that doesn't happen really and you still pump without getting 3-4

[pulsar frost]

I mean yes im agreeing with you. But im just saying youll feel it with eng

Seeing demo cdr 20 times very often is fun dopamine imo

[rose matrix]

I like it as well. I just feel like in aoe with Colossus I'm never complaining about rng whereas on Slayer I am

Also throw the double rng on bs in there

[twin hazel]

Anyone using light company trinket?

[rose matrix]

I think most are running Heart and Gaze

But I hear Light Company can be decent with Colossus

[pale mantle]

bad slayer rng = no damage
bad colossus rng = still good damage

thats about it

aoe at least

[hybrid needle]

For ST
Bad slayer RNG = Still some damage
Bad colossus rng = the healmonk is about to catch up
Careful: slight exaggeration will trigger ppl

[nova marsh]

Bad rng= no damage

that's it

[outer holly]

Tbf you're in the spec sub forum of a class discord for a video game

Ye be sailing some autistic seas, me harty

[nova marsh]

You're in the wrong discord to be a pirate

Ravenholdt is just down the hall to the left

[outer holly]

They told me my muscles were too big and sent me here

Apparently dual wielding rogues will get you kicked out of there

[nova marsh]

Your muscles are never too big to pick up a gun

I don't think that's how this works

[hybrid needle]

Ravenholdt sounds poo

[outer holly]

I'm like that orc who spent all their points on str and intimidation and just scared anyone who saw him into pretending they didnt

[hybrid needle]

Stop spoilering my bg3 runs to the world

[dire hinge]

reminds me of a D&D rogue a played that specced heavily into Charisma/Persuasion and never actually stealthed anywhere, he would just convince people he was supposed to be there (like Hitman, basically)

[fresh spire]

[soft parrot]

if y'all got an aug, it's prob better to go slayer in m+ for the single target right?

i feel like bnosses would take forever otherwise

[rose matrix]

Whether or not you go Slayer or Colossus is pretty dependent on the dungeon and how it's being pulled

AA and SR are pretty much Slayer

The rest are probably Colossus but for MT and NPX slayer would work too

[tranquil swift]

Collosas might, do we send demolish only when it’s at 10? Or is it above 5? I notice sometimes obviously beginning of pull you got to build it up

[shut token]

Guys I have a question. When I look at Murlok.io I can see that some arms slayer warriors don´t take cleave but never any arms colossus not taking cleave. Is it possible to play a slayer build without cleave and do decent?

[tulip breach]

does this look correct for alg no skyfury ?

i swear to god i hate playing this build

[wintry scroll]

why is ms so high

[tulip breach]

it's because i took agro and died on the first pull

and boss damage wasn't great for the group

[wintry scroll]

doesn't explain why would ms be high

[tulip breach]

it kinda does because it skews my single target damage much higher for the run

[wintry scroll]

even in ST execute is higher

[tulip breach]

for non skyfury?

[wintry scroll]

it's either top 1 or top 2

u never press MS

[tulip breach]

wym dog are you familiar with this rotation?

[wintry scroll]

for 35% and less hp

[tulip breach]

i'm running tactician

[wintry scroll]

idk then are u playing slyaer ?

[cold cargo]

On slayer u pretty much spam exec

[granite stone]

Stupid question but we're supposed to be average on DPS charts in Raids until we get in Execute range? As in I seem to fly up the charts towards the ends, thats normal?

[cold cargo]

Should either be 1. or 2nd dmg in ST

[tulip breach]

once again, in the non skyfury build

[wintry scroll]

skyfury is a shaman buff

wtf are u talking about

what fuckass skyfury build

[tulip breach]

yeah we run a different build if we don't have it

[wintry scroll]

no

who told u that

[cold cargo]

just copy

critcakr slarms

[cold cargo]

And dont worry bout it

[wintry scroll]

i run this all the time

in 18 and 19

and i'm always top dmmg

or neck to neck with first

Zeno show me ur build pls

[tulip breach]

#arms message

this build has been floating around here i'm surprised you haven't seen it

[wintry scroll]

i see that's brand new info

[thick kelp]

Almost a month old at this point

basically outdated

[wintry scroll]

is it still valid ?

[tulip breach]

A month old? OK what's the verdict then

[cold cargo]

yea no u dont go this anymore

This was pre Slayer changes no?

[tulip breach]

What changed?

[thick kelp]

yeah its still valid

im just joking

cuz yall a silly bunch

nothing matters on this spc

I play colossus in my pugs and do top dam everykey

[cold cargo]

We play much more around execute now thats why we go critical thinking

[tulip breach]

I hate playing with it cause we can't even track tactical edge

[tulip breach]

I would but it's alg

[soft parrot]

it's crazy how colossus goes from tank damage to top damage in bosses with the inclusion of one extra target to cleave off of lmao

[thick kelp]

I can send you the addon for it

[tulip breach]

Is it the one nevdok made?

Cause I couldn't get that to work

[thick kelp]

its

abit reworked

by cone

[tulip breach]

Send away then

But either way i still dislike the build

[thick kelp]

same

too many procs

to handle

i just play colossus and do top dam

[tulip breach]

You play col in alg?

[thick kelp]

Everywhere

I change my talents based on vibe

I dont do keys high enough

where dps matters

[tulip breach]

It doesn't grief the group's boss damage?

[thick kelp]

if you compare it to the top 10 players of any other spec, yes
if you compare to average joe, no

[pulsar frost]

2 extra mobs and we cant be topped

XD

[minor gust]

If the key ain't high enough for the boss dmg to matter then it ain't griefing

[soft parrot]

2nd boss of seat legit makes me feel like a god

[tulip breach]

how high is that

[pulsar frost]

I mean we're suppose to be good on 2 and 3 target bosses

So it tracks

[minor gust]

21+

[pulsar frost]

Arms the 3 and 3 target king. Suppose to be decent in 1 target but shrug

[tulip breach]

you say that but on something like 2nd boss alg pugs start getting desperate at the end

[pulsar frost]

Second boss shouldn't be an issue eespically eith damage amp

[tulip breach]

and yet people start dipping

[pulsar frost]

What key levels are you doing

Had some keys where everyone did 60k in a 17 and it was fine

16 as well but on different spec

[minor gust]

Obviously player skill matters more but if it's a group of ppl who know how to deal dmg then you will breeze through on any spec till 21+

[pulsar frost]

Do very good aoe damage so trash packs die. So you can get to bosses quickly is also very good

The extra minutes on bosses isnt an issue if you're just taking your sweet time in aoe packs hence why colo is still fine doing tank dps

Also judt bring 2 other specs that do good st and youll be fine

[tulip breach]

for instance i just came off a 16 alg where, while i was fine for sustain, the frost mage was struggling to stay topped up

[pulsar frost]

Topped up is a healer and defensive issue not dps tho

[tulip breach]

sometimes we don't have the luxury of choice

[tulip breach]

whoever's issue it is, the fact remains the it's a group issue and the boss has to die before the dps die

[pulsar frost]

I mean the higher you go generally pug leaders would pick and form group bass on comp id imagine

[pulsar frost]

I mean generally yes. But you havw to look at other things. Are the dps popping defensives. Or can the healer genuinely not keep the fps topped etc

There's more then just dps the boss down

Skyreach for example sure you can dps the one mob thst does beams. But if you get two beams on you and dont pop defensives plus a healer healing you. You're gonna die before dps goes out to the mob lol

[tulip breach]

afaik everyone is always rotating defensives on every beam on that boss and you're kinda screwed if you have absolutely nothing for it

[terse osprey]

Anyone know of any good or needed macros to make my rotation a little more simple or managable?

i have one where ive got SS and Avatar together

that i use on groups of enemies usually

idk if thats good or not lol

[pulsar frost]

That sounds not it chief

[rare kite]

only thing is single button stance swapping. rest of macros are detrimental

[tulip breach]

cs already gives you ss

you don't wanna waste the ss cd

[minor gust]

SS and avatar together is crazy

[random trout]

watch that nasty ass fucking mouth in here

[terse osprey]

Gotcha

[random trout]

unacceptable

[terse osprey]

Where can i find that one? lol

[tulip breach]

actually i could use that one as well

[terse osprey]

ty

[tulip breach]

heroic strike override is some labor saving ass tech lol

[minor gust]

Doesn't really do anything but some people like it for whatever reason

[terse osprey]

its like one less button to hit technically

[minor gust]

Not really because you still need to bind and press slam

[terse osprey]

Oh yea good point

[terse osprey]

bind the other 2 or just slam?

just trying to fully understand

Im a little slow lol

[minor gust]

What other two?

[terse osprey]

oh i thought you meant bind MS with HS or bind slam

[minor gust]

You can use the MS HS macro if you want but it's not saving you any keybinds so if that's your goal then probably not

[dire hinge]

it's also buggy, sometimes [known: Heroic Strike] randomly stops working, even if you have the proc.
When this happens, you lose your ability to Mortal Strike with that macro, so you can hose yourself.
I would not recommend it

[minor gust]

If you want my suggestion add more keybinds and start building muscle memory

Instead of trying to macro a bunch of random shit together

Only keybinding saving macros you can use as arms is charge + melee ability and stance swap macro

[sacred zodiac]

dunno if id listen to this guy his highest timed key is a +8

[minor gust]

[wintry scroll]

guys is the top 1% mount for global 1% or regional 1%

[dire hinge]

pretty sure it's regional like Title

yeah

[wintry scroll]

what are your guys's guesses as to where it's gonna stagger, 3800 by the end of the season

or it might be more ?

[pearl shore]

can you cancel demolish and move?

[ripe field]

/cancelaura Demolish

[wintry scroll]

it actually exists

[blissful tinsel]

It’s already 3750 will be way higher imo

[left shard]

how does crit peak 700 k in academy

i swear to god no matter what i do im not above 500

always belove

[wind flicker]

Farzo try analyzing your movement

And what direction ur looking when using attacks

[left shard]

that does matter too?

direction?

really?

[wind flicker]

Also tank movement can make a lot of difference

Yes it does

Overpower sends a shockwave in a sort of cone shape behind the target ur hitting for aoe dmg

As example

Or your cleave might not hit properly

[stable fiber]

lmao they just keep buffing arms

this is too funny

[safe tundra]

colo keep getting better and better lmao

[rare blade]

thane and colo buffs

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-patrick-star-peak-cinema-absolute-cinema-gif-2419960068189387292

[tepid yew]

yeeeeeeees

[storm canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-jam-stonks-stonk-jam-head-shot-hans-gif-21157324

[tepid yew]

https://tenor.com/view/the-chosen-os-escolhidos-los-elegidos-jonathan-roumie-jesus-the-chosen-gif-1127020769398794637

[tender pasture]

someone smart and quick how much % in st for colossus?

[safe tundra]

more than right now

youre welcome

[stable fiber]

its not that big

but i will always take st buffs

[hasty pumice]

funnel gets buffed, boss ST goes up by a good amount

its huge

[umbral badger]

that does not look to me more than 3% even, not even 2%

[halcyon valve]

Hell yeah arms buff

[hasty pumice]

buffing on a high point is scary

100% not needed buff

[umbral badger]

at least not for a ST non-funnel scenario

[stable fiber]

its more then 3

%

[formal ember]

indirect funnel buf because of slam

[stable fiber]

atleast w/o funnel and just pure st

[hasty pumice]

yeah funnel became stronger cause slam got stronger

FoB business

[umbral badger]

dunno on pure ST build and fight "no funnel" our mortal strike and slam shouldn't do more tha 35% to 40% of our damage at the 15% practiced strike point, moving it 25% is not straight p 10% dmg buff.

so maybe 3%

but yes if we count funnel and m+ builds it is higher than 3%

[formal ember]

i might go back to more colossus than slayer

[wind flicker]

I would kindly ask you to not be saying those things before they catch wind

[formal ember]

xD

[hasty pumice]

any non DH / DK comp

has to play around arms pretty much

[wind flicker]

true

[hasty pumice]

so yeah 100% not needed buff

we were already very strong

[wind flicker]

the problem is

[stable fiber]

its around ~3k-3.5k buff

ill take it

[candid pecan]

HOLY fervor HS

OKAAAY

[umbral badger]

i just want colossus to be ST raid viable, i don't care about it's performance in M+ anymore

[stable fiber]

WITH MY PAPER MATH

[wind flicker]

I think its more than that

If i had to guess

[stable fiber]

its big on funnel

the 10% slam owns

but like pure st its that number

[umbral badger]

all i can say if we are talking pure patchwerk ST in ST build , there is no way it's much more than 3% if even

[wind flicker]

The ST on funnel goes up substantially

Because its a multiplier

[umbral badger]

in m+ build then sure

[wind flicker]

Slam is already enhanced on fob

And now gets buffed on top of that by more

[stable fiber]

i can check a 3t sim

[hasty pumice]

in M+

with funnel

[stable fiber]

yes

[wind flicker]

And ur fillers with ms are stronger too

[hasty pumice]

your boss prio damage is 115-140k DPS

[mortal crag]

Mc21 with 5min left

Poggies

[wind flicker]

I wouldnt be surprised if this buff ends up buffing us above 10k in funnel

[mortal crag]

Hi jeffyntes

:3

[umbral badger]

i just would have prefered if they did a bigger buff but for deepwounds for example so that colossus warrior ACTUAL ST non-funnel build is stronger

[hasty pumice]

thats a bit far fetched

I say ~5k

still great

[mortal crag]

Jeff should I make YouTube content from my keys recordings

[wind flicker]

Heya ragish

[hasty pumice]

also

[wind flicker]

Depends if you have proper funnel yes or no

[mortal crag]

I got the mt22, Sr21 and mc21 recordings

[wind flicker]

I think it could

[hasty pumice]

might push execute phase rota for m+ slayer spec

[wind flicker]

maybe slightly below

[hasty pumice]

to 2x EP -> MS again

no?

[umbral badger]

yes, people are coping hard imo :p

[hasty pumice]

bro zarakie

[wind flicker]

Yeah why not go for it ^^

[mortal crag]

How?

[hasty pumice]

its not a cope when a strong spec gets buffed

[mortal crag]

It's a colossus buff

Not a slayer buff

[hasty pumice]

oh wait

[smoky kayak]

about 3.5% in single target

[mortal crag]

It's pracrcieds trikes

[hasty pumice]

is that ONLY slayer?

[mortal crag]

Strikes

Yeah it's ONLY Colo buff

It's the hero talent

Practiced strikes

[hasty pumice]

bruh well thats 100% good bye to slayer for everything outside of academy and SR

[wind flicker]

Is that PURE st though?

[umbral badger]

it is about the fact that we can't say it is % buff for our peak situation which is not the common situation. funneling for an entire fight is not that common of a thing.

[silent saddle]

can we get out of gargoyle grip in Pit of Saron as Colossus?

[mortal crag]

No

U can meld it

[silent saddle]

dang

[hasty pumice]

its common in 22 / 23s

[silent saddle]

I guess you can Wrecking Throw the shield

[hasty pumice]

your routes change to

[silent saddle]

which is good

[stable fiber]

on 3t its like 8k-9k, id imagine thats like 4.5k on main target when your already doing 140k to main target

[hasty pumice]

funnel + delayed funnel on bosses

[stable fiber]

that fucking owns

[mortal crag]

TIME TO COLO

[wind flicker]

Pretty close to my 10k estimate @hasty pumice

[hasty pumice]

if you play properly you get two sets of funnel for most bosses as arms

[mortal crag]

SORRY PALADINS

[wind flicker]

But yeah not all goes into main target so fair is fair

[tranquil swift]

Hey Larp! Can you explain to a newbie why this is big on funnel? I’m new haha

[umbral badger]

as i said i am just saying if we "average out" the situations, funneling is not the most common even on higher keys but my point is i was waiting for weeks hoping they give us a leeway in actual ST-non funnel fights.

[hasty pumice]

dont play with shit tanks gg

[umbral badger]

but at least mortal strikes doing more dmg is also fun for aoe

[stable fiber]

its indirectly a buff to the fervor of battle talent, when you cleave it casts a slam, and that slam is getting buffed by 10% now

so it makes our funnel dps stronger

[tranquil swift]

Oh wow so just by clicking cleave in aoe is a buff essentially

[hasty pumice]

yes

[mortal crag]

Yep

Colo basically king now

[stable fiber]

(by about 4.5k dps with my shit paper math)

[hasty pumice]

prio damage goes up, funnel goes up

[mortal crag]

You can play Colo in aa too I think

[umbral badger]

sadly this is not even close to enough to make colossus viable in a raid ST scenario but then again we are almost done wiht the raid so who cares :p

[stable fiber]

so we do like 145k funnel dps lmao

[wintry scroll]

It’s all about mob stacking

[hasty pumice]

how many times will you bring that up lol

[tranquil swift]

So colo could be playable now in all dungeons?

[mortal crag]

Now with the mortal strike buff, maybe with st Colo talents u can do pretty well

[stable fiber]

its been twice

since people asked

[tranquil swift]

I’m guessing this is a Tuesday patch?

[wintry scroll]

It is alreadh if u pull adds on boss

[stable fiber]

yes

[mortal crag]

Colo guaranteed play for all keys, only exception might be sr/aa.

[wintry scroll]

Now it’s gonna be even better

[mortal crag]

You can still Colo there if u really like it

[umbral badger]

that'[s what i was trying to say for hte last 10 mins, this buff does not make a pure ST colossus any more viable xd

[stable fiber]

just play w/e

[mortal crag]

U can send st talents on them

[umbral badger]

i am fairly certain

[stable fiber]

colo st isnt even that ass

and certainly not anymore

[mortal crag]

Huh why

[hard rock]

Colo is ass tbh

[umbral badger]

if you hate slayer and you have to play it in raids cuz colossus is not even close to the requirement for a guild progression, that's why.

[mortal crag]

St Colo talents give u like 3% st for like a 4% AOE loss iirc

[stable fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/random-kid-ishowspeed-gif-10501213828814986159

[mortal crag]

Oh u mean in raid

[umbral badger]

yes i am so tired of slayer in raid

[tranquil swift]

Will our talent tree be the same or will something change

[stable fiber]

no change

although

[umbral badger]

i hate the BS cd randomness so much it triggers me

[mortal crag]

https://tenor.com/view/he-made-a-statement-statement-dog-clowned-trash-opinion-your-opinion-gif-15033044919438935088

[hard rock]

Too clunky

[umbral badger]

so i was hoping they might give us a chance to ST in raid as colossus for once xd

[mortal crag]

It really isn't this season

Colo this season is so smooth

S2 Colo was legitimate unplayable

He'll

[stable fiber]

i think you play the slam talent in the warrior tree guaranteed now as colossus (i think everyone was anyways)

[mortal crag]

Hell

[tranquil swift]

Is it Tuesday yet? 😈

I’ll be waiting to steal someone’s talent tree com Tuesday

I think I am let me see

[stable fiber]

oh that talent buffs cleave anyways

im stupid

[random trout]

it is ass, dunno how yall like that horrid ass Demolish game play

shits terrible

[hard rock]

They don’t they just pretend cuz numbers

[tranquil swift]

Idk where to look lol

[stable fiber]

colossus really isnt that bad idk

i still like slayer more

[umbral badger]

many people don't mind demo gameplay, and if anything i would take demo over BS every day

[ionic mica]

Colo and slayer have the same thing, a cd that you can't do anything during

Up to you if you dislike one more than the other

[stable fiber]

i would 100% take demo over bs

[smoky kayak]

it's not bad at all, like it couldn't be further from bad lol

[compact orchid]

Cold take

[random trout]

you can move out of mechancs while bladestorming what are we talking about

[ionic mica]

Just leap/plan better

[stable fiber]

so can demolish

[ionic mica]

Demo isn't even that long

[hazy flower]

Its not long cuh

[smoky kayak]

Demo is shorter than Bladestorm fwiw

[ionic mica]

Just a long global to do big bonk

[hazy flower]

Plan 1 second ahead

[stable fiber]

you can jump before demolish too move and the cast finishes before you even land, you can also leap during demolish

[hard rock]

what concept is that

[random trout]

legt coping its a horribly designed skill, i could careless about preference

[smoky kayak]

you can leap, intervene, charge during Demo

[stable fiber]

its not even preference

you can literally still move during demolish

[smoky kayak]

skill is fine, it's ok to not like it though

[random trout]

but to each their own

[umbral badger]

many ppl love demolish, to each his own at the end of hte day.

[smoky kayak]

but calling anything you don't like "horribly designed" is kind of questionable

[hard rock]

So is glazing it like it’s omega

[wind flicker]

My avarage pug experience is horrible designed

🙂

[umbral badger]

i agree on that, that being said, BS cd reduction mechanic design does suck 😄

[ionic mica]

Now would I prefer it was like Primordial Storm for enhancement, sure. But demolish is also cool

[rare kite]

demolish is fine after they fixed all its issues. range used to be pretty bad and it got cancelled pretty easily before but now it's not bad

[hard rock]

True

[random trout]

I mean i've heard plenty of people say that, its not like im just talking shit about it haha

I've heard Crit say it, pretty sure Biz as well

[umbral badger]

yes that was the one big issue for demolish, if your tank took one step away you're cooked.

[stable fiber]

both buttons suck to push

[smoky kayak]

well if popular internet personality said it, it must be true!

[stable fiber]

wcyd

[random trout]

is a pigs pussy still pork?

[smoky kayak]

my point was that there's room to have preference without lambasting anything you don't like personally

[random trout]

it is what it is brotha.

[umbral badger]

arch, so how far behind is colossus now in Pure ST scenario build ?

[random trout]

again, just my personal opinion. I've always felt it just feels terrible to play

[smoky kayak]

people act like it's a personal affront if they can't move for 2 seconds

[stable fiber]

like 20k probably

[hasty pumice]

how dare you suggest otherwise

[stable fiber]

im not arch nvm

[minor gust]

Gg Colo buffs

[tranquil swift]

Is it Tuesday yet I mean wtf!

[minor gust]

Smh

[umbral badger]

what's funny about that is, some casters can't move half their lives "or at least used to be the case" and we here find ppl complain about 1 cast every 45 seconds.

[smoky kayak]

which is hilarious seeing as its an almost identical copy of Fyr'alath, which is in turn practically identical to Draught of Souls, which was wildly praised and is still talked about today

[ionic mica]

Devourers out here glued to the floor for eye beams and stars and we are mad about demolish

[tranquil swift]

I’m paying big gold for arms coaching please reach out if you crank 😊😂😂

[random trout]

lol Arch u act like the entire spec is not revolved around having adds funelled into a boss to do dmg 😂 . To the point people are shouting "DONT PLAY IF IN PUG" is absurd.

[smoky kayak]

it's... not?

[rare kite]

over for slayer. prob still the play in AA but people have found ways to play col in skyreach

[stable fiber]

^^^^^

this btw

[smoky kayak]

Colossus is insanely strong in M+ even if you don't funnel into bosses

[ionic mica]

I wish you could shift in star

[stable fiber]

DDH is insanely hard to play right cause of those reasons

xdd

[umbral badger]

@smoky kayak do we have sims of what's CS st is like in ST build vs slayer ? out of curiousity ?

[mortal crag]

I hate dying to it once a while but it's really not as horrible as it used to be

[compact orchid]

That’s not true

[hasty pumice]

its not dev DH so its shit? smh

[minor gust]

Only 3.5% it ain't over but nice lil buff for Colo. Still gonna play slayer

[mortal crag]

Theres way worse variations of it

[elder zealot]

Yeah, even if you do low boss damage, the overall on Colossus will more than make up for it

[smoky kayak]

again, I feel like some of you guys have absolutely zero sense of nuance

• Colossus ST is bad
• Colossus ST is much better with funnel
• Colossus MT is insanely strong regardless
  All three of these things can be simultaneously true

[minor gust]

If you ain't first your last

[ionic mica]

It's very simple until you need to think about where to stand

[mortal crag]

FROZEN BOZO!! BTW

BOZO!

[ionic mica]

All timing and positioning

[stable fiber]

have you played it, if you have 1 star cast canceled you literally lose +50k dps in that meta

[minor gust]

Hi Ragish

[hasty pumice]

colossus ST or rather sustained prio is crazy high but people judge it based off of +12-15 keys where funnel doesnt exist

gg

[smoky kayak]

Trying to claim that Colossus is only good if you funnel bosses might actually be the most "cope" thing I've seen all day

[elder zealot]

I guess we don't do nuance here, Archim :/

[smoky kayak]

followed very closely by "you can't play Colossus in pugs" like lol what?

[elder zealot]

I think when people see Colossus is below the other 2 DPS on a boss, they deem it unplayable 🤷🏼‍♂️

[umbral badger]

well, it was more like people talking about this buff as if funneling is the only scenario that exists :p

i want actual ST

[compact orchid]

OFC I played it, it’s not rly hard tbh, moving as demo warlock during the dominion window is the same shit, you just need to anticipate

[mortal crag]

Ur locked for 4s where u cant do anything but defensives/kick/storm bolt

[smoky kayak]

yeah kinda goes back to my point about people having no sense of nuance

one track minds that can't see anything else beyond

[umbral badger]

yea

[ionic mica]

People act like pug tanks have chat disabled and can't be asked to funnel bosses, and that pug tanks actively trolling them by running away mid demolish

[mortal crag]

U can't potion, u can't Shockwave, u can't leap, u can't meld

[somber wave]

it's way way better with funnel on bosses

[vapid goblet]

colo in maisara is giga

[smoky kayak]

Sure, but nobody said otherwise

[ionic mica]

Even if you pure ST every boss Colo is still solid

[smoky kayak]

the claim was that Colossus was bad without funnel

[vapid goblet]

just play slayer arms in places like skyreach and academy

[smoky kayak]

which is insanely not true

[tranquil swift]

I think col is now viable in aa

[umbral badger]

and i as a colossus fan can only see pure ST 😄 i am bored of m+ anyway so might as well give me a chance to raid as colossus a bit lol

[tranquil swift]

With the buffs

[smoky kayak]

even if you don't funnel bosses at all, Colossus is still overall stronger than Slayer in higher pull count dungeons by the way; just not in boss dam

[vapid goblet]

how big is the buff even

% wise for ST

[somber wave]

for me slayer is just way more fun, but colossus is chill

[hasty pumice]

also cant forget that 2T colossus is already

[mortal crag]

Like 4%?

[tranquil swift]

Tell em arch tell em!!!

[minor gust]

It's part of my slayer propaganda to say that

[hasty pumice]

insane

for like WS / MC bosses

[mortal crag]

2t Colo is big ye

[grave mulch]

chat going off today!

[rare kite]

ofcourse it is. it's the best m+ spec in the game with funnel basically. but just col aoe is nuts

[mortal crag]

2t Colo might be better than 2t slayer now

[smoky kayak]

that's completely fine, and it's exactly why having two competitive options is a good thing

[ionic mica]

Bozo killer of colo

[somber wave]

yea I am really enjoying warrior this season

[umbral badger]

to be fair though, even in lower pull count dungeons this buff is still very good for those people fixating on one dimension, mortal strike +sweeping dmg split becomes bigger the lower the count after all

[random trout]

😂

[stable fiber]

the rotation is simple, but 1 star canceled (its the longest cast in the game) hurts the spec a insane amount, the skill isnt really in the rotation, its just knowing when you can cast

[umbral badger]

so yea colossus went from better overall to better overall in m+ 😄

[smoky kayak]

of course it is, arguably it's even better in lower count dungs

[compact orchid]

I main warlock so for me it’s the most normal thing to do, and no the longest cast is soul fire

[umbral badger]

now, who has enough money to pay blizzard to buff us for actual RAID ST

[mortal crag]

Colo st is dogshit
Yes

Colo mt is insane
Yes

No funnel?
Just play with high st specs

[somber wave]

but I assume with these changes slayer falls further behind

but w/e

[mortal crag]

In what content?

High keys? People already play Colo there

[somber wave]

m+, the only content

[smoky kayak]

or just play the higher total throughput spec because overall damage is the only thing that matters anyway

[mortal crag]

Yes and no

[compact orchid]

Marksman hunt is worst than ddh too btw @stable fiber

[mortal crag]

I mean, if u need damage ur probs doing keys high enough where ur tank funnels for u

And if ur not, the funnel probably doesn't matter

Eta gg

U don't need funnel to time 18s

So play Colo and pump either way

[smoky kayak]

unless you're failing to hit some important breakpoint on boss timing, which only really exists in very specific push scenarios, overall dam is the only thing that really matters in M+

[ionic mica]

The difference for other spells is that star goes on cd if you move xD and that impacts the rest of the meta

[mortal crag]

Agree to disagree

[ionic mica]

You can't just recast

[midnight mural]

@mortal crag thoughts on the amount of spellreflect damage on last boss of skyreach 21?

[smoky kayak]

well you didn't present any reasoning, so you're just saying no

[mortal crag]

Haven't tried it yet at all

But I heard it's giant

[untold trench]

[mortal crag]

EW FURY EW

EWWWWW

[midnight mural]

look

[random trout]

go head and take the reduced dmg beyond 8 targets in bladestorm and make us slayer players happy bliz

[midnight mural]

at the damage bro

[mortal crag]

Ye i gotta send it

[midnight mural]

:DDD

[hasty pumice]

dw in +22 its 36k+ dps

[mortal crag]

Cuz it's 1am and I cba writing paragraphs, I'm also allowed to just agree to disagree no?

[midnight mural]

get ready tho... ppl will kick it 😄

[hasty pumice]

i wanna see the dps in 23

[compact orchid]

Canceling a soulfire during mayhem window is worse than building a new meta in aoe (3 beam and u got it)

[mortal crag]

I think it's polite

[midnight mural]

sheeeeeeeeeet

[mortal crag]

Not if I yell at them

[umbral badger]

like one example of how one dimensional people are is i saw people discussing how "never use cleave again now" in pure ST. and i am like "if you hve ravager ready, no trash coming up after boss/last boss and boss is under 35%, why not just hit a few cleaves?"

it's literally still good

so there are factors why ppl do less ST than they should too

[mortal crag]

Cleave in st is damage loss even with rava

[midnight mural]

pug W route with ZEROOOOO funnel on bosses = fury is the play 100% instead of slarms

[mortal crag]

Me when im wrong

[smoky kayak]

Colossus & Thane are already ahead of Slayer in M+, so these changes would push them ever so slightly further ahead, yes

though not to a degree that it really matters; again we're talking about a couple % here. It seems to me like the point of these changes it to affect better competition between Warriors vs other classes rather than specifically within Arms' or Fury's hero talent choices

[mortal crag]

Fury has ZERO prio compared to slarms and slarms st is almost the same as fury

[rare kite]

idk with the thane buff i think i might agree with scandik here

[mortal crag]

Plus there are more boss fights where slarms benefits than fury

[mortal crag]

Thane buff isn't live yet

BUFFOON! BEGONE!

[rare kite]

i am aware

[umbral badger]

i use 4 cleaves under 35% with ravager and they do 7% of my dmg at 85k pure ST fight. i don't see how is that dps loss personally.

[somber wave]

yea but colossus st feels so bad to play, execute feels much smoother in a rotation

colossus design is falling behind while staying ahead in dmg

[smoky kayak]

well feel is a matter of opinion, but doesn't change the numbers

[random trout]

it's okay, u just have to funnel for your ST bruh

[ionic mica]

They could be slams, and that ravager could be in the pack after the boss for real cleaves?

[smoky kayak]

personally I like Colossus ST now that it's not as concerned with juggling Execute

[mortal crag]

Okay, do the same thing and hit mortal strikes and overpowers there instead?

[somber wave]

doesn't make it more fun not pressing execute

[random trout]

https://tenor.com/view/i-get-it-snoop-dogg-red-table-talk-i-understand-i-know-gif-16483599

[umbral badger]

that's not how it works, yo uare replacing slams not mortals