arms

[slow saddle]

I mean i do like dragons

[steel furnace]

if you played ranged ur more than likely going to be the one to be assigned mechanics

[slow saddle]

And paladins

[steel furnace]

so we have some shit but they have theres

[nova marsh]

"Oh look I get assigned a mechanic I don't even have to loose DPS for"

[slow saddle]

Paladins a pretty goated fight for council

[hybrid needle]

This

[nova marsh]

Which is why you get assigned mechs anyways

who cares about extra responsibility when half the time it literally could not matter less

[hybrid needle]

Range is like..
"Move 3 steps or press your movement ability"
Meanwhile melee
"Dont stand here dont stand there and OH one step too far sorry no dmg"

[nova marsh]

And like

[latent moss]

@minor gust

[nova marsh]

I don't even feel like the melee dance and greeding is worth it this tier

[latent moss]

i tried to like

anchor it to the cdm

but

im not proficient enough at ts

[hybrid needle]

Ive played with a BM who swapped to SV when ranged hunt wasnt good
Dude was struggling so bad he started crying

[minor gust]

yeah homie sent it to me havent tried it yet

[latent moss]

ngl im struggling with ddh

to cast

[rare kite]

it's not. i tried it several times

[latent moss]

melee brained

[rare kite]

just cba

[balmy kindle]

Playing BM makes one bad

[hybrid needle]

I still have no idea how ddh works, ngl

[latent moss]

u can move while ure doing 0 dmg

the moemnt u meta

u need to stand still for like

6 seconds

not easy to preposition ngl

[nova marsh]

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Blizz pulls a 14 next tier and evrey hitbox is the whole arena

[latent moss]

but im also melee brained

never played ranged before outsid eof fire mage but back when i played fire mage

the only hard cast

was pyroblast with the thingy proc

[rare kite]

i played spriest in nathria. was payphoning the entire time

[latent moss]

that made pyro do infinite dmg

[mystic summit]

they can make melee as punishing as they want im still gonna play it

[hybrid needle]

I played lock once. Man, this was boring. Even if you had to move dor whatever reason, half your rotation is insta casts anyways so u just dont care

[mystic summit]

wont be caught dead on a ranged spec

[nova marsh]

I mean I agree

that dosen't mean I won't bitch

[hybrid needle]

Well obviously Melees are alphachads, and warriors are their leaders

[nova marsh]

I mean I never enjoyed ranged classes mostly because they just aren't fun gameplay wise

They feel kinda braindead

[mystic summit]

they are for cowards

[hybrid needle]

Then comes casters
And somewhere down the hole where respect doesnt exist anymore there is hunts and pals

[balmy kindle]

hey MM hunter was cool though

When you get bored in PvE you can always go torment folks in BGs before

[mystic summit]

no u have to get kited by a frost mage like a man

[hybrid needle]

Frostmage?
Have you ever tried to chase any evoker ?

[balmy kindle]

Kek dragons are busted

[mystic summit]

ya always seemed to be evoker and mw on other team ctf when i played blitz

and id get double priest

[hybrid needle]

Im an absolute pvp noob tho so i cant really speak

I got my elite in Blitz and called it for this season, its just not enjoyable idk

[mystic summit]

wow pvp is like the wnba

[nova marsh]

I CBA to pvp

Also the pvp community looks like 20x more toxic then M+

Which should be a feat only accomplishable by league players

[pulsar frost]

MoP arms was goated

[hybrid needle]

Pvp was good back in cata when healers couldnt top people with 1 spell and u werent killed in 1 global

[pulsar frost]

my most fun ive had in pvp

[balmy kindle]

Current PvP is still worth for transmog

[hybrid needle]

Current pvp is just Binary healthbars all over the place

[balmy kindle]

But getting 2000 ? Sorry my sanity matters more

[mystic summit]

ya i get 1800 if i like the mog then dont play it again

[hybrid needle]

Get 2.3k like a real man

[balmy kindle]

Granted with how inflated the MMR is for SS and warriors being strong it's doable

[mystic summit]

queue times are also terrible as dps

[hybrid needle]

Oh 100%

As i said im a noob took me 90rbg to hit elite or something

Its free really

[balmy kindle]

Much prefer shuffle or arena though, BGs always feel one sided

[hybrid needle]

Shuffle? Are you insane ?

[mystic summit]

blitz is either really fun or you wanna tear ur hair out

[hybrid needle]

Shuffle consits of 2 preservation evokers, a ddh, a hunter, a frostmage and a rogue

And then there is you

[balmy kindle]

Yeah if you get frost mage against you it's very insane

[hybrid needle]

Might aswell afk

[balmy kindle]

But there's dks too in shuffle

Good time to smash them

[latent moss]

pvp: charge

all cds

[hybrid needle]

And then they Pop cds and you die in 2s

[latent moss]

kill or be killed

[hybrid needle]

Grest

[latent moss]

idk i always destroyed dks

[hybrid needle]

PvP is more PvE than PvE

[latent moss]

i just kinda kill them idk

[mystic summit]

but have u had 2 dks gripping your fc on repeat while the other team has an evoker flying across the map with the flag

[latent moss]

no but i had 2 warriors with spear in shadowlands

(me and a friend)

drop 2 spears and yoyo them

[hybrid needle]

I wish spear would work

That ability is a joke

If the ground is uneven spear just flies into the void, and if there is ANY movement ability uses on them they just walk out of ir

Spear basically is just an extra leap with a bigger cooldown. IF it works

[pulsar frost]

whyt is tomorrows shit 4 hours long smh

[balmy kindle]

CBA with bGs it's always a ranged fiesta

I still have fond memories of abusing double tap rapid fire

[hybrid needle]

The issue isnt the range Fiesta. Its the sheer ammount of CC that classes have these days and the fact that DR got reduced from 18s to 16s

[balmy kindle]

True but even in the past it kinda do be that way though

[deft tiger]

am rage starve as single target i have too much haste is that bad (please dont say sim ) the guide said always be casting i spam slam when ms off cd when its back i dont have rage

[latent moss]

how do u know u have too much haste without simming

also there is so much context missing

what talents are u playing

do u have skyfury

raid or m+

[leaden garnet]

I think next vault I'll be taking the socket since I'm closing in on BiS. Is there anything I should know about how they work before I slap it onto my shoulders?

I'm avoiding putting a socket on chest/waist in the unlikely event I get an upgrade from Sporefall

[latent moss]

u cant socket shoulders or chest

[dire hinge]

posting a log might help, we can see if you're making other mistakes

[latent moss]

helm wrists or belt

[leaden garnet]

Huh

But I have a socket in my helm currently?

[latent moss]

yeah i meant only helmet wrists or betl

[deft tiger]

here it was six days ago and i tried it again this time and wipe and disbanded

[leaden garnet]

Oh, that's a little boring

[latent moss]

on chim i play

st with a bit of aoe

[leaden garnet]

Tactical Edge over Martial Prowess

📝

[latent moss]

ye its better

play this on full sdt

[leaden garnet]

For the AoE?

[leaden garnet]

Or even on ST?

[latent moss]

and u dont have to apply rend

te just beats mp

[leaden garnet]

I'm confused, why wouldn't you need to apply rend?

[latent moss]

low dmg

slam is more damage with deep wounds

its within variance to slam>rend

[pulsar frost]

i enjoy slam > rend

[leaden garnet]

Rend gives rage via Bloodsurge though, surely it's safer

[latent moss]

with 2x bb u rend>slam tho

bloodsurge is nothing

it only has value in exe

and in exe ms applies rend

[leaden garnet]

Hmm. Do you not even bother maintaining rend above 35% then?

[latent moss]

y i just slam>rend

still kinda hard to not press rend on opener

years of muscle memory

[wind hatch]

yeah i still do it sometimes lol

[latent moss]

also cool thing about this

is that u can just take broad strokes

for 0.4% less st

on something like imperator

to fish for more hs procs

and not waste half a global to cast ss

can also take it on vorasius to cleave some adds while hitting boss if adds go through u for whatever reason

i only pug 4/9 so idk about later fights but on all 4 i just hit boss

cba with padding shit

high cortisol gameplay

hit boss = low cortisol

[leaden garnet]

True

[leaden garnet]

First thing that jumps out to me is low Execute casts

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/maq2ynrTHkp7ZBNd?fight=35&type=damage-done&source=5

I'm comparing to my log, I cast Exe 95 times vs your 36

[latent moss]

no offense but if its a 9 parse there are probably a lot of problems

im not home rn so cant check

[leaden garnet]

CPM is low in general

47 as slayer

[latent moss]

opener is completely cooked

[leaden garnet]

What in the fuck is that

[latent moss]

idk its chimaerus idk how logs deal with downtime

[leaden garnet]

I'm comparing to my logs to get an idea

I was 55 CPM, so that's ~15% more casts per minute

[latent moss]

but very low parses are usually a combination of not pressing buttons + not pressing the correct buttons + having too much downtime

just be greedy for uptime in raid imo

nothing can really kill you

yeah i was 56.5

the only one higher was a fury at 64

and i have 100 haste lss

less*

[deft tiger]

when the soak happen i get confused should i hit the small add since its close or should i wait for the big one by then i will get aggro since i can leap and charge or wait for them to gather and aoe them

[leaden garnet]

Also an unusually large number of slam casts, but that's not THAT strange when taken in conjunction with low Exe casts

[latent moss]

keep hitting all of them

hit the big one with cs

the moment big add goes up leap to boss

u have to minmax uptime as a warrior

and luckily we have the tools to minmax uptime

im pretty sure we are one of the most mobile classes in the game

[leaden garnet]

Okay, here's what you do:

1. Hit the boss
2. If you're downstairs, hit the big add and cleave the small adds
3. When you come back upstairs, hit the boss until the big add is close enough to cleave, or hardswap if it's safe and below 35% and CS isn't on the boss
4. If you're in the upstairs group, feel free to rip AoE into the pack of small adds walking to the boss

[thick kelp]

true velf racial user

[latent moss]

mid leap cancel with charge tech

leap charge buffer tech

i wish i had velf racial

but meld too op in m+

truth nuke

[pulsar frost]

chimmy is just better as range imo

[leaden garnet]

I feel like warrior needs velf portal the least among melee

[pulsar frost]

did a mythic pug as boomkin and parsed 98 by just existing xD

[nova marsh]

What fight isnt better as ranged this tier

[rare kite]

All bosses this tier is better as ranged xD

[leaden garnet]

Also I genuinely cannot imagine playing warrior as anything other than dwarf, my god Stoneform is too good

[pulsar frost]

vora, imp, hmm

belo

nexus

[latent moss]

idk i care about how my character looks more than racial ngl and velf/belf model is too small idk

[leaden garnet]

Healer slacking on dispelling you? Stoneform. Have a disease/curse/etc that your healer can't dispel? Stoneform. Bleed? Stoneform.

[latent moss]

@thick kelp

tactical edge addon

by the big balls (bigbowwl)

[nova marsh]

Man

Imagine getting called big balls

[latent moss]

he is the goat wym

[pulsar frost]

youre just jealous

youre not Big Balls

[latent moss]

truth nuke

[rare kite]

All of those ranged bingchill as well. Not done belo mythic yet but it seems chill for ranged too

[nova marsh]

Ur not wrong

[pulsar frost]

I mean chimmy you cant really hit small adds without nuking the other group unless the pugs I've done just has a shit line

[latent moss]

i just sit on boss

[pulsar frost]

Range can just hit everything and parse but then ahain I've only done chimmy like 4 total times on 2 toons

[latent moss]

until big add comes then i cleave it

[pulsar frost]

So shrug

[latent moss]

if i cant cleave cause its too far away

i crash out

[pulsar frost]

Ye I just hit boss mainly on the warrior when I did it

Boomkin tho I was able to just starfall the small adds and just do crazy dps

Espically when going down

[minor gust]

https://tenor.com/view/regretting-thinking-nervous-macaco-monkey-gif-13105982953111325972

[latent moss]

theres something about

hovering over yourself on details

and seeing all ur dmg be to boss

[nova marsh]

Hi bozo

[minor gust]

Hi

[pulsar frost]

But wait yoy dont play anymore so it doesnt matter

[nova marsh]

I'll be back next season

[pulsar frost]

Mhm sure

[nova marsh]

I mean I will

[latent moss]

me doing different bosses in the raid just to do the exact same rotation

(st rotation)

[nova marsh]

I told myself I quit after tww s2

Boy

Look how that went

[latent moss]

we tracking tactical edge over here

edging it tactically

[nova marsh]

Is that really nessisary

[pulsar frost]

Im pretty much done. Like 1 piece of gear left snd 2 or so sockets on the warrior and maybe a fury set but not much else

[minor gust]

Wish I had this for belo prog

Playing some TE gaming

[pulsar frost]

Might get resi 18s but meh

[latent moss]

have u played the curse in m+

[nova marsh]

Edge in keys

Wait

What

Isnt edge competing with combo?

[latent moss]

u get lost

[pulsar frost]

Bros edging himself in keys

[latent moss]

on ur 3rd global

u have no fucking idea whats going on

every button glowing

[pulsar frost]

Maybe it was good for you to break

[nova marsh]

You son of a bitch

[minor gust]

its arms press any of them for the same dmg xD

[latent moss]

love perma combat

bug

[nova marsh]

So

[thick kelp]

eyes

[nova marsh]

Arms on a normal tuseday

[latent moss]

truth nuke but

i need to lock in and play the most optimal rotation

otherwise whats the point of playing dps type shi

[nova marsh]

To not play tank or heals

[latent moss]

tank zzz

press shield block

keep ss on cd

spam ip

👍

[leaden garnet]

100% a skill issue. Downstairs group runs around the outside of the room, adds run through the middle

If someone gets run over because I'm spanking adds that's a them problem

[latent moss]

i dont even die from running over

mickey mouse boss

[viscid mica]

Hi chat what’s CE?

[zenith lodge]

Cutting Edge, killing the final boss on mythic in the raid before next season starts

[lucid atlas]

do we use BS only with Avatar or do we just send it as soon as CS is up?

[thick kelp]

bs only with cs

[warped owl]

Good rule of thumb is just holding every cd for CS and sending CS on cd pretty much

[lucid atlas]

so i just send BS as soon as CS is up and dont wait for avatar

[thick kelp]

yeah

send BS as long as CS is on your target

as Unhinged leads to BS extending your CS even more

[lucid atlas]

ok got it

and on two target do we use cleave with 3 stacks of collateral damage or do we not use cleave at all in two targets?

[toxic osprey]

Can be a stupid question but if avatar is less than 10 seconds up, do we wait and spam fury to have it for CS + BS ? Because we can't avatar during BS (stupid imo)

[minor gust]

yes without a doubt especially since Ava is tied to AM now

[toxic osprey]

Ok cool thx

[loud raptor]

yo, what are we reflecting on saladbar?

[viscid mica]

would also like to know this

[torn rivet]

good mornin' fellow warios

[torn rivet]

it is a minimal gain if I recall well this has been asked before if you ctrl+f of "collateral damage"

[toxic osprey]

in two target it's ST rotation with sweeping, Cleave it's a filler with 3 stack and only prio over slam

[plucky vector]

Pretty sure its the dot from the adds blowing up

[shadow void]

do you guys sim for aoe 8 targets 1 minute or?

[slow saddle]

Finally Paladins done

no its prison On my dk for grips next 3 weeks 😄

Also it feels like 18s is the Cap

as in here u dont get invites

[scarlet garnet]

any tips for mythic pally's?

[granite swift]

feeling that now, most of my 18/19s have been my own key

or a random cool melee comp inv

did do one triple warr +18 zugzug run tho, that was fun :p

[slow saddle]

yeah im not gettin any invites in 19s

in 18s it was 100% smooth sailing np feels like 19 is where they go FULL only meta comps

[hasty pumice]

dw it gets better at 21 / 22

lots of phys players

[slow saddle]

🤣

[desert briar]

same for 20s

Its so hard to time your first keys after resil the previous ones

[atomic mist]

Anyone recommend a good video guide of the class?

[latent moss]

biz has one but

[daring heron]

exactly why i dont make guides

[latent moss]

i mean as long as ure pressing cleave on cd and something in between

ure good

[soft peak]

[slow saddle]

Must have been super lucky on 18s then, cos i got invites fast

[soft peak]

Bro i dont get invited in m chimaerus bcs i didnt do m chim, how i am supposed to do it then

[fresh spire]

Just make up lies for everything so it's never right or wrong

[sacred zodiac]

you say this as if warrior usually gets guide altering changes mid prog

[rain cipher]

Just say the warrior is your new alt in different account.

Someone will accept that and invites you 😅

[toxic osprey]

Yeah, people gate keep a lot, if you don't have more exp than the leader, you aren't invited

[zenith lodge]

host it yourself and only invite experienced players

[slow saddle]

This

Get 4 dks 2 warlocks🤣

[soft peak]

you have good tips xd

imma try tomorrow and roll for gaze

[spring vale]

I had the same experience on my first chimmy kill. The only lfg thst accepted me was a semi guild run. When we killed it the chat got instantly filled up with cutting edge chimmy achievements lol

[soft peak]

what i need to know for m

despite h

soaks?

[zenith lodge]

dont touch other people who are on opposite team, they get mad

[spring vale]

You have to know where to stand if you get the fear aoe, then people from the other side have to save you

As a melee you will never be saving other people but you need to know where to stand to get saved

[rain cipher]

https://www.mythictrap.com/en

Use this website. Very helpful.

[golden smelt]

Madness, always stay on your assigned side of the boss, don't run to kill small adds when they pop up (you'll likely run over someone in the other realm), interrupt fears on intermission

[spring vale]

Besides that, being the aoe fear break shout if shit goes south and be quick to use it

The intermission adds have a very fast fear cast

[soft peak]

thanks bro actually very helpful

nice ill give it a try , try to document it, doesnt seem hard really

[spring vale]

You can technically cross over to the other side of the arena once the other group "comes back" (they wont look azerite colored anymore and their raid frames will look normal instead of opaque)

[toxic osprey]

Not hard but heavily dependant of 4 peoples (2 healers 2 range) who want to do madness and DK to instant grab fear adds + the group have to chain cc and focus

The hard part is intermission and the first soak after that, rest is ok

[hasty pumice]

bro im not kidding

[soft peak]

impossible to get grp, if i make group i dont know to lead xdd

[slow saddle]

Bro im a top 1000 raider🤣, i wont get into that range

Im aimin for top 1%

[hasty pumice]

what does one have to do with the other

[slow saddle]

Wtf does that 97 mean

[slow saddle]

Its my skill level🤣

[hasty pumice]

bro I'm 5/9 mythic as well

[slow saddle]

Yeah but u could be higher no?

[latent moss]

not locked in yet

[slow saddle]

I capped put at 19s last season ( i dont count after prepatch)

[hasty pumice]

i feel like i could be way higher ye

[slow saddle]

I mean i could be higher than 1k as well🤣, but still like m+ at a point requires more time

Than i have just puggin

[steep citrus]

I managed to kill midnight falls last night by myself for my guild! unfortunately I forgot to hit record on my obs

[spring vale]

Gokke can you lock the fuck in

[slow saddle]

Yes sir

[slow saddle]

Gotta be a good parse🤣

[late lantern]

what trinkets are best for us/should we upgrade?

[soft peak]

heart and gaze

[late lantern]

and if i dont mythic raid?

just m+

[soft peak]

heroic

and up them to 285

[late lantern]

i already have 289 puzzle box, is that not good?

[nova marsh]

Heart of wind and solarflare prisim are pretty good

Box is good but could be annoying to use

[balmy kindle]

Plume sims better on H over M heart for me granted I have M ancient heart

[mortal crag]

does any1 know if reck pot fucks u over if u take vers buff on AA?

surely not right?

cuz its %

[ionic mica]

it will not

[cunning drift]

Hey guys, I am new to Arms and I have a question regarding Demolish and Colossus Smash. Do I always want to use them together? Specifically is it worth to hold Demolish ?

[toxic osprey]

Should be "your score" so if it's only %, shouldn't

[mortal crag]

in aoe u send demo on cd

as long as cs>10

in st line up

[cunning drift]

On cd means at 10 stacks I guess?

I mean should be the same thing in M+ i guess

ty

[mortal crag]

on cd means whenever its up

but yes pref on 10 stacks

u prestack 1st pull if u can (ask tank to get aggro)
rest of the pulls it should already be always 10 stacks

on ST u line them up regardless of stack count

anything above 5 is solid tho

on aoe u can send demo on cd even if colo is not up, assuming colo is at least 10s or more on cd

that's M+

if ur looking at vanguard i mean yeah u play it aoe so its the same

but u cant really prestack as well so

first demo goes with like.. 2-4 stacks depending on ur MS

(if it crit or not)

was that okay?

[cunning drift]

Oh yeah that makes it very clear! Thanks a lot!

An other question I have is how much do I play around executioners precision?

I think that´s mainly important during execute phase, but should I even pay it any mind?

[mortal crag]

for colo?

dont care about it

exec destroys ur rage generation

for slayer on m+ u only send ms with 2ep + CS

no CS no press MS

[cunning drift]

Oh okay

Thanks again!

[main siren]

Is it viable to play slayer in every key? Not really a fan of colossus

[cloud widget]

Seems pretty much every top 100 for each key has at least some slayer population so Id say so yeah.

[spring vale]

Just tried that no shammy slarms build in a NPX it felt great

[latent moss]

no overpower emote

gg

blue name slacking....

[olive nest]

No demo either imagine

[spring vale]

Also maybe I hadn't noticed until now but man is it annoying to play warrior in a party where everyone else is ranged and standing in Narnia

when the mobs/boss do an attack that targets the furthest people and they move out of my range >:(

[thorn stream]

No shammy slarms build ?

[spring vale]

#arms message

[olive nest]

If you search “cursed” you’ll find it xdd

[spring vale]

nah man its blessed

[olive nest]

Sounds like it’s got plentiful rage

[thorn stream]

Ah that one

Yea I’ll stick to massacre thanks

[latent moss]

bro is missing out...

[olive nest]

I’ll have to try it out I haven’t had the chance to log in

[wind hatch]

tactical edge salesman

[torn rivet]

^

the overpower icon is badass af ngl

[cunning surge]

ever or only in certain conditions ie single target \ aoe \ execute*

[late lantern]

So Slayer and Colo are pretty on point right now? For pugging is Slayer 'better' due to a higher possibiliy of less playing around colo strength

Or are there some dungeons that are just way better as colo like pit?

[dim basalt]

First 24 was timed

lmao

That was quick

[thick kelp]

"Guys what team is pushing rn"

[dim basalt]

Theyre completely cracked

[torn rivet]

bruh

[torn rivet]

both are valid, especially if trash tank doesnt pull a lot then colo gets far behind

[latent moss]

stove doenst even have

mythic vaelgors

he is like 289 ilvl xd

[torn rivet]

bro just shat on every "I don't do dps cuz I dont have trinket" intellect ahh

borpaBased

[latent moss]

how the mighty have fallen...

@tacit crystal

i think we had a full wipe

on left side

[torn rivet]

arms rework D:

[latent moss]

we were so low ilvl

insane that people are struggling on those keys

at 288

[torn rivet]

well, wipe on boss = abandon

[latent moss]

i mean we had like

a full wipe

[torn rivet]

besides, most ppl pug they aren't teams

[latent moss]

and a couple deaths

at 275

and we still timed it easily

with the most yee yee ass comp

imaginable

[torn rivet]

lol

fair haha

[latent moss]

random 2 monks

random spriest and arms

this was pre 9000000 buffs

arms got

[torn rivet]

bro stop hitting yo yee yee ahh against the cement

which part of "pugs cant be arsed" is unclear to ya

[latent moss]

yeah ik but its just insane to me

[torn rivet]

I too had this shock 2 days ago when I realized it's all because of lack of giving a shit on their side

and i found it hard to believe tbh until...well.

[latent moss]

cause pogs dont even do more damage than we did

and spriest was not very good

[torn rivet]

my friends told me in like even +20 keys, you see devourer or unholy and they are clueless af

or frost mages

full on cluelessness

[latent moss]

ye i mean

[torn rivet]

petition to rename Recklessness to Cluelessness

[latent moss]

the good players arent doing 20s

they are doing 23s

[torn rivet]

well, we aren't them are we

we're shitters

give or take, shitters with ambition

[latent moss]

well if i did a single key

in the last month

just playing alts for fun rn

i have strayed...

[torn rivet]

hey

I recognize "uwuxalatath"

AH YEAH i heard about you from some guildies

[latent moss]

there are prolly a lot of peolpe named that

or similar

im so cluegi on ranged man

lowk first time playing ranged

[latent moss]

[pulsar frost]

is funny and fun, did a 18 nexus we full wiped twice and had like 11 total deaths but timed it with like a minute or 2 to spare xD

[latent moss]

yeah

[thick kelp]

Whitegirl is 89

I got int weapon and started healing

[latent moss]

as long as u get through left side

with not terrible timer

the key is timed

u can do right side in like 3 pulls xd

even in pugs prolly

[torn rivet]

yea especially now we are overgeared

[latent moss]

nothing is really going on in those packs

[torn rivet]

but not in pugs

[latent moss]

axaxaxxa

im waiting for whitegirl holy paladin

[torn rivet]

i had a 19 skyreach ye and we wiped on like, pack before last boss

abandon

shrugge

and we had time but 1 vote doesnt do much against 4

tank died, all died (in truth we did BL and shi)

insta abandon

i swear those guys had macro on death with /abandon

[latent moss]

classic pug players

[torn rivet]

well with who else to play?

^^

[latent moss]

products of the resilient system

[torn rivet]

100% agreed, it was indeed resi

[sacred zodiac]

cast on death faster casting abandon 3l

Holy

[torn rivet]

!join

[thick kelp]

have /abandon keybound to my leap

[latent moss]

idk try finding someone

keys really arent fun in pugs

[lean geode]

Spoingie did you read my wall of text yesterday

[torn rivet]

im asking generally lol

[sacred zodiac]

i did i was too tired to respond

[torn rivet]

now i have homies :D

[latent moss]

good

[latent moss]

spingis

@thick kelp get like

220-230 ilvl

and we go 10s

im ddh i dont need healing

[thick kelp]

r u saying

156 is not good enough?

also im playing ret at max

[latent moss]

truth nuke..

wtf 2 slayer arms warriors typing..

[dim basalt]

@thick kelp ayo are you my long lost brother

[torn rivet]

omegalul

[latent moss]

maybe i tank

lowkirk

[pulsar frost]

Why is today's maintenance 4 hours smh

[latent moss]

im afraid of tanking as vdh

i swear spec just explodes

to 2 melees

[torn rivet]

spooked cuz badge

[thick kelp]

got buffed tbf

[torn rivet]

vdh good trust

[thick kelp]

shouldnt explode

[latent moss]

https://tenor.com/view/girls-und-panzer-gup-truth-nuke-trvke-katyusha-gif-3214992808214369110

[latent moss]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/845318240745160775/1049754429735313429/unknown-3-1.gif

[pulsar frost]

The spec wont expldoe but he will

Am I rite@latent moss

[latent moss]

i played it in a delve

spirit bomb has a cd

[thick kelp]

yeah

[latent moss]

at least

[thick kelp]

and fel dev

is piss

button

[latent moss]

fel scarred is dead

u have like perma meta?????

wish i could look like dps dh in meta

i hate the spiky meta of vdh

[cunning surge]

New arms player here.

Can someone explain to me the w\ shaman w\o shaman build differences?

[pulsar frost]

About 10% dps loss without. You'll be even more rage starve

You'll wish you could enslave a shaman person

[latent moss]

problem with no shaman is that

[pulsar frost]

You'll be complaining about not having a shaman during exe phase

[latent moss]

if u low roll which is already bad enough in terms of gameplay

its much worse'

if u dont have a shaman

[cunning surge]

What talents are swapped around for each build?

[latent moss]

sitting there pressing a 20 rage execute

and nothing proccing

what builds are u talking about

[pulsar frost]

Slayer just uses 1 build

Dont think folks use overlord danymore

[latent moss]

seems like the curse spread

[cunning surge]

I've just been lurking the past few days and was under the impression there was a build you'd use w\ a shaman and one without. Maybe i'm misinterpreting what i've been reading though

[latent moss]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148898720803586048/1504857199543845005/image.png?ex=6a0dc8fb&is=6a0c777b&hm=5a69b0e937e632437af3e0bc9d091b858aefc62fd4b29c01e05b6fe6cf8b4f2d&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

yeah its this

u basically never have rage problems

prio is a little bit different

u want to press op more

and ms is high prio in aoe if u have tactical edge up

[pulsar frost]

Wtf is this

[latent moss]

the curse

[torn rivet]

WTFF

prowess dies

[latent moss]

its 5% ahead on st over massacre ct

if u dont have shaman

and a couple % on aoe

[torn rivet]

nah impossibru

[cunning surge]

And then what would be considered the 'standard'

[torn rivet]

having a shaman

[latent moss]

massacre ct

[torn rivet]

tbh when I go M+ i browse only shaman lobbies

[pulsar frost]

Build seems cursed

Pressing op as higher prio besides cleave then MS with the edge seems cursed

Is this why the othe folks were making edge tracking weakauras the other day

[latent moss]

yeah

[torn rivet]

agreed, edge seems cursed

aint no way people fr doin this

[latent moss]

crushing combo is a big loss

on st

if u dont have skyfury

[thick kelp]

Crazy

2026

[torn rivet]

I mean yeah He does have a point

[thick kelp]

and our spec is designed with skyfury in mind

[latent moss]

kha did like a 20 seat with it and liked it

[torn rivet]

yea its kinda stoopid

like blizzard c'mon

[pulsar frost]

kha is a interesting and different person

[torn rivet]

just give me 15% chance for random auto attack on rage spenders and overpower and we good

[pulsar frost]

whats the full prio list and stuff

[cunning surge]

sorry still a little unfamiliar with the tree, can you show me a pic?

[latent moss]

its on wowhead

[thick kelp]

Opportunity strikes coulda been our mastery

[latent moss]

generally u want to play cleave>op with 2x opp>sd>ms with tactical edge up>op with opp>exe/op doesnt matter

[thick kelp]

but instead we just have versa 2.0

[cunning surge]

goat, thank you

[latent moss]

what is this

[torn rivet]

massacre m+

[latent moss]

drop mass execution for 2nd ct

[thick kelp]

that looks like dogshit

[latent moss]

massacr plays both ct

[torn rivet]

P_sus

[latent moss]

1 ct is a wasted point

[pulsar frost]

thats to much to remember

i small zug zug warrior brain

[thick kelp]

Move mass exe -> ct

[latent moss]

not really u just

wanna prio op higher

and ms with tactical edge

u still cleave on cd

[torn rivet]

w u t

[pulsar frost]

so i just cleave as usual, click OP, SD, MD with proc whatever

and thats it

[cunning surge]

lost again

[torn rivet]

aint no way extra 5 cc and cd on execute outdoes mass execution

[pulsar frost]

the standard build is 2 CT tho

always has been

[torn rivet]

ah well I mean sure but I needed more cleave

D:

btw guys u use any talent manager or smth?

[pulsar frost]

why do you need more cleave when it doesnt do as much damage as colo

[torn rivet]

cuz talent loadout manager is scuffed

[latent moss]

mass exec has always been the first talent u drop as slayer

since its not like colo where its just cleave doing insane dmg

[pulsar frost]

is slam higher prio or like what, whats the point of 25% less rage slam

[latent moss]

its cleave+reap

[latent moss]

no

u need it on st

it makes st very smooth

very underrated talent unironically

[torn rivet]

i hate slammage

[latent moss]

since u start starving once u have to spam slam

and u dont get procs

[torn rivet]

except when it gets the train running again, I love slam there

[latent moss]

efficiency helps a ton with that

[pulsar frost]

is that 5 rage reduciton really that good

15 rage slams

[latent moss]

yes

[slow saddle]

My god, give us more rage!!!!!

[torn rivet]

well ye its like, 5 slams instead of 4

[pulsar frost]

hm ill test this when serv3ers come back up

[torn rivet]

get egirl shaman

[latent moss]

tactician isnt rage based anymore

also reduces hs cost

[torn rivet]

imma yoink that no sham talent tree

it ..seems..promising

[slow saddle]

I want our rage economy 2 be like we had shaman

Then with shaman i csn blindly spam exexute

[latent moss]

that

[pulsar frost]

does this build change in ST and exe phase

[latent moss]

no

technically

slam>exe if <40 rage

is a gain

[pulsar frost]

cursed

[torn rivet]

yea, better than starving tbh

[latent moss]

yeah its called the curse for a reason

[pulsar frost]

arms so cursed man

[thick kelp]

Holy spawn

[torn rivet]

starving arms gameplay is madge

[pulsar frost]

might as well go back playing fury

[thick kelp]

warbound gear owns

[latent moss]

oh u will experience

a spec that sucks even more

without shaman

[thick kelp]

ding ding ding

[latent moss]

its actual night and day btw

in terms of hp gen and aow procs

u will be overcapping hp perma

cause aow >>> all

[thick kelp]

drop the key build

[latent moss]

take the st build drop random talents

and pick uip aoe

[thick kelp]

@mortal crag twin kiwis with hair are the best

Yeah

[latent moss]

this is what

the ret biz is playing with

is playing

tho i wouldnt play es in low asscontent

[thick kelp]

yeah cant bang a big es

[latent moss]

ye just play 30s wings

its insane

u press wake

and it causes 9000000 things to happen

[torn rivet]

ladies

rate my new ui

[misty sandal]

I don't recognize this warrior spec

[torn rivet]

login or logout?

idk who said last night about ArcUI to me but thanks mate ❤️

[pulsar frost]

i should dabble in arcui but at the same time its not relaly worth at this point of the season

[pulsar frost]

interesting binds tho

[torn rivet]

this is before:

prot but still i guess the "spirit" of the UI shows

[torn rivet]

haha why?\

[thick kelp]

not a fan of how your own HP and rage is so low vs your spells with irrelevant cd's like rend, heroic throw sweep

[torn rivet]

I agree

I still dunno how to organize em yet

Especially the hp bar

[thick kelp]

eternal classic

[torn rivet]

Hmmm

Tbh im thinking to even remove enemy hp bar

I never look at it anyway i look only on nameplates

[pulsar frost]

whats the middle part of ui

i vibe with this

[thick kelp]

ayjiecdm

Looks like this with buffs

[pulsar frost]

do you have this but for arms

[torn rivet]

Had ayjie until now but it cant do SS stacks

Dunno why it just didnt work well for me

[pulsar frost]

do you have this for the warrior

i wouldnt mind swapping to this tbh

[thick kelp]

I think this shld work

slap it into acdm

[pulsar frost]

will try once servers goes back up for NA

[thick kelp]

@latent moss this event is impossible

[vapid spire]

Why is the reset taking so long

Are we getting a buff

[latent moss]

u dont have to

complete it

[thick kelp]

for the void upgrade thingy u dont?

[latent moss]

idk

u dont need for trinket

[vagrant hull]

What do you all think, give warriors CD, something like "Iron Tether" that allows a warrior to use their abilities at 15-20 yards for 15 seconds.

[vapid spire]

I'd prefer chains to give a second class a grip

[vagrant hull]

Will help since uptime is so important. And blizz refuses to give us actual utility, might as well make our lives easier

[feral breach]

So

Aspect of the hawk

[vagrant hull]

"Iron Reach" makes taunt pull your target to you via chains. And every time it's cast the closest ret paladin regardless of distance cowers in fear for 2 seconds.

[vapid spire]

I said a grip not another gap closer

[vagrant hull]

Is pulling your target to you not a grip

[burnt gale]

Give warriors Bloodlust.

We will get invited to groups with our current limited utility with that one addition.

[vagrant hull]

obviously, but that shit isn't going to happen so I'm trying to find more ways to be useful or make my life easier

and I'm also slightly bored, and my guild discord is a fucking ghost town so you all are getting my bored ramblings

[odd helm]

would be cool if they introduced a different type of lust maybe like making the regular one haste and damage and a new one crit/mastery and damage or something

[torn rivet]

give. Warrior. Bloodlust.

fkn blizzard

[odd helm]

shared sated debuff but you could decide to use a diff major lust buff instead of the standard

[vagrant hull]

haha can you imagine? One lust is better for some classes so its a race for who casts it first.

[torn rivet]

or maybe rework war machine to give haste on kill instead of movement speed

[odd helm]

hahaha yeah in raid it sounds awful but would make key comps diff

[stoic oyster]

TBC SERVERS DOWN TOO WTF IS THIS MAINTENANCE.. I HAVE NO MOUTH AND I MUST SCREAM

[torn rivet]

perform screamn't

[feral breach]

Ooooh no

Anyways

[shadow void]

i always do ass damage in AA, and great everywhere else

and idk why

[hasty pumice]

:stonks

[thick kelp]

yep

rage is abit too low for my taste

[hasty pumice]

i mean ye but

at the same time

if you OTP warrior

you get a good feeling for your rage

I feel like its way more important on fury

I might move it at some point but

too lazy rn

[sudden owl]

idk u just need rampage to light up on fury the bar matters more for arms

[hasty pumice]

you dont play around your rage tho really

cause currently OP has high prio anyways

if OP was like giga low dogshit damage beneath slam

I'd agree

there's only 2 cases where I care about my rage bar in dungeon

bad rng / opener

and death

and bad rng only happens in pure ST

in execute phase on slayer you only press OP / execute anyways

[hybrid needle]

Sir can i ask you or can you show me what your ST looks like on the bosses

[hasty pumice]

i had 126k with colossus on forgemaster earlier

not overall but pure DPS on forge

[hybrid needle]

oh youre back to col ?

[hasty pumice]

key dependant and dependant on people

if I pug with people who dont often play phys slayer becomes a lot better

pit and MC are like always colossus tho

[hybrid needle]

whats your slayer ST without funnel, thats what im most cuurious about

[hasty pumice]

that was this week's vorasius

111k on vorasius

on dungeon bosses

when I play cleanly and no D-stances

its like

95-105k

also depends on execute phase RNG

sometimes you get a ton of OPs and SD's

sometimes you use 4 executes without OP proccing and no SDs

and no windfury procs

[hybrid needle]

Interesting. Thats miles above me. Back to the books

[sacred zodiac]

crazy to crop the part where you show that you are 6x pi'd edited log etc

[hasty pumice]

Might also be gear diff

[hasty pumice]

ban this guy

[sacred zodiac]

why not 290 yet noob

[hybrid needle]

I dont blame 15-20k on gear difference

[hasty pumice]

@latent moss ban spongie pls

[hasty pumice]

He's toxic, harassing me and a huge cutiepie

[sacred zodiac]

unironically tho why isnt everyone 288 yet

i got literally zero crest discounts from anything and im like 289

[hasty pumice]

Cause I'm 5/8 mythic

And

I crafted a weapon for fury

[sacred zodiac]

refer to this

[hexed orchid]

Hello guys, i'm new on arms and i don't really understand why in some key people play slayer and in other key they play collosus

[sacred zodiac]

so did i bud

[hasty pumice]

okay sorry that your cock is massive

Drcuckiam

[sacred zodiac]

what the hell

[hybrid needle]

^well in my case i lost 4 weeks of vault due to vacation

[sacred zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/pig-electric-shock-pigman-electrocuted-electric-gif-13739997527188393816

[hasty pumice]

Escalated quickly huh?

[sacred zodiac]

@latent moss you have to comment on this gif

[hybrid needle]

Do you have a M+ ST log i can use for comparison

[hasty pumice]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1372158613312897036/1376317636249518170/speechmeme.com_25_05_2025_23_54_45.gif

[hasty pumice]

My entire raid reclear this week is with like

M+ spec

Lmao

On 1st boss it's 100% m+ spec

[sacred zodiac]

go kill alleria noob

you have 1 day before i kill it before you

[hasty pumice]

Find me in goldshire inn

Tomorrow you'll love me

[sacred zodiac]

i used to play on argent dawn

[hybrid needle]

Damn that crest removal is super soon isnt it

[daring heron]

@mortal crag

i do this

it's fine

nutrition is nutrition

[lucid atlas]

do you guys use a zündungs-makro or do you just press cd one by one¨?

[hybrid needle]

ACtually youre supposed to

[ionic mica]

doesnt even taste bad

[sacred zodiac]

zündungs-macro goes hard

[tacit crystal]

gg

[cunning surge]

crest cap removed, let's go

[hasty pumice]

Bruh

I'll tell speedy surely he'll eat your funnel like you eat hairy kiwis

I never tried it TBF but hairy peach is already eh

[dim basalt]

Are there people who peel their peaches

[hasty pumice]

I bet there's some

[dim basalt]

That sounds incredibly cursed

[hasty pumice]

For everything imaginable there's at least one slayerarmswarrior who does exactly that

[halcyon valve]

There are also people that peel their mcdonalds burgers

[hasty pumice]

That's oddly specific

I smell a self report

[dim basalt]

[halcyon valve]

[dim basalt]

My old guild had 2 people who didnt eat any vegetables at all

I cant understand that

[halcyon valve]

Thats crazy

[hasty pumice]

Their guts gonna be healthy as fuck after 30

[dim basalt]

Meals are so much better with them

[halcyon valve]

Veggies are just nice man

[fresh spire]

depends which some are evil 😄

[dim basalt]

I guess

[fresh spire]

basically anything other than sprouts

[dim basalt]

I dont eat everything but the vast majority of vegetables

[fresh spire]

[dim basalt]

But like

You can put so many different veggies in the oven with olive oil salt pepper and smoked paprika

And you get something you can eat to almost every recipe

[cunning surge]

veggie good

[spring vale]

guys i think they were cooking when they buffed bladestorm

feels good as fuck to press now

[pulsar frost]

how do you move shit? while i do like this, your defensives and pots is blocking my self frame

[thick kelp]

from acdm

Pots

defensives

[pulsar frost]

i wish could just move it with edit mode but it is what it is

[twin hazel]

Any thoughts on Light Company Guidon? Got one in the vault and Bloodmallet rates it high

[dim basalt]

Its okay-ish, bloodmallet is not really trustable though

[pulsar frost]

i like it on colo, its meh on slayer hto

[twin hazel]

got vessel of tortured souls in there too

[storm wraith]

Speaking of trinkets, what is the best trinket pair for Mythic+ for someone who does not raid at all?

[pulsar frost]

box, prism, heart of wind

[twin hazel]

Heart of acient hunger

[copper swan]

😭

he doesn't raid he wrote it

i really like heart of wind, sometimes it helps with the rage lacks

• being arms and having crit proc and haste proc is very asmr

[sacred zodiac]

strongly reconsider the idea of not raiding at all

first 3 are trivial to pug and give you your bis stuff

[daring flicker]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1248022608390393888/1309163778151022652/togif.gif

[pulsar frost]

hould at least pug mythic chimmy, very easy pug, vora is a bit more annoying since lockout but its doable

[wind flicker]

Tbh this season is hella easy to get geared without raid

Its amazing

[slim iron]

True. Unfortunately bis items like myrh gays are still locked behind raid

[soft peak]

Pls guys gaze tomorrow in vault

[soft peak]

I played 4’weeks and im 286 lol

[pulsar frost]

you happen to also join when they introduced bonus rolls back

[soft peak]

Without myth raida

1 week before

[pulsar frost]

ye, its alot faster now with that, it was still fast but slower before bonus rolls came back

[soft peak]

But it is good tho anyway

I played like an animal

I dont like this new shit ui changes but whatever

It was easier with addons

I tried to make another char and have the same ui, everything was fucked up and let it go

[lucid atlas]

guy in aoe opener as slayer we do CS BS Cleave and hold OP and SD on 1 stack or do i miss something?

[nova marsh]

bro

it took them THIS LONG to take the crest cap out

damn

[slow flame]

colossus or slayer

[chilly wind]

if i play slayer in keys, does the prio change from collosus?

[slow flame]

yes

yo kings slayer or colossus lets vote whats overall better for small brain

[spring vale]

Slayer wayy simpler thsn colo

[hexed inlet]

Hero gaze or myth solarflare. Sims say solarflare. I wont have access to myth raid gear.

I have the hero vora trink

[ionic mica]

are you simming them with the voidcore ilvl boost? if so just follow the sim

they are all just stat procs, nothing magical happening

[hexed inlet]

ya simming with voidcore boost. Only nice thing is the hero gaze has tertiary stat speed

[ionic mica]

i doubt the difference is huge but you have the sim

can use the gaze if you want

[hexed inlet]

ya ill think about it.

[ionic mica]

you could potentially get into a myth chimaerus pug as well, on reset they are usually pretty solid

but if you dont want to then all g

[hexed inlet]

I might down the road but im headed out fishing for the rest of the week

today so just checking before i leave

[ionic mica]

as prot loot spec theres only 3 things on the loot table so gaze isnt so far away

[hexed inlet]

Ok good to know

[pulsar frost]

used to be 2

before they added in the tier token smh

[ionic mica]

idk i didnt roll at a point where tier wasnt on the table

but i also havent ever rolled chim

[pulsar frost]

i rolled it day 1 of bonus rolls

was a 50/50

[toxic osprey]

if you already have the tier piece in 289, do you still have the chance to have it as bonus roll ?

[pulsar frost]

yes

you only remove it from the list if you used a bonus roll

[toxic osprey]

That's stupid

[rose matrix]

Gotten 9 items from me rerolls in Pit and still no neck

[shadow iron]

I thought there was only 9 lol

[rose matrix]

And I only got refuned 1 of my rerolls when they were bugged and I just got my 2nd duplicate after the fix

Gotten the weapon and chestplate twice

[slow saddle]

M8 its a catchup

Not a free loot thing

Blp n

[toxic osprey]

Ofc, it's just "i have the item that i can't need if it's drop because i already have it" and you can still got it a new time, that's strange

[slow saddle]

Exactly u were lucky

B l p

U had good luck

[toxic osprey]

Still not have gaze personnaly

[slow saddle]

Then thats were u should roll

[toxic osprey]

i roll on it

[slow saddle]

As prot?

[toxic osprey]

DIdn't know prot was a better roll so nop, two roll, two fails

[slow saddle]

Well as i said blp

I used 5 as dk

Or what ever max i

[toxic osprey]

Don't know what blp is