#arms

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dim basalt
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Last thing you want is an empowered ability

fresh spire
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no but ive been considering it when i was in raid

stable fiber
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i do it a lot in m+

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i did a key with gio and had 2 more bladestorms then him

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idk could be a rng thing

vernal pilot
nova marsh
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Honestly I'm surprised March took that long

dim basalt
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Maybe soontm

lean geode
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At its core, I think this comes down to historical context and connotation, at least among native english speakers. There is certainly an argument to be made about "reclaiming" the term in the same way other derogatory terms have been, but I'm not personally convinced of that, nor do I think its usage in cases like yours is really an active reclamation as much as they are a passive, implicit reinforcement of the historical connotation.

At the risk of writing a wall of text on a subject well outside my own area of expertise, I encourage reflection upon the specifics of that term vs other adjectives that apply to the situation. I'll use a more extreme example; if someone is complaining a lot, you might call them a crybaby. You are describing them as immature and fragile, incapable of handling adversity and keeping minor inconveniences in context. If you instead call them a bitch, or say that they are bitching, you are comparing them (according to the historical context around the word) to a woman, and that's kind of it. If we extend that train of thought slightly further, the implicit contention is that a woman is even more immature, even more incapable of handling adversity, etc. than a literal baby - it's not hard to see why that implicit contention is inherently misogynistic

nova marsh
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Wasn't voidspire hof cleared like a month ago

lean geode
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:essaying:

stable fiber
nova marsh
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crazy shit

stable fiber
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also march took awhile cause a lot of guilds struggle with beloren

hybrid needle
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What the f is wrong with bigbowl today

stable fiber
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then they nerfed the boss and they killed it quick

lean geode
stable fiber
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then had to spend 300-400 pulls on l'ura

nova marsh
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Ahh

hybrid needle
nova marsh
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potentional answer

hybrid needle
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Blade rush over anything right?

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And do we press blade flurry only for the buff or whenever its off cd for dmg

nova marsh
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I think it's bladerush over anything that isn't BTE or AR

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And blade flurry is off cd

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cuz that shit actually does a lot on activation

hybrid needle
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Oh... so i dont have to track the buff cause i use it frequently enough

nova marsh
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Yeah

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I mean I still would

hybrid needle
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.....oh

nova marsh
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just as a reminder in case you forget

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up to you

hybrid needle
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Ive just been rerershing it every 12s..

nova marsh
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The only real things you need to track on outlaw is Roll the bones, maybe Between the eyes, and absoutlely apex

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because apex is weird

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and has a delayed activation on the reset

toxic osprey
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I do understand, having 2 stacks of SD is already quite lucky but 3 is insane (imo) so cleaving in middle was obvious for me but can be wrong

And, do you BS without CS If you're lucky and like, CS come back in 15 seconds ? i always wait

nova marsh
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Cuz BTE needs to deal damage before it resets...why I have no idea when ace is instant

hybrid needle
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Woxtox said it just replaces dispatch in prio list too, so its down the line

stable fiber
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even if you have to wait for CS, you dont have to wait for avatar

nova marsh
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Oh yeah

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flurry also gives you a crap ton of combo points

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So another reason to send that shit

hybrid needle
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Yeah 1 per target iirc

toxic osprey
hybrid needle
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I domt like Prep, resetting everything every 4m kills my brain

stable fiber
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my dk (alt) is higher ilvl then my warrior (main)

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this gearing system is balls

hybrid needle
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How in the world did you manage that

stable fiber
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tbf

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my warrior has 70 crests it cant spend

hybrid needle
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Godrolled ?

stable fiber
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because its missing ring/belt/gloves

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opposite of godrolled

lean geode
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khazix most spooned raider since sarri

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(real)

stable fiber
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and im like the lowest ilvl main character in the top 50 guilds

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smh

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spooned for sure

lean geode
pulsar frost
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Nah brewj is spoonfed

hybrid needle
lean geode
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That's extremely on brand for me

nova marsh
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It's so bloody awkward

pulsar frost
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Are you proud of me

nova marsh
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yes

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Good job

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on warr?

pulsar frost
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Ofc

hybrid needle
nova marsh
hybrid needle
nova marsh
pulsar frost
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Timing nexus 18 with 11 deaths and 2 full wipes is funny af

nova marsh
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Honestly I'm kinda hoping they just shoot prep already

stable fiber
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is rogue in a good state now

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or is that class still ass

nova marsh
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Add to restless blades?

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Depends

hybrid needle
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I mean

pulsar frost
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Rogues fine no?

nova marsh
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DPS wise I think rogue is pretty okay

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Defensive wise can I please kill myself

pulsar frost
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They're still kinda meta option for physical comps

hybrid needle
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If i forget the Button or missuse it anyways who cares right

nova marsh
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I mean

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That's funny

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cuz there are only like 6 specs that do pure physical

pulsar frost
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I've played with 2 or 3 rogues in my 6 keys I've done today

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So I mean

stable fiber
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rogues and mages both ruined classes

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gg...

hybrid needle
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I always invite Outlaws if i see them

pulsar frost
hybrid needle
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Their overall is crazy

pulsar frost
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I only invite rogues if they're decently higher io

nova marsh
pulsar frost
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Or when I have brez or lust filled

pulsar frost
stable fiber
nova marsh
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Sir I named 2 classes

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that's more then 6

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2+3 +outlaw

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okay it is six

stable fiber
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hmm

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bm isnt pure physcial

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actually

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i think

nova marsh
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Really?

pulsar frost
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Oh you're counting specs. Was thinking classes

stable fiber
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if you play DR

nova marsh
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Oh right

hybrid needle
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I mean look at this

nova marsh
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Dark ranger exists I forgot about that one

stable fiber
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if you play DR you do shadow damage but i dont think its meta

nova marsh
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Yeah

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sounds about right for outlaw.

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Good AoE, really good single target for keys

pulsar frost
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Stop sleeping

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Ezpz

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Just go colo snd get higher overall ez pz

hybrid needle
pulsar frost
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But suffer st since you don't get funnel keks

stable fiber
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yeah ok pack leader bm hunter is purely physical

pulsar frost
mild basalt
stable fiber
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DR is like 40/60 i think

nova marsh
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always gotta try ngl

pulsar frost
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You're probably better then me mr dracz

daring jetty
hybrid needle
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How do you define being good

nova marsh
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even if I think I'm bad

pulsar frost
nova marsh
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I'll always try

pulsar frost
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Where to buy shamans

mild basalt
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shaman store

pulsar frost
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That's not enhancements

mild basalt
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smells like weed

pulsar frost
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I had to beg this enhancement shaman to skyfury me in nexus

daring jetty
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With Fury i can do 180-200k overall but not with arms... i loose too much on ST where im pulling about 80k

pulsar frost
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Since the start of right room pull

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Smh

hybrid needle
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NEVER EVER invite enhancement shams. Theyre literally all trolling. Not a Single decent one out there

pulsar frost
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Or somewhat ahead

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Id like to make a fury set soon or later since arms gearing is done

hybrid needle
pulsar frost
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Slayer fury isnt really padding like thane

daring jetty
pulsar frost
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Has decent prio

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MT tho had terrible prio

pulsar frost
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At least for keys

hybrid needle
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Slury still loses st dmg in a aoe Situation doe to the ww prio

daring jetty
pulsar frost
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Idk about that. Id like to think myself as mainly a fury player thats judt playing arms this season

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My fury numbers are still close despite me being mainly haste crit

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Are you heavy fury stats as arms?

daring jetty
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How you just pull ST? I usually Avatar + smash into blade and after that just cleave, exe, overpower or slam whatever is available from these

daring jetty
hybrid needle
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Thats not a bad spread tbf

daring jetty
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Yep, the issue is in me§

pulsar frost
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Ms > SD > op

pulsar frost
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Ye that thing

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I let mr dracz talk since im about to drive

hybrid needle
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Did i already mention im a bad arms meself

daring jetty
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I cant figure out what is SD

hybrid needle
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Sudden death

daring jetty
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Aah

pulsar frost
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I dont fuck eith rend over slam in st

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Unless its expiring

hybrid needle
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My ST in keys is horrible

pulsar frost
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How horrible is is horrible

hybrid needle
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What

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Like.. 75-90k depending on proccluck

daring jetty
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Im usually too around 70-80k 😄

hybrid needle
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Holdon

daring jetty
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But usually when im watching someone like critcake he has atleast one additional mob with boss, which i do believe helps you a lot with rage etc and ofc the dps on the boss.

hybrid needle
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Thats vexamus for example

pulsar frost
hybrid needle
daring jetty
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By sim my ST dps is 95k which is not great

daring jetty
echo ibex
daring jetty
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I feel like im missing too much on execute.. ofc it depends also on how many procs you get.. which will also be affected if any mobs are with that boss.

echo ibex
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he has a dmg amp irl 20%

daring jetty
hybrid needle
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You have all buffs on

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U wont have all buffs in keys

random wasp
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if i get grabbed in skryeach last boss can I leap to come back?

pulsar frost
hybrid needle
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Iirc you cant, itll say not in line of sight

pulsar frost
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Unless you're judt that quick

random wasp
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okok, warlock can use teleport wondered if warrior has a similar privilege

hybrid needle
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Only abilitys that do not need a target or target area work

random wasp
hybrid needle
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Oh youre a puzzlebox enjoyer ?

daring jetty
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It is amazing for fury.. still hate it as its annoying as hell.. but i did not get a proper trinket for Arms i would love.

hybrid needle
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Id run gaze and heart on both speccs. F the puzzlebox

daring jetty
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Yeah i did not get the Gaze yet.. not on heroic or mythic at all.

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Im waiting for it

pulsar frost
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i mean box is good for both

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its just annmoying to use

daring jetty
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I saw gaze drop since the start of the season ONCE.

hybrid needle
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Thats why you roll in there

daring jetty
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Did not help unfortunately.

hybrid needle
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3 times and its guaranteed

pulsar frost
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2

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if you roll prot

daring jetty
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Well i guess next raid i get it, good to know

hybrid needle
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4 if not prot

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3 if prot

pulsar frost
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Gaze was my first thing i rolled when it came out

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On that tuseday. Pugged it then rolled never have to come bsck again

daring jetty
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Is potion of recklessness used mostly for Arms ? because i would kinda hope it would give me haste.. but i just get crit because its just second highest as it suppose to be..

hybrid needle
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Just dont troll and roll on heroic
Idk why so many people roll heroic

pulsar frost
hybrid needle
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Some people do. I use lights potential since u dont have to cancel procs ect

pulsar frost
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But its a sim question

wild fractal
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how much dps do I lose if I play without windfury buff ?

pulsar frost
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I used lights till I had enough of both stats and reck Sims better now

pulsar frost
hybrid needle
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8-10%

pulsar frost
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But its a lot judt not having the bjff

wild fractal
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its crazy lol

wet maple
pulsar frost
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If I can get in you can too

hybrid needle
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Well i mean

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Make your own group, set 5 marks, kill it in 3-4 pulls max

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That easy

pulsar frost
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The kill group i had those weeks ago was a 2 kill pull

hybrid needle
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I joined one of the famous "FAST BLAST ONLY MULTI CE" groups and we actually killed it first try. Was crazy

pulsar frost
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Now vora was annoying. Wish I farmed it before I did keys

daring jetty
pulsar frost
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Its ok. My guild doesnt really do mythic dtuff so I have to pug both trinks

wild fractal
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how much does fury lose without windfury maybe I play if I don't get shaman

pulsar frost
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I was weeks ahead of semi guild kill on chimmy lol

pulsar frost
hybrid needle
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Arms has a better damage Profile

wild fractal
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I stuck without rage on singletarget that bothers me alot, like running back and charging

pulsar frost
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You'll be out of rage with a shaman as well

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Lol

hybrid needle
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That

daring jetty
wild fractal
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it helps no ?

pulsar frost
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Its a little better with shaman but once exe hits you're shit out of rage

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Unless you luck out on the 20% chance

hybrid needle
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It helps but you still run out

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Especially in exeqt phase

pulsar frost
deft mantle
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Slayer or Colo for keys?

pulsar frost
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Boths fine

wild fractal
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I see ty

deft mantle
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Should I delay smash for demo every time? Still learning arms and idk if I stay colossus or go slayer

daring jetty
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Depends on the time..

pulsar frost
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I send demo when smash is greater then 10 seconds

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Otherwise I hold demo for smash

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Not smash for demo

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Smash the more important CD

daring jetty
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Oh i read it wrong.. xd

hybrid needle
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If Demo is on cd with 30-40s youll have it back again during the cs Windows due to how cdr works

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Never hold smash for Demo

pulsar frost
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2 crits on MS with sweeping is like 20 secs of cdr

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Lol

deft mantle
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Appreciate yall, thank you

zenith warren
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is M beloren/lura fine with lots of melee dps?

minor gust
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It's fine it's not like crown

dim basalt
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Lura kinda sucks with lots of melees

minor gust
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Belo just needs immunities

dim basalt
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But not nearly as bad as crown

minor gust
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Glaives getting mega nerfed

dim basalt
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Less about glaives but kicks and crystals

lucid atlas
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boys do i use my cleave first in aoe opener or do is use bladestorm first?

minor gust
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BS first

lucid atlas
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is it just to get rage?

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or to get cd faster back?

minor gust
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BS does a lot of dmg get it on CD. Also the difference between pressing BS and doing your cleaves first is negligible. So keep it simple and just press BS

lucid atlas
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ok thx

somber wave
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so I am playing(learning) slayer arms, is it normal to do bear dps on first pulls without stacking bladestorm?

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I am 289, almost full bis, doing 19's

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always shit overall and specially first/big pulls

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I know we are capped but I feel like I am doing something wrong

austere kindle
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feelya bro same for me too

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something is not quite right

untold pewter
somber wave
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yea I love prio and I still do a lot of rotation mistakes

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and it's hard to find positions in melee since my exp is not great but still

austere kindle
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Also a quick questionm shoul i use free cleaves from crushing combo with colatarael damage buff or immediealty

minor gust
wind hatch
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dps warrior in general has a really flat damage profile

latent moss
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we do way more useful damage

minor gust
latent moss
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bear ends at like 500k with aug idk

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we prolly do more actually

minor gust
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500k yeah thats low

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we do more

mild basalt
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yo this is dumb but i'm finally gearing my warrior

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any recs for nullcores

latent moss
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pit

mild basalt
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dungeons in particular i should be farming outside of big raid pieces

minor gust
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fresh warrior = pit always

mild basalt
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understood

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ty

lean geode
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For fury I think MT is some sauce but pit is bis for arms and still pretty good for fury

proper moth
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I geared my warrior in a day just mashing pit

jade ember
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Yeah I coined all the way through Pit, three tier pieces and a crit/haste neck and ring for Arms

proper moth
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Outgears my DH now

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Only need raid trinkets and im full bis lmao

jade ember
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And the crit/haste belt

proper moth
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Sims want the ring combo from NP

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I thought pit ring and crit ring from NP would be better

hybrid needle
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Once you get to about 1000 haste and crit the npx rings sim better

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Common occurence

proper moth
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Gotcha gotcha

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First time really playing the Warrior since last patch of DF lol

hybrid needle
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Pit Ring should still sim better on col

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Npx on slayer

proper moth
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Did the sim as col

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which is why I found it weird lol

hybrid needle
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Now that is.. interesting

proper moth
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I can drop the sim when I get home

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31% crit 25% haste unbuffed

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🤷‍♂️

shadow void
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just found out upgrading a hero trinket to 285 with voidcore means you can upgrade your myth trinket to 285 for free and then voidcore that too

torn rivet
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Lads, as a slayer in m+ do you funnel executes with ss?

hybrid needle
torn rivet
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Lol

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Haha i received that already but I see

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So we follow that like a bible

somber wave
hybrid needle
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If you have the rage yes

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Is the tldr

torn rivet
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And, in st scenarios, if you face rage famine. Do you just chill and wait either for rage or procs?

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Or as soon as a chunk of rage comes in, insta spend?

shadow void
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do you guys run colo in any other dungeons besides pit

hybrid needle
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I insta spent cause every ability can proc a free ability bringing you back into a rotation

minor gust
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slayer 100% of the time

torn rivet
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And finally, for a CS window especially in exec phase, do you pool some rage or rather, ensure you go in CS with some healthy amount of rage (say ~70) so you have rage to do 2xEP MS?

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Or even if you are fully starved you send CS anyway?

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Im pretty much trying to minmax rn and cant tell how tf to figure the answers to these questions myself

hybrid needle
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If cs is coming up Pool a bit. If you have SD proc hold that for cs too

torn rivet
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Alright. Ive been messing some CS windows in crucial moments by being starved, so im glad to hear that

hybrid needle
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You dont wanna ragestarve thru your cs, thats the majority of your dmg

somber wave
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like idk this is first pull in mc 19, without stacking bladestorm, with bl and potion ofc

torn rivet
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And finally, for general improvement, how do you guys do? Watch yt videos of like top arms players running some keys or certain bosses and see what they do?

somber wave
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seems kinda low

minor gust
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that is low you are doing something wrong

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should be 350 no problem

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on mc

somber wave
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sometimes I do more

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this was breakdown

torn rivet
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Just to get it out of the way, sure you hit all mobs?

somber wave
hybrid needle
vagrant hull
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Pally and Rogue are both uncapped correct?

torn rivet
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Your feedback giga helpful

hybrid needle
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Akways keep in mind - if youre about the same damage as the fellow dudes in your dung youre doing fine

torn rivet
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Ah, neah Im trying to refine now

minor gust
# somber wave

breakdown aint gonna help much but could have likely been uptime and missing cleave and DNs. Thats where most people struggle. Happens when you got a pull like that that requires swirl dodging.

torn rivet
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Im at that point where i wanna aim for the sky on arms

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But I just...dont trust myself idk, as if I know i mess something up and i cant point what

hybrid needle
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We all are, but as overall its just impossible to beat certain classes, even with a perfect rotation

torn rivet
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Ah neah, im not into being #1 on details

somber wave
torn rivet
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But I know my arms technique is still flawed a little in some edge cases

somber wave
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like I still constly fuck up my stuff but on first pulls without stacking bs is super painful especially

hybrid needle
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Its not your job to be #1 on details. Its your job to have big funnel damage permanently while the others have cds

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Prio damage*

pulsar frost
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I thibk I've hit 450k on first pull mc 18

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So itd doable higher

torn rivet
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Hmm, didnt look at it that way but that does make sense. However on that idea, I funnel to the point of rage starvation and ofc that is not ideal

minor gust
torn rivet
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sometimes is sometimes isnt

hybrid needle
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Did you play last season of tww?

torn rivet
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Unfortunately not, took a long break from wow in tw2

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Tww

hybrid needle
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Okay, so

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Tldr prio damage saves you time on keys. In tww arcanes overall was bad, but the prio dmg was so good that it didnt matter.
Thats your job now

somber wave
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thanks

minor gust
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yeah positioning for frontal usage is key for arms in general both slayer and colo. Its less of a punishment on slayer than it is colo but it still matters and adds up in aoe

torn rivet
nova marsh
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Our funnel comes from tier + Fervor mostly

sly fog
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Hi Friends, I just finished leveling my warrior. Was going to give him a spin in pve this season, is there any specific dungeon you guys reccomend I use my cores on? Looking like Pit but i wanted to ask the pros

hybrid needle
somber wave
hybrid needle
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You permanently have good funnel. Less than other classes in bursts but CONSISTANT good funnel

solemn helm
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?

nova marsh
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You literally have one bad roll there

solemn helm
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collosul or slayer for algareth academy you guys think?

sly fog
nova marsh
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evreything else is basically bis

nova marsh
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All the way

torn rivet
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It seems I overcomplicated a lot lol

nova marsh
sly fog
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👍

hybrid needle
# torn rivet It seems I overcomplicated a lot lol

Well, you funnel on aoe by default without much to do. Its not really complicated. You just need to remember what your job is.

As an example: With 3 or more mobs you deal 20%+ more damage to one specific mob due to arms funneling kit.

Fury LOSES 15-20% damage on the priority target due to their kit when they aoe

torn rivet
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Yes, I see. I thought the funnel comes on colossus from sweeped MS (more demolishes) and on Slayer from amped up MS on prio target but in all this overcomplication, i have fully forgotten about fervor of battle lol. Dumb thing ive been doing

hybrid needle
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If you compare fury and arms pulls in AA for example (lashers) the arms will have more dmg on them than the fury even if the overall might be lower, due to pad damage.
Now, whats the most important thing? A dead lasher.
More dps doesnt mean better dps

somber wave
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for slayer arms mortal strike is lowest prio in aoe, right? and does it take prio over heroic strike in st?

hybrid needle
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HS is highest prio in st

torn rivet
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Dps is useless if you wipe

somber wave
nova marsh
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for the MS qeustion

torn rivet
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For colo its cleave > hs > ms innit?

hybrid needle
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You NEVER press hs in aoe

torn rivet
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What

nova marsh
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read fervor of battle

torn rivet
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oh yeah i forgor

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That still fks me up sometimes up to this day

dire hinge
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remember that Fervor of Battle also makes your HS hit 50% harder

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so genuinely never press it, you lose a lot of dps in AoE if you manually activate it

torn rivet
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The buff to slam applies to HS?

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Holy

dire hinge
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everything that buffs Slam also buffs HS (because HS == Slam)

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that one little nugget of info helps a lot with me pressing it in AoE

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it's also affected by sweep so it's 50% x 2 HS

nova marsh
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Yeah the buffed one in aoe are yuge value

torn rivet
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thanks guys

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you opened my eyes

dire hinge
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happy to help! But yeah it simplifes the AoE a lot too

torn rivet
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It indeed does, but I have that "get it send it" reaction to HS and I naturally cast it without thinking when I should have cleaved

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I have to unteach myself from doing that

hybrid needle
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Once you get used to it its easy to handle

pulsar frost
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Just dont click ot when it glows

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Or turn off glow

torn rivet
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Lol

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You know i might actually do that

dire hinge
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good habbit to keep in 1-2 target, but yeah just Cleave in AoE

pulsar frost
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Even archi plays with glow off

somber wave
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aoe is just simply bs > cleave x3 > execute > overpower right? spam execute when prio gets 35% and cleave on cd ofc

pulsar frost
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For slayer yes

somber wave
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ye

torn rivet
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i believe you dont cleave in st tho

hybrid needle
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You dont indeed

torn rivet
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especially not in exe range

hybrid needle
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But he said aoe

somber wave
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you dont even cleave in 2 target with buffs

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no?

torn rivet
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Oh i misread

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mb

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Yea I only cleave at 3+ for fervor

dire hinge
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technically it's a small increase to track Collateral Damage stacks and use it in niche cirumstances, but like.... eh

torn rivet
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Btw guys how do you manage your ss stacks? Wondering if you have a better way than looking at the number on an icon

nova marsh
torn rivet
#

w h a t

dire hinge
#

^ yeah i have a little progress bar

hybrid needle
#

Imo cleave with colateral is only good sub 35% with mass Exekution
If u dont run mass Execution dont press it on 2z

somber wave
#

what is ss?

nova marsh
#

Dunno about the other addon improvements for CDM like better CDM

dire hinge
#

Sweeping Strikes

nova marsh
#

damn it

#

hroth types faster

torn rivet
somber wave
nova marsh
somber wave
#

and this

dire hinge
#

there's so many UI addons it's honestly really hard to keep on top of all of them, it's exhausting

nova marsh
#

Cuz I haven't used the other CDM replacements

dire hinge
#

every other week there's some new one, then another one dies

pulsar frost
#

base CDM works enough for me

#

personally

hybrid needle
#

Ngl i feel like sometimes the Sound doesnt play

torn rivet
somber wave
#

using sound from cdm when ss ends helped me a lot

nova marsh
#

Arc UI has worked perfectly for me since xpack launch

somber wave
#

always plays for me

nova marsh
#

arc is mostly just the CDM

#

It's not like Elvui

torn rivet
#

fr?

nova marsh
#

Yeah

torn rivet
#

damn i am missing out

somber wave
#

I use elesmere ui

#

its lit

pulsar frost
#

i keep mine simple, i just have rage bar with number and i keep tracked buffs above it and thats it

nova marsh
#

I'd give it a try only if you really like tinkering with ur UI

torn rivet
hybrid needle
#

You guys would slaughter me if you saw my ui

pulsar frost
#

i just look at my hotbar when in eed to know my cds

nova marsh
#

Do it

#

No balls

dire hinge
#

do whatever works for your brain

#

there's no right answer

hybrid needle
#

Cant, not home

pulsar frost
#

ima try the sound bit you guys keep yapping about

dire hinge
# torn rivet w h a t

my SS is the yellow bar on the left (ArcUI). I show stacks at the bottom too, but tbh i just look to see if there's yellow or not and keep blasting

torn rivet
#

The abilities are directly action bars?

dire hinge
#

yeah fuck the CDM honestly

nova marsh
dire hinge
#

those are all action bars

pulsar frost
#

lmao can have a airhorn blast your ears when SS runs out

#

sounds both lit and annoying af

torn rivet
#

yeah based, i did see it sometimes fucks up other times not

somber wave
#

btw is this what most of you are running for slayer?

pulsar frost
#

ima do that for SS and maybe rend

hybrid needle
pulsar frost
#

i mean i dont really need a sound for anything but SS, maybe smash

hybrid needle
#

Specc out of mass execution and take the ss damage Talent on the right

dire hinge
#

true tho, you can basically remake the Sudden Death cashregister weakaura

pulsar frost
#

but smash i can just look at my tracked buffs and plater debuffs

#

idk if i need for SD since that shit glows when its sd

torn rivet
#

I even forgot it existed

nova marsh
#

Cuz ur only seeing main target

pulsar frost
#

my plater shows al ldebufss added by me

nova marsh
#
  • its easier to see rend on nameplate too
pulsar frost
#

so even if i ignore tracked on cdm i can see it on plater

hybrid needle
#

I track all my debuffs via plater idk why everyone runs an extra tracker tbh

nova marsh
#

My plater only shows cs and rend

dire hinge
#

we need to bring back the best weakaura....

pulsar frost
#

smash would be there as well anyways

#

so i dont really need to track it on cdm but i do anyways

hybrid needle
dire hinge
#

i only track it on my current target as a small progress bar next to the Smash icon itself tbh. I find it clutters nameplates too much

#

but again, no wrong answer

#

do what works for your brain

somber wave
# hybrid needle Yes

no way this is why my first pulls are going poorly, right? xd I copied this exactl build from critcake

halcyon valve
dire hinge
#

yup, very easy

torn rivet
#

Btw guys, do you bother with swing timer or nah?

hybrid needle
pulsar frost
#

hitting dummeis so far, i dont like the SD gold sound as i feel its pointless, might keep the airhorn SS sound tho

dire hinge
#

i'd do it with text though, not an image (helps with resolution)

halcyon valve
#

True true

torn rivet
pulsar frost
#

thinking about the though if getting blasted in my ears when SS drops sounds not too bad

pulsar frost
#

lol

torn rivet
#

Either that or the sound from planes saying "ret*rd" (pull up)

torn rivet
hybrid needle
#

I mean... uis are there to be useful for the player
Just copying from some1 instead of Figuring out for yourself whats best is trolling

pulsar frost
#

i tried to play with like my normal abilitites being tracked by CDM like in the middle where my rage is but i keep looking at my hotbar naturelly

#

so i decided to just go back to hotbars

somber wave
#

we are usuing lights potential for m+ right?

torn rivet
#

I do, yeah, and recklessness in raid

pulsar frost
#

i use reck in m+

hybrid needle
#

I use lights everywhere, idiotproof

pulsar frost
#

it sims 2k better for me

torn rivet
#

Reck sometimes screws me over with poor bl's

#

It is better

#

When it buffs crit

pulsar frost
#

shouldnt effect with drums

#

since drums is % based

#

and not actual stats

torn rivet
#

It does

#

You gotta pot pre-bl or else u get haste, I tested

hybrid needle
#

Ive heard of so many "shouldnt" things with reck pot at this point i just wouldnt bother trying

pulsar frost
#

ive never gotten haste from reck

#

doing it after lust

torn rivet
#

Talking 1000 crit 800 haste stat-wise

#

Hm

#

Maybe ive seen shit then should try again

pulsar frost
#

im talking with 1.15k crit and 1.04k haste

#

so

#

shrug

hybrid needle
#

Probably Berserker rage proc. That happens frequently

nova marsh
#

As in

torn rivet
nova marsh
#

Its impossible to make one rn

torn rivet
#

fair enuff

pulsar frost
hybrid needle
#

Swing timer? Is this classic ?

torn rivet
#

Ah, I see

pulsar frost
#

892 or so haste without flask

#

or oil

#

i also dont go crit flask anymore

#

since sims say haste flask and reck pot is more dps

nova marsh
pulsar frost
torn rivet
#

I see

#

I still have to fix items. I dont have myth weapon in week 9

#

D:

pulsar frost
#

just roll pit

nova marsh
#

time for maxium gamba in pit

torn rivet
#

Lol

hybrid needle
#

Hammer was my first voidcore i used ExcitedBlushette

torn rivet
#

True, starting next reset

pulsar frost
#

had a mastery verse waepon since w2, took a bit to get crit haste tho

#

sadly

torn rivet
#

Gotta get rid of that yee yee ahh crafted weapon and get a juicy myth weap

pulsar frost
torn rivet
#

gaze good ngl

#

Although imo blizz fucked up this season with gaze

#

Bis on all melees

hybrid needle
#

I never expected to raid
Then i pugging chim mythic and Rolled it first try

torn rivet
#

Bruh

pulsar frost
#

Its no different

#

But both were bis on modt classes and specs

torn rivet
#

well, at least its accessible

#

And not lura drop

pulsar frost
#

Tho Imo blizzard did it right here

torn rivet
somber wave
#

if you press ss before timer does it reset?

hybrid needle
#

I ran with a warlock when at the very beginning of the season, to quote him "its always the dogshit players that get the good loot"
Guess he was right okayge

pulsar frost
#

Antenna was harder to get as a second boss trink

#

And no bonus rolls

somber wave
#

hmm so it's a good idea to press it always

pulsar frost
#

Vs chimmy being a 1 boss raid and puggable with bonus rolls

torn rivet
pulsar frost
torn rivet
#

Since cs grants you sweeps, you burn those, then sweep strikes and by the time ur over cs comes back

brave silo
torn rivet
#

And well dont send slams on sweeping strikes as its kinda wasteful imo

hybrid needle
pulsar frost
pulsar frost
hybrid needle
#

Welcome to the Club brother

pulsar frost
#

Highest I've parsed is 99 so sheug

torn rivet
hybrid needle
#

Parsed 99 where

torn rivet
#

Nabz unite

brave silo
#

If you're intentionally holding SS stacks and only SSing when you run out then you risk desyncing SS and CS

proper moth
torn rivet
brave silo
proper moth
#

Wait so we always just send SS?

torn rivet
#

I still feel proud af although idk how tf did I pull it

pulsar frost
hybrid needle
#

😓

torn rivet
#

Man idk why my myth imperator parses are dog af, like 70something

somber wave
brave silo
somber wave
#

but it's still nice to press ss before

proper moth
#

Shit dies too fast

pulsar frost
#

I play both specs. Mainly fury before arms so I havw both specs parses

somber wave
#

I feel like I am not doing enough dmg before all the mobs are gathered up

proper moth
#

And if the last hit of demo doesn’t crit you may aswell wipe the raid

brave silo
somber wave
#

you can just pop parry and start smashing

torn rivet
#

Untill you get none

proper moth
#

Exactly

torn rivet
#

Dies of cringe

proper moth
#

My issue on dragons rn

pulsar frost
#

Ezpz

brave silo
torn rivet
brave silo
#

if you press SS too close to CS coming off cooldown you won't have it available inside your next CS window

pulsar frost
#

Being able to use smash and demo 3 or more times is enjoyable

proper moth
somber wave
pulsar frost
#

Oh

proper moth
pulsar frost
#

I mea. That's kinda expected in raid and you would want stuff to die fast anyways

#

I wish I had this issue

somber wave
pulsar frost
#

But guild ain't the best

hybrid needle
#

Just based on gcd you will always have ss running outside of bloodlust

proper moth
#

Thats okay

somber wave
#

like on this pull here in caverns he does 180k dps before popping cds

#

I am always scared and let tank gather mobs

torn rivet
#

hax

somber wave
#

but you can just pop parry I guess

proper moth
#

It’s easier for me to play arms over Devourer in raid

#

Lmao

torn rivet
#

imo critcake has that chinese genes

brave silo
#

I just tell the tank to get some solid threat on the first couple of mobs - and then just make sure you're only hitting them

torn rivet
#

With extra passive dps

brave silo
#

like in NPX is good

somber wave
torn rivet
#

Lol

pulsar frost
#

His playing with a stack his been playing eith for a while now. The tank knows how to aggro

pulsar frost
#

So this isnt exacrally the best or fair comparison

torn rivet
pulsar frost
#

Im able at times to hit mobs while gathers

hybrid needle
#

I had a bear in aa with 600k dps first pull. I was nowhere close near the end

pulsar frost
#

We're not fury warriors

proper moth
#

Lmaooo

torn rivet
#

I usually only rend while gathering and then, when stacked, i drop the bomba

pulsar frost
#

I say this since you can watch nox get out dps when his bear tank has incar in big pulls

torn rivet
#

æugh, fury warriors D: fury bad

proper moth
#

So are we likely to keep a flat dmg profile the whole xpac unless we get some crazy item?

torn rivet
#

..kinda, yeah

pulsar frost
#

Is ours flat?

hybrid needle
#

I mean

pulsar frost
#

Colo is kinda not flat

torn rivet
#

I mean dunno what crazy item means to you

pulsar frost
#

Slayer maybe kinda flat but not as bad as fury

hybrid needle
#

Colo is flat too

pulsar frost
#

Flat as in

#

?

hybrid needle
#

We arent "bursty" in aoe due to capped targets

dire hinge
#

everything is farmable right now basically 👀

pulsar frost
#

I mean colo is kinda bursty

#

Slayer isnt tho

torn rivet
#

Bursty for 2s, yeah

hybrid needle
#

And if they uncap us we will obliterate any dungeon

torn rivet
#

yup

pulsar frost
#

I mean even 2 seconds of a big pulls bursty is nice

torn rivet
#

We hit on two targets like others hit on 8

hybrid needle
#

Theyd have to rework whole warrior if they decide to uncap us

pulsar frost
#

Cleave. Demo all hit more

#

Demo hits 8 before damage reduction

torn rivet
#

Outside of cleave, demo and bs, you dont

pulsar frost
#

Rend is also uncapped

torn rivet
#

And you still match them

dire hinge
#

pretty sure we dont have hard caps outside of SS, we only have soft caps

pulsar frost
#

I mean cleave is our main aoe anyways

torn rivet
#

eh actually my argument is shit yea we always cleave lul

pulsar frost
#

Bladestorm is also uncapped or reduced beyond 8

hybrid needle
#

You keep forgetting thst we have the MOST constant damage outside of cds in aoe

#

Warr cds are just Medium buffs, not bursts with high cds

torn rivet
#

hmm, but maybe he is on to something I mean as long as its 3t+ you can pull off 3 demos in 2 cs

#

So..i mean..bomba?

pulsar frost
#

I havw no issues with our damage tbh. Sure I might not do the highest aoe burst in mega pulls but I do generally end up first in overall anyways

#

By the end of dungeon snd I do decent good ST now so im content

dire hinge
#

i just push buttons gladge

pulsar frost
#

Its not exactally hard

#

Espically if lucky eith crits

torn rivet
#

Well i mean, given packs die in 3 cs windows

#

Havent seen them live longer than that

pulsar frost
#

Remember. Ms crit is 2 stacks which is 10 secs. X 2 due to sweeping

#

That alone is 20 sec of cdr

torn rivet
#

But i aint the big guy here, I barely got to 18 keys

pulsar frost
#

Then the 1 stack from cleave

torn rivet
#

So yeah i suc

pulsar frost
#

Not hard

torn rivet
#

Agreed

hybrid needle
pulsar frost
#

You should be able to cdr and get 3 demo uses in 18s

#

I've done that in 16s evens

torn rivet
#

Ngl, I think slayer shiny in M+

#

But colo just hits that tism

pulsar frost
#

I mean this was before slayer buffs

little trellis
#

when do i mortal strike in execute phase as slayer? if ever?

pulsar frost
#

I dont play much colo now

hybrid needle
#

Slayer is more pug friendly cause u dont care what the tank does with the mobs

pulsar frost
torn rivet
torn rivet
#

man that shit is unreal

pulsar frost
#

Can leap while casting

torn rivet
#

Wait what

pulsar frost
#

Can leap while demoing

#

Appete tly

torn rivet
#

Like midcast?

pulsar frost
#

Ye

torn rivet
#

Lol tf

pulsar frost
#

I haven't done it but the cracked warriors said it before

hybrid needle
#

Thats the first time i heard that

dire hinge
#

and charge/intervene

pulsar frost
#

See even hrothmae says it

dire hinge
#

been a thing since TWW

pulsar frost
#

Didn't know about charge tho

torn rivet
#

I mean yeah but its not all that useful when the mobs end up surrounding me instead of being in front of me no?

#

Its not like I can leap and turn around 180 mid demo

dire hinge
#

you can leap backward too 😉

pulsar frost
#

Leap behind them or if they mcoe more into them

#

Leap sideways idk

dire hinge
#

also Demo is a square that comes out slightly behind you

hybrid needle
#

Biz tends to manually jump before channeling so he Hits while airborne, looks funny

pulsar frost
#

I've never had issues with demo tvh

#

I just send it

torn rivet
pulsar frost
#

It'll do top overall idrc

#

Lol

shadow iron
#

Voidclaw gauntlets decent for arms or better stated gloves the play.

torn rivet
#

well to me its rare

#

Sim?

pulsar frost
#

I just play the game and hit buttons

#

Tbh

hybrid needle
shadow iron
#

Betski

pulsar frost
#

Voidgloves Sims better for me

#

Then the wind runner haste crit ones

hybrid needle
#

If voidgloves sim better for you in aoe something is wrong

pulsar frost
#

not fully right tho, even critcake and a few others is using voidgloves

#

you gonna tell critcake his playing it wrong or simming wrong?

torn rivet
#

XD

pulsar frost
#

pretty sure a few others here use void like kha

torn rivet
#

tbh idk how critcake is able to play so fluently

hexed saddle
torn rivet
#

I sometimes have to spam a button, other times I press it and doesnt send, other times my target isnt in range but all else is and I click ms like nub

#

But critcake?

pulsar frost
torn rivet
#

hes gifted

hybrid needle
#

Critcake and kha both are very progressive raiders which Puts gauntlets at a way higher prio

hexed saddle
hybrid needle
#

Trust the Robot. I havent seen a sim with decent gear where gloves were better at 5+ targets but i could be wrong

pulsar frost
#

even when i go back to crit and light pot its a dps loss at 5t

hexed saddle
#

its also like an entirely negligible difference

pulsar frost
#

5t with reck and haste flask gives me the secondary stats are very close tho

hybrid needle
#

Full sim where

pulsar frost
#

tell me if i did sims wrong tho

hybrid needle
#

I wouldnt say wrong. I usually just sim 1 minute for aoe and only use the buffs i expext to have in m+
As Xan said its pm neglectable, so far ive only seen worse Sims on MT, so thats a new one

pulsar frost
hybrid needle
#

I had both and went with the crit haste since it Simmed better and still does. Droptimizer for me is -0.3% if i go with what youve simmed (5T, 5M)

Its neglectable, but going with plain stats takes out the rng value of your dmg, so imo always an upside. And again, MOST Sims ive seen Favor crithaste gloves

hybrid needle
brave silo
#

Does leaping/charging mid demo cancel any of the damage? I know that jumping just straight up cancels demo.

tulip breach
#

anyone else unable to track tactical edge with cd manager?

#

the buff is just not showing up on the bar

stable fiber
#

you cant charge mid demolish

lament plank
#

Reason we don't take Ravager as Slayer, wouldnt the 50% increase dmg be great towards cleave?

stable fiber
lament plank
#

fair enough haha

stable fiber
#

i dont remember if it was fury or arms but one of them did not take bladestorm as slayer

#

because it was so bad at some point

#

but its since been buffed to a point that its way better then ravager

#

for slayer atleast

lament plank
#

Awesome thank you ^_^

lean geode
#

I don't think it's in CDM but should be trackable by addons

#

Might even be able to make a weakaura for it

languid torrent
#

<@&257983573498265600>

dusk path
lean geode
#

@minor gust @tulip breach @latent moss

minor gust
lean geode
#

Give that a whirl if you'd like

#

It's extremely barebones

#

I don't really know what I'm doing

nova marsh
#

Cuz fury took avatar

proper moth
rare kite
# nova marsh It was fury

he mentioned ravager right after tho, so it has to be about the time arms slayer took ravager instead of bladestorm in undermine

#

no?

nova marsh
#

ahhhh

#

True cuz in undermine they made slayer work with rava irrc

#

It's happened a few times then

rare kite
nova marsh
#

I swear at some point slayer's BS triggers worked with ravager

#

for a little bit

lean geode
#

None of the slayer BS nodes affected rav though

#

Ravager slarms just played without half its hero talents

nova marsh
#

God poor bladestorm

vestal smelt
#

how are the 2 hero talents compared for m+?

lean geode
#

Both good for different reasons

#

Slayer easier for pugs or if your tank isn't bringing adds onto boss for you to funnel

vestal smelt
#

I wonder if my sims were wrong then. I simmed the 2 builds on 1, 2, 3, 5, and 10 targets and slayer was ahead I think 18% on 1 target but was behind anywhere from 12-16% on 2-10 targets

#

But then for slayer I seem to perform slightly better? Not sure if it's a fair comparison as I'm only doing 10s

tulip breach
lean geode
#

wago appears to be moderately chalked

#

I can send you the zip

#

it's very scuffed but it works

nova marsh
#

Meanwhile slayer has actual st and pretty good aoe

vestal smelt
#

I prefer slayer anyway. To me any variation of Arms warrior that doesn't have you press bladestorm, you may as well play any other melee spec

nova marsh
#

Ahem

#

Glances at the variety of melee specs with a channel

vestal smelt
#

Not about the channel tbh. It's about spin to win being the most iconic ability from a warrior (well barbarian in D2)

#

Plus, slayer allows you to stun and kick while channeling. I came off of playing WW monk early in the season when 35% of our total combat time was channeling fists of fury where you can't even press an ogcd defensive without it cancelling and bricking your damage

nova marsh
#

Spin to win is overrated tbh

nova marsh
#

"OH HERE I GO, I'M GONNA SP-" opponent slashes you right across your back

vestal smelt
#

shrugs off the tiny puny hits like a chad while spinning on them nerds

nova marsh
#

Look

#

if u want real spin to win

#

S3 DF Fervor build

vestal smelt
#

If you say spinning crane kick rn

nova marsh
#

NOW THAT SHIT

#

That shit was spin to win

#

(Even if it was a meme build)

vestal smelt
#

Oh just arms in general in that season was peak tbh

#

Even without the fervour meme

balmy kindle
#

I think we will get nerfed though, hit res 17 3606 and I see lobbies calling for war👀

#

Please blizz let us last to s2 copium

nova marsh
#

I think we'll last till S2

#

and then get fucking murked

minor gust
latent moss
#

wdym incoming fob nerf

minor gust
#

well only get nerfs tho if rets and dks kick up a shit storm about it

latent moss
#

is there something

minor gust
#

till then no one knows or cares

latent moss
#

im unaware of

minor gust
#

you know blizzard is itching to take away our fun

latent moss
#

nah they wont

balmy kindle
#

Enjoy the io sirs keks , maybe reroll inc for s2 KEKW

rare kite
pulsar frost
#

we'll be fine probably

#

at least we''ll have our 72 min 5% increase attack power buff

#

:D

nova marsh
#

I mean tbh

#

I'm more worried about next tier sucking mega dick

rare kite
#

can't be worse than this tier

latent moss
#

he meant tierset

#

and it can very easily be worse

#

our current tierset is carrying us so hard

pulsar frost
#

ye

#

our current set is goated

rare kite
#

oh tierset yea that can easily be worse

#

it prob will be

latent moss
#

surely

pulsar frost
#

have some faith folks

latent moss
#

the 4p just replaces 4th apex

#

right

#

4th apex is so fucking cringe

pulsar frost
#

lmao youre funny

rare kite
#

i don't mind 4th apex concept. needs a duration increase tho for m+ and just downtime

pulsar frost
#

i dont even remember what it does

latent moss
#

every hs increases next cs amp

#

its insanely strong

#

but it just falls off in m+

#

due to downtime

#

👍

#

me when i deal 15% less damage cause of downtime

rare kite
#

falls off on alleria as well, dumbass intermission

#

run around get hit by every other arrow. braindead boring

minor gust
nova marsh
#

Alliera worst boss since slyvie

#

Change my mind

rare kite
#

we are only 3 melee. it is by far the least enjoyable fight of my life thus far

slow saddle
#

We are halfway on palas

hybrid needle
#

M+ > Raid change my mind

nova marsh
#

Raid is a mini game

balmy kindle
nova marsh
#

I stg

balmy kindle
#

Strong in m+ >> average in both

nova marsh
#

Evrey windrunner is a terrible raid boss

slow saddle
nova marsh
#

Next up: blizz makes Varessa the worst fight of all time too!

slow saddle
#

Sylvie at least u fought entire time

hybrid needle
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Every windrunner in lore is not the smartest and easily manipulated

rare kite
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normally i really like raid. this raid is something else(in a bad way)

slow saddle
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Id rathrr say sylv hc coz p1 was sad

nova marsh
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I heard mythic slyvie was fun

slow saddle
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Ive had the same feelin. That some how as melee

nova marsh
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Heroic slyvie was most certainly not

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That shit sucked

hybrid needle
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I loved the shadowlands anduin tho. U know, the one u could beat up. Best Version of him okayge

slow saddle
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Mythic p1 was fun

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And p3

nova marsh
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actually

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yeah Anduin was a pretty fun fight

hybrid needle
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I hope we got to beat up Arator too okayge

nova marsh
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kinda cool amp, downstairs was pretty okay, only downside is parries

rare kite
balmy kindle
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^^ not enjoying the current raid too because of that

nova marsh
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Blizz should just

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make evrey boss have hit boxes the size of the sun at this point

balmy kindle
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Spend more time running around, then doing 10s of uptime is utter ass

nova marsh
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If ranged is just gonna be hard meta anyways, why bother with the melee dance at this point

hybrid needle
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Blizz should make the game easier for melee and harder for range
Have you played a range? That is such an easy life its crazy

balmy kindle
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Do your DMG in 3 gcds

nova marsh
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...okay ret I get but windwalker?

balmy kindle
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They were in the rwf no?