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no but ive been considering it when i was in raid
i do it a lot in m+
i did a key with gio and had 2 more bladestorms then him
idk could be a rng thing
Oh I know lol
But knowing them it's a shocker they havent "spiced" things up
Honestly I'm surprised March took that long
Maybe soontm
At its core, I think this comes down to historical context and connotation, at least among native english speakers. There is certainly an argument to be made about "reclaiming" the term in the same way other derogatory terms have been, but I'm not personally convinced of that, nor do I think its usage in cases like yours is really an active reclamation as much as they are a passive, implicit reinforcement of the historical connotation.
At the risk of writing a wall of text on a subject well outside my own area of expertise, I encourage reflection upon the specifics of that term vs other adjectives that apply to the situation. I'll use a more extreme example; if someone is complaining a lot, you might call them a crybaby. You are describing them as immature and fragile, incapable of handling adversity and keeping minor inconveniences in context. If you instead call them a bitch, or say that they are bitching, you are comparing them (according to the historical context around the word) to a woman, and that's kind of it. If we extend that train of thought slightly further, the implicit contention is that a woman is even more immature, even more incapable of handling adversity, etc. than a literal baby - it's not hard to see why that implicit contention is inherently misogynistic
Wasn't voidspire hof cleared like a month ago
:essaying:
yeah
crazy shit
also march took awhile cause a lot of guilds struggle with beloren
What the f is wrong with bigbowl today
then they nerfed the boss and they killed it quick
Today?
then had to spend 300-400 pulls on l'ura
Ahh
Question
potentional answer
Blade rush over anything right?
And do we press blade flurry only for the buff or whenever its off cd for dmg
I think it's bladerush over anything that isn't BTE or AR
And blade flurry is off cd
cuz that shit actually does a lot on activation
Oh... so i dont have to track the buff cause i use it frequently enough
.....oh
Ive just been rerershing it every 12s..
The only real things you need to track on outlaw is Roll the bones, maybe Between the eyes, and absoutlely apex
because apex is weird
and has a delayed activation on the reset
I do understand, having 2 stacks of SD is already quite lucky but 3 is insane (imo) so cleaving in middle was obvious for me but can be wrong
And, do you BS without CS If you're lucky and like, CS come back in 15 seconds ? i always wait
Cuz BTE needs to deal damage before it resets...why I have no idea when ace is instant
Woxtox said it just replaces dispatch in prio list too, so its down the line
always BS with CS
even if you have to wait for CS, you dont have to wait for avatar
Oh yeah
flurry also gives you a crap ton of combo points
So another reason to send that shit
Yeah 1 per target iirc
ok thx for confirming what i was thinking
I domt like Prep, resetting everything every 4m kills my brain
How in the world did you manage that
Godrolled ?
and im like the lowest ilvl main character in the top 50 guilds
smh
spooned for sure
chat what did we mean by this
Nah brewj is spoonfed
I just saw wall of text sooo
That's extremely on brand for me
Yeah you and like most of evreyone who plays outlaw
It's so bloody awkward
Sir rogue. I hit 3600 today apparently
Are you proud of me
Ofc
Lets just not specc it then. What else can i take

Im proud of you too
You can take summarily dispatched but it's honestly not worth vs prep unfort
Timing nexus 18 with 11 deaths and 2 full wipes is funny af
Honestly I'm kinda hoping they just shoot prep already
I mean
Rogues fine no?
They're still kinda meta option for physical comps
If i forget the Button or missuse it anyways who cares right
I always invite Outlaws if i see them
Which are
Their overall is crazy
I only invite rogues if they're decently higher io
Outlaw, warriors, I wonna say hunters?
Or when I have brez or lust filled
That's 3 sir
fury, arms, feral, bm, IDK ROGUE SPEC PROFILES
Really?
Oh you're counting specs. Was thinking classes
if you play DR
Oh right
I mean look at this
Dark ranger exists I forgot about that one
if you play DR you do shadow damage but i dont think its meta
Im just a bad warrior. I will never reach your level
But suffer st since you don't get funnel 
yeah ok pack leader bm hunter is purely physical
Im not a good warrior
wrong mindset to have
DR is like 40/60 i think
always gotta try ngl
You're probably better then me mr dracz
Dont worry, you are atleast not bad as me.
How do you define being good
even if I think I'm bad
You right. I wanna try to WTB sbamans
I'll always try
Where to buy shamans
shaman store
That's not enhancements
smells like weed
I had to beg this enhancement shaman to skyfury me in nexus
With Fury i can do 180-200k overall but not with arms... i loose too much on ST where im pulling about 80k
NEVER EVER invite enhancement shams. Theyre literally all trolling. Not a Single decent one out there
Should be able to do it on arms. Slayer arms st should be also better then fury
Or somewhat ahead
Id like to make a fury set soon or later since arms gearing is done
Dmg Profile is a thing tho. Fury has way too much pad for my Taste currently
Slayer fury isnt really padding like thane
Noooo Slayer Fury should be about 5% higher dps but whatever i try as slayer i just cant hit any good ST dps..
I've always done better ST on arms then fury so maybe itd a skill issue on my hand
At least for keys
Slury still loses st dmg in a aoe Situation doe to the ww prio
Well you probably just play Arms better.. for me i have the oposite issue.
Idk about that. Id like to think myself as mainly a fury player thats judt playing arms this season
My fury numbers are still close despite me being mainly haste crit
Are you heavy fury stats as arms?
How you just pull ST? I usually Avatar + smash into blade and after that just cleave, exe, overpower or slam whatever is available from these
961 crit, 926 haste 533 mastery This is ofc with a crit pot that gives me 152 crit.
Thats not a bad spread tbf
Yep, the issue is in me§
Well you dont cleave in sT
Ms > SD > op
Did i already mention im a bad arms meself
I cant figure out what is SD
Sudden death
Aah
My ST in keys is horrible
How horrible is is horrible
Im usually too around 70-80k 😄
Holdon
But usually when im watching someone like critcake he has atleast one additional mob with boss, which i do believe helps you a lot with rage etc and ofc the dps on the boss.
Is fine. 75-120k
I swear critcake does 20% more dps by default
By sim my ST dps is 95k which is not great
This is me on vexamus +15
didnt u know blizzard gave Critcake 20% more dps?? 🫃
I feel like im missing too much on execute.. ofc it depends also on how many procs you get.. which will also be affected if any mobs are with that boss.
he has a dmg amp irl 20%
Sometimes it really does feel like it that streamers just have extra dmg as bonus 😄
if i get grabbed in skryeach last boss can I leap to come back?
Not that im aware of
Iirc you cant, itll say not in line of sight
Unless you're judt that quick
okok, warlock can use teleport wondered if warrior has a similar privilege
Well i guess like this
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8vjE1N5omoasKTxgmRttfh
Only abilitys that do not need a target or target area work
mmm makes sense
Oh youre a puzzlebox enjoyer ?
No.. i just dont have anything else 😄
It is amazing for fury.. still hate it as its annoying as hell.. but i did not get a proper trinket for Arms i would love.
Id run gaze and heart on both speccs. F the puzzlebox
Yeah i did not get the Gaze yet.. not on heroic or mythic at all.
Im waiting for it
I saw gaze drop since the start of the season ONCE.
Did not help unfortunately.
3 times and its guaranteed
Well i guess next raid i get it, good to know
Gaze was my first thing i rolled when it came out
On that tuseday. Pugged it then rolled never have to come bsck again
Is potion of recklessness used mostly for Arms ? because i would kinda hope it would give me haste.. but i just get crit because its just second highest as it suppose to be..
Just dont troll and roll on heroic
Idk why so many people roll heroic
Use light till you have enough stats to use reck
Some people do. I use lights potential since u dont have to cancel procs ect
But its a sim question
how much dps do I lose if I play without windfury buff ?
I used lights till I had enough of both stats and reck Sims better now
I think its around 10%
8-10%
But its a lot judt not having the bjff
its crazy lol
Man nobody’s taking my garbage ass in mythic Chimaerus
Why not
If I can get in you can too
Well i mean
Make your own group, set 5 marks, kill it in 3-4 pulls max
That easy
The kill group i had those weeks ago was a 2 kill pull
I joined one of the famous "FAST BLAST ONLY MULTI CE" groups and we actually killed it first try. Was crazy
Now vora was annoying. Wish I farmed it before I did keys
Not really, most people are just NPCs themselfs.. i tried last week to pug it and didnt make it in 3 hours and i gave up.. first week i missed because guild already killed it and i was on a trip.
Its ok. My guild doesnt really do mythic dtuff so I have to pug both trinks
how much does fury lose without windfury maybe I play if I don't get shaman
I was weeks ahead of semi guild kill on chimmy lol
You can play arms without shammy
Arms has a better damage Profile
I stuck without rage on singletarget that bothers me alot, like running back and charging
That
Well we are trying to progress lightguards now.. not fun. Not the best guild but we are trying.
it helps no ?
Its a little better with shaman but once exe hits you're shit out of rage
Unless you luck out on the 20% chance
Its nice to have. Espically if you hit the 20% chance but youll be out of rage still
Slayer or Colo for keys?
Boths fine
I see ty
Should I delay smash for demo every time? Still learning arms and idk if I stay colossus or go slayer
Depends on the time..
I send demo when smash is greater then 10 seconds
Otherwise I hold demo for smash
Not smash for demo
Smash the more important CD
Oh i read it wrong.. xd
If Demo is on cd with 30-40s youll have it back again during the cs Windows due to how cdr works
Never hold smash for Demo
Appreciate yall, thank you
is M beloren/lura fine with lots of melee dps?
It's fine it's not like crown
Lura kinda sucks with lots of melees
Belo just needs immunities
But not nearly as bad as crown
Less about glaives but kicks and crystals
boys do i use my cleave first in aoe opener or do is use bladestorm first?
BS first
BS does a lot of dmg get it on CD. Also the difference between pressing BS and doing your cleaves first is negligible. So keep it simple and just press BS
ok thx
so I am playing(learning) slayer arms, is it normal to do bear dps on first pulls without stacking bladestorm?
I am 289, almost full bis, doing 19's
always shit overall and specially first/big pulls
I know we are capped but I feel like I am doing something wrong
We're just not that explosive but our prio target is great
yea I love prio and I still do a lot of rotation mistakes
and it's hard to find positions in melee since my exp is not great but still
Also a quick questionm shoul i use free cleaves from crushing combo with colatarael damage buff or immediealty
use without coll
just send
You should be doing more than bear but yeah it's normal for Slayer to not reach high peaks on first pull but that's not slayer's strength slayer's strength is doing that same damage every single pull every single time which is why we still end up with super high overall.
dps warrior in general has a really flat damage profile
idk if we do more than bear
we do way more useful damage
maybe I havent played with a good bear since nerfs so I cant 100% say for certain
pit
dungeons in particular i should be farming outside of big raid pieces
fresh warrior = pit always
For fury I think MT is some sauce but pit is bis for arms and still pretty good for fury
I geared my warrior in a day just mashing pit
Yeah I coined all the way through Pit, three tier pieces and a crit/haste neck and ring for Arms
And the crit/haste belt
Sims want the ring combo from NP
I thought pit ring and crit ring from NP would be better
Once you get to about 1000 haste and crit the npx rings sim better
Common occurence
Now that is.. interesting
just found out upgrading a hero trinket to 285 with voidcore means you can upgrade your myth trinket to 285 for free and then voidcore that too
Lads, as a slayer in m+ do you funnel executes with ss?
no but without stacking bladestorm I literally do less than bear on first pulls with bl and potion
And, in st scenarios, if you face rage famine. Do you just chill and wait either for rage or procs?
Or as soon as a chunk of rage comes in, insta spend?
do you guys run colo in any other dungeons besides pit
I insta spent cause every ability can proc a free ability bringing you back into a rotation
And finally, for a CS window especially in exec phase, do you pool some rage or rather, ensure you go in CS with some healthy amount of rage (say ~70) so you have rage to do 2xEP MS?
Or even if you are fully starved you send CS anyway?
Im pretty much trying to minmax rn and cant tell how tf to figure the answers to these questions myself
If cs is coming up Pool a bit. If you have SD proc hold that for cs too
Alright. Ive been messing some CS windows in crucial moments by being starved, so im glad to hear that
You dont wanna ragestarve thru your cs, thats the majority of your dmg
like idk this is first pull in mc 19, without stacking bladestorm, with bl and potion ofc
And finally, for general improvement, how do you guys do? Watch yt videos of like top arms players running some keys or certain bosses and see what they do?
seems kinda low
Just to get it out of the way, sure you hit all mobs?
Pretty much.
Im not comparing dmg tho since their pulls never are the same as yours, i Compare rotation and positioning
Pally and Rogue are both uncapped correct?
Thanks a lot fellow arms chad
Your feedback giga helpful
Akways keep in mind - if youre about the same damage as the fellow dudes in your dung youre doing fine
Ah, neah Im trying to refine now
breakdown aint gonna help much but could have likely been uptime and missing cleave and DNs. Thats where most people struggle. Happens when you got a pull like that that requires swirl dodging.
Im at that point where i wanna aim for the sky on arms
But I just...dont trust myself idk, as if I know i mess something up and i cant point what
We all are, but as overall its just impossible to beat certain classes, even with a perfect rotation
Ah neah, im not into being #1 on details
what are dns? I think I forget to press ms during cs window with executioner's precision stacks etc
But I know my arms technique is still flawed a little in some edge cases
like I still constly fuck up my stuff but on first pulls without stacking bs is super painful especially
Its not your job to be #1 on details. Its your job to have big funnel damage permanently while the others have cds
Prio damage*
Hmm, didnt look at it that way but that does make sense. However on that idea, I funnel to the point of rage starvation and ofc that is not ideal
Dreadnaught the aoe line that comes from you and your target from casting OP, Also MS in aoe even with CS + EP doesnt really matter dmg difference from using it and not using it is low af
sometimes is sometimes isnt
Did you play last season of tww?
Okay, so
Tldr prio damage saves you time on keys. In tww arcanes overall was bad, but the prio dmg was so good that it didnt matter.
Thats your job now
hmm so you have to position yourself same way as if you had demolish I guess? have as many targets in front of you as possible? I didn't even know that xd
thanks
yeah positioning for frontal usage is key for arms in general both slayer and colo. Its less of a punishment on slayer than it is colo but it still matters and adds up in aoe
To be sure, prio dmg means focusing the dangerous mobs to kill them asap, right? So we even funnel other low hp mobs' via execute into buffed MS on prio target
execute isn't where our funnel comes from
Our funnel comes from tier + Fervor mostly
Hi Friends, I just finished leveling my warrior. Was going to give him a spin in pve this season, is there any specific dungeon you guys reccomend I use my cores on? Looking like Pit but i wanted to ask the pros
Prio dmg is focusing one specific mob yes. Funnel is getting more dmg by having more targets around
yea I am still stuggling with positioning and not fucking up my rotation at the same time, sadly there is no dreadnaught tracking in dmg meters
You permanently have good funnel. Less than other classes in bursts but CONSISTANT good funnel
?
If you're fresh, all in on pit
You literally have one bad roll there
collosul or slayer for algareth academy you guys think?
Perfect, yeah the char is 217 so im fresh fresh. Sounds good
evreything else is basically bis
slayer
All the way
Clear as day, thank you my man
It seems I overcomplicated a lot lol
Do ritual sites, world quests, and delves before u go for 10s
👍
Well, you funnel on aoe by default without much to do. Its not really complicated. You just need to remember what your job is.
As an example: With 3 or more mobs you deal 20%+ more damage to one specific mob due to arms funneling kit.
Fury LOSES 15-20% damage on the priority target due to their kit when they aoe
Yes, I see. I thought the funnel comes on colossus from sweeped MS (more demolishes) and on Slayer from amped up MS on prio target but in all this overcomplication, i have fully forgotten about fervor of battle lol. Dumb thing ive been doing
If you compare fury and arms pulls in AA for example (lashers) the arms will have more dmg on them than the fury even if the overall might be lower, due to pad damage.
Now, whats the most important thing? A dead lasher.
More dps doesnt mean better dps
for slayer arms mortal strike is lowest prio in aoe, right? and does it take prio over heroic strike in st?
HS is highest prio in st
hah, yeah that is a new mentality to me. Pugged my whole life, and now I have a guild with which I finally did group m+ and yeah, this is the pure truth
Dps is useless if you wipe
yea thats what I've been doing
For slayer yes, for colo no
for the MS qeustion
For colo its cleave > hs > ms innit?
You NEVER press hs in aoe
What
remember that Fervor of Battle also makes your HS hit 50% harder
so genuinely never press it, you lose a lot of dps in AoE if you manually activate it
everything that buffs Slam also buffs HS (because HS == Slam)
that one little nugget of info helps a lot with me pressing it in AoE
it's also affected by sweep so it's 50% x 2 HS
Yeah the buffed one in aoe are yuge value
happy to help! But yeah it simplifes the AoE a lot too
It indeed does, but I have that "get it send it" reaction to HS and I naturally cast it without thinking when I should have cleaved
I have to unteach myself from doing that
Once you get used to it its easy to handle
good habbit to keep in 1-2 target, but yeah just Cleave in AoE
Even archi plays with glow off
aoe is just simply bs > cleave x3 > execute > overpower right? spam execute when prio gets 35% and cleave on cd ofc
For slayer yes
ye
i believe you dont cleave in st tho
You dont indeed
especially not in exe range
But he said aoe
technically it's a small increase to track Collateral Damage stacks and use it in niche cirumstances, but like.... eh
Btw guys how do you manage your ss stacks? Wondering if you have a better way than looking at the number on an icon
with arc ui u can make it into a bar
w h a t
^ yeah i have a little progress bar
Imo cleave with colateral is only good sub 35% with mass Exekution
If u dont run mass Execution dont press it on 2z
what is ss?
Dunno about the other addon improvements for CDM like better CDM
Sweeping Strikes
do you perhaps know if the same can be achieved with AyjieCDM?
I have a sound when it ends same way as critcake
Genuinely no idea
there's so many UI addons it's honestly really hard to keep on top of all of them, it's exhausting
Cuz I haven't used the other CDM replacements
every other week there's some new one, then another one dies
Ngl i feel like sometimes the Sound doesnt play
Yeah pretty much, I avoided ArcUI because its an entire UI lol
using sound from cdm when ss ends helped me a lot
Arc UI has worked perfectly for me since xpack launch
I made this with arcui
always plays for me
fr?
Yeah
damn i am missing out
i keep mine simple, i just have rage bar with number and i keep tracked buffs above it and thats it
I'd give it a try only if you really like tinkering with ur UI
Ill get that stuff it looks amazing. Clean and simple
You guys would slaughter me if you saw my ui
i just look at my hotbar when in eed to know my cds
Cant, not home
ima try the sound bit you guys keep yapping about
my SS is the yellow bar on the left (ArcUI). I show stacks at the bottom too, but tbh i just look to see if there's yellow or not and keep blasting
The abilities are directly action bars?
yeah fuck the CDM honestly
yeah I do that too
those are all action bars
lmao can have a airhorn blast your ears when SS runs out
sounds both lit and annoying af
yeah based, i did see it sometimes fucks up other times not
btw is this what most of you are running for slayer?
ima do that for SS and maybe rend
Close but no
i mean i dont really need a sound for anything but SS, maybe smash
Specc out of mass execution and take the ss damage Talent on the right
true tho, you can basically remake the Sudden Death cashregister weakaura
but smash i can just look at my tracked buffs and plater debuffs
idk if i need for SD since that shit glows when its sd
proper gold right there I miss that soo badly
I even forgot it existed
Smash is bad to track imo
Cuz ur only seeing main target
my plater shows al ldebufss added by me
- its easier to see rend on nameplate too
so even if i ignore tracked on cdm i can see it on plater
I track all my debuffs via plater idk why everyone runs an extra tracker tbh
My plater only shows cs and rend
this one?
we need to bring back the best weakaura....
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smash would be there as well anyways
so i dont really need to track it on cdm but i do anyways
Yes
i only track it on my current target as a small progress bar next to the Smash icon itself tbh. I find it clutters nameplates too much
but again, no wrong answer
do what works for your brain
no way this is why my first pulls are going poorly, right? xd I copied this exactl build from critcake
- create an image that is just the activate windows text on a transparent background
- make an addon that just displays the image in the bottom corner and nothing else
yup, very easy
Btw guys, do you bother with swing timer or nah?
No thats not the reason. Its just stronger in scenarios with less than ~8 targets which is almost always the case
hitting dummeis so far, i dont like the SD gold sound as i feel its pointless, might keep the airhorn SS sound tho
i'd do it with text though, not an image (helps with resolution)
True true
If SD doesnt have that cash register sound then its not good
thinking about the though if getting blasted in my ears when SS drops sounds not too bad
i dont need it, my shit glows and gets an umber 2 on it
lol
Either that or the sound from planes saying "ret*rd" (pull up)
ye but tbh i dont lower my eyes often
I mean... uis are there to be useful for the player
Just copying from some1 instead of Figuring out for yourself whats best is trolling
i tried to play with like my normal abilitites being tracked by CDM like in the middle where my rage is but i keep looking at my hotbar naturelly
so i decided to just go back to hotbars
we are usuing lights potential for m+ right?
I do, yeah, and recklessness in raid
i use reck in m+
I use lights everywhere, idiotproof
it sims 2k better for me
Ive heard of so many "shouldnt" things with reck pot at this point i just wouldnt bother trying
Probably Berserker rage proc. That happens frequently
Swing timer is gone atm
As in
Thats with flasks or without?
Its impossible to make one rn
fair enuff
haste is with haste flask, crit is base crit
Swing timer? Is this classic ?
Ah, I see
892 or so haste without flask
or oil
i also dont go crit flask anymore
since sims say haste flask and reck pot is more dps
to be fair, a swing timer is useful for if u have to charge weave
just roll pit
time for maxium gamba in pit
Lol
Hammer was my first voidcore i used 
True, starting next reset
Gotta get rid of that yee yee ahh crafted weapon and get a juicy myth weap
not using it on gaze wild
Bruh
I mean antenna was the same last season
Its no different
But both were bis on modt classes and specs
Tho Imo blizzard did it right here
if you press ss before timer does it reset?
I ran with a warlock when at the very beginning of the season, to quote him "its always the dogshit players that get the good loot"
Guess he was right 
Ye
hmm so it's a good idea to press it always
Vs chimmy being a 1 boss raid and puggable with bonus rolls
Not "always" because you kinda alternate with colossus smash
His playing meta tho so his opinions no matter
Since cs grants you sweeps, you burn those, then sweep strikes and by the time ur over cs comes back
if you press it after the key is inserted but before gates open you will still have it and it's good to do this to ramp colo stacks
And well dont send slams on sweeping strikes as its kinda wasteful imo
Everyone who isnt Parsing yellow is bad, no ?
If nothing is up you do
Then using this logic. Im bad
Welcome to the Club brother
Highest I've parsed is 99 so sheug
I mean yeah but its rare occurence. In this case i usually dont press anything unless i will overcap rage, then yeah I slam
what stacks? xd
Parsed 99 where
Nabz unite
If you're intentionally holding SS stacks and only SSing when you run out then you risk desyncing SS and CS
Truuuuu
Me on belo'ren hc 
colossal might? I can't remember what its called
Wait so we always just send SS?
I still feel proud af although idk how tf did I pull it
Once on mythic imp. Some on heroic and some for keys but again im not greatest and my guild doesnt raid mythic
😓
Man idk why my myth imperator parses are dog af, like 70something
thats only for colossus though
correct.
but it's still nice to press ss before
Shit dies too fast
I play both specs. Mainly fury before arms so I havw both specs parses
I feel like I am not doing enough dmg before all the mobs are gathered up
And if the last hit of demo doesn’t crit you may aswell wipe the raid
yep as long as you don't have it on CD when you need it after your first set of cooldowns
you can just pop parry and start smashing
Yeah and i think the rng on procs in CS window, I mean getting many overlord resets is so peak
Untill you get none
Exactly
Dies of cringe
My issue on dragons rn
You just want to make sure you have it available as soon as your stacks drop in your CS window
Na we talk raid scenario
if you press SS too close to CS coming off cooldown you won't have it available inside your next CS window
Being able to use smash and demo 3 or more times is enjoyable
Ok that’s what I’ve been doing
well if you press it as soon as key starts you will have it back after colossus smash ss expire
Oh
pretty much
In raid😩
I mea. That's kinda expected in raid and you would want stuff to die fast anyways
I wish I had this issue
hmm
But guild ain't the best
Just based on gcd you will always have ss running outside of bloodlust
Thats okay
like on this pull here in caverns he does 180k dps before popping cds
So happy I can play this spec now. I have way more fun on this than Colossus Arms. Both Fury specs are also solid options. This season's feeling good now!
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I am always scared and let tank gather mobs
hax
but you can just pop parry I guess
imo critcake has that chinese genes
I just tell the tank to get some solid threat on the first couple of mobs - and then just make sure you're only hitting them
With extra passive dps
like in NPX is good
no he is insane at the game but I just want to outdps bears 😄
Lol
His playing with a stack his been playing eith for a while now. The tank knows how to aggro
Good luck
So this isnt exacrally the best or fair comparison
Tbh biggest one is press cleave a lot, like a lot a lot
Im able at times to hit mobs while gathers
I had a bear in aa with 600k dps first pull. I was nowhere close near the end
Should be out dpsing bears
We're not fury warriors
Lmaooo
I usually only rend while gathering and then, when stacked, i drop the bomba
I say this since you can watch nox get out dps when his bear tank has incar in big pulls
æugh, fury warriors D: fury bad
So are we likely to keep a flat dmg profile the whole xpac unless we get some crazy item?
..kinda, yeah
Is ours flat?
I mean
Colo is kinda not flat
I mean dunno what crazy item means to you
Slayer maybe kinda flat but not as bad as fury
Colo is flat too
We arent "bursty" in aoe due to capped targets
everything is farmable right now basically 👀
Bursty for 2s, yeah
And if they uncap us we will obliterate any dungeon
yup
I mean even 2 seconds of a big pulls bursty is nice
We hit on two targets like others hit on 8
Theyd have to rework whole warrior if they decide to uncap us
We hit more then 2 tho
Cleave. Demo all hit more
Demo hits 8 before damage reduction
Outside of cleave, demo and bs, you dont
Rend is also uncapped
And you still match them
pretty sure we dont have hard caps outside of SS, we only have soft caps
I mean cleave is our main aoe anyways
eh actually my argument is shit yea we always cleave lul
Bladestorm is also uncapped or reduced beyond 8
You keep forgetting thst we have the MOST constant damage outside of cds in aoe
Warr cds are just Medium buffs, not bursts with high cds
hmm, but maybe he is on to something I mean as long as its 3t+ you can pull off 3 demos in 2 cs
So..i mean..bomba?
I havw no issues with our damage tbh. Sure I might not do the highest aoe burst in mega pulls but I do generally end up first in overall anyways
By the end of dungeon snd I do decent good ST now so im content
i just push buttons 
Higher keys packs you can demo 3+ times lol
Its not exactally hard
Espically if lucky eith crits
Remember. Ms crit is 2 stacks which is 10 secs. X 2 due to sweeping
That alone is 20 sec of cdr
But i aint the big guy here, I barely got to 18 keys
Then the 1 stack from cleave
So yeah i suc
Not hard
Agreed
Men i suck too then
I mean this was before slayer buffs
when do i mortal strike in execute phase as slayer? if ever?
I dont play much colo now
Slayer is more pug friendly cause u dont care what the tank does with the mobs
3 stacks of ep and smahs
With 2x EP, in CS window
oh yeah, the pain when he moves or shuffles around and instead of 12 mobs I hit 3
man that shit is unreal
Can leap while casting
Wait what
Like midcast?
Ye
Lol tf
I haven't done it but the cracked warriors said it before
Thats the first time i heard that
and charge/intervene
See even hrothmae says it
been a thing since TWW
Didn't know about charge tho
I mean yeah but its not all that useful when the mobs end up surrounding me instead of being in front of me no?
Its not like I can leap and turn around 180 mid demo
you can leap backward too 😉
also Demo is a square that comes out slightly behind you
Biz tends to manually jump before channeling so he Hits while airborne, looks funny
..damn, i have actually never ever done that
Voidclaw gauntlets decent for arms or better stated gloves the play.
Crit haste gloves are bis for every scenario other than ST raid
Betski
If voidgloves sim better for you in aoe something is wrong
not fully right tho, even critcake and a few others is using voidgloves
you gonna tell critcake his playing it wrong or simming wrong?
pretty sure a few others here use void like kha
tbh idk how critcake is able to play so fluently
pretty sure they're using it cause they have it
I sometimes have to spam a button, other times I press it and doesnt send, other times my target isnt in range but all else is and I click ms like nub
But critcake?
if not mistaken crit had the option for both in vault once
hes gifted
Critcake and kha both are very progressive raiders which Puts gauntlets at a way higher prio
they are good for arms and bis for fury and crit plays both
Trust the Robot. I havent seen a sim with decent gear where gloves were better at 5+ targets but i could be wrong
even when i go back to crit and light pot its a dps loss at 5t
its also like an entirely negligible difference
Full sim where
I wouldnt say wrong. I usually just sim 1 minute for aoe and only use the buffs i expext to have in m+
As Xan said its pm neglectable, so far ive only seen worse Sims on MT, so thats a new one
st at least on m+ build is more or less -300 as well, dont think raid ST gonna be too far off, i also prefere the windrunner ones since i like more stats and dont think voidgloves passive is even good but blizz gave them to me in vault so it is what it is
I had both and went with the crit haste since it Simmed better and still does. Droptimizer for me is -0.3% if i go with what youve simmed (5T, 5M)
Its neglectable, but going with plain stats takes out the rng value of your dmg, so imo always an upside. And again, MOST Sims ive seen Favor crithaste gloves
Bro is having the perfect Position in 102 out of 100 situations
Does leaping/charging mid demo cancel any of the damage? I know that jumping just straight up cancels demo.
anyone else unable to track tactical edge with cd manager?
the buff is just not showing up on the bar
Jumping sometimes cancels demolish, leaping can sometimes cancel the last tick of demolish damage as well, the last tick is the biggest hit and also the aoe part so that sucks
you cant charge mid demolish
Reason we don't take Ravager as Slayer, wouldnt the 50% increase dmg be great towards cleave?
slayer buffs bladestorm a lot lmao
fair enough haha
i dont remember if it was fury or arms but one of them did not take bladestorm as slayer
because it was so bad at some point
but its since been buffed to a point that its way better then ravager
for slayer atleast
Awesome thank you ^_^
Was arms
I don't think it's in CDM but should be trackable by addons
Might even be able to make a weakaura for it
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Think it was midnight pre patch for fury where we took avatar over BS because we didn’t have the max level talent points / hero talent points unless ur referring to something else
@minor gust @tulip breach @latent moss

Give that a whirl if you'd like
It's extremely barebones
I don't really know what I'm doing
Some stupid broken trinket/cantrip on a weapon etc
he mentioned ravager right after tho, so it has to be about the time arms slayer took ravager instead of bladestorm in undermine
no?
ahhhh
True cuz in undermine they made slayer work with rava irrc
It's happened a few times then
nahh it didn't work but the globals you "wasted" wasn't worth it since bs did no damage
Unhinged was a spec node, not a slayer node, and it worked for both BS and rav
None of the slayer BS nodes affected rav though
Ravager slarms just played without half its hero talents
God poor bladestorm
how are the 2 hero talents compared for m+?
Both good for different reasons
Slayer easier for pugs or if your tank isn't bringing adds onto boss for you to funnel
I wonder if my sims were wrong then. I simmed the 2 builds on 1, 2, 3, 5, and 10 targets and slayer was ahead I think 18% on 1 target but was behind anywhere from 12-16% on 2-10 targets
But then for slayer I seem to perform slightly better? Not sure if it's a fair comparison as I'm only doing 10s
ey cheers i'll take a look
wago appears to be moderately chalked
I can send you the zip
it's very scuffed but it works
colo has zero actual ST and is all aoe
Meanwhile slayer has actual st and pretty good aoe
I prefer slayer anyway. To me any variation of Arms warrior that doesn't have you press bladestorm, you may as well play any other melee spec
Not about the channel tbh. It's about spin to win being the most iconic ability from a warrior (well barbarian in D2)
Plus, slayer allows you to stun and kick while channeling. I came off of playing WW monk early in the season when 35% of our total combat time was channeling fists of fury where you can't even press an ogcd defensive without it cancelling and bricking your damage
Spin to win is overrated tbh
"OH HERE I GO, I'M GONNA SP-" opponent slashes you right across your back
shrugs off the tiny puny hits like a chad while spinning on them nerds
If you say spinning crane kick rn
I think we will get nerfed though, hit res 17 3606 and I see lobbies calling for war👀
Please blizz let us last to s2 
my goat
well lose tier set and incoming FOB nerf
wdym incoming fob nerf
well only get nerfs tho if rets and dks kick up a shit storm about it
is there something
till then no one knows or cares
im unaware of
Enjoy the io sirs
, maybe reroll inc for s2 
can't have anything strong
we'll be fine probably
at least we''ll have our 72 min 5% increase attack power buff
:D
can't be worse than this tier
he meant tierset
and it can very easily be worse
our current tierset is carrying us so hard
surely
have some faith folks
lmao youre funny
i don't mind 4th apex concept. needs a duration increase tho for m+ and just downtime
i dont even remember what it does
every hs increases next cs amp
its insanely strong
but it just falls off in m+
due to downtime
👍
me when i deal 15% less damage cause of downtime
falls off on alleria as well, dumbass intermission
run around get hit by every other arrow. braindead boring
gotta dodge the balls too

we are only 3 melee. it is by far the least enjoyable fight of my life thus far
Pls dont tell me🥲
We are halfway on palas
M+ > Raid change my mind
Raid is a mini game
Yes sir and I will rather m+
I stg
Strong in m+ >> average in both
Evrey windrunner is a terrible raid boss
I mean
Next up: blizz makes Varessa the worst fight of all time too!
Sylvie at least u fought entire time
Every windrunner in lore is not the smartest and easily manipulated
normally i really like raid. this raid is something else(in a bad way)
Id rathrr say sylv hc coz p1 was sad
Thank you
I heard mythic slyvie was fun
Ive had the same feelin. That some how as melee
I loved the shadowlands anduin tho. U know, the one u could beat up. Best Version of him 
I hope we got to beat up Arator too 
kinda cool amp, downstairs was pretty okay, only downside is parries
every boss has some "take this out of the raid mechanic" and no mechanic protection. it's so ass, get mechanic 7x in a row
^^ not enjoying the current raid too because of that
Spend more time running around, then doing 10s of uptime is utter ass
If ranged is just gonna be hard meta anyways, why bother with the melee dance at this point
Blizz should make the game easier for melee and harder for range
Have you played a range? That is such an easy life its crazy
Windwalker and ret
Do your DMG in 3 gcds
...okay ret I get but windwalker?
Y ngl thats prob why
They were in the rwf no?



