arms

[rose matrix]

Cause they ban classes

[hybrid needle]

Gimme the tldr rota
Wowhead is like "use these 13cds and if none are available use sinister strike"

No, thank you that makes much more sense now

[wary raft]

p sure the difference between the two is just having or not having killing spree

[rose matrix]

I feel like Outlaw is kinda simple based off the fact the rotation never changes

[nova marsh]

Tldr is like:
AR on cooldown
Between the eyes with 6+ combo points on cooldown
Dispatch at 5 for fate or 6 for trick
For generators, you wonna spam sinster strike to fish for procs until you get 2 pistol shot procs, then use pistol shot (because if you fish you can regularly get to 6 combo points over the 5 u get with shots)

Oh

And only use roll the bones if u roll a 1 until expiration

[hybrid needle]

So if you roll a 2 u stick with it and only roll when it expires?

[wary raft]

yea

rtb has no logic to it anymore (good bc weakaruas are gone)

[hybrid needle]

Does Blizzard tracking work decent for that or is it poo

[wary raft]

faces the same bugs that like enrage does but its fine

[void compass]

does anyone know ?

[minor gust]

arms is pretty dog ass in p1 and 2 of Lura. You are playing arms for P3 and 4 where you will fuck the boss up

[void compass]

amen to that

thanks

[wind hatch]

hold your cooldowns for crystals

you are losing a significant amount of damage by not doing that

[void compass]

i gave up on padding on crystals, we have more than enough aoe, did a couple of pulls not delaying cds and i realised i could squeeze an extra bladestorm on boss, so im just sending

[wind hatch]

Yeah if everyone else is padding on crystals and you aren't your damage is going to look terrible

[void compass]

the meter i truly look at is boss damage

i know we wont lack aoe

[wind hatch]

like frozenbozo said you just have to wait for p3

[crisp cedar]

yo in high keys say like 20s, for sky reach is there anything we can do about the add grabbing us or do we just have to kill it?

[wind hatch]

the execute phase is massive

[void compass]

fair enough

[west oracle]

hey everyone, we play slayer or colosus for m+?

seeing a lot back to salyer

slayer*

[minor gust]

play whats more fun both are really good right now

If you play with a group that funnels a lot play colo. If you mainly just pug play slayer

[sacred summit]

anyone know what our % increase to our funnel target is when we get to hit 3+ targets

curious of the value

slayer or colo

[west oracle]

thanks

[latent basin]

How much dps do we do with that BIS gear on wowhead.com

[latent moss]

colo like

almost doubles

[latent basin]

Im trying to compare how far i am from that number

[latent moss]

u can find out yourself

sim and check html report

it will show prio dmg

[sacred summit]

uh

im sorry what

[minor gust]

last I checked for slayer I was simming like 94k ST and 135k Prio dmg in 3T

[sacred summit]

so do i sim for 3t and check html report to see how much i do against main target

[latent moss]

Yes

[latent moss]

fun fact

colo needs around 7 globals

to beat rets es funnel

[minor gust]

[latent moss]

or 3 cleaves during ravager and full cds

[rose matrix]

That and I still see a full phys comp

And they will invite a dk over me

[latent moss]

cluegi people

[sacred summit]

ok so i just quick simmed 3t 5m how do i check?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cS8GadCNw2JkcngiwJWB4D

[rose matrix]

I see the perfect comp in queue and they just randomly invite a dk or devourer dh

[latent moss]

check html report

[rose matrix]

Don't know why people do that

[sacred summit]

the simC output?

im really clueless about this lol can someone guide me thru how to find it exactly

[latent moss]

full html report

[sacred summit]

gotcha thanks

was looking at the wrong mf place

[latent moss]

holy ilvl 83k only xdd

[sacred summit]

so how do i use that data to see how much % increase it is for my funnel?

[latent moss]

i was confused for a sec

[minor gust]

look at his talents

hes in 2T

[latent moss]

im on phone

its extreme amount of effort

[sacred summit]

oh shit lemme do this again lmfao

my dumbass doesnt even have cleave

smh

[minor gust]

do 1 ST sim in M+ build. Then do a 3T sim and compare the ST sim with the 3T Main target dps

[latent moss]

(very large increase)

[latent moss]

humble 300k hs

[minor gust]

[latent moss]

hello im colossus

my cleave hits for 7 trillion

[sacred summit]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oiMa3ysPry5g1Xdo1S7z7V

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fqGWDphbmBesPegQd9pupH/simc

damn

80k to 120k

[latent moss]

low ahh

[sacred summit]

:c

[minor gust]

he simed as slayer

so thats right

[sacred summit]

no thats colo

[latent moss]

its colo

[minor gust]

oh wtf it is colo

I just assumed it would be slayer

[latent moss]

no way slayer does below 90k st xdd

[minor gust]

idk thought he was undergeared

[sacred summit]

my slayer st sim

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iuyAUo8vrwYuGYCmTnmzDn

in m+ talents

how much are yall simming?

[latent moss]

105

[sacred summit]

hm whys my damage so shit

[latent moss]

low ilvl

[sacred summit]

i dont have my weap or trinks upgraded yet

[sacred summit]

whats ur ilvl?

[latent moss]

288

[sacred summit]

gotcha

how much increase are u guys getting for st vs funnel

[latent moss]

same as u

% wise

idk exact numbers

[sacred summit]

150%?

like 50% more dmg with 3+ targets onto primary target right

[latent moss]

i guess

idk

i just know im unbeatable on st

if i get funnel

[sacred summit]

how do u guys go about the dragons fight on mythic

for colo our cds kinda line up with the orb spawn do u send cs and demo for adds ?

[latent moss]

never done it cause i pug and anything past first 3 is a giant waste of time

[sacred summit]

ah

[stable fiber]

send cs + demo on pull

actually i think you can play it differently now

can just send everything on pull, then save for first ball spawns

send avatar on cd

try to line cs + demo with balls

[sacred summit]

do u delay demo to build up some cm stacks

[sacred summit]

? wdym? u dont save avatar to line up for cs?

[stable fiber]

it naturally lines up pretty well

[sacred summit]

yea cs and demo usually line up

[stable fiber]

the rest of the fight

[night pumice]

Messing around with your build @latent moss which is somehow simming higher on all scenarios even with skyfury then massacre

[sacred summit]

ravager is so awkward ngl. it comes up during intermission and idk if i should hold it for dragons or send it on the jellyfish

[stable fiber]

only use it on balls

for cleave damage

[sacred summit]

so in heroic orbs no longer count for parses
and dragons itself is out of all stars anyways
but for mythic orbs still count for parses?

[stable fiber]

erm

i think so?

i dont think the boss counts on all stars anymore so like who cares about the parse on that fight

im just playing slayer every week from now on because i have competent ddh's who solo the balls

[sacred summit]

gotcha. use ravager on orbs so cleave hits harder on orbs lol

[stable fiber]

yup

[sacred summit]

yea.. .my team has 2 devourers + our 2 bms and 2 frosts just nuke tf out of those orbs lol

[tranquil swift]

Col or slayer for seat?

[sacred summit]

i wonder if i should do that too lol

[stable fiber]

what key level

[sacred summit]

seat is colo for the 3boss right no?

doubt it matters

[tranquil swift]

I’m doing 17s+ rn

[stable fiber]

you can play either

whatever is more fun

i think what people are doing is

colossus until the last boss

then take portal and zone back in as slayer

[sacred summit]

bruh

[tranquil swift]

Oh shit didn’t realize that was a thing lmao

[sacred summit]

i just go slayer for heroic dragons and just fuk them dragons

lol

[stable fiber]

yeah you can take the portal to the dungeon from your spell book and zone back in as slayer

[tranquil swift]

Oh shit that’s kinda fire

My Col st sucks but I don’t think it sucks like sucks sucks

But it sucks

If that makes sense

😂

[rose matrix]

Nah man

It sucks sucks

[manic river]

Question, in the single target rotation during exe range it says to use MS with 2 charges of the exe buff but it points to only use it during CS , is that so? is it not worth it to do in general?

(using slayer btw)

[rose matrix]

In m+ slayer build?

For m+ slayer you would only use MS with 2ep stacks and in CS

For pure st you'd send MS with 2ep stacks

[pine jasper]

Whats the ability prio in aoe after avatar, cs and bs? and does it change in aeo in execute phase?

[rose matrix]

Cleave > Execute with SD or high rage > OP > Execute > MS > Rend

You can send Rend above MS at like 5+ targets if you want

[pine jasper]

ah ok ty, think Im using ms too much out of habit

so that makes sense on my damage

[rose matrix]

Yeah in Slayer you basically ignore it in AoE

[pine jasper]

what about in st outside of exe phase?

[rose matrix]

I go with HS > SD > MS > OP > Rend > Slam

You can send MS before SD but if you have 2 stacks of SD make sure you send it

[pine jasper]

ah ok ty! and last question in execute phase do I use HS over execute if I dont have sd proc?

[rose matrix]

Yea HS is top prio

If you have 2 stacks of SD might be worth to send it

[grizzled sonnet]

Guys upgraded my craft weapon but i check wrong didnt upgrade 298 weapon (also i am a newbie warrior) and i have only 2 voidcore and keeping for my trinkets. So 295 craft weapon is bad or need craft 298 weapon?

[rose matrix]

298 is obviously better but you don't stop getting voidshards

So you can upgrade more than 3 items

[grizzled sonnet]

really? i didnt get voidshards anymore. Did 2 10 dungeons still havent voidshards

[drowsy juniper]

Hi guys, long time warrior but sorta new to Skyhold. I wanna know if S Fury also sims way higher than S Arms for you? Like 50k more in aoe.

[calm hollow]

i upgraded 4 items already, still getting them

[nova marsh]

u can't craft 298

298 is only what max myth track gets u too

[pine jasper]

Can already see a big difference, thank you @rose matrix

[rose matrix]

Glad I could help

[manic river]

Yeah I was talking about st, the guide says to only send Ms with 2ep while CS is active

[rose matrix]

I mean like the full ST build. If you're in the M+ Slayer build you'd only send with 2ep and CS. If you're in the ST build you would send whenver you get 2ep stacks

[spring vale]

Wait dont you have to do the giga run back after zoning in or do the checkpoint stones zone you in at the last checkpoint

[stable fiber]

i think there is a checkpoint literally at the door before the final boss

[spring vale]

No but like if you leave via spell book then walk thru the portal, youre at the very entrance of the dungeon, no?

[stable fiber]

no

[spring vale]

🤯

Huge tech

[manic river]

Ah got it, yeah is for m+

So it is really not worth it outside of CS? weird

[fringe leaf]

im not entirely sure why but i think it has something to do with rage is better spent on execute during execute phase and MS only gains more value when it has 3 modifiers to it

[wind hatch]

yeah it's mainly because the slayer m+ build doesnt take martial prowess

[minor gust]

MS big weak

3/10

[fringe leaf]

makes sense

[rose matrix]

I cannot buy an invite to NPX

I had to check if I somehow got a leaver penalty it's so bad

[tranquil swift]

What level you need @rose matrix

i notice sometimes or even alot of times bladestorm will be up when CS is not yet, or just wore off the enemies.... whats the rule of thumb with bladestorm. would i wait for CS to come back up? or send it and get it on the next round?

[brave silo]

general rule is use with CS - the auto-ms casts extend the duration of CS
in M+ - same as above but try use on bigger packs to get more value but don't hold too long

[tranquil swift]

gotcha. hold but not too long got it

[brave silo]

yep but always with CS

[tranquil swift]

what else extends cs

[brave silo]

mortal strike casts

[wary raft]

cleave when u hit 3 guys or more

as well

[brave silo]

^

[tranquil swift]

ok so if bs just came back up and say CS has like 15-20 sec on timer, i should probably spam that shit and just send all together

[brave silo]

yeah. you can kind of prio rage-spending abilities to get CS timer down quicker but honestly don't think about it too much

just wait for CS to come off CD and then BS

[tranquil swift]

thanks grillz!

and golg!

[tranquil swift]

in slayer you press exe even when not glowing right

[brave silo]

depends - just check rotation in the guide to get a more detailed breakdown

non-SD executes are more dependant on how much rage you have available to spend and juggling that with OP, ability to charge weave etc and what build you're running and if you're in ST or AoE

[tranquil swift]

seems like so much to track lol. i just send it if its up

thats the build i use

so a procced OP could potentially be bettter than a non sd execute

?

[minor gust]

@latent moss Progging belo without shaman is it time to pull out the cursed build xD

[brave silo]

potentially but again - don't think about it too much. You'll find if you hammer exe you might run out of rage especially with no shaman

[minor gust]

you can press op or exe 9/10 times it legit doesnt matter in aoe

[tranquil swift]

music to my ears

[fringe leaf]

anyone know if warriors can leap up to ledge and skip 2 mini bosses before 3rd boss in seat? its normally done by aug or lock or someone pulling and nelfing, i know ive seen warriors leap and mount for others but i havent done it myself and heard it may have been patched (the mount thing)

[mossy cove]

You can leap up there, yes.

[granite stone]

When pooling rage prior to CS, do you do so at the expense of not pressing MS or execute?

[rare kite]

Do you ever play fury? Might be time, heresy yes i know

[minor gust]

nah but its a take a shot of vodka everytime I run out of rage and have to sit afk and auto moment (charge weave)

[rare kite]

2nd egg seems so bad without sham holymoly

[minor gust]

im dreading it

[spring vale]

nvm figured it out, I was in dstance :)

[thick hamlet]

what build

[proper moth]

you guys run the M+ colo build for mythic dragons?

[brave silo]

you can run either and be fine but if you just want big overall run colo

[proper moth]

my man

any reason to run colo for saladbar or just mutitarget slayer

[brave silo]

nah - you can maybe cheese the small adds but i think it's still an overall loss

[proper moth]

thank ya thank ya

[stray pike]

How much crit is too much crit?

mainly playing slayer M+

[minor gust]

until sims wants gear that doesnt have crit on it

[random wasp]

do i have to berserker rage before i get rooted to not be rooted?

[rare kite]

Doesn't work on roots no matter what

[random wasp]

I thought I saw wowhead saying fearless berserker rage breaks roots

[minor gust]

breaks snares not roots

[random wasp]

I'm not warrior main

What to do in seat 1st pull

[minor gust]

fearless zerker does break that

subjugators arent roots

[random wasp]

mmm they're slows

[rare kite]

Oh those aren't roots. You can break those

[random wasp]

makes sense

warrior not being able to break roots but warlock being able to is kinda hilarious

[minor gust]

this is the only warrior rootbreak

[rare kite]

We can break roots with bladestorm

[minor gust]

well BS too

[random wasp]

ohh

nice

i never have BS up when i need to break a root

now i'll press charge

thanks everyone

[hybrid needle]

And then you sit at MT first boss, not in range to hit it, not far enough to charge, bs on cooldown and healer doesnt Dispel you

[tranquil swift]

@minor gust do you have the prefered talent tree for slayer for m+? not sure i have the right buil

d

[minor gust]

you have the right build

[tranquil swift]

oh ok great

ngl i looked at yours and saw it was different than mine, which is why i asked hahaha

[sacred summit]

do i send demo in aoe/keys even if cs debuff wears off

or do i hold it like 10 ish seconds to pair with cs

[random wasp]

THIS HAPPENED WITH ME LITERALLY today

had to type DISPEL

but was on guild chat

then had to type again in party chat

[hybrid needle]

That does happen quite frequently for some reason

[stable fiber]

man the terraria calamity mod playlist has so many banger songs

chills

[minor gust]

banger soundtrack for a banger mod for a banger game

[stable fiber]

think im killing lura tomorrow for a random guild

need to find some more banger songs

(calamity fucking OWNS)

[elder zealot]

There's not really a correct answer to this, but it's not a bad thing to send a Demolish without CS, as awkward as it feels

[nova marsh]

Ahem edge of existence from kingdom hearts 3

[elder zealot]

And not to give a nonanswer, but it also depends on the situation; if other things will line up soon, if your teammates are about to finish off the pack, etc.

[hybrid needle]

My guy. Can i put between the eyes and dispatch into a macro to save on a Button or is there a point not to do that

[nova marsh]

Maybe?

But I don't trust them

With how often those macros break this xpack

Unfortauntely rogue just has a fffffuckkkkktonnnn of keybinds

[hybrid needle]

As long as 3 Bars are enough i got enough keybinds

[nova marsh]

They probally are

barely I might add

[elder zealot]

You can have like 6 action bars and just hide them

after you memorize binds

[hybrid needle]

No class has enough abilitys for 6 Bars

[elder zealot]

Yeah, not anymore at least

[runic rock]

Anyone feel like arms plays in slow motion after playing fury for 2 seasons?

[stable fiber]

not at all

[clever crag]

Guys

How the f do you do decent parse on dragons without bdk grips ?

[brave silo]

you dont

[clever crag]

Its so annoying sniping the cleave cone

While fury dmges all around

[brave silo]

you also dont get to if you have anyone else that has faster burst than you

[clever crag]

Hunter eats the orbs super fast

By the time I cs+demo they dead

[brave silo]

You really need the demo+3xcleave

[clever crag]

Impossible

We have 1 bdk

And on that mass grip I barely do demo

[brave silo]

we had 2 grips and I still had to fight off the SV and devourer

[clever crag]

The cleaves go into stragglers

Paladins are super annoying, progging those now but atleast dmg is good there

Just alot of cd desyncing

[brave silo]

I found that after a bunch of pulls you figure out what lines up and when you can squeeze another CD rotation in before they're 3 stacked again etc. depends on tanks really

[scenic obsidian]

Just do boss dmg and let padders pad

[clever crag]

Yeah lots of demos sent without cs

[clever crag]

I did that for blue log lmao

No way you get 95+ doing that

Would have to go slayer

[wind hatch]

colo and slayer do pretty similar 2t damage

because colo basically gets twice as many dominance of the colossus stacks in 2t

[pearl shore]

actions.slayer_execute+=/mortal_strike,if=buff.executioners_precision.stack=2&(talent.martial_prowess|!talent.martial_prowess&debuff.colossus_smash.up)|debuff.colossus_smash.up&talent.battlelord

I'm currently looking at the apl and I noticed when playing slayer in m+ I don't have martial prowess or battlelord talented. Esepcially with "&talent.battlelord" at the end this line should never get triggered right?

But running as sim shows a count for that line

[minor gust]

if you dont have MP talented only press MS with x2 EP and CS up

[clever crag]

Playing arms and not pressing ms is super weird

[pearl shore]

In my understanding the line translates to:

• 2 Stacks of Executioners precision
  AND
• ((MP talented) OR (MP not talented, but CS up)) OR CS up
  AND
• Battlelord talented

[clever crag]

Think Ill do fury and f it lmao

[pearl shore]

Since there are no parentheses around the battlelord condition I don't get how not having battlelord doesn't just skip the line all the time

[sacred zodiac]

Theres no parentheses the &battlelord Part only is evaluated with cs up

The other side of the or conditional gets run, specifically the Part that says
!Talent battlelord

Typing simc Syntax from Phone Hard wtf

[pearl shore]

So basically in simc an OR condition is always an imaginary parentheses?

[dim basalt]

No, its a logical OR statement

OR = if either side is 1 then the result is 1 (true)

1 | 1 = 1
1 | 0 = 1
0 | 0 = 0

[pearl shore]

Ok I think I get my mistake now

thanks for the clarification

[dim basalt]

Are there any APLs that use xor? lmao

[slow saddle]

The accursed +19 key with no shaman

i hate em

but pug gotta pug

[sacred summit]

hmmm ok
i find in aoe pulls demo comes off cd faster
i guess i could try it and see if they still line up if i send demo first

[gleaming bay]

I hate asking FAQ, but I cannot seem to find a sufficent answer so far. I waant to add a sound queue for when Slam becomes Heroic Strike, but I cannot seem to find a spell id or whatever as a trigger. I am using ACDM. Has anyone managed to add a sound queue or do i need to rely on visuals alone?

[dim basalt]

I believe you have to rely on the visual

Its neither its own spell in the CDM nor a buff so theres nothing you can add to it

[gleaming bay]

Eh, I am old and I love my ring sound for procs. But I will manage.

Thank you very much tho.

[clever crag]

But slam in cd manager

It shows the change

[pearl shore]

wowhead guide seems wrong for slayer in ST

[minor gust]

the difference is negligible

[pearl shore]

that's good

then it's closer to colossus

which I have been playing exclusively for the last 2 weeks since I returned to warrior^^

[minor gust]

im sorry for your loss

[pearl shore]

what exactly? slayer or the return to warr in general? 😄

[minor gust]

playing colo

[pearl shore]

seems to be better for coordinated groups that pull stuff to avoid ST encounters no?

[minor gust]

yeah its good for that just giving shit because colo not as fun

[pearl shore]

for me it feels like slayer is just colo without demolish

[balmy kindle]

Well slayer overall doesn't look too impressive though

[pearl shore]

you get no real "this is slayer" button, just priotize exec higher?

[minor gust]

Skill issue

[balmy kindle]

How do you do 400k+ on the first pull then

[minor gust]

press your buttons

[balmy kindle]

Well kinda hard to match peeps just aoeing on first pull

[minor gust]

you arent going to and it doesnt matter

[balmy kindle]

Like I will get around 350k if I am lucky

[minor gust]

because slayers strength is doing that every pull

dont compare yourself to other specs

[balmy kindle]

The thing is slayer does make the key go faster in bosses

So there's that

[dim basalt]

That highly depends on the pull

Slayer can do 700k+ in first pull pit

[minor gust]

that worried about first pull then prestack ID before dungeon starts

[high egret]

It would seem to be one of the Master of Warfare Buffs, I checked my logs and there's two of them, one being the armor pen that lasts a longer time (more uptime) and the other would maybe be the one that transforms slam, but I'm not sure, am on mobile right now

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=1269391/master-of-warfare

[gleaming bay]

The spell effect aura id links to a non-detectable aura ingame, sadly. But worth a try.

[slow saddle]

yup

we all wish we could make BOnka bonk sound

[clever crag]

Slayer and colo are super different tf

Slayer loves exe

Colo doesnt gaf about it

[stable fiber]

as a guide for what i personally think you should do

INSIDE COLOSSUS SMASH WINDOW: Mortal Strike > Heroic Strike

OUTSIDE COLOSSUS SMASH WINDOW: Heroic Strike > Mortal Strike

our tier set adds 1 second to colossus smash when its active on a mob, so i always prioritize mortal strike inside that window, also ill typically mortal strike right before i bladestorm because of this reason as well, then mortal strike at the end of the bladestorm

minmaxxing colossus smash uptime owns

[sacred zodiac]

stop larping

[stable fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/tung-tung-tung-tung-sahur-tung-tung-sahur-tung-tung-tung-sahur-brainrot-baseball-gif-13999381090646842001

[fresh spire]

[thick kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/an-iq-too-low-raven-crow-real-science-low-i-q-gif-17338607635233300977

[fresh spire]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-scroll-crying-depression-doomscrolling-gif-4138822033792608878

[stable fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/dox-doxxed-location-earth-space-gif-5757514267396673494

[sacred zodiac]

@quasi torrent need ur expertise on posting gifs

[quasi torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/958403996652032020/1501569149992698008/image0.gif

no longer

[thick kelp]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1384740697965334600/1437299047697219674/Top_1_listener_of_Diddy_-_meme.gif

[stable fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-ping-pinging-young-thug-gif-8144491478926816945

[thick kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/split-car-scene-anya-taylor-joy-ana-gif-15544196998331719072

[spring vale]

https://tenor.com/view/an-iq-too-high-raven-crow-tiktok-gif-3869671553367641450

[late lantern]

I've been away on holiday for 3 weeks is slayer now the way to go in M+?

[thick kelp]

vibe it out

[clever crag]

Play what you like

Pit is still heavy colo, Seat heavy colo just swap last 2 bosses or Lura

AA,Skyreach heavy slayer

Rest are w/e I think

[echo ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/denzel-training-day-gif-16743259178450786472

[daring pagoda]

Any big difference playing arms vs fury on Mythic Beloren? Looking at wcl looks like maybe arms is a bit more egg dmg and fury a bit more add dmg but seem close

[thick kelp]

sim yourself for 40s 1T

on both specs

and see what does more

then play that

[sharp sequoia]

Hey guys, I'm following a Method build, but I don't understand how much trinkets affect the build's damage.

They recommend 2 raid trinkets. But in the same build, they tell you that the two raid trinkets are stronger. But they don't do the same things!

[thick kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/context-context-hat-i-require-context-soyjak-wojak-gif-11496174374422496290

[west oracle]

Guys we can upgrade 2 items to 298?

[fiery inlet]

what?

[thick kelp]

as many weps and trinkets as u want

[west oracle]

Ahaaaaaaa

Well thats awsome

Also another question, when we funnel, it mean instead of using cleave at packs we use mortal strike?

And the order of procs should be, HS, MS and lastly execute ?

[west oracle]

On the big mob *

[sharp sequoia]

@fiery inlet

[latent moss]

heart and puzzle box are fuckass

compared to gaze and heart

get the raid trinkets

[sharp sequoia]

Yes but in mythic +? Is better puzzle and heart?!

Because method recommends yes

says the two raid trinkets are biS but for an overall build

if I only play m+ can I use the others too, right?

[wintry scroll]

I used to use myth box before i got myth gaze

Trust me after 2 weeks you will start having suicidal thoughts in game

[latent moss]

ye

if u want an on use get guidon

[pine jasper]

There's a chance you're misreading the guide as well, like those are the best trinkets you can get dropped in m+ potentially not to use for m+

[latent moss]

aligns with ravager

[sharp sequoia]

They recommend the two raid trinkets for an overall build

[pine jasper]

the raid ones are 100% better thats why I thought it could be a mistake, not sure then

[sharp sequoia]

Ok 👍🏻

https://www.method.gg/guides/arms-warrior/gearing

@pine jasper

[pallid shale]

What are the best resources for rotations? Started with WH and it gives a general idea but doesn’t necessarily keep up with current builds/rotation changes from tuning.

Mainly have tried colossus but was wanting to check out slayer as well

[pine jasper]

Yea, so even in the guide it says you want Gaze + heart in an ideal world, but yea the other 2 are ok if you cant get the raid trinkets in Myth I assume

[clever crag]

Puzzle box has only one place

And that’s in WW monk gear

Not warrior

[sharp sequoia]

I have heroic ones. Can I upgrade them at the forge while I wait to find the mythic ones?

[wintry scroll]

Guidon ?

[wintry scroll]

.

[sharp sequoia]

Ok

[clever crag]

1st boss flag trinket

[clever crag]

Voidspire

[grand mason]

Colossus or slayer in M+ for zug zug?

[wintry scroll]

Thanks

[clever crag]

Slayer

Colo too easy to fuckup

[wintry scroll]

Boffa do almost same dmmg

Depending on the key

[sharp sequoia]

What can I put instead of the box?

[spark mango]

guys

we dont use execute even under 20% on Colo dungeon build?

[clever crag]

Ideally gaze heart

[sharp sequoia]

I have only heart hero

For Now

[wintry scroll]

Well until u have the trinkets then u should ask

[pine jasper]

You can upgrade your hero one to 285 at least for now until you get it myth

[spark mango]

guys, do we use execute on colossus dungeon build under 20%?

[pastel igloo]

guys, do we use execute on colossus dungeon build under 20% ?

[pine jasper]

If you have sd proc I think if not no, but wait for someone smarter to confirm 😛

[latent moss]

whats the build

do u have exe talents

iirc with imp exe. exe > slam

maybe need deep wounds too for that idk

[spark mango]

without both of them

slam is king i guess

[latent moss]

yes

exe with sd or high rage

over slam

ms> op> exe with sd or high rage > slam

[spark mango]

ty

[sharp sequoia]

Ok thank you

[summer shore]

does puzzleboxing during bladestorm no longer work

[latent moss]

no

u wouldnt want to do that anyway

as bs does infinite dmg

its not df bs which we pressed for hurricane

[atomic mist]

on a new toon is it always the play to bonus roll in pit of saron?

[dim basalt]

ye

Too many good items in there

[atomic mist]

right on

[wet brook]

On slayer AOE when should we press overpower or execute without proc? Just we prio overpower or execute if there is rage

[latent moss]

are u playing ddh as alt or is that bozo

[halcyon valve]

how it feels to watch other specs do 5x your burst on pull, because you know they will fall off harder while you stay winning during the entire fight

[gleaming bay]

I can surely add a sound effect for tactician resets tho? Right?

[wraith lichen]

You can add an alert for when a skill becomes available or when a charge is gained

Does that count?

[dim basalt]

Must be Frozen

I dont have an alt atm

[thick kelp]

or npx

[latent moss]

ok ty

[latent moss]

lets do some keys

twin

(boost my dh)

[desert briar]

Guys what are the ideal phys comp 2 other DDs for col

With ideally nice ST dmg

[latent moss]

feral ret

or outlaw

[desert briar]

But i thought feral ST is ass

[latent moss]

doesnt matter

[hasty pumice]

mark of the wild and it covers the mass aoe

and col ideally has funnel everywhere in a fixed group playing around it

so col has huge ST

[desert briar]

With feral id rather play slayer tbh

[hasty pumice]

you asked what the ideal comp is

[desert briar]

Yeah my point is more about pugs i guess

[hasty pumice]

for pugs its almost always slayer

[latent moss]

i think outlaw>ret is cope lowk

i dont see what outlaw does that ret doesnt

while i can think of many things ret can do that outlaw cant

ig shroud

[dim basalt]

This season specifically is really good for ret

[latent moss]

it is a bit on the squishier side tho

sounds crazy

but i feel quite naked on ret

if i dont have dp

[dim basalt]

Compared to TWW yeah

But could be worse still

[latent moss]

in df ret was the tankiest dps

after .5

10.0.5

pre 10.0.5 it was the squishiest dps

[latent moss]

actually not sure cause s3 fury existed

with vers stacking

idk how were dks back then

no one played them xd

[sudden owl]

mage

[latent moss]

i remember fdk owning in s1

nah ret was tankier

[dim basalt]

mage always required some skill to live

[latent moss]

ret could perma wog spam

had the strongest wall

bubble

bop

loh

mage could mitigate insanely well

but would die to rot

[dim basalt]

Pre TWW hunter was also insanely bad

[latent moss]

its kinda the arms problem rn

i remember rashok with my ret friend

we would just soak waves

for fun

as fury and ret

and would always die the last

we could live the enrage i think

when he stands still adn spams aoe dmg

[sudden owl]

barrier, mass barrier, greater invis, alter time, ice cold with the talent that healed for your entire hp bar when u press it, cauterize

it's mage brah

[latent moss]

ye and ret didnt have to press anytihng

to live 99%

of damage

u sacced tank on opener

to proc shield of vengeance

sanctified plates was very funny

u just had like 20% avoidance for fun

not saying it was better than mage at mitigating

cause it wasnt

but it was more complete

[latent moss]

i watched revvez on sylvanas again

man wtf was iv

[dim basalt]

Didnt play SL at all

[latent moss]

iv was

a 40% heal

[dim basalt]

On same cd?

[latent moss]

ye

xd

[dim basalt]

lmao

[latent moss]

u didnt even play it in raid

cause u didnt need it

u just took 0 dmg

anyway

i vaguely remember playing venthyr fury on halondrus

and just requiring like

no external healing in exe phase

cause of condemn spam

it gave u an absorb shield

[latent moss]

ngl

i think its about time they make dpses

same tankiness

cause its kinda bullshit

there is no drawback to being tankier

u dont deal less damage

they dont have to make all specs the same but for example

dk tankier than warr against magical

[dim basalt]

Everything is a mess rn

[latent moss]

warr tankier than dk against phys

ye like u have

specs that

have a wall

and thats it

and then u have warrior

[dim basalt]

Its been 2 months into the patch and several specs still sim like 40% higher than us

[latent moss]

wall + sr + dstance + iv

or dk or w/e

[latent moss]

not anymore no

arms is like

115-120

[dim basalt]

Then 20

In pure ST we look really garbage

[latent moss]

can i fail

the vodistorm

assault thingy

and still complete the quest

[thick kelp]

which q

[latent moss]

trinekt

[thick kelp]

its only 1 round u need to survive if u mean the q from the guy

the event q u need to survive all 3

hp 0 = fail

[latent moss]

ye

i need rep

trinket

quest

ye its only 1

thank god

[latent moss]

we should do some alt keys

thoughts

[thick kelp]

thoughts

(no)

[latent moss]

why...

[thick kelp]

I dont have any 90 alts

that I wanna play

[latent moss]

[thick kelp]

dk and ret are

leveling jail

and I hate wod timewalk

[latent moss]

gimme 1 10 twin..

[thick kelp]

1 10

I will see if I do

on my sp

[latent moss]

hoooly

[thick kelp]

but my sp is in npx q simulator

i think?

wait no

I got my ring set

and weapon

[latent moss]

idk ijust want a 10

[latent moss]

its so bad

if i see

bloodmaul one more time

[latent moss]

i will give ur dk and ret vaults too...

[thick kelp]

they arent making it to 90 I fear

[hasty pumice]

i mean #1 phys comp has outlaw and zac deals crazy damage while letting the col warrior have full funnel

[desert briar]

man how tf do i get into +20 pugs with resil 19

[flat willow]

you pay for a +20 resil

[wide apex]

have a funny name

[flat willow]

that's the meta now

[cold cargo]

ret has to be the single most boring dps spec in the entire gsme

[desert briar]

[silent saddle]

can war not leap back onto platform last boss Skyreach after bird grabs you?

just tried and it didn't let me

maybe I just suck

[soft peak]

slayer is best in any key?

[midnight mural]

You cant :/

[silent saddle]

man that's lame

[slow saddle]

Keylevel + pug or grp?

If pugg and u arent gettin very funneled, yes slayer arms deffo. Bettrr

[soft peak]

14+

ive been playing colo all along

[slow saddle]

Slayer deffo

Not even close

[soft peak]

what prio in aoe

[slow saddle]

Same

[wet brook]

Play your key. Ez

[slow saddle]

Exept exe is 1st prio 🤣

Or 2nd to op

And u only ms if u have cs up and 2 ep

[soft peak]

what ep

aa

ok

im dumb

:)))

[slow saddle]

Ofc y ms if u arwnt in exexute

[toxic osprey]

Cleave > SD > OP > Exe > rend > MS with the exe build
in exe phase HS > MS if CS + 2 stacks > SD > Exe if high rage or OP > exe (and don't need rend because MS apply it)

Wowhead should explain it in more details

[granite stone]

ST, why does HS move up the priority above MS during the execute phase?

[toxic osprey]

Because in AOE cleave apply HS with 3+ more target (or slam if HS not proc)

And HS is top priority because good dmg + big buff for more dmg and stack

[fiery imp]

do we care about collateral dmg at all or it is just happening naturally outside of colosuss smash window with 2 spells in between cleave cd?

[soft peak]

lol bro

slayer is so fun

[sacred zodiac]

only reason to care about it is for st where you technically wanna press it if you have lingering stacks from sweeping earlier in the pull

iirc 3 stacks of collat goes over slam or smth like that

[fiery imp]

thx 😄

[rose matrix]

I think that's only at 2 targets

[viral fiber]

So its has been a week arms or fury

Data is out?

[grim oasis]

afaik arms has more presence in higher keys

both playable

[rancid willow]

Are we just not hitting MS much at all? I’ve actively tried to cleave more than MS but it still seems like I’m MSing more, especially due to ST bosses

[toxic osprey]

In AoE you don't MS, the ST is the same than before so yeah, beside bosses we don't really press MS

Cleave should be on CD most of the time / always

[spring vale]

anyone else been running this no shaman build cooked by cone in M+? Im thinking of defaulting to it since dont usually have a shaman in pugs

[soft peak]

Bro slayer is doing so much damage

Why i didnt play it till now xd

[halcyon valve]

ive played something similar in a few keys before, it just makes things so much more smooth

fewer times you run out of rage because of extra OPs

[spring vale]

huuge

gonna give it a whirl

[halcyon valve]

its chill

plus opportunist OPs kinda own

[spring vale]

to gain oppurtunist, OP has to have its actual cooldown reset right? can't sit at 2 OP charges and wait for Opportnist to proc

[halcyon valve]

as far as im aware yes

gotta spend OP to gain OP

[spring vale]

ahh that makes it much simpler than I thought

bottom out OP>gain 2 OP charges back>Spend 2 down again and one of them is buffed by Opportunistx2

[latent moss]

no

[halcyon valve]

gotta admit i forgot opportunist stacks now

[spring vale]

oh?

[halcyon valve]

still cleave and stuff has higher prio than OP

[latent moss]

generally u want to play cleave>op with 2x opp>sd>ms with tactical edge up>op with opp>exe/op doesnt matter

[spring vale]

Do you sit at 2 charges of op waiting to get 2x opp or?

[latent moss]

idk i follow prio

[spring vale]

🫡

[toxic osprey]

When i play it, i spam OP when i can have opp, it's sometimes overwlming when you've proc everywhere haha

[latent moss]

its overwhelming yeah

[olive nest]

That moment sd op cleave heroic strike all glow xdd

Can we make ms glow too

[halcyon valve]

the wowhead extra details thing might need to get fixed
"lack of execute", but it is the slayer execute build

[tranquil swift]

col still ok to play in seat?

[thick kelp]

yeah

[tranquil swift]

cool so AA sky and nexus prob best slayer keys

thanks slayer arms warrior

[mortal crag]

@latent moss https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/kHnhmgLKpjtfZwrq?fight=last&type=damage-done

RAAAAAAAAAA

@latent moss

THE NO STREAM DREAM

BE AWAY FOR 5 DAYS (tatto convention), RETURN, DESTROY KEY

COLO ALSO FUCKS

[sacred zodiac]

What happens on a tatto convention

[mortal crag]

u tattoo people

:3

made money

and tattooed like

12hrs a day

3days straight

didnt win any awards tho

[halcyon valve]

i know a guy who got tattood for 3 days straight at a convention like that

[hasty pumice]

I know a guy

[halcyon valve]

I know

[wind hatch]

I

[idle hare]

Does anyone run Mythics as prot to get gear to drop for arms?

Looks like arms and prot go for haste and crit.

I was hoping you could wear all dps gear and swap weapons and trinkets when tanking.

Even if you stick with dps trinkets. I think you can run keys to farm hero crests.

I’m new to warrior this expansion. Any warrior veterans have any feedback on that idea?

[uncut lagoon]

Can just set lootspec to arms

[idle hare]

Thanks.. Do you think the arms spec loot would still perform well tanking?

[ionic mica]

as you said, arms and prot both run haste crit so youd be fine to swap without changing much gear

essentially, as long as you are comfy playing prot then you can farm gear in arms gear (with 1h and shield ofc) as a tank

just make sure you are loot spec arms if you want 2h or to avoid tank trinkets

[uncut lagoon]

What Mashrek said

[idle hare]

Thanks. Just wanted to bounce that idea and make sure I wasn’t missing or not understanding something

[uncut lagoon]

And dont forget to repair your shield frequently as prot

[idle hare]

Nah just use a heirloom one lol

If I took all the dmg, aggro, and didn’t die I did the job as a dungeon tour guide, right?

(And timed the key)

[static axle]

Is this still up to date for slayer?

[soft peak]

is this good prio? skyreach

[vale jolt]

Good Morning, do we press cleave on 2 targets? Or should I treat it as ST just with Sweep strikes on Colo M+ build

[ionic mica]

you fill with cleave instead of slam if you have 3x collateral damage stacks in 2 target

otherwise yeah its just ST with sweeping strikes

[vale jolt]

youre the best. tysm

[tacit creek]

am I doing something wrong to get my Log reviews ignored

[thorny mason]

How can you sim AA buff ?

[olive nest]

Not at all it’s likely that hroth is just busy that’s usually who looks at the arms ones

[tacit creek]

Okay I just wanted to make sure i wasn't doing something wrong that I was oblivious to thank you!

[vale jolt]

not saying this is complete replacement to some help but wowanalyzer helped me out a ton on my ww parses. if you havent tried that yet

[tacit creek]

I've looked at WoWanalyzer and it says my uptime is good. I'm missing something and I just have no clue what it is very frustrating to be running keys and raid and doing no where near the damage other arms warriors are doing when my stat prio lines up

and my single target is hilariously bad

[olive nest]

I don’t believe arms WoWA is maintained

@lean geode sir, any info on arms WoWA that you can share?

[vale jolt]

haha im right there with you. started playing this thing on thurs and im doing tank dmg on these key bosses. hope hes able to help out man

[tacit creek]

I mean I know the jokes we're warriors and eat crayons but like feeling like im the reason my groups not gonna be able to time a 16 because my damage isn't there is Just gross

[dim basalt]

Warrior is really good in M+ so

[tacit creek]

They are im not

which is why im looking for help

So

[dim basalt]

wowa usually gives a rough idea whats going wrong

[wide timber]

brand new to arms practically never pplayed it can someone direct me to the best recource to learn please ;)

[dim basalt]

95% of people dont have good uptime or dont cast as much as they could

[dim basalt]

#dps-faq

[wide timber]

ty

this is 1 or 2 years old is it still relevant?

[dim basalt]

Its just a few months old

But pretty much everything still applies

Or is within margin of error

[wide timber]

oh wait i was looking at the wrong thing

ty again xd

excuse my incompetence

[lean geode]

It's updated for single target raid stuff, doesn't handle the different prio for M+ exe slarms build though for the normal reasons

M+ much much much larger in scope so it's a big complexity nuke

I maintain both arms and fury though so in general both should be up to date

Arms is actually more up to date bc I haven't pushed the exe > BB prio for slurry yet, been busy irl

[olive nest]

Oh good to know! For some reason I thought you had mentioned only maintaining fury but alas you’re the goat for both

[lean geode]

I mean I prefer playing fury so my ear is generally lower to the ground on that

But I try to keep both updated

[dim basalt]

Thats a sin

[untold trench]

Nah, BigB is doing the right thing

[lean geode]

I know enough about arms to not flail about uselessly on fights where it's better

But that's about it

Never 4get when I applied to a guild in 11.1 and they said why don't you play arms

Like mf why would I play arms

I played the omega fried ravager slarms build week 1 for hc mugzee to pump in execute phase but other than that the spec was kinda kill

[dim basalt]

[olive nest]

Mugzee arms ownd so hard

[latent moss]

me when i applied to a guild and they asked me why i play arms only

[dim basalt]

If I had any clue how much (or little) work it is to maintain wowa Id help out

[olive nest]

Fond memories

[latent moss]

and they told me id have to play fury for prog

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/845318240745160775/1049754429735313429/unknown-3-1.gif

[lean geode]

It's generally not too bad if you're familiar with typescript

[latent moss]

son its not even a hof guild

who cares

[dim basalt]

TS is giga ez

[lean geode]

We love ts

[dim basalt]

I mean I dont but its easy

Go > C# > TS

[olive nest]

I think I may just never spec fury again xdd

[dim basalt]

[lean geode]

It's a react app and I am not a react dev so I probably have some shit that's fried

But it works well enough I think

[lean geode]

Based and backend pilled (derogatory)

[dim basalt]

Backend is just infinitely more fun lmao

[lean geode]

L take but get your bag

[dim basalt]

Just today I had to deal with CORS again and felt miserable

Fuck that shit

[rare kite]

Even then if it’s a low hof guild who cares. If you’re giga on a spec

[sacred zodiac]

Just play fury you bitch

[lean geode]

Sponges with the L misogynistic language

Unfortunate

[random wasp]

Non HoF guild that tries to force too much meta is a bad sign imo.

Im not warrior main this tier but from what ive seen arms is fine in all encounters

[dim basalt]

Its fine to force if theres a massive difference but otherwise ye

[random wasp]

Yeah

[dim basalt]

Doesnt happen that often anyway

[random wasp]

I checked logs and the difference wasnt massive

[sacred zodiac]

How is bitch misogonystic

[latent moss]

no!

[sacred zodiac]

Completely valid crashout

[dim basalt]

@lean geode Been a while since Ive seen classes in TS

lmao

[sacred zodiac]

Its not about forcing it its mostly abt looking for a specific type of player

[latent moss]

anyone who can play arms

can play fury at a higher level than a fury only player

https://tenor.com/view/girls-und-panzer-gup-truth-nuke-trvke-katyusha-gif-3214992808214369110

[dim basalt]

Post that in #fury

[untold trench]

Classic arms main

[sacred zodiac]

And 9 Times out of 10 someone whos unwilling to flex between the two dps specs this class has is just not worth having around

[lean geode]

What kind of fuckass ts are you reading that doesn't use classes

[dim basalt]

Depending on the app you dont see them often in newer projects

TS went a looong way

[lean geode]

I'm at work about to get chewed out by my project manager but I will try and compose a thoughtful and genuine response to this later this afternoon, please stand by and thank you for your patience

[lean geode]

I primarily work in Angular and everything there is a class

[dim basalt]

never done Angular

But React streamlined a lot of stuff so

[lean geode]

React is the L bozo of frontend frameworks

[untold trench]

9/10 CE guilds got more important things to worry about

Like doing basic mechanics to get the fight done

[dim basalt]

Probably is ye

[sacred zodiac]

Tldr can i call my friends bitch or should i stop

[dim basalt]

Im only doing frontend because I have to

[sacred zodiac]

The type of Player that one Tricks a spec on a multi dps spec class tends to also not do mechanics

[untold trench]

I dont have enough info on that. In my head there are ppl who simply got it. Or dont.

My experience is kinda all over the place. Multiclass Andy that is dies with em all, and Mr vet played Rogue for 3 decades and still dont get not standing in fire.

[vale warren]

We should be playing both specs?!

[untold trench]

All 3 even

[vale warren]

What’s a shield

[dim basalt]

Being able to play prot is huge tbh

[untold trench]

Yarp

[clever stream]

No idea why warriors would be toxic to each other

Cringe

[slow saddle]

Its bad

If rl finds out

[sacred zodiac]

You can just say no

[slow saddle]

Potential tank prison

[slow saddle]

Can u though? Better 2 not be asked🤣🤣

[sacred zodiac]

Yes you can

[slow saddle]

Unable 2 tank. No conflict, saying no = rl might think less of u🤣

Tbf we are warrior,

[latent moss]

not being able to play all ur specs is a red flag icl

refusing to play them is a different thing entirely

[rare kite]

i swear anyone can learn prot

tho i've not played it this season i can't imagine it has changed much

[sacred zodiac]

M+ tanking is just dpsing with a few extra Buttons

Raid tanking is taunt swapping while making Sure the Boss is in the right place wowie

[dim basalt]

Raid tanking is significantly easier than M+ tanking

[lean geode]

I personally do not, I think there are better words you can use both for friendly banter and unfriendly remarks. I'm not your dad though

[sacred zodiac]

Ok what can i call you

[swift crown]

dad

[sacred zodiac]

Bitch

[wary raft]

in fact you should call your friends bitch

[swift crown]

57 has done lasting damage to the Skyholdians

[sacred zodiac]

Mental damage

[lean geode]

"Skyholdian" might be the worst slur ever used here

[swift crown]

That is cap

[hollow wave]

The defensive superiority of colossus doesn't make a difference at high keys?

[ionic mica]

slayer is still a warrior, still tanky

[dim basalt]

Its noticable but not a make or break

[hasty pumice]

[hollow wave]

Now that demolish have such a small cd, its like 80% of time with 10% DR, on top of the permanent 5% DR from the colossus passive

[hasty pumice]

and you're still tanky enough for +22 / 23 with slayer

[hollow wave]

I'am doing only 15-16s, so I don't know if this difference hits in like 20+

[still fox]

how can people make weapon 298 and trinket 298? or is it a bug on raider io?

[tacit creek]

The Void forge

[still fox]

yea but this week first one or?^^

[tacit creek]

Im pretty sure you can do as many as you want as long as you do enough dungeons or kill enough bosses

[thick kelp]

wooow

[vale warren]

can you also make hero track items into mythic track items with the void forge?

[lament flax]

You can turn 276 weapons/trinkets to 285

But hero doesn't go to mythic technically

[elder zealot]

If you only have a hero Gaze, you can turn that into 285, so it's an old level mythic

[maiden moat]

hey, rituals still best way to farm shards ?

[thick kelp]

no

[static axle]

For slayer in aoe, SD procs > cleave > overpower > ms with 2 stacks > ??? > ms without stacks?

[stable fiber]

for slayer in aoe

SD > Cleave> OP > Execute > MS with CS > Rend > MS > Slam

OP and Execute can be switched around if you have a prio mob that needs to die really fast, if you have a prio mob that needs to die i would unload executes into that mob over overpowers, if not, just use OP > Execute like normal

[static axle]

Sweet, ty

Never played arms before, i'm overusing execute a lot, very satisfying ability 😄

[silk spade]

scrub behavior ngl

(not wanting to flex)

[vagrant hull]

"Play what you like, unless you are asked to flex, then you better flex or you are bad"

[remote swan]

I play arms because I gear for prot and only have to swap a couple things to play a dps spec in casuals

🤷‍♂️

So im already heavy crit/haste

[hybrid needle]

The heck did i stumble in on

Is this another "mimimi i dont want others to have fun" thing

[vagrant hull]

Not sure, i didn't read their entire conversation, just laughing at them calling people bad who don't want to swap specs.

[hybrid needle]

@nova marsh so much going on in Outlaw Kit holy moly

[nova marsh]

yeah

it's probally one of the few truly kinda complex classes left

[dim basalt]

Laughing about people who cant play other specs

Not wanting to swap is normal

But if youre in a somewhat decent guild its expected

[vagrant hull]

Sure, I can see that

[toxic osprey]

Since when it's SD > Cleave ? Always Cleave > SD no ?

[hybrid needle]

Well yes if you want to OTP dont be in a guild that cares for worldranking
There is enough constant ce guilds that dont give af

[stable fiber]

its alot more indepth because of how executioner works now, so if you dont know how executioner works now it wont make sense

but generally its 95% of the time SD > Cleave

because of BS cdr and not wasting SD procs

[hybrid needle]

I keep forgetting killing Spree exists. Looks weird and channel feels wrong

[nova marsh]

Genuinely

I highly reccomend just playing fatebound

[dim basalt]

Even that is just cope

Khazix is a good example

[nova marsh]

Trickster is NOT worth the gain now

[stable fiber]

hi

[dim basalt]

hi

[stable fiber]

also im not OTP'ing 😠

[hybrid needle]

A good example for what

[fresh spire]

Hi

[dim basalt]

cope

[stable fiber]

i play shadow and both dps dk specs at a high level as well 😠

[dim basalt]

He played Arms even when it was pretty bad and hes in vodka

[stable fiber]

i played arms because it was better smh

[dim basalt]

yeah sure bud

[stable fiber]

it still is better

[hybrid needle]

...aaand?

[dim basalt]

Individual players skill >>>>>>>>>>>>> spec

But most raid leaders are too stubborn

[stable fiber]

have you looked into making the sim game around executioner stacks for how you use sudden death

[hybrid needle]

Thats.. what i said tho

[stable fiber]

or does it do that already

[stable fiber]

im actually helping a guild get hof today on my fdk 😠

😠

[dim basalt]

How much are they paying

[stable fiber]

0

i do it for the love of the game

[dim basalt]

Working for free smh

[stable fiber]

(and my friend is in the guild)

[hybrid needle]

Wait a hot minute

[vernal pilot]

I'm kinda surprised they never gave Arms a combo ability like Templar Strikes or a talent that gives them a passive Slam like Crusader Strikes or even an ability you hold to charge like Evokers

[hybrid needle]

Hof is already done

[stable fiber]

it closes tomorrow

you can still get the achievement today