It wasnt bugs
#arms
rose matrix
Oh I see
nova marsh
And blizzard shot that shit
rose matrix
Well the top 20 Outlaw player would be like 5 or something for assa
So the difference is pretty large
fresh spire
short crescent
Assa is fine, it's my main
It's pretty chill, no procs to react to, just get your shit up and count to 5
earnest vigil
if i have one max upgraded myth track weapon and i get another can i upgrade it for free ?
novel raven
I think ive said this in here b4 but tanks seem surprisingly willing to pull around funnel if you ask them, other dps killing the funnel for no reason is the infuriating part
minor gust
Just play slayer and be happy
You won't care if the funnel dies because you will still do human boss dmg
spring vale
Arms warrior has some of the best sound effects, thoughts?
minor gust
Male Orc arms players wouldn't know
spring vale
the animations on nelf are fucking sick
spring vale
when nelf isnt on the screen, the question we should all be asking is: where is nelf
granite sun
hey folks qq, i watched a few biz videos. (goat) found battlelord slayer, massacre slayer and colossus, looks like massacre is the one suggested on wowhead. but im a little confused on how to play it. are there any guides that go into it?
minor gust
hey folks qq, i watched a few biz videos. (goat) found battlelord slayer, massac...
For massacre slayer
spring vale
which one are you enjoying frozenbozo
spring vale
are you running TE or Crushing Combo?
minor gust
Crushing. I won't play TE not really worth imo unless you just wanna go full boss dammy in something like AA
It's also mostly just me finding CC way more fun
spring vale
spamming several cleaves in a row is fun
minor gust
Makes you feel like something is happening when you press CS
slim falcon
sorry not a warrior player but getting loads of fury signs to keys lately - how does it stack up to arms?
hybrid needle
overall damage wise it will compete, but the damage profile is worse than arms
thick kelp
sorry not a warrior player but getting loads of fury signs to keys lately - how ...
arms is better
rose matrix
Do you guys go for the jump skip in SR or just walk around
I can't seem to get it consistently
And I feel like a dumbass when I am just sitting there jumping
rose matrix
I tried that once and didn't get it. I'll give it a shot next
hushed topaz
I prefer trying the jump skip, dying a few times, then taking the walk of shame after the wind is gone
minor gust
Take one of the first two swirlies and jump UP the stairs
Don't even need to do that just walk up to the edge jump and leap
minor gust
Do you guys go for the jump skip in SR or just walk around
It's very consistent to do just goto the edge of the stairs and jump then leap to the other side
wind hatch
yeah I can always get the skip after just a few seconds of clicking
minor gust
If you jump straight up with your character it unlocks the leap pathing
So it's very very easy to do once you see it or do it
wild fractal
I am getting stuck without any rage in single target is it normal ? I am around 210 ilevel maybe thats the reason
robust cypress
During execute? yeah that's normal
thick kelp
very normal
stone grotto
General question when slayer in execute phase; if I am around ~20-80 rage with no SD proc, do not have 2 stack for MS, no HS and OP is on CD am I just autoing?
stone grotto
What's the cutoff for execute? I had read 100 but maybe that's too high
thick kelp
What's the cutoff for execute? I had read 100 but maybe that's too high
depends what you feel like
could be 20
could be 90
flat willow
I saw a frost dk owning today
maybe I should rename to frost dk
but need 2 weapons from saladbar
hushed topaz
Is frost running 2 1hers?
spring vale
Boys is there a magic number for holding Bladestorm in ST/AoE when CS isn't up
i.e. if CS has 7s or less hold or else let it rip
lone yarrow
General question when slayer in execute phase; if I am around ~20-80 rage with n...
wrecking throw EZ
weak wave
Why does 6/6 myth Gaze sim so bad against a crit 6/6 hero trinket?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/k2RatNj3LnTYxfSKS43MP9
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rKB9KzyP5nZStzh2i1pvco
sudden owl
your body needs more crit
weak wave
your body needs more crit
I got 36%
weak wave
Yeah that was dreamrift
slow saddle
Gaze app mad at 298
sudden owl
gaze sims highest for me now after the latest round of gearjuice and i have 36% cri
t
weak wave
But also i play heart + gaze
hollow wave
How can I get a less depressing single target damage as Colossus?
slow saddle
Y gaze scales app
weak wave
Not insane too
slow saddle
Put gaze at 298
sudden owl
How can I get a less depressing single target damage as Colossus?
pull 2 mobs into the boss and tell your group not to hit them
soft peak
pull 2 mobs into the boss and tell your group not to hit them
🤣🤣
Colossus st feels like classic wow
slow saddle
Its factual
slow saddle
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9fxBCgnysVRwscYNSsZB6e
Heart + Gaze
Did u sim with bleed talents
weak wave
Did u sim with bleed talents
Just doing
weak wave
Did u sim with bleed talents
slow saddle
Ok i sim a bit.more ill check later
minor gust
How can I get a less depressing single target damage as Colossus?
You don't. If you ever are doing ST in keys as Colo you were better off playing slayer.
radiant jay
anyone know if its better to potion before puzzle box to get a crit potion?
bright ginkgo
If you by chance get more mastery than crit, then maybe
But that shouldnt be the case? I believe
torn rivet
lads, do you send demolish inbetween CS windows if it's ready and at 10stacks?
radiant jay
If you by chance get more mastery than crit, then maybe
it does send me over personally
sacred zodiac
@silk spade
silk spade
<@235857431492558848>
sacred zodiac
ty
silk spade
what was she up to?
deft tiger
guys is voidclaw hand bugged in details it show the skill desc do dmg 195 is that correct
hybrid needle
Thats the tooltip of the itemlevel.. whatever it was back when it first released
When you take the damage number and the ammount of casts it probably nets you around 2.5 - 3k per hit
deft tiger
i divided 42k by 278 i got 151
hybrid needle
278 is not the ammount of casts
deft tiger
sorry but how can see it on details
hybrid needle
not sure if you can. Worst case look at wcl
TLDR its not bugged. Youre not the only one
robust cypress
Why do the voidclaw gloves not sim the best for me?
Is it because my mastery is that low?
torn rivet
btw lads one more question:
on slayer in M+/raid, do you BS before CS in order to gain the haste buff inside the whole CS window, or you BS inside CS given you cast some mortal strikes?
fresh spire
Use it during Cs as tier bonus makes unhinged extend cs
torn rivet
fair 'nuff
stable fiber
guys is voidclaw hand bugged in details it show the skill desc do dmg 195 is tha...
the item sucks in m+
just put on crit haste glovesinstead
robust cypress
Maybe lack of aleria neck
is the neck better than a myth pos neck?
minor gust
is the neck better than a myth pos neck?
btw IK it doesnt answer your glove question but swap your crafted ring to haste mastery. Slayer doesnt want all that crit https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dya67jNjEbxtNjWjSJyHsp
robust cypress
btw IK it doesnt answer your glove question but swap your crafted ring to haste ...
oh it doesnt?
also why is that a 3 min sim
minor gust
forgot to adjust it
robust cypress
wait why doesnt slayer want all haste crit?
minor gust
simming agian at 5 doesnt chance still wants haste mastery ring
minor gust
wait why doesnt slayer want all haste crit?
Because it doesnt have anything that requires mass crit like colo does
was the same all throughout TWW. Get enough crit to a certain point and sims favor Haste a lot more and some mastery
robust cypress
hmmm
minor gust
tho funny enough for you it legit doesnt matter lmao
10 dps diff betweent crit haste and haste mastery lmao
dim basalt
Damn boy
hybrid needle
god damn gigachad
minor gust
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fbzvjmqTnzv8PJo3yE5FJj
I wonder if its actually just set ring dif. Surprised it still wants crit haste ring here.
prob that time again I do some more sim combos for my character
hybrid needle
resi 21 my son
I can see that youve played some 20 keys on Fury. How did that go
hasty pumice
I can see that youve played some 20 keys on Fury. How did that go
i feel like if you're not noxiv
fury is just worse
hybrid needle
i also feel like if im not critcake or bizentein arms is worse 
hasty pumice
slayer arms feels way stronger and I cant make the fury niche work
robust cypress
I wonder if its actually just set ring dif. Surprised it still wants crit haste ...
Set rings simmed lower for me than the myth/crafted
but thats cause I only had hero track ones
hasty pumice
fury is pretty good everywhere but excels nowhere
arms still giga fucks in ST and prio
or with col
giga fucks in AoE
both fuck with funnel
hybrid needle
did you play most of your 21s as slayer ?
hybrid needle
dang
hasty pumice
biz and crit play slayer everywhere as well
hybrid needle
you playing the OP or the massacre build
hasty pumice
only shai runs col still but
col still has the higher floor psure
just needs giga routing
robust cypress
all of these as slayer
can I peep the build? 
I hate colo
hasty pumice
can I peep the build? <:ZOOMEReyes:721123810992062506> I hate colo
its just the standard slayer m+ spec
robust cypress
its just the standard slayer m+ spec
tyty
hybrid needle
do you think powerful is better than mass execution personally
hasty pumice
crawth without BL
hasty pumice
do you think powerful is better than mass execution personally
it sims better for everything below 8 targets so 100%
if youre above 8 you always have useless shit mobs
and idc about those
I'm not playing to pad on useless shit
minor gust
king shit
hasty pumice
thats why I hate logging in this raid tier
hybrid needle
you already said you dont play fury
hasty pumice
you need to pad on useless garbage
stable fiber
i feel like if you're not noxiv
i am trying to fix the issue]
hasty pumice
I played fury the entire last season
hasty pumice
i am trying to fix the issue]
raging blow spin to win was fun
slayer now is just pain
rare kite
i feel like if you're not noxiv
tbf i think even noxiv is coping about slayer fury
hasty pumice
thane feels fine in raid but
nova marsh
I do not like midnight fury at all
Same
hasty pumice
i dont like the feeling in m+
nova marsh
Midnight fury is fucking awful
hybrid needle
Midnight fury is fucking awful
Best race for dagger wielders ?
rare kite
i like midnight fury except for apex. apex reducing rampage cost when you get more rage is so weird
stable fiber
apex is awful
nova marsh
Best race for dagger wielders ?
Panda or dwarf
nova marsh
i like midnight fury except for apex. apex reducing rampage cost when you get mo...
The apex is 99% of my issues with current fury
hybrid needle
whats the other 1%
nova marsh
whats the other 1%
Rend
hybrid needle
rare kite
i've said it before but apex should make rampage cost more in reck. 100 rage rampage in reck and it does a bajillion damage
would be sick
nova marsh
Okay rend and rampaging ruin being a blight upon my talent tree
hybrid needle
Well
nova marsh
Tbh
hybrid needle
If i was a game designer i would atleast play my own game
hasty pumice
I mean I did it as well
rare kite
Okay rend and rampaging ruin being a blight upon my talent tree
can ignore rend but yes rampaging ruin lmaoo
hasty pumice
If i was a game designer i would atleast play my own game
I'm not sure how true that would be once you're a game designer
to many its just a job
nova marsh
Bring back that talent from legion that made rampage give a buff at 100 rage
hybrid needle
Bring back the times when game designer was a passion, not just a job
vagrant hull
Large companies make it a job for most
hybrid needle
god damn microsoft
paper gulch
tardy hawk
Is arms just better on Mythic Lura now vs Fury?
rare kite
Is arms just better on Mythic Lura now vs Fury?
both are about the same it seems like
stable fiber
Is arms just better on Mythic Lura now vs Fury?
arms is way better boss dps across the whole fight, fury does better in p1 cause it kills adds better
sacred zodiac
arms hits hard in p3 which is the phase you wanna shorten
tardy hawk
Can i bring myself to do it kek
fleet rover
I accidentally had prot loot spec on and rolled trinket and a dupe myth shoulder, instead of wep in pos
vagrant hull
Rough
Probably goes without saying, but unless you need a shield or 1h off a specific boss, I'd always stay arms loot spec
crisp cedar
is simming 5t 5min w lust fine for us? patchwerk
stable fiber
they missing out
fresh spire
stable fiber
im just in que simulator
fresh spire
Me and that tank have things in common it seems
sand prairie
Doenst Fearless ebrserker rage remove the Gargoyle grip?
stable fiber
Doenst Fearless ebrserker rage remove the Gargoyle grip?
no
but charge does if you are slayer
and bladestorm
sand prairie
ah ty
stable fiber
fearless berserker is weird, its really good with slows though
sand prairie
Can i n11 stealth it while ii mgrapped?
stable fiber
like pit and npx its good in
i think you can nelf stealth it and it gets rid of the grip
minor gust
yes meld frees you from gargoyle and stuff like mini boss in MC
hybrid needle
does it work for endboss skyreach
uneven minnow
for myth king saladbar, are we cs + bladestorm on the mini orbs?
soft swift
I have a beyond stupid question - are emblishments better than ilvl? like 285 to 289? assuming yes
uneven minnow
I have a beyond stupid question - are emblishments better than ilvl? like 285 to...
correct stats + embellishment simmed stronger for me
than 289 with incorrect stats
clear dawn
I have a beyond stupid question - are emblishments better than ilvl? like 285 to...
i dont know tbh
random gazelle
You would ideally sim crafted 285 hunt + arcanoweave vs 289 + 2 arcanoweave
wild fractal
in aoe execute range, do I spam execute or use overpower often ?
rare kite
sim 298/295 weapon now with the void thingy
plush anchor
What is the best place I can find written guides on rotations and things like that?
torn rivet
anything except wowhead/icyveins/maxroll. Whatever guide you can find from a top arms will do
plush anchor
I figured that, I just don’t know other guides lol
torn rivet
1s
sacred zodiac
anything except wowhead/icyveins/maxroll. Whatever guide you can find from a top...
whar whats wrong with wowhead
torn rivet
i do not want to discuss That topic
minor gust
Wowhead fucked his wife
torn rivet
actually, no, you're right. Nothing's wrong with wowhead. It's how bad others interpret it
umbral linden
Wowhead fucked his wife
sad
random gazelle
Wowhead and icyveins are both from archimtiros
torn rivet
i miswrote my lads, I ment the readers do not interpret wowhead correctly
torn rivet
Wowhead fucked his wife
I had your damn back when we were celebrating death of Arms and now you do this? traitor.
i will nevah forgive u!
:(
umbral linden
actually, no, you're right. Nothing's wrong with wowhead. It's how bad others in...
what i "love" about wowhead are never-up-to-date tier lists, which used by lots of people as a instrument to build m+ comps
xd
minor gust
I had your damn back when we were celebrating death of Arms and now you do this?...
why mad at me it was wowhead who did it not me 🙁
drowsy sierra
I've got a 2/6 Hero garforst hammer. should i upgrade it to 6/6 hero and wait for a mythic version to drop before using the void core, or should i just craft a 285 2h and then use the voidcore on it?
halcyon valve
Theres no limit on voidcores so you could upgrade the heroic one if you really want to, all it takes is 5 more shards you gotta farm one way or another
drowsy sierra
Hmm understandable. Are the stats on the garforst that good it's worth sticking around for, compared to crafting it?
flat willow
Ain't no way outlaw is on the same level as devoker
drowsy sierra
Yep
Maybe I'm overlooking too deep into it. As long as I get the stats I should be fine
plush anchor
Is slayer generally considered more forgiving than colossus?
nova marsh
Is slayer generally considered more forgiving than colossus?
Yeah
Bladestorm and reap are a lot of ur damage and are 360s instead of 180s
- ur tank cant mess u up
torn rivet
yea, fuck 'em.
umbral linden
True
nova marsh
Worst slop to ever hit the internet
I stg
My friend keeps linking them
I dont care
hardy crown
in skyreach 20 colossus or slayer?
been 2 weeks withouth playing
im lost rn with talents
torn rivet
slayer 100% in that case
nova marsh
I dont even think logs nessisary fully portray a spec
Because as wowheads posts say, the poorer performing specs have a smaller sample size
The closest we're realistically gonna get thou
hardy crown
slayer 100% in that case
keys for colossus and for slayer?
torn rivet
its not that. It means that if some people could achieve high performance with some crap spec, that is what you could achieve with it
nova marsh
keys for colossus and for slayer?
Are you pugging
torn rivet
keys for colossus and for slayer?
id say pit, seat colossus rest slayer
nova marsh
something new with execute? when to use
In exe phase u dont use ms until cs is up and 2x ep
But thats about it
torn rivet
wait what
nova marsh
if you dont have prowess
torn rivet
in exe phase you don't use MS until cs?!
torn rivet
yea without prowess i mean, what
I am shocked
so if not within CS window, with 2 EP stacks, you don't MS?
hardy crown
CS is?
torn rivet
colossus smash
nova marsh
torn rivet
I really want an explanation of that I feel like im being baited
drowsy sierra
so if not within CS window, with 2 EP stacks, you don't MS?
EP?
torn rivet
executioner's precision
torn rivet
<:ColossusSmash:592472471299555368>
wait...It cannot be that you don't use MS outside CS in exe phase because exe does more dmg right?
nova marsh
It does atm to my knowledge ye
candid pecan
Follow this prio in m+ @torn rivet
and yes, you only Ms with 2x EP and CS in exe phase
once boss hits 35% hp you just hs>execute>op
hardy crown
Follow this prio in m+ <@190027213159006208>
no slam?
candid pecan
as filler in ST yes
reef birch
which icon corresponds to heroic strike proc, if i want to use blizzard's TTS "weakaura"
red parrot
Hmm, is it worth rolling for a heroic gaze & upgrading it if I'm never getting a mythic one?
sacred zodiac
pugging mythic chim is very doable, are you sure you will never get one?
red parrot
yeah that's fair, guess I should get into the pug mines
silk spade
pugging mythic chim is very doable, are you sure you will never get one?
got invited on my 270 rogue 🤠
earnest vigil
got invited on my 270 rogue 🤠
with 270 they dont even invite me on m +6 😄
silk spade
sacred zodiac
wtf
silk spade
la creatura
short crescent
anyone know if you can change loot spec then use your bonus roll?
If I forget to swap specs during chimmy
sacred zodiac
ye you can
hardy crown
best talents for boost m+? +10-+15
ruby flower
Does someone has the same issue if you press Execute 2x times in a row you dont get 2 EP Stacks? Its not always but i notice it very often, does it have to do something with my spellquewindow?
eager sable
Does someone has the same issue if you press Execute 2x times in a row you dont ...
Usually from getting parried, in my experience
latent moss
Does someone has the same issue if you press Execute 2x times in a row you dont ...
@tacit crystal
ruby flower
Usually from getting parried, in my experience
that was also my first thought, but it also happens if Execute hits normally
tacit crystal
i love parry in m+
eager sable
If it's not from a parry, it could be the cdm lagging,and possibly actually do have 2xEP
Naturally, logs help
ruby flower
If it's not from a parry, it could be the cdm lagging,and possibly actually do h...
hmm ye maybe, havent checked that
lilac cedar
Hey does anybody know of a good addon or anything that tracks PI/lust/ebonmight buffs? (PI is the most important)
sacred zodiac
i love parry in m+
there is an unusually high amt of parry tagged enemies this m+ cycle
tacit crystal
(i think its a bug and not parry induced)
reef glade
parry is a flavorful mechanic and must be preserved!
I love 2004 mechanics in 2026!!!
latent moss
I love 2004 mechanics in 2026!!!
mmm rend
its so good u can just not press it if u play the TE st build
rare kite
parry is a flavorful mechanic and must be preserved!
it brings texture!
stable sapphire
parry is a flavorful mechanic and must be preserved!
parry and threat, best mechanics ever
reef glade
I mean threat is annoying but it at least makes sense
most of the time
unless ur tank is like single heroic throwing a 20 pack social pull and you proc 1 single pain and gain and instantly die
rare kite
lothraxion is the only boss that parries in m+ btw
yea in this season, been others before
latent moss
I mean threat is annoying but it at least makes sense
sweep ms to generate cm
reef glade
But parry actually serves no purpose other than just a simple go fuck yourself
reef glade
w
latent moss
But parry actually serves no purpose other than just a simple go fuck yourself
add spell resist
reef glade
truegi
latent moss
collapsing star resisted
reef glade
gg next pull
latent moss
love when my initial auto gets parried and then i just don't have rage
not playing just warming up
minor gust
collapsing star resisted
reef glade
me when it took like 5 years for cs to get removed from being parryable
Minus 30% dps on pull just for fun
funny button
latent moss
me when it took like 5 years for cs to get removed from being parryable
remember when assa's
vendetta could get parried
i think kingsbane could get parried until recently too
reef glade
Idk about any class that isn’t warrior but I believe it whatever that button does
reef glade
powerful
latent moss
and sylvanas would perma parry it in sl
crisp cedar
if i havnt been using sweeping strikes during smash after the 12 it gives cuz i thought i didnt need to, dare i ask how much damage ive been loosing 
rare kite
touch of death used to be able to get parried as well. when it functioned like executioners sentence
fun times
latent moss
ye es could get parried too
latent moss
if i havnt been using sweeping strikes during smash after the 12 it gives cuz i ...
hmm
well every button u press benefits from it
cleave on 3t+
cause fob slams get swept
so prolly a lot of damage
if u played colo then a lot more damage cause way less cm generation
crisp cedar
its been mostly on colo ye fml
latent moss
why not press it tho
crisp cedar
can't wait to see what my damage will be now that ive realized this
very new to arms and thought ididnt have to during smash window (god knows why)
crisp cedar
my uptime on it is still much higher then i expected it to be after learning this but obv during big pulls this gotta be a huge damage loss
odd helm
I am absolute poop on single target with col m+ build is it just that bad? stats seem decent
latent moss
yes
crisp cedar
i think we all are lad
latent moss
and there is no way to get more st without ruining ur aoe as colo
if u want st u have to play slayer
crisp cedar
just pray for funnel on colo
odd helm
ok yeah i sim at like 73k ST but majority of the time its mroe like 60-65 on 100% ST
latent moss
yeah the sim is prolly with raid buffs
odd helm
ahhhh
crisp cedar
do you know how much the diff specs gives us buff wise @latent moss
i think pala gets like 8% from skyfury? i imgaine we get a good chunk too
crisp cedar
v nice
latent moss
i think pala gets like 8% from skyfury? i imgaine we get a good chunk too
so dumb
considering crusading strikes used to be blacklisted
im losing
10.19%
from no skyfury as colo
from 87k tto 78k
latent moss
slayer is 9.12%
latent moss
how does that work for aoe, aobut the same or?
prolly nowhere near
due to bloodsurge
it generates a ton of rage on aoe
latent moss
slayer is 9.12%
wtf
crisp cedar
fkn hell not bad
latent moss
8.9% as colo on 8t 3min
i dont understand this
something fishy is going on with aoe sims istg
bloodsurge is like 5% dps on aoe
cause its starving somehow
latent moss
bloodsurge is like 5% dps on aoe
and this is slayer btw
with the optimized opp apl
idk how when the only spender u press is cleave
latent moss
https://tenor.com/view/hey-little-kity-hows-it-goin-yea-gif-25852808
guess what build only loses 3.39%
on st
minor gust
Cursed
latent moss
need op emote
also
the te build is a masterful cook
on st
the st te build
cause u can just do this
for basically no loss
gonna try this on imperator
to hit the immune adds for more hs procs
minor gust
need to bring up how much of an insane gain Skyfury is when I compile the rage post. Its all because we need it to generate enough rage to be able to even press our buttons
latent moss
yeah the mastery is w/e
whereas ret sure u get more hp and more aow procs but
mastery for them is giant
puzzle box is their by far the best tirnket
minor gust
maybe appeal to them like look our rage is so bad right now we cannot play the game without a shaman which is fine for raid but terrible for M+
nova marsh
and 2 warriors in there
clearly u just go fury
nova marsh
maybe appeal to them like look our rage is so bad right now we cannot play the g...
Honestly it's kinda terrible for both
latent moss
u dont know
nova marsh
It's trash for pugging in general
minor gust
you can have like 30 ppl in a raid and 20 for Mythic
you are gonna have a shaman player
latent moss
idk i never had a raid without at least 1 shaman
nova marsh
I've had a few
Not this season but I have
I remeber when I was raiding in TWW S2 I was literally the only shaman
if I had been warrior I'd have been fucked
granted
rage wasn't nearly as bad back then
latent moss
tww rage gen wasnt great either
minor gust
TWW was the precursor. Back then the only rage problem was pressing execute without CT
nova marsh
Yeah I dunno what Blizz was smoking to just
Delete all of our rage gen
BL is barely a consolation for what we've lost
random wasp
I'm gearing my alt warrior, does arms need 4 piece or ilvl to function more than fury? Cause my fury is doing much more damage than my arms at the point i'm in. When I check logs and io rankings for keys, arms seems to be doing fine though
latent moss
arms needs 4p so bad
minor gust
so they just do surface level rage nerfs
latent moss
4p is like 5x stronger for arms than fury
nova marsh
Honestly I still think rage at this point
Genuinely
needs to be completely reworked
latent moss
arms shouldnt have rage
nova marsh
Arms should have a different resource at this point
latent moss
its a fake resource for arms
nova marsh
basically yeah
latent moss
it barely influences what u press
nova marsh
we're a CD spec that only looses GCDs if blizz says our bar isn't cosmetic
nova marsh
Share
latent moss
aside from op vs exe
vast helm
opp strike coming back soon
latent moss
thats the only time u think about rage
random wasp
make arms like garen and kat in lol. only cds as resource
nova marsh
na
Disagree
For slayer maybe
for colossus it's part of why it's borderline unplayable without a shaman
latent moss
make arms like garen and kat in lol. only cds as resource
make arms like aphelios
random wasp
now we talking
nova marsh
and rn with slayer so close I genuinely kinda think Colo is actually unplayable
random wasp
change weapon types for different spells
latent moss
y
latent moss
stancedancing
random wasp
ARMS warrior utopia
rare kite
as long as you don't manually press the weapon swapping i'm down. manually stance dancing is aids
random wasp
and rn with slayer so close I genuinely kinda think Colo is actually unplayable
i watch the usual warrior streamers and i havent seen colossus lately
latent moss
as long as you don't manually press the weapon swapping i'm down. manually stanc...
ofc not
nova marsh
i watch the usual warrior streamers and i havent seen colossus lately
Because it's not worth it
latent moss
cause they are trying builds
nova marsh
That too
latent moss
and critcake doesnt like colossus and critcake always gets title anyway
like they have always played
mickey mouse comp
cause they will get title anyway
nova marsh
I don't think its worth it to loose infinite ST for some better aoe
random wasp
slayer seems pretty decent regardless
nova marsh
Yeah
latent moss
I don't think its worth it to loose infinite ST for some better aoe
until the st is irrelevant
like in pit or maisara
slayer >>>> colo in pugs for sure
latent moss
the problem with funnel in pugs
is that often the funnel complicates the pull
adds extra kicks frontals etc
nova marsh
I feel like that's the problem this season
latent moss
and the n1 source of depletes are wipes
nova marsh
Funnel is possible
latent moss
timer isnt tight usually for pugs
nova marsh
Dev is a top dog and wants funnel
Meanwhile arms is lowkey leaning on funnel as all we have left
latent moss
best prio dmg in the game
best funnel in the game
very good aoe as colo
slightly less very good aoe as slayer
very good st
nova marsh
Honestly I kinda just don't like where arms is design wise
latent moss
rets talking about es funnel
while colo does es level funnel
in 4 cleaves
XDDDDDDDDDDDD
the humble 300k heroic strike
the humble 300k cleave
latent moss
Honestly I kinda just don't like where arms is design wise
i think we need to lose a proc
nova marsh
yes
latent moss
3 procs is insane
nova marsh
espically slayer
Like I know people won't like it
But I would rather slayer strikes be guaranteed if you do something
Like maybe X level of MSes or smth idk
And cleaves, whatever ability you wonna tie it too
latent moss
but i lowk dont wanna lose any of the procs we have atm
nova marsh
I don't think any of them need to be outright deleted
latent moss
i mean slayer just needs
nova marsh
Reworked? yes
nova marsh
I mean I also genuinely still hate hero trees
I partly hope blizzard nukes them post TLT
random wasp
I partly hope blizzard nukes them post TLT
unless it's the new way to prune complexity creep i dont see them doing that
nova marsh
A. Balancing nightmare. Literally look at arms right now and the ST difference between Colo and Slayer, and keep in mind...blizzard wants trees to be viable in all situations (which warrior just outright violates at this point, but if I had a nickle for every time blizzard violated their own stated design goals for midnight I'd actually be rich)
B. Design problems between specs. Colossus is a perfect example of this because I see so many people wanting demo baked into CS (myself included). Why won't this happen? Because prot dosen't really have a CD equivlant to CS to just bake it into. Maybe shield charge? The point I'm getting at is changes I feel that are needed for one tree can be reasoned to not happen because it just can't happen for both.
C. I honestly just think so many trees don't fit at all into their specs throughout various points in time and that's really fucking frustrating. Look at trickster outlaw. That spec is a dumpsterfire of a rotation compared to how free flowing Fatebound is, and when it gets tuned higher it genuinely kills so much interest. Another example is LAUNCH (I.E TWW S1) totemic for enhancement. The spec was obviously designed for resto and had completely garbage interactions with enhance until they reworked it.
D. It literally killed the entire idea of class skins because now blizz can just say "look we did that!"
The last one is honestly kinda a personal salt point ngl
nova marsh
unless it's the new way to prune complexity creep i dont see them doing that
I mean honestly
if blizz keeps on this path they set with midnight
And goes into 14.0 with it
I can genuinely see it
reef glade
the A point sure but I have not seen a single soul in this planet mention the B point
latent moss
A. Balancing nightmare. Literally look at arms right now and the ST difference b...
tbh the only perspective i have is warrior as this season is the first time ive actually kinda multiclassed
st diff between colo and slayer is just cause of bad design. if demolish wasnt an aoe spell it would be a lot closer. demolish needs that boomstick talent. also ms is just very weak compared to op/exe and slayer makes better use of both
but my guess is they are afraid of buffing colo?
reef glade
I wish demo wasn’t a silly channel that rooted you can can miss if tank runs away but either if it’s not a channel or if you just weren’t movement locked then you never miss and it’s fine
latent moss
considering how fucking insane
reef glade
It combining it cs is just pointless lol no
reef glade
“Cs does 1000% more damage” ok cool and then what
reef glade
tf that’s like the best part about it
latent moss
they should just be on am
reef glade
it’s atrocious on st and should get buffed on st by like double or 1.5x or something
but it feels so flames in aoe
latent moss
i mean u could just nerf its cdr and make it do more damage
so it actually does damage unlike now
reef glade
mostly with current tier set just slamming 2 demo’s in 1 cs is just gas
latent moss
where 1 ravager cleave does the same amount
nova marsh
tbh the only perspective i have is warrior as this season is the first time ive ...
I think demo being an aoe spell is silly
Because uhh
yes I know the only reason BS is good in ST is unhinged
latent moss
juiced cleave prolly beats demo on 3t
reef glade
cleave with 500 damage modifiers sure
reef glade
but how often u lining up every single cleave buff
nova marsh
God
reef glade
Where demo is every like 20s
nova marsh
please delete the cleave buffs a little
latent moss
yeah but not every demo is inside cs
reef glade
and the single target hits are also fat on prio
multiple hits so end result number not as big sadga
latent moss
well it is on ur prio mob
reef glade
it is on paladins we were talm bout
reef glade
unless ur tanks are actually monkeys they prolly can’t troll that hard
maybe lose 2-3 seconds of optimal uptime every 40 or so seconds but even despite that it’s just perma winning crank
paladins by far the fight I look forward to reclearing the most
single most satisfying fight me thinks for what we can do
latent moss
mostly with current tier set just slamming 2 demo’s in 1 cs is just gas
dw its gone in a few months
cause we never get tiersets
reef glade
so also sad haven’t killed last 2 weeks cuz 10 min p1 factory time more important
latent moss
added to the tree
minor gust
4pc is strong and impactful enough it could just be our 4th apex
latent moss
it should be
cause 4th apex is cringe
it just falls off
in m+
W
me when i lose 15% damage
reef glade
yea I mean these 20-30 second buff durations need to die
minor gust
me when I design another arms buff that only lasts 30 seconds
latent moss
why does
reef glade
lose it mythic alleria intermission for fun
minor gust
when ID is 1 min
latent moss
eradicate on ddh never expire
reef glade
remember when they cared about arms qol
latent moss
no
reef glade
75 fatal mark duration buffs in raszageth tier
latent moss
arms has been the opposite of qol for as long as i can remember
reef glade
cuz it would always fall off rasz
reef glade
Went into tier they lasted like 30 seconds then got buffed to 1m then 2m then 3min I think
latent moss
its so tiring mentally staring at cm while running to the next pull
latent moss
Went into tier they lasted like 30 seconds then got buffed to 1m then 2m then 3m...
yeah cause blizzard thinks warriors have 100% uptime always
reef glade
yea they actually paid attention cuz it was a relatively significant boss and a pretty significant talent you built up over like 6 or 7 minutes
reef glade
but oh we lose 80% of our buffs during alleria intermission oh well no reason to care it’s not an important boss
that’s just like a heroic strike or sum yea
latent moss
ye except hs expires
reef glade
think it’s so weird afaik I’ve never seen any buff on my bars that says i have heroic strike
I don’t know how long it lasts or when it goes away
balmy kindle
Colossal might
latent moss
think it’s so weird afaik I’ve never seen any buff on my bars that says i have h...
yeah thats why
u cant track it
reef glade
yea I mean that just makes sense
oh I want to bring a powerful damage proc into the (previously) tight damage check of a Beloren egg but oop if I didn’t proc it in the last 5 seconds before he flies up can just go fuck urself cuz you have no clue when it’s going to go away and u just mess up ur whole flow
latent moss
oh I want to bring a powerful damage proc into the (previously) tight damage che...
buffs like cm and heroic might
flat willow
I really like arms but I think it's the single spec that with the least quality of life
Ever
latent moss
should never expire
it is
a friend recently made a warr for fun
and i told him to play arms cause its cooler
flat willow
It's like the definition of the opposite of it
flat willow
And it's been like that since ever too
latent moss
yep
reef glade
buffs like cm and heroic might
Yea those u can watch and bring into belo egg
reef glade
But colo on belo cluegi
reef glade
Ya ik
latent moss
he asked me how tf have i been playing this for years
like this season ive been multiclassing a lot
and i just like arms more idk
latent moss
reef glade
it’s crazy how the dichotomy between fury and arms feels the same between demo and destro
reef glade
demo face roll constant cleave with 3 buttons like fury but destro has bonkers 2t and crazy execute but double the rotational buttons as demo for fun like arms
Idk how aff plays don’t care will always be boring
muh dots
but warlock just feels like ranged warrior rn lol idk
flat willow
I wanted to try outlaw rogue but nobody wants a rogue
latent moss
demo face roll constant cleave with 3 buttons like fury but destro has bonkers 2...
im liking ddh so far
very braindead rota
but buttons satisfying
i tried it at 90 ilvl 280 sum
a month ago
latent moss
but warlock just feels like ranged warrior rn lol idk
has war in the name
crazy how
EVERYONE
has this except warrior
👎
minor gust
im liking ddh so far
yee DDH is my alt rn its loop is simple yet satisfying
also shift makes it feel op
latent moss
its very very unique
well its baby legion sp
but
for midnight design
i think theyve done a good job
its midnight design
simple rota but fun
random wasp
Idk how aff plays don’t care will always be boring
they what now
a lot of warlock players agree that aff > demo > destro in terms of fun
me included
destro is giga more mindless than arms is
the hard part of destro is the low mobility. rotation is super super automatic
novel cloud
I fucking love aff lock. Can tell a difference between good and bad for sure
That shit CRANKS brother
random wasp
aff lock is the easiest pump of your life in keys rn
yep
i main aff lock this season
novel cloud
I was fury and decided to roll a lock. I have NEVER played ranged in my life since og wotlk
hybrid needle
but ST of aff is absolutely horrid
random wasp
not that bad
novel cloud
I am now a lock main
random wasp
dracz
problem of aff lock is that its damage profile dont fit the raid and that demo is better in keys
novel cloud
Nah man i pull like 75-80k at 265 if it isnt mechanically intense
random wasp
but aff is sleeper strong
novel cloud
If i gotta move a lot its more like 55-60k
hybrid needle
Oh yeah i do play with an affl now and then
INsane pad dmg, no prio dmg, no ST dmg
basically mountain thane
novel cloud
But them aoe pulls make up for it
random wasp
meh, the st is not that bad
random wasp
im normally first
novel cloud
First if i get to stand still hehe
random wasp
in pugs
hybrid needle
Throw some numbers
reef glade
the hard part of destro is the low mobility. rotation is super super automatic
bruh what u have like 75 things to upkeep as destro
random wasp
bruh what u have like 75 things to upkeep as destro
spend shards
generate shard
havoc auto mantains
cataclysm and conflag spread wither
reef glade
keep up wither dont hit malevolence without wither up or fuckin explode into 12 billion pieces hit soul fire every 45 seconds pay attention to havoc uptime
demo is literally spam hog
random wasp
demo has mfs clipping them demonic rituals
to save them for later
demo is full of dirty tech
but demo is wack a mole spec besides the grimy tech
hidden merlin
If I pop demolish with like 5 seconds before colossus is up, do I then wait for demolish off cooldown to pop colossus, or are you guys just sending shit as it comes?
reef glade
i mean you probably just shouldnt hit demolish if cs is 5 seconds away id think lol
if like 15 or more sure you'll likely get it back in the upcoming cs
but 5 a bit risky
hidden merlin
Ok ty
hybrid needle
5s is literally press Cleave, MS, its off cd
reef glade
yea
hidden merlin
I’m thinking maybe 10 secs or more?
hybrid needle
about 15s sounds like a good spot i feel like
reef glade
idk an exact number but somewhere around there is 'ok' sure
also assumes if you have a lot of rage and you can decently extend cs uptime with lots of ms/cleave that might help hold it over to next demo
but if u just slam a warbreaker on like 3 mobs and have no rage then u kinda explode i think
either way yea not the end of the world
hidden merlin
I c
pulsar frost
I’m thinking maybe 10 secs or more?
10 and more is fine
I wouldn't send on 5 tho
15 and more is safe as well
keen siren
hey does anyone have a talent build for dreamrift?
rn im just running the mplus build
wondering what i change out
spring vale
Theres a chimmy build on the wowhead guide if you check raid tips
Theres suggested builds per boss
clever crag
wondering what i change out
Its basically the same or you can run slayer cleave
Depends how fast ppl kill adds
latent moss
hey does anyone have a talent build for dreamrift?
idk in my pugs
adds never live
for any relevant amount of time
so i play broad strokes nad powerful momentum
u usually have a ddh oneshotting them
wind hatch
so i play broad strokes nad powerful momentum
^
latent moss
^
well specifically i played
broad strokes tactical edge powerful
no mp
tactical edge is more st and 2t
u ms with tactical edge up only
in execute
if u have mp and te in the full st u ms on 2x ep
the te build is kinda sick honestly cause on imperator for example
u can just swap out just warming up
for broad strokes
and get more hs procs on immune add
and lose 0.4% dps on st
wind hatch
might try it
latent moss
on vorasius too i guess
latent moss
it also sims higher than 2x bb on st
need the apl tho
but walhe said it sims lower for him idk what hes doing
but its simming higher for me and fishy
wind hatch
u dont press rend
huge
stable mountain
first time doing raid i think this is good 
gilded kraken
i assume im not alone on this but does anyone else have a very annoying issue with basically every cdm addon
latent moss
ayije is good
gilded kraken
where very high haste scenarios cause low cd abilities like cleave and ms to freak out
it happens in ayije
stable fiber
where very high haste scenarios cause low cd abilities like cleave and ms to fre...
that isnt the cdm's fault
gilded kraken
in arcui
stable fiber
that is the game
stable fiber
idk what causes it but some buttons just freak out and go on gcd but dont actually go off
gilded kraken
only way to fix it is by just dragging action bars to the middle of the screen xd
stable fiber
oh ur having a different issue
gilded kraken
but then it shows it as being off cd for a second
then back to on cd
then back again
and it's distracting as fuck xd
ive yet to test raw cdm tho
just wanted to know
gilded kraken
its egregious as fury, borderline unplayable
i can try and whip up a clip to see if anyone else had it somehow
gilded kraken
this was as fury with just guidon + drums, its much much worse during actual lust
notice how the second execute flickers as if its off cd for a second and then back to being on cd xd
it bugs me the fuck out it hate it
balmy kindle
any verdict on the no skyfury slayer build that uses TE
latent moss
any verdict on the no skyfury slayer build that uses TE
im too busy palying alts atm
gilded kraken
yeah its very very weird idk xd
balmy kindle
im too busy palying alts atm
i am too close to 3500
gilded kraken
only way for me to actually 100% know if something is on cd is if i know i just pressed it 1 or 2 gcds ago
balmy kindle
to try
gilded kraken
infuriating shit
stable fiber
yo
gilded kraken
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stable fiber
i need to find people that are good at the game to consistently do keys with
i hate waiting 50 mins inbetween a key to find a key just for it to be like a 75% chance of a brick
stable fiber
like spend 70 mins for a guardian druid that dies on the 2nd pull of maisara 20
into abandon
latent moss
the only time i was more tilted
stable fiber
spec has 0 rotational buttons compared to arms/fury
latent moss
was when playing ignite fire mage in timewalking
this is so fucking cancer
to play
i cant collapsing star ever
cosmic locked
stunned
feared
stable fiber
the craziest part is the spec is actually hard
latent moss
ye it has crazy minmax
stable fiber
and its not the rotation
latent moss
ye its just soul shi right
stable fiber
its just knowing when you can cast
latent moss
like smuggling and stuff
stable fiber
think its the hardest spec in the game in m+ after playing it a bit
harder then pre .5 colo arms
latent moss
pre .5 colo arms try not to fuck up your rotation challenge impossible
bro this te shit
is impossible to play
the curse build
i send cs bs
then i stare at my bars for 3 seconds
trying to figure out what to press
its 1 fucking talent
and it complicates the prio 10x
also no collapsing star on meta is grr
latent moss
think its the hardest spec in the game in m+ after playing it a bit
soul immo feels worse to press than slam
stable fiber
its ok
latent moss
why is it not ogcd
stable fiber
i like consume