arms

[stoic oriole]

Yes

I see my 300k and feel like shit when I see the ret doing 800k and the surv hunter doing 700k

[nova marsh]

But theg st dosent exist this tier

[tranquil swift]

for col arms, is there anything we can do to make the ST a little better? lik ea talent we can swithc?

[strong copper]

your tank gotta funnel

that's the only "cheat"

[tranquil swift]

lets say my tank is brain dead

and doesnt

xD

[strong copper]

you're fucked LOL

[minor gust]

then you swap and play slayer instead

[strong copper]

^this

[tranquil swift]

i just tried slayer and did so fucking bad hahaha

[minor gust]

keep practicing

[strong copper]

ideally people would slam a single target to get you in exec SS range but

yeah

[nova marsh]

You can drop mass exe and powerful in most dungeons for martial prowess and overpowering finish

It does okay

[latent moss]

do not drop powerful

if u need st as colo

u go slayer

colo just has terrible st

[nova marsh]

The real answer

[latent moss]

no amount of talent switching will help

[nova marsh]

Is colo dosent exist

[latent moss]

mp overpowering finish etc

are mickey mouse talents

all of our st talents are bad

u can legit pick random talents and do the same st

[nova marsh]

Tbh with the buffs

[minor gust]

real

[opal jackal]

20 AA is my last for resil and I keep getting flamed in my groups for the first pull as slayer

[nova marsh]

Kinda feel like colo is a tad trolly

[opal jackal]

although i have most damage to vicious lashers usually

[latent moss]

tell them to look on big lashers

[tranquil swift]

maybe we cut the bullshit and just go back to fury thane where its just braindead easy lmao

[latent moss]

idk they are tarded then

[nova marsh]

Na man

800k first pull or ur trash

Is their mentality

[opal jackal]

fury does similar that first pull right

or is it more

[latent moss]

less

on both prio and aoe

[opal jackal]

i was wondering why none of the big EU arms warriors have AA 20+ vods as slayer

[latent moss]

critcake has 21?

idk if theres a vod

[minor gust]

both Biz and Crit have done AA as slayer just go through their stream vods

[opal jackal]

it would be attached to the key on raider.io if they had a vod for it

[latent moss]

u have to attach it yourself

and they arent doing it

[tranquil swift]

playing col only going forward wont budge

wont budge!

[minor gust]

thats fine just accept you will be useles on bosses

[latent moss]

all im gonna say

[nova marsh]

Alright juat slip ur tank a crisp one evrey key

[latent moss]

is slayer is better for that

if u wanna onetrick

onetrick slayer

kha did 240k in 20 maisara today

[nova marsh]

Na fuck one tricking

[latent moss]

130k on vordaza

[tranquil swift]

how ar e they doing those numbers on slayer lol

[minor gust]

funnel

[latent moss]

pressing cleave on cooldown

in aoe

and something in between

and not losing globas/utpime

[balmy kindle]

Both have it's place though but I've been liking slayer a lot more

When you see 35% it's time

[nova marsh]

Guys

U think we get more rage

For s2?

[latent moss]

hopefully

[minor gust]

when I make my rage post for 12.1

[latent moss]

more rage and tierset as a talent

[minor gust]

Surely it works again

[fresh spire]

[tranquil swift]

i dont get how people doing so much on slayer i feel so dead on it.. and im 285

[nova marsh]

I kinda doubt we get tier set as a talent next tier

Maybe in tlt

[chilly wind]

My warrior was in his 15 years only orc or human. Wanna try something new, any recommendstions with good looking transmogs?

[tranquil swift]

how much better is slayer arm vs fury thane

[nova marsh]

Kul tiran

Yes im bias

[latent moss]

better

[minor gust]

go watch other people play. Pressing the correct buttons is the easy part. Next step is maintaining uptime and using every global

[fresh spire]

Current tier does an unbelievable amount of carrying to arms. If we don't retain the tier its going to tank hard lol

[latent moss]

i think

4th apex needs to go

[minor gust]

the tier is going no way we keep

[latent moss]

and replaced by tier

[minor gust]

[chilly wind]

Is slayer Strong Right now in keys? Only played collossus so far

[latent moss]

4th apex just sucsk man i hate it

it just drops randomly in m+

due to downtime

[minor gust]

yes its strong

[latent moss]

very strong

i dont think arms needs much to feel very good

[minor gust]

does everything colo does just slightly less but then has amazing ST

[tranquil swift]

can slayer be played in all keys?

[minor gust]

of course

[latent moss]

it can be played in more keys than colo

[tranquil swift]

im not a big fan of going back and forth i like to just pick one and play it lol

so iof slayer is better overral cause of ST then so be it!

[latent moss]

u can never go wrong with slayer

but u can sometimes go wrong with colo

[tranquil swift]

this look right

[balmy kindle]

Yes

[robust cypress]

if I have a tank pulling mobs ontop of bosses I play colo right?

[summer shore]

how do you guys dps first lust pull in AA as slayer

[eternal flame]

Do we never press Slam in Multitarget fights as slayer?
And At how many enemies should I use cleave. 3?

[minor gust]

the same way you do every pull press cleave

Arms especially slayer isnt gonna do crazy numbers on the AA pull

[summer shore]

it just feels so bad

[minor gust]

you are doing your job and thats killing lashers

which is all that matters

everything else is pad

[summer shore]

yea but pugs don't know that

lol

[vast tinsel]

has anyone ever typed to you about your damage in a key

not something I have experienced once

[summer shore]

when tank dies on first pull, normally they think it's because of the damage is too low

[minor gust]

educate them and move on not much you can do

[dim basalt]

Tanks usually dont even have to kite it

Especially when theres a feral that does like 700k dps on the lashers alone

[cinder ingot]

Anyone could help me with some question for m+ and raid talent pls ?

[slow saddle]

Wowhead does well

[slow saddle]

It is, if lashies live

[fresh spire]

[minor gust]

[hasty pumice]

[candid garden]

Rly like the slayer build tbh

Feels satisfying doing upwards to 100k dps ST as opposed to the abysmal colossus ST dps

Got beat by a WW monk recently tho, he was pumping 120k ST

[cinder ingot]

Ofc but i need a cool talents for myhtic raid

[slow saddle]

I mean

Wowhead + flex points isnall

[rustic reef]

Have you guys ever seen someone who is really good at pvp tryhard in pve and fail ?

[drowsy sierra]

How legit is Warbreaker's builds for arms? It's been linked in the FAQ.

[drowsy sierra]

I tryhard in both and still fail

[rustic reef]

Idk if someone is like 3k in arena id expect them to be as good maybe better in pve

[wide apex]

often not true

its hard to be good if you don't care

[cinder ingot]

Where you guys copy raid talent for void/march/dream? myhtic ofc

[rustic reef]

@hard cobalt

[rustic reef]

Reason im asking this is i feel like I got a good sense of the theory and what you are supposed to be doing but my execution sucks

[pliant lagoon]

well imo pvp is more about what the others are doing and pve is about what you are doing

Bosses don't really do erratic stuff that is unexpected

[untold pewter]

Wclogs

[pliant lagoon]

and pve needs you to stay focused longer with lesser breaks in between

Pvp is more intense, but shorter (in general)

so there is a difference

[cinder ingot]

I was checked already should i try them ? In top 10 arms are chinese guy

They are different😂😂

[dim basalt]

Ignore the chinese logs

Theyre often cheesed or padded like hell

[balmy kindle]

PI magic + colossus

[gaunt sapphire]

Slayer exe m+ build works just fine for the fight imo

[cinder ingot]

Could you send me in private? I just pm you

[thorn stream]

I just had nightmare

playing next season without current 4set bonus

[tropic dock]

Can someone please DM me a macro for "My Focus Target is (Diamond)" - I cant seem to find one online

[stable fiber]

i dont know if thats a macro

i think its a addon

[tropic dock]

Ohh what addon is it

[stable fiber]

it always happens when someone ready checks in a m+ dungeon

let me dig for a bit i have no idea what addon it is

[daring heron]

Itruliaqol

[tropic dock]

Thanks Critcake!

[stable fiber]

wait that addon is insane

[uneven minnow]

my sim is up to 103,184 waow

[tropic dock]

Anyone using Exboss addon here? I can't get the Bun Bar and Timer Ability bar to work, tried everything.

[fiery monolith]

non warrior related question. is there some sort of soft/hard cap on voidcores or am i good to splooge it on nonideal trinkets

[thorn stream]

they are neither gated nor capped iirc
so you can grind tf out of them

[uneven minnow]

yeah the cap is how much time you want to spend

[umbral linden]

ugh ddh
ew

[latent moss]

@tacit crystal

rate my aura

[umbral linden]

xala and void theme are the only two good things about ddog

[bronze saddle]

Where can I see the list of compilations on which spell can be reflected in dungeon/raids this expac? Is there a pinned post? Thank you

[tacit crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/stitch-licks-slime-gif-7826310196799265789

[thick kelp]

https://maxroll.gg/wow/resources/spell-reflect-guide

[thick kelp]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1485241806609453097/1491525092369371368/arms.gif

[tacit crystal]

thoughts

[latent moss]

bro why is this

spec

designed so well

[bronze saddle]

Thank you!

[latent moss]

i knew it was john midnight but

its fun asf

didnt think consume spam would somehow be fun but it is

[tacit crystal]

except 90% of your casts are consume

lol

[thick kelp]

95%*

[latent moss]

90% of ur casts are cleave lil gup

[umbral linden]

tested ddog on release and didn't believe that blizz made literal 1-button spec in retail era

[latent moss]

what does bro have against ddh 😭

[thick kelp]

Just play havoc lilbro

[latent moss]

counterpoint: xalatath

[tender plaza]

Havoc is caster, which is very ghey

[latent moss]

@thick kelp checkmate

[umbral linden]

xala point is unbeatable

[thick kelp]

cuckmate

[umbral linden]

me see caster meta
me hate caster meta

[latent moss]

wtf

im tactically edging

my slayer arms

[thick kelp]

uhhuh

[rare kite]

It's fun in the beginning then i get bored coz it has no procs

[clever crag]

Devo is a trash spec

Pres evoker is a trash spec

Any evoker is a trash spec

[latent moss]

nah

pres is based

[dim basalt]

Pres looks pretty cool

[latent moss]

it is

[dim basalt]

I lowkey wanna try aug and pres but I cba levelling

[latent moss]

ye

at least its tw

this week

not that bad

[dim basalt]

Oh true

[slender sonnet]

I’ve been having fun on my evoker

[clever crag]

Pres is cancer to the game in pvp

Aug is cancer to m+

Way overtuned and pres in pvp actually gamebreaking

[fiery inlet]

aug is also very boring

[ancient jolt]

Hello everyone. Could anyone explain to me please. As a slarms on execute do you just spam exec and press OP when no rage or you keep OP on cooldown?

[latent moss]

wowhead explains it

[clever crag]

Slarms still plays EP no?

[latent moss]

every arms spec plays ep

cause u have to path to avatar

but its not always worth to ms with 2x ep

e.g m+ build

cause u dont play mp

[leaden garnet]

Gold number in a raid

(It's not a relevant fight)

[latent moss]

goat stuff only

they are all relevant if

[clever crag]

So you just spam exe and op ?

[lyric flame]

this insane tab targeting trick is guaranteed to get you kicked from the resi group! key pushers hate this one trick! (xxx REAL gone sexual)

[latent moss]

without mp ye

u press ms if 2x ep and cs up

[clever crag]

Martial prowess?

[latent moss]

yes

[thick kelp]

holy tank ui

[lyric flame]

it is nice for prot ill give u that

[thick kelp]

highkey fw it

[hasty pumice]

highkey lowkeying

slayer arms warrior and slayer arms warrior2 when

[thick kelp]

@latent moss

[latent moss]

colossal balls 123

[hasty pumice]

[atomic crown]

hi
i'm very new to arms. decided to level one as my first alt this season after playing DH tank until now. i'm only 86 but i'm wondering if the APM stays that low with full gear on max level? it feels even slower than the already slow VDH

[vapid goblet]

yes

we have rage problems now because reasons

[atomic crown]

i mean GCD

[rigid flicker]

We stack crit and haste

[atomic crown]

but yes, rage feels pretty bad in lower levels too but i played sub rogue for the entirety of TWW so i'm used to not press anything for a moment

[plush anchor]

If I’m struggling with the fast pace nature of the fury rotation do you guys think I’ll find arms much easier? I come here from frost dk and ret pally mains

[reef glade]

bit easier than fury with how often you hit buttons but bit harder cuz there’s a lot more different buttons to hit

[flat willow]

If your only problem with fury is the pace then arms is a little slower yes

[slow saddle]

But if not id say go back 2 fdk and ret🤣

[magic pike]

should u ever send bs during execute phase, if you dont have cs/avatar up?

[thick kelp]

only during CS

[hasty pumice]

Never send bs without CS

[olive nest]

Arms owns

[thorn stream]

[olive nest]

[latent moss]

good rule of thumb is to never send anything without cs

[somber wave]

what are the target dummies are you guys using?

I just got turnip punching bag but I have nothing else

and it's 1h cd

[hasty pumice]

Not even you a good night text?

[latent moss]

there are exceptions...

[flat willow]

no exception

cops arrest me, if they don't pop cs I ain't talking

[somber wave]

but avatar we press whenever?

obviously ideally lined with other cds

[upper magnet]

Avatar with CS too

[thorn stream]

press cs on cd and hold BS/ava for cs afaik

[magic pike]

I got a bit confused about my 3 cds, until I basically just realized that you can send CS whenever (unless avatar/bs is up in 5-10 seconds).
And avatar + bladestorm you only send when CS is up.

[marble rose]

Arms is definitely easier on my old man hands for what its worth.

[slow saddle]

Faster brain slower hands indeed work

[hard cobalt]

It’s the latest builds as per I’ve been told. But I don’t update them unless some smart warrior tells me something changed

[stable silo]

does anyone else have problems uploading logs? You can see the report but it doesn't get updated on your character

[umbral linden]

arms harder rotation and "thinking", easier apm than fury imo

the way i described it made arms look like

https://tenor.com/view/cat-thinking-baby-thinking-cat-baby-thinking-cat-baby-baby-philosophical-gif-17428742062241334001

[lofty fulcrum]

On execute phase, I know you only OP and execute, and during CS you mortal strike with 2 stacks of EP, but what’s the prio if you have multiple OP and you can execute, and also have mortal strike? Ty for helping me out here

[brazen plover]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898720803586048/1504577119806558361/Arms_prio.png?ex=6a0826e3&is=6a06d563&hm=73b79093f84cdaf25d2092dc0450405bebe08407ac013710c13275680991a47d&

[dim basalt]

Cone so tired of people not reading a guide he just wrote a quick rundown

[latent moss]

and theres a typo that pisses me off

in exec phase

sd
exec

like whats the point of exec there

[dim basalt]

Gotta live with it now

[hasty pumice]

Bro what's the rotation for arms when you have talent xy and ab is up + my balls are itchy so I can't press rota

[hasty pumice]

Soon 4k Rio

Where are you at my son

[latent moss]

rend

ww with 3 stacks of collat or hs up

[hasty pumice]

What if I don't have rend skilled

[thick kelp]

Tell me

slarms key build

new and shiny one

[latent moss]

drop crushing combo for te

cleave>sd>opp op>ms with te up>exe>op

[thick kelp]

??

[runic briar]

sd = sudden death?

[hasty pumice]

Yes this

[latent moss]

ye replace crushing combo with te gng

[hasty pumice]

That's what I play in every key

[hasty pumice]

Why

[latent moss]

more damage

[thick kelp]

well ofc whats what I do too

but Cone is going crazy

[hasty pumice]

What was crushing combo again

[latent moss]

bro te is better

cleave spam

[thick kelp]

in keys

monkas

[hasty pumice]

Hell no why would I drop that

[latent moss]

ye

[hasty pumice]

What is colossus arms warrior2 cooking

[latent moss]

ye

[thick kelp]

better be coooking good for my npx 14

page of times

[hasty pumice]

With funnel etc there is absolutely no shot it's better

Cleave + funnel and especially prio damage goes crazy

[thick kelp]

mama mia

here I go again

listening to cone

[latent moss]

its 2.4% more st 0.4% more aoe and like same prio

but its cancer to play

cause everything is glowing all the time

and u get confused

u only ms with TE up in execute

2x ep + te up + cs up

[dim basalt]

warcrime

[latent moss]

ms needs a solid 5 trillion % buff

[fresh spire]

I tried it. Its not horrible. Aoe defo a less bursty.

But st felt insane good

Basically do you want 2 extra cleaves that have a chance to hit a reap or 2 oppertunist overpowers that do pretty good damage on both St and aoe

[latent moss]

i forgot to try forcing 2x opp op

might be worth

but its prolly some mickey mouse increase/decrease

[fresh spire]

Also losing 2 seconds of Cs

[latent moss]

cause 2x opp is kinda rare

[latent moss]

is it?

cause ms prio is higher

i guess on aoe yeah

to prio it should be the same

[thick kelp]

Crazy boss dam

[hasty pumice]

I

Feel like I'm being hard trolled here

I gotta sim that later cause

[median spire]

Really struggling with AoE damage on big pulls in M+. Tried both colossus and slayer, I just do not get over 300-400k on first pull of algethar for example

[hasty pumice]

Hey our best button we get way less of now

In exchange for pressing more MS in aoe

Sounds giga troll

I also feel like I never really run out of buttons to press in aoe?

Why would I trade two OPs for two cleaves

Mind you I feel like OP is SIM bait too cause

The Dreadnaught hitbox is SUPER tiny

[latent moss]

in that pull u do the damage that matters

[hasty pumice]

You can't even hit all cleave target dummies with it

[latent moss]

cleave is softcapped to 5

ure not gonna do good damage to 40 targets

[hasty pumice]

Isn't it softcapped to 8?

[latent moss]

no

thats the insane part

[hasty pumice]

Who tf hits 40 targets

[latent moss]

first pull algethar

[hasty pumice]

I feel like this is 100% not the way

[latent moss]

when deep wounds was on cleave

i think deep wounds was beating cleave for me on algethar first pull

cause its uncapped

and rend is giga high that pull

[hasty pumice]

Yeah but you don't bring arms in academy for the first pull

[tardy hawk]

is it still worth doing t1 farms anymore or nah?

[latent moss]

i mean as fishy said its between 2 cleaves that can proc reap or 2 opportunist ops that do very good damage

[latent moss]

ye thats what i said too

[thick kelp]

man this rotation is dogshit

[latent moss]

it is

i like the no execute full op a lot more than

i will not be playing te with massacre ct

first of all

i dont know what to press in cds

like i wrote the apl and i still dont know what to press cause everything is glowing everything is yelling press me

cba

[hasty pumice]

Can you send me the SIM results in 1, 3, 5 and 8 with the two talents in comparison

Cause

I genuinely don't buy it

If we went all OP sure

[thick kelp]

Yeah the boss dam is fine for this build @latent moss

[hasty pumice]

But we have empowered cleaves, we have huge prio damage with cleave

[thick kelp]

kek

[latent moss]

opp op is like

ur 2nd hardest hitter

i think

after juiced ms

which is never juiced in m+

[hasty pumice]

Like on 3 targets boss funnel

Giga extending your CS with massive prio

For two fucking tactician procs

Man I don't buy it, I don't want to Lol

[surreal spade]

guys

in overral

what is better

Massacre Slayer or the regular slayer?

my damage is so fickle

sometimes VERY GOOD, other very bad

im tilted

and collossus single target is shit

im kinda lost

[latent moss]

3t 3min which is realistic for key funnel
cc: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aLQgmsHUAhyUU6u3RASxnt/simc
126,052 dps to main target

te: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eymrG91WzD6fYEVu4JNV4M/simc
126,523 dps

there could be some more minor te optimizations

[thick kelp]

bleh

[latent moss]

why is cleave so low

[thick kelp]

idk

[latent moss]

low ahh key prolly

[thick kelp]

+14 npx

shit was in exe phase after my BS

[latent moss]

yeah makes sense

[latent moss]

personally i dont understand either

[thick kelp]

Does your Ui track

TE

[latent moss]

its impossible

its bugged

[thick kelp]

GG

i knew it

[rose matrix]

Seeing a solo resto in a queue thinking they will invite me

[tacit crystal]

cleave owns though

consume is meh

[rose matrix]

People would literally rather take anything other than Arms

It's pretty crazy

[tacit crystal]

what is this

[latent moss]

tactical edge

[thick kelp]

tactical edging

[latent moss]

edge ur tactics

[tacit crystal]

i just woke up

what is that

[latent moss]

an arms warrior talent

[thick kelp]

choice node with the cool cleave talent

[rose matrix]

Anyone yet to play that build in M+?

Haven't got the chance

[latent moss]

save urself from a headache

and dont play it

[thick kelp]

Its very bothersome to play

cuz u cant even track TE stacks

cuz its bugged for 0 reason

[latent moss]

wouldve worked with weakauras

is all im gonna say

[thick kelp]

caught

hasting

[latent moss]

same

but i have fuckass haste

cause vorasius ring

walhe i need u to give me

10 magisters

5 of them preferably

need to roll

to upgrade

to get discounts on warr

[thick kelp]

Just rerolled my magisters away on my warr

[latent moss]

i guess bro

do u have it on ur alts

surely we can q into 1 with ur 350 ilvl warrior

[thick kelp]

aaaaaaaaaa

[latent moss]

aa is good too i think

if i get discounts

[sacred zodiac]

fake simulation

[latent moss]

i think im 290 next week

[thick kelp]

8min sim

[latent moss]

8 hour sim

[sacred zodiac]

👍

[sacred zodiac]

8 hour 2 billion target sim

[latent moss]

👎

[sacred zodiac]

dont downvote me

[thick kelp]

👎

[latent moss]

👎

[pulsar frost]

👎

[latent moss]

can u try the curse

i tried making master tactician work

but its impossilbe

its so dogshit

its 0.4% on st

?????????????

[latent moss]

it mogs massacre slayer on st without windfury

[zenith hamlet]

trying out arms do i ever use heroic strike in aoe?

[latent moss]

no

cleave uses it for you

[zenith hamlet]

ok

[latent moss]

with fervor of battle

[zenith hamlet]

oh

sweet

[latent moss]

and makes it deal 50% more damage

[umbral linden]

is there some in-depth guide about ap conversion and weapon dps?

[zenith hamlet]

also is bs dont line us with other cds do i just send it?

[latent moss]

no

[zenith hamlet]

if*

[latent moss]

always hold it for cs

[zenith hamlet]

ok thx

[latent moss]

u always hold everything for cs

[leaden garnet]

Myth Gaze from one reroll

💪

[latent moss]

goat king stuff only

[umbral linden]

want to know why weapon is so important for arms

[latent moss]

[latent moss]

weapon dps is an insane stat

[umbral linden]

garhlad hammer last from the whole pit list)

[leaden garnet]

It's important for every spec?

[zenith hamlet]

in aoe do i still do execute x2 mortal strike ? or just send mortal strike with what i got

[umbral linden]

i know, just want to know why

[latent moss]

i might be wrong but i remember ashkandur back in s2 df

being the biggest for arms

out of all 2h specs

[sacred zodiac]

bigger for paladin

[latent moss]

cause we were doing sims

i never knew why

[sacred zodiac]

paladin had some crit damage amp that affected the dot no

[latent moss]

wings

[sacred zodiac]

ya

[latent moss]

just increase ur stat

[umbral linden]

ok
just thought there is some theoretical explanation
want to know nerd number stuff behind my spec

[latent moss]

idk for me it still simmed more

iirc

[sacred zodiac]

maybe equip a real weapon instead of a grey one to pad your sims

[fresh spire]

[arctic junco]

*

[latent moss]

i won heroic beacon cause i said it was my bis

[rain lion]

hey is slayer hybrid better now compared to colossus?

m+

[latent moss]

if u cant get funnel yeah

so in pugs ye

[rain lion]

I've seen half the ladder drop from colossus to slayer

[latent moss]

people testing mostly

[leaden garnet]

Colo will still typically do better overall

[rain lion]

used to be 48 : 2 for colossus and now it's 28 : 22 demolish

[latent moss]

i mean the only thing that matter is

[leaden garnet]

Slayer has the advantage of a more "typical" damage profile

[latent moss]

does slayer save on timer

[sacred zodiac]

too easy

[leaden garnet]

Which makes it flexible

[latent moss]

yeah while still keeping the insane prio dmg/funnel

[leaden garnet]

But make no mistake, Colossus is one of the only things warrior as an entire class really has going for it right now

[thick kelp]

send fullbuild in dms I will try nxt key without WF

[rain lion]

yeah demolish is fun and games but if you can't take advantage of constant aoe fights it sucks

and slayer's way better st

[leaden garnet]

Myth Gaze is an entire ||0.7%|| DPS gain

Insane

xd

[rain lion]

i'm currently doing 17+

so asking what's optimal in that case lol

[arctic junco]

im just running colossus on seat/pit, and changing to slayer on last seat boss with pugs

works

[thick kelp]

I would play slayer in like most keys in this range

the chance of tanks pulling funnel for you is

not that high

ofc u can always ask pre key

if he plans on it

[latent moss]

idk funnel

complicates the key

[rain lion]

yeah depends on the key too

[thick kelp]

in 17s you will deplete due to wipe

[rain lion]

but typically I find funnel very hard to pull of with pugs

[latent moss]

1. tank can die to melee/tank busters from mobs
2. u can wipe due to kicks

[thick kelp]

and pulling funnel increases chance of wipe

[latent moss]

3. u can jsut play slayer do 90% of the aoe of colo

[rain lion]

yeah exactly

[latent moss]

and do infinitely more st

[hasty pumice]

Btw

[rose matrix]

I think the gap is bigger than 10%

[hasty pumice]

Try simming for OP execute then

If we take TE

[rain lion]

yeah 60-65k on single with colossus is ridiculous lol

[rose matrix]

Also Colossus is a lot more consistent in aoe than slayer

[latent moss]

+0.1% on 8t 1min for -0.8% on st over 1 ct

problem is u dont really have anything to drop for it

without dropping all execute talents and playing the curse build

[thick kelp]

@latent moss

[latent moss]

curse obtained

[latent moss]

they are just as inconsistent

as colo ur stuff can just not crit

[latent moss]

how is colo waiting for 4s

on 1 min 8t

wait no this is slayer waiting

nvm

bs unskippable cutscene

[olive nest]

Goat build

[latent moss]

ure saying this cause u never played it

i called it the curse for a reason

[olive nest]

I have no idea what the build is haha

But it’s walhe

So must be goated

[olive nest]

[latent moss]

efficiency is actually really nice

[olive nest]

Now that is something

[latent moss]

ure pressing slam and ur rage bar isnt moving

[minor gust]

He did call it a curse for a reason

[latent moss]

it outsims massacre ct by 5% on st if u dont have skyfury

[rain lion]

oh wow what the hell is that lol

[olive nest]

That’s actually interesting

[rain lion]

it is

[latent moss]

i cooked it for no skyfury

cause i dont have it and wont have it ever

[minor gust]

I do the ol I don't sign up to a key without a shammy in the gro

[rain lion]

no point in rend talent also?

[minor gust]

[reef glade]

give arms reck on cd presses

[latent moss]

bloodsurge?

[rain lion]

ye

[latent moss]

its nothing on st and it sims for 9 trillion on aoe for a reason i dont understand

therefore i wont pick it

[hasty pumice]

What's the +/- on aoe for 5 and 8 targets with the cleave Vs TE shit?

Sorry to bother that much, I'm at work but curious

[latent moss]

-2% on 8t like 1.5% on 5t and +2 on st

i had an apl where te got good on aoe

but i forgot what i did

[reef glade]

More targets is more rage is more poggers non?

[latent moss]

how u gonna use that rage

[reef glade]

le spam cleave and ms and slam idk

[latent moss]

ignore pain?

[reef glade]

ye

[latent moss]

truth nuke

[hasty pumice]

Jesus

I hope it's not all Dreadnaught damage lol

[reef glade]

Aren’t u playing slayer too particularly

[serene hollow]

remember back in the day when rage meant something

[hasty pumice]

I just wonder

[reef glade]

insta rage vacuum to press execute 1 single time

[hasty pumice]

How often will it happen that I'll not be able to even press ms

[reef glade]

have to imagine it’s like mandatory just cuz of that

[latent moss]

ms is high on prio

cleave>op with 2x opp>sd>ms with te up>opp op>exe with high rage>op

but lowkey its not wortth it

it plays so ass

walhe can confirm

[reef glade]

yea who tf is counting allat

[latent moss]

u cant even track te

[reef glade]

hit buttons n shih

[latent moss]

cause its bugged

[rain lion]

rip

[latent moss]

u have 2x ct

[reef glade]

Ok my bad

2 times

[rain lion]

thanks for the tips lads will defo try slayer and the curse build lol

[latent moss]

its called curse for a reason

its best not to touch it

[rain lion]

haha

[latent moss]

i did like 1 key with it and i was confused 24/7 on aoe

[rain lion]

once touched you won't play diff spec is it

[latent moss]

no

[minor gust]

Just play with a shaman or play massacre build without one and just accept you may rage starve

[latent moss]

once touched u will off yourself

[minor gust]

Lmao that's how I felt when I tried. That's why I asked for the apl

Was like wtf man this feels wrong

[rain lion]

but like

the opener

[latent moss]

if te was trackable

it would be a lot better

[rain lion]

you just cs bladestorm thats it?

prio rend ?

what's the playtrack

and then cleave ms

[latent moss]

cleave
op with 2x opp
sd
ms with te up
opp op
exe with high rage
op
rend
ms

[hasty pumice]

If I have a lot of SD procs and tact procs, do I even ever fucking press MS

Cause the buff to proc TE from MS is like

20 seconds long iirc

No?

[latent moss]

yea

well i think

te's value

comes from low rolling

cause thats when it fills with useful globals

it feels really good on st

[rain lion]

thanks

[night pumice]

If im just tryin to get into a good arms rythm and wanna modtly play slayer since I pug most the time and nobody is pulling funnel at the key range immdoing (12-15) would you guys recommend the massacre slayer build or this opp op curse build lmao

[latent moss]

massacre

@thick kelp it was a mistake mentioning the curse

dont play the curse ever

[ionic mica]

feels like we need a disclaimer on all curse related messages

the name isnt enough to ward people away

[hasty pumice]

So no different prio anywhere

[night pumice]

Cool ty

[ionic mica]

this curse build wouldve gone hard on dec/jan beta

[latent moss]

on st u ms only with 2x ep and te up and cs up

actions.slayer_execute+=/mortal_strike,if=buff.executioners_precision.stack=2&(debuff.colossus_smash.up|talent.fierce_followthrough&(talent.martial_prowess|buff.tactical_edge.up|talent.battlelord))|dot.rend_dot.remains<2

[minor gust]

Don't forget to tell people they can play TE instead of crushing combo

On the massacre build LOL

[latent moss]

nvm im tweaking

same prio

[latent moss]

i did

was not recieved well

[minor gust]

To be expected because crushing combo is fun

[latent moss]

funny how the talent that was disliked during beta

is now everyones favorite

[wide apex]

Cc at 2 feels better than at 3

[latent moss]

idk i prefer at 3

especially as colo

[wide apex]

How about 4

[latent moss]

sending monsters 4 globals in a row

[latent moss]

i had a 1.1mil global on paladins heroic

(cleave as colo)

[wide apex]

Boom boom boom boom type shit

[minor gust]

I love that talent the moment it was released on beta. Finally an arms talent that actually does something

[latent moss]

wait no its 1.4

its 1.1mil on 2 targets

[latent moss]

finally an arms talent that makes our cds feel like something

[hasty pumice]

Ye so execute

[minor gust]

[latent moss]

disregard that

[hasty pumice]

Cs -> MS -> op -> 2x ex -> MS

Pmuch

[latent moss]

same as normal build

[hasty pumice]

Cause you always start with 2 EP in CS like

90% of the time anyways

[muted sundial]

anyone have a rotation priorty guide for arms. I feel like the rotation is clunky.

or im just used to fury rotation

and im just an airhead

[hasty pumice]

And I still only press ms in aoe as filler right?

So cleave > SD > op > ms

[latent moss]

with te?

[hasty pumice]

Ye

[latent moss]

its quite high

[olive nest]

Ms is like last resort in aoe

[latent moss]

not with te cause it gives u a big global

after it

[olive nest]

[hasty pumice]

What's the prio then

In aoe

[latent moss]

this

[hasty pumice]

Cause it's always with CS anyways

So

With TE

MS > OP unless 2 stacks

?

[latent moss]

ms without te up is filler

over under rend doesnt matter

[hasty pumice]

Yes I know

I'm assuming with TE cause obviously outside it doesn't change

[latent moss]

oh u meant

2 stacks of opp

[hasty pumice]

Yes

So let's say I start CS with 2 OPs

[rose matrix]

Do you just know these rotations off the top of your head or is there a place for the apls?

[latent moss]

spent all of yesterday cooking it

its still fresh

[hasty pumice]

Then it's cleave > OP2 > SD > MS > OP

[hasty pumice]

Is that roughly right?

[latent moss]

y

[hasty pumice]

Kk

[latent moss]

ye thats it

[hasty pumice]

Yeah that's easy then

Just a tiny change ig

No cleave spam is sadge but whatever

[latent moss]

i wonder how it plays out in high keys

maybe the st is worth it considering u lose no prio dmg

[hasty pumice]

Yeah same, I wanna do more Sims later still

[hasty pumice]

From what you descirbed

There's like no real aoe loss

And most packs are 5-6 targets

[latent moss]

yeah

[hasty pumice]

If 8T is pretty much the same

Then it's 100% worth

Ret, feral and DK are almost always in your key

To destroy smallies

So as long as prio is the same / better

And ST is a big win

[hasty pumice]

Did you inform crit / biz yet?

[latent moss]

nope

[hasty pumice]

I'll try it in NXP 21 later

[minor gust]

They always have a shaman so no need to play

[latent moss]

yeah i want to see it in a real key but i doubt the change will swing ur dmg in any meaningful way

[hasty pumice]

BRO

don't tell me

This is a no shaman spec

[latent moss]

nono

[hasty pumice]

Fuck off you ragebaited me

[latent moss]

he is talking about

the curse

the curse is no shaman

[hasty pumice]

Just to clarify

The TE talents are simmed with shammy buff

Right?

[latent moss]

ye

[hasty pumice]

Ok good

I thought I got giga baited

[minor gust]

Oh lmao thought u guys were talking about cursed and not the massacre build but with TE swap

[hasty pumice]

@daring heron @safe vigil new potential talents dropped

Tactical edging seems to be gud

Let's edge together

Apparently tiny aoe loss on 8T, big ST gain , slight gain on 3-5 targets

[minor gust]

[hasty pumice]

Crushing combo to tactical edge according to @latent moss

[hasty pumice]

[minor gust]

The Sims for it have it at basically an even trade for st and aoe

Like what 2% aoe loss for 2% ST

Unless cone has some new sims

[latent moss]

and same prio yeah

the less targets the smaller the loss

[minor gust]

Yeah

[latent moss]

there are some optimizations to be made

[hasty pumice]

Slayer arms warrior2 said -0.5% on 8T roughly

[latent moss]

to bring te higher

[hasty pumice]

And actually a gain on 3-5

[minor gust]

TE raid build is fun too

I'ma keep playing that

[minor gust]

@latent moss that ain't the Sims you linked me?

[latent moss]

when did i link u

[hasty pumice]

So he's baiting us both now?

[latent moss]

fishy did things to it

[minor gust]

When you were first cooking TE

[latent moss]

yeah that was pre optimizations

[minor gust]

If Fishy did things to make CC only a .5% aoe loss that's crazy

[hasty pumice]

Since you have the SIM results

In aoe how much higher does Dreadnaught gom

?*

I'm a bit concerned that the Dreadnaught in aoe is misleading

Or does the apl have a Dreadnaught miss chance too?

I wish it had a better hitbox

[dim basalt]

Are you typing with a qwerty layout?

[hasty pumice]

If slayer arms warrior2 tells me that TE > cleave spam is a 2.4% ST gain, 0.4% gain on 5T and tiny loss on 8+ targets

Then I'll take that

That's huge

Idk what qwerty is

[minor gust]

Sims do not have DN miss

[hasty pumice]

That's a minor problem then

I'd be curious if anybody had a 90% accuracy over the course of a dungeon

The hitbox is fucking tiny

[minor gust]

That's why you test builds out in keys

[hasty pumice]

And your prio target isn't positioned around op

[hasty pumice]

That's why I asked what the DN % increase is

Can we not call it DN

[dim basalt]

Playing TE is a crime man

That talent couldnt be any less satisfying

[hasty pumice]

It is what it is

Higher number is higher number

[dim basalt]

And 2.4% sounds almost too much ngl

[hasty pumice]

Also funnel becoming even worse in comparison is good

[sacred zodiac]

Dn

@silk spade post the demon

[hasty pumice]

That's what he said

[pallid jungle]

wich talent build you're talking about ? its there any string yet ?

[warped prism]

For col arms, often my demolish is up & i got like 10 seconds or so on warbreaker/col smash. Do i just hold onto demolish & only use it within col smash?

[minor gust]

Don't worry about it still WIP wowhead build has got you covered

[warped prism]

Greater than 10 sec got it

[minor gust]

Good rule of thumb I found in the few Colo keys I did was if you are sending demolish right after CS because you are already at 10 stacks you will be able to send a 2nd demolish before CS comes back. If you have to delay your 1st demo because not enough stacks you will usually hold that 2nd demo for 2nd CS

[warped prism]

Yeah the 4set is nice

Ive only done col but I’m thinking of trying slayer keys tbh

Col is prob more overall but slayer still decent overall just more prio/boss dam I’m guessing?

[minor gust]

Slayer indeed the goto choice for keys for like 99% of the M+ playerbase

[minor gust]

Slayer still pulls out great overalls. Good aoe and very good ST. Colo has slightly better prio dmg. Ultimately if you aren't getting funnel on most bosses in a key slayer is just gonna be better

[warped prism]

Ye plus isnt col more reliant on huge pulls. So if doing pug tanks or more normal key range, 10-15, the tank routes may be more suitable for slayer more often than not? Just guessing. Plus as u said, tank not grabbing adds on boss can hurt col & pugs may not do that

Ima try slayer haha

Slayer is soooooo clean

Slayer fury in tww i loved

I mainly do m+, i should just be doing m+ routes for simming then I’m guessing btw?

[minor gust]

Colo isn't reliant on huge pulls no. Colo will do insane aoe all the way from 3T and up. But yes if you aren't getting funnel on bosses any time gained from your insane aoe is just wasted. You are just better off going slayer

M+ simming is just adjusting kill times. So avg boss like 3-4 min and aoe is 40sec - 1min just adjust sim times and target counts

[calm hollow]

i feel so bad blasting the whole key, then a boss comes, and i'm nowhere on Colo

[warped prism]

Kk so prob just sim like 1 min 7-8 targets call it a day

[minor gust]

M+ simming is still taken with a grain of salt

Cuz at the end of the day it's just impossible to accurately sim a key

[shut grove]

Should my overall look like this?

[minor gust]

Your overall isn't gonna be the same every key

[shut grove]

Anything really out the ordinary?

[minor gust]

Cleave is low af

[shut grove]

Do I cleave on ST?

[minor gust]

No

[fiery inlet]

what key lvl

[shut grove]

8

[minor gust]

Again like I said you can't tell performance from that

[fiery inlet]

probably shit dead after bs thats why cleave low

[minor gust]

A +8 would be a reason why cleave will be lower yeah

[calm hollow]

i could tell the key level from this

jk, but get a trinket worth using

[minor gust]

Stop trinket shaming

[calm hollow]

he needs these for a +8

[minor gust]

I hate that crests aren't uncapped man

I finally got M gaze this week but Im capped on crests

[calm hollow]

dont worry i still have hero chest, and i cant decide to pick a bonus roll on pit or get a socket

[fiery inlet]

thats why u abuse an alt for 285 achieve

[ionic mica]

or get 285 on main and then use alts myth crests on all the pieces you didnt upgrade

[sacred zodiac]

untimable without

[minor gust]

I only got 285 achieve this week. Didnt get spoonfed much raid loot this tier

[sacred zodiac]

noob

[minor gust]

[wild fractal]

is there something I can check for which skill should I prio in different situation, for example do I mortal strike in execute phase or overpower or heroic strike etc. ?

and another question, should I go crit haste for m+ also or mastery is better than haste in aoe ?

[sacred zodiac]

did you check the wowhead rotation page

for the slayer m+ build theres a pic flying around in this channel somewhere

[hasty pumice]

[wild fractal]

I checked but still there are some questions for me, for example in execute phase prio is heroic > buffed ms > overpower, when should I use unbuffed ms. Maybe I won't and I only use it after buffing with execute

[sacred zodiac]

you just dont press it until you buff it

[wild fractal]

ty

In aoe execute phase, do I cleave and execute and skip overpower and unbuffed ms ?

[sacred zodiac]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898720803586048/1504577119806558361/Arms_prio.png?ex=6a0826e3&is=6a06d563&hm=73b79093f84cdaf25d2092dc0450405bebe08407ac013710c13275680991a47d&

do this with the common m+ build

[warped prism]

True true. Just curious, how do u typically sim? Ik some just do typical 5min 1t patch with single target build & then carry over those sims to even m+. & just use those gems/enchants & just swap to m+ build when doing keys etc

[atomic gust]

I apologize in advance if this a frequent question. I am looking at the builds for M+/dungeon and I notice Thunderclap is not taken. Is there a reason we do not select that?

[dim basalt]

Read what Rend does

[atomic gust]

oh, my bad

ty, reading is fundamental

appreciate it

[thorn stream]

I kinda miss this thing

[finite spire]

how much funnel benefit does collosus get?

[umbral linden]

fervor
colo stacks
a lot of benefit

[finite spire]

% though

[minor gust]

A lot

Of %

[finite spire]

😠

[slender raptor]

Is it possible to have negative vers? I only have 36 vers and using pot of recklessness makes you lose 213 of your lowest secondary stat, so I wondered...

[umbral linden]

from 30% to 50-70%
inprecise number from experience
i doubt someone can log difference

[slow saddle]

No

[warped prism]

"2 EP & CS in AoE builds" so for aoe slayer build, we only MS in execute phase on ST in a CS window then

ah ye wowhead says that

[slow saddle]

18 resi done happy me.

[minor gust]

It's not hard to figure out if you wanna see. Just do a ST sim and a 3T sim and look at the prio dmg from the 3T sim

[manic river]

With Slayer do you guys delay using BS all that is needed to have it inside CS or there is a point where you just hacñve to send it because of desync

[minor gust]

Always hold BS for CS

[slender raptor]

depends on how much CD is left on CS
You want to align those CDs as much as you can but if your bladestorm is up and you've got like 25sec on you CS,just go ahead and use bs

That is how I do it at least

[minor gust]

Never send BS without CS up

[warped prism]

was a question i had too. nice

[minor gust]

There is an incredibly niche scenario you could send without but just focus on always pairing CS and BS

[rose matrix]

You know

Slarms might be the goated spec on sr

[thorn stream]

It is

[nova marsh]

We should all follow bozos example

And be slayer 1 tricks

[minor gust]

If you are only pugging keys you should be a slayer one trick or else you are trolling your keys as Colo because Bob refuses to pull mobs onto boss in a 19 because it's scary and he wants to time.

[nova marsh]

🙁

Ur so right thou

[rose matrix]

Last time I ran Colossus was in a 19 Pit and MC

I got infinite funnel on Garfrost and none on 2nd boss in mc

[hybrid needle]

Is assa rogue really that bad rn

[nova marsh]

I actually dunno

[jovial hare]

alternatively: play slayer cus fun

[nova marsh]

I thought they were the best rogue spec

[rose matrix]

I actually prefer Colossus outside of st

And most of that is because of how ass it is

[hybrid needle]

im getting depression playing arms cause my dmg is so bad so i wanted to play my old rogue, then i saw assa is appearantly horrible and its my fav specc

[nova marsh]

I distinctively remeber a lot of people playing it in higher keys

[rose matrix]

Are you talking about m+?

[manic river]

Arms is nice on m+

[rose matrix]

Cause Arms does pretty well by the end of dungeons typically in overall

I have seen plenty of Assa pumpers too

I don't think they're bad but Outlaw might just be better

[hybrid needle]

i feel bad even when i top the meters by a lil bit

[nova marsh]

Doubt it

[hybrid needle]

and seeing that im parcing blue on mythic with pugs i feel even worse

[nova marsh]

Because outlaw got its 13% buff deleted

[minor gust]

M+ parsing isn't real

No one cares about that shit

[hybrid needle]

raid

[rose matrix]

The Outlaw players are still pretty ahead in IO

I also see a lot more Outlaw but I don't play rogue so not sure

[nova marsh]

I can see it

Espically cuz a lot of the law mains are dedicated

[rose matrix]

Didn't they keep like 10% of the buff though?

[nova marsh]

Not really

Trickster is still barely ahead

[rose matrix]

After the bug fix they made the aura buff 9% instead of 5%