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exotic horizon
elder walrus
rough
rustic igloo
Can someone with some Arms, slayer knowledge tell me what im doing wrong? help would be so much appricated ( started warrior like 8 days ago) and i cannot figure out why i suck so hard https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/jC4yFPRX7GZTcqH3?fight=40&type=damage-done
vagrant hull
Man we need to be able to get class buffs, even if slightly less powerful, through scrolls or something again
clever crag
Yeah 100%
vagrant hull
We don't have a hunter for raid and missing out on 3% just because kinda sucks
reef prairie
Can someone with some Arms, slayer knowledge tell me what im doing wrong? help w...
Your damage breakdown doesn't look terrible or anything I think
Looks like uptime if anything
I do feel like guidon kinda sucks on slayer too
somber sky
Hello, I'm brand new to Arms and have a few questions about the procs. Mind you I'm coming from Frost DK, maybe the most proc centric spec in the game.
- The overpower proc, the one with the big visual indicator on screen. OP has 2 charges and a relatively short recharge, so that button is available a lot. Having a proc that simply gives me another charge seems minimal and as I understand the rotation, OP is pretty low on the priority list. I think OP even gives the visual proc indicator if you were previously sitting at full charges, so in that case isn't it a 100% wasted proc?
- Sudden death proc, no visual indication at all. Unless I'm looking at my button icon or my list of 20 buffs at the top of the screen, is there any other way to be notified that the proc is up?
- Heroic strike, similar question to sudden death. There doesn't seem to be any notification that this proc is up.
Sudden death and Heroic strike seem to be so much more valuable that the OP, yet the OP is the one that has the HUGE visual.
Please let me know what I'm missing, or what I'm not understanding. Again i only picked up the spec yesterday.
proper moth
Boys just want to confirm do we send demolish every CS window or send only at 10 stacks
vagrant hull
Boys just want to confirm do we send demolish every CS window or send only at 10...
Send at 10 stacks when able but if CS is falling off send it before it expires
halcyon valve
Hello, I'm brand new to Arms and have a few questions about the procs. Mind you...
🤷♂️ blizz just decided that this is the way it is. set up your cooldown manager in a way that lets you easily see the important procs, and thats really all
there should be a way to attach sounds or whatever to it if you want to, i think, but i have never done that myself, only heard from others
proper moth
Send at 10 stacks when able but if CS is falling off send it before it expires
Thank you!
exotic horizon
to Get mythic Tier Track i need to use void core on mythic +10 and higher ?
dose is all have the Same Ilvl or if i do higher i may get higher like 3/6 etc
somber sky
🤷♂️ blizz just decided that this is the way it is. set up your cooldown manage...
Thank you, I was really hoping that I was missing something obvious. Seems like an odd design choice.
exotic horizon
Also if i upgrade to item to ascendant dose it go all the way to level 298 or i should spend crest to upgrade it ?
halcyon valve
Can someone with some Arms, slayer knowledge tell me what im doing wrong? help w...
this may not be a huge deal, but i think you might wanna sim some mastery gear. yours is somewhat low i think. you might get some value out of exchanging some crit/haste for 200-300 mastery (some other slayer logs i see have around 400-500 mastery)
hidden merlin
How do you get more rage in general? Is it more haste? I looked at a breakdown of my damage vs. another dude, he had way more colossus smash casts in a dungeon that lasted 3 mins shorter!
halcyon valve
did he have a shaman in the group, and you didnt?
also yeah haste speeds things up
minor gust
Only stat that will give you a positive amount of rage is crit
hidden merlin
He had 100 more crit
And 15@ more haste
150
Did 30k more damage , could it really be just stats?
We’re just sending colossus smash and demolish on cooldown yeah?
halcyon valve
crit = more rage per melee swing (on average)
haste = more frequent everything (=> faster swing timer => faster globals => faster anger management to get colossus smash back from cooldown)
halcyon valve
We’re just sending colossus smash and demolish on cooldown yeah?
yep, unless the pack is on 2% hp of course
halcyon valve
it is certainly a possibility
but really the most dramatic difference in rage would be having a shaman vs not having a shaman (skyfury raidbuff = 20% more auto attacks = more rage)
sturdy wind
I'm out of reasons I suck better learn now to play arms now that i can't blame my gear lol
minor gust
Did 30k more damage , could it really be just stats?
It's not stats as secondaries barely matter in the grand scheme he just played better
hidden merlin
It's not stats as secondaries barely matter in the grand scheme he just played b...
That I’m sure of, but in what regard is what I’m after
minor gust
You probably already said it uptime. You may have also been holding CS too much at the end of a pack. Especially if you are playing slayer you can be pretty aggressive with it because you are spamming executes
Better uptime = more CDR = more chances at casting CS
dim basalt
@minor gust Guidon sims better even with 298 gaze + heart and a haste mastery ring
So weird
wind flicker
I swear to god, this beta game. I bricked like 3 POS keys because we cant kick the cadaver
minor gust
<@404826388701380608> Guidon sims better even with 298 gaze + heart and a haste ...
You doing short M+ Sims or 5min? Cuz that's prob why
Prob won't be the same in actual keys
proper moth
Also if i upgrade to item to ascendant dose it go all the way to level 298 or i...
You need to max crest upgrade then use core
dim basalt
Nah something isnt right with the sim
For some reason its not trying gaze + heart altho guidon isnt locked?
proper moth
I swear to god, this beta game. I bricked like 3 POS keys because we cant kick t...
Healers need to adjust🤷🏽♂️
sudden owl
sim haste flask and haste>crit gems
dire hinge
uncheck the gem replacement 
if you're not testing enchant/gems, just disable it for gear checks
stable fiber
what buff do yall take in algethar?
If I'm slayer I take haste, if I'm colossus I take crit
dim basalt
sim haste flask and haste>crit gems
Yeah with haste flask its slightly ahead
By around 400
sand prairie
After i uppt my weapon and trinekt can i know up all my gear with the void thingies or just these 3 slots?
dim basalt
After i uppt my weapon and trinekt can i know up all my gear with the void thing...
Just these 3 slots
sand prairie
ah cool ty
proper moth
NP rings simming higher for you guys than any other ring combo?
minor gust
Man all this cooking has made me realize you can really just play whatever the fuck you want talent wise as slayer holy
proper moth
Pretty much
toxic osprey
I did try it, you've everything up at the same time, all the time, i don't know what i'm doing with the priority but i'm doing dmg and it's kind of strange
hybrid needle
Ready to spam OP in some keys tonight
Lmk how that goes
minor gust
This whole skyfury vs non skyfury thing is getting really annoying
Gonna need a lot of help when I make this 12.1 rage post
Need to get this rage situation sorted and not ignored till next expansion like usual
warped spade
minor gust
Ain't any rage here I used deadly calm
sand prairie
Yea but hes right having a non class buff to smoehow have atleast a bit of rage stables is damn awfull. Just make mastery increase rage gen or so
steep escarp
Could add in opportunity strikes to mastery and make those give rage
slim iron
If you have a macro that uses the below is there ever a case where your target after macro is pressed is not the same as the one before it was pressed?
/cleartarget
/targetenemy
/cast spell
/cast targetlasttarget
minor gust
There's multiple different ways to bandaid solve the problem. The issue is trying to get Blizz to at least do one of the solutions
steep escarp
Opportunity strikes can also be a tuning knob for our ST vs. AoE
But yeah there’s a lot of avenues and I’m mostly nostalgic for opportunity strikes.
fleet rover
dumb question, but do you ever intentionally desync cs and demolish?
As in one comes up earlier than the other, and it probably won't be back up again before the other is back up - and the boss/mob is not about to die, etc.
hybrid needle
Yes, yes i do
fleet rover
doesn't that cause a problem with not having back up ur main burst combo together?
hybrid needle
You usually do when you still got cleave targets left, demolish resets reaaal quick
high egret
And so does CS as well so you will easily get to a point where it just syncs back up
midnight cradle
Rage has been an issue for arms at the start of an xpac since the beginning of wow lol
Feels much better last season of an xpac
Like affliction needing haste
fleet rover
hmmm i must be doing something wrong, i am always holding cs and demolish, and when i don't they really badly desync and i just end up sending one withotu the other usually
does slayer also just send cs and bladestorm, or hold for sync?
slender raptor
Guys, how do I use intervene + die by the sword correctly in keys? Can I still get hit from enemy melees if the tank gets hit from behind so i cant actually parry it or smth?
steep walrus
Why do i see some warriors using commission and occlusion over purloined wedding ring?
gaunt wigeon
Because they're too setsy for marriage.
minor gust
Why do i see some warriors using commission and occlusion over purloined wedding...
Wedding ring for Colo set rings for slayer
wispy geode
Set ones look cooler on my characters equipped screen 😎
vagrant hull
Set ones look cooler on my characters equipped screen 😎
This tbh
Also the set simmed higher fo rme
for me*
fleet rover
i think im understanding it
demolish is secondary, u just send smash on cd (outside of stupid times, like adds all 2% hp, etc.)
if demolish happens to be up during cs, that is great and u us eit
otherwise you hold it
correct?
woeful kelp
You can usually get a second 10 stack demolish before your second cs, then demolish with 10 stacks should be back up in your second cs. For aoe
wary raft
just to be sure, you do mean in st scenarios right
fleet rover
either ig, i was linkin the aoe prio
fleet rover
ok maybe im jus tplaying poorly or getting the wrong pulls or something
i'll track taht
wary raft
u send with cs then itll come off cd in between cs and again during the cs duration
press as muich cleave and ms as possible, and be careful about munching ur sweeping
fleet rover
ok cool ty
if I miss the window somehow, and I cannot get demolish up during 2nd cs, do i just send demolish and hope they get close to linking up in the future?
wind hatch
ok cool ty
if I miss the window somehow, and I cannot get demolish up during 2n...
Here's the relevant part of the apl
some redundancy here but essentially what this says is that if you have 10 stacks of colossal might and your cs cooldown is over 10 seconds you just send it
fleet rover
ok, perfect
that makes total sense
i think i was gimping my dmg ALWAYS syncing them
is ST the same situation?
wary raft
yeah if u are holding demolish to line it up with every cs u are missing a ton of casts
no in ST you get less colossal might stacks, you can follow the ss you posted
tacit crystal
oui
fleet rover
i sim sooooooooo much lower as slayer, like 20-25% less in aoe
i lowkey like slayer but can't give up like 60k dmg in aoe
fleet rover
i'll give it a shot
minor gust
Slayer still does great aoe while also doing insane ST
ST matters in keys
You should only be playing colo if you are in a 5 stack group who is playing around you and giving you funnel on every boss
fleet rover
What is the timer-ish on cs to hold it for bladestorm vs just send
i've had some bad sudden death procs and the desync was fucked
minor gust
Always hold BS for CS
wispy geode
Remember for arms warrior after you collosus smash into demolish you get 3 free cleaves too so rend cs/ava demolish cleave cleave cleave ms and so forth
fleet rover
yea for sure
tropic crest
i lowkey like slayer but can't give up like 60k dmg in aoe
Bro i think colossus is a better spec for premades. Slayer is more pug friendly and does more ST which is great in some dungeons
tropic crest
If tanks don’t pull packs into bosses you’ll do very low dmg and boss fight will be very long. Also don’t worry if you are last dps at start of keys as slayer. You’ll catchup and end first at end of dungeon
fleet rover
slayer is funny to me in that in ST, pre execute phase, MS is pretty good and prio'd pretty high, but as soon as you hit execute phase you borerline don't use it, and its barely used in aoe at all
tropic crest
Slayer is doing very constant damage. You cannot burst AoE like many other classes but your damage will be very good on every pulls
rose matrix
Also get a shaman or pack it up
fleet rover
yea i've been inviting them always
rose matrix
Or try that new build I saw earlier without one
Slayer st without a shaman feels terrible as well
reef prairie
Arms without shaman = switch fury ongod
tropic crest
Slayer exe phase is awesome. Remember to pool rage before opening cooldowns and your dmg will fly
fleet rover
wew
steep walrus
Wedding ring for Colo set rings for slayer
why is that? what if set is hero but my ring is myth?
tropic crest
why is that? what if set is hero but my ring is myth?
Just sim
rose matrix
Colossus likes a lot of crit
Slayer likes more haste
The omission of light has haste mastery
They also sim better in st by default
steep walrus
Just sim
I do sim but it usually says wedding ring
im about a month into playing and idk if I sim properly tho
as a noob I have hit 3.1k io and am 8/9 heroic. I am trying but its alot
steep walrus
They also sim better in st by default
good to know ty
minor gust
Or try that new build I saw earlier without one
Still testing right now but feel free to play it if you want
tropic crest
Overall slayer is easyer to play. On colossus keeping SS buff always up is much more important because of how Colossal Might and Demolish CD reduction works. Slayer is more friendly on mistakes and you need to track less things.
(I know my English is terrible)
thick kelp
sweeping strikes
tropic crest
I do sim but it usually says wedding ring
SweepingSttrikes
steep walrus
nailed it
stable fiber
Anything but that boss
thick kelp
but im progging it
minor gust
Real
thick kelp
I dont have a choice
stable fiber
I dont like that boss
nova vessel
unbuffed
thick kelp
I dont like that boss
ok how about vorasius
stable fiber
Push the glowy button
stable fiber
Nice
stable fiber
If grass was blue I would have rank 1 vorasius
tropic crest
It’s very fundamental. Many players don’t get it.
For example if your MS crits you get 2 stacks of CMight. With SS up you get 4 stacks.
If your CMight is alredy at 10 stacks, gaining 4 stacks means reducing demolish CD by 20 seconds.
stable fiber
I was beat by 600 measly dps
thick kelp
tell that to my MS crit rate
thick kelp
I was beat by 600 measly dps
French is a beautiful language
stable fiber
Hmm
nova vessel
Is it just higher ilvl
thick kelp
tropic crest
tell that to my MS crit rate
XD But after CSmash it is 100% that s why we can always get very fast CSmash back.
We get a head start of 4 stacks from first Ms after every CSmash
stable fiber
His rings giving him like 440 crit
polar sundial
hey guys, ist he wowhead guide superior with infos on arms slayer gameplay? im trying to get my shit figured out
nova vessel
There a way I can show my items with stats not in game rn
sand totem
I dont like that boss
Based take
minor gust
His rings giving him like 440 crit
Kha you see the potential TE build being cooked up?
thick kelp
tactical edge
stable fiber
What does that do
minor gust
Choice node with crushing combo
stable fiber
Oh
thick kelp
guarantee op reset after cs on next 2 ms
minor gust
Guaranteed 2 tac procs with after cs
minor gust
Yeah
thick kelp
yeah
tropic crest
hey guys, ist he wowhead guide superior with infos on arms slayer gameplay? im t...
Idk if massacre build is on wowhead. Anyway on slayer massacre on AoE you should always go ExeSD > OP > MS. Execute sudden death is great. It reduces the cooldown of Bladestorm, empower it and has a 100% proc rate of Reap the Storm, so execute is great for direct AoE dmg too.
Try to play near every mobs to be sure the RtS hits everyone
stable fiber
I could see it being good next season, the issue is our tier set
polar sundial
Idk if massacre build is on wowhead. Anyway on slayer massacre on AoE you should...
got it thanks. ye im tlaking about m+ strictly i dont raid. so massacre build is best?
minor gust
I'm assuming it's just pushing MS less
In exe yeah but I believe fishy did some playing and got you pressing MS in exe again
tropic crest
got it thanks. ye im tlaking about m+ strictly i dont raid. so massacre build is...
Massacre build is great in M+ yea. Just get used to cast Exe and OP before MS. That’s weird the first times 🙂
minor gust
got it thanks. ye im tlaking about m+ strictly i dont raid. so massacre build is...
Use this for massacre build
nova vessel
Using bonus roll on vor again let’s pray this time
Upgrading prism either way
Seeing it’s not capped why not
Will get to a point where they will be just in bag
polar sundial
Massacre build is great in M+ yea. Just get used to cast Exe and OP before MS. T...
yes since im used to collossus. i always press MS when its up and overpower feels weaker to press somehow xd
polar sundial
Use this for massacre build
thanks sir ❤️
polar sundial
Use this for massacre build
quick question why is ms > op tho in normal ST?
nova vessel
If it’s a fresh pack going in I 90% of time rend is that so bad??
thick sage
Use this for massacre build
whats sd?
frosty forge
sudden death
thick sage
oh so exe
nova vessel
In procs ya
random trout
question guys, does raidbots take into consideration the glove passive? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tsn3bwgQTviyfnnTCuuSCV
minor gust
quick question why is ms > op tho in normal ST?
More dmg, contributes to AM, and extends tier. This build isn't gonna change the fundamental arms gameplay of MS > op > slam in ST
polar sundial
More dmg, contributes to AM, and extends tier. This build isn't gonna change the...
thanks sir. but that only goes for ST right? following this description i still prio OP > MS in aoe
minor gust
Yes because of dreadnought
MS lost its ability to proc reap so it's not really providing anything for aoe
hybrid needle
SR19.
Im very disappointed in my dmg, idk how to fix it
minor gust
Execute is up there due to its high dmg even tho it's not doing any aoe either
polar sundial
so if i follow this basic rule is hould be good
minor gust
If you follow this prio you will do dmg. Assuming your other wow skills are good.
tranquil swift
was gunna try arms for fun. switched over from fury and this is my stats.. not ideal? lol
minor gust
Not ideal yeah but also won't matter
tranquil swift
ok so wont effect my dps too too much?
ill look for more haste and crit as shit drops
could also recraft some gear
hybrid needle
I mean.. 28% crit is pretty solid for switching with no gear
minor gust
Secondary stats affect your DPS way less than you think. It might hurt more on Colossus cuz it loves such heavy crit but Slayer it will not matter at all
tranquil swift
ok cool. ya a flask will help too.. cool ill give it a go. haste needs to be much higher right?
minor gust
Send a crit flask. Get rid of some of that mastery go down to around 20%. Be more than fine
hybrid needle
did you do some keys with op finish yet bozo
minor gust
did you do some keys with op finish yet bozo
I haven't yet, but fishy has and it's been going pretty well though. It's definitely an option if you wanted to play something different
brazen plover
Ready to spam OP in some keys tonight
You going to try this without a shaman or with?
minor gust
That build was made specifically for without a shaman
hybrid needle
Dayum
minor gust
thatll put MS over Exe again tho wont it
In what scenario aoe? Yeah
hybrid needle
In what scenario aoe? Yeah
All scenarios. Critical Thinking is gone so almost no rage refund, youll starve to death after 2 casts
thorny mason
I am getting a bit confused about the exec prio on m+, i know in ST we prio MS if 2 stacks of EP and CS is on otherwise we spam exec, do we keep the same logic in aoe ? if my target is in exec range do i use the same exec prio that st ?
minor gust
The build is about OP not about execute
hybrid needle
Yes ?
minor gust
I am getting a bit confused about the exec prio on m+, i know in ST we prio MS i...
Don't worry about MS In aoe it's just a filler
thorny mason
i was asking about slayer m+ btw, forgot to mention it
proper moth
you guys using cleave over slam in ST as colo in M+?
minor gust
i was asking about slayer m+ btw, forgot to mention it
Yeah ik
thorny mason
Don't worry about MS In aoe it's just a filler
thx ! 🙏
rose matrix
I think that new build would be basically the rotation on wowhead for aoe
Cleave > op > MS > execute
Then I'd assume St is pretty much the same except you'd send ms in execute at 2 ep stacks and have more of a focus on using your opportunist stacks
wind hatch
you guys using cleave over slam in ST as colo in M+?
no
proper moth
👍
nova marsh
With the DW changes we don't use slam in st at all really
in case u were also wondering about rava
proper moth
good to know
nova marsh
You can also just hold rava for next pack if u have it up on boss
Unless it's like orc boss in Spire and has some add waves.
proper moth
gotcha so slam basically is filler if MS/OP/Cleave is on cd
proper moth
got it,
steep escarp
Don’t touch cleave in ST
proper moth
perfect jsut wanted to be sure
gearing has been a breeze getting myth crests is my bottle neck
would i be sand bagging is i crafted a darkmoon hunt deck
sharp sequoia
Guys what is the bis weapon for colo ?
hybrid needle
Garfrost hammer or bellamy judgement
proper moth
Guys what is the bis weapon for colo ?
pit wep
proven veldt
I love the mythical hammer in the pit of S
sharp sequoia
😂
hybrid needle
We all do
proper moth
gonna be sad to see it go next season
hybrid needle
As long as academy is gone ill gladly throw my weap away
sharp sequoia
What can I replace in the craft now? I also have bracelets
hybrid needle
Cloak with arcanoweave most likely
hybrid needle
Crit haste ?
proper moth
yessir
hybrid needle
sharp sequoia
Cloak with arcanoweave most likely
With crit and haste i think 👍🏻
proper moth
heavy crit too
hybrid needle
When is s2 expected again
proper moth
august ish
hybrid needle
I wonder what keys they end up with, already running 23s
dim basalt
Some 24s probs
nova marsh
Maybe a 25 completed
minor gust
26
tranquil swift
new to arms.. whats the little tip or whatever to keep sweeping strikes on almost 100% uptiem
when should i be sending it comparred to col smash etc
wind hatch
27
dim basalt
Maybe a 25 completed
Nah I think the scaling is too hard
We are almost maxxed and just witnessed the first 23s being timed
So I think it will be some 24s with perfect play
nova marsh
Fair
nova marsh
Do have the extra power in .7
hybrid needle
Wouldnt be surprided if they did another gearboost
nova marsh
I highly doubt that
hybrid needle
Is there any legal way to buy warrior coaching
slender sonnet
minor gust
Do have the extra power in .7
New boss will have better gear
wind hatch
new to arms.. whats the little tip or whatever to keep sweeping strikes on almos...
generally if you just use sweeping strikes when you're out of charges you should be fine, just make sure not to use it if you have cs coming up in a few seconds because that will misalign them
minor gust
Is there any legal way to buy warrior coaching
I don't think coaching services are against TOs
Might be wrong
tranquil swift
@wind hatch ok so use on cd pretty much unless col smash is coming up
minor gust
Thought even for IRL money
It's not like it's gaining you anything in game like a boost
nova marsh
I dunno
minor gust
So I would assume real money coaching services is fine
nova marsh
I dont think coaching is covered in tos
tranquil swift
@wind hatch so in beggining of key.. do i call it right away? to start building stacks
nova marsh
But I dunno I dont read that shit
hybrid needle
Well
wind hatch
How's Lura prog going? Suffering in P1
took us like 120 pulls to see intermission lol
hybrid needle
They cant detect coaching anyways ig
hybrid needle
I feel so incredibly bad on warr its giving me depression
wind hatch
<@1020368247092162662> so in beggining of key.. do i call it right away? to star...
yeah you can use it right as the key starts to get it on cd
minor gust
our comp is also insanely scuffed cuz of roster shenanigans
We had one DK for belo last night was funny
wind hatch
We had one DK for belo last night was funny
willow sundial
On lightblinded vanguard, when there are only 2 bosses in range, do you still use cleave?
wind hatch
On lightblinded vanguard, when there are only 2 bosses in range, do you still us...
you can use it as a filler over slam if you have 3 stacks of collateral damage but thats it
willow sundial
so when only 2 are up, just focus on MS/OP/Execute?
wind hatch
yeah, just follow the single target rotation mainly
willow sundial
do you keep ravager as well for when they are with 3?
abstract sphinx
guys do we still press MS in CS (aoe) for slayer arms?
or only with 2 stacks of EP
minor gust
ignore MS
or press it if u got cs and EP stacks it really doesnt matter the difference is very small
hybrid needle
Game is trolling me
Had a 20 AA. Depleted gameplay into 18 AA. Turned into 19 SR. Turned into 20AA...
hexed inlet
I still have no idea how to do slayer arms. Is the wowhead guide accurate? I am just swapping from WW to arms cause we didnt have a warrior.
my ST is just low low
minor gust
yes wowhead will be accurate for raid
hexed inlet
K but not accurate in M+
Is there a place to read up the new change in M+ or just watch biz stream?
minor gust
Its accurate for M+ (didnt mean to imply it wasnt) theres just some differences that others prefer
here since you asking for M+ ill give you this
hexed inlet
Ok
Thanks ill practice that on some dummies for a bit.
Appreciate the info @minor gust
minor gust
Yes I believe Archi swapped the default Blord build with the massacre one
uneven minnow
What enchants are still around for slots that aren't covered by current midnight enchants?
I've seen +3 stam to gloves seems to be a thing still
neon shale
MS>OP in ST raid? Slarms
tight basin
Could someone explain why crit is the main stat for arms? and if one can is it worth to go full haste/crit and as little mastery as possible?
tight basin
Sure, but just to understand why it sims better..
hasty pumice
counter question: does it matter? You take the gear that sims the highest anyway
it won't really change gameplay other than number bigger
tight basin
yh sure i get, it I just want to understand as well
hexed inlet
Worth playing massacre in AA over colossus?
wind hatch
yh sure i get, it I just want to understand as well
arms has several crit bonuses in its talent tree
minor gust
Crit is neccessary for rage as Crit autos generate more
stable fiber
Sure, but just to understand why it sims better..
there is a lot of talents that increase crit effectiveness of certain abilities
which makes those buttons hit harder when they crit
deep wounds is also procced when some buttons crit
tight basin
Ok, I see, mastery just looks so strong, flat out % increase to damage
hushed topaz
Ok, I see, mastery just looks so strong, flat out % increase to damage
Mastery scaling for arms is not great. If you look at the dmg % you get for arms, and then switch to fury. Arms is lower
tight basin
Yeah it's alot lower below 1.0
lime ruin
hey I crafted engineering bracers not knowing that they take different embellishments. Should I use b0p or b1p?
hushed topaz
That’s one of the reasons crit is preferred over mastery, along with the other ones people listed
Not just one reason by itself
nova marsh
Could someone explain why crit is the main stat for arms? and if one can is it w...
Because of impale + crit AAs granting more rage
And for colo specially, extra stacks + even more crit damage
torpid acorn
Crit is neccessary for rage as Crit autos generate more
2,4 to 2,6 more rage..
minor gust
torpid acorn
hushed topaz
In this rage economy, I’ll take any extra rage I can get
tranquil swift
Is col still the most overall in keys?
soft gust
2,4 to 2,6 more rage..
They also increase your auto attack speed by 20% with wild strikes
So realistically you generate more than just the immediate extra amount
pulsar frost
Because of impale + crit AAs granting more rage
so what you up to now since you dont play wow anymore
vagrant hull
Love seeing this. Knowledge bomb inc
minor gust
Is col still the most overall in keys?
If you primarily pug just play slayer. Colo is not gonna go crazy unless you have consistent funnel for each boss
minor gust
Love seeing this. Knowledge bomb inc
minor gust
Love seeing this. Knowledge bomb inc
dont expect much as I often space out and forget what Im even trying to type
vagrant hull
If you primarily pug just play slayer. Colo is not gonna go crazy unless you hav...
Even when asking people I know to funnel, the other dps just try to pad. Funneling isn't a concept I think many people really understand
minor gust
Even when asking people I know to funnel, the other dps just try to pad. Funnel...
oh im sure most of them know. Just most dps are slaves to the meters and have no problem inting the key if it means their overall is higher
pulsar frost
What ilvl do shards boost heroic too
285
vagrant hull
oh im sure most of them know. Just most dps are slaves to the meters and have no...
Probably true, I'd rather think people just don't know rather than they are willfully being shitbirds
high egret
282 for crafted
neon shale
looks like im gna have to do that no luck on trinks
pulsar frost
is fine shards are farmable in 10s
neon shale
Yeee
pulsar frost
its just time wasting but its no biggie
tranquil swift
If you primarily pug just play slayer. Colo is not gonna go crazy unless you hav...
Is the slayer rotation harder? Or the same
minor gust
easier
stable fiber
god comp
minor gust
if that IO is right that healers best seat is a 10
clever wave
GRR
I’ve been 3850 for 4 days and see 0 inv as fury or arms ima just start bribing ppl with sex idk
latent moss
clever wave
That’s lightchains group I think he only wants dk and ret
latent moss
put more focus on opportunist op in aoe and u will do good dam and never starve
random trout
put more focus on opportunist op in aoe and u will do good dam and never starve
still getting use to this, lust goes off and I tend to just spam weave cleave + sudden death procs
stable fiber
"no ret paladin"
clever wave
LOL
rose matrix
still getting use to this, lust goes off and I tend to just spam weave cleave +...
I have a feeling that SD and Cleave would still take prio over op in that build in aoe
somber wave
why do I like 300k on first pull in academy as slayer? my rotation is fine but I feel like I do no dmg
hearty stump
hey smart people di we get more ascendant voidcores next week? can i use it on other trinkets before i get myth gaze?
wintry shadow
you can get infinite void cores rn
clever wave
why do I like 300k on first pull in academy as slayer? my rotation is fine but I...
You won’t ever do as much dmg as uncapped classes your goal is to kill the prio target and make the tanks life easier
If you go look at logs most arms slayer or fury warriors are ending that pull around 400-500k dps
I think col is the exception due to the nature of demolish pad
hearty stump
you can get infinite void cores rn
i thought it was 3 a week
somber wave
You won’t ever do as much dmg as uncapped classes your goal is to kill the prio ...
yea I guess but with bis gear ilvl 277 on a 19 I feel like I should be doing more
but the pull is not for warriors I guess
prio is super good though
hybrid needle
I died on AA several times cause i pulled aggro from the priotarget
No idea if the tank Was trolling
Your Job is to kill the lashers, not do infinite pad dps
halcyon valve
First pull algethar makes me remember thunderous roar infinity damage
latent moss
prio is super good though
the only thing that matters
in that pull
if vile lashers dont die
ur tank dies
no tank can live that pull for long
toxic osprey
Do you play Opportunist with the ST raid OP build ?
toxic osprey
y
latent moss
ye
toxic osprey
ok cool, did pretty well on Lura with it i think
toxic osprey
Oh
latent moss
well its within variance to press it
so u can if u want to
but i dont see why would u
hybrid needle
Cause you specced into rend gives rage and u dont wanna starve
toxic osprey
You don't really starve with this build
latent moss
Cause you specced into rend gives rage and u dont wanna starve
bloodsurge is useless
until execute
and in exe ms keeps up rend
toxic osprey
Btw your rota with the build is OP > MS or you still MS on cd even without CS ?
latent moss
in exe or
toxic osprey
Not exe
latent moss
outside of exe nothing changes
toxic osprey
ok
latent moss
in exe u ms only with tactical edge up and 2x ep
toxic osprey
Doing to much MS in exe phase
toxic osprey
thought i did great, there was a AUG in the raid 
rare kite
opal jackal
anyone ever run into an issue where your sweeping strikes don't get consumed? like it just stays at 12 stacks on aoe
and doesn't actually do any sweeping
wind hatch
anyone ever run into an issue where your sweeping strikes don't get consumed? li...
no
where is this happening
latent moss
anyone ever run into an issue where your sweeping strikes don't get consumed? li...
is this in npx
there are mobs u have to cc to hit
and u cant sweep onto them
rose matrix
in exe u ms only with tactical edge up and 2x ep
You wouldn't just send it at 2 ep stacks with mp talented?
latent moss
not sure anymore after fishy cooking
actions.slayer_execute+=/mortal_strike,if=buff.executioners_precision.stack=2&(debuff.colossus_smash.up|talent.fierce_followthrough&(talent.martial_prowess|buff.tactical_edge.up|talent.battlelord))|dot.rend_dot.remains<2
ye with mp
u just press it
opal jackal
is this in npx
it was in seat, subjugator pulls... not sure when it started but by the 2nd or 3rd pull it wasn't consuming stacks anymore. I had to meld for it to start working again
spring vale
Is this fine for slayer in m+ or whats the build?
tranquil swift
Do people even play Col arms anymore in keys?
brittle fiber
Why does the aoe opener on wowhead have 3x cleave THEN demolish while logs on vanguard have it the other way around? Surely youd want to demolish first for the damage debuff and a quick cd reduction
nova marsh
Why does the aoe opener on wowhead have 3x cleave THEN demolish while logs on va...
Wowhead is out of date thete
Also
Wait no
Chief demos damage debuff scales with stacks does it not?
neon shale
Do people even play Col arms anymore in keys?
ya all the time
wind hatch
Do people even play Col arms anymore in keys?
yes
colo is actually better for overall damage in most keys
robust cypress
Is this fine for slayer in m+ or whats the build?
isnt this the slayer M+ build?
tranquil swift
colo is actually better for overall damage in most keys
Better than fury Thane too?
spring vale
isnt this the slayer M+ build?
I saw from a log from Biz that he was running Blood Surge and no deep wounds, also no mass execution but powerful momentum instead
I haven't been keeping up so thought I would ask
robust cypress
no deep wounds slayer seems kinda troll
latent moss
drop mass executiion
for powerful momentum
spring vale
Idk how to show the talents via a log
but he doesnt have the execute deep wounds talent and instead has blood surge
spring vale
mass execution isn't worth it on Slayer?
spring vale
archon isnt whats best
I went with Archon because I wasn't sure how up to date Wowhead has been kept for Arms :/
brittle fiber
Chief demos damage debuff scales with stacks does it not?
It does u right, just tryna figure out the logic on why demo is cast first
robust cypress
I went with Archon because I wasn't sure how up to date Wowhead has been kept fo...
Archon is trash to just copy off of
wind hatch
Better than fury Thane too?
yes
dense hound
For the MT slayer build: When on MT, say 8 mobs, and they're in exe range, do you prioritise OP or just spam Execute?
leaden garnet
It does u right, just tryna figure out the logic on why demo is cast first
Probably so that you can cast Demo twice per CS
latent moss
^
leaden garnet
Whereas if you delay Demo by 4 GCDs and 6 CM stacks, you'll only cast it once in the first CS sequence
leaden garnet
Vanguard is a cucked fight though
leaden garnet
Three target cleave where half the fight is only two targets
latent moss
if it was constant 3t
we would get sho
shot
they would prolly remove
the 50% increased slam damage
and thats like the best part about arms atm
iirc fishy said
ww with fob swept
is the same dmg as swept ms
thats how strong fob is
spring vale
wait, when you trigger fob, the auto slam/heroic strike gets swept?
leaden garnet
Yep
spring vale
thats huge
leaden garnet
Which also means it procs collateral damage
toxic osprey
Can be a stupid question but if the Sim give me 100K dps, 5 minutes fight raid and i did 97K on Voracius in 5 minutes 14 secondes, does that mean i did a good job as we know Vora is a no moving boss ?
tawdry violet
wait i don't have deep wounds talented but it still shows on my overall?
latent moss
mortal wounds
tawdry violet
ahh
tawdry violet
tyty
tawdry violet
do u guys feel like something changed with this reset slayer seems to be doing a lot of damage now
or I just didn't play it enough last week
like there's more reap procs
river tapir
nah, just rng. sometimes you get 5 procs in a row and sometimes your drier like a old grandma
toxic osprey
i did one time double BS in one single CS, that was exceptionnal
river tapir
sometimes wonders happen
toxic osprey
But still no gaze
near radish
getting my arms warrior going - is meld that useful this season or nah? i see prots are dwarf, i assume for AA and that benefit would crossover to dps?
vast tinsel
There are some demonic bleeds on dps
near radish
music to my ears, keep yer feet and all that
calm hollow
can i download the og warcraftlogs uploader somewhere? or do i have to use this shit archon app?
carmine tartan
why are so many arms warriors at the top of the m+ ladder using crafted legs with crit haste?
when our tier legs are also crit haste and higher ilvl
latent moss
why are so many arms warriors at the top of the m+ ladder using crafted legs wit...
for ilvl boost
they couldnt get legs
carmine tartan
most of them are mythic raiding aswell tho, seems kinda wild they havent seen a mythic pair of legs to swap the craft
latent moss
maybe they have arcanoweave on them
and myth bracers and cloak and dont have crests ofr myth bracers/claok craft
with arcano
lament ridge
In this guide, the note on Mortal Strike says this way in colossus smash (with M+ build). Does that mean I'm only using MS in a colossus smash window during execute?
vast tinsel
Yes
near radish
anyone got any cool dwarf arms warrior mog ideas
jade ember
have beard
have axe
have cloak
drink ale
errant otter
Is it just me or does arms feel a little clunky? Or maybe I’m just new to it
tight basin
colossus yes
thick stump
For paladins, what's the condition on cleave?
wind hatch
For paladins, what's the condition on cleave?
on 3 targets its top prio
on 2 targets dont press unless you have 3 collateral damage stacks as a filler over slam
thick stump
Thank you
thick stump
🤨
jade ember
yeah you just have to remember to plug in how good your tank and other dps are
latent moss
is there a way to sims my overall?
no
neon shale
the faq has updated builds?
minor gust
switching gaze for plume or guidon isnt gonna magically unlock some super dps
latent moss
man i fucking
hate this game so much
ye bro dont accept the 265 ret into ur 10
whose main
is 9 trillion rio
👍
minor gust
minor gust
surely nothing does dmg in 10
solemn helm
would you run slayer or collosus for maisara caverns?
wind hatch
would you run slayer or collosus for maisara caverns?
colossus
solemn helm
thanks
minor gust
either one will do good
latent moss
surely nothing does dmg in 10
ppal
wind hatch
Slayer Propaganda
steep walrus
I pretty much only run slayer now. I can't seem to do dog as colo
minor gust
latent moss
fuck i have to press
conc
consecration my beloved
i love pressing you
for sure
wind hatch
turning particle density off for lura is a gamechanger
cant believe i decided to do this after 200 pulls
latent moss
<:xan:1094127979703062558>
im doing 50k on 5t
limpid patrol
Is slayer or collossus better for M+ atm? Im seeing a a split, is it personal preference / is one better for pug?
latent moss
gg
minor gust
Slayer is far superior for pugging
colo only worth if you can get consistent funnel
which just isnt a thing in pugs
latent moss
even if u do get consistent funnel
u can play both
and time the same keys
21s and 22s
minor gust
limpid patrol
awesome, thanks ^_^
latent moss
<a:nodders:1203465365091389460>
ppal plays the same on st and aoe W
minor gust
W
errant otter
Is arms better than fury tho?
latent moss
yes
balmy kindle
Is slayer or collossus better for M+ atm? Im seeing a a split, is it personal pr...
My experience with Colo is that whatever time you saved on thrash tends to be wasted on bosses
In a fixed group it's much better though
spring vale
alklfg
neon shale
Why arent my logs updating after i upload them on archon
tranquil swift
how far off is slayer arms compared to col arms? does the better ST help catch it up? i see so many top guys now running slyer arms
also - do we always send bladestorm on avatar? so wait for avatar to come up
?
minor gust
Hold BS for CS ava isnt part of the equation. Sure if CS and BS are ready and ava is like 10 seoncds away you hold them and wait for ava
tight basin
Hold for how long? there has to be a limit
minor gust
until CS is up
tranquil swift
oh ok so its imporatnt to send blade with cala fore so than ava
minor gust
you dont press BS without CS on the target
tranquil swift
and if avatar is up its just a plus
ok lets say we cast our casa and blade... avatar up now in 15 sec
are we just holding that until next set of cds or do we send ava on cd?
minor gust
holding until next CS
tranquil swift
ok so send bs with cs always.. avatar with cs always
minor gust
yes
tranquil swift
ive noticed bladestorm and ava seem to line up pretty closely for the most part
minor gust
Its RNG so it wont always
tranquil swift
is slayer arms youre main spec?
minor gust
I only play slayer for keys
tight basin
rio?
minor gust
only 3600
spring vale
noob
tight basin
yh sure buddy!
minor gust
doesnt mean what im saying isnt true xD
spring vale
crazy that people disrespect the guy that fought to make slayer arms playable
minor gust
smh
wind hatch
where would we be without him
pulsar frost
https://i.imgflip.com/amgm6l.gif
I remember when that day happened
nova marsh
I remember when that day happened
Lowkey
wind hatch
i hate pugging keys with a passion
nova marsh
Pretty sure the entire warrior discord crashed out over that shit
spring vale
btw sudden death being 100% reap the storm is pure crack cocaine dopamine straight into my veins
minor gust
that will happen when I do more than 1 or 2 keys a day because I get bored dealing with LFG
Pugging is a cancer
wind hatch
Pretty sure the *entire* warrior discord crashed out over that shit
the vibes here during launch were awful
wind hatch
yeah lol
nova marsh
because arms was undisputedly the worst in the spec in the game and made that way for literally no reason
Blizzard trolled us so bad and has to emergency buff us so we were actually playable
wind hatch
the way they treated us during the beta was a generational fumble
nova marsh
I'm still salty
spring vale
the apex cdr was genuinely horrible
nova marsh
about how alpha + beta went
latent moss
minor gust
the way they treated us during the beta was a generational fumble
we have spent this entire patch watching them undo almost all the beta nerfs
minor gust
still waiting on that DN buff
wind hatch
still waiting on that DN buff
soon 
nova marsh
what do you do now you dont play wow
Vibe with other games
pulsar frost
which is
stable fiber
latent moss
Sub is doing reasonable 3T now at least
stable fiber
l m a o
latent moss
rets be like
nova marsh
And I need to finish pragmata
minor gust
latent moss
i funnel my es hits for 2 mil
the humble 300k heroic strike
the humble 200k cleave
the humble 200k op
stable fiber
i have a log PRE 298 WEAPON AND TRINKETS of me doing 143k dps to saprish on the seat 3t boss
nova marsh
That poor enhance shammy
pulsar frost
And I need to finish pragmata
prag better then the last 2 you named, should play it, im about to play FH6 when it releases in 17 mins
minor gust
oh 2nd boss
nova marsh
prag better then the last 2 you named, should play it, im about to play FH6 when...
I do really like it ngl
But
latent moss
i have a log PRE 298 WEAPON AND TRINKETS of me doing 143k dps to saprish on the ...
u were colo no
colo funnels more
nova marsh
I was gonna wait for my steam controller reservation to come in
pulsar frost
I was gonna wait for my steam controller reservation to come in
not gonna change much so might as well play
stable fiber
nova marsh
yes but have you considered
stable fiber
^
nova marsh
My xbox one refuses to turn on 90% of the time and is painfully annoying
pulsar frost
what does xbox have to do with this
latent moss
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/4q6pJg27HhanBwXt?fight=1&type=damage-done&p...
xd
stable fiber
xd
yeah thats as slayer
i did 280k dps on that boss
slayer is jsut nasty idk
its super glass cannon though
latent moss
colo does like 320k there
stable fiber
u sure?
stable fiber
i really dont think so
latent moss
the humble 300k heroic strike
stable fiber
i think their prio is very similar
latent moss
and both are 40% ahead of every other spec in the game
minor gust
7-10% sounds right
neon shale
Slarms prio is ooking me after colussus
latent moss
@stable fiber we did algethar 20 we depleted it but
minor gust
Slayer aint far behind in prio which is what really helps it too
latent moss
first pull as thane fury
is impossible
wtih aug
u just do no dmg to big lasher
next try as slarms
easy
big lasher exploded
latent moss
Slayer aint far behind in prio which is what really helps it too
y i mean both are infinitely ahead than other specs
i think assa cranks prio dmg too
ive seen them do insane st in raid
they run dot up the adds
and go to boss
latent moss
worse than arms funnel considerably though from what ive seen
but it also doesnt require 3 stacked mobs
latent moss
i really dont think so
thing is
fob is broken
and arms slam is much stronger
including hs
ive had 300k hs
pre 298 weapon and trinkets
from my paladins kill
544k ogcd dmg
from 1 talent
cleave can hit for around 300k as colo too
latent moss
idk 1144k
from 1 global
that ucan press 3 times in arwo
row*
obv not gonna be 1144k every time but
still
tight basin
Anyone got a clue when this season ends? is there coming a 1.5 or similar
latent moss
collasping star = 5 million 1 gcd
john midnight spec
tranquil swift
gun to head... mythic keys 16+... slayer arms or col arms hit me
stable fiber
flip a coin
latent moss
doesnt matter
tranquil swift
gun to head...... doesnt matter isnt an asnwer xD
pulsar frost
reroll
stable fiber
both specs OWN
stable fiber
here ill flip a coin for you
stable fiber
gun to head... mythic keys 16+... slayer arms or col arms hit me
SLAYER
tranquil swift
slayer it is
latent moss
was cinema
stable fiber
ive had 3 keys today all different guardians
just die
and insta abandon
its aids
then a bdk just MOGS them
latent moss
classic
tranquil swift
thank you @stable fiber for making my life easier
stable fiber
thank you <@232249410103279616> for making my life easier
every day you can just flip a coin and itll pick for you
stable fiber
slayer and colossus both own
latent moss
he got r1 damage as well
tranquil swift
that collosasus st really made me sorta throw up
latent moss
what a goat
tranquil swift
less things to track with slayer right? dont have to tack that thing you need to get to 5-10 before demolish or whatever
stable fiber
he got r1 damage as well
to be fair i think its r1 out of 1 no
oh
r1 of 9
solid
stable fiber
i did get healed for 25 seconds
wcyd
pot on cd
went dstance
cant live
reflected
now i time a +20 npx and reroll the crit ring
BANGGG
sudden owl
I can pot the second adds on lura and still have it for the juice right
opal jackal
anyone else's damage suck balls in AA as slayer? owns bosses but not keeping up in AoE overall with other classes
hybrid needle
Oh yeah i feel like dogwater in Aa, but the priodmg is there so.. whatever i guess
latent moss
anyone else's damage suck balls in AA as slayer? owns bosses but not keeping up ...
u do a lot of relevant damage
lasher dmg legit does nothing
killing big lashers saves the tank from dying
rare kite
anyone else's damage suck balls in AA as slayer? owns bosses but not keeping up ...
first pull damage does not matter, yea you look bad on overall but that's fine. you kill the big plant things
stable fiber
I can pot the second adds on lura and still have it for the juice right
yes
neon shale
Does regularl ogging through Archon also update M+ on warcraftogs
or do i gotta do soome other step idk im noob at loggin
balmy kindle
Just log and upload your logs with archon
neon shale
i did, my Raid logs updated but not M+ at least not yet
maybe its this i just gott wait
minor gust
lasher dmg legit does nothing
took like 15 min to form a grp for that 19AA brew failed to drop stacks and died gg
nova marsh
whats the best sim for dungeons?
Just to see ur dps?
rugged hill
first pull damage does not matter, yea you look bad on overall but that's fine. ...
Literally just came here to ask if anyone else felt like AA opener makes us look like shit or if I’m doing something horribly wrong haha this is reassuring
slow saddle
