Yeah Ive noticed a lot of shit doesn't pop up anymore with floating combat text
#arms
lone yarrow
on vor/chim/alleria/bel/lura you'll be deadweight with colossus
chimaerus debatable I suppose if you take the pad killer role then it's fine as col
marble needle
Then can I do slayer for all raid content and then colo for m+
Im aotc only
No mythic
wispy geode
It's without a doubt a you problem
Is there any good guides? Ive been on YouTube and watched them and I swear I got the rotation but it just seems like its trash
lone yarrow
Then can I do slayer for all raid content and then colo for m+
you do not do slayer for all raid content
wispy geode
Like smash spin prio mortal strike use exe proc but mortal strike first then overpowered rend slam seems basic
cold cargo
sacred zodiac
you do not do slayer for all raid content
can do slayer for all raid for aotc content
lone yarrow
I mean sure if heroic only I guess dragons and imperator adds are not that big of a deal
lone yarrow
can do slayer for all raid for aotc content
yeah on second thought I agree
rare kite
are you pressing stuff all the time? better to press something wrong than press nothing @wispy geode
sacred zodiac
for mythic only boss id play col is paladins
wispy geode
I am spamming things till im out of rage yes
slow saddle
for mythic only boss id play col is paladins
Dragons
lone yarrow
for mythic only boss id play col is paladins
nah dragons is giga for colossus
sacred zodiac
others can pad more efficiently
lone yarrow
on mythic both dragons are tanked close together so it's a perma 2 target fight
rare kite
dragons with multiple devourer dhs, gl padding
sacred zodiac
just play slayer shrug
lone yarrow
it's not about pad
marble needle
Why is colo giga for dragons tell me like Im 5 yrs old
marble needle
Gotcha
sacred zodiac
technically get a lot of demo cdr since youre 2 target cleaving
lone yarrow
not really, adds are not the primary thing
lone yarrow
technically get a lot of demo cdr since youre 2 target cleaving
this and not technically
sacred zodiac
idk if slayer or col sims win in 2 target cleave but im p sure itll be slayer
lone yarrow
it's a shitton of dumb fun cdr and you do bs damage too while at it
sudden owl
i feel like ur options on dragons are do big dragon damage as slayer, or if your group has 2+ blood dks you can hope the rest of your group does not kill the adds before demolish finishes channeling
sacred zodiac
@deft girder Just smashed my 84-inch TV in rage. Abrahams is embarrassing me in front of my entire family. My 2 children are in tears, scared of my rage as I pace around the room trembling. I can’t take this anymore. Fire Parzival immediately or my kids will not get dinner tommorow
fresh spire
@Xeos "wardevbadsincebfa" Wonka Just smashed my 84-inch TV in rage. Abrahams is embarrassing me in front of my entire family. My 2 children are in tears, scared of my rage as I pace around the room trembling. I can’t take this anymore. Fire Parzival immediately or my kids will not get dinner tommorow
fuark
deft girder
wispy geode
Is fury maybe putting out better ST then arms? I might just do that since I dont understand why arms is doing terrible damage for me
lone yarrow
i feel like ur options on dragons are do big dragon damage as slayer, or if your...
nah playing slayer on mythic dragons is trolling
lone yarrow
Is fury maybe putting out better ST then arms? I might just do that since I dont...
just press your buttons on cd and align cooldowns
do not press avatar or bs without cs
even if you have to hold them for 10-20 seconds
rare kite
Is fury maybe putting out better ST then arms? I might just do that since I dont...
no but they're pretty close to eachother
can try fury and see if you do better
minor gust
Is there any good guides? Ive been on YouTube and watched them and I swear I got...
I can't say anything for certain because I don't know your skill level and how you play. But most new players who say they got the priority down tight struggle with things like uptime and making sure to use every single global the moment it's ready. Examples are you dodging swirlies in a way that allows you to keep hitting the boss. Are you still hitting and doing mechanics at the same time? If you get a circle on you that you have to take to the edge of the room are you waiting till the last second and leaping out or are you leaving immediately and just sitting afk at the wall waiting for the puddle to drop.
Stuff like that
wispy geode
Thats what I do i open cs ava and bs into mortal strike then overpower with hopeful procs of heroic strike and execute and overpower while smashing mortal strike on cd which is how they explain jt
It
And yea I am a new player midnight is my first season but im not new to mmorpgs at all. But when learning mechanics sure like we did mythic dream last night but im at 56k dps lol bottom 3 always and I mastered the mechanics easily I thought but my dps still terrible even just always hitting boss
And im building crit/haste just like it says
lone yarrow
do you have any logs?
lone yarrow
you don't need to log yourself if someone in your group did
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/ plug your char name here and check it
you can also select m+ instead of raids
wispy geode
Well it was a mythic pug prog group we did so idk really.
lone yarrow
in general it's very hard to provide specific help aside from generic stuff that's already been beaten to death in guides without logs
twin reef
does someone have a moment to look over my log and discuss? i seem to be utterly garb 😄
wispy geode
Ive been using colossus the entire time in m+ and then i tanked the heroic versions still have yet to clear crown and lura for aotc but this was my first test in the slayer tree
lone yarrow
does someone have a moment to look over my log and discuss? i seem to be utterly...
sure hmu
minor gust
And yea I am a new player midnight is my first season but im not new to mmorpgs ...
What really helped me when I was learning is just watching peoples POVs on fights not really looking at what buttosn they are pressing but more how they move, how they position, and how they deal with mechanics.
crisp cedar
https://i.imgur.com/qMXiZgK.png what do people replace for massacre?
wispy geode
What really helped me when I was learning is just watching peoples POVs on fight...
I will do that honestly when I watch a few more videos here tonight. I am super competitive and in m+ 10s and 11s as colossus arms im usually on top of the dps charts. But ive only gone as high as 11 so far. But yea thanks for all the help honestly I hope I can do better but the slayer tree does seem a bit slower for rage I feel and maybe thats my problem too.
Im sure ill work out the kinks lol
cedar cairn
Thanks king
neon shale
Is there weekly voidhsard cap?
latent moss
no
neon shale
And does N raid drop shards?
ionic mica
And does N raid drop shards?
yes but its not 100% drop chance like heroic or mythic
or keys 10 or above
neon shale
Ok I gotta knockout the weekly quests first I’m 2x weeks behind
Before I get locked out to raid
Ty
cosmic totem
its fine if i have 0 versa as arms warrior or need at least 60?
tranquil swift
Col arms in keys are the highest overral right now right?
wispy geode
So on a single target training dummy is 65k dps at 276 ilvl as arms slayer is that bad dps? Xd
Ive been trying here and not able to come above that on ST for like 20-30 mins
boreal nimbus
I just played slayer and I prefer it over colossus, is there any slayer MT builds?
minor gust
yes wowhead will have one for you
wispy geode
Where would I find a training dummy sim? Sorry I am a bit new to wow still
boreal nimbus
Thank you Frozenbozo
minor gust
Where would I find a training dummy sim? Sorry I am a bit new to wow still
how familiar are you with simming? if at all?
wispy geode
Not familiar with simming at all
boreal nimbus
raidbots.com for simming, then use addon "simulationcraft" after you installed it just type /simc and copy that into
Then you get see dps difference on different types of gear in your inventory, vault etc.
hollow wave
Ravager and Sweeping strikes removed, arms becomes the perfect spec
vagrant hull
There are guides on how to sim, worth reading for your first time
minor gust
Not familiar with simming at all
Cool its something worth looking into if you really enjoy wow and min maxing your character. Its a lot to explain so I recommend looking it up on Youtube, theres plenty of simming guides and intros. But for example here is my character in a training dummy sim so that means 0 buffs 0 consumables just hitting a 100% hp training dummy and telling what the number should be when played perfect. https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3Wh2anktZdmcrT3yVkcEHk
so you can use this as a way to determine if you are following the prio correctly
wispy geode
I really appreciate that honestly thank you tons. I love warrior honestly and I have been loving wow and I am a min maxer in my mmorpgs. So I will definitely do this and take a peak at that also!
minor gust
yeah if you really want to get into wow you need to learn to become very familiar with simming. Its the best tool out there for gearing your character and much much more
its pretty easy to get into as well
vagrant hull
Hey Frozen, for slayer in M+, when the tank is pulling packs together and is in the process of gathering them all together. I use to MS / Cleave to build up stacks in Colo. What's your go to in that situation for slayer?
minor gust
you can fish for SD procs if you dont have ID stacks, but theres nothing that you really need to hit gathering mobs for like colo besides just dmging the mobs.
vagrant hull
rog, thank you
vagrant hull
sheesh
granite swift
is EU hotfix live too or do we have to suffer too just because
minor gust
do a +10 and find out
hasty bobcat
is live
upper sparrow
Ravager and Sweeping strikes removed, arms becomes the perfect spec
Sweeping strikes always*
twin hazel
is US live?
granite swift
is US live?
yeah both live now
sand totem
guildmate <:critcake:984549832511344640>
Absolute L mog
marble needle
Should I craft 285 2h or just use all my rerolls in pit
calm hollow
Pit is the way!
wispy geode
Pit for necklace and the wedding ring is it?
Ive been running nexus for the void and light 2 set is that ideal
sacred zodiac
p much anything in that dungeon is good through catalyst or the raw item being good
sand totem
Hey lads.
The priests in my guild have been trying to invalidate my parses. So pretty much every fight im getting dual PI'd.
But only like... half the time it invalidates me. Any idea what the requirement is on WCL to validate vs invalidate a log?
minor gust
if you recieve more than 1 PI in a 2 min window it will be invalidated
sand totem
So I 100% got 4 PIs in a 2 min window, but it didnt invalidate my log. But they were perfectly synced on top of each other.
wind hatch
i think it's if they overlap or something
twin hazel
So if i bonus roll on Midnight Falls is there a good chance for Dawnsong?
sacred zodiac
is dawnsong the final boss weapon
i think so
it'll just be 1/#of items on the drop table
would not recommend using bonus rolls on hc items tho
twin hazel
What level Mythic is it for the Hammer?
sacred zodiac
can you rephrase your question i do not understand what you're asking
twin hazel
Isnt there a minimum Mythic dundeon level for Garfrost 2 ton hammer? Like 10 or 12?
wind hatch
10
twin hazel
thx!
sacred zodiac
yes if you want to bonus roll the 2 ton hammer you have to do 10 or higher pits
twin hazel
cost one nebulous voidcore?
sacred zodiac
just one per attempt for m+
hollow wave
Whats so good about the pit of saron weapon?
sacred zodiac
Whats so good about the pit of saron weapon?
good stats on a weapon that drops from a dungeon that has a lot of good arms gear (or gear that can be catalyzed into good arms gear)
hollow wave
good stats on a weapon that drops from a dungeon that has a lot of good arms gea...
Just for the secondary stats?
uneven minnow
still no hotfix?
wraith lichen
still no hotfix?
Its out
uneven minnow
nice
sacred zodiac
Just for the secondary stats?
ye
upper sparrow
Voidclaw gauntlets 0/6? Is that even possible, how much fkin loot is in this place
glossy badge
/cdm
crisp cedar
how important is keeping rend up on all targets in aoe playing colo?
minor gust
keep it up or lose a lot of dmg
polar hazel
with colo build you get rage from rend and god knows we like to spend that stuff
crisp cedar
ahhh ok tyvm
brave silo
how important is keeping rend up on all targets in aoe playing colo?
rend before your big send
steep walrus
12 seat
brave silo
and rend when you SS in between don't need that actually
then rend before next big send
steep walrus
finally starting to top lol
crisp cedar
yeah i always do im just not great at paying attention to all targets having it atm
steep walrus
@minor gust all cuz of u bud
crisp cedar
very new warrior and deffo just intensely staring at what buttons to press next instead of anything infront of me 👍
minor gust
<@404826388701380608> all cuz of u bud
brave silo
very new warrior and deffo just intensely staring at what buttons to press next ...
that gets easy pretty quick. you end up doing cycles that are the same - you just feel when rend and SS need to be pressed
crisp cedar
that gets easy pretty quick. you end up doing cycles that are the same - you jus...
yes sir, should it always be possible to get 2 demolishes off during smash btw?
brave silo
not every time. under lust it's very easy
crisp cedar
i imagine this is a big dps increase if you do
brave silo
but you can send demo on CD if you want - it's much of a muchness
crisp cedar
but its not something to play for?
brave silo
i imagine this is a big dps increase if you do
on something like paladins on pull you'll want to do that before tank takes bell away
and in keys on first rip its nice
you get your third demo in your second CS window
just vibe it out
crisp cedar
roger that bossman tyvm
brave silo
thanks should be given to the other peeps in here doing all the heavy lifting - Im just a student 🙂
polar hazel
The slayer build is also worth a spin im loving it
crisp cedar
I enjoy slayer more but seem to do much less damage playing it, and not enough prio for it to be worth, tbf tho i have only spammed 12s to gear so things die very fast
polar hazel
Not being a chud unless the tanks pulls a pack ontop of bossfights is refreshing and i still manage a respectable 130k overall in 14-15s
balmy kindle
I enjoy slayer more but seem to do much less damage playing it, and not enough p...
Less overall is by design, prior mobs die fastwr
minor gust
Huge
sharp flame
Huge
dps low in the 2nd P1 so we just gripped adds onto the egg
my god
i was salivating
minor gust
surreal aurora
QQ how many stacks or Martial Prowess is recomended for MS?
leaden mist
guys, am i stupid or i cant find a guide for the new slayer rotation?
cuz it changed right?
tepid hull
guys, am i stupid or i cant find a guide for the new slayer rotation?
Critcake and Biz released videos recently that go over the new rotations
Its in one of their dungeon runs
sharp flame
guys, am i stupid or i cant find a guide for the new slayer rotation?
iirc
its
never mortal strike during execute
unless you have CS on boss
in dungeon only
minor gust
sound the slarms?
minor gust
nah bro you cant convince me to drop CC
minor gust
prob a lil bit bigger with it then
minor gust
kinda not surprised especially for slarms at a 2% diff on CC VS TE in aoe
latent moss
still 2% on aoe
i will try it in some fuckass keys
man i just love tactical edge
after playing it for one normal boss
latent moss
based
hello i do 3 trillion on st
thing is ye
my thought process was
3 cleaves in a row cant be that big for slayer
cause its kinda w/e
need 3 cd stacks for slayer cleave to deal dmg
and reap never procs
anyway
minor gust
yeah for sure
minor gust
with that kinda aoe vs ST trade def an option if you wanna do it
thick hamlet
bros i'm really confused about something
during execute do you not use mortal strike on pure ST unless you got colossus on the target?
not even with x2 EP?
forest dove
it depends on your build
if playing martial prowess, you still cs at 2 stacks of executioner
if not playing it, then what you said it correct
thick hamlet
ok i get you now, thanks
forest dove
no problemo
hybrid needle
tw ?
latent moss
no clue
@minor gust
uhm
tank pulled
pack by pack
so small pulls
need a dung with bigger pulls and a bit higher level
lean geode
shaman have their monitor turned on or?
latent moss
shaman have their monitor turned on or?
he is 210 ilvl
nvm he is not
he is 269
i have no idea
he did 63k overall
hybrid needle
how
latent moss
idk
latent moss
MAX feelycraft gameplay
cleave > sd > opp op > ms with TE > exe if high rage > op > rend
need to track TE
bro cdm is showing that im tracking it
but its not showing the icon
hybrid needle
you mean EP?
lean geode
he did 63k overall
statement?
latent moss
i cba with this game
latent moss
statement?
goat
lean geode
That was with 0 presses of dnd
lean geode
didn't realize that button was +8% oops
latent moss
ye
putrefy has no cd
cause of cycle of death
bro TE owns i swear
wish i could track it
hybrid needle
This dude declined me cause "i want 80+ logs only"
latent moss
This dude declined me cause "i want 80+ logs only"
axxaxaxaxax
minor gust
bro cdm is showing that im tracking it
yeah I was having that issue earlier when I was trying it out in heroic
can kinda track it in ur head cuz its only 2
but still
fleet rover
I have a suboptimal myth 2h rn, is it 100% safe to take it to max ilv and then be able to upgrade pos mace, to max for free?
Max being 289 or whatever not the voidsphere
echo tendon
rare kite
they didn't use dnd before .5 after .5 they do
minor gust
how hard we slapping these bosses
stable fiber
i think you can get away with not using it though
i havent used dnd and still do like 220k overalls lmao
spring vale
its not a big deal using it tho
just set once the tank is finishing gathering and your putrefy cd just fucking spins
it sounds like a pain but if you can get 10 mobs to stand in it for 3 seconds, its already worth
anything beyond that is just stonks
vernal pebble
yo guys what is the fastest way to get shards
wind hatch
yo guys what is the fastest way to get shards
heroic full clear > 2 nightmare preys and t11 bountiful delves > +10s
lean geode
i havent used dnd and still do like 220k overalls lmao
+8% in aoe idk
latent moss
healer just incapable of healing
spring vale
saw quite a few groups on lfg zerging heroic voidspire with like 25-30 people
latent moss
bro this is the truth
minor gust
<@404826388701380608> was doing 110k boss at 22% vordaza
Do i send it for belo prog
latent moss
i need to
minor gust
wind hatch
SS off them to alleria/
you shouldnt play powerful momentum on that fight so no
latent moss
Do i send it for belo prog
bro this is so confusing to play
TE
in general trying to keep sending opp
WAIT
OPP STACKS TO TWO
FUCK
minor gust
TE is the truth
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nt5oi4iB89CNwrMcy5b5sG TE build
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ueSHdvV4z9nZHmPyq9z2gZ Norm
no MP for this belo build only 600 dps loss
minor gust
Rest in Piss MS
near radish
is there a reason all dps are nelf rn - purely meld?
balmy kindle
For slayer pure ST builds is the mortal strike talent still better than opp?
minor gust
yes
balmy kindle
I see, ms still kinda hits like a wet noodle though
balmy kindle
I swear in m+ the less MS I press the more dmg I do
It's petty Haram but hey blizzard wills it
latent moss
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nt5oi4iB89CNwrMcy5b5sG TE build
https://...
te is peak
lean geode
any lura knowers know if I battle shout during memory game will it go to the other phases?
latent moss
yeah but if I play it in keys I wont have crushing and I love that shit
man
imagine if we had alpha opp
and alpha tree in general
and we just didnt play cleave as slayer
and our aoe was reap + exe spam + dn and opp op
man 
minor gust
without MP its not actually better tho than norm just doing this cuz I really like the exe rotation for TE
languid torrent
we jumped on a pull when we entered p2 intermission and i was at 188k
i gotta figure out how to parse that fight
minor gust
if you dont have perfect P1s on that fight you aint parsing
minor gust
any missed stacks on that adds just deletes ur dmg
languid torrent
how does is calc that damage in p1
nvm i think i answered my own question watching a log
cinder tangle
for m+ at 258, we going colossus or slayer? my stats are trash
minor gust
both are good play whats more fun to you
languid torrent
maybe ill get a log review later. its bed time now
because i can clearly do alot better on that boss, unforc i dont think we are going back until like post lura
cinder tangle
both are good play whats more fun to you
dunno, kinda frustrated because i cant pull more than 28k on bosses, but i know my gear also sucks
minor gust
TE beats MP on 2t
With what build because you got both for raid?
minor gust
oh ur talking about what I was using
latent moss
or is that mickey mouse build
cinder tangle
can someone share a rotation guide for both colossus and slayer? or i use the one on icy veins?
cedar cairn
Would it be silly to swap 1 point of CT for ME?
minor gust
or is that mickey mouse build
Thing Is I was thinking without MP MS prio prob drops even more
minor gust
ye but te props it up again
yeah but I was thinking without MP if you dont have TE stacks maybe OPP takes prio over MS. Or that might not matter because OPP is 2 stacks?
I would adjust the apl but middle of raid rn
elder sandal
thoughts? :D
latent moss
yeah but I was thinking without MP if you dont have TE stacks maybe OPP takes pr...
hmm
also i just played colo on paladins
hc
that spec is so dumb
300k cleaves
for fun
i was st-ing for the last 15 seconds
sadge
also
opportunist is still cringe
there is lag on cdm
we fixed it with wa's back in tww but that shit gone
crude rapids
thoughts? :D
Looks good id probs have demo on top bar thou!
nova marsh
Looks good id probs have demo on top bar thou!
Good point actually. I'd just remove slam personally
Or move slam to bottom
latent moss
Good point actually. I'd just remove slam personally
how u gonna track hs
yeah to bottom makes sense
minor gust
there is lag on cdm
works for me the glow at least
neon shale
we upgrde wep obvi?
winged adder
Is there a channel in this server for log review? I think I'm doing something very wrong in single target but can't figure it out.
elder sandal
Do u have bars underneath?
i do
nova marsh
fair
crude rapids
I really miss being able to change rage bar colour depending on buff with wa
nova marsh
Personally I just prefer using my bars for most of my stuff like a WA
latent moss
works for me the glow at least
ye true no reason to track the buff itself
elder sandal
Looks good id probs have demo on top bar thou!
would you move down slam/heroic strike for it instead?
neon shale
whats bis shard farm ??
elder sandal
Also....why SS as a bar *and* as an icon
you need to track it as buff to have it in the bar
elder sandal
enhanceqol for the stack bar and bettercdm for the cds
minor gust
prolly preys
Die MS die
crude rapids
would you move down slam/heroic strike for it instead?
Yeah 100%
minor gust
ms needs help
breakdown be funny on some of these pulls
minor gust
needs a buff for sure prob 10% would be fine
latent moss
nah 30% make us insane on st
minor gust
giga
latent moss
thats the only thing we do anyway
spring vale
guys i havent been keeping up a whole lot
is the colo M+ build still lowkey tank damage on bosses if there's nothing to funnel
spring vale
aw oki
tiny oasis
is it either full aoe or st on arms but no middle ground?
soft sigil
For the most part, arms has few hybrid talents that work for both ST and AOE, and a lot of its power budget is in execute which doesn't serve much of a use in AOE unless you play slayer
latent moss
is it either full aoe or st on arms but no middle ground?
kinda
tranquil swift
how far ahead is arms col ahead of fury thane in high keys would you say?
latent moss
a lot probably
tranquil swift
if someone has 15 mins to show me the ropes ill give $ or gold xD
latent moss
the prio dmg is just insane
u pull 2 mobs on boss and colossus suddenly does 120k st
vague ore
does anyone know if you can charge through the wave on the last boss of windspire with slayer?
winged adder
thanks
soft sigil
does anyone know if you can charge through the wave on the last boss of windspir...
It's a stun not a movement impairment so unless there is some tech with that no it won't work, you can bladestorm through without taking damage or getting stunned though
lime ruin
If you guys have 2 stacks of overpower and mortal strike available do you overpower or MS first
vague ore
It's a stun not a movement impairment so unless there is some tech with that no ...
yeah makes sense ty
soft sigil
yeah makes sense ty
Easiest thing to do is get knocked up by an arrow and then leap into the safe space
latent moss
bountiful 11 delves are 100%
steep walrus
lost the dps battle because one pull I was playing chicken with a caster mob waiting for it to cast again aafter I wasnt there in time for the first one. If I would have said f it I would have won
that was a 3400 284 ilvl demo while im 3100 283 slarms
I think i'm at least starting to get it
In that situation I should just go hit the pack and maybe throw stun at it and let demo kick him?
brave silo
Use leap/charge and just go kick it when it's casting - uptime is everything
but more a ranged class problem
steep walrus
Yeah i wonder if I should be using a mouse over charge?
It might make that easier idk
brave silo
would be useful up until you accidently charge to something you dont want to
steep walrus
Yeah i bet it would cause more harm then help. I just need to not choke next time im in that situation. Good learning experience at least and I did better than I would have a few days ago
Than* I think you use there
upper sparrow
In that situation I should just go hit the pack and maybe throw stun at it and l...
Casters on an island are a caster problem 🤷🏻♂️
gentle gyro
yes
tacit moat
is this a correct breakdown? lol
obsidian void
noob question but do i wait for CS to come back for demolish or do i just send demolish at 10 stacks?
latent moss
noob question but do i wait for CS to come back for demolish or do i just send d...
if cs is more than 10s away
send
cedar cairn
yall think colo or slayer would work out better in general for straight puggin?
dusk lake
Ehh it really depends right? But i feel like slayer would be less punishing
minor gust
yall think colo or slayer would work out better in general for straight puggin?
Colo depends on funnel to do human boss dmg. Funnel is not something you will commonly see in pugs
daring grove
we still have problems with pug life after buffs?
slow saddle
yall think colo or slayer would work out better in general for straight puggin?
its not close slayer
midnight root
man i hate dragons
clever crag
Anyone else hate these stupid upgrade systems ?
It feels like way too much
Just let me bis and do my content
rose matrix
I don't really mind it but the amount of currencies they add are a bit much
rose matrix
yall think colo or slayer would work out better in general for straight puggin?
Slayer for pugs all the way. Even when I do a 19 I still don't really see funnel on bosses like Garfrost and Vordaza. There are a few dungeons though where Colossus is really strong without extra funnel
cedar cairn
Slayer for pugs all the way. Even when I do a 19 I still don't really see funnel...
Yea I've been seeing zero funnel but figured I'd ask anyway. Ripping execute is fun though so that's good to hear
clever crag
I don't really mind it but the amount of currencies they add are a bit much
Now if I want to parse I have to farm infinite delves or some trash before raid
Because the other ppl WILL do it
latent moss
bountiful 11s are fast
clever crag
All gear is mythic
rose matrix
I have been doing the every once in a while just to get my Valeera to 60
halcyon valve
Love nothing more than getting my melee hits parried by the piece of shit boss during execute and get starved if rage
latent moss
just stand behind
clever crag
Yeah why is this classic ass mechanic still in the game ?
rose matrix
I love doing MC with all the shit in melee
clever crag
0 brain activity
rose matrix
While my ranged is afk casting
halcyon valve
Yeah its just annoying for the sake of being annoying
clever crag
They dont even cast anymore
Try mage
All insta
I played mage in Legion and this current could be played by a chimp
hybrid needle
Am i fkin bad or is Outlaws dmg just so good
halcyon valve
And the range of which bosses can parry, what they can parry, and where they parry is just dumb
I remember rashanan (the huge guy in aberrus) parrying fucking thunderous roar, when i was standing nearly 90 degrees to his side. Bro how does he parry sound with his toes
halcyon valve
Am i fkin bad or is Outlaws dmg just so good
They got buffed somewhat recently so not too surprising
Outlaw good
rose matrix
Yeah especially if they're getting good rolls
clever crag
And the range of which bosses can parry, what they can parry, and where they par...
That pos used to eat my CS all day
latent moss
i stood behind
rl telling me to stand in front
i stand in front for 5 secs
then go behind again
ez
minor gust
Real
bold anchor
Just stand behind the dragons 
minor gust
Bros gone off the TE deep end now
latent moss
if master tactician was 10%
we would be easily playing it
bro bloodsurge is oversimming
how is it
4% dps on aoe
when u never starve on aoe
minor gust
Yeah something doesn't feel right with bloodsurge sims
It's a gain everywhere when u turn off skyfury. But like it doesn't make sense why it even would because the rage in ST is minimal and aoe doesn't even need the rage
latent moss
ye efficiency overpowering finish martial prowess
is 1.5% on aoe and 1% on st
sound the alarms for those without shaman
(me)
polar hazel
no skyfury is rough i agree
minor gust
Exe build still plays well without skyfury in practice nbd
latent moss
st is rough from my experience
if i get slightly unlucky
ye crushing combo is dead
for no skyfury
long live TE
te is -1.1% on aoe and +1.9% on st
minor gust
Gotta do some keys with it
minor gust
Yeah that was me on belo all night
minor gust
Op up top
latent moss
i did 0 add damage
cause big add was always way too far
and i lost boss uptime and couldnt sweep
next week im going full st and just giga blast boss
minor gust
Dropped all the MS talents for op no surprise
latent moss
Dropped all the MS talents for op no surprise
even with skyfury
scary how insane op is
wide apex
am I locking this in without skyfury
latent moss
probably
wide apex
good work
I never should've simmed how much skyfury was worth. had me in shambles for a bit
dusk lake
Guys in m+ do you prepot before you start the encounter?
latent moss
ur next 2 ms trigger tact
no skyfury
current gear is massacre ct with TE over crushing combo
balmy kindle
Interesting , guess TE has great value because of opportunist?
latent moss
well first of all crushing combo has no st value
second of all 2 free globals whenever u cs
is kinda nice
on top of opportunist doing insane dmg
median fox
Anyone else having issues using the ascendant voidcore on his weapon?
I try to use mine and nothing happens
i have the one from PoS fully upgraded and when i click it it just does nothing at all
sweet basin
worked for me fine yesterday, just need to be near that table where the counters are
zenith lodge
i have the one from PoS fully upgraded and when i click it it just does nothing ...
are you in voidstorm next to the hammer when using the item?
median fox
worked for me fine yesterday, just need to be near that table where the counters...
oh ok, didnt know you have to be near the hammer, ty
balmy kindle
Did you run this on M chim?
balmy kindle
Icic, gonna prog M chim again, kinda feel helpless on adds
clever crag
Is the build changing again ? Lmao
clever crag
Icic, gonna prog M chim again, kinda feel helpless on adds <:KEKW:14864268027621...
Go colo
Easy adds
latent moss
Icic, gonna prog M chim again, kinda feel helpless on adds <:KEKW:14864268027621...
fuck adds
fiery inlet
there is no way that we struggle with chim adds in this day and age
slow saddle
Struggle is parsing
balmy kindle
there is no way that we struggle with chim adds in this day and age
It's an aotc guild attempting to swim in M
So yes
latent moss
got like rank 5 boss dam but no one logged
fiery inlet
parsing is anyways cooked with all the shitty ddh's that are blasting the adds in a milisecond
clever crag
Yes
balmy kindle
Thanks, guys weren't lying when they said chim is harder than first 3
clever crag
Just need to kick fears
The rest is ez pretty much
I hate the fight tho
Worst fight for arms dmg profile
balmy kindle
It just feels like pad fiesta
clever crag
Yeah
balmy kindle
Like old MM would probably feast on the meters while doing absolutely nada
clever crag
The big one button burst specs feast
If your burst is slow like arms youre fucked
By the time you start bs/demo adds are dead
wide apex
Guys in m+ do you prepot before you start the encounter?
you can prepot and pre puzzlebox but in some dungeons its not useful
frail mulch
im just struggling to dps as arms. I know its my rotation but im following it to the letter. This was last nights raid. Any advice i would appreciate.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/FvTCZdmLJnNkhRKj
daring flicker
Is there any reason you are pressing whirlwind?
frail mulch
are we not meant to for the adds?
daring flicker
Arms doesn’t press whirlwind
You would Talent cleave for aoe
Also your mortal strike usage seems incorrect
You also over press rend
fresh spire
You can ww>slam when many targets
daring flicker
That’s not that major tho
rare kite
You can ww>slam when many targets
At what target count is that Even worth? Lose out on potential hs procs as well
ebon hollow
yo guys i have a 2/6 myth items and no crests to upgrade it with, is it safe to use the upgrade thingy on it or can i no longer upgrade it afterwards
sullen dragon
can only be used on fully upgraded items
ebon hollow
oh i see thx
daring flicker
Also your mortal strike usage seems incorrect
On one of the pulls you go 20 seconds without pressing mortal strike but you fill with other abilities
frail mulch
On one of the pulls you go 20 seconds without pressing mortal strike but you fil...
oh right i see that
fresh spire
At what target count is that Even worth? Lose out on potential hs procs as well
Probs at a decent amount. Wouldn't know from the top of my head. Does as much damage as ms sweep at like 6 targets
I've been cooking a new build for St. Has as much dps as bbx2
Only uses ms twice per Cs during execute to force reset op to spam more
Still need to test if there is any gains over playing around opportunist/charges but was trying it yesterday and felt pretty good having consistent resets after using cs
Pretty clean to swap to Broad too
frail mulch
On one of the pulls you go 20 seconds without pressing mortal strike but you fil...
would you wait to get 3 stacks of Martial Prowless befor MS
daring flicker
Nah, just send it
The only condition you really play around is EP in execute
Outside of that it’s just the prio list
wide apex
ur next 2 ms trigger tact
do you make sure to have spend 1 overpower charge before you mortal strike in ST?
rose matrix
probably if you're capped
exotic horizon
Guys is there a guide ? if you play closus on when to swap talent in dungeon ?
latent moss
do you make sure to have spend 1 overpower charge before you mortal strike in ST...
nah
might be incorrect
tho
ask fishy he cooked it
latent moss
same
wind flicker
Like what the fuck is this
latent moss
i am aware that there are people who decline high rio
cause idk
they think they are toxic or something
halcyon valve
I've been declined to 10 Pit of Saron's +10 so far
wind flicker
i am aware that there are people who decline high rio
Yeah but like
Being declined that often
I just want my bonus roll 🙁
wind flicker
Yeah honestly might be faster
latent moss
they were pretty fast keys i cant lie
wind flicker
already in the key by now 🙁
latent moss
gg
wind flicker
what is this cook though?
latent moss
mostly for raid
cause bsurge is quite useless
until exe
and ww with fob allows for funnel
wind flicker
hmm ill look into it later
worthy magnet
Hello, I'm looking at Arms talents (M+), and I see people take Rend but not Thunder Clap. Most guides mention keeping Rend up. But why not press TC instead of Rend to achieve that? Does it do less damage when applied to multiple targets or something?
wide apex
I mostly like to spend the talent point elsewhere
worthy magnet
ye no 100%. I didn't see Rend was AoE now
wide apex
ah ^^
upper sparrow
they think they are toxic or something
Higher IO Tanks go bananas with lower IO ppl that can’t handle it. Higher IO DPS backseat the tank or ninja pull more packs. Higher IO healers are always chill af.
slow saddle
they think they are toxic or something
To me quite opposite tbh🤣
Been flamed more by 3k ppl than 3700++ ppl
rose matrix
I have literally never seen a high io player backseat and ninja pull in a 10
Honestly I don't really see anyone do that in a 10 anymore
clever crag
Higher IO Tanks go bananas with lower IO ppl that can’t handle it. Higher IO DPS...
Higher io tank can solo a 10
Wtf
clear turtle
So what’s the best way to farm these void core things now. I saw soemtning that said t1 ritual sites?
upper sparrow
I have literally never seen a high io player backseat and ninja pull in a 10
Had a 3600ish shaman pull an extra subjugator for the first pull of 12 Seat this pass reset. Healer either wasn’t ready or couldn’t handle it cause ppl died, ppl bitched, key was eventually abandoned.
Which I know, that pull is standard, but lower groups that aren’t used to it kinda spaz out for some reason
12 is kinda cursed I think cause it’s a mix of higher ppl doing it for weekly’s but also lower ppl still progressing
upper sparrow
Higher io tank can solo a 10
Yea the tank can but the group can’t lol tank pulling all crazy with ppl dying and they’ll leave pretty quick
rose matrix
Was that a elemental sham?
ionic mica
Had a 3600ish shaman pull an extra subjugator for the first pull of 12 Seat this...
if they had any idea what they were doing they would solo kill the pack in BL and solo cleanse the rings xD
on a 12*
upper sparrow
Was that a elemental sham?
Think so
rose matrix
Cause that sounds more like a person with long cds pulling for that more than their io
But yeah a elemental shaman should be able to pretty easily delete that pack with lust
ionic mica
wont even need a healer just drop a windrush and keep blasting
upper sparrow
Wish I was recording but I think it was probably the tank getting charged trying to pick up aggro that doomed it
ionic mica
thats fair those charge bleeds fuck way too hard
the amount of tanks that have done it at a reasonable level and just roll/charge etc away from them and then panic
wintry lichen
is ele or enh better for phys comp with a druid healer? (friend)
hasty pumice
wanna drop apex
No why would I
I am a big fan of heroic strike
The animation is sick and I love more procs that aren't slam
latent moss
tactical edge owning
hasty pumice
Good bye keksecute
deft bluff
That build looks,.. nasty
balmy kindle
It seems so cooking, gonna give it a go if no shaman
latent moss
Not just the raw SIM but with and without shaman buff
its surprisingly close
deft bluff
I wish Battlelord and Master Tactician were real
hasty pumice
Oops
latent moss
its like 1-2% behind on both 8t 1min and st 3min
deft bluff
MT is so ass
hasty pumice
Didn't mean to edit
hasty pumice
its like 1-2% behind on both 8t 1min and st 3min
Is it behind 1-2% behind WITH the buff or without the buff
latent moss
its like 1-2% behind on both 8t 1min and st 3min
than massacre ct with shaman
its like
6% ahead without shaman
and 1-2% behind with
for both aoe and st
hasty pumice
Yeah cause obviously you have to compare without shaman
latent moss
crushing combo is already droppable
-1% aoe for 2% st
for tactical edge
its a bit more than 2% actually with the optimized apl
like 2.3%
royal escarp
I love playing arms but i cant dps like fury 🙁 any guide
hasty pumice
for tactical edge
Can you tactically edge me?
latent moss
I love playing arms but i cant dps like fury 🙁 any guide
press cleave
then 3 random buttons
then cleave again
royal escarp
I do but nothing
latent moss
Can you tactically edge me?
yes
royal escarp
I prefer ms to op to reduce cs
royal escarp
But this is what i do
latent moss
u dont have to press rend ever
with this
and its more 2t
u swap just warming up for broad strokes and mp for powerful
latent moss
I prefer ms to op to reduce cs
what hero talent
slayer presses ms as filler unless ure playing tactical edge which you arent cause no one is yet
latent moss
@hasty pumice plays very well icl
apart from never pressing ms in execute outside of tactical edge
balmy kindle
Your prof pic fits your wow theorycraft
latent moss
also make sure to play opportunist if ure playing this
hasty pumice
Nexus king
latent moss
gg
hasty pumice
On nexus I played sweeps padding
Dragons sucked ass
But no double blood DK do be like that
latent moss
fuckass fight
hasty pumice
But legit
latent moss
i got r2 chim boss damage and then no one logged
grrrrr
how is it possible that in a pug
hasty pumice
Slayer m+ spec does super well in raid
latent moss
no one logs
latent moss
ye cause u actually dont lose a lot anymore
cause talents do nothing
master tactician is 0.4% over a talent that has 0 st value
👍
latent moss
this is a crime against humanity
latent moss
peak...
hasty pumice
Whirlwind lul
latent moss
u ww with hs up
latent moss
ww with fob is same dmg as sweep ms
per cast
btw
thats how busted fob is
idk im not raiding this tier but fishy mentioned this being useful on lura
abstract sphinx
Why is everyone farming crests on alts whats going on
latent moss
cause u have the interrupt mobs u can funnel off of
latent moss
Why is everyone farming crests on alts whats going on
myth of the dawn on main
wide apex
Why is everyone farming crests on alts whats going on
maybe they havent hit 285 yet and get discount on main
latent moss
ye
ionic mica
is ele or enh better for phys comp with a druid healer? (friend)
enh cos it actually uses monk and warr buff but might struggle to find one
balmy kindle
too squishy unfort
somber wave
do you 3x cleave into bladestorm or bladestorm first in slayer opener?
balmy kindle
bs straight
toxic osprey
@latent moss your cursed OP Slayer build are for raid and M+ ? it intrigue me so much that i need to try it
surreal spade
guys, sometimes i'm running out of rage
im doing something wrong?
fresh spire
This would have been arms if we had the beta version
If the ww reap change went through
100% would be doing this lol
balmy kindle
guys, sometimes i'm running out of rage
im doing something wrong?
you need a pocket shaman
fallen agate
guys, sometimes i'm running out of rage
im doing something wrong?
Have you tried stubbing your toe. I find that keeps me plenty angry.
soft peak
fallen agate
What Diff?
fierce thunder
I was never a big fan of post legion arms, but this slayer build is pretty fun to play
fallen agate
I love my Colossus Arms. Just wish the 5% size increase was more like 20% or 30% so its easy to spot the difference. I know its just cosmetic but just feels silly to be so small of a difference when your Demolish feels like such a good meaty hit.
wide apex
elixir of giants growth is there for y ou
fallen agate
Ya but you cant use it with a flask. I find it better to use Firewater Sorbet
uneven minnow
why is wowhead so addicted to taking intervene
wind flicker
Nice for movement
fallen agate
I enjoy having Intervene just use it to dash to someone to get out of a ground AoE.
untold pewter
Interpose is awesome
halcyon valve
it is
sacred zodiac
@latent moss slayer or col in pit
exotic horizon
<@692035495718551564> slayer or col in pit
some one will correct me but i saw most poeple play cloasus on everything and the most 2 dungeon that poeple would play slayer is sky and algathar . but dont take my word
sacred zodiac
some one will correct me but i saw most poeple play cloasus on everything and t...
is your name colossus arms warrior2
arctic junco
rude
sacred zodiac
(i think you are correct im just annoying regulars)
pale agate
do u guys play arms slayer or colossus in 20 MGT ?
rustic reef
slayer i guess ?
wind flicker
Basically always playingcollos unless its skyreach or algethar
pale agate
20 AA
thick kelp
rustic igloo
Hey, so question regarding Slayer in m+20 and up:
is it worth targeting lower mobs in aoe packs to excute from them to main targets with sweeping? Or is it better just to target main target with the normal rotation for funnel etc?
tacit crystal
@swift crown what was the name of the talent that gave you haste based on the hp of the targets current hp whenever you cast cs
i need help
swift crown
you mean iftk?
hasty pumice
20 AA
I'm pretty confident that minus pit that slayer is always better now with a way more well rounded damage profile
And I feel like Sims are bait when it comes to warrior specs
E.g. Thane simmed insane but performs much more averagely than slarms
You see most people swapped to arms now, I did as well and it feels overall great minus the survivability
It's super hard to soak e.g. the skyreach beams in +21/22
But you still have insane DPS with funnel, you have great prio damage and good aoe damage
The spec feels incredible for chaining
Smack prio target, keep on blasting
I'm excited to hopefully hit 4k Rio this week
paper gulch
did they make the voidcores 100% yet?
remote talon
did they make the voidcores 100% yet?
yes
cobalt lodge
So whats Arms like now in m+? Is Colossus still super bad on st/boss damage? And how bad is the slayer nerf to Arms, is it still playable in m+ or pretty meh now?
fresh spire
Slayer arms uprising after buffs. We got damage again
Not as much aoe but st is substantially better
daring flicker
you mean iftk?
Gambler
cobalt lodge
Slayer arms uprising after buffs. We got damage again
And colo? Is it still really bad on st? Big in packs but thats it, right?
minor gust
Yes
vagrant hull
I'm liking slayer. Though I find it odd how if I follow the guides I hit MS seeming not very often on AOE
vagrant hull
in AOE I feel like between cleaves either an SD proc or OP is always available
fresh spire
The removal of reap shot ms value for aoe. Colossus still gets colossal might stacks
Op good button
clever crag
Im still colo brained
minor gust
Or you can do whatever come is cooking
vagrant hull
Press op and exe and cleave and you will own
Yeah that's what I'm doing, just feels weird lol. Been playing arms so long and MS has always been the button I push
clever crag
Im still seeing ms as this huge button and look for demo stacks lmao
Slayer is much more chill
Just hit cs and press BS
elder walrus
how big is skyfury for arms? enjoying arms more than my ret right now but the spec still feels alot worse to play without a shaman, does anyone have the number?