me
#arms
thick kelp
elder sandal
do i upgrade any 6/6 myth weapon next week regardless of stats?
thick kelp
can u send ur string <@865605822638063647>
yeah sub to atrocity its his
minor gust
Atrocity UI 
left shard
guys on slayer mass exe build do we only MS when we have 2 stacks of EP and CS debuff ?
or do we do it on either of those two
stable fiber
do i upgrade any 6/6 myth weapon next week regardless of stats?
do u mean with the 298 weapon upgrade thingy
i would wait and see how the mechanics of that work
i dont think we even know how we get them
could be a weekly thing as well
elder sandal
could be a weekly thing as well
yeaah maybe
mint patio
guys im sorry for asking but i lost name of defstance addon
I just use the one that critcake has been using https://addons.wago.io/addons/defensive-stance-reminder
marble needle
I feel like i am flooded with rage as arms
Am I doing something wrong. Im pressing all the buttons according to wowhead
leaden garnet
I feel like i am flooded with rage as arms
This is normal for slayer
Or on AoE with the talent whose name I forget that gives rend a chance to generate rage
Colo is rage starved single target and Slayer is rage starved during exe phase if you get unlucky (you will get unlucky)
sacred zodiac
@reef glade mc eternal 2
reef glade
🔥
sacred zodiac
what kinda pack is it
reef glade
big one idk
couple hundred mods
a bit more like difficulty/world progression than normal
some bosses n shit
sacred zodiac
so tech or exploration
sacred zodiac
get that digiminer up bitch
rigid sapphire
Can I use Avatar separately from Ravager even if I have CS? For example, CS + Avatar or CS + Ravager?
dire hinge
Can I use Avatar separately from Ravager even if I have CS? For example, CS + Av...
correct yeah. For Arms, the big spell that everything else revolves around is your CS. Think of it like your checkpoint to spend your other major CDs.
You should only use (Avatar, Ravager, and Bladestorm) if CS is available, or is actively on your target already.
tacit crystal
@fresh spire blow up
leaden garnet
correct yeah. For Arms, the big spell that everything else revolves around is yo...
I'll add to this that you ONLY send Ravager at the start of your CS window when you can triple cleave
Because Ravager is really just a button that buffs cleave
dire hinge
yeah, i wish it'd just go away or get baked into Avatar/CS as a passive that drops a ravager. It's a genuinely annoying and useless button currently, and it desyncs constantly since it's not affected by AM
dire hinge
it's seen as the equivolent to Bladestorm so it's probably not going away, but man it's just a husk of a spell right now
leaden garnet
Imagine if it was changed to "Pressing CS drops a ravager for 6s that increases cleave damage by 30%"
Gorgeous
dire hinge
riiiight?
leaden garnet
Possibly overtuned, but gorgeous
dire hinge
shucks put it on avatar if they want it less frequently
prot already has it as a passive so it's not like it's some major shift in philosophy
left shard
guys on slayer mass exe build do we only MS when we have 2 stacks of EP and CS d...
can someone give me an answer to this?
i feel like im doing way less dmg than i schould
kinda feels weird these past couple of days
dire hinge
the 2x EP thing only comes into play for Single Target, during Execute phase
(and technically 2 target, since it's just Single Target + sweep)
left shard
but with CS or without?
dire hinge
CS doesn't matter for that condition
dire hinge
i know they're cooking some new APL changes, lemme see if my info is outdated
left shard
but idk how do you guys aproach a pull what i do when i dont have 3 stacks of bladestorm i charge CS into 3 cleave BS
thats what i usually do
when i dont have 3 stacks
dire hinge
ah yup there's a new condition for EP usage one sec lemme read this
i hate these complex strings, but basically it reads:
For Slayer during Execute phase (1-2 target) only use Mortal Strike if you have 2x EP stacks and one of the following is true:
- You have Martial Prowess (MP) talented
- If you don't have MP talented, wait for CS to be applied.
- If you have Battlelord talented, wait for CS to be applied.
The full line can be seen here:
actions.slayer_execute+=/mortal_strike,if=buff.executioners_precision.stack=2&(talent.martial_prowess|!talent.martial_prowess&debuff.colossus_smash.up)|debuff.colossus_smash.up&talent.battlelord
so if you have Martial Prowess talented, just send MS with 2x EP as soon as it's available.
If you untalent MP, you start worrying about CS's existence or not
ashen trout
oh neat, the build most ppl running has MP now so that's sick
oh wait diff talent
im dumb
dire hinge
hehe no worries
ashen trout
that's great info tho ty! 🙂
dire hinge
Raid definitely takes it which makes it easy
left shard
i hate these complex strings, but basically it reads:
> For Slayer during Execu...
so its like i said i need cs and 2 stacks of ep in execute phase for MS
dire hinge
IF you have Martial Prowess untalented yeah
dire hinge
Completely not considered at all in AoE
it's just a cherry on top if it happens to exist, just follow the normal AoE rotation
left shard
but if i can execute i always press execute instead of my normal rotation and then cleave if its up
in aoe that is
i legit ask like a third grader cuz i lost all my confidence
dire hinge
Hey no worries, we're here to help!
left shard
i was doing dmg like always but
these days im about 30-50 k difference in keys like slayer from other people
started when i did 19s
dire hinge
just know in AoE the presence of Executioner's Precision is not considered at all
if you have a specific target you're trying to burn down within a large pack, then yeah follow your single-target/sweep rotation instead 🙂
left shard
y
will do that
maybe thats just me
and i overthink everything but really lost my confidence there today in the 19s cuz i was so far behind in overall dps
short crescent
I feel like that all the time with arms currently
dire hinge
super okay! Slayer admittedly isn't my forte as a Colossus player, but we got tons of folks who can help with questions
#arms is really supportive as a channel
short crescent
Colo feels weird, slayer feels a bit better but I'm not sure what to be pressing
I know the Wowhead rotation, but it seems a lot of changes not reflected on there yet
left shard
appreciate it guys
dire hinge
always!
dire hinge
I know the Wowhead rotation, but it seems a lot of changes not reflected on ther...
we also simplfy the rotation for WoWhead because the nuanced things like "martial prowess talented or not and battlelord or not" can cause a lot more overthinking than necessary. We often omit unnecessary complexity for the sake of "pretty dang close", and it helps most people much much more.
but the APL (simcraft rotation) is always available on Github if you want the complex version
short crescent
Yeah, makes sense, but I feel like when I am pressing my buttons and feeling like I should be doing huge dmg (first pulls of M+) I like glance up and see I'm only doing like 190k
which seems low for 276 ilvl
dire hinge
arms is one of the few specs that has more buttons in Midnight than TWW despite the "focus on simplifying people's rotation" from blizzard so 
god, what was that cursed line that Fish just posted
yeah this one:
if=buff.executioners_precision.stack=2&
(
talent.martial_prowess&
debuff.colossus_smash.up&talent.opportunist|
talent.martial_prowess&talent.fierce_followthrough|
!talent.martial_prowess&
debuff.colossus_smash.up|
dot.rend_dot.remains<2
)|
debuff.colossus_smash.up&talent.battlelord```
nova marsh
arms is one of the few specs that has more buttons in Midnight than TWW despite ...
I think arms is oddly about the same
dire hinge
This is fine
dire hinge
I think arms is oddly about the same
it is, we lost Roar, but gained multiple utilty spells (pierce, throw, etc)
dire hinge
yeee all bindings all the time 
nova marsh
It is the way
nova marsh
I think the only thing I rebound
Is throws
Also hroth ngl
I just unbind charge for fishing
And remeber to swap when done
dire hinge
you can probably make that a macro conditional using target @exists
though, i know a lot of folks bind Charge/Victory Rush together since they compliment each other.
one can only be cast at range
one can only be cast in melee
left shard
i have victory rush on a single button always
but i struggle if i schould bind my pot or not
nova marsh
I could
left shard
like in a macro
dire hinge
both pots are good for macros 
(health/primary-stat)
i've got mine as:
- basic press = trinket(s)
- control modifier = mainstat pot
latent moss
tbh
as arms
just make sure youre pressing something
like as long as ure cleaving on cd on aoe
u will do damage
minor gust
arms really is dont think just feel just press buttons
dire hinge
The big thing people overthink is that, the further down the rotation list you get the less important it is.
latent moss
yep
dire hinge
if you ace the first like 5 lines and mess up the rest you'll do fine*
minor gust
like peolpe perma ask about op vs exe
uhm ahktually I only play and do whats best so you have to tell me what is the best thing to do in every scenario
doesnt mythic raid is working on 16 resils
dire hinge
uhm ahktually I only play and do whats best so you have to tell me what is the b...
In single target as Slayer if i have 2 targets and 3x collat stacks should i press whirlwind if cleave isn't talented ((im forgetting to maintain rend and haven't pressed Avatar the entire fight yet))
wind hatch
Hi critcake I have 1000 crit 800 haste 400 mastery and 67 vers do I need different stats?
dire hinge
overpower at 57 rage or exe or rend?
🔮
minor gust
dire hinge
follow your heart (if you deal less damage you need to work on yourself as a person /s)
minor gust
this was relevant again for a brief moment
onyx rapids
guys im sorry for asking but i lost name of defstance addon
guys!
for arms
the source of rage is auto attack right?! is there anything else?
halcyon valve
Charge
Bleeds with bloodsurge
And a few refund "sources" (critical thinking refunding rage spent on execute, that other talent refunding rage from mortal strike, and Battlelord making mortal strike cost less)
dire hinge
She’s just like me fr
torpid jackal
How good is rend as a global
stable fiber
How good is rend as a global
its pretty decent
its value goes up alot on pulls like 1st pull AA
cause then the push itself actually does decent damage
stable sapphire
I love pressing rend
surreal spade
leaden garnet
in the mega AoE dungeon are you the AoE spec or no?
Sometimes You Just Need To Follow Your Heart
tranquil swift
I wanted to try arms (fury now) but my stats are 21 crit, 24 haste, 40 mastery. Are those stats cooked for arms?
leaden garnet
Speaking of cursed AoE tech, is pressing Rend in AoE a DPS gain over using Slam as a filler in between Cleave casts?
leaden garnet
Since Rend maintains the buff, does more direct damage than SS'd Slam, but can't proc HS
What target number does Rend overtake? 4?
stable fiber
probably somewhere around 6-8
leaden garnet
I wanted to try arms (fury now) but my stats are 21 crit, 24 haste, 40 mastery. ...
Why is your haste so low for fury la
tranquil swift
Currently a work in progress haha
leaden garnet
You should be fine, just less damage
tranquil swift
How much less damage we talkin lmao
leaden garnet
Colo will suffer more because it cares more about crit rate for CM stacks
You'd have to Sim it
tranquil swift
Maybe I’ll try slayer arms
leaden garnet
Arms isn't really a one or the other situation
You need to play both
Or play fury for the dungeons where Colo is bad
Like, three of four warrior specs are just fine, and Colo arms is the only abusively strong thing we have going atm
tranquil swift
What’s the bad spec
stable fiber
id argue more then fine on all 4 of them
tranquil swift
Yeah currently in thane fury now thought about trying something new
sharp tide
people funnel with colo on singletarget
leaden garnet
Very few specs can compete on overall
sharp tide
its not that fun in low keys or pugs tho
leaden garnet
Yeah Colo with funnel is fine ST
tranquil swift
Thane st isn’t that good either so nothing new for me lol
sharp tide
yeah had some fun nexus amp bosses with that and slayer procs 
sharp socket
is it possible to add a tick to rage bar wtih the sensei resource bar
it says it can in description but i cant find the option for it
or anyone know how to
stable fiber
is it possible to add a tick to rage bar wtih the sensei resource bar
what do you mean by tick?
like the stuff that people do with mana?
sharp socket
uhh just like a mark/tick on the bar for certain rage points
stable fiber
oh ic
sharp socket
prob cant on the sensei one now that im looking at it more
stable fiber
i mean i dont think its very relevant on arms anyways, more so on fury cause of rampage
but i have no idea what the sensei resource bar is anyways
gg
proper moth
do we use cleave on 2 target as colo?
slate sun
As filler and during ravager
latent moss
Yeah Colo with funnel is fine ST
its like top 2 st with funnel
only behind slarms
xd
minor gust
fleet rover
If I'm still deciding if I want to play more fury or arms, do i put berserker on wep?
minor gust
flip a coin
leaden garnet
If I'm still deciding if I want to play more fury or arms, do i put berserker on...
Arms still really likes haste
fleet rover
Yeah, I just saw the bis ench for arms is acuity, and bis for fury is arcane
leaden garnet
Slayer arms is haste>crit, Colo is haste >= crit
fleet rover
but both like the berserker
leaden garnet
I don't think Acuity is BiS anymore
latent moss
Slayer arms is haste>crit, Colo is haste >= crit
not for me
slayer is crit=haste and colo is crit>haste
colo always loved crit
leaden garnet
You must have obscene haste then
leaden garnet
^^
fleet rover
yea, i will once i pick a spec to focus on. i think i'll just grab haste for now, ty
i really like both, i wish fury had better sfx, and i wish arms didnt have rend
minor gust
fdk fucks in ST
minor gust
ppl sleeping on fdk because everyone cares about UHDK
minor gust
classic
latent moss
from the wr 10000 to the wr5
rare kite
ppl sleeping on fdk because everyone cares about UHDK
was like that tww s1 as well just opposite. people were sleeping on uhdk then boom unholy s2 meta
minor gust
classic dk players cry bloody merry when the best spec gets nerfed and cry other spec is unplayable meanwhile its also really good
latent moss
classic
muh raid buff
every relevant boss requires 2
W design
just give them a 2% haste raid buff
and remove grip
or i guess 5% or w/e less magic damage taken would be more
thematic
silk lake
has arms actually become good or am i being gaslit
latent moss
its very good in m+
silk lake
what about raiding
noble sphinx
which dungeons am I supposed to use slayer on versus colo?
stable fiber
spec owns
minor gust
trying slayer on dragons
you goin the build I tried or cooking something else?
minor gust
variation of the M+ build
yeah that
I took mass execution but that was stupid and I regret that after a 2nd look
quartz haven
guys what's the best hero tree atm for m+, i've seen both doing good
tepid hull
guys what's the best hero tree atm for m+, i've seen both doing good
Preference
quartz haven
colossus is more aoe and less st right, then slayer seems better for prio/st ? or am i wrong
kinda new to warrior tbh
minor gust
kinda new to warrior tbh
if you are new dont worry about that right now just pick one and start learning. Both are very good right now so prio fun
stable fiber
@minor gust do you think its opportunist on paladins
minor gust
FF surely better still pressing a fair bit of MS since it goes from 3-2 targets frequently
fading vine
I tried critcake's slayer build last night in a few low m+ with fury gear it feels really fun what the fuck
minor gust
nova marsh
Hello mr bozo who is on ice
minor gust
Good ol Squish about to do the 5 bear strat
latent basin
when are we getting another craft?
ashen arrow
when are we getting another craft?
should be able to craft another item on tomorrow's reset.
latent basin
do we get 1 spark each reset?
ashen arrow
do we get 1 spark each reset?
correct.
latent basin
thanks 🙂
wheat birch
On mythic paladin do you cleave when only 2 of them are together or nah just ms, slam and heroic until the 3rd comes back
wind hatch
cleave can be used as filler in 2 targets over slam if you have 3 collateral damage stacks but thats it
otherwise dont press it
leaden garnet
What are crafts even useful for after the cloak and the bracers?
hybrid needle
Biggest itemlevel upgrade or lowest secondary stats m, belts boots hands
minor gust
Not really a reason to craft gear past embellishments unless you are just getting like no gear because you don't raid or something
100 myth crests for a craft is pricey
dim basalt
80
polar bramble
If i got access to 289 in every slot, do i prioritize those 289 items or do we prioritize embellishments over ilvl?
slow saddle
i mean NGL
Crafting 80 seems like to much
later in seasons
should be discount tbh if u had HC item allready mby? i dno
rose matrix
Is there any secret way to grind myth crests quickly or is it still just spamming dungeons
Trying to get some on my alt
dark onyx
If i got access to 289 in every slot, do i prioritize those 289 items or do we p...
Could sim your 289s against crafted 285 and find out
balmy cipher
Is there any secret way to grind myth crests quickly or is it still just spammin...
Nullaeus in hard mode - 35 weekly myth crest off the cap
Cracked keystone - first T11 delve you do drops a cracked keystone, if you complete a +2 or more mythic dungeon you get 20 myth crests
Tier 11 delves with renown in delve journey: 5 myth crests per T11 delve you complete, capped at 20 weekly
With these you should get ~55 easy myth crests with no dungeons. If you do dungeons, 135 weekly.
First time alt: easy 75 myth crests, just get some friends to help you through a +10 so you have vault and the remaining myth crests
pallid jungle
i have a question if i been prolonging the CS duration in a pull wich time left on the debuff its the best to cast BS without losing the apmplified damage from CS
solar mural
hey there, I have a question about arms, sometimes especially in execute phase, I get rage starved like I sit at zero with spells ready to cast like mortal and stuff. Is it okay to not cast a spell for like 2 seconds while playing arms? Cause the always be casting thing is bugging me about this.
slow saddle
i have a question if i been prolonging the CS duration in a pull wich time lef...
so doesnt matter
u can do it on pull or u can do it after cleave party
candid garden
What are some insanely good spell reflects this season? So far I've found pyroblast MT, doombolt POS, banshee boss Windrunner (bugs her out so she dont spawn ghost no more), last boss algethar (doesnt spawn orb spawning thingie)
brave silo
What are some insanely good spell reflects this season? So far I've found pyrobl...
theres some tech with last 2 bosses on seat
biz has a video on it
although they're pretty involved
and not something you'd wanna be doing in a pug
summer shore
anyone playing battlelord on slarms
slow saddle
No
nova marsh
If you aren't rage starved without a shaman are you even playing arms
atomic mist
Slayer warr getting a change this week?
Improvements to Imminent Demise, removing the requirement for Sudden Death to trigger Reap the Storm.
tacit crystal
Improvements to Imminent Demise, removing the requirement for Sudden Death to tr...
where did you see this
hasty pumice
No, we're in a good spot now
tacit crystal
zzzz
atomic mist
I legit googled it
hasty pumice
Link it then
atomic mist
And it’s under the ai response
tacit crystal
oh dear
hasty pumice
dim basalt
hasty pumice
Brother
pale agate
IKEK
hasty pumice
Your lesson to not take AI Google responses for granted
pale agate
guys, u know for slayer arms in ST u dont press MS unless 2 stacks of EP + CS, do you also do this for aoe ? like if the pack is dying ?? or at that point just focus on cleave/ SD / OP ?
tacit crystal
yes thats also in aoe but in execute
pale agate
yeah thats what i thought
kinda tough to do that mentally !
but i will practice
but at that point, how strong i that MS ??
or for example, lets say its pure ST, ok we can press MS 2 stacks of EP + CS, do u press MS over OP ?? over SD ??
obviously probably not over HS ?
its a lot AAAA
tacit crystal
its really ms on cd before execute
velvet vessel
IMO you spend the MS with 2xEP right away in CS then proceed with Execute OP spam (with HS)
misty bridge
HS > MS with 2xEP tho
pale agate
oh ok
in execute phase
ok
well if its kinda that black and white that would be cool @misty bridge
dim basalt
Rotation is a bit weird because they buffed everything but MS
pale agate
i kinow its FKING dumb, i love pressing MS : ( especially if ur colossus main, we are so used to pressing MS but if u r trying slayer, kinda sucks, its low prio
dim basalt
For Slayer its actually helpful atm because if we did always press MS a lot the rage issues would be even worse
In raid I run out of rage more often than I want to
pale agate
okay, yes i do struggle a bit w rage rn practicing slayer arms
pale agate
HS > MS with 2xEP tho
when u said this, is it PLUS CS UP? or just two stacks EP
biz says both conditions, 2 STACKS AND CS UP
misty bridge
ye both
acoustic mortar
ye with CS only
minor gust
Slarms is a feely vibe spec just press your buttons that feel right in that situation
tacit crystal
Slarms is a feely vibe spec just press your buttons that feel right in that situ...
im not convinced pit is a slayer key
minor gust
Every key is a slayer key because Colo is unfun to play
tacit crystal
bla bla blah
first pull just feels horrible when you pull 20 mobs
and you dont have your shit prestacked
minor gust
First pulls sucks for arms live with it. Your strength is you do the same dmg every pull
minor gust
Is it not radio something anymore
tacit crystal
PLEASE REWORK ARMS
slow saddle
Rotation is a bit weird because they buffed everything but MS
buff ms 15%
we still sim lower than fury
bring us up to fury 😄
leaden garnet
What are crafts even useful for after the cloak and the bracers?
Following up on this, if I already have fairly regular access to myth track items, is spending myth crests on 285 crafting just pissing away crests?
misty bridge
tacit crystal
Following up on this, if I already have fairly regular access to myth track item...
yeah but also crests are surely a joke in like 2 weeks
leaden garnet
iirc I need four more weeks of crests to cap out
slow saddle
yeah but also crests are surely a joke in like 2 weeks
no ?
unique aspen
Is intervene redirecting threat to me? I used it and died instantly
slow saddle
minor gust
Read what intervene does lmao
tacit crystal
and have full myth gear
warped ether
u cooked m8, even with dbts u can get shot
You could save tank if you are smart with it
If you dbts and then intervene
minor gust
Rare outdated tech
minor gust
Lots of tank busters aren't just something you can lol Parry these days
elfin kindle
Is cleave or execute prio on a priority mob like algethar academy tree boss- as slayer
Id assume cleave unless sd proc?
fresh spire
plush grove
Is tab-targeting for a execute mob higher prio than MS? In a recent critcake 21 he seems to be prioritizing Execute just below cleave in AoE when theres a low target
minor gust
<:Arms:592471950278787080>
stable fiber
Is tab-targeting for a execute mob higher prio than MS? In a recent critcake 21 ...
i do this in 2t
tropic crest
Slarms use bladestorm also outside of CS window?
thick kelp
i do this in 2t
Mouseover noober
stable fiber
Mouseover noober
i guess this works cause of how sweep works
ehh not really
unless you try to game sweep super hard
daring heron
it's usually easy enough to make sure the sweeped exe hit your main targets
main target just needs to be closest to you
dim basalt
main target just needs to be closest to you
What happens if youre hitting 2 adds next to a boss with a big hitbox and youre close to the 2nd add?
Ive always wondered
dim basalt
stable fiber
Im guessing paladins
i tried it
stable fiber
awful
dont do it
i need a good paladins parse
it feels like im literally never hitting 3 bosses though idk
critcakes log has 20 more cleaves then me and its a min shorter kill time...
something is seriously wrong with our boss stacking
ok nvm i just only cleave when i can hit 3 bosses and he is just perma using it as a filler over slam probably
elfin kindle
i usually just stand directly under if i can
So on 1st boss pit ud execute on an add?
carmine cedar
For simming for m+ should I do 5 targets 5 min or dungeon slice? Thanks!
silk lake
What happened to arms to make it better.
minor gust
buffs
silk lake
For simming for m+ should I do 5 targets 5 min or dungeon slice? Thanks!
Also would you like to sign my petition.
What got buffed
silk lake
is it still colossus or has slayer taken it now?
silk lake
i might try slayer then.
slow saddle
something is seriously wrong with our boss stacking
same
its also SUPER
important
when u get cds up i feel like
some pulls i can manage to get my cs up at just the correct time and get 3 x cleaves insta
hasty pumice
is it still colossus or has slayer taken it now?
I feel like it's mostly slayer now just because your prio damage is still disgusting and your boss damage is great even without funnel and disgusting with funnel
Your AOE isn't as op anymore but often it's about killing the prio target to enable more stuff
slow saddle
I feel like it's mostly slayer now just because your prio damage is still disgus...
yeah this is 100% my feels as well
only POS feels like a 100%
collosus angle
hasty pumice
Yeah cause the entire packs need to die
But even then I don't think it's a big diff
My best in MC21 was ~250k DPS
Outside of that I feel like I'm a bit behind cause losing uptime completely kills your DPS super easily
Like nexus left side my DPS feels bad af
I'm struggling with the new slayer rotation a bit and idk why
It's not that hard
But the flow throws me off sometimes. The sweep timing is a bit weird due to bladestorm
minor gust
stop thinking so hard and press buttons
hasty pumice
minor gust
its really just press cleave on CD and press op or exe
dont need to overcomplicate it more than that
hasty pumice
its really just press cleave on CD and press op or exe
Yeah but pulls become hectic AF in 21s depending on the dungeon
With a shit ton of moving around and mobs not being stacked perfectly on top of another
It becomes a lot more hectic when everything one shots you upon making a mistake
hasty pumice
Ye I feel like my biggest DPS loss is from positioning, cause my mind goes into nervous mode on push keys still
Cause whenever I do a key I've already timed
I play infinitely better
Lol
minor gust
yee always how its gonna go for arms at least with slayer a lot of that positioning is mitigated by things like reap and BS
hasty pumice
Also using my bladestorm cd badly is a bit of a DPS drop as well
fresh spire
hasty pumice
I can't use it like demolish
fresh spire
Pay my sub too wtf
minor gust
yee you gotta be a little smart with BS
fresh spire
2button rotation type shit
minor gust
I will hold it for next pack a lot of the times if im not gonna have like 10-15 seconds to beat on mobs after BS to get cdr
hasty pumice
I could piss chill with fury slayer
fresh spire
hasty pumice
Based
fresh spire
2 nerfs back to back Is great
hasty pumice
"omg bear is good ONCE and it's getting insta nerfs"
fresh spire
Oh you have another build. How about now
hasty pumice
Bro it's broken
fresh spire
Shouldn't have timed that x5 20
deft bluff
I do love how GDruid went “ez +20 timed” and got a nerf
fresh spire
hasty pumice
Shouldn't have timed that x5 20
Yeah or not being part of every +23 key
And most +22s
fresh spire
It was still busted after first nerf.
deft bluff
They actually looked at Bliz and said “nerf me”
hasty pumice
fresh spire
Needed to be shot a bit
deft bluff
Did gdruid take over from brew?
hasty pumice
Idk how much of a DPS loss the thrash nerf is
hasty pumice
Did gdruid take over from brew?
Oh 100%
hasty pumice
Druid is able to do pulls rn that brew can't because of being a fourth DPS
minor gust
things likely change again with tank buffs tomorrow
hasty pumice
It's not about the tankiness per say
It's also that they allow disgusting pulls due to insane DPS windows
Especially first pulls
Just saves a ton of time
My druid in academy 21 after veximus was at 190k overall
deft bluff
In AA i just focus on killing a plant vus the AOe is so hard to hit as arms
deft bluff
It sucks cus my dos can be double if i just pad for aoe
deft bluff
But tanks die if i do it and then they get mad my dps is low when i solo a plant
hasty pumice
Wthelly my druid has similar overall to my dps
minor gust
look im all for tanks being able to do dmg just gotta make it so all tanks do dmg like that xD
hasty pumice
I think tanks should be like 50-70% of a DPS
minor gust
70% min for me. idk how else you get someone to play that role otherwise
deft bluff
Tank + Healer = 1 dps, is healthy i think
So a high Dps healer (disc/pal) and a low dps tank (uh… dh?) could still do as much as a dps
I liked the shadowlands seasons where thatw as the case
HPal + Pwar was so much fun
dim basalt
"omg bear is good ONCE and it's getting insta nerfs"
tbf tank balancing is really dog this season
silk lake
i dont think i vibe with slayer, but in like st stuff i can use it.
but for just rushing 10's for vault ill use colossus
cause holy crap cleave damage is insane.
fresh spire
tbf tank balancing is really dog this season
Paladin has just had such a bad tier in comparison to everything else at the start
Like 3rd buff to survival this week lol
elder patrol
Hi ! I didnt logs yesterday but i did 215k overall as slarms (when second dps was at 203k in détails)
MT 20 : good or not ?
(I had never played slarms in m+ before)
dim basalt
pretty good ye
weak wave
Grrr druid is good for once and bliz insta nerfs????
good is a little understated as 5 druid tanks timed a 20.
hasty pumice
*good* is a little understated as 5 druid tanks timed a 20.
It's fun that people get hung up on that and not that druid is part of a ton of the +22 / +23 keys with insane performance
bright marsh
Druid still gonna be strong. The amount of damage thrash was doing was insane. 25% won't be too huge
leaden garnet
Hi ! I didnt logs yesterday but i did 215k overall as slarms (when second dps wa...
WCL -> Mythic+ Season 1 -> Magister's Terrace -> Rankings -> Keystone Level 20 -> Arms Warriors -> Damage. If you actually did 215k overall then you'd tie for third place among all arms warriors
sacred zodiac
WCL -> Mythic+ Season 1 -> Magister's Terrace -> Rankings -> Keystone Level 20 -...
logs should be a lot lower since they consider downtime
leaden garnet
True, but even with downtime if we liberally assume -10% damage that's still easily top 10 recorded as slayer
left talon
Also -aug dps
elder patrol
logs should be a lot lower since they consider downtime
Ye it was on détails
solar mural
are u rly pressing execute enough
I am pressing but sometimes I can't cast anytyhing and I have spells ready. Is that okay?
Like I have around 30 rage and all of my spells are on CD, I press execute and I have to sit for 2-3 globals till I get the rage back to cast mortal or something.
Should I not execute on that 30 rage mark that I said and wait there or I should go starved after using the execute
slow saddle
Like I have around 30 rage and all of my spells are on CD, I press execute and I...
Ngl charge weave
vernal flame
what hero spec do we like for windrunner spire?
clever crag
Ae start collecting demo stacks pre lust pull and then remember they’re slayer ? Lmaoo
solar mural
Ngl charge weave
I can't waste a leap to get out and charge in you joking right? :))
astral yarrow
i hate it i hate it i hate it i hate it i hate it i hate it i hate it i hate it i hate it i hate it i hate it i hate it i hate it i hate it i hate it
astral yarrow
reeeeeeeeeeee
sacred zodiac
parses are kind of insanely fake with the weird adds everywhere
rustic reef
Ye
sacred zodiac
just filter by bossdmg
astral yarrow
go down first and hold bladestorm
or spec colossus and have everyone else kill big add
rustic reef
I meant boss dps
fresh spire
just filter by bossdmg
Winning on boss damage while not trolling is Chad play
rustic reef
fresh spire
Let the guild pad adds. Kill boss >:)
rustic reef
I need the chimarius parse so bad
sacred zodiac
Whats the tech my dmg sucks there
hit the boss
idk what else u wanna hear if you want a boss dmg parse you just st the boss lol
sweep some executes onto the boss if the add gets close
simple lintel
Is it fair to go by DamageToBosses? Felt bad about my first Mythic kills. But when flipping to DamageToBosses its not terrible.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/bloodfeather/marlon
fresh spire
Nearly all early bosses legit to 100 log you need to pad
fiery inlet
why is this a thing this season
fucking annoying
like on nexus king u hear rl call "just kill boss" into seeing everybody go blast small orbs to oblivion for whatever reason
dim basalt
why is this a thing this season
Because we got actual aoe in raid now
slender willow
So I see the m+ build for slayer now uses oppotunist, does that change anything related to the rotation ?
molten horizon
So I see the m+ build for slayer now uses oppotunist, does that change anything ...
in aoe OP > MS
Cleave > SD > OP
Without martial prowess you DON'T mortal strike in execute unless Colossus smash is up and 2x Executioner's Precision
slender willow
Awesome thanks
deft bluff
i hope that MS gets some kind of buff, it feels so weird to leave it off cd
gray herald
like on nexus king u hear rl call "just kill boss" into seeing everybody go blas...
because if those die they count for the log
veeery smart gameplay
autumn nexus
Its weird that MS is useless xD
desert panther
Its weird that MS is useless xD
Mediocre Strike
desert panther
Slap
desert panther
slow saddle
Mby a hack attack
unreal mountain
When Boss Hits 35 % we allways go 2 exe > mortal or we spam only exe ?
slow saddle
When Boss Hits 35 % we allways go 2 exe > mortal or we spam only exe ?
Is cs up?
If yes u ms at 2 ep y
unreal mountain
If Not ?
slow saddle
If. No op + exe
fresh spire
If you don't have fierce follow through the modifiers that made ms stronger is missing.
Using it during Cs extends cs
Fierce follow through or martial prowess*
astral bolt
Is there a max# of targets in which you prio Hero Strike over Cleave in AoE? Like say you'd prefer Hero Strike on 3-4 targets intstead of cleave bcs it's a heavy hitter
2 I get it cause it can't proc
dim basalt
Is there a max# of targets in which you prio Hero Strike over Cleave in AoE? Lik...
You straight up never press HS in aoe
No reason to
unborn crystal
When you are playing cleave you are also playing fervor of battle, so your cleaves auto cast your heroic strike
On 3+ targets
hard rock
Anyone know how to add an execute range marker to nameplates with platynator ? Using jundies
astral bolt
When you are playing cleave you are also playing fervor of battle, so your cleav...
Yea but isn't it done 50% of it's dmg too?
Or it gets canceled
autumn nexus
I find it endlessly tiresome how much compelxity there is to arms to still deal mediocre damage on bosses, AoE seems fine, insane even
lofty breach
Hey guys wanted to ask u gonna play colossus 2morrow that is fortified?
astral bolt
But then if you have sweeping strikes: you cleave goes to another target, does the heroic strike apply to that one too? And does your heroic strike hit another target and it propagates because of sweeping
autumn nexus
I just thikn its stupid that mortal strike has so many caveats behind being used
dim basalt
But then if you have sweeping strikes: you cleave goes to another target, does t...
You only get the buff once but it cleaves a 2nd target ye
dim basalt
Read a guide if youre asking that genuinely
astral bolt
You only get the buff once but it cleaves a 2nd target ye
But does the heroic apply to that one too or gets consumed on the focused target
dim basalt
But does the heroic apply to that one too or gets consumed on the focused target
HS does not apply anything?
You get a buff from using it
autumn nexus
I think that's what he meant
astral bolt
I mean not apply, strike
dim basalt
It strikes a 2nd target as I said
astral bolt
That's kinda crazy
dim basalt
ye
Essentially 1.8k % AP for free
On top of cleave damage
Even more as colossus due the 20% Slam mod
astral bolt
Okk another thing. If you cleave your one target in AoE and does dmg in a cone I assume, what happens to the other target getting hit. Is the cone in front of you or..?
autumn nexus
I just wish they rebalance Warrior so its good at both, I play with arms wars that do insane aoe, but on st its a strugglebus, and at my 17s we dont do MDI pulls where you do boss + fifteen packs for funnel
dim basalt
Okk another thing. If you cleave your one target in AoE and does dmg in a cone I...
Its like a 160° cone in front of you
astral bolt
Okk so double cone
autumn nexus
Remember when cleave used to be on next autoattack
primal kettle
whats causeing arms to have good funnel?
autumn nexus
How far we've come
primal kettle
like whats the interaction
astral bolt
Cleave is just a frontal
But what happens to the 2nd target getting hit by sweeping strikes?
astral bolt
Oh wth
dim basalt
Its only ST abilities that can be swept
autumn nexus
Single target abilitie sweep
astral bolt
Wtf
real mortar
whats causeing arms to have good funnel?
Theres a couple talents that increase damage per target hit as well as cleave extending CS at 3+ targets. For colossus you get CD on demolish as well
astral bolt
If they only made this 1 single change to make cleave on sweeping
dim basalt
No reason to do that
astral bolt
🤣
autumn nexus
Vanilla had sweeping strikes on Whirlwind
astral bolt
Trying to watch how tf Shaihuloot got 260k dps on PoS
autumn nexus
I remember 1shotting mail users if all the sweeps went into the mail user or even plate on a 4-5 target ww
primal kettle
Theres a couple talents that increase damage per target hit as well as cleave ex...
so you hit more targets and get more single target ye?
autumn nexus
yes
real mortar
Yep
autumn nexus
thats what funnel means
primal kettle
oh cause lots of people dont know what it means and explained it very differently
autumn nexus
Well, lots of people are wrong 😛
More targets = more damage isnt funnel
That's just aoe
astral bolt
Usually you just want like 2 targets in 1 boss fight no? Or at least 1 more
autumn nexus
Just like MM, with rapid fire bullseye stacks or whatever its called, it has a cap of 20, gets 10 per mob, so 1 mob gives 10, 2 mobs gives 20, now you are attacking more enemies, but cos you get 20 stacks vs 10, your aimed shot is significantly boosted, resulting in your single target / prio target damage going UP, versus just having one target
Depends on the class
BM hunter with dark ranger has a chance per bleed tick to spawn a dark hound
dim basalt
Usually you just want like 2 targets in 1 boss fight no? Or at least 1 more
3 is good, 5 is optimal
autumn nexus
so 2 mobs is worse than sayt, 10 mobs bleeding
astral bolt
3 is good, 5 is optimal
Oh sht yea that cleave talent
lucid apex
Is there a place where I can be pointed to for what dungeons to run Slayer vs Colossus ? I know biz said that Slayer is good in algathar and or even nexus point. If there is a place in a guide I must have missed it.
dim basalt
Is there a place where I can be pointed to for what dungeons to run Slayer vs Co...
You can play both everywhere
autumn nexus
I think the diference is play what you prefer
dim basalt
And you should stick to what you enjoy more really
autumn nexus
its not a you suck on X
I benhed my war cos I suck ass on ST, Im just hoping blizz rebalances it a bit one day
dim basalt
Colossus ST is not as bad as many make it out to be
autumn nexus
I dunno how good or bad it is, I mostly suck seems to be the problem, I need to try again after the changes
I seem to suck at a solid 40-60k on st
I feel like I want/have to do 70+ on st bosses else idk
I dont think 40-50 is enough for 15+ keys where I like playing
astral bolt
If you still bring like 4 targets in Boss do you kinda prio Mortal Strike over Cleave? So you make more demolish be4 adds die or just send cleave for the insane dmg?
autumn nexus
even 60 is lowend
fallow notch
how much haste would you suggest an Slayer arms?
sacred zodiac
as much as your sim tells you to equip
fallow notch
as much as your sim tells you to equip
Yes sure, but maybe is there an % were you can say "thats an great start"?
fallow notch
mh ok ^^
autumn nexus
is col or slayuer better currently btw
sacred zodiac
what do you wanna know
dim basalt
marble needle
For colossus are we using demolish at 5 stacks?
astral bolt
what do you wanna know
I played Fury for a long time ish. It's some prios on 35% health depending on mob count etc it's a lot of inputs and hard to calculate on spot
Changed to slayer fury but figured out it's easier to grind to 22 pugs with arms so
Arms also like 50 more defensives and DR and a LOT more consistent
Fury Slayer is op as fck only if you're lucky enough
sacred zodiac
fury should be tankier but ye arms is probably just better
dim basalt
Col Arms is very close to Fury tankiness but still not as tanky
astral bolt
Only fury in top 100 is Yuki and Noxiv
sacred zodiac
click the funny stance mastery button
autumn nexus
is reap for slayer not screwed anymore btw?
astral bolt
10% is almost nothing but yea
sacred zodiac
is reap for slayer not screwed anymore btw?
what do you mean
astral bolt
Plus you get heal from rend and second wind talent actually is good
crisp crane
heared about ppl spam execute rather than spending 2 executioneer stacks with ms?
sacred zodiac
if you think this design change is "screwed" then yes its still screwed
astral bolt
I saw Critcake do 267k in Maisara Slayer Arms
sacred zodiac
imo it feels a lot better than before
astral bolt
I have no idea what's going on
real mortar
If you just care about it doing dam then its p good its a significant part of our aoe as slayer
flat willow
On maisara caverns, is the tech to go slayer and full execute on the immortal skeletons on the second boss
And just sweeping strike that boss
autumn nexus
I cant decide if i wanna col or slayer :<
sacred zodiac
do whichever you feel like
real mortar
On maisara caverns, is the tech to go slayer and full execute on the immortal sk...
Thats the play as either colo or slayer. Ive generally seen people prefer colo in maisara but like slayer is still good enough and funnel good
Edit i realize now you meant actually just target execute the adds lol. Probably not that. Just prio boss and funnel
weak rain
RAGE BUFFS WHEN REEEEEE
weak rain
The only thing thats bad and good at the same time with reap not being on MS is that sometimes your overwhelmed buff drops
tbh they ened to rework that overwhelmed talent
its bad
(same with lame double col might on crit talent and +10% crit dmg for colossus)
give colossus back col might on execute and give talent that makes execute apply 200% strong DW on the target(bug that was fixed, feel like it would fit colossus and would make execute more worth)
misty bridge
Delete ravager when
autumn nexus
ravager is grteat cos of dmg but also shit imo xd
cedar cairn
It feels so weird sending MS so little now
sage steeple
anyone got tmw string to track heroic strike proc?
deft bluff
Delete ravager when
When do we get the ravager talent that procs random ravagers but for bladestorm
slow saddle
just let avatar do what ever it is rav does now
mbg
and done
Imma miss good rav, but this rav can stay tbh
granite night
rose shuttle
Thats the play as either colo or slayer. Ive generally seen people prefer colo i...
You execute adds via mouseover or focus while hitting boss with OPs and rest. Effectively full fight execute phase, that's funneling
real mortar
You execute adds via mouseover or focus while hitting boss with OPs and rest. Ef...
Does sweeping strikes smart target the boss? Because if it ever doesnt hit the boss then that sounds bad
sacred zodiac
Does sweeping strikes smart target the boss? Because if it ever doesnt hit the b...
no you gotta position for it
rose shuttle
i believe it is closest
sacred zodiac
council of blood anyone
thick kelp
the 2nd target is chosen by whichever you are closest to
real mortar
Yea ima pass on doing that but i guess consistently doable if you want
dim basalt
col is not necessarily better than Slayer in caverns anyway
real mortar
Also requires powerful momentum over mass exe but I think thats p reasonable.
And yea ive just heard most people say maisara is a good colo dungeon. Not tryna claim its definitely better
sudden owl
I asked Gemini how to fix the issues with Arms warrior in 12.0.5 patch midnight, and it said it would increase the cost of execute and the damage of execute
I have identified our class designer
dim basalt
Also requires powerful momentum over mass exe but I think thats p reasonable.
...
As Slayer you dont pick mass exe anyway
autumn nexus
havent played my war in a few weeks
tf do I do with this vault
shit gloves, shit weapon
rose shuttle
opened logs @ MC slayer arms
1st place ME
2nd - PM
so its not that different
vagrant hull
I asked Gemini how to fix the issues with Arms warrior in 12.0.5 patch midnight,...
I asked Claude and it roasted Blizz but came up with some ok ideas.
vagrant hull
havent played my war in a few weeks
Sounds like a 3rd bonus roll to me
autumn nexus
Sadly this war only got 2 token things, so eah
I gave up on warrior long ago
big weird how shit the sword is vs crafted wep
Ill just do glvoes cos MytIkoZ, vs 250 current gloves
vagrant hull
Can't you just catalyze them
autumn nexus
They are tier gloves
vagrant hull
oh I didn't catch that
ionic mica
big weird how shit the sword is vs crafted wep
if you have an embellishment on your crafted weap, you would want to sim moving that to somewhere else as well
autumn nexus
Yeah, but too lkate I already repalced it
autumn nexus
Ill just stick to coining Pit for mace
I mean yeah, but they are competin vs 250 champ gloves with crit matery
so wrong stats, but lots of stats and 22 ilvls >
ionic mica
not even really a question at that point lmao
autumn nexus
😄
I noticed my weapon craft with Sparkle, cos I made this char late and was going for 2x arcanoweave
so it simmed correctly
small rampart
wtf is up with the arms animations, they look so wack now. Does any race use their special 2h for the majority of their abilities?
Seems like everything is just this little “wiff”
flat willow
Use noggenfogger, the skeleton has vanilla animations
small rampart
There’s no way to get vanilla animations back is there?
slow saddle
u dont like em coz they dark ?
flat willow
Every time I die from threat I hate them a little more
small rampart
Bloodthirst looks good for most races, it uses their DW special, but man
flat willow
War within made me hate night elves a lot
small rampart
Playing mop with the old human animations are peak
That spin for females
I’ll have to try out void elf on ptr
slow saddle
I’ll have to try out void elf on ptr
i mean i do enjoy em
if not its 100% wolfman warrior
jovial hare
Slam, MS look wack.
ms' sound design does a lot of heavy lifting
dim forge
is there someone on warcraftlogs that uses mostly slarms? Was curious on their talents per dungeon
slow saddle
khawar
thick kelp
is there someone on warcraftlogs that uses mostly slarms? Was curious on their t...
its the same build every key
small rampart
Slayer is best atm right?
thick kelp
thats on wowhead
dim forge
I think they are both goood dffrom my undderstanding
colossus higher dmg but slayer higher prio dmg
flat willow
I'd still play colossus on saron and maisara at the very least
thick kelp
yeah np I coached him 100%
small rampart
For colossus, do you demolish only at 10 stacks? Or on cd with Csmash
flat willow
You want to do it at 10 stacks but if Cs is about to run off you send it before it fades
dim forge
Sorry if this question has been asked a million times. I sometimes wish there was a better resource on this discord for rotations. Does slarms really not even touch mortal strike except CS 2 stacks? Even in single target\aoe? Like do you still ex twice then mortal strike in single target?
clever wave
in execute range yes out side of execute I think you MS on cd
flat willow
In the mythic + build yes
real mortar
I think i read martial prowess is the important talent for whether you MS in execute or not
And m+ build doesnt take it so MS in execute is p weak
thick kelp
Correct
thick kelp
For colossus, do you demolish only at 10 stacks? Or on cd with Csmash
Aoe you can send it on cd but ST wait for CS, if you dont care for -.3% send it always on CD
clever wave
says in m+ build to only use MS at 2 EP with colossus smash otherwis you just execute OP HS
thick kelp
Sorry if this question has been asked a million times. I sometimes wish there wa...
They really should make more ppl be forced to mouse over the ?
tacit crystal
They really should make more ppl be forced to mouse over the ?
actions.slayer_execute+=/mortal_strike,if=buff.executioners_precision.stack=2&(talent.martial_prowess&debuff.colossus_smash.up&talent.opportunist|talent.martial_prowess&talent.fierce_followthrough|!talent.martial_prowess&debuff.colossus_smash.up|dot.rend_dot.remains<2)|debuff.colossus_smash.up&talent.battlelord
warrior57 what is that?
latent moss
warrior57 what is that?
nothing of any relevance to anyone
it basically says
u ms with 2x EP if u have martial prowess AND fierce followthrough
otherwise only with cs up
tacit crystal
(you only have fierce follow through and martial prowess in single target builds)
tepid citrus
They really should make more ppl be forced to mouse over the ?
what do I do when i'm out of rage and can't do any of these things?
Joking btw... lol but man it hurts
tacit crystal
rage about not having a shaman
pulsar frost
Think about wanting to buy shamans
latent moss
@thick kelp if i dont get weapon next week
pulsar frost
Nah you think and try to buy shamans while you afk for rage
latent moss
i assume i upgrade gaze?
tepid citrus
Nah you think and try to buy shamans while you afk for rage
should literally just be a shaman flask. Increases auto attacks speed potion
latent moss
lowk if i dont get
a weapon in vault its just a take bonus roll angle
actually if i dont get pit weapon
its a take roll angle
shadow void
hi are you guys sending demolish at start of pull to get it on cd or waiting for stacks
latent moss
i send on start
tacit crystal
how do you not have pit weapon by now
tepid citrus
hi are you guys sending demolish at start of pull to get it on cd or waiting for...
Nah. try to build stacks pre-pull. Pull aggro,die.. Send it when you rez
latent moss
noob 57?
tacit crystal
i need one of those
latent moss
bro doesnt have gaze
shadow void
Nah. try to build stacks pre-pull. Pull aggro,die.. Send it when you rez
this is precisely why i was asking xDDD
real mortar
Im surprised they didnt like the raid buff scrolls they used to have
tepid citrus
this is precisely why i was asking xDDD
You can really only build stacks with Monk. Watch what he keg smashes.
shadow void
You can really only build stacks with Monk. Watch what he keg smashes.
its okay too dangerous a game for me, will just send
shadow void
awesome thanks
rancid willow
Servers back up a little early 🙂
autumn nexus
Why is slayer execute SD the last prio in aoe when it gives you reap?
nm im blind, that was colossus xD
thick kelp
<@865605822638063647> if i dont get weapon next week
why havnt u rolled it from pit alr
glad hamlet
hows the nilhammer work? 1 upgrade per week?
lean geode
latent moss
autumn nexus
whos baze and how many times did he get hit in the head
thick kelp
@snow flame can you answer
latent moss
autumn nexus
Oh look
I was right
its gonna be another fucking quest to gather shards
At this point, why dont they just use spit and fuck us in the ass, even though its my own fault for expecting it to be nice and simple
glad hamlet
It woulda been lovely if blizz just explained how the system works, and the cadence in which we get the upgrades 🙂
snow flame
whos baze and how many times did he get hit in the head
about 6 or 7
autumn nexus
not too bad
sudden owl
It woulda been lovely if blizz just explained how the system works, and the cade...
no, now please choose your path to enlightenment https://x.com/i/status/2053881758890807558
X
ionic mica
this or voidcore
unless you plan on using bonus rolls on WS or Seat, gloves would be the play ya
uneven minnow
cuz to get them otherwise means either 1. a future vault or 2. voidcoring
uneven minnow
unless you plan on using bonus rolls on WS or Seat, gloves would be the play ya
not really, my general plan for all my warriors is pit of saron -> NXP -> remaining items depending on what gear I have per character at that point
ionic mica
vault gloves it is 🙂