(Unless overcapping rage)
#arms
fathom spire
keen siren
Right but I don’t like to overthink it you’ll eventually use it anyways
fathom spire
Yeah those are smaller optimizations
stable fiber
no
sturdy vortex
Does HS have more prio over MS still? Or MS goes on cd now
mortal crag
Bro stealing me stealing from cone
minor gust
rose matrix
You're right I should start asking
I just thought by the time I got to a 19 it'd be default
Seems kinda troll not to use the Deathwhisper pack right there
minor gust
pugs just generally dont like to pull onto boss
sturdy vortex
What about rotation prio in Slayer AOE? Cleave still on top of the other abilities? Or Execute procs/Standart Execute have more prio over standart Cleave, and only proced Cleave goes up?
latent moss
pugs just generally dont like to pull onto boss
dont blame them
rose matrix
aoe:
cleave
exe with sd or high rage
op
exe
ms
rend
latent moss
pulling shit on top of boss just complicates the pull for most key levels
minor gust
yeah its adding more difficulty when you dont need the funnel to time
latent moss
yep
rose matrix
I agree but for Garfrost it's pretty free
latent moss
u should do that pull regardless of slarms or colo
biz did 138k on garfrost
as slayer
its insane man
138k boss dps
wtf
rose matrix
Yep and all you have to do is kick one guy
minor gust
yeah was just saying you got slarms as a solid back up if you dont think you will get funnel
everytime a pug tanked pulled that pack onto gar none of them ever CC so the funnel doesnt last the whole time
latent moss
Yep and all you have to do is kick one guy
and then u get shit like
sand totem
I agree but for Garfrost it's pretty free
Ever had a netherburst go off cause of bad interrupts?
rose matrix
Ever had a netherburst go off cause of bad interrupts? <:sadge:82020236335985463...
Not an issue for Garfrost since you can handle the kick yourself
sand totem
Not an issue for Garfrost since you can handle the kick yourself
Am I high? Isn't there more than one in that pull?
I absolutely had one or two go off on a bad pug.
Of course im also dogwater so I might have missed the kick too
sand totem
Well then thats just as on me as the other pugs hahahaha
Probably kicked the wrong mob or some brain dead shii
steep osprey
sand totem
Its actually griefing to not play warrior
sand totem
my tank falls through the floor on nexus point
Skill issue ngl
nova marsh
my tank falls through the floor on nexus point
how the fuck
upper sparrow
my tank falls through the floor on nexus point
This happen to me too right after the patch, tanking a +15. Also had one of the shadow dudes in combat but evading the entire right wing
strong tendon
WHat does the arms mastery "increases damage while wielding a 2H weapon" actualy do? Isn't that all damage? When do we ever not wield a 2H?
sand totem
WHat does the arms mastery "increases damage while wielding a 2H weapon" actualy...
Exactly that. Its just versatility without the damage reduction
dire hinge
technically we can wear sword and board 
minor gust
WHat does the arms mastery "increases damage while wielding a 2H weapon" actualy...
Mastery has long sense lost all meaning pretty much every spec mastery is just vers 2.0 aka more dmg no DR
latent moss
Mastery has long sense lost all meaning pretty much every spec mastery is just v...
or dr too in the case of surv hunter
minor gust
actual vers for a mastery
latent moss
no scaling
latent moss
y
minor gust
I assume the intention is because survival is "melee"
rose matrix
Are you guys seeing the target of a cast on your nameplates with plater?
minor gust
yeah
rose matrix
Wonder why I don't
minor gust
🤷
latent moss
raid or m+
marble needle
Both
latent moss
m+ slayer is like 3-4 colo is like 7
the reason colo is higher is not cause the rotation is harder
its cause all of ur damage comes from a button that can miss
marble needle
Whats more fun to play sl or colo
marble needle
Can I slayer for all content
rose matrix
They are both pretty fun but Colossus feels bad because of really bad ST and Demolish rooting you in place essentially
rose matrix
At the same time it can feel pretty good to play and use Demolish well
Right now I'd recommend Slayer for sure tho
marble needle
Ill start as slayer and then add in colo play after
upper sparrow
Ill start as slayer and then add in colo play after
Slayer is more funner
latent moss
colossus is more punishing
marble needle
More funner. Im sold
latent moss
imo the hardest thing with colo is that
all ur damage comes from a button that can silently miss mobs
(cleave)
demolish can easily miss too
rose matrix
Imagine they made cleave a power up ability like evoker fire breath
upper sparrow
all ur damage comes from a button that can silently miss mobs
I learn better with pictures, someone should make a picture like this https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/294030470604259330/1487790115395862650/range.png?ex=69e76d05&is=69e61b85&hm=7a4231f2bc8319c3d41b340d661b4c65cd02e5beebe7edb82f1a154571441b8e&
latent moss
yes
latent moss
I learn better with pictures, someone should make a picture like this https://cd...
there was one floating around
vivid pike
So given the update is Slayer for the M+ better than Colossus ?
latent moss
no
its better for pugs
for premade id say they are close enough u should be able to play both
pit and maisara are colo favoured
rose matrix
If you're in a premade it's dungeon specific
latent moss
algethar and skyreach are slayer favored
vivid pike
i was gonna use it for the paladins fight
latent moss
rest are u can play w/e
rose matrix
I'd say NPX is slayer too
tacit moat
w
minor gust
arms is a 3t spec
Next 2T/3T fight all bosses will be forced to be spread out
thick sage
isn't this supposed to be the other way around?
or does not matter which one comes first?
wind hatch
if you have both active before your next global it doesnt matter tbh
thick sage
dones't avatar also strenthens the CS?
minor gust
yes but CS does no dmg
thick sage
very little you mean
minor gust
same thing
latent moss
idk if it can beat giving us insane funnel
tbf slayer isnt even utilizing it
minor gust
tbf slayer isnt even utilizing it
maybe can test to see if you gain more prio from prioing MS second in aoe
minor gust
GG
latent moss
set is way bigger for colo
minor gust
Still its a funnel enabler we lose next tier
latent moss
tbh fob is just broken
minor gust
latent moss
fob is the only reason ure pressing cleave for prio dmg
humble 300k heroic strike
on colo
??????
like
how is that a real talent
u can literally deal 600k in a single global to ur prio mob
300k cleave and 300k hs
minor gust
I guess yeah maybe im underestimating FOB. Forget it didnt get the 50% bonus till midnight
wicked aurora
for a proggers kill I'll take it
minor gust
huge
wicked aurora
get to sit on the first night of alleria prog tho lol
wicked aurora
being sat on that boss is a blessing
but muh kill
trying to decide on if I swap to fury for the rest of the tier or not
minor gust
imo Arms bis for belo and lura and alleria it doesnt matter what you play
latent moss
muh fury
wind hatch
arms did feel nice for belo
idk about lura cuz we were just wiping to p1 for 6 hours straight
:)
wicked aurora
not that it matters much, but I sim higher as Fury :pepehands
latent moss
Lura is peak p3/p4 waiting room
classic arms
hollow wave
My only problem with arms gameplay right now is having to check broad strokes stacks to press sweeping strikes
I though blizzard wanted to remove this type of gameplay
rare kite
get to sit on the first night of alleria prog tho lol
Wish i was sat on it
hoary palm
wicked aurora
My only problem with arms gameplay right now is having to check broad strokes st...
but you don't need to
set an audio alert for when you lose the Sweeping Strikes buff
gg
latent moss
annoying to press
ss should jsut be passive atp
u have close to 100% uptime
anyway
minor gust
yeah I hope they notice that and just make SS passive man
no one wants to press this shit
wicked aurora
ss should jsut be passive atp
agreed
wicked aurora
yeah I hope they notice that and just make SS passive man
it should just be legion SS
minor gust
now that CS is baseline aoe I dont see why not
latent moss
truth nuke
wicked aurora
but like at the same token, make your life easier stop looking for the buff and just do this
rose matrix
It honestly doesn't really work that well
It doesn't make a sound when you consume the stacks only if the fall off
minor gust
its very often like a second delayed
and if theres other sound stuff going on sometime it just doesnt go off
at all
rose matrix
Basically it's useless and just keep track of it
wicked aurora
It doesn't make a sound when you consume the stacks only if the fall off
why would you want it to make a sound every single stack
rose matrix
I mean consume all 12
I am pretty sure if you consume the final stack it doesn't have audio
maybe it's not that
minor gust
it does
wicked aurora
I haven't had it not work for me
rose matrix
But it doesn't work all the time
wicked aurora
and it makes the sound when you consume the last stack
minor gust
because for sure it doesnt always work
wicked aurora
no TTS etc
wicked aurora
WAs had the same problem
rose matrix
Not to this level
upper sparrow
ss should jsut be passive atp
YUSSS and then buff mortal strike while deleting avatar.
Or whatever buff needs to happen to be able to delete avatar
rose matrix
I had more audio going through with WAs and never had issues with the cha ching for BB
wicked aurora
Idk I had more sound related stuff just not play with WAs
because so much of it overlapped
upper sparrow
and if theres other sound stuff going on sometime it just doesnt go off
After a few log in/log outs, my CDM sound alerts delete themselves
wicked aurora
why tf would you want to delete Avatar
visual vessel
abilities bugged
minor gust
because by definition its a useless bloat cd
upper sparrow
why tf would you want to delete Avatar
Useless CD
latent moss
why tf would you want to delete Avatar
does genuinely nothing
upper sparrow
Useless CD
That desyncs all the damn time
minor gust
you wouldnt even notice it gone
latent moss
i mean
minor gust
as it does nothing but a dmg up for the spec
latent moss
imagine this
you cant track it and u get teleported to a fight and u cant see ur character
can u tell if avatar is up
latent moss
me when reading comprehension
latent moss
like its just
upper sparrow
idk desyncing isnt the issue
I run into it being 10ish seconds behind when I have CS and BS ready and it tilts me.
latent moss
such a shit cd that does nothing
arms doesnt need more cds than cs+demo/bs
and for the love of god move bs to slayer tree
upper sparrow
arms doesnt need more cds than cs+demo/bs
marble needle
Do arms warriors dual wield 2h or am I trippin
wind hatch
Do arms warriors dual wield 2h or am I trippin
thats fury
minor gust
doesnt always in M+ but in constant combat yeah
stable fiber
well i mean that can be true for a lot of specs no
minor gust
yee
latent moss
for all specs
unless u only have 1 cd
but im not aware of such spec
fire mage i guess
stable fiber
well you can like prepull DT to keep it synced with army
like i commonly use dt like 10 seconds before i pull something
latent moss
ye i mean u never dt without army
what the fuck did i say
i just realized
i meant u always want to have dt for army
minor gust
u never wake without wings
isnt wake = wings or did they remove that talent
latent moss
u dont play it
minor gust
oh
latent moss
cause if u play it u dont play exe sentence
minor gust
is it just for bigger exe sentences
minor gust
better CS gg
latent moss
ye its literally better cs
its what cs should be
u just wake
then u divine hammer next global
minor gust
this is the quality we get for CS talents
latent moss
imagine if demo worked like that
latent moss
this is the quality we get for CS talents
W
stable fiber
what a chud ass talent
latent moss
WHERE
is my
iftk man
why did they gut it and move it to hero talents
fuckass company
latent moss
getting iftk in exe phase was peak
minor gust
why did they gut it and move it to hero talents
moved to hero talents and made worse classic
latent moss
and they didnt add the one thing they shouldve added
and thats manaforge 2pc
they add colo fuckass set that did nothing
well it did something
but they completely gutted it
stable fiber
iftk cant exist with this tier set i think
latent moss
and the part of it that was doing something was the demolish damage
minor gust
bro that colo bleed talent going from 80% to 15% is crazy xD
latent moss
might be imgur + wow forum post time..
latent moss
yep
latent moss
iftk cant exist with this tier set i think
lowk i think
thats what arms should be
apply cs then try to maintain it
bla bla makes us uptime reliant bla bla like we already arent
latent moss
gotta wait till their paying attention to forums
if i had power over arms
cleave wouldnt exist
minor gust
apply cs then try to maintain it
rework rage for arms to be like DDH and press CS or a new CD to activate big d ick mode. except we dont try to maintain as long as we can
just short bursts of big dam
very tactical
latent moss
true
tepid citrus
cleave wouldnt exist
Same. I would cut it. Demolish would be gone. CS would be the new Demolish and Rav would shoot out two executes and have reduced CD.
nova marsh
Same. I would cut it. Demolish would be gone. CS would be the new Demolish and R...
how do aoe
minor gust
Demolish should just exactly be like wake and press CS makes it turn into demolish
slow saddle
Never remove cleave
nova marsh
this too
Put power into base cleave too
instead of needing like 6 talents to make it good
tepid citrus
how do aoe
CS would be demolish you wouldn’t need to pair it with anything you would get the bonus from CS still and Demo. SS MS would give good prio and our ST would be better
slow saddle
CS would be demolish you wouldn’t need to pair it with anything you would get th...
To me loosin agency but faif
Im simpler. Let demo do a 3 sec cs
Of cs is up extend, if not is there
nova marsh
CS would be demolish you wouldn’t need to pair it with anything you would get th...
A. Would our ST be better lmao
B. Okay so we just have dreadnaught + SS for ANY form of AoE outside of CDS
That sounds awful
tepid citrus
To me loosin agency but faif
Yes eliminating button bloat would be my main goal
slow saddle
Yes eliminating button bloat would be my main goal
We have little bloat
slow saddle
Let me keep my buttons
nova marsh
rend if you wonna argue
slow saddle
Our rotation isnt bloatrd
tepid citrus
A. Would our ST be better lmao
B. Okay so we just have dreadnaught + SS for **A...
RAV shoots out two executes still with all bonuses.
nova marsh
I mean I think ravager can go at this point
slow saddle
Make op give us rage
slow saddle
Exactly remove rav - make avatar do something
tepid citrus
Make op give us rage
That should have never left. Terrible design choice
slow saddle
That should have never left. Terrible design choice
Ofc
Instead they.gave us hs
That only works coz of fervor tbh
tepid citrus
But overall I do agree we aren't super bloated
In have double the keybinds on arms than any other spec or class I play lol.
slow saddle
In st its ok, but for rage purpose addin another proc rage cost into a 30% flst tact
slow saddle
In have double the keybinds on arms than any other spec or class I play lol.
Little 2 do with rotation
nova marsh
In have double the keybinds on arms than any other spec or class I play lol.
How many do you use
Are you actually using things like hamstring, heroic throw, shouts, exc regularly?
slow saddle
Like its rav for md
nova marsh
Rota wise I think we're almost fine if Ravager goes. I can....begrude avatar's existence on arms even if I personally dislike it
slow saddle
Feels pointless. Give same ability on pressin avatsr passive
tepid citrus
Yes. HT really useful in keys this season and hamstring is kinda clutch first boss Seat
slow saddle
Ok but thats utility
slow saddle
Also stormbolt
hybrid needle
Are you actually using things like hamstring, heroic throw, shouts, exc regularl...
Are you saying all pvp talents are bloat
nova marsh
Huh
slow saddle
No orc dude is
tepid citrus
Monk is meta tank
I’ve seen more Druid lately with monk healers
fair tinsel
Bears seem to be ascending as well, which saddens me because I can't rend half the time going into a pack
slow saddle
Complainin bout utiliry keys
fair tinsel
Let alone sweeping for stacks
tepid citrus
Bears seem to be ascending as well, which saddens me because I can't rend half t...
Bro lol at least it’s not just me
hybrid needle
Thats a bear issue. I feel safer stacking cm on bears than monks
nova marsh
I’ve seen more Druid lately with monk healers
Also my point was more so that monks in general are better for ads
tepid citrus
No orc dude is
Never said PvP talents are bloat. I said I have more keybinds on arms than any other class I play. 😂
slow saddle
Never said PvP talents are bloat. I said I have more keybinds on arms than any o...
Then named super situational thinf
nova marsh
Gonna say something crazy
nova marsh
But bloat like that is kinda personal pref
hybrid needle
Cause as arms you have more CDs than some speccs have rotational abilitys
looking at hunters
nova marsh
Bloat to me is when it rotationally or utility wise is either jank or just feels extremely pointless
nova marsh
Even if warrior utility is outclassed it's not useless
hybrid needle
Bloat to me is when it rotationally or utility wise is either jank or just feels...
Name 1 bloat
latent moss
rend
slow saddle
I still think rend could have a spot
Buy
Needs interaction
Or deletion
Some reason 4 me to rend esp st imho
nova marsh
SKS was also bloat before blizzard shot it
hybrid needle
Rav is Merciless bonegrinder on a cd which makes it more rewarding to use it correctly instead of passively
hybrid needle
Why do yall want less buttons so bad
slow saddle
2 me its openers
nova marsh
because we warriors are still mad that in a pruning expansion
blizz fucked it up
all I really want gone completely is ravager, evreything else I can live with
merciless bonegrinder dosen't even feel like it makes sense to have when cleave is this fucking stupid
hybrid needle
So youre okay with not having merciless bonegrinder
nova marsh
Genuinely yes
slow saddle
Yes or passive rac on avatae
nova marsh
Buff dreadnaught to make up for it
slow saddle
Buff dreadnaught to make up for it
Yes
nova marsh
Arms has done just fine without bonegrinder in multiple seasons
slow saddle
If cleave nerf it could get just dmf
nova marsh
Demolish needs a rework for ST imo
There needs to be something for stack gen that isn't "lmao, you throw away 2/3rds of your stack gen cuz tank didn't pull right GG"
hybrid needle
More stack gen would skyrocket our aoe too much.
Im fine with just a Talent like the boomstick one
hollow wave
IMO you should interact with abilities, avatar and ravager have 0 interaction, most of time you can just macro and forget
pulsar frost
More stack gen would skyrocket our aoe too much.
Im fine with just a Talent lik...
I see no issues with aoe skyrocketing
nova marsh
More stack gen would skyrocket our aoe too much.
Im fine with just a Talent lik...
Dosen't have to interact with aoe
could just be something like "non swept slams gen stacks"
You'd barely get anything in aoe from that
pulsar frost
Slams 
nova marsh
Meh
nova marsh
You could put it on overpower but I also think that's excessive
I mean
What other way is there
nova marsh
that isn't rng
pulsar frost
And less rng in general
nova marsh
Or just putting it on CS since blizzard seems to refuse to do that
hybrid needle
This would turn your st rota into ms>slam>demolish>endoflist
hybrid needle
Yes. Boomstick.
nova marsh
But unhinged is honestly is like the best way to fix stack gen
pulsar frost
@nova marsh when arms rework
slow saddle
Remove rav + op give rage and im done!! Mayhaps hs free send on exe if mob dub 35%
hybrid needle
I like ravager. They should buff it.
pulsar frost
Remove rav + op give rage and im done!! Mayhaps hs free send on exe if mob dub ...
RIGHT THIS WHAR IVE BEEN SAYING
hybrid needle
I want skullsplitter back
hybrid needle
No
pulsar frost
Maybe talent to 45
Why would you want to waste a talent point for 35 tho. Should be free
Yet you like ravager
Make it make sense
pulsar frost
Maybe not 45. But baseline should be 35
hollow wave
I don't like ravager because of how it is implemented, it's just a press and forget ability with 0 meaning
pulsar frost
Could get rid of mass all together and not replace it with the increased range. Just baseline the 35
hybrid needle
Exe has always been a 20% thing. Its already very very lenient to even be able to put it to 35%
pulsar frost
Just a waste of talent point. We could have something else that could be tech better
nova marsh
Exe has always been a 20% thing. Its already very very lenient to even be able t...
Counterpoint: Like evrey other execute thing is 35% nowdays
mass
OP rage before removal
Overpowering finish
hollow wave
I would actually prefer to execute be only at 20%, but be a lot powerful
pulsar frost
I wouldn't mind removing the talent for Mas making it baseline and bringing bsck op rage gen as a talent etc
Many different things then just increase exe to 35
pulsar frost
I would actually prefer to execute be only at 20%, but be a lot powerful
This is also fine
hybrid needle
Counterpoint: Like evrey other execute thing is 35% nowdays
Thanks Microsoft
pulsar frost
Its just waste of talent point imo like boomkin needs to talent into solar beam on spec tree. Like why
hybrid needle
DF also brought in some playable ugly fucking... whatever they are supposed to be
pulsar frost
They're just dragons
slow saddle
I want skullsplitter back
Needs 2 be pre changes sks. The 1 thats a totemkiller tbh
hybrid needle
Whatever those are its not dragons
pulsar frost
They're judt dragon people thats not massive Is all
pulsar frost
They make my damage go up so idc
hybrid needle
Thats evoker
Specifically augmentsation
Which easily couldve been a mage specc as in "time mage"
pulsar frost
Ye which is what's mainly being played anyways
slow saddle
I dont feel it as warrior tbh
pulsar frost
I've only played with 2 in all my push keys so
slow saddle
Mby ive just had bad augs
pulsar frost
hybrid needle
You now got arcane mage with TIME spells, evoker with TIME spells.. why
slow saddle
Y i dno, everythin feels like it lasts longer
pulsar frost
I mean isnt evokes and Aug more fitting for bronze dragons or whatever
pulsar frost
Y i dno, everythin feels like it lasts longer
Idk my last run with Aug pack felt pretty quick
hybrid needle
Look at bronze dragons. Look at dractyr. How are they the same
pulsar frost
The concept of bronze dragons is time which is also Aug if im not mistaken?
hybrid needle
The concept, yes
pulsar frost
While we're at it give warriors lust. Exclude prot for all I care
hybrid needle
And Emerald dragons are all about the stuff that druids can do
pulsar frost
Why not both
slow saddle
I want cooler undead
hybrid needle
Ok ill be honest
Dractyr is horribly Designed
Haranir can go back to amalur
Make warrior meta for once
pulsar frost
Ye physical comp wise
slow saddle
Like we need 2 be veeeery silent atm
pulsar frost
Even fury is good
pulsar frost
Outside of phy its still solid but being real most folks ain't taking a warrior out of phy
slow saddle
Im 2 x happy
slow saddle
Outside of phy its still solid but being real most folks ain't taking a warrior ...
Nah but phy comp is veeery strong
pulsar frost
Ye ik
slow saddle
Like u arent replacing arms with uh dk
pulsar frost
We're the meta pick for phy
slow saddle
Tbh for arms 2 be meta we needed 1 more op phys.class
pulsar frost
I mean its normally dk and war since dks normally pump ifk about now tho
slow saddle
Like id gather if like outlaw was super meta
nova marsh
Is monk still mostly physical? WW?
pulsar frost
Rogues never becoming meta
slow saddle
Resto -aug - rogue - war - monk
pulsar frost
But like why ww when brew
hybrid needle
I mean
slow saddle
Ww is very good yes
hybrid needle
Have you seen what rogues can do? Its crazy
slow saddle
I play warrior every season🤣
nova marsh
Whats the meta for grass
slow saddle
Weed
pulsar frost
There's actually meta for it
slow saddle
🤣
nova marsh
Wa
pulsar frost
If you really into that stuff
pulsar frost
I just want my spec to feel good gameplay wise and do good numbers is really it
Rage is the only complaint I have. Espically for slayer
slow saddle
I just want my spec to feel good gameplay wise and do good numbers is really it
I mean we need slighly rage control then
From op
pulsar frost
I agree
slow saddle
And rly thought unhinged should be a collosus talent
pulsar frost
Or just better rng for reap and SD procs
nova marsh
Imo
slow saddle
And just let slayers. Bladestorm truck
nova marsh
unhinged was better as a spec tree talent
slow saddle
I mean unhinged feels better with rav
pulsar frost
Bladestorm is ok. Just thinking of bad tanks not pulling more then 3 mobs is lame
slow saddle
In bladestorm its just pass dmg
slow saddle
Bladestorm is ok. Just thinking of bad tanks not pulling more then 3 mobs is lam...
3 is fine
Activates.fervor
We are now kings
pulsar frost
But bigger better
slow saddle
Yes yes
slow saddle
Prot pala meta when???
nova marsh
Oh please
slow saddle
Then i dont even have 2 interrupt🤣
nova marsh
prot pally was meta or almost meta for like 4 years
pulsar frost
When
slow saddle
I know im jokin
nova marsh
So true man
pulsar frost
Didn't play df so cant say
slow saddle
Y ngl had pala in df
pulsar frost
But dh been meta the last 2 seasons no?
slow saddle
Was goated for weekly keys
nova marsh
DH and prot pally are usually fighting over it
nova marsh
even in DF S3 it flip flopped
pulsar frost
I mained warrior before I quit. Came back didnt like how it felt. Played druid in s3 of tww now back on the war
nova marsh
slow saddle
U must suffer like us
pulsar frost
I mean kinda glad. Lots of cool shit came out during that span I left the game
pulsar frost
Its like asmon bro spent 20 years playing wow and has like no game knowledge for any other games
slow saddle
I raid logged for a long while
pulsar frost
Kinda a shame
slow saddle
Its like asmon bro spent 20 years playing wow and has like no game knowledge fo...
Bro has no wow knowledge
nova marsh
Ngl I'm glad BFA made me open my eyes to other games
slow saddle
Or skills
pulsar frost
Im aware. But like 20 years of just wow. Missing out on all good games
nova marsh
bro ngl
pulsar frost
Old and new
pulsar frost
Is just a shame
slow saddle
Or we saying while using mouse as rotation🤣
pulsar frost
Like imagine missing out on good story games cause of wow lol
slow saddle
Yeah thats mad
pulsar frost
Never played the classic like ps3 games
Can't think of example currently but saw a clip a while back
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I mean im only invested in c & c games
pulsar frost
Like 2016 was a great gaming year. Dude missed lots
tacit crystal
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And baldurs gate kindda games
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In classic
clever crag
That is NOT easy to do
pulsar frost
Bg3 good game. Never really got into it tho. Been wanting to but eh sitting in baxklog
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Bg3 good game. Never really got into it tho. Been wanting to but eh sitting in b...
I mean peak parts are mods
Its a suuuper timehog
nova marsh
He has nr 1 parses lol
Okay I shouldn't have said peak ngl
pulsar frost
I have to many backlogs currently of long games as well
slow saddle
Feel ya
pulsar frost
Like I could be playing those instead of wow
pulsar frost
Its the thought of just how little time we have
Think about that 20 years of JUST wow
slow saddle
Nah cba cyberpunk tbh
clever crag
Well tbh WoW was pretty good
slow saddle
Think about that 20 years of JUST wow
Pretty certain my man has 2 have done others off air?
nova marsh
Well tbh WoW was pretty good
I mean dosen't matter if wow was pretty good
clever crag
Remember BfA ?
slow saddle
If not respect for the years that made him rich
nova marsh
Missing on so many experiences because of one game kinda suck
clever crag
Remember Legion ?
pulsar frost
Pretty certain my man has 2 have done others off air?
Barely. He mentioned that he missed out on everything the last 20 years due to wow
He was judt addicted to wow
nova marsh
I mean
pulsar frost
Even if money wasn't part of it
nova marsh
I can't say shit about BFA
pulsar frost
The thing is he was gonna play wow even if it didnt make him rich
So the money part isnt playing into it since he could also just sotp streaming ans take bteask etc
slow saddle
The thing is he was gonna play wow even if it didnt make him rich
Mby. Not for 20years though?
nova marsh
well at least M+ was kinda dope
pulsar frost
Which to my knowledge he never did
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I think legion is overhyped
nova marsh
Legion is a lil overhyped
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And shadowlands gets undeserved shit
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Only lookin at raids
nova marsh
Shadowlands almost killed the game
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Fr? Even the borrowed powers.were great
Once they unlocked
Properly
Whimsical quest lines as well
pulsar frost
Do yoy like anything sir
nova marsh
I liked DF arms
nova marsh
Tazavesh was the only shadowlands dungeon I really liked
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Once design ion wasnt shitty
pulsar frost
Isn't s1 of everything expect this expac hard
nova marsh
Kinda yeah
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S1 was hard it was just well...
nova marsh
But
pulsar frost
Which im fine with. Im already 3500 and I ain't good players so sheug
nova marsh
Yeah design for SL S1 was ass
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They locked us in half talent tress
tacit crystal
@latent moss
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Like it was 2 bad coz after we basicly had 3 or 4 ?? Hero talents
Vs 2 now?
Less distinct ofc
slow saddle
Exactly
nova marsh
And conduit energy was so fucking bad man
Imagine making a system that exclusively punishes people who wonna minmax
latent moss
<@692035495718551564>
holy fucking mog
slow saddle
As i said, once unlocked awesome
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So expansion in it self wasnt bad. But horrid design choices early
I loved sylvanas raid
nova marsh
Painsmith was genuinely fun
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Then some super shitters
tacit crystal
holy fucking mog
CRANK
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Up to and ps sorry
nova marsh
Guardian of the snooze feast
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Kelthuzad felt like letdown coz... well we wanted more
nova marsh
Fatescribe as rage bait
KT....I liked KT a bit but I didn't raid mythic
Slyvie prog was venthyr fury made me wonna KMS
nova marsh
I can maybe accept that
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P1 was good
nova marsh
P1 was p alright ye
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The intermissions werent
nova marsh
P2 shouldn't even exist
nova marsh
Like
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And it would be fine
nova marsh
P2 sucked so much ass
Then again part of it is
I progged that as venthyr
and condemm was literally useless
nova marsh
I mean I was also fury
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Twas arms ofc
nova marsh
And I killed it before blizz pulled the ripcord
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Sweet
nova marsh
Not sweet
nova marsh
Yeah venthyr on slyvie felt like I was throwing ngl
nova marsh
I think Slyvie singlehandedly made me dislike longer fights
nova marsh
early season it ws 15
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But it gave us awesome bosses in df
That werent that long
Fyrakk still my fav endboss
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2 watch race,on
nova marsh
they were actually good
nova marsh
Gotta agree
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Dragon friends and enemies
nova marsh
Aside from Aug crapping on S2, DF was genuinely fun
nova marsh
I think the only part of DF S2 that sucked was the M+ trinkets were garbage
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Aug shat on everythin
nova marsh
You had one that was worth ur time
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Like now?
nova marsh
ehhhh
I think M+ at least has solarflare and Heart to lean on
I'd say puzzlebox but fuck that POS
you at least have 2 okay options
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But vs raid
nova marsh
yeah vs raid they suck
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Same gap
weary star
we need gladiator stance back
nova marsh
But I'm kinda okay with that
warriors try not to hug their Glad stance body pillow: Challenge: Impossible
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Ideally 1 bis from each imho
nova marsh
Yeah I think that's fair
I don't think the trinket situation is anywhere near as bad DF S2 was thou
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Esp with coin system
weary star
warriors try not to hug their Glad stance body pillow: Challenge: Impossible
I think that was the most fun warrior has ever been, imo
nova marsh
I know
I just have to poke fun at it
honestlky gonna sound crazy
I kinda miss DF arms
even if it had problems like rage and IV that I didn't like
- I like that DF had some pretty varied gameplay from Season to season
woven coral
is colossus still the best performing warrior hero tree?
thick kelp
nova marsh
is colossus still the best performing warrior hero tree?
For keys?
woven coral
yeah
for keys
just picking up a warrior atm
wondering if slayer fury or arms arent too far behind
i guess this kinda answers my question lol
hollow wave
I am definitely not playing puzzle box anymore, so annoying to use
pulsar frost
is colossus still the best performing warrior hero tree?
Define best performing. As in overall damage of key. ST bosses. Aoe etx
west oracle
i guess this kinda answers my question lol
we are back to slayer?
pulsar frost
Both good rn. Slayer has the better ST. Less overall and aoe then colo
woven coral
Define best performing. As in overall damage of key. ST bosses. Aoe etx
just overall DPS check
pulsar frost
I mean colo has the better overall for a key. But without funnel it has dog shit boss damage
Has better aoe then slayer
hollow wave
I love to play colossus, but single target is depressing
slow saddle
yeah i mean
slayer is deffo better in pugs
exept like yesterday i did a 18 pos where i got funnel as col
was amazing
pulsar frost
I just do my best and let the other 2 dps figure it out when I play colo
But play what you like
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i guess this kinda answers my question lol
but this doesnt tell full story
id say slayer arms > thane
for a dungeon clear speed
coz u got way more focused dmg
and the aoe tbh on slayer mt is ok
pulsar frost
Prio damage do be cracked and important
slow saddle
mass aoe is SO overrated
in a grp
Id rather let the Ret kill more small mobs
while i makesure big ones die from sexecution like abilities 😉
ofc Collosus also does this very very well so like thats the main str of col
not the actual AOE which is nice and all
but its the focus "aoe" thats madness a
woven coral
id say slayer arms > thane
colo arms > slayer arms > thane, in your opinion?
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i mean if ideal conditions yes
rose matrix
Yes
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if not slayer > colo > thane
100%
idc
and also in like skyreach + aa
id say slayer > col > thane
thorn stream
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on paper thane is rly good, but the Mass AOE of thane is so unfocused shitters die, and u end up killin 3 mobs
woven coral
bladestorm is so fun to hit
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and dmg drops
rose matrix
I think Colossus is better if they fit the role and the tank uses funnel
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i mean in the dungeons u can yes
rose matrix
Slayer is the safe pick
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ONLY if funnel lives long enough btw 😄
rose matrix
Also the better pick in some dungeons
woven coral
im just having a hard time picking between fury slayer or arms slayer
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so if funnels lasts halfway through boss... then u got 15% more until u can start spammin execute and dmg goes up
its not hard for M+ its arms
funnel + prio dmg is better
woven coral
i see
rose matrix
Yeah Fury doesn't really compete with Arms
woven coral
gotcha
thorn stream
Yeah Fury doesn't really compete with Arms
Until they brake lightning strikes again
slow saddle
like u will hit wall of skill b4 spec matters atm
Also fury has the adv of not feeling like ASS Without a shaman
so theres also that
like slayer arms works without, but like with is just a lot better
as fury u dont notice rly
rose matrix
Yeah but they do negative prio
rose matrix
I tried it after the patch and it felt terrible compared to either Arms spec
pulsar frost
Isn't fury slayer prio the same tho
rose matrix
No
pulsar frost
You're spamming ramp and exe anyways
tiny wave
This evening i will test slayer arms in m+. I really really like Bladestorm. Its the ultimate arms immersion for me.
slow saddle
i mean prio being only main target slayer does well
slow saddle
This evening i will test slayer arms in m+. I really really like Bladestorm. Its...
i did 17s and tried some 18s
it does very well
easier to play
tiny wave
Nice to hear
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main issue vs col is the lack of tankiness
and being willing to actively use Dstance a lot more
pulsar frost
I've ran pretty much all my keys this week as slayer. Some fury keys to test buffa
Ran pit once on colo then 2 on slayer
tiny wave
Colossus feels bit clunky but also fun
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nono collosus is super clunky
pulsar frost
Colo feels smooth in aoe for me imo
slow saddle
due to rav not aligning
tiny wave
Yes
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and if theres any kind of RP // long movement
pulsar frost
But slayer feels pretty good besides rage
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well stacks are gone get recked
pulsar frost
God help our rage
rose matrix
I prefer Colossus aoe over Slayer by a lot
slow saddle
slayer has little rage issue
pulsar frost
Im fine with it
rose matrix
Its not bad
pulsar frost
Im not fine with running out of rage
soft sigil
Tactician proc rate is the real issue, halving it for most skills coming from tww and then not buffing rage gen
Too many dry spells without a proc at 30%
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Tactician proc rate is the real issue, halving it for most skills coming from tw...
yup
10 op is a lot
its more about like giving me something to press imho
idm it being Slam slam slam slam
when im unlucky AF
but if im struggeling for rage or gettin a lot of procs i dont mind if OP goes up in prio
pulsar frost
I dont want to hsve to be lucky for damage imo