arms

[minor gust]

xD

[dim basalt]

Especially CT

[latent moss]

hi napping

i did 119k on last boss magisters

no lust

[tacit crystal]

it seems having avatar at the start of boss

goes a long way

[hybrid needle]

119k seems massive

Was there an aug

[pulsar frost]

its probably more iether the other 2 dps was asleep or you get more sd luck

[bright marsh]

Slayer in ever dungeon

[nova marsh]

Without aug I think that's actually disgusting

Man bozo

I said this years ago

and was told "Na it's fine as a talent"

[halcyon valve]

🙏 mythic paladins at 5.1% 8 minutes left in raid

[wintry scroll]

Can someone explain to me new slayer prio pls

Gonna try it on magister 17

[neat locust]

question, is it normal to finish 14/15 keys with this gear at this dmg with slayer m+ build ? I need the st dmg, as the other one does crap dmg ST. But my overall si so low

[lean geode]

you don't take BL so line 8 doesn't really apply

that's in aoe ofc

[warped owl]

we had 1.4% as last pull...

[halcyon valve]

didnt kill 😔

[halcyon valve]

rip

[minor gust]

Holy proc lord

[lean geode]

Slayer will do less overall than colossus in general, but as you pointed out, it does much more single target. Your item level looks pretty low, so there are some easy gains to be had by just upgrading your current items

[undone knot]

Heyy greetings fellas, wanting to take a break from my Hunter (for obv reasons) and check out Arms. Running the M+ Colossus build - Is it wise to /castsequence Avatar/Ravager together, and Colossus Smash/Demolish together, given they're on same CD and often used in succession (assuming 10 stacks)?

reduce keybinds necessary

[lean geode]

They are not on the same cd

I mean they are, but some of those get cdr and some don't

[neat locust]

Glad to hear that, thanks for the reply, as long as there is potential.

[thick kelp]

his overall breakdown looks bad

like noway bs is above reap

and execute so low

[lean geode]

I'd recommend looking at Bizentein's youtube channel for how to play the execute slayer build in terms of rotation

[neat locust]

okay, thanks colossous and bigbowwl.. I had a feeling that I am doing something wrong.... ffs D:

[lean geode]

idk what slarms M+ breakdown is supposed to look like, I just clap

[undone knot]

Does Colossus Smash / Demolish get CDR? I'm still leveling right now so not sure if I'm missing those talents yet, haven't noticed the cdr currently. Those are the primary ones I want to /castsequence macro since I assume you always cast those two together

[lean geode]

Both do, and they get different amounts

[thick kelp]

its like reap cleave execute all tied up and then bs op ms drop down

rend somewhere near ms

[neat locust]

any pointers as to what could be improved? I know u dont have more indept info

[real iron]

anyone can help with fast guide for fastest dummies to get for prestack?

[thick kelp]

more exe, more op, less ms

[neat locust]

exe during aoe as well?

[thick kelp]

like way more exe

yeah

[minor gust]

Depending on the dungeon BS can be up there as well but yeah usually those 4 are all tied

[neat locust]

they are so RNG sometimes i get them 2 sometimes not at all

[neat locust]

thanks

[lean geode]

CS gets cdr from anger management, demolish gets cdr from the colossus capstone

[minor gust]

SD usage pretty common sense so I didn't add it in that prio

[wintry scroll]

what about talents i see a lot o talent variations

[latent moss]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148898720803586048/1503112216302326022/image.png?ex=6a0229d6&is=6a00d856&hm=ea923c8fed7a71b7249a1e05c0b4d987c8ccbc05cfb52da2e7dc45296ab335f7&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

exe lost...

that 119k was last boss

[minor gust]

This but drop mass execution for powerful sweep

[sacred zodiac]

self advertisement

[minor gust]

[latent moss]

cleave
exe with sd or high rage
op
exe
rend
ms

is aoe prio

[minor gust]

I'm famous now I got a shout-out from Biz so now I gotta start my online career

[neat locust]

so if i got three procs of cleave and i get 1 proc of exe, i smash 3 cleve then exe?

[latent moss]

yes

just follow prio

[neat locust]

thank you sir ❤️

[minor gust]

Change the name you are one of us now

[neat locust]

is this his latest guide, if someoen can confirm i'd apreriate you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsCiMCFdkfA

[latent moss]

its a bit outdated mainly the slayer massacre m+ build is missing

[wintry scroll]

thank you guys

[latent moss]

but everything else is up to date

[minor gust]

Colo part outdated with the 12.05 changes too

[latent moss]

yea

[wintry scroll]

so now you only press Ms on Cs ? outside of exec

[latent moss]

he said he isnt gonna do a new one cause not enough changes

[latent moss]

outside of exe phase u ms on cd

in exe u ms only with cs up

[minor gust]

Without MP talented you only press MS in exe phase with x2EP and CS

[neat locust]

is this correct?

[latent moss]

no

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148898720803586048/1502691916318245055/image.png?ex=6a01f3e7&is=6a00a267&hm=2bb2f9f760a1e3155d608c60c855bba50b955076d2a83f6e62be79f22b99e8a8&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[neat locust]

ah fuck me.

ur a champion, thank you

[latent moss]

np

[neat locust]

one more noob question here; when you say "rend" is that a reapply or an actual press?

[latent moss]

reapply

rend should be always up on aoe

[neat locust]

yea ok ❤️ thanks

[latent moss]

well up on opener

[neat locust]

yea thankfully i got that part right

[latent moss]

it can drop as there are buttons u would rather press

[neat locust]

Yea, makes sense, felt those situations,

[maiden moon]

question regarding the boss paladins* vangard: it seems critcake went slayer arms this week, is it better than coloss ?

[minor gust]

Sounds like a question for Critcake and not us

He was likely just trying it out

[maiden moon]

yeah i know but i wanted the general consensus ^^

ty anyway

[thick kelp]

its not better

most colossus logs do 40-50k more than his slayer

[pulsar frost]

seat 17 :D

i died twice tho

[vapid goblet]

thats very low no?

did the dk perma floor?

[ionic mica]

dk often feels like a roll of the dice until you find the actual good ones

[soft peak]

What does feral bring to the table

Crit ?

[deft bluff]

Claws

Maybe a pigeon or rabbit

[cold cargo]

so yall going colossus on all except sky and aa?

[rare kite]

druid buff

[wicked aurora]

Vers buff

And it’s a good tank

Extra brez class doesn’t hurt either

[wicked aurora]

Seems a bit low but hard to know without seeing the key

[mortal crag]

Huh

I'm sending slarms on pretty much almost anything unless I have a funnel route

[daring heron]

better for my sanity

[minor gust]

Lmao

Amen

[mortal crag]

Frozen bozo only has slayer in his talent tree BTW

I wouldn't be surprised if bro sent 0 demolishes entire season

[cold cargo]

u like the gameplay of it more?

[mortal crag]

I like my sanity more

[minor gust]

Nah Ive done some Colo keys not much tho xD

[mortal crag]

@daring heron alley ooped u there

[minor gust]

You try slayer on dragons that shit kinda slaps

[daring heron]

i didnt actually

i played thane this week and did some nice dam

[mortal crag]

Fake news

[daring heron]

but can see slarms doing ok there too

[cold cargo]

ive rerolled all my gear to arms, but lowkey dont even know what to play now

[minor gust]

I cooked some weird ass build for slarms dragons

[daring heron]

i think i played slayer fury for most bosses actually

[mortal crag]

Play both?

[cold cargo]

no gear for fury

:(

[mortal crag]

Slarms is completely fine on 21s

And 22s

[daring heron]

slayer arms on saladbar

[mortal crag]

U can send either hero spec

[daring heron]

and i tried it on paladins too but wasnt good

[mortal crag]

UwU

Crirty

How was spamingg

The rogue

[daring heron]

he seems p good

[mortal crag]

Friend of mine

[midnight mural]

Speedy bangs

[mortal crag]

Get him good

Boost him

[mortal crag]

Uhh no actually YOU bang

[minor gust]

I sent this for dragons but now that I look at it was pretty stupid to take mass execution prob shoulda taken the op execute talent

[cold cargo]

slarms more fun but number in aoe not so high :(

[daring heron]

yeah i did something similar on paladins actually

[cold cargo]

not tingling my brain so much

but number on boss better

[mortal crag]

Why not high lol

I'm keeping up pretty well

[cold cargo]

not so high as colossus I mean

[mortal crag]

Idk 300+ on packs is fine

[minor gust]

There's more to a key than aoe

Which is why slarms shines

[cold cargo]

but higher number :(

tho my overall

seems still fairly equal

[mortal crag]

I mean we get it but

[minor gust]

You will still top overall as slayer

[daring heron]

i did this maisara today as slarms

[mortal crag]

Like if ur issue is wanting to top the meter maybe play dk

[mortal crag]

Fake

[deft bluff]

Jesus critscake

[cold cargo]

:,)

[minor gust]

Slarms owns die Colo die

Having so much fun with this execute build

Just spamming execute

[latent moss]

show breakdown..

[cold cargo]

maybe I gotta get some more runs in with slayer

[daring heron]

i dont have it

[cold cargo]

seems way more fun tbh

[latent moss]

gg

[minor gust]

MC likely not to have execute as top dmg

[mortal crag]

Honestly slarms fucks

[daring heron]

found it

[mortal crag]

Its playable on everything

[cold cargo]

imma get some more reps in

currently only tried it in AA and Sky

and felt good

[daring heron]

ew aug

[rare kite]

[ancient shuttle]

About to try arms for the first time in M+, Should i take thunderclap to put rend on all targets?

[crystal rain]

Dont need to

rend is aoe

[ancient shuttle]

oh didn't realize that. i have honestly only been prot for 2 expansions

What is the base rotation i need to be using?

[maiden moon]

anyone can tell me the skill priority 2 target as colossus ? currently trying on vanguard but when there is a two target situation I don't know what more efficient

[thick kelp]

wowhead

2T = 1T

[autumn nexus]

Slayer war was doing pretty nutty reap the storm damage still, and overpower being #1 dmg on bosses felt so weird

[spark mango]

guys, if i do a 100 parse, how long does it have to stay so my log remains

24h?

[pulsar frost]

17 sky

yes demo lock and bm were nonexistence

[minor gust]

press execute more

[wintry scroll]

it was a troll screenshot

[minor gust]

oh

[wintry scroll]

that was first pull then we called the key

xd

[wintry scroll]

why are u hiding the name

xqc

[pulsar frost]

so you cant see my dogshit logs

duh

[thick sage]

Hi guys!! New to the warrior i heard it’s good!!! See you after i do 20 resil

[wintry scroll]

it's not

[pulsar frost]

do you folks still prefer colo in caverns

[thick sage]

fuck

too late

[wintry scroll]

i feel like colo was made for maisara

tbh

every boss has aoe

[pulsar frost]

even second boss? third is a maybe

[thick sage]

done 19 resil as healer but now i want to become man again

[pulsar frost]

but totems die to quick

[wintry scroll]

second always has mobs if u beg ur tank to pull mobs on top

[wintry scroll]

play some meta spec if u don't wanna spend 2 hours in queue

brown = decline

[thick sage]

i heard arms is meta

[daring heron]

slarms owns

[minor gust]

[thick sage]

we call warrior = poop in korean server

[wintry scroll]

exactly

[latent moss]

time to cook slarms funnel apl @minor gust

[thick sage]

pretty much the same situation

[minor gust]

press cleave

[wintry scroll]

guys do you usually reflect on your life while waiting for rage in execute phase ?

[latent moss]

i think its more nuanced than that cause

[wintry scroll]

i've started to do that lately

[latent moss]

unlike colossus slayer has good buttons to press

[latent moss]

be more aggressive on op usage

[wintry scroll]

trust me i try but it's grey

[latent moss]

u dont really want to execute if u have less than say 80 rage

unless an auto is coming

[spark mango]

yep, stick to not executing below 70-80 and using wrecking trhow, charge weave etc

its really not that bad

[minor gust]

idk like how would you play slarms any different in a 3+ target funnel situaiton. Only thing that comes to mind is doing a Cleave > MS > OP for max CS uptime on main mob. Then once you can execute you just spam the fuck outta cleave executes

[wintry scroll]

[ruby creek]

Hey all, what talent should I be looking to cut if I want to play Bloodsurge as Slayer in an m+ group with no shaman? I've got a few sims removing PM and Massacre but idk if there's a better candidate to cut

[mortal crag]

You can play slayer with no shaman

I did it

[minor gust]

Bloodsurge wont save you

the rage gen in ST is fuck all

and you dont need the rage in aoe

[mortal crag]

Yep

Colo needs it cuz Colo doesn't generate rage on opener

[spark mango]

guys, do you know how many hours need to pass so my log remains?

idk how to phrase that question

[latent moss]

24

[spark mango]

damn

[mortal crag]

@latent moss my tank is resi 21 soon

https://tenor.com/view/leech-leechgang-goober-goobleech-dance-gif-18143770559682158731

[minor gust]

colo also just has the extra point to use it on xD nothing better to put that bloodsurge point into for colo

[mortal crag]

I mean yeah but go aoe and don't press rend

Tell me how u feel

Then press rend

Tell me how u feel

Colo needs it

Slayer doesn't

[minor gust]

thats what happens when they remove rage gen from all our cds

#revert ravager or just remove that dogshit

[ruby creek]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8QoyUNcLvWWsjvQ9P17z5Z

This is my slarms 1t m+ build sim with no skyfury, and it looks like cutting either massacre or PM for bloodsurge is a gain, was just asking if there was a better cut talent candidate

[mortal crag]

Also why make cs not give rage lmao

[minor gust]

CS gives 15 rage if you take the talent

[mortal crag]

:Chatting:

Die frozenbozo die!!

[minor gust]

again bloodsurge is a wasted point its not gonna help you

[ruby creek]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ppaRH1gWj6kfpYDnck6F2z

This is the 5t sim with no skyfury, the default build is also worse than either build that cuts a talent for Bloodsurge, so there's definitely some kind of gain to finding a way to play Bloodsurge with no shaman I think

[ruby creek]

Is the sim wrong? It is showing that it's a gain in both ST and AoE to play it over massacre or PM

in a group with no skyfury

[minor gust]

of course its a gain when you comparing it to PM xD

in ST

[untold pewter]

Finally alleria dead holy crap fuck that fight

Constantly forced to be out of melee

[ruby creek]

It's a gain on aoe also

[untold pewter]

[safe vigil]

it's almost entirely out of date, i dont recommend watching it anymore

[latent moss]

i found

something very cursed

u can gain a bit more funnel

in execute

[ruby creek]

So it's just a gain overall to play bloodsurge when you have no skyfury, I think

I was just asking if someone had an idea of the best talent(s) to cut to find a way to slot it in

[minor gust]

do tell

[sacred zodiac]

can you find good raid design for s2 please

[rare kite]

lowkey i think you just accept not playing with bloodsurge @ruby creek

yea it sucks not having a shaman but what can you od

do

[ruby creek]

Playing bloodsurge sims higher on all target counts with no skyfury for my character

[mortal crag]

Horrible Sim

There is not a single scenario in m+ where u do 5 targets for 5 mins

[sacred zodiac]

you havent seen my keys

[mortal crag]

If u wanna be pedantic for m+ u can run
1t 4m
3t 4m
8t/10t 1m/1.5m

Then do those with and without bl

3t is very niche it's like 3 boss fights lol

[thick sage]

where is the latest guide

[mortal crag]

Right here

[thick sage]

im noob princess plz help

[rare kite]

wowhead

good

[thick sage]

it good?

many thanks

[mortal crag]

Hi mutou :3

[rare kite]

hi ragish

[mortal crag]

Mutou stopped coming to my streams now that Im washed

[latent moss]

false alarm

its within variance

to cleave with hs up only

[rare kite]

need to be on the streamer thing, purple colour when live

[mortal crag]

True

I need to ask xan again

I've been streaming a lot more frequently lately

[latent moss]

@hexed saddle give the goat his red name...

[mortal crag]

Xan giveth and xan taketh away

https://tenor.com/view/kiashyy-made-by-kiashyy-god-gif-gif-2002863003236560690

[hexed saddle]

what if i said i dont want to

[minor gust]

F for Ragish

[mortal crag]

I'd be quite sad

[untold pewter]

It's joever

[sacred zodiac]

Hello xantage

[hexed saddle]

hi

happy mothers day

[mortal crag]

It's Jover

[hexed saddle]

to all the mothers out there

[mortal crag]

Happy mums day

[latent moss]

xantage...

[ruby creek]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1qo162iu4jESKULp2mUdsE

10t 90s, no massacre -> bloodsurge outperforms the default slarms build with no skyfury

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wbc1qhqTdpdFkQJRpfVav7

3t 4m, no massacre -> bloodsurge outperforms the default slarms build with no skyfury

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rx3Zhq7cxGcMJXKb45Cudk

1t 4m, no massacre -> bloodsurge outperforms the default slarms build with no skyfury

[mortal crag]

Xan I've been getting like 3+ viewers pretty consistently...

It's been going quite good..

[latent moss]

red name = more viewers..

[mortal crag]

That wasn't even with a raid

And it was like a short 1-2hr stream..

[sacred zodiac]

this simply must be true

[mortal crag]

https://imgur.com/mftGPmI

@hexed saddle whadda ya say pal

For old times sake?

[ruby creek]

It also outperforms by like 4+% in bloodlust as well on 10t and 1t at least

I was just asking what our least valuable talent is that we can look to cut to play bloodsurge since it clearly seems to be a gain in a group with no skyfury, that's all

[hexed saddle]

i wont decide rn

[ruby creek]

and my assumption was either massacre or PM

[hexed saddle]

too tired

[latent moss]

gio proved it

[mortal crag]

I totally respect it ngl

[sacred zodiac]

gio streams wuthering waves more than he streams wow

[mortal crag]

I gave my gf some sushi and roses

And said it's from our dog

[latent moss]

and ragish cant get red name

tyranny...

[mortal crag]

I sit like a king in lfg

[hexed saddle]

beast mode

[mortal crag]

On a throne, alone

[latent moss]

can we get a 20% execute buff

[minor gust]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dX3iLNdNhK8vr1jV8Bq6nh
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1KUGFgWwRAGsNCS2Ph1hLe
hmm im getting the same. If this was something you wanted to do its a drop PM angle

[mortal crag]

While gio runs around frolicking in the waves that wuther

[latent moss]

need more execute buffs

[ruby creek]

Yeah I mean I think it's going to feel better as well no? It's rage gen

[mortal crag]

How is it a drop pm angle if all of his Sims tell him to drop Massacre

[latent moss]

cant drop massacre

[minor gust]

cant indeed

[latent moss]

cause its epic

[minor gust]

you are going all in on execute

[ruby creek]

Dropping PM for bloodsurge looks like a very small (-.3%?) dps loss in aoe

[minor gust]

not really cuz again the ST rage gen from bloodsurge is a pretty meaningless amount

[latent moss]

seems kinda weird ngl

[mortal crag]

But it's literally a dps gain to drop Massacre

[latent moss]

wait

can u rerun sims

[ruby creek]

Oh sorry

[latent moss]

with

[ruby creek]

It's a loss on 4t

[red dock]

is there a weekly 10s slayer arms m+ build?

[latent moss]

give me 2 min

[ruby creek]

But dropping PM for bloodsurge is a gain on 10 targ

on 10t 90s no lust

[minor gust]

idk something also just doesnt feel like its adding up right

need a sim wizard on the case

[ruby creek]

I mean I'm willing to believe I'm wrong

I don't really know anything

[latent moss]

can u rerun sims with

in the custom apl

[mortal crag]

Cone stop being smart

[latent moss]

wait

this apl is giga cooked

ok this one is good

[mortal crag]

@hexed saddle can we ban cone for sandbagging warriors with custom apl?

[latent moss]

bro no way bsurge is outsimming

pm

on aoe

[mortal crag]

Run the Sim urself lil vro

🥀🥀

[latent moss]

effort

🥀

[mortal crag]

But sending a fucking custom apl isn't?

We're fried

[minor gust]

beating massacre in ST which is weird af

[mortal crag]

I kinda get st though?

[latent moss]

idk if thats weird

[ruby creek]

OK I sim

[mortal crag]

Slayer st no skyfury is omega fried in exec phase

[minor gust]

but you get like 100 rage over a fight with bloodsurge

thats like nothing

[mortal crag]

How do u know u get only 100

[ruby creek]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ixYbbE8hkpUqaPbZmyz76K

[minor gust]

you can check it in logs

[ruby creek]

This is with your APL

[mortal crag]

But what if those ticks line u up for hitting an ability u otherwise wouldn't which procs sd/resets?

[ruby creek]

Cutting Massacre for Bloodsurge is +3.9% on AoE

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iyv1m8YW9jgKxoccqdb7TQ

This is single target 4m, same APL

[latent moss]

id suggest playing with a shaman

[ruby creek]

My char is kind of a rat don't worry about that

[latent moss]

xddd

[ruby creek]

I mean obviously

[latent moss]

this is so fried

[ruby creek]

But it seems like we can claw back

A decent amount of dps maybe

[mortal crag]

So bloodsurge literally a dps gain

When no sham

Interesting

[neat locust]

Thank you for the reply. I’d you take new requests then I would ask you kindly to make a new one 🙏🏼 noobs like me would appreciate it much

[minor gust]

it plays fine without a shaman just dont overcap OP charges

[mortal crag]

Ur not clawing back anything

Shaman let's u play the better talent

[ruby creek]

It's like 4% on aoe for changing out massacre, and it's 1% on ST for changing out massacre

[mortal crag]

Ur inherently losing damage by picking a worse talent to offset not having shaman

[ruby creek]

I'm not choosing to not have a shaman sometimes you just don't have a shaman lol

[hasty pumice]

slowly seeing the slayer arms vision 🙏

[mortal crag]

Yeah it's a spa fain

Dps gain

[hasty pumice]

so fucking weird to learn imo

[mortal crag]

Bro went full Russian

[minor gust]

good of you to finally convert

[hasty pumice]

idk russians love the drphilliam name

[hasty pumice]

i just play whats better

[mortal crag]

Russians r hit or miss

Was it mc21?

[hasty pumice]

biz and critcake spam slayer in every key?

me play

yes

[mortal crag]

why is that a jumspcsre

I wanted normal monkey

[hasty pumice]

slarms plays insanely weirdly

I much prefer col

[minor gust]

to me it plays how arms should play

[mortal crag]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-sad-monkey-sad-edit-monkey-edit-üzgün-maymun-gif-15640172319982461811

[minor gust]

I love it

[mortal crag]

@hasty pumice how u felt past 2 days

[hasty pumice]

I dont like that MS is

insane garbage

[mortal crag]

Thematically slayer pressing execute makes a lot of sense though

[latent moss]

its garbage as colo too u just have nothing else to press

and it gives cm

[mortal crag]

Like it's built around execute

[hasty pumice]

it has a purpose

and it fulfills the purpose

[latent moss]

hits for mickey mouse damage

[hasty pumice]

you're mickey mouse

[latent moss]

truth..

[mortal crag]

The only purpose it has is to get cm

[minor gust]

tbf its mostly because execute recieved a 20% buff and they forgot about MS xD

[hasty pumice]

ik

buff MS by 20%

and we gucci

not totally op

[mortal crag]

Why stop at 20

Buff ms by quadrillion%

[latent moss]

nerf cleave by 40% buff demo by 40% buff ms by 30%

[mortal crag]

5 gajillion beers please

[latent moss]

might need

a 400000% demo buff

[hasty pumice]

psure

we're like

one more buff away from giga broken

lol

[mortal crag]

Nope

We're still too niche

[hasty pumice]

[latent moss]

hello niche community

[hasty pumice]

sure

[mortal crag]

(were actually doing great but people r brain damaged)

Like slarms is unironically great for Dk ret meta now lol

[latent moss]

ret is like

slarms lite

[mortal crag]

Slarms dk ret is such a strong combo now

[hasty pumice]

funny

[mortal crag]

U know what I hate

[hasty pumice]

how we all want to imitate DK

but we are all just budget DKs

[mortal crag]

Ret dumbasses trying to calculate their funnel

I did some really baseline sims

[hasty pumice]

when will it be triple DK meta?

[mortal crag]

For a ret to have a st increase during exec sentence window they need like 8 mobs

[latent moss]

xd

[mortal crag]

Or more

[latent moss]

art procs more

cause crusading strikes is aeo

aoe*

[mortal crag]

Art?

[latent moss]

art of war

boj proc

[mortal crag]

Idk

Like ok go run a ret Sim

[latent moss]

apex buffs it by like

9 billion %

[mortal crag]

Grab some high parsing ret rn

Run pure ST

Then run 3target 4min

Watch the main target dam

Then run 5target 1min

[latent moss]

which realm is melee

[mortal crag]

Huh

[latent moss]

ret player

[mortal crag]

No clue

[latent moss]

he was giga high rio early season idk

if he is high rio now

[mortal crag]

I mean u don't even need high parse

[latent moss]

qrva it is

[mortal crag]

U just need high ilvl I guess

And m+ talents

[latent moss]

ye

[mortal crag]

Just check diff scenarios lol

Since their exec sentence is 10s?

[latent moss]

ok qrva in m+ buiild

[mortal crag]

So what I did is I ran like
5t, 8t, 10t
Then I did 20s 40s 1min

And it just

Like once past the 20s mark they just don't even touch Colo funnel level lmao

And they need more than 6 mobs

[latent moss]

they funnel a lot with es but thats it

[mortal crag]

Yes but it's once a min for 10s

[latent moss]

once es is gone

y

[mortal crag]

Yeah so when they omega fucking send divine storms on a boss fight

With only 4 mobs of funnel

They're doing less st

Plus they're ruining YOUR st

But if u tell them that they'll just disagree lmao

I've had rets tell me "no one beats me first boss academy"

I did 17mil there

Never seen a ret pass like 15mil there idk

[latent moss]

idk man

ahh design

having to choose aoe vs st finisher

[mortal crag]

It's not when that

Bro

It's simple

Ur going less than 7 mobs?

Send st finishers

End of story

[latent moss]

101k on st 5min

[mortal crag]

(assuming there's a prio target)

[latent moss]

90k on 8t 5min

[mortal crag]

Told u

Literally dps loss lmao

Funnel my ass

I told a ret dude that and be goes "idgaf about sims, I have insane funnel"

[latent moss]

but muh

i funnel!!

[mortal crag]

Bro just cuz the ability says funnel doesn't mean it functions the way u think it does

Degens

[latent moss]

they barely beat

colo on funnel

on 8t 20s

btw

and thats like the most favorable sim

possible

[mortal crag]

I KNOW

THEY BARELY BEAT IT

They ONLY beat Colo on big pulls

THAT'S it

And once the 20s are over it plummets

So if u do a 10t 1min it's not even close

Or 10t 1.5min

[latent moss]

ye qrva is

50k behind me on 8t 1min

prio dmg

[mortal crag]

BUT MY FUNNEL

[latent moss]

160k vs 110k

160k is absurd man

what the fuck

[mortal crag]

Legit not even close

Everyone sees the 3mil exec sentence and goes "omg what's that nuke"

Buddy I've been sending fucking 200k cleaves 6 gcds in a row

[latent moss]

the heroic strike from fob hitting for 300k

[mortal crag]

What are we even comparing

[latent moss]

the slam from fob hitting for 150k

[mortal crag]

Lmao

[latent moss]

every global

[mortal crag]

Legit

[latent moss]

man slayer is really close to colo what the helly

15k diff

[mortal crag]

Slayer FUCKS

Idk how but it feels even more prio

Probs exec spam

[latent moss]

idk i cant tell

mob explodes anyway

[mortal crag]

Makes me feel like I'm just chain sawing shit

[latent moss]

the animation and sound effect...

[hybrid needle]

Everyone a slayer these days

[mortal crag]

I just wanted slayer to return

[latent moss]

there is just so much weight

[mortal crag]

My host

My goat

[latent moss]

behind sweeped executes

[mortal crag]

Sudden death procs

Umf

The slayer strike spin

https://tenor.com/view/meme-memes-gif-27210956

[hybrid needle]

Sometimes executing gives me so much dopamine that i forget to ss

[mortal crag]

its a gain to spam execute because it makes me gain happiness

[rare kite]

gotta add a sound when SS expires. i got a big anvil sound

[mortal crag]

https://tenor.com/view/the-goat-black-guy-gif-17430395050241842763

[minor gust]

it is very dopamine inducing when you execute 4 times in a row

[mortal crag]

Mines just tts

[hybrid needle]

Especially when you exeqt > sd > exeqt > sd

[mortal crag]

Wait frozen did u see my 2 bladestorm in one cs window?

[minor gust]

no but I believe it

[mortal crag]

It'll make ur tip sticky

[minor gust]

SD and slayer strikes can go crazy

[mortal crag]

@minor gust

@minor gust

@minor gust

22 seconds of Colo smash debuff

[minor gust]

slayer moment

[mortal crag]

The same smash

[indigo quail]

Hmm i feel the need

The need for a new char

[mortal crag]

Lmao

[thick sage]

i’m scared

[mortal crag]

Imagine

[thick sage]

thought arms was best after 3 meta specs

[mortal crag]

22 FUCKING SECONDS

[thick sage]

what if not…

[indigo quail]

Maybe a Human Warrior now

[mortal crag]

OF ONE WINDOW

[rose matrix]

Feels like Dev, Aug, Unholy, and Demo basically clear everything else

[rare kite]

stop overthinking. if you like arms play arms, it's strong

[rose matrix]

Pretty sure you could throw Unholy in a full phys comp and it'd still beat Arms outside of a few dungeons maybe

[mortal crag]

Holy dooming

Someone get this guy a

[rose matrix]

I'm not dooming

Never said Arms was bad

Just kinda insane how good some of these specs are compared to the rest

[hybrid needle]

Well its true but who cares about those ranged classes

[mortal crag]

Welcome to metas

[minor gust]

phys comp still exists and it will continue to exist

[hybrid needle]

I just want bloodlust

[rose matrix]

Yeah that's what is funny

[dusty slate]

what skill does warrior funnel come from?

[rose matrix]

You can throw unholy in any comp and it just does the best lol

[hybrid needle]

Fervor of battle

Colossal might also huge

[latent moss]

a lot of things

[rose matrix]

Just funny that if you play aug, dk, or mage

You hit the meta at least every other season

Very good meta changes

[hybrid needle]

Wdym every other season

[rose matrix]

MB

[hybrid needle]

When was the last season dk wasnt meta

[rose matrix]

dk is every season

TWW s2

TWW s3

Oh

I misread

[hybrid needle]

Frost dk still is dk

[rose matrix]

I don't mind metas but m+ meta just swaps between the sames classes now

For the most part

[hybrid needle]

DH also p much always a good bet.
Either tank or havoc have always been great. Now its ddh

Would argue better pick than mage for meta

[boreal bay]

quick question: can warrior leap and skip in SEAT before 3rd boss?

[marble needle]

If you stop caring about those specs and just enjoy arms while still clearing all content levels and high keys then you'll realize how much fun you are playing the game on a spec you enjoy playing.

[hybrid needle]

Meta isnt about fun

[mortal crag]

Yes

The 2 big ones

[rose matrix]

I mean warriors are saved by phys comp

I feel bad about the specs that aren't meta that don't fit it

[latent moss]

warriors are kinda saving the phys comp atp im ngl

[boreal bay]

tyty

[mortal crag]

Yeh

It's the other way around lol

Not phys saving warrior

[twin lodge]

Is this a normal looking breakdown for slayer

[mortal crag]

No

[rose matrix]

I just mean we wouldn't really be invited outside of phys comp

[mortal crag]

Immediate no

[latent moss]

meh

obv not over ddh or unholy

[twin lodge]

What should the order look like?

[rose matrix]

Also our spec feel depends so heavily on a shaman buff it's crazy

[latent moss]

but u could flex an arms into all meta comps

[mortal crag]

"I'm not dooming"

Proceeds dooming for 15min straight

[rose matrix]

You can

[latent moss]

u play rsham anyway

and bear

or brew

[rose matrix]

You misunderstand dooming. I'm not saying Arms is bad at all I am confused

[mortal crag]

Yeah rn with slarms u can send almost all comps now tbf

[rose matrix]

Just basically saying what I see

[latent moss]

saw people here say dps warriors are being brought for bshout

[mortal crag]

But what ur seeing is just meta

[latent moss]

literally made me cringe

[marble needle]

Atleast were not rogue

[rose matrix]

Rogue is practically brought in the same way we are

In phys

[minor gust]

Lmao not like our dmg is pretty good or anything

[latent moss]

insane dmg + good util + unkillable

[minor gust]

this season feels like the best arms has been since legion for M+ Its so good we have 2 viable specs

[mortal crag]

That's bait

[latent moss]

100%

[latent moss]

yep

[rose matrix]

I see Outlaw a ton in my keys I get in

[mortal crag]

Yes. But it's not for the same reason ur being brought in

[stable fiber]

if you only had context of beta you would think 0 people are playing arms

[latent moss]

i called it

during beta

[mortal crag]

Outlaw is filler because outlaw fills 3rd dps spot niche and rounds the comp out

But you can exchange outlaw

[minor gust]

only took them reverting every single beta nerf to get us here

[rare kite]

plus some extra buffs as well

[minor gust]

well except DN they didnt rebuff that at all

which is sadge

[rare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1290682458689507361/1388904310410186752/20250629_172916.gif

[mortal crag]

Beta fury looks good
Gets 50 nerfs on m0 week
Wait 3 weeks
Get 4 buffs in a row
Become mid

[latent moss]

plays like shit

[mortal crag]

Lowkirkenuely don't get how it's enjoyable this season

[latent moss]

i very much dislike fury

currently

[rose matrix]

Fury feels way worse than Arms

Arms prio is just way better

[latent moss]

arms is just better at everything

in m+

[rose matrix]

Fury feels better to play tho imo

has for a long time

[minor gust]

I dont like midnight fury

[stable fiber]

the apex fucking sucks

F tier apex

[mortal crag]

Bring back tww s3

[minor gust]

but I also havent touched it since expansion launch

[stable fiber]

boring and makes the gameplay worse

[mortal crag]

It's SOOOOO BAD

It sounds so dope on paper j

[rose matrix]

I was really wishing they used part of the tier set from s3 in warrior this xpac

But they didn't

[mortal crag]

Then u run it and it's fuckin dogshit

[rare kite]

it needs to increase the ragecost of rampage not reduce it imo. get so much extra rage in reck anyway

[mortal crag]

Make ramp cost 120 rage

[minor gust]

100 rage rampage big dmg

new animation

[mortal crag]

Then it makes the whole thing more intuitive

[minor gust]

could go crazy

[mortal crag]

ADD FLAMES N SHIT

[rare kite]

exactly

[pulsar frost]

if you delevel a resi key to the level below it is it still resi for that level or

[mortal crag]

Increase ramp cost by 25% and damage by 25%

[minor gust]

shouldnt be a problem too since its only in reck window

[mortal crag]

During reck window

Holy peak it'd solve the entire fury issue

Ramp becomes prio during reck

And u have enough of a gap between using ramp and other stuff cuz u have to reach at least 100

[rose matrix]

Ramp is prio during reck

already at 100 fury lol

rage*

[mortal crag]

It's unintuitive when it costs 50 and u have spare gcds and generate more rage while u have procs happening

[latent moss]

i love having to press ww in aoe

in big 26

🥀

even arms got qol with broad strokes

[mortal crag]

My strokes r broad

[latent moss]

of doesnt give ww stacks

[minor gust]

bandaid QOL fucking SS should just be off the gcd

[manic river]

I tried a bit of Slayer arms and it felt pretty nice. Is it still very on par with colo?

[mortal crag]

It's great yes

[minor gust]

on par if not better in most scenarios

[mortal crag]

U can send it on any key and it won't be troll

[latent moss]

true but its blizzard

[manic river]

Nice

[mortal crag]

The only two exceptions are Mc and pos

[rose matrix]

The SS and Rend combo feels great

[mortal crag]

if your tank properly funnels

[manic river]

One of those rare ocasions where both builds are good

[latent moss]

first time

[minor gust]

very rare

[latent moss]

since release

slayer is good in m+

[stable fiber]

the reap change off ms sucks but in hindsight it was pretty needed

[rose matrix]

Keep in mind I still get in 19s for PoS where tanks don't funnel for first boss. So you can even take Slayer there in pugs

[mortal crag]

Putting reap on cleave was a goated move

[minor gust]

I was very surprised when they actually did slayer tuning this week

[mortal crag]

Can't say the same for putting reap on rampage

[minor gust]

I fully thought it was gonna be ignored and slayer dead

[latent moss]

when will mr "bad weapon 22k sim dps 50mil damage in keys xan skyhold BLUE name twitter warrior egirl slayer silver junkrat in ow2" give ragish his red name...

[mortal crag]

LMAOOOOOO

[manic river]

Wow, I cannot think of doing +19 for now..

[mortal crag]

he's just eepy

[manic river]

Max for me is 13-14

[rare kite]

ngl i was very surprised at any tuning at all. i thought it would just end with us being left in the dirt and top specs untouched

had zero faith

[latent moss]

need MORE execute juice

[minor gust]

Xan wtb yellow name need more arms yellows

[latent moss]

juice execute more

more juice

1 more 20% buff

[mortal crag]

When will we be piss...

[stable fiber]

slayer boss dps is just best in game now in m+ i think

actually goated

[mortal crag]

Cone deserves piss for sure

[latent moss]

i got something for you

[minor gust]

eh Sub rogue cranks bosses

[mortal crag]

All 4 of them?

[latent moss]

last boss magisters

[minor gust]

I struggle to beat my buddy on boss dmg unless I have funnel

[mortal crag]

WHAT

[minor gust]

hes def one of them xD

[mortal crag]

Ok no wtf

How

[minor gust]

he procd

hard

[stable fiber]

does that have lust

or just procs

[latent moss]

no

[minor gust]

probably also sent pot

[latent moss]

no lust

[mortal crag]

That's like

[latent moss]

xdddddd

[mortal crag]

A 120% parse

LMAO

Bro sims for 95k and does 120k

[latent moss]

slayer moment

no monk buff either

[mortal crag]

Double bladestorm

[latent moss]

ok i didnt proc that much

[mortal crag]

No druid buff either

[latent moss]

i think my shit just crit

[rose matrix]

His other 2 dps were doing nothing as well so he got to pump even harder

[mortal crag]

14 sudden death procs in 10 seconds LULW

[stable fiber]

hmm

random dk beat me

[latent moss]

i had rank 1 seat boss damage for like 2 weeks at some point

as slayer

like a month ago

[stable fiber]

2nd place doesnt count that was before nerfs

[mortal crag]

Based

Eep time

Maybe I wake up red name?

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-thinking-monkey-thinking-think-money-gif-9734025314392564509

[latent moss]

damn fury owning boss damage on chimaerus 2nd p1..

nvm...

just give

manaforge 2pc

and its so peak

[mortal crag]

Gn cone...

[minor gust]

2pc would be like giving crack to this version of slayer

[mortal crag]

Cone can u send me full priority list for all slayer situations.. Thank u..

In dms por favor

[latent moss]

u have them no

[latent moss]

gn goat

[mortal crag]

Yes but I want u to DM them to me

[earnest imp]

Did any of the guys dok arch or krisp normally stream, looking to see what they did on thr arms bird kill

[mortal crag]

:3

[rare kite]

yea it would be great. no jugg either so it would feel so goddamn nice

[mortal crag]

Maybe keys stream tomorrow/Tuesday

[wicked aurora]

So does this mean you're only pressing MS in CS window in execute range in ST?

[stable fiber]

yes

[minor gust]

it would lessen the bad rng moments but it would be like giving a steroid instead of fixing the RNG issue

[wicked aurora]

based execute spam

[rare kite]

in keys yes. in raid it does not mena that, mouse over the blue question mark

mean

[wicked aurora]

yeah I'm aware, the question mark is moused over

[rare kite]

ohh lmaoo i did not see that

ahahha

[keen siren]

So you just spam execute and don’t use the 2 stacks of EP?

[wicked aurora]

With the new massacre build for slayer is there a point at which exe takes more prio in aoe? Or just keep doing what we've been doing in anything 3+ targets?

[rare kite]

https://tenor.com/view/ronnie-coleman-bodybuilder-row-gif-20432636

i want the steroid

[wicked aurora]

you do in ST, but just during CS

[minor gust]

[keen siren]

What about in aoe situations

[fathom spire]

As far as I know it’s cleave > sudden death > overpower > execute in aoe

[wicked aurora]

Idk wowhead seems the same

[keen siren]

Right but when u get 2 stacks of EP wouldn’t u wanna send the ms before u keep pressing execute

[wicked aurora]

not sure why Archi would update ST but not AoE

so I assume it's the same as prior to the buffs

[latent moss]

aoe:
cleave
exe with sd or high rage
op
ms
rend

[minor gust]

the real but unhelpful answer is arms is all about feels

[rare kite]

it's for tierset purposes we do so in cs

[minor gust]

feel the right button to press!

[latent moss]

100%

especially op vs exe

[minor gust]

yup

[rare kite]

lowkey i have no fkn clue what's happening when i play arms. i just press stuff and somehow logs are decent

[stable fiber]

^

[minor gust]

but as for a guide for a general audience Archi is gonna make it as simple as possible

[stable fiber]

you just push the buttons

button glows = push it

99 parses

[keen siren]

To me personally I don’t like sitting on 2 stacks of EP and just spamming execute but idk

[stable fiber]

you can use them

i do in st always

[fathom spire]

Yeah unless you have sudden death you’d use them

[keen siren]

But u guys said only during CS

[fathom spire]

Well in AoE

[keen siren]

what if cs isn’t up

[fathom spire]

St is different I guess lmao

[rose matrix]

If cs isn't up during execute you're just spamming execute and op

[keen siren]

Oh ok I get it

But during cs u press ms more

[fathom spire]

Yeah sorry in execute phase it changes obviously lmao

[keen siren]

Basically

To extend it

[latent moss]

ST non-exe:
hs
sd
ms
op
rend
slam

exe phase:
hs
ms 2ep+cs
sd
exe if high rage
op
exe

aoe:
cleave
exe with sd or high rage
op
exe
ms
rend

ms>rend is a tiny bit more prio dmg and a bit less aoe

this is for m+ massacre ct build

[minor gust]

stealing this to copy paste to ppl

[stable fiber]

can i get a tldr

[latent moss]

press button

just keep pressing something

[fathom spire]

Yeah just pin that tbh lol

[stable fiber]

oh yeah thats another thing i want to mention

[latent moss]

arms type shi

[stable fiber]

i feel like people think about the rotation too much and lose gcds

[minor gust]

im far to lazy to keep typing that shit out

[stable fiber]

pushing buttons that are shit > losing gcds

[minor gust]

typed out the prio enough times on tues and wed

[latent moss]

same

[rare kite]

they 100% do

[latent moss]

i changed it a bit

[minor gust]

no one reads the pins anways

[latent moss]

forgot to include regular exe

[fathom spire]

What about AoE with 1 or more targets in execute

[latent moss]

aoe is 3t+

and u follow aoe rota

[keen siren]

Basically u just spam execute but if u have cs u press ms to extend it

[fathom spire]

Lmao

[keen siren]

In exe phase

[fathom spire]

That’s what I currently do

Cuz it sounds cool

Cleave > all of course

[latent moss]

not really

read it again i guess i have to clarify

exe>op with high rage

[fathom spire]

Right don’t want to waste rage

[latent moss]

exe or op is a feel question really

[fathom spire]

But overpower strong in AoE

[latent moss]

if u try to sim it

[keen siren]

But in pure st

[latent moss]

it doesnt matter what breakpoint u use for rage

yes in pure st

exe vs op is feel based

[keen siren]

U would press exe over op

[latent moss]

unless u have sd

not really

if i have 50 rage im not pressing execute over op

[keen siren]

Oh ok

I gotcha

[latent moss]

but this sort of thing just comes from playing arms enough

[minor gust]

if theres 5 or less targets and prio target is in execute range im pressing execute as much as I can instead of OP

[latent moss]

u get a feel for your rage

[minor gust]

fuck the extra DN dmg its executing time

[latent moss]

technically

[keen siren]

Right that’s kinda what I’ve been doing

[latent moss]

opportunist op is always above exe

[keen siren]

But if I’m rage starved I’ll op

[minor gust]

yeah

[latent moss]

but its like mickey mouse dps increase cba thinking about it

basically with arms

[minor gust]

basically how it goes. Dont think to hard press buttons

[latent moss]

as long as ure pressing something and ure not losing gcds by starving

[rose matrix]

I have been considering 60-70 rage range high rage

[latent moss]

ure good

[rose matrix]

Anything below 60 I send op over exe

[latent moss]

idk honestly for some reason i can sense skyfury procs

[keen siren]

I haven’t optimized my gameplay to that extent I just spamming execute feels exe until I’m starved lol then op

[latent moss]

im tweaking i guess

[rose matrix]

A swing timer would be amazing

[keen siren]

Maybe I should try it that way tho

[fathom spire]

Op still good with opportunist yeah

No reason not to use that shit

[stable fiber]

very

[fathom spire]

Before sending a raw execute