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latent moss
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top prio

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hs always top prio on st

pulsar frost
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Isn't that only on exe

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When is hs top priority in ST non exe

oak kite
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so for aoe colossus smash > cleave > opportunist?

latent moss
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opportunist is a slayer buff whenever tactician procs

oak kite
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my bad aoe colossus smash > sudden death exe > cleave > opportunist

latent moss
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you probably mean overpower

oak kite
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i just hate that opportunist buff

dire hinge
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big same

latent moss
rose matrix
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You're sending oppurtunist op over execute in the m+ build?

oak kite
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like there are so many times that i have both sudden death and opportunist light up.

pulsar frost
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Exe if high rage or less then 2 ep if at 35

rose matrix
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Good to know

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I wasn't doing that

latent moss
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actions.slayer_execute+=/mortal_strike,if=buff.executioners_precision.stack=2&(talent.martial_prowess|!talent.martial_prowess&debuff.colossus_smash.up)|debuff.colossus_smash.up&talent.battlelord
actions.slayer_execute+=/overpower,if=buff.opportunist.up&talent.opportunist
actions.slayer_execute+=/overpower,if=talent.fierce_followthrough&!buff.battlelord.up&rage<80
actions.slayer_execute+=/execute,if=rage>40|buff.sudden_death.up
actions.slayer_execute+=/overpower
actions.slayer_execute+=/execute,if=talent.improved_execute
oak kite
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like can i just drop this god awfull opportunist and get mortal strike buff? god i hate it when sd oportunist and hs all lgiht up at the same time

latent moss
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just stop tracking it

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i dont op > sd with opportunist

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cba

pulsar frost
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I just vibe play tbh

latent moss
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same

pulsar frost
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I could be a lot more optimal but like im just pumping so idrc

latent moss
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exe vs op has always been vibe based for me

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if it flows its prolly good

pulsar frost
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Id like to imagine exe doing more anyways. Slayer is the exe vibe imo

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Ima judt click it on cd when i can. Idrc

hybrid needle
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Do yall just spam execute in duungs or what

pulsar frost
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Exe usually my top 3 dps. Should be my 1 or 2 tho

hybrid needle
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I thought AoE is Exe on SD > OP > MS with 2 EP > Exe ?

latent moss
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no ms is dead on aoe

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even on prio dmg its dead

pulsar frost
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Cleave. SD op ms

hybrid needle
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oh

rose matrix
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You even send rend before ms at 5+

pulsar frost
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Well exe apparently over op when at 35 if high rage and or less then 2 ep

pulsar frost
latent moss
pulsar frost
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Idc. Doesnt sound right to me

rose matrix
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I don't really either tbh

pulsar frost
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I will only rend on reapply

rose matrix
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But it's better

pulsar frost
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Idc about its optimization

latent moss
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i actually like doing it

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cause i nver have to think about keeping rend up

pulsar frost
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I dont think

hybrid needle
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so TLDR

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dont press MS

pulsar frost
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I see the number at 4 on my screen I click rend aoe

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Ez pz

rose matrix
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What does ! stand for in apl

latent moss
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not

rose matrix
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ty

pulsar frost
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Im excited to spam exe over op in aoe im ngl

hybrid needle
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ST rota still is the same tho ye

pulsar frost
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Gonna drain all my rage and not care

hybrid needle
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outside of exe

twin lodge
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if we don't press ms in aoe do we wait when cleave on cd, no sd procs, no op charges?

pulsar frost
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I mean

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If cleave is on cd. Click op. When op is on cd click ms then slam probably

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Or rend

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Or whatever

hybrid needle
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basically MS filler over slam

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lul

pulsar frost
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But surely youll get a SD proc or tact or cleave proc

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Cleave only do be a 3 sec cd

keen siren
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So wait you don’t press ms with 2 stacks u just keep spamming exe?

tribal sail
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is dungeon slice good for simming for m+?

hybrid needle
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pit 16 for testing purposes

deft bluff
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Is the first pull of AA just ass for arms ir

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Like, if i play colo i cant hit good demolish hits. And on slayer i also have downtime bc of sporadic movement

slow saddle
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No its grest

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Greatest

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If tank is good

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Its a decently harsh pull 2 manage as tank

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Make sure u kill a lasher super fast tbh more importsnt than overall kill of pack

deft bluff
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Ye i usually try but they kite weirdly so idk

slow saddle
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I know

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Should just back peddle

deft bluff
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Ppl also seem more focussed on aoe rather than prio dmg

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Kite in a line and you’ll be fine

reef prairie
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your overall wont be as high as some classes but you are pretty good at nuking a vile lasher

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whichi s the important mob

slow saddle
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I mean rets wanna mass aoe for funnel

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To lasher. So make sure 1 is marked

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Make all kill, ans have a class that can remove bleed

deft bluff
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Dwarf peepostudy

upper sparrow
dim basalt
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The problem with the first pull in AA is that 99% of tanks don't know how to play it

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Which fucks us more than other specs

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If your tank needs to kite you might as well go next

nova marsh
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Ngl

candid garden
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Why are the 3400 mounts so ugly wtf

lusty pine
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As someone with a fresh alt, should I send all bonus rolls in pit for 6 myth track pieces or hold out for 3x mythic dreamrift what we think?

pulsar frost
steep jay
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PIT PIT PIT PIT PIT PIT

slender phoenix
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I'm curious about the conditions of using only the excute at the timing of the excute in the shymk after the patch and sometimes using the stroke of the transcription

candid garden
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What

slender phoenix
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when use motal strike at excute page?

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slayer

smoky kayak
# slender phoenix I'm curious about the conditions of using only the excute at the timing of the e...

the guides are updated, but assuming you're talking about Executing as Slayer in a Mythic+ build, you should prioritize

  • Heroic Strike
  • Mortal Strike @ 2 Executioner's Precisions during Colossus Smash
  • Sudden Death
  • Overpower
  • regular Execute
    if you don't have Colossus Smash active, skip Mortal Strike entirely
    if you have Skyfury, you can prioritize normal Executes at high rage above Overpower, but without Skyfury you're gonna starve
rain cipher
dusty gazelle
smoky kayak
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Tier extension

dusty gazelle
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Ah thanks.

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But is executioners precision really better than picking Fatality?

halcyon valve
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Yes

royal hill
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hello, what trinkets i should mainly focus on and which dg is best to spend bonus rolls? just finished arms yesterday so now gearing phase hh

slender phoenix
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big thx

native niche
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Best dungeon for bonus roll is Pit of Saron almost every item is amazing (including catalyzing slots into tier pieces) and also BiS weapon there

royal hill
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ok bis weapon is a big thing, thx alot

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just one small question, i dont believe to get gaze, i feel like heart is "slightly" easier to get, with which other trinket would you comb it? HoW or Prism? Thx

sacred zodiac
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Why do you think you cant get gaze

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Its a trivial Boss to pug and a 1/3 to bonus roll

royal hill
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cuz i have done it like 15 times over all my characters and i didnt even get close to get it on any of them 😄

dusty summit
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oh, pc performance, I thought he was talking about player performance

plucky path
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Do we still generally lean towards Colossus over slayer for m+ except for certain keys like AA?

viral locust
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this is wrong on method site right? 16 crest in a 12?

brisk sedge
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yeah it is 16

balmy kindle
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slayer does have benefits in keys like nexus though, or in any comp where you need boss dmg

clever crag
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The lusted slayer opener in m+ is a thing of beauty on ST

balmy kindle
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for sure, feels nice to actually feel like you are doing smth in bosses

clever crag
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Colo can never do even close to that

balmy kindle
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also on higher keys massacre has huge value

clever crag
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Unless tank pulls mobs for you

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I might start running slayer for everything just cuz I pug

balmy kindle
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^^ on my pos 18 so touched when tank pulled mobs for funnel

clever crag
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And pugs usually suck on bosses

sullen zealot
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ive been going slayer on my alt but ive been wary of the new massacre build, does it not get clunky without battlelord?

balmy kindle
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not really because u dont press MS much

sullen zealot
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even with the 4set?

plucky path
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Thanks lads, appreciate the thinking points

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just did a 17 as slayer and the prio dam felt nice with my groups comp

balmy kindle
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yea because cleave op and sudden death procs / exe become prior

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you only hit MS when u have 2 EP

dim basalt
balmy kindle
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Ah yes, without cs 2 EP Ms is like 36k

worthy mortar
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guys as arms in pvp to apply rend should i clap or use rend? i wanna have 1 less bar to press overall

sharp tendon
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rend is a stupid attack to use i hope when we get e rework they remove it

neat locust
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I need to fix some common errors I think I make to my rotation; do I always save Bladestorm to be lined up with collosus smash? (slayer m+ build)

clever crag
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hmm would slayer be inting on MT

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I HATE that last boss

olive nest
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nahh

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can play whatever you want

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more boss dam is never bad

grim anchor
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are sudden death procs rng?

dim basalt
summer shore
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mc slayer or colo

dim basalt
somber wave
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Arms Slayer just uses Mortal Strike with 2 EP in execute now in single target builds, or 2 EP & CS in AoE builds.

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what is CS?

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and I see some people use execute talents for slayer in m+ and some into bloodborne + battlelord, that changes your execute rotation too?

sacred zodiac
neat locust
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Thanks

simple lintel
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Trying to evaluate my log. Is there anyway of detecting Battlelord procs?

thick kelp
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shows up on buffs

drowsy vigil
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Am I cooking too hard, thinking of going massacre build for VS drags proge. we dont have bdk. 🤔 E: Simmed it, dogshit idea better to go COL 2 target build for pure boss dmg

uneven minnow
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THATS A JUICY ONE EXILE

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1 roll left this week, ring hat and weapon left to get

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I see the wowhead now puts haste/mastery bracery above crit/haste bracer - does this actually matter or is it like a .002% change?

winter hedge
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Hi guys, for mm+18-19, we can play colossus for Skyreach and academy?
With buff slayer, slayer better colossus? thx

uneven minnow
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cuz I mean, I ain't getting a mythic l'ura axe or midnight falls since my guild fell apart and I'm looking to trial for rest of tier 🙁

drowsy vigil
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Especially in AA

umbral linden
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stupid beast

uneven minnow
drowsy vigil
uneven minnow
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slayer comfy, colossus not comfy 😠

ionic mica
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If anything could be extra boss damage

radiant jay
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as slayer do you also prio execute over MS on aoe or only on ST?

uneven minnow
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2 stack ms > execute

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aoe is 2 stack ms > 0-1 stack ms > execute

simple lintel
feral breach
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Can you post the log

soft peak
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Ngl, 88 parse on king hc first time killing the boss, without good trink is very good for me

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And 80 on beloren

uneven minnow
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heroic? or myth?

soft peak
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Heroic first time

uneven minnow
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going from not killing saladbar to him, dragons, and belo screams hero to me

soft peak
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And didnt play slayer atnall

uneven minnow
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gotcha

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congrats 😄

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I was just like wtf how'd u go from not killing saladbar to him, dragons, and belo in 1 log

soft peak
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First time i paid boost when i was 270 ilv to have hcs to get invited, honestly

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And belo i killed after i did the raid with pug

uneven minnow
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I would recommend using the wow recruitment discord if you're interested in doing heroic, there should be a good amount of guilds looking for people to play in heroic still I imagine

soft peak
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It was good with pugs too, after 1 wipe people left but only dps and we found fast others

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I joined a guild now, its new, and i hope we will do great things

uneven minnow
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noice

simple lintel
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I feel like I barely got any tactician procs. Would like to check Battlelord as well. Not happy with how the fight went, just trying to understand.

uneven minnow
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Tactician is charges of overpower

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Battlelord is refreshes of mortal strike

simple lintel
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Yes I am aware, I meant check Battlelord as well as in to see wether or not I was unfortunate with Battlelord procs

uneven minnow
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there's no 'buff' for battlelord as far as I can see

feral breach
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???

simple lintel
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Well that resolves that mystery lol

simple lintel
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Arent I the stupid one. Thanks

uneven minnow
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atleast u weren't in m+ spec

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🙃

simple lintel
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Indeed

crisp cedar
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hey whats the best way for us to sim shit? the usual 5min 5 targ good?

rugged hill
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what kind of damage are colo arms doing on final boss of AA

summer shore
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nexus, slayer or colossus

minor gust
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pick one and play it

junior trellis
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for mythic paladins - cleave only when all 3 in range or always

clever wave
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Okay this slayer iteration is actually mega fun. Doing almost double my boss dmg from colossal and still melting prio targets in pull just less pad

river tapir
junior trellis
slow saddle
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But higher keys u do feel slayer is less defensive

short crescent
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I'm feeling pretty comfortable with arms in M+, but my raid dps is not feeling great, any tips for that?

uneven minnow
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How have I used an odd amount of myth crests? I haven't downgraded any :I

fresh spire
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getting weird numbers from keys

uneven minnow
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but that doesn't use the crests?

fresh spire
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thats collected so far not spent

uneven minnow
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I've collected 658 -> I have 8 -> means it's telling me I've spent 650

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but idk how'd I spend 10 without downgrading any

fresh spire
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alt got achivement for half price upgrades?

uneven minnow
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nope its my main

latent moss
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maybe u upgraded hero crest to myth?

uneven minnow
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but then I'd have 18 instead of 650 no?

latent moss
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i guess yeah idk how many that upgrade gives

uneven minnow
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30 hero to 10 myth

latent moss
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yeah no idea

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xd

dim basalt
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Delve shenanigans?

uneven minnow
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maybe nullaeus 30 crests counts as 10 used for some reason?

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delve should be the same way I think?

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idk its blizz w.e

latent moss
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now that i think about it

latent moss
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790 crests

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but thats cause nullaeus i think? cause i have 10 left

uneven minnow
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they must have 10 from nullaeus counted and the other 20 not?

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so odd

latent moss
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u confused me so much

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its like those 3 hour long 1 problem calc exams

dim basalt
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Started pushing keys again yesterday

latent moss
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2 hours in u have no idea what anything is or means

dim basalt
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6/8 done for +19 resil gg

latent moss
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i havent played

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i na month

dim basalt
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AA and WS to go, not looking forward to AA

latent moss
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aa is free

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cause ure slayer

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ez

dim basalt
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I mean, it should be

latent moss
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nah its not bad anymore

dim basalt
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After the latest nerf the timer isnt bad

latent moss
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i mean

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the dungeon is still giga ahh

uneven minnow
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you can say ass

dim basalt
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NPX is worse

latent moss
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mini boss low cortisol gameplay

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flexing my 0 cd defensivesd

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love dstance sr-ing the knock

uneven minnow
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doing high level keys could not be me holy moly

dim basalt
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Is that enough to live in a 19?

latent moss
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easily

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its not even close to killing you

dim basalt
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I dont wanna risk it without wall

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so I never tried

latent moss
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theres no risk

uneven minnow
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meanwhile in 13 AA I'm getting 70% hp chunked by the arcane boss mana bombs

plush anchor
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Do people find arms easier to succeed with then fury? I’m playing fury and it’s super simple but I find that it’s so fast that I’m constantly looking at what’s available to press and missing mechanics

latent moss
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ye in high keys u just dstance and stance mastery does the rest

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what a broken defensive lol

dim basalt
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yeee

rose matrix
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Is it better to send a opportunist op in aoe over exe at high rage?

uneven minnow
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arms to me feels a lot simpler than fury @plush anchor

latent moss
uneven minnow
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it also doesn't have procs that you don't use

latent moss
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magisters

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arcane expulsion or w/e

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u just dstance it and sit at 50% hp xd

dim basalt
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Just press SR lol

latent moss
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need sr to ignore dmg from wyrms dying

dim basalt
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ah well

uneven minnow
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colossus prio

rose matrix
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That's not even correct

rose matrix
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I am aware of the rotation on wowhead

dim basalt
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Whenever tank pulls wyrms in pug theyre nuked within seconds

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Instead of actually using the funnel

latent moss
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we pull them for funnel on burn phase

dim basalt
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Pug tanks not smart enough for that

uneven minnow
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I hate the word funnel (it reminds me of bad times in league)

latent moss
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did u see

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biz 138k garfrost

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as slayer

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with funnel

dim basalt
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lmao what

uneven minnow
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what do they funnel in? the 2 packs in front and 1 to the right?

rose matrix
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Prob the deathwhisper

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And cc him

latent moss
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u para the necrolyte

uneven minnow
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which on eis the deathwhisper

latent moss
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and pull the 0 hp mobs

uneven minnow
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icy blast?

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ah

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perma cleave

dim basalt
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Thats nasty

latent moss
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138k is diabolical

uneven minnow
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cleave poggers

rose matrix
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Look on the right tho

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lowest overall

uneven minnow
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imagine slam/hs could apply the fkin bleed

rose matrix
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bad

dim basalt
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Why did he play Slayer in Pit anyway

latent moss
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to try it

rose matrix
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Probably testing it out still

uneven minnow
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because he could

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any 6/6 myth dungeon trinkets better than 6/6 heroic gaze?

latent moss
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solarflare

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puzzle box

rose matrix
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Probably puzzlebox

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But I'd rather lose dps than use pbox

latent moss
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for me solarflare was outsimming gaze at equal ilvl

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but that sim was ages ago

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gaze has weird scaling

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at 298 its bis at 289 it isnt

nova marsh
uneven minnow
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skyreach does have gloves too hmmmm

latent moss
latent moss
uneven minnow
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surely there's not a huge trade off for not doing windrunner spire gloves

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and just doing crit mast gloves instead of crit mast boots off chim

uneven minnow
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can't fuck up rotation harder if I don't use puzzlebox

latent moss
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should pug chim and roll for gaze

rose matrix
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I used puzzlebox for a while before I got myth Gaze

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Wasn't fun

uneven minnow
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rn i got myth heart and hero gaze

latent moss
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should roll for gaze imo

uneven minnow
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ig using rolls on chim isn't too terrible

latent moss
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im finally free from raid rolls

uneven minnow
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roll as prot spec and just hope i go gaze + gloves

latent moss
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sent 2 rolls on pit already

uneven minnow
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and 6/6 axe? 😛

latent moss
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no and im never gonna have them

uneven minnow
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rip

latent moss
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and eye of midnight requires

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mickey mouse restatting

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to be bis

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and its barely bis

uneven minnow
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yeah the bis thing seems scuffed

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'acquire the 2 hardest to acquire items' for bis

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wheres the damn reasonable bis list

latent moss
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and its not bis for colo and im playing both

ionic mica
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its only there because people feel the need for a list

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its an irrelevant concept

pine jasper
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Slayer or Colossus better for MC?

ionic mica
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bis lists that is

dim basalt
uneven minnow
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its wild to me that bis lists are better implemented in classic than retail

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but probably has to do with the sim basis of retail

pulsar frost
latent moss
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bis lists on retail exist

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cause there are people who dont wanna sim for whatever reason

ionic mica
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does classic not have actual weird items that make a bis list make sense? in retail some crit or haste difference isnt going to break anything

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vs cantrip weirdness

dim basalt
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ye

ionic mica
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retail who cares about a list just get stuff and sim it

uneven minnow
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classic has 45 buffs to abuse xd

pulsar frost
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The cantrip in retail isnt even that big like the gloves

ionic mica
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but its the "same" game so people want a bis list for retail as well

dim basalt
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We had strong cantrips in retail before

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NP had really good ones

uneven minnow
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whats NP?

dim basalt
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Nerubar Palace

uneven minnow
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the trinkets?

pulsar frost
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I just want to be free from raid trinks. I need heart then I dont havw to touch raid ever again unless guild wants

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Is Shame since ei havw to pug it

dim basalt
uneven minnow
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ah I didn't do enough TWW to see neck

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did it a couple times on norm and stopped

uneven minnow
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2 dropped and went to the warr tank and me 🙂

pine jasper
# dim basalt Colossus

I thought that would be the case but saw on r.io that the best timed ones with arms were using Slayer so was wondering why

rose matrix
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I miss old collateral

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I remember those juicy cleaves with all cds ravager and a stacked collateral

pulsar frost
pulsar frost
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Got lucky on dreamrift got it the very first night of turboboost

dim basalt
pulsar frost
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Then just haven't bothered getting heart till now. But its the last actual good bis item I need

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Besides that I only need legs and boots then im full bis

latent moss
dim basalt
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I mean that dungeon does everything col wants

pulsar frost
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Slayer pumps

dim basalt
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1st boss 2T

latent moss
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but slayer is much better than expected

dim basalt
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2nd boss funnel

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3rd boss everything lines up well for totems and amp

pulsar frost
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Slayer buffs good. Ms buff when

uneven minnow
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jesus christ people asking 10-20k for a craft now in trade, what is going on lol

pulsar frost
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Rage gen buffs when

uneven minnow
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change the max rage +30 talent to min rage 30 :angri:

latent moss
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go into trade and type LFC and link ur item

uneven minnow
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I want to always be angry!

latent moss
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and people will whisper u

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and craft for nothing

pulsar frost
uneven minnow
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😛

pulsar frost
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Just give OP rage gen back

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Ezpz

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Used to be like what 20 rage per op

uneven minnow
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per op?

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opponent?

pulsar frost
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Ye

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Overpowered used to give rage

uneven minnow
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o

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doesn't it still give rage? or is that something different from overpower

pulsar frost
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No

latent moss
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hoooooly breakdown

pulsar frost
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Only like Autos give rage or whagever

dim basalt
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That looks like insane reap rng

pulsar frost
latent moss
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reap does insane dmg

pulsar frost
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Its kinda nice seeing a even damage spread then just 40% cleave

pulsar frost
uneven minnow
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reap carried me from level 80 to 90

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shit is absurd even with dog gear

pulsar frost
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Is strong when it actually procs at a decent rate

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Same thing with exe SD

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St is a hit or miss either high deeps or not as high based on sd

uneven minnow
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my 2nd warrior is in the weird spot of having half mythic tier and half normal lol

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I should probably level a 3rd one today to max bonus rolls zzzzzzzz

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earthern in 3-4 hours or a race with actual racials hmmm

sacred zodiac
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2nd warrior ominous

uneven minnow
sacred zodiac
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very ominous

uneven minnow
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WHAT DOES THAT MEAN

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banana

latent moss
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ominous

nova marsh
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Earthen

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Then race change

sacred zodiac
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play whatever race and however many warriors you want

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its just a bit unusual to have the same class twice outside of RWF or roleplay purposes

uneven minnow
#

87 warriors, all named clarence all worgen

latent moss
#

multibox and line up my warriors

sacred zodiac
uneven minnow
#

I had 2 enhance shamans in tbc c

sacred zodiac
#

ominous

latent moss
#

(i have 1 max level warrior)

#

80-90 makes me want to

#

...

sacred zodiac
#

spongiewarr is my only level 90 character 👍

#

failed to click the correct class to level to 90 at the start of the expansion AGAIN

#

can't win

uneven minnow
#

I did 80-90 in like 4? maybe 5? hours with harldar guide

#

I think i butchered his name

latent moss
#

in raid

#

highest st in the game

#

aware

#

sod 2.0

sacred zodiac
#

is this 🔮 or is it actually pretty good

latent moss
#

aware

#

arms gonna giga suck in s2

#

cause they will forget tierset is carrying us

#

"carrying"

sacred zodiac
# uneven minnow ig? I like the class though

theres just not too much point in having two functionally identical characters? unless you specifically enjoy the gearing process or like roleplaying two different characters

latent moss
#

tww prepatch ahh

sacred zodiac
latent moss
#

peak

sacred zodiac
#

actually betrayed by people liking that tier set

latent moss
#

man we need

sacred zodiac
#

ruined class design for another 28 years

latent moss
#

hero talent tiersets

#

not this generic fuckass

#

imagine sd casts 2 reaps

#

hoooooooly

sacred zodiac
#

that was the intent no? and then they just cba'd

uneven minnow
halcyon valve
fresh spire
#

surely next tier we get a bonus that impacts gameplay more than being passive

uneven minnow
fresh spire
#

(Slam tier bonus)

latent moss
#

6 paragraphs tierset

uneven minnow
#

hitting slam slams the target 2 additional times

latent moss
#

20% more slam damage

uneven minnow
#

we are now slam spec

#

only slams

latent moss
#

okay hear me out

#

slam proc

halcyon valve
latent moss
#

slams the target 6 times over 2 seconds

#

should i explode?

sacred zodiac
latent moss
#

sporefall splits

#

(.7 raid)

uneven minnow
#

ganna split all over waow

halcyon valve
#

Slam has a 5 second cooldown (reduced by haste), but guarantees one tactician proc, and does 250% increased damage

uneven minnow
#

i just like loot!

#

loot loot loot

#

this is me with loot

latent moss
uneven minnow
sacred zodiac
latent moss
#

ok but ure rich

sacred zodiac
#

im not

latent moss
#

gg

#

robbed

flat willow
#

if you try to touch my mythic boe I'm gonna break your kneecaps (in game)

latent moss
#

where is my slayer manaforge 2pc blizzard....

sacred zodiac
latent moss
#

stranger danger they say...

uneven minnow
#

is spongie some high ranking guild nerd

#

not nearly as dank as us 2/9LFRers

sacred zodiac
#

no

latent moss
#

did u do a walhe this tier or

#

go from wr30 to wr1300

sacred zodiac
#

no

latent moss
#

gg

uneven minnow
#

warrior rank 30 or world rank 30

#

or both

latent moss
#

world rank 30

#

my goat went to a wr1300 and is complaining that they do 0 dmg 🥀

uneven minnow
#

i am challenger in league of legends so I'm better (I'm not)

sacred zodiac
#

deserved

latent moss
#

(the master+ reset did nothing)

uneven minnow
#

now I just get first/second month chall and burn out

#

600-800 games in 6-8 weeks is not fun long term

latent moss
#

hoooly

#

idk i kinda quit in s12 was 689 lp gm which was like 150-200 lp off chall then had to quit to prepare for uni entry exam

#

casual since then

#

playing arena

#

type shi

#

and full premade flex

uneven minnow
#

climb is fun, early season shenanagins are fun, long term sustain playing sucks ass

#

I did 4700 games during covid, never again

latent moss
#

idk i couldnt play more than like

#

4 games a day

uneven minnow
#

4 games a day is like, 95 minutes

latent moss
#

ye

uneven minnow
#

I'd have like 7 hours free

latent moss
#

i was touching grass playing football

#

back then

uneven minnow
latent moss
#

gk type shi

#

fastest red card ever in the regional league

#

for a gk

#

corner wanted to punch the ball away and missed it and instead punched a guy

#

cinema

flat willow
#

has the sudden death bug been fixed

latent moss
#

the cdr bug

#

no

flat willow
latent moss
#

afaik they are aware

#

it was reported when .5 launched but it was low prio

#

for obvious reasons

sacred zodiac
#

this bug is like tww old no?

latent moss
#

ye

uneven minnow
#

sees warrior -> low prio

latent moss
#

ever since slayer came out afaik

slow saddle
#

Did my first pos. Forced into col. Tank actually fed me

#

18 ++

nova marsh
#

Woof

#

gaming

slow saddle
#

Yeah ngl. Was insane

#

Played poorly kept up and beat feral + outlaw

#

I got a small peak into how it feels 2 be in a real grp

rancid willow
thorn stream
mortal crag
#

this is u @latent moss

latent moss
#

on boss

#

p1 chim

#

reck pot gave me haste

#

is this tech

neat locust
#

outsie of execute - when i MS it sso damn weak. do I still MS or wait for 1 stack of EP at least? (slayer, m+)

latent moss
#

u ms on cd on st outside of exe

#

on aoe ms is filler

#

if u cant cleave op exe rend

#

u can ms>rend if u want its a small loss

mortal crag
#

cone

#

is there a new slayer build

neat locust
#

I see S: MS hits so low sometimes, like 28k

mortal crag
#

theres either mass execute or overpowering finish no?

neat locust
#

yea

mortal crag
#

@latent moss op above exec unless SD right?

#

in aoe

latent moss
#

that 60 rage is based on vibes

#

if u feel like it might starve u and u dont have a lot of op stacks

#

just op

flat willow
mortal crag
thorn stream
#

ah that one

latent moss
#

it was there when i fucked around with it

thick kelp
latent moss
#

walhe

thick kelp
#

yep

latent moss
#

i did 130k on chim boss damage in p1

#

and i got madness

#

and a circle

#

reck pot gave me haste

#

i had 3 bs

#

in p1

thorn stream
#

big

latent moss
#

wait 4 bs

thick kelp
#

eta gg

latent moss
#

3 on boss one on adds

latent moss
#

we wiped in intermission ofc

mortal crag
#

no?

latent moss
#

cleave
sd proc or high rage
op
exec
rend
ms

#

ye

mortal crag
#

"or high rage"?

#

as in, send exec?

latent moss
#

y

mortal crag
#

ok lemme rewrite

thick kelp
#

yeah looks right

mortal crag
#

cleave
sd proc/exec phase AND HIGH RAGE
op
exec
rend
ms?

thick kelp
#

yeah

#

Crazy

mortal crag
#

cool

#

and then ST is

#

hs
ms
sd proc/exec phase and high rage
op
rend
?

latent moss
#

hs
sd
ms
op
slam

mortal crag
#

ah yh mb sd above ms

tacit crystal
#

hs execute ms 2 ep cs op

latent moss
#

thats in exe phase

mortal crag
#

thats exec

#

DOG

#

FOH

latent moss
#

outside of exe u ms on cd

mortal crag
#

hs
sd
ms
op
slam
rend

#

does rend matter?

#

in ST?

#

like, AT ALL?

thick kelp
#

yeah

tacit crystal
#

yes

latent moss
#

i send it over slam

#

but not over op

mortal crag
#

so why tf u dont write rend

#

and uw rite slam

#

animal

#

boosted

tacit crystal
#

is it better to execute at 20 or slam

latent moss
#

forgot ngl

#

execute

mortal crag
#

surely exec

#

ur reaching 0 anyway

latent moss
#

do NOT look

mortal crag
#

might as well go out with a bang

latent moss
#

at tooltip damage

#

slam is insanely mickey mous

mortal crag
#

"do i press the ability that has 19 modifiers or slam"

tacit crystal
#

cluegi

latent moss
#

19 modifiers AND does insane dmg

#

gio i did 130k boss damage on chim p1

thick kelp
#

afk

mortal crag
#

how gio must feel rn

thick kelp
#

hate boss

latent moss
#

arms broken or

latent moss
thick kelp
#

1.3k

latent moss
#

wr30 to wr1300 ahh

thick kelp
#

ahh

mortal crag
#

ok ST non-exec
hs
sd
ms
op
rend

exec phase
hs
ms 2ep+cs
sd
exec
op

#

right?

#

oh wait

#

no rend

latent moss
#

hs higher than ms in exec

mortal crag
#

mb

#

there

thick kelp
#

exec phase
ms 2ep+cs
hs
sd
op if rage less than 90
exec
op
rend

latent moss
#

looks right

mortal crag
#

rage LESS THAN 90?

#

what am i a fucking fury warrior holding rampage?

latent moss
mortal crag
#

in my head hs>ms cuz u get more buff for ms

latent moss
#

idk if there were changes to the apl im unware of that didnt get pushed yet

#

i mean

#

this is just insane

mortal crag
#

ye

#

currently we have 2 builsd right?

#

mass exec and op finish?

latent moss
#

play powerful

#

over both

#

idk op finish is fine i guess if u want more st but idk in skyreach there is relevant 2t

mortal crag
#

wouldnt op finish be better in say.. aa?

#

go fucking nutty on crawth?

latent moss
#

maybe but ure losing too much aoe

#

still need timer on aoe

thick kelp
latent moss
#

based

#

classic apl

#

idk if high rage exe is a gain in aoe btw

#

i just vibed it

#

cause it feels good

mortal crag
#

my sim is 460k op vs 471k powerful

latent moss
#

and if it feels good its good

mortal crag
#

and 95.1k op vs 94.5k powerful

#

but it doesnt calculate damage amp so

latent moss
#

idk

#

doubt it makes a difference

slow saddle
latent moss
#

u save some time on crawth u lose some time on aoe crawth dangerous idk

mortal crag
#

literally why is powerful so busted

slow saddle
#

🤣

mortal crag
#

like how does powerful outsim mass exec

#

like say in a 10mob sim

#

why

slow saddle
#

Mass exec stronger when lucky🤣

tacit crystal
high quest
#

is arms just overall shit in raiding/ST? i cant pass 90k and a similarly geared fury can do 110k apparently, am i just bad or is this expected?

trail ingot
#

I don't understand why Arm work better on boss damage on Lura when sim put fury ahead in single target...

thick kelp
#

cuz

#

fury bad

trail ingot
#

But fury sim much better in single target and lura is 99% single target

thick kelp
#

sim isnt real

latent moss
#

thane sims more than colo in aoe

#

yet ive never seen thane come close

mortal crag
latent moss
#

whats this

mortal crag
#

chat how do we feel about me sending TWO bladestorms in one csmash window

latent moss
#

broken spec abuser

#

!

mortal crag
#

yes that window was nearly 20s long

sullen stirrup
mortal crag
slow saddle
#

And u have answer 2 lura

latent moss
#

am i the only one to beg to be in 2nd group on chim

#

2nd soak

mortal crag
#

@latent moss LITERALLY

latent moss
#

xd

wind hatch
#

first group better for parsing 😎

trail ingot
wind hatch
#

during exe phase

#

sims are good for determining gear upgrades but very misleading in terms of spec viability

trail ingot
#

But he take double dmg out of execute phase too no ?

wind hatch
#

most of p3 takes place during exe phase

trail ingot
#

He just go back to 100% hp in P3

wind hatch
trail ingot
#

why most of p3 ?

#

Aaaah I see

mortal crag
#

@latent moss

#

22seconds csmash window

#

OMEGALUL

trail ingot
#

Ok you're smart

dire hinge
latent moss
#

for like 30s

#

on chim

#

on pull

royal fable
#

real quick, u dont cleave on 2 targets if u don't have martial prowess right? (paladins)

dire hinge
#

if it's 2 target you follow your Single Target rotation and keep Sweeping Strikes up

royal fable
#

Ait, thanks

dire hinge
#

cleave doesn't get benefits (ie: Fervor) until it hits 3+ targets

tacit crystal
#

i think you only cleave in 2t with collat snd mass executioner

#

no?

royal fable
#

Fair enough thank you 🙂

dire hinge
#

it's more about your Collateral Damage stacks being at 3

#

for 2 target

royal fable
#

oh right, so if it's at 3, i cleave on 2?

dire hinge
#

but you also want Ravager out during that

#

it sounds like a lot of conditionals but basically for two targets:

  • Do single target rotation + keep sweeping strikes up
  • remember that Ravager buffs your cleave.
    • if Ravager is up and you have 3 collateral damage stacks, it's technically beneficial to Cleave
    • (or tbh... just hold Ravager for when you have 3 targets again)
royal fable
#

Perfect thanks for making that so clear

dire hinge
#

of course! it's easy to overthink it a bit

#

Ravager in 2 target makes cleave better than Overpower, but like... just hold Ravager for 3 target when your cleave will start absolutely pumping huge numbers anyways. No point in blowing a ravager when it wont really give you much benefit

royal fable
#

Yeah need to practice on paladins for sure

dire hinge
#

if the fight will end before your next 3-target window comes up then hell yeah just send it

atomic mist
#

hey guys as a new arms player shall i go collossus ravager for mythics

thick kelp
#

are you playing with a premade that includes a tank and pushing highkeys OR do you enjoy colossus

#

if your answer is NO to one or both, play slayer m+ wowhead build

atomic mist
#

legit just getting max now and gonna play with 2 mates, will end up pushing high

#

but im a while away from that

thick kelp
#

You will have a better experience playing the slayer m+ tree from wowhead then

atomic mist
#

cheers dude

thick kelp
#

once you get into the 20+ range you can pickup colossus for the majority keys if you really want to

#

I think only key I would 100% play colossus is pit of saron

#

whilst AA/skyreach are 100% slayer keys perma

ashen arrow
atomic mist
#

okay so slayer with bladestorm im guessing that is

thick kelp
#

yeah

#

its the one on wowhead for m+

stuck yacht
#

Col or Slayer now better for hight M+?

thick kelp
#

dungeon dependant

tacit crystal
#

uh

#

deat

dim basalt
tacit crystal
#

if your tanks arent pulling funnel onto caverns

#

gg

tacit crystal
dim basalt
#

uhhhh

#

good question

tacit crystal
#

bc those are 2 very different things

dim basalt
#

When do you have time to swap?

#

after 2nd boss?

tacit crystal
#

after 3rd boss

#

long ass rp

#

you need to play colo for 2nd boss

#

you legit are 2 dps on that fight

dim basalt
#

Im talking caverns

#

Not seat

tacit crystal
#

oh

#

mb

#

but i swear colo does just fine

#

does slayer even do more 2t

latent moss
#

i dont think it does?

#

maybe in m+ build it does

latent moss
#

imagine if i had r3 consumes

wind hatch
#

1st soak OP

latent moss
#

i was 2nd

#

idk i prefer 2nd

#

just hit boss type shi

latent moss
#

172k vs 182k

#

in my gear

#

both m+ build

wind hatch
#

2nd soak only gets to soak once because 2nd soak after intermission is usually skipped

#

so less padding

dim basalt
#

holy

latent moss
#

man

#

idk what it is

wind hatch
#

lmao

latent moss
#

but slayer suddenly feels so good

#

@minor gust u converted me

wind hatch
#

it does

#

slayer goated rn

latent moss
#

imagine if we had

#

manaforge 2pc

#

it would be sooo peak

safe idol
#

best dungeon to spam broll on fresh arms warrior?

latent moss
#

pit

thick kelp
#

of

latent moss
#

saron

safe idol
#

ty ty

edgy knot
#

colossus or slayer in m+? 😄

latent moss
#

both

thick kelp
#

what do you like

edgy knot
#

new to warr any tip?

dim basalt
#

reroll

latent moss
#

read wowhead guide for rotation

latent moss
#

no other class feels like warrior

vocal flicker
viral locust
steep tree
dim basalt
tacit crystal
thick kelp
#

he is going for boss dam

tacit crystal
#

ic

halcyon valve
latent moss
#

uhm

#

119k

#

NOOOOOO

#

EXECUTE LOST ON OVERALL

#

NOOOOO

latent moss
#

no lust btw

dim basalt
#

Man I love not getting a single SD proc in 30 seconds

latent moss
#

happened to me on chim

#

fun!

dim basalt
#

Thats been happening all night on Beloren so far

#

Its crazy

latent moss
#

gg

#

relog

#

xddd

dim basalt
#

Also low on tac procs

#

Might as well fake a dc

latent moss
#

true

#

manaforge 2pc where u at

#

my beloved

dim basalt
#

Need old reap back

latent moss
#

remove reap make it a sd only thing

#

make slayers strike aoe

#

and add manaforge 2pc back

dim basalt
#

Just make Overwhelmed 30s

tropic crest
#

Arms slayer ST raid build. Can you tell me which is the standard and execute rotation prio ?

thick kelp
#

the one on wowhead

weak rain
#

Bro, this execute bug made me think that they actually could add this as a feature to colossus(to make execute feel not like shit and buff their st?), like a talent in colossus hero tree that would make execute apply 200% value DW

hybrid haven
#

In colossus ST do I spam cleave at all with ravager after col smash? I assume not bc cleave isn't in the ST rotation at all but it feels weird letting 3 casts go to waste/not getting the col might stacks from it.

#

oh wait it only gives col might at >= 3 targets nvm

dim basalt
autumn nexus
#

Did somethnig fancy happen recently? Seen soem arms warriors in my keyes doing useful damage, as slayer of all things?

short crescent
#

Slayer changes and buffs

#

new builds

hybrid needle
#

"Useful damage"
I feel attacked

hybrid haven
dim basalt
#

I believe its less than 100k per cast

#

And wasted if it does not come back up until next pack

surreal spade
#

what slayer build are u playing more guys?

hybrid haven
#

Is Slayer still behind Col even after buffs? Or close enough to not matter?

uneven minnow
wind flicker
#

Surely there is a numbers guy around

#

To answer a question

uneven minnow
#

What I wanna see come tier tier 2:
Reap the Storm proc chance 20% -> 50%

hushed topaz
#

Losing this tier set is going to be really painful unfortunately

uneven minnow
#

they need to just add it baseline

ionic mica
#

it totally depends on what the s2 tier does

uneven minnow
#

then change the tier set to a generic 3%/5% damage buff so it doesn't become infinite colossus smash after it's added baseline

hybrid needle
umbral badger
#

yoo guys, a quick question ! as a slayer if you have 2 choices, one pot on bloodlust "no execute phase" or pot on execute "no bloodlust"

#

which is better ?

#

assumign that rotationally you had same cds

umbral badger
dim basalt
zinc yacht
#

What dungeons favor Slayer vs Col? I still feel like playing Colossus in all dungeons except maybe AA or Nexus Point

umbral badger
#

so rusty i did not play for 2+ weeks

dim basalt
#

potting in p1 is pretty useless

umbral badger
#

if it wasn't big difference then it won't matter much if i had some fun prepoting

hybrid needle
#

If your RAID wants you to do it you do it, no questions asked. Theres a reason they are telling you to and its most likely for specific dmg threshholds that need to be met.

minor gust
hybrid needle
#

Sup Bozman

minor gust
#

Sup

hybrid needle
#

I need your slayerism to help me out

dim basalt
#

I converted as well 🙏

minor gust
#

Good more and more people moving to the right side of arms

#

Colo = dumb and poopy

bronze pilot
#

Slayer forever

dim basalt
#

But I hate Slayer in raid

bronze pilot
#

Except I'm not 100% sure how I feel about massacre

dim basalt
#

stupid rng

edgy canyon
#

Did the shoutout in the biz video hit like crack or what @minor gust

hybrid needle
minor gust
dim basalt
bronze pilot
#

Yeah I know I just dont love it that much, I feel like I'm doing 90k ish on bosses without it

#

3700 atm, still figuring it out

minor gust
tacit crystal
#

@latent moss i was napping

minor gust
fresh spire