arms

[slow saddle]

And in aoe

Just demo

🤣

Like the difference is neglible so just send demo unless its suuuper close

[humble grotto]

ye at times I was sending demo at 10-12 seconds and CS comes up jiust as it ends

and was wondering if I should save or not

[soft peak]

its mythic chim any harder than hc?

[humble grotto]

No, just the fear casts

[slow saddle]

Yes

[hollow wave]

I love to play colossus, but single target is depressing

[hollow totem]

Hi, just to know How big is funnel as war arms ? And what are we funneling with ? thanks in advance

[timber path]

How fked are we without sky fury buff? Is it big diff

[elder zealot]

Quick question, if I want to do the Seat talent swap for Lura, which abilities do I have to make sure aren't on CD?

[marble needle]

Is arms fun to play

[safe vigil]

You go from one of the lowest to possibly the highest ST in keys, couldn't be much bigger
You funnel with many things, Fervor of battle, collateral damage, colossal might stacks (or reap the storm if you're slayer) one against many, dreadnaught waves

[marble needle]

Noob here what does funnel mean

🥸😎

[safe vigil]

Increasing your boss dmg by pulling pack of mobs on the boss

Because of the increased resources you get

[marble needle]

True

[warped spade]

Only problem is convincing the rest of the pugs to not aoe full blast those adds

[slow saddle]

Y never not gonna happen

[hollow totem]

Just depends on key level ig

Ty @safe vigil

[royal escarp]

if tank aggro some add without diying, that is a miracle

[slow saddle]

All pugs play for overall

[upper sparrow]

how yall using CDs during tree boss in AA?

[balmy basalt]

I like slayer but miss the tankiness of colossus

[abstract ivy]

Does execute or op take priority in slayer massacre on big pull

[minor gust]

How big we talking

[abstract ivy]

2-3 pack pull 9ish targets

[minor gust]

If there's 9 targets still up when you can execute at 35% I would still prio OP unless there's a dangerous prio target that needs to die

[smoky kayak]

sudden death always has priority
overpower has priority in aoe
regular execute otherwise

[minor gust]

If it's SD yeah higher priority than op always but he said execute so I assumed he wasn't saying SD

[abstract ivy]

just execute no SD

dump op charges if cleave is down

[wild berry]

I'm starting to try out arms, and I'm having a rough times in terms of DPS. I'm comparing logs to other arms warriors of similar iLvl, and I'm noticing that they all have significantly higher avg hit dmg from their abilities. I'm talking 25%-50% more on cleave, demolish, mortal strike, and overpower. Overall damage being higher if they're hitting more mobs with each cast makes sense, but the "avg hit" should account for that. I've posted in the 'help and log review' channel, but no bites there. Sorry if this isn't the best place for this, but I feel like if I don't figure this out optimizing rotation won't overcome this hill I'm finding myself on.

[mortal crag]

5k rio arms warrior

[wild berry]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/FJq4YAcMRP8vgLwC/kBbTgJYXDvCWqw1j?fight=4%2C12&source=40%2CVeckuclap&type=damage-done

[smoky kayak]

once you get down to 1-2 targets, it kind of depends on how min/maxy you wanna be

• with Skyfury, it's slightly better to play around Opportunist > SD > reg OP > Execute
• without Skyfury, it much better to simply prioritize Overpower > Execute unless you're very high on rage for some reason
  in practice, I find that just prioritizing Overpower > Execute is easier and more straightforward than trying to watch and parse for a bunch of extra stuff

[mortal crag]

i mean, you're comparing to a bad warrior as well

i know it sounds cheesy, but compare to a 19-20

[hybrid needle]

Bozo, the Saviour is here

[mortal crag]

also, pit of saron is an incredibly funnel-heavy key

but if the tank doesnt play for funnel, u dont do as much damage

[minor gust]

Once I get down to 3-4 targets I tend to just spam cleave execute and weave in OPP procs. Lets me be super aggressive with CS at the end of the pack too

[torpid herald]

quick question, i've unlocked the secret axe artifact, but i cannot see it in my transmogs, is it a bug or should i wait till it appears (?)

[nova marsh]

did u relog

[mortal crag]

your opener is wrong and your main target is not the main target of the first pull

[short crescent]

so plate like doesn't have a lot of options for glove huh

[smoky kayak]

like drops? There are... I think 4 different ones + tier

void, ember, and incarandine are all fine for Arms

[torpid herald]

yeah

[nova marsh]

Ig ur gonna have to wait

Might be a bug, not sure

[torpid herald]

[wild berry]

No, that makes perfect sense. Thanks

[wild berry]

I know I have lots of optimizations to make, I'm just so confused why my avg MS does so much less damage than almost every other warrior I look at who is at similar ilvl

[feral breach]

Did you look under swords?

[smoky kayak]

^ if you're talking about the tmog appearance, the weapon is still considered a sword; same with the fury axe skins

[stable fiber]

if only slayer arms wasnt the squishest thing ever

[thorny mason]

for slayer m+ build, in MT when your target is in exec range, do you still prio MS over regular exec ?

[stable fiber]

colossus is invincible and slayer has noting

zzz

with the perfect phsy comp slarms does like 105k+ dps to every boss

its pretty nasty

[hybrid needle]

Yeah as slayer i feel like im need to sit in dstance whole dungeon lol

[stable fiber]

its pretty rough

you have better sustain on bosses because of how often you apply deep wounds, but on aoe you dont have the DR demolish gives or the sustain demolish gives when it apply deep wounds to 10 mobs

[hybrid needle]

Good thing there is no downside playing colossus eveywhere

[stable fiber]

i guess

having 100k+ boss dps feels so good though

[hybrid needle]

That is tru

[stable fiber]

last boss of algethar 🥀

[hybrid needle]

I do feel like everyone outdpses me on aoe now tho

[stable fiber]

ehh its a lil rng

SD procs are the majority of your dps ngl

[slow saddle]

Only doin 18s now, and its deffo felt

[stable fiber]

i was comparing them yesterday

colossus has like the whole right side of its hero tree serves as some sort of defensive

[hybrid needle]

I did 18 mt and i died 3 times in the glaive corridor lel

[stable fiber]

to be fair those mobs are bullshit now that im experiencing it at a higher key lvel

[feral breach]

Yep that room can hurt

[slow saddle]

Thats dstance angle

[stable fiber]

if you get 2 stacks you just cant live

[hybrid needle]

It was the combo of holy fire and glaive every time

[slow saddle]

Should be dstsnce sr

[stable fiber]

have you gotten the forbidden combo of 2 glaives

xdd

[hybrid needle]

Thankfully not yet no

[mortal crag]

decided to say fuck it and go slayer on mc21
no rsham
bear comp
dont ask me why
(we bricked 2nd boss)

HOWEVER

heres the overall until then

[stable fiber]

the bear

l m f a o

[mortal crag]

🙂

he had

highest dam

[hybrid needle]

Ngl, glaive is physical and should be parryable with dbts

[mortal crag]

first pull btw

well its a magical glaive get fukt

[stable fiber]

yeah i mean all 3 of those dps specs are pretty capped

kinda hard

[hybrid needle]

Why spellreflec no work then

[mortal crag]

cuz get fukt

[hybrid needle]

Oh its one of those "im gonna bully you" things

[stable fiber]

i think the initial hit is physical then it applys a magic damage debuff

i have to check

[slow saddle]

Its an unparryable glaive of magical doom

[mortal crag]

https://klipy.com/gifs/hell-doom--k01KR75VCKTFCMHM0W6CED8ZS6F

[stable fiber]

nevermind

the initial hit is arcane

[hybrid needle]

https://tenor.com/view/lightning-fuck-you-in-particular-building-lightning-strike-gif-17503856494311093046

[stable fiber]

then its a arcane damaging dot

not reflectable

fun

[slow saddle]

As said an arcane glaive

[hybrid needle]

I still think with dbts + spell reflec you should be immune

It works for everything else

[stable fiber]

ik it was a worthless button in 95% of dungeons but bitter immunity would be real nice this go around

[slow saddle]

Facts

Be dorf

Issue is, gotta be dorf

[hybrid needle]

Also

[stable fiber]

im not a dwarf unfortunately

so its gg

[hybrid needle]

Why does zerker not clear the root from first boss in mt?

I feel scammed

[stable fiber]

its weird sometimes

not sur

e

[slow saddle]

U can charge out of it

[hollow wave]

Is fury really tankier than arms without ER? I'am not sure

[hybrid needle]

Yes

[slow saddle]

10%

[hollow wave]

Even Colossus?

[slow saddle]

Dno

I mean thane fury is

[hybrid needle]

Thane is reaaaaally tanky. Not DK tanky but more than col

[stable fiber]

thane and colossus are very close in tankiness

[hybrid needle]

they are also close in damage

[stable fiber]

the thing is demolish is such a short cd now you almost have like 100% uptime on a 10% DR on mobs

and colossus has a passive 5% dr

[thick kelp]

arms finally getting warpaint

holy

[stable fiber]

i fw fueled by violence

[hybrid needle]

I am reall thinking about going thane at this point

but i like my invites as arms

Gonna run a 18WS now. What sould my overall look like as slayer these days

[stable fiber]

im usually at like 180-210k

depending on dungeon

[hybrid needle]

soooo what is your WS

[stable fiber]

uh

[hybrid needle]

85k overall good ?

[stable fiber]

85k is pretty solid

[hybrid needle]

what about 87

[stable fiber]

also good

[hybrid needle]

what about 67

[stable fiber]

in WS i did

171k on logs

[hybrid needle]

sham/aug ?

[stable fiber]

so like 191k on details

sham/bm

it had a aug but log dps excludes the aug

[hybrid needle]

i aint got a sham and it makes me sad

[stable fiber]

yeah i refuse to do a dungeon without a shaman

its just better for the group

[dim basalt]

Played +19 seat as Slayer without sham

Timed but I felt miserable

[hybrid needle]

i mean

[wind hatch]

i just play colossus if theres no shaman tbh

[hybrid needle]

sham is easly 5% of your overall

[stable fiber]

its more

think like 10%

[hybrid needle]

10 seems a bit craz

[stable fiber]

on bosses its like 12-14%

[dim basalt]

For Slayer its easily 10% ye

[stable fiber]

i think if you dont have a shaman as slayer

you have to drop PM and grab bloodsurge

or game isnt playable

[mortal crag]

sending my resi sr20 slarms key now

we locked in

on stream

https://twitch.tv/ragishwow

[stable fiber]

self plug

[mortal crag]

surely kha657

will come say hi

[smoky kayak]

last I checked, Skyfury was worth ~6-7% for Slayer and closer to 10% for Colossus

but ymmv

[smoky kayak]

#promotion

[mortal crag]

https://klipy.com/gifs/cat-raaa--k01KR76NZY7105FYNP7FQ2EHF37

[stable fiber]

its a lot more for slayer st i suppose

but yeah slayer has more free gcds cause OP/SD matter more in aoe

[dim basalt]

I lowkey dont wanna go back to col anymore

[hollow wave]

That why Iam wondering if fury still tankier, maybe it is, but very slightly

[stable fiber]

well fury has higher health and pretty good passive DR

which both matter a lot in high m+

colo arms has lower health and is only really tanky when the pack is settled

slarms has noting except SR and Dbts

[potent drum]

Hey, is slayer now above colosus in general for m+? Havent read much since the patch update

[nova marsh]

gestures at stance

[indigo quail]

https://tenor.com/view/fadding-homelander-gif-16156538903600882075

[stable fiber]

think slayer is better in keys below 18 ngl

boss damage good and hard to die below a 18

above that though id say colo in some keys

[short crescent]

I've had way better luck with slayer in pugs

people aren't like chain pulling or pulling stuff into bosses

[blazing plover]

is slayer back for m=

[robust cypress]

Slayer giga fun

[potent drum]

yeah true

[blazing plover]

m+*?

[nova marsh]

Broo what luck are you having with no endless chain pulls

[potent drum]

i'll learn it then! i'm in 18's right now

[short crescent]

idk lol I mean they are going fast, but its not like constant combat the way really strong tanks will be doing it

also often no shaman, and slayer feels a little better on that front for me, no idea why

[lament plank]

is the slayer m+ just the defualt one posted?

[nova marsh]

If no shaman slayer just has better rage econ due to more free gcds

[thick kelp]

the one on wowhead https://www.wowhead.com/beta/talent-calc/warrior/arms/slayer/EAOBRUUVFVFGZEqRQBQNVUVVCZRVEYUF0CFQFFVVVUBB

[minor gust]

Yes yes yes understand me more

[rose matrix]

I honestly prefer how Colossus plays the st is just terrible

[median fox]

how hard is pushing past +17s with pure pugs?

I feel like im playing decline simulator

[unreal lynx]

best arm mitic build?

[median fox]

since i got to those

[rose matrix]

Not that bad but it's like the keys before

How hard or easy it feels depends on the group

[minor gust]

EU has a pretty good pug scene. NA tho is a nightmare so gl

[median fox]

good thing im on EU then

[hybrid needle]

EU is playable in pug if you dont invite kazzak or russian

[thick kelp]

more like

[rose matrix]

I wonder what eu is like

[thick kelp]

dont invite italy/spain

[rose matrix]

I pug in na

[median fox]

i've been sitting for half an hour in front of lfg eating declines xD

[median fox]

brah

Im spanish

hahah

[thick kelp]

well theres your reason

[hybrid needle]

what server do you play on

[thick kelp]

well its more the

spanish servers

[hybrid needle]

if its pozodellateantea or whatever

people wont inv you

[thick kelp]

if ur on tm, ragnaros its fine

[median fox]

whats wrong with them?

[thick kelp]

generally bad players

[mortal crag]

"this key felt so bad"

also this key:

SR20

[thick kelp]

pozzo del eternia and sanguino are on my perma block list

regardless of io/prog/parses

[thick kelp]

holy

[mortal crag]

i spun

TWICE

in one colossus smash

on ravens

[median fox]

that's not a bad thing, i have sanguino on my perma block list too

[mortal crag]

LMAO

[median fox]

and im spanish

[hybrid needle]

tf is that procc rng

[rose matrix]

Azralon is full of shitters in na

[median fox]

hjahah

[thick kelp]

twisting kebab

is another 50/50 server

recently

on eu

[wind hatch]

azralon QT and rag

unholy trinity

[mortal crag]

kazzakistan

gg

[thick kelp]

eu rag is good

[mortal crag]

na rag

isnt

ETAGG

[thick kelp]

@astral yarrow does EU rag have good players

[mortal crag]

eu rag > na rag

[wind hatch]

^^^

[astral yarrow]

nah only dogshit here

[rose matrix]

Warrior does kinda benefit from fitting into phys comp

[astral yarrow]

<- case in point

[hybrid needle]

Eu only has good players

[thick kelp]

noted

[hybrid needle]

thats why cutoffs is higher than NA

[thick kelp]

na title is eu 1%

Classic

[median fox]

idk, i know pretty good spanish players, i dont think generalizing is a good thing, theres good and bad everywhere

[rose matrix]

Na owns world first tho

[hybrid needle]

NA has arguably longer time to progress tho

[rose matrix]

Cope

I honestly don't care about na vs eu I just like the liquid guild more

[hybrid needle]

I mean

Gingi deserved to not be first

Damn that was rude

[red lagoon]

one question, on multi target also exists execution phase? or should keep spamming aoe

[rose matrix]

I do think people tend to really downplay the amount of time saved from the guild in front progging for them

It saves both guilds hours on single bosses when they flip back and forth

[minor gust]

Which is funny cuz for NA Ragnaros is a hard avoid server

[marsh thistle]

whats the correct opener for arms slayer in m+ for "big packs"? - first 3x cleave after cs or bs first then cleave

[mortal crag]

alr

slamcademy time

21

gl

[magic pike]

Due to Crushing Combo, Cleave will be spammed repeatedly after using Colossus Smash.

so basically you charge into rend, ideally then avatar and cs, then spam cleave 3x

[rose matrix]

Slarms is charge, rend, cs and avatar into bs

[magic pike]

sry i misread 'bs' as 'cs'

tired men

[hybrid needle]

and that first BS feels so bad

ngl

[rare kite]

you can prestack it before key tho ofc that's annoying to do in pugs

[surreal spade]

what is SD guys?

[minor gust]

It doesn't matter over the course of the whole key but as mutou said you can pre stack it

[surreal spade]

Sundden death?

[nova marsh]

Yes

[marble needle]

I will have 8 bonus rolls next week

What dungeons should I spam for my arms alt

For efficiency

[obsidian estuary]

Prob pit

[surreal spade]

thank you

[marble needle]

Gg its always pit

Pit OP

Nerf pit

[surreal spade]

and the song of auto attacks still bugged for orc male warriors?

shit

[rare kite]

is that some interesting google translate? song of auto attacks

[mortal crag]

and why is it

male warriors

hi Mutou :3

[rare kite]

hi ragish

[wind hatch]

i assume he meant sound

[surreal spade]

english is my second language, im sorry

[rare kite]

was not meant as an insult mb. i was more just curious if it actually was a translate thing, sometimes languages translate funny

[marble needle]

Is arms shit without skyfury

[pulsar frost]

is fine without, its just nice

espically for colo

[rare kite]

colossus yes. slayer is fine

[wind hatch]

to me colossus feels better than slayer without skyfury

execute phase without skyfury is unplayable

[marble needle]

Whats more viable atm? Slayer?

Or are both good

[wind hatch]

both are very competitive rn

Id say slayer is a bit better for dungeons that have a greater emphasis on ST though like Algethar and Skyreach

[wild lion]

where can i find new m+ slayer build

i need to compare with my own

[latent moss]

wowhead

[wild lion]

and im just never pressing ms with it right

lol

[rancid willow]

Someone needs to make a chart like this

[wild lion]

as an unc i miss the days when u can just main 1 spec

[vapid spire]

Same

[wind hatch]

you still can

[fair gust]

Sudden Death

I just did npx key as Slayer and bladestorm was top1 dmg is this normal? 😄

[bold turret]

During single target with slayer, what is slams prio? It feels like ms hits like a noodle most of the time

[wind hatch]

slam is filler

only press it if you have nothing else

[bold turret]

Thank you!

[surreal spade]

npnp thats ok 🙂

[grim anchor]

is slayer more pug friendly?

[dim basalt]

ye

[lunar frigate]

it can be, aoe is a bit worse (still good) and its much better in single target, and in pugs where you are necessarily brining mobs into bosses for funnel thats good

[dark minnow]

whats the prio for m+ aoe slayer fury

execute/cleave?

[toxic osprey]

Cleave

Then SD proc

You mean arm not fury ? i responded for arm sorry, miss reading

[short crescent]

so we wait until BS is over to start sending the free cleaves?

[rose matrix]

Yep

[short crescent]

ask in fury channel probs

[hot barn]

When do we just spam execute ?

[short crescent]

Basically never I think

[rose matrix]

In m+ builds you spam it a lot

[short crescent]

slayer is 2x exe into MS and overpower

[eager sable]

Yeah. It's to turn on the Slayer hero talents violent euphoria and overwhelming blades for the cleaves

[hot barn]

Just say Biz using it 7 times in a row

[short crescent]

oh wait with the changes I think biz said you don't even care about EP unless you are in CS now

[rose matrix]

In m+ builds in st execute you spam execute and only use OP to help with rage and send ms with 2 ep stacks and cs

[hot barn]

So when boss is below 35% is just turbo spam execute

and fill with OP

[rose matrix]

For the most part

During cs you send ms with 2 ep stacks

Usually if below like 60 rage I'll send an op

[hot barn]

From 100% to 35% how what is prio then?

[rose matrix]

Just normal wowhead rotation

[hot barn]

Oki cool and Aoe wise its just
Cleave -> SD -> OP ?

[short crescent]

pretty sure the slayer build biz posted doesnt run the 35% execute thing

massacre

[dim basalt]

He does play it

[short crescent]

Oh he made a new one, the one I copied yesterday didnt

[dim basalt]

Massacre + 2x CT is just nuts prio damage

In my +19 NPX I did as much as the ddh and sv together on prio lol

[hot barn]

Dont we have higher prio on execute even tho its not SD?

[granite swift]

not sure that is updated for the massacre build, says use MS with battlelord but we dont take battlelord in new build

[hot barn]

Makes ense gotta wait for a good guide then xd

[granite swift]

oh im looking at multitarget nvm

but still true

[short crescent]

Is there an updated raid build/prio list?

[wind hatch]

overpower is higher than execute for rage conservation reasons

[nova marsh]

it dosen't thou?

[wind hatch]

also hover over the blue question marks

they are there for a reason

[nova marsh]

It says use it for EP

[granite swift]

in the multitarget section

[nova marsh]

Both builds are viable. Just ignore the line if you don't have BL

altough ur probally right and it's not updated

[marble needle]

What are some sick ass 2h transmogs to farm

[fleet sinew]

is this an error in the apl? or is it meant to block the below actions?

[dim basalt]

I dont see anything wrong with that?

Not really blocking anything

[fleet sinew]

its saying to cast rend if the dot is active

all other casts of rend in the apl are on the condition if rend is not active or about to run out

so its weird

[dim basalt]

Rend in this case is at a rather low priority already and in aoe you just deal more damage using rend on many targets than using any of the abilities below

[spice field]

Is slayer performs well in NPX?

[dim basalt]

yuh

[dire hinge]

that is a bit of a strange line tbh. .remains is usually only used to flag a major boost being present (ie: CS/Avatar), or if a specific duration exists (ie: Remains<2). The only time .remains is used without a duration is when it's coupled with a ! (meaning "not", or "it's missing").

i'll check

from what i can tell it would block lower items in the APL because it would basically always be true

[dim basalt]

Rend has a cd tho

[dire hinge]

it does, but we wouldn't care about .remains as a flag then

at that point +=/rend would do the same thing

[dim basalt]

True I guess

[dire hinge]

i'll ask The Nerds™ and see if it's some sort of APL/SimC language thing, but it is a little redundant

[smoky kayak]

that whole execute deal you explained is also the normal wowhead rotation btw

[short crescent]

wowhead says puzzle box, when should I look to use that?

[smoky kayak]

the .remains check doesn't block anything, but it's also kind of redundant

• the very top line already prioritizes Rend if the dot isn't up, which means that by the time that second check occurs, Rend will always be up

[flint cedar]

I miss the doubleback of Cleave now... It feels weird again.

[proud heath]

did of a weird question but when second wind procs how long is the cd before it can proc again?

[crystal rain]

Do you mean the colossus talent?

Or just class talent

[proud heath]

just the class

[crystal rain]

no cooldown i think

just based on hp

[remote talon]

the colossus talent is 60 seconds

the talent actually called second wind has no CD

[proud heath]

Oh the colossus talent is the one preventing me from switching to slayer i see now

thanks

[smoky kayak]

Yeah, if you're doing dumb tech like trying to swap specs mid-M+, make sure you're not running Veteran's Vitality for that reason

[proud heath]

its not dumb if it works lol

[smoky kayak]

right up until it doesn't

[short crescent]

Anyone know when I should be pressing puzzlebox? I see it is reccomended by wowhead but topgear does't tell me to equip it

[dire hinge]

you can usually use it with every other avatar, thanks to Anger Management

but basically line it up with your next burst

[delicate jasper]

Still thinking about col or slay for pve

[crystal rain]

Which one do you enjoy more

[delicate jasper]

I've never even tried them in pve before

[crystal rain]

Try them both

[delicate jasper]

I don't even know the rotation in M+ I wish MS would just be Cleave

[crystal rain]

Just go for it

[delicate jasper]

Do you have a basic col m+ build to share?

[dire hinge]

WoWhead does 😉

it even has the rotation too to help with your other issue

[fair tinsel]

CcEAjLzRlq54bI5v+r8Sr9Xw4jZmxsMzMzYGAAAghphZGmZbZmZmZYGzMAAAAAGbmB2iBsZGDLwAzoNaMYBMzwwgZzsNYmBAYmhB

Dealer's choice if you take second wind or the shockwave cdr, depends on group

[crystal rain]

Is second wind buffed this expansion btw

[pearl shore]

where in our opener to we puzzle if playing the trinket?

[crystal rain]

feels like the last expansions you just wouldnt take it

[clever wave]

Swapping from fury to arms for my push team, with slayer arms is 2 target cleave the same as the ST rotation except for the exception of keeping sweeping up?

[nova marsh]

For keys you don't take it as colo because colo has it by default

(And I think colo has better second wind)

[crystal rain]

Ah alright

[rare kite]

? it does not have it by default

[nova marsh]

Does colo not take vet vitality?

[rare kite]

yea but that is not second wind

[nova marsh]

...

"When your health is brought below 35%, you gain Second Wind"

[crystal rain]

Was it in mop where it was like 3% every sec

[vocal solar]

U still cleave on 2 targets

[rare kite]

you gain A second wind. it has nothing to do with second wind the talent

[vocal solar]

With 3 stacks of sweeping buff

[nova marsh]

what is the buff called then

[smoky kayak]

default second wind was buffed, but yeah don't confuse vet vitality's second wind with the talented second wind, cause they are separate

[clever wave]

Ty

[smoky kayak]

you do not prioritize Cleave v 2 targets, its benefits don't kick in until 3

[crystal rain]

So would you pick second wind or shockwave cdr for pugging?

[smoky kayak]

Rumbling Earth - regular Second Wind is not particularly useful in content that has a dedicated healer

[nova marsh]

I aplogize then

[clever wave]

Okay ty I was about to ask where hc strike fits in then with 2 targets but this clarifies it even more now ty archi

[nova marsh]

wording is weird

[crystal rain]

Alright tyvm

[rare kite]

wording is indeed weird, i made the same mistake when initially reading it along time ago

you're all good

[clever wave]

Basically just ST rotation with sweeping on 2 targets

[grave mulch]

i love the new name

[nova marsh]

behold

my truest form

[grave mulch]

[delicate jasper]

okok check this out... how about in M+ I just go to the pack of mobs, burst , press Cleave first then MS until Cleave is back

thoughts?

[smoky kayak]

"then MS until" so... you press MS once

[delicate jasper]

[clever wave]

Are we also just sending bs ONLY when demolish is up?

[crystal rain]

You wanna press MS for demolish cdr

[nova marsh]

Only when CS is up

Demolish is the colossus cooldown

[clever wave]

Yea my bad wrong word ty tho

Thanks for the help kings !

[delicate jasper]

[wind hatch]

just treat the rotation like a priority list, dont overcomplicate it too much

[delicate jasper]

what has more prio in m+ , ms or cleave

[wind hatch]

cleave

[delicate jasper]

what about on boss fights , only MS?

[crystal rain]

You guys think theres any chance we are ever getting enrage back as arms?

[nova marsh]

what

no

[stable fiber]

"whirlwind in st or slam in aoe" ahh question

[upper sparrow]

Cleave only with 3+ targets OR with 2 targets when you have three stacks of collateral damage and nothing else to press.

[stable fiber]

i wouldnt mind enrage

[wind hatch]

you dont ever really want to press cleave in ST

[crystal rain]

But why even remove it from arms

[stable fiber]

its another layer of rng on a already very rng spec

[crystal rain]

I guess

[stable fiber]

i wouldnt really like it

if there was a way to guaranteed get it

like idk

you are enraged every 300 rage you spend or something

[crystal rain]

I just really enjoy mop arms

[stable fiber]

and you play around that

idk

[crystal rain]

i guess

[nova marsh]

I just

Don't think enrage fits arms's vibes

[hybrid needle]

Go play rogue

[stable fiber]

the issue with mop arms is that mortal strike hits for noting

the rotation is good but enrage is dumb

and you dont do damage

[delicate jasper]

Do you send a demolish at the start of burst too like in pvp? or wait for 10 stacks

[nova marsh]

in aoe wait for 10 stacks

In ST you can send at 5

[raw tinsel]

do you all think colossus or slayer is better in M+ rn?

[dusty summit]

Depends on dungeon imo

[upper sparrow]

Colossus slaps in AoE but its ST lacks quite a bit unless your tank pulls funnel onto bosses.

Slayer is better ST with meh AoE.

Slayer is bae tho

Easier, better in pugs.

[raw tinsel]

yeah im having more fun with slayer, more mobility

[upper sparrow]

Having SD proc in AoE a bunch is some dope dopamine

[rose matrix]

You're right lol, I didn't realize it was updated.

Guess there wasn't much a difference in the rotation either way between M+ ST and just ST. Just a change in how you use MS

[little dune]

cam i supposed to by whirlwinding in multitarget in slayer raid build without cleave?

[pearl shore]

that's only really big for slayer no?

[wind hatch]

yes he is talking about slayer

[lost blade]

do you always send avatar and ravager in sync? Like can you macro them together to save some space or is there a external cdr effect to any of them?

[rose matrix]

Nope

I just send both with CS

[lost blade]

but will they always line up? since both are 1,5 min or is there something affecting the cd of any of thoose spells?

[rose matrix]

Avatar has CDR from Anger Management like CS does

Ravager does not

So it is consistently 1.5m

[lost blade]

Man.,. so in other words shit is gonna be desynced after first usage xd

[latent moss]

yep

they will sync again at some point

[lost blade]

daym

[latent moss]

dont worry about it

[rose matrix]

Just always send with CS and you're good but they sync back up

[latent moss]

y

[rose matrix]

Usually every other Ravager I think

lines up with Avatar

I might be wrong tho

[latent moss]

with 100% uptime ye

ravager is 1.5 ava is 1

[lost blade]

but you guys aint using any macros right?

[latent moss]

no

[rose matrix]

I macro avatar and cs together but still have a seperate bind for cs

[lost blade]

okok I guess its something ill get used to in time

cheers for info !

but in general, will there be scenarios where I should hold if another cd is about to be ready, say 8-15 seconds for example?

or is it insta send

at all times

[hybrid needle]

when will it staaaahp

[latent moss]

not soon

getting upgrades next week

big ilvl on weapon

[hybrid needle]

Oh yeh almost forgot about that

[latent moss]

then .7

298 gear

[hybrid needle]

so 4k for 1% it is

[latent moss]

https://tenor.com/view/all-roads-lead-to-rome-time-rabbit-gif-9497165517404307883

uncap crests blizz

its time

[nova marsh]

Probs over 4k by end of season tbh

[hybrid needle]

where uu at rogue boy

[nova marsh]

on vacation from wow still until a friend pulls me back in

[hybrid needle]

Im your friend, now come back in

[latent moss]

ive seen people exploding in 23s

so we'll see

oneshots will be the cap

[nova marsh]

so like

let's say all 22s is what

[latent moss]

we are really good against that

[hybrid needle]

4,1?

[latent moss]

cause warrior is never dry on defensives

u always have dstance

specs just run out of defensvies

like i played ret a bit

once dp is o ncd

[hybrid needle]

all 22s should be 4130-4140

[latent moss]

u legit got nothing to press

supreme is all 22s

and is 4141

[nova marsh]

vengance is baked into DP now ye?

[latent moss]

y

its so shit

[hybrid needle]

who is supreme

[nova marsh]

And if it's not physical get fucked

[latent moss]

chinese ddh

casual is 4.1k

with 3 21s

rest 22s

[latent moss]

like

[hybrid needle]

O

[latent moss]

its an INSANE wall

[hybrid needle]

ive filtered to europe

[nova marsh]

so maybe 4.2k?

[latent moss]

40% dr + shield of vengeance

on a 1min

[nova marsh]

Yeah that's great

[latent moss]

but

u got nothing outside of it

[nova marsh]

But not having them independant is a catch 22 type shit

[latent moss]

whereas warrior

just has defensives always

i feel much tankier on warr than ret

[hybrid needle]

perma 15% dr if needed

is huge

[nova marsh]

warrior and dk kind of warp my perpective of what is tanky

espically warr

[latent moss]

and stance mastery protects against oneshots

[nova marsh]

How the fuck we got more tanky as arms is beyond me honestly

[latent moss]

dk is unreal until ibf is on cd and its physical from my experience

then u kinda setup rp to spam death strike

[nova marsh]

Yeah espically since Lichborne is dogshit now

6% leech as defensive

it's only real use is a CC break

[latent moss]

i mean its

flavour

[nova marsh]

Yeah well the flavor tastes like dog ass now

[latent moss]

idk its a cool button

[hybrid needle]

dont b like dat

[nova marsh]

I think it's kinda neat

[latent moss]

doesnt do much i agree but its flavor

[nova marsh]

I just wish it didn't get shot

Going from 15% dr to 6% leech is such a massive downgrade it's laughable

[latent moss]

i fully expected

dstance to get pruned

instead we got a capstone mega buffing it

[nova marsh]

And then dstance gets buffed

Honestly

I'm kinda worried it won't survive s2

[hybrid needle]

well

u dont really have alot of other defensive options

[nova marsh]

as blizz realizes "oh fuck"

[hybrid needle]

plus it reduces your dmg

so its not like its ONLY upsides

[nova marsh]

Ah yes

Loosing 10% damage on like 2 gcds

3 I think

[latent moss]

i mean for example

in 22 npx

shaihuloot pressed it once

xd

[hybrid needle]

and when was that

[nova marsh]

I mean I feel like I'm extremely agressive with my Defensives

on all classes

[hybrid needle]

i feel like i always press dbts randomly

[latent moss]

in 22 magsisters

2 presses

it is colo though

on trash colo is literally immortal

[lost blade]

How come?

[latent moss]

5% passive dr + 10% from demo debuff

• perma healing from fbv

• high leech which comes with being a warrior

this is his overall in 22 magisters

[hybrid needle]

Who needs Dstance if you can just demolish some abilitys right

[latent moss]

this is ehrps

[lost blade]

isnt the 10% just like 1,5-2seconds when you cast demo?

[latent moss]

yes and then the debuff from demolish

makes the mob deal 10% less damage to you

[lost blade]

aaaaa

I see

[latent moss]

and if its physical

[sacred summit]

do i send ravager whenever or do i have to pair it with colo smash

[latent moss]

it does nothing

[nova marsh]

Demolish abd if someone misses an int get more dps

[latent moss]

unless its a boss ability and bypasses armor

which is usually the case with bosses that do physical

[sacred summit]

pair with colo smash for the colo smash damage debuff?

[latent moss]

always pair

with cs+demolish

using avatar and ravager together doesnt matter

[sacred summit]

how long should i hold CS for ravager or avatar

[latent moss]

what matters is using them with cs+demo

[sacred summit]

20s?

[latent moss]

never hold cs

[sacred summit]

10s?

[latent moss]

no

never

[nova marsh]

You hold ravager and avatar for cs

Not the other way around

[sacred summit]

so if avatar or ravager is 5s off just send cs and use avatar or ravager manually after?

[latent moss]

yes

[sacred summit]

ok

[latent moss]

both of them are mickey mouse cds

compared to cs

[sacred summit]

yea i know. i just figured there may be like a slight window where u hold

[latent moss]

ava is 20% cs is like 45% with apex

[nova marsh]

Na

[latent moss]

on average

[sacred summit]

do u guys hold cs in nexus king to hit the orbs with it

[latent moss]

no

[sacred summit]

or just send off cd

even if solo on boss

[latent moss]

yes

thats the thing with cdr classes

by holding u are also delaying ur next cast by more than the base cd

the only case of holding cs im aware of

is beloren

to stack apex for egg burn

[latent moss]

tbh now that i think about it it might depend if u get to hit the boss

in the pugs i played i usually got to cleave

[sacred summit]

interesting. i think for fury i have to hold reck/ava/of for chim/averzian/vaelgor ezzorak

[latent moss]

idk when i pug i just ignore adds

and go full boss damage

cba padding

"do i hold X for 14 seconds to align with add spawn"

cba

cortisol spike gameplay

[sacred summit]

ah gotcha. yea in my guild group the melee is on boss duty

i do take broad strokes and powerful momentum

but we are just dumping boss and cleaving orbs if they get close

[sacred summit]

cba?

[latent moss]

CBA most commonly means "can't be arsed" (or bothered) in British slang, indicating someone is too lazy, tired, or unwilling to do something. It is frequently used in text messages to decline offers or express lack of motivation, equivalent to saying "no" or "I don't feel like it"

i tried padding twice and never did any damage cause adds exploded

on imperator and chim

[sacred summit]

ah gotcha

yea i was just sending cds off cd on fury and arms but wasnt parsing well

when i reviewed logs it was because the top logs were getting much much better value from thunderblast/thunderclap and odyns fury vs me so i figured even as a cdr spec i need to use brain and hold a little bit

[latent moss]

ngl i havent played fury in a very long time and im only pugging chim + first 3

so idk later bosses

[fleet sinew]

Sorry was afk when you got to this so I am going to reply even though its later

so if rend is always up when the second check occurs, that would lead to rend being cast there, making the apl go back to the start. How would the lines below ever trigger then?

If the line was actions.slayer_aoe+=/rend,if=!dot.rend_dot.remains I would agree that it would be redundant.
but since it is actions.slayer_aoe+=/rend,if=dot.rend_dot.remains (no !) it seems like a hard block and that it's not actually redundant, but the opposite

[sacred summit]

@latent moss how are you parsing on saladhar sending cs off cd and st ing boss?

ive only killed him twice now and my last kill was the first kill as arms and ive been holding cs/bs for orbs

usually the wait isnt longer than 10-20s i think

it also seems like i should be holding cds on dragons

[latent moss]

idk i got like

97 today

and 99 last week

[sacred summit]

ok i got 91

hmmm maybe i do have to just send cs off cd on boss even is solo

btw do the bugs on vorasius still count for parses

[latent moss]

no idea

[smoky kayak]

If the line was actions.slayer_aoe+=/rend,if=!dot.rend_dot.remains I would agree that it would be redundant.
but since it is actions.slayer_aoe+=/rend,if=dot.rend_dot.remains (no !) it seems like a hard block and that it's not actually redundant, but the opposite
You have this backwards

The APL is a priority list; every time an action is completed, it resets back to the top

• so at the very top, it prioritizes Rend if the debuff is not up
• towards the bottom, it prioritez Rend if the debuff is already up (effectively refreshing it before it falls off) - that check is redundant, because the debuff will always be up, so it is effectively equal to just a simple use rend condition

but either way, it accomplishes the same thing, there's no "hard block" anywhere

How would the lines below ever trigger then?
Because Rend has a cooldown

[dire hinge]

yee, just because the bleeds exists doesn't mean it's castable

[smoky kayak]

all it's doing is effectively saying that refreshing Rend early is worth more than using non-SD Execute, Whirlwind (which you can't anyway), or Slam (which Fervor does for you) in AoE... which I hope would be a pretty logical conclusion anyway

[rugged hill]

jfc I hate nexus

[smoky kayak]

by refreshing that Rend early, it allows that very first action at the top to be skipped (because Rend hasn't fallen off), allowing you to move on to other high-priority abilities when they are available

[paper dove]

OT: Why are some Top Players using the standard Blizzard Nameplates? like Bizentein does in m+? is Platynator/plater overrated?

[dire hinge]

proves it's preference basically

addons can help, but addons dont make you good

[smoky kayak]

can't really speak for them, but the capability of most addons (including nameplates) in combat has been greatly restricted, vastly reducing the difference between standard nameplates and addons - there are a few things you can tweak, but it's mostly just reskinning at this point

[fleet sinew]

ok thanks for the explanation
however
is it worth having a condition like <5 or something (like other places in the apl) so that rend doesn't get cast when it has like a dozen seconds remaining still?

[smoky kayak]

it could be, but again the only actions below it are

• non-SD Execute, which hits only 2 targets and eats a lot of rage
• Whirlwind, which you can't use anyway
• Slam, which only hits 2 targets (while Rend hits for almost the same amount in an AoE)

[paper dove]

Mhm okay makes sense. Only real thing i am Missing in the standard Nameplates is the coloring of caster adds.

[smoky kayak]

another benefit is that you don't have to worry about having to update addons after patch day

[paper dove]

Thats also true, and i believe Nameplate addons especially can impact performance quite a bit

[smoky kayak]

plater still has a ton of extra bullshit built into it that throws constant errors if you don't go in and turn em off

[paper dove]

i am using platynator but i remember Plater in Tww giving me big trouble sometimes. i'ma just try playing some keys without platynator and see what changes

[dusty summit]

Can’t really see how that would improve your performance tbh

[fleet sinew]

ok, thanks a ton for the explanation
appreciate it mate

[smoky kayak]

np

[smoky kayak]

it depends on how much they try to do, nameplates in general are actually quite big resource hogs, especially when you have dozens of them on screen at a time

[valid sandal]

Doing 17s atm as fury, is it necessary to change to arms? To push

[twin lodge]

I've been told twice to quit arms and go play hunter. Fam, what should I do?

[reef prairie]

hunter is a weird one to tell you to reroll to

dps warrior is pretty strong

no reason to reroll

[latent moss]

no

[valid sandal]

Than i shall contiue to be happy

[pastel moss]

biz ripped a slayer massacre vid, is this a cook or is it actually good/worth playing in keys?

[serene horizon]

yo is it a massive fail to pop Demolish without sweeping strikes? The first two benefit from the buff, but sometimes there is no time to squeeze in Sweeping Strikes before the colossus buff runs out

[nova marsh]

You really shouldn't be in that scanerio often

By the time you run through broad + natty SS, you should be within ~10 seconds of CS coming up again. And if you have demo you'd be holding it...that being said if it's just unlucky and you do get it in the 10% downtime I don't think it's the end of the world

[nova marsh]

You tell them they're wrong

And then

prove it to them 🙃

[pulsar frost]

Play what you enjoy.

I could be a meta slave and play dk. Dh or demo lock snd do cracked damage rn but like what's the point if im not having fun etc

[nova marsh]

I literally have a 90 dk

I refuse to play

Because that shit plays like absoutle dog

[pulsar frost]

I mean the fact yoy made a dk to 90 smh

Warrior is pretty good rn anyways. Maybe not the greatest in raid. But they're just mid

[balmy kindle]

Warrior is the hardest road but satisfying

[pulsar frost]

I like wacking stuff in keys anyways

[twin lodge]

I know I'm messing up somewhere in my rotation, but I'm going to try logging to see where I'm going wrong. Most dungeons I hit between 130-140k dps overall at 16s.

[wild lion]

I suck at slayer rotation

[pulsar frost]

Which part. Aoe isnt too bad. ST is fine. Exe can be a bit rough

[twin lodge]

I seem to suck at slayer aoe

[nova marsh]

It was my first

I had strayed

Then came back to warr

and stopped being depressed

[balmy kindle]

press more OP and exe, ignore MS

[pulsar frost]

I mean aoe is more cleave and op then exe

Exe only when SD

[hushed pine]

Is DK meta...?

Genuine question

[latent moss]

exe when high rage >75 and less than 2 stacks of ep

[latent moss]

yes

but so is arms

[pulsar frost]

Is that really the prio now?

[latent moss]

in a phys comp

yes

[pulsar frost]

Ans not just cleave op and exe when sd

[hushed pine]

I feel like Dk has mid aoe (at least unholy)

[latent moss]

cleave > sd or exe if <2 stacks of ep or high rage > op > rend > ms

[pulsar frost]

Sure its still cleave prio

[pulsar frost]

But like what's the point of the stacks of ep being higher prio if we dont plan to click ms

[latent moss]

here

changing the threshold around for rage doesnt really do anything

as always

[latent moss]

idk it was already in the apl i didnt bother removing it i doubt it has any effect

[pulsar frost]

Low-key liked clicking exe after cleaving anyways more justification

High rage is what. 70+?

[latent moss]

60 in the apl but it doesnt matter

as long as it wont starve u its good

[pulsar frost]

Im always high rage in aoe anyways

[latent moss]

i tried 70 75 and its the same simdps

idk for me its just feel based

[pulsar frost]

Rend over ms sounds wack

[latent moss]

i feel like pressing exe or op

if i feel like pressing exe i press it idk

[pulsar frost]

I like clicking exe should want to as slayer imo

[latent moss]

if it flows well its probably good

[latent moss]

ye i tried everything

even 2x ep + cs up ms is a loss

over rend

[pulsar frost]

Prio damage is noice after 35. Tho should feel like clicking ms with 2 ep even without smash in aoe when focusing on prio target but thats just my thinking

[latent moss]

its insignificant

on prio dmg

[pulsar frost]

Thats just aoe tho right. Ms still would be better for focusing the prio no?

Wack

[latent moss]

ms just does low damage thats all

exe is very juiced

[slow saddle]

I mean with cs and ep up i ms in aoe

[latent moss]

you can do that if u want to

[slow saddle]

Below cleave

[latent moss]

its like

barely a loss to do it over rend

[slow saddle]

It extends cs

[pulsar frost]

Ms really do be raging blow of arms

What they do to my beloved

Snh

[slow saddle]

If itd not a aoe loss ms better

[latent moss]

i had it like

[slow saddle]

I make sure rend is kept up outside cs🤣

[pulsar frost]

I like the idea of exe over op but kinda feels wrong idk

Exe isnt really buffed outside of SD anyways

[slow saddle]

But y deep wounds from exe is big

[pulsar frost]

So like is it really brtter

[slow saddle]

Exe dw requires no crit

[latent moss]

exe over op?

[pulsar frost]

I was questioning why my keys exe isnt top or second most dps for some kehs compared to yall

[latent moss]

ye it is

[pulsar frost]

I should cluck it more ig

[slow saddle]

Yup but also. Mainly in st

Like pressin op more prob better

But exe is after op if 2 charges b4 if 1 for me

If i have rage

[pulsar frost]

I mean aoe

[latent moss]

thing is

op vs exe is just feel bsaed

based

[slow saddle]

Higher keys higer prio mob

[latent moss]

issue with ms is not that ure casting it

[slow saddle]

Yeye those 30% chance csn f u or not if it so chooses

[latent moss]

its the not casting exe or op

[slow saddle]

Ib cs it extends xs

[pulsar frost]

Idk i like the feeling of casting MS after 2 stacks of ep imo

Is lame

[latent moss]

i would like it a lot more

[slow saddle]

U do in raid

[latent moss]

if it didnt hit for 46k non crit

[pulsar frost]

I mean just aoe m plus

[slow saddle]

Nah in aoe idm as muxh

Issue is in st imho

[pulsar frost]

I'll just start dumping rage into exe when its 35% then oping

[slow saddle]

Yup

[pulsar frost]

For now

Aoe

[slow saddle]

Then in cs u get 2 press ms twice

[pulsar frost]

When ms buffs man

[hushed pine]

I remember the dopamine that was getting 2 stacks of EP and hitting a 10m MS

[pulsar frost]

Its not like im not doing good overall damage in keys as slayer tho

Still pumping

[slow saddle]

I guess 15% to ms or 25% per ep stack

Both would work

[hushed pine]

Imo EP feels weak

[pulsar frost]

I just want rage to be better is all

[slow saddle]

Nah

Ms is weak

[pulsar frost]

Ms can get no buffs as long OP gets its rage gen back

[slow saddle]

Cpz 50% of 0 is 0

[latent moss]

man

i cant wait to do actual keys

i wanted to try the build a bit more so i did a random 15 algethar

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1265930049605865492/1502701647971749939/image.png?ex=6a015437&is=6a0002b7&hm=3a699d12f31ce706cdd00be0ef0eea3169b2aad5f24602193495021cb1de2729&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

very scuffed

100k crawth no lust and 100k on last

like 90 some on 3rd

and 250 ish on first

[latent moss]

we killed crawth too fast and didnt have lust so we lusted 2 ravagers

and healer idk went afk or something and me and ret just died

absolutely cranks on st

ended last boss magisters at 110k

and like 210k overall

[pulsar frost]

Show boss breakdown

[latent moss]

19

[clever wave]

are we still running collosal over slayer?

[pulsar frost]

Pls

My St can be so hit and miss random man

[latent moss]

idk i dont have it its just a screenshot from yesterday

[pulsar frost]

Probably factors of displaying or luck

When SD procs 4 times in a row its lit tho

[latent moss]

had this freak accident in a 12

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148898720803586048/1501532191660965938/image.png?ex=6a010793&is=69ffb613&hm=f295f721de63615916c1366711c4b1b058f9588e5b8d839b7a039b0b4447990c&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

st btw

6 sd in a row

on opener

boss was like a minute 30

2nd magisters

[pulsar frost]

st is really fun and good if you're just lucky

Otherwise its rather wack

Eapically in exe

[latent moss]

ye classic arms

[pulsar frost]

Like hitting 4 SD in exe feels good. Like smash 2 SD then ms and repeat 2 or 3 times just feels good gameplay and number wise

Then you get no procs and have to afk for rage

[latent moss]

gotta be more aggressive with op usage then

[pulsar frost]

I do use op on cd

Its another rng thing. If tact doesnt prog it doesnt feel good as usual

[latent moss]

at least no blord

playing colo st

and nothing proccing

[stable fiber]

sometimes i get too many sd procs and im pissed

[latent moss]

makes me want to take my skin off

[latent moss]

real

[stable fiber]

because im trying to get cdr on avatar/cs

[latent moss]

cant spend rage

[rose matrix]

I mean Slayer is just as bad

[stable fiber]

and i cant

[latent moss]

annoying

[latent moss]

it isnt

[rose matrix]

You charge into the boss and just don't get a sd for 15 seconds

[latent moss]

the spec isnt unplayable without sd

[pulsar frost]

I do like ms op ms op fit non exe

[rose matrix]

Thne you finally do and you get 5 seconds cdr cause your stacks dropped

[latent moss]

colo is unplayable without blord and tact perma proccing

[zenith aurora]

unplayable

[latent moss]

i did 104k on garfrost in an 18 pug

no funnel

just raw dogging st

i dont even think i rolled high

i got like 1 sd proc on opener cs

[slow saddle]

U did. Umm but still nice😆

[latent moss]

highrolled crits

prolly

[rose matrix]

Also depends a bit on how long you got in execute phase

I wonder if warrior gets anymore tuning

[oak kite]

what is the prio when sudden death procs but at the same time you have opportunist and heroic strike up as well?

[latent moss]

st or aoe

[oak kite]

aoe

[rose matrix]

St heroic strike

aoe sd

[latent moss]

on aoe cleave consumes heroic strike with fervor of battle

[slow saddle]

Aoe cleave y

[oak kite]

so for st is it heroic exe then opportunist?

[rose matrix]

Yeah 3 targets you want to avoid using heroic strike or slam at all times

[latent moss]

well technically

in execute st

[pulsar frost]

I've been enjoying slayer in keys im ngl

[latent moss]

its overpower with opportunist > sd exe > op

[oak kite]

where do you heroic strike there? is it the top prio?