arms

[spark mango]

https://ibb.co/rKnmP6dc look, full St massacare build Slayer arms

[nova marsh]

Outlaw isnt getting punished nessisary. In my experience its making a lot of small mistakes in split second descions that adds up to a larger loss

[spark mango]

i dont even miss battelord when i have opportunist

[nova marsh]

Well

Idk law is weird

[flat willow]

I miss battlelord every time I have to press slam

[spark mango]

whats wrong with slam

applies deep wounds, procs tactician, budget mortal strike

[flat willow]

budget mortal strike

is the important part

[spark mango]

well you dont have battlelord in raid and its fine, it makes no sense to have it in execute phase

[flat willow]

I don't understand what you are saying

[steep walrus]

What is this in?

[spark mango]

+19 mT

[flat willow]

yes battlelord isn't important for the execute phase, but that's 35% of the fight

it's the rest that's annoying

[steep walrus]

And that's the execute build?

[spark mango]

yeah

[steep walrus]

Can you run the execute build anywhere or do you need a shaman?

[nova marsh]

Is our exe even good this tier

[spark mango]

i did 109 k with it to bird boss in academy aswell

[steep walrus]

Im doing so bad at colossus today for some reason

[flat willow]

after the latest buff yeah

[spice field]

good pump man

[hoary crest]

anyone also has this problem ? my casts don't go off and my hotbars have latency when procs happen, how do you guys deal with that?

Can't find the answer

[spark mango]

seems like you're spell queue is off balance in regards to your ping

[nova marsh]

Get a new isp

[spark mango]

try lowering your spell queue

[flat willow]

it's nice that they reverted all the arms nerfs they put in for no reason

cuz arms was over performing during pre patch

which is exactly what they did in war within too, now that I think about it

except arms kept getting nerfed in war within season 1 cuz they were too lazy to nerf fury without nerfing arms

[spark mango]

i dont miss shaman as much when i'm playing slayer as opposed to colossus

[steep walrus]

Ohhh interesting

[spark mango]

i'm telling you guys. play this execute build, you can carry your team on bosses while pumping on aoe aswell

more pug friendly

[flat willow]

it is more pug friendly

mostly cuz colossus is unplayable without a shaman

[spark mango]

just rememmber not to press mortal strike when you dont have CS up on your target in execute phase

just execute and overpower

[steep walrus]

What should be my top 2 damaging abilities at end of run with execute build?

[spark mango]

depends but for me it was reap the storm>cleave>overpower=execute>mortal strike

[steep walrus]

Do you only ms when you have 2 stacks of whatever its called and cs? If no cs skip ms?

[spark mango]

exactly

[steep walrus]

Cool beans

[spark mango]

the things we lose are nothing compared to what we gain when we run this build, if you think about it you lose damage on cleave under 35% but you have more damage on execute, and battelord had no effect in aoe

[rocky imp]

Where can i find your build mate? Sounds fun as hell

[spark mango]

its not mine, bizentein had a good video on it so i copied it

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[rocky imp]

Thanks a lot

[minor gust]

You doing something wrong if thats happening

[halcyon valve]

cant be that wrong if it times 16s

[elder dew]

Hey guys if I want to sim my char for m+ what's the best setting on raidbots?

[spark mango]

this is my opinion and it can be very very wrong but arms and fury more or less use single target abilties and cleave down from that

so i just sim single target

in the end boss damge times the key for me in a pug situation

[spark mango]

you can time 16 by underperforming on damage by just staying alive.

your top damge can't be overpower in a dungeon

[elder dew]

thanks!

[halcyon valve]

shit attitude detected

[spark mango]

no mate, in skyhold we try our best to help each other and i'm telling you its wrong

if we say something is wrong we say it in hopes of improving you and others overall. Not to be rude to you

[halcyon valve]

well then phrase it in a way that doesnt border on condescending

[spark mango]

i'm sry you feel that way, i merely said timing a key is not an indicator of doing your rotation right

and overpower being top dps is way off

[halcyon valve]

cool but i did not ask to have someone explain my spec to me, did i

i was not asking for help, not asking for feedback, i was just playing the game and having a good time

[safe summit]

Imagine how good of a time you could have playing correctly

[halcyon valve]

frankly, shut up and stay out of this

[spark mango]

but this is not a diary, this is skyhold's arms channel. if i said i did a dungeon and my top damage was mortal strike, people would comment to see if i was in a right build

@minor gust look what you got me into man

[spark mango]

a good warrior studies more than just the blade

[minor gust]

XD

[halcyon valve]

yeah thats my status, so?

[spark mango]

oh is it? i just came up with it to make a point

[halcyon valve]

what point

mockery?

[spark mango]

reducing the tenstion you causing here

[halcyon valve]

ah yeah, im causing tension, yep, sure

bye

[spark mango]

bye i guess

you "overpowered me"

[rocky imp]

Neon wasn't even toxic in any way bro. You can time 16's by staying alive and playing mechanics. 16's are not high keys. Nobody mocked you, you just took genuine offence to someone disagreeing with you. Get a grip my dude.

[pure forge]

maybe something here can help me time keys higher than a 12

[ionic mica]

nah neon was a little rude but its not that deep

you overpowered me does go hard tho

[robust cypress]

what's the best buff in AA to get as arms? is it crit or mastery or does it depend on your stats

[spark mango]

no i geniunly was not, i told him timing a key is not indication of doing dps right, you can do 100 parse in a dungeon and deplete it by not doing mechanic and ultility

[pure forge]

is dungeon slice sim what we should be using to to sim for m+?

[nova marsh]

Personally I usually go versa

[robust cypress]

wtf really?

Is that for like 20+'s or 12-16's?

[toxic osprey]

The new execute build feel so good as ST but i'm doing so bad as AoE, OP and EX are first and second dmg meter

[halcyon valve]

its largely recommended to not use dungeon slice. in the past 5-target patchwerk was pretty standard.

[robust cypress]

I use dungeon route, but not sure if arms supports this sim type

[halcyon valve]

it used to work somewhat okay-ish before, but even then it lead to some freaky meme builds that performed well in sims, but were dogshit in real dungeons

shoutout spiteful serenity meme build s1 tww

[spark mango]

i think haste overall is best, thats how it was when it was 5%

and the reason behind it is how haste works as opposed to other stats

if i rememmber correctly, if you go haste you get more benefit from lust, your own haste procs, bird boss haste, etc

while other stats are static

[spark mango]

it means you are neglecting your cleave

both sudden death and opportunist can stack up to 2 times, which gives you ample time to spam cleave and still not lose a charge

[toxic osprey]

Yeah, when everything shine and proc, i'm lost to what to do and so my fingers press OP because 2 stacks and SD because it's shine

[spark mango]

cleave>everything

[toxic osprey]

Cleave > SD > OP, trying to keep it
My ST are ok/good on certains boss because the rota didn't change (i think ?)

[echo ibex]

i feel like im getting rage starved at ST boss fight am i doing smt wrong? am i pressin exe 2 much?

[spark mango]

when your rage drops below 70 use overpower, shattering throw

execute when it goes above 70

[echo ibex]

do i never press MS untill 2 EP?

[spark mango]

nope

[toxic osprey]

You still MS on less than 3 targets right ? or only with 2 stacks ?

[spark mango]

Ms is your filler

[echo ibex]

so i do OP/SLAM/HC then stack 2 EP then MS

[toxic osprey]

Ok, pressing to much then

HC still first prio on ST or 2 targets ?

[steep walrus]

whats hc?

[toxic osprey]

HS*

[spark mango]

heroic strike is top prio in St to avoid losing stacks, you execute 2 times or even 3 when rage capped, into mortal strike, if your rage is below 70, you may want to overpoewr more

[cunning burrow]

noob question rn, wich war dps spec is more easy rn? for news in this class

[spark mango]

idk if we talking about raid or dungeon here but in raid build, you double Exe>into mortal strike unless rage is below 70.60. if we talking new dungeon buld with opporunist, you spam execute and overpower and ignore mortal strike unless you are in colossus smash window, then you follow raid rules

but listen guys, take all of this with a grian of salt because i'm not the best guy to talk about this

my knowledge also limited and affected by my own experiences

[toxic osprey]

Taking every knowledges i can get, thanks a lot

[mortal crag]

Arms is easier than fury

[abstract sphinx]

im a dog that is allergic to 99 parses im a dog that is allergic to 99 parses im a dog that is allergic to 99 parses im a dog that is allergic to 99 parses

[stuck yacht]

Col or Slayer better for M+ now?

[strong notch]

oh shit ok explain i might agree with u if u answer correctly

[spark mango]

everything i said also was for slayer, let me note that

in colosuss build, exe is filler Ms is top prio

[mortal crag]

Arms has like 4 rotational buttons and they're insanely static

Meaning your priorities ALMOST never change

[strong notch]

i have a theory on the " Arms is easier than fury " argeument cause i kinda agree hear me out

[strong notch]

ok ok i hear u but there is a bigger reason imo

[mortal crag]

Furys rotational abilities revolve around procs, rage overcap, unintuitiveness with apex talents and overlapping mechanics

[stable fiber]

the hard part of arms isnt the rotation its cd management

[mortal crag]

Me when I send shit off cd 24/7

RAAAA

[strong notch]

Fury has waaay more haste when u BL on a boss and with ur cds bro like u need fast hands actually but arms feels abit slower

think of what i said who agrees

[stable fiber]

once u know what ur doing its not hard obviously

[mortal crag]

Yes that's part of the having 50 procs at the same time

[stable fiber]

but for a new player its probably overwhelming asf

[mortal crag]

SEND SHIT 24/7

CD management can be fixed very fast

A lot faster than rotation

[halcyon valve]

On the poll: when i have it talented, i use wrecking throw quite often for the interrupt, but whether its actually useful depends on the current group im in.
Defensive stance with stance mastery is just always good because of unavoidable damage

[mortal crag]

Whereas rotationally arms is way easier

[strange comet]

Personally, and that's all this is, I found MT to feel the easiest , but slurry a bit tougher to figure out. The two arms specs sandwiches right in the middle. Idk

[smoky kayak]

I think Arms is easy in a lot of ways, but I think it’s harder to parse in a lot of fights

[mortal crag]

I was speaking mostly m+

[halcyon valve]

[strong notch]

also with fury ur not supposed to always hit rampage so there is a huge skill there imo u need to calculate ur rage where u hit every BT or BB without capping rage thats not easy to do

[mortal crag]

But I also think for raiding arms is more easy to just "go st and blast"

Rather than worry about pad and cd timings

[pearl shore]

first m+ session as arms this season, do you ever press avatar/demolish/ravager without CS? they desync kinda hard for me, but maybe that's just bad play currently

[mortal crag]

You can demolish without cs on aoe as long as cs is like 10+ seconds

On st u line them up

[smoky kayak]

This is the hypothetical answer, but I’m looking for the practical one

• the vast majority of logs I looked at use either ability 0-3 times per dungeon

[mortal crag]

And the rest u line up with Colo

[pearl shore]

is there any cdr for demolish?

[mortal crag]

Yes

When you reach 10 colossal might stacks

[smoky kayak]

I’m not interested in what players think they should or would press more if the situation demands it, I wanna know what they’re actually doing

[mortal crag]

Each additional stack reduces by 5

[smoky kayak]

Cause logs suggest they’re p much all

[mortal crag]

Archi what's the tea

[halcyon valve]

Using stance mastery purely for the insane 3% crit damage

[pearl shore]

apart from the basic rotation, is there anything you'd really need to know to push some higher keys?

[mortal crag]

Huh

Routes and mobs? Prio targets? Mechanics?

[toxic osprey]

When to CD def, know what spells can kill you or not

[pearl shore]

ok that was to vague, let me rephrase

[heavy pewter]

The update only mentions m+.

Are we seeing the same changes in raid?

[smoky kayak]

new #updates-midnight poll
or go to id:customize, get yourself assigned, and you'll never miss out!

[pearl shore]

is there any rotational "advance tactics" that usual guides don't cover as to not overload the average player whereas high end players should absolute do it?

[mortal crag]

Ah I answered it

[lone raptor]

damage uptime is the great divider

[mortal crag]

You can minmax damage if you want to but the difference between omega minmaxing anf wowhead is minimal

[smoky kayak]

[strong notch]

ur fighting a 5 min single target boss with lust and everything whats harder to parse in ur opinion fury or arms ?

[mortal crag]

I answered the poll!

[smoky kayak]

hmm... I mean just a static single target? Honestly I feel like Fury in some ways is slightly harder

[strong notch]

YES

[mortal crag]

Fury

[strong notch]

thats what i said

its waaay faster

u have insane haste u have to think abit and manage ur rage in the meanwhile

or ?

[smoky kayak]

but when we're talking about more dynamic fights like Vorasius, Saladbar, or Vanguard, I feel like Arms is way harder to parse than Fury is

[flat willow]

The haste isn't that insane, it used to be insane

[mortal crag]

96 saladbar parse

[flat willow]

25% haste all the time

[mortal crag]

16 dragon parse

[smoky kayak]

in fairness, some of those things are up to your tank/group, not explicitly what you're doing

[mortal crag]

[flat willow]

Now that was pod racing

[smoky kayak]

but I feel like Fury is generally more forgiving to that fact than Arms is

[halcyon valve]

Stealing everyones parse on dragons by speccing colossus

[smoky kayak]

I got rank 4 on Dragons after 4 weeks of hilariously bad pulls

[mortal crag]

Man I need a do over

[strong notch]

mate on fury with lust i swear i press my abilities and they dont register sometimes so i have to slow down for my pc or maybe its the server or ping related

[mortal crag]

I have a 88 log on it but it's HIDDEN

BECAUSE I GQUIT

[smoky kayak]

like lmao

[strong notch]

when ur going full brrrrrr mode

[mortal crag]

and they STEALTH LOG

[bitter escarp]

lel

[smoky kayak]

just ridiculous shit, I get fear -> soak -> fear and just die during the 2nd intermission

[halcyon valve]

always keep gambling

[smoky kayak]

or someone just decides to jihad me during the soaks

[heavy pewter]

Are our raid talents changing with what was posted in updates?

[smoky kayak]

or one week I just hard DC'd in the middle of the fight because of course I did

[strong notch]

Archi why dont u work with Blizzard and make warrior great again sir

they are struggling fr

[smoky kayak]

no, if you're playing Slayer in raid, you're playing full ST (or at most, Broad + Powerful)

[heavy pewter]

Cheers!

[mortal crag]

Archi sandbagging warriors for 99 parses

[smoky kayak]

buddy I've been working with them for 20 years, p sure I got more tenure than most of them do

but the reality is that their goals and directives are not necessarily the same as ours - they look at different data, they have different concerns and objectives

[dim basalt]

Have they ever offered you a position?

[flat willow]

https://tenor.com/view/my-goals-are-beyond-your-understanding-reverse-flash-eobard-thawne-the-flash-gif-16637212

[smoky kayak]

on class team stuff? no, and I don't know that I'd particularly want to do it anyway - you lot annoy me enough already as it is

[dim basalt]

[strong notch]

xD

[terse osprey]

Arms or fury for lvling to 90?

[strong notch]

def fury mate

[dim basalt]

Fury

[smoky kayak]

once upon a time, I put in an application for their UX team, but they had already filled all positions by the time mine went through

[strong notch]

ETA GG

[dim basalt]

UX is probably the last thing Id ever want to work on

[smoky kayak]

they later contacted me and asked me to reapply for a different and actually more senior position, but then after about 2 months of interviews and another month of dead silence, they finally came back and told me I was overqualified for the position (that they told me to apply for)

[dim basalt]

lmao

[halcyon valve]

Damn

[bitter escarp]

Thats another way of saying they cant afford you

[smoky kayak]

or just a nicer way of saying they don't like me

but that was around the time I started working for WH full-time, so I've never bothered to try to get another position there... and knowing everything I do about what goes on internally over there, I'm probably better off for it tbh

[strong notch]

i think they dont want u to change stuff around for the better

they where afraid u might make warrior playable

[bitter escarp]

I hope we get a champion spear tier set

wowee

[fervent cedar]

blow up

[dim basalt]

+1

execute go brrr

wat

[smoky kayak]

I mean it's pretty playable; tuning is always a concern, but I actually think Warriors are in a pretty solid place, gameplay-wise

[halcyon valve]

They hate us because they aint us

[maiden moon]

@smoky kayak any chances you got a vod for your kill on dragons ?

[smoky kayak]

there are a few things that still need refinement

• Ravager needs to die
• Fury Bladestorm needs better alignment (Arms will too once we lose this tier set bonus)
• some talents are just perma dead

[fervent cedar]

magic damage dealers having to compete with phys damage dealers for one tier and their brains instantly explode

[smoky kayak]

one of our guys might have streamed it, but I don't have one, no

[dim basalt]

There arent even that many phys players on that level :(

[strong notch]

when u play colossus and ur barely above tank on single target thats bad design something isnt right

[toxic osprey]

Does arm need a little rage generation ? Like OP giving 5 rage ?

[smoky kayak]

it could probably use something, but my preferred solution would be to change Skyfury and then adjust rage to compensate more uniformly

[dim basalt]

Or rework how rage works for Arms

Because with how it currently works it will never be in a good state

[smoky kayak]

see, this is where its hard to have a serious conversation about issues, because hyperbole is so often thrown around - you should not be barely above the tank on ST

[strong notch]

they could make deep wounds just like it was in classic wow , on anything that crits u proc deep wounds i dont like the new desing with it

[fresh spire]

[smoky kayak]

which is not to say Colossus single target is great, but I am a pretty firm believer in strengths and weaknesses, and I don't have a serious issue with Colossus being smol single target / mega multitarget, to contrast with Slayer's bigger ST / smaller multitarget

[strong notch]

am bad i know but its not just me saying that the whole community mate feels this way

[smoky kayak]

the problem with that idea is that some other classes/specs are just inexplicably good at everything

[bitter escarp]

we just need to have baked in skyfury on melee specs and it should just be mastery buff

[dim basalt]

If you bake in skyfury for every spec you might as well remove it entirely and compensate it in a different way

[smoky kayak]

well that's another issue; a lot of people "feel" some way due to biased or sometimes simply outdated perceptions, which are hard to change

yeah I don't think you bake in Skyfury, that feels like unnecessary bloat

the extra AA thing is fine, it just does too much for some specs vs others

[strong notch]

they also should tune classes on the majority feedback and data not only like the top people

[dim basalt]

They dont tune around top people

[smoky kayak]

• just for the sake of example, Battle Shout and even Bloodlust are each worth ~5% for Warriors
• Skyfury is worth as much as 10% depending on the build

[dim basalt]

If that was the case they would have shot uhdk and ddh long time ago

I find it a bit irritating how many believe that Blizzard only cares about the top .1%

[bitter escarp]

something something internal testing

[strong notch]

when ur waiting for ur MS for 4 seconds and it hits for 40 or 50k like bruh come on now

[nova marsh]

People literally think that blizzard designs the entire game around top playets

[smoky kayak]

weren't you just saying that so many people feel something that isn't necessarily true though?
I think if you start making changes based on the loudest voices, it only encourages people to be louder, not necessarily more analytical

[nova marsh]

Despite piles of content that with that logic shouldnt exist

[smoky kayak]

tunining is not a democratic process, nor should it be

[dim basalt]

A game that cares too much about the best players cant sustain itself

Games have died that way in the past

[strong notch]

ok fair but i dunno man warrior still needs help is all am saying

[ionic mica]

idk seems pretty solid now

[smoky kayak]

I mean Colossus certainly doesn't, it's low key one of the strongest damage dealers in M+ right now

[stable fiber]

i think warrior is in a pretty solid spot

[dim basalt]

Arms hasnt been in such a solid state in a while

[strong notch]

i think downtime kills warrior the most and dungeon mechanics attribute to that maybe so it makes it extra bad

[stable fiber]

that isnt false but that doesnt make warrior bad

[ionic mica]

you have choices about what type of damage you want to be good at. if you want to be better than all the other specs that is a different thing xD

[dim basalt]

These dungeons have very little downtime for melees tho?

[smoky kayak]

part of it is probably that some specs are too universally strong, and I do think there's a longstanding ongoing bias against phys comps that isn't really warranted anymore

[stable fiber]

id say raid mechanics are fucking melee over the most right now

[dim basalt]

^

[stable fiber]

crown of the cosmos is the most melee unfriendly fight ever made i think

atleast on mythic

[fervent cedar]

there can be some annoying moments on specific bosses possibly but for the most part this dungeon pool isn't too bad, certainly not nearly as bad as other dungeon pools

[dim basalt]

The past few pools were definitely worse

[smoky kayak]

Yeah, that's a big one - if we're talking raid, Warrior's biggest weakness, since practically its inception, is downtime

• not only because they can't deal any damage from range, but also because they're not regenerating resources while off target

[strong notch]

do u feel that when DK does double ur damage on the first mega pull of each key while also doing higher in every boss ?

[halcyon valve]

I once had a streak of 5 ms in a row not critting. Feels super shit when youre at above 30% crit

[stable fiber]

not really

because it evens out

and i beat them

[smoky kayak]

as long as they come out more or less the same by the end, I don't think it matters all that much

[dim basalt]

Col can absolutely deal with uhdks in overall

[strong notch]

sure but man u have to REALLY sweat to beat them and if u do they are prolly not that good or ur insane too

[bitter escarp]

woah woah woah guys, we cant be hating on our melee brethren, let us point at devourer and aug

[dim basalt]

Good dks are playing keys at 20+

[fervent cedar]

nah uhdk can blow up too, that spec is borderline not even a melee dps

[dim basalt]

Below that you can prob gap them as Slayer even

[strong notch]

also speaking of desing why is warrior never meta spec in high keys ?? thats a discussion

Design *

[smoky kayak]

Warriors are sustained damage dealers, and yeah it might be nice if one of their specs were more big cooldown/burst oriented, they do keep up as long as they can sustain damage

its those raid fights like Crown that really punish them

[halcyon valve]

Devourer grrrrr

[dim basalt]

Both warrior specs are meta in phys comp

[fervent cedar]

this is honestly a tuning problem more than anything else
if dps warrior did the more damage than every other class then you'd see them everywhere
and as stjpa said, dps warrior is a staple in phys comps right now anyways, perfectly playable

[strong notch]

i dunno i feel the meta comp are DK ,DH and evoker or feral

from what am seeing and i play alot

[dim basalt]

In the right setting colossus probably beats ddh as well

But the difference is that col needs some babysitting, ddh does not

[strong notch]

then they should tune the class around whats "normal" like in a pug where ur stacks go zero after each pack while the tank gathers the next

to compensate

[bitter escarp]

CM should never go to 0 between pulls, if the tank wont pull, you grab some mob and pop dbts and ms that guy

[dim basalt]

We dont need to homogenise (?) the game

[strong notch]

sure but thats not normal because ur risking taking aggro and dying

[dim basalt]

Having lots of different scenarios and thus different strengths and whatever is what makes the game so diverse in the first place

[strong notch]

am speaking on how to tune the class for the average players guys

[bitter escarp]

hes got 8 seconds to taunt off, if you have to do it every pull swap to dstance and take a few autos

[dim basalt]

They already tune for the average player

[fervent cedar]

warrior is perfectly fine in the hands of the average player

both arms and fury

[strong notch]

ok thats good

[fervent cedar]

in lower keys, how you play matters more than anything else

[strong notch]

am just trying to speak my mind to make it better thats all i still think we need better tuning

[fervent cedar]

I beat an UHDK as slayer fury in an AA today, there's no reason I should be beating them but I did because I played better

[strong notch]

good for u huge W

[formal ember]

colossus, if youre playing with a tank that knows how to pull/play around you is for sure one of the strongest DPS in m+ rn

[hushed pine]

People voting for Defensive Stance are weird

[mortal crag]

Last season had maybe 2 or 3 horrible bosses for melee, this pool has more

[bitter escarp]

its super useful

[fervent cedar]

the important thing about this is to not wish to be on top all of the time. Someone will always be on top, someone will always be on bottom. From my perspective, as long as we are not dead last, we can always make things work

[mortal crag]

Are u doing 10s or 21s

[hushed pine]

So is Javelineer

[formal ember]

especially if there is funnel available to pull onto bosses

[hushed pine]

I'm 2,9k, I barely get invited to 4's

[smoky kayak]

its useful, but based on all the logs I've looked at, there are about 300 liars on that poll right now

[mortal crag]

So obviously u don't need defensive stange

[strong notch]

we are dead last if the other classes are on equal level as u cause bosses take alot of time and they do way more

[mortal crag]

Me when I use dstance

https://tenor.com/view/armswarrior-warrior-warriorwow-armswow-armswarriorwow-gif-27099127

[fervent cedar]

if you care about boss damage more you have options
slayer is pretty sick right now, give it a shot

[formal ember]

its mega usefull IF you actually use it

[fervent cedar]

I'd also argue slayer is more pug friendly than colossus

[mortal crag]

It is

[formal ember]

100% agree

[strong notch]

true its fun

[smoky kayak]

I've looked at a few hundred logs of various key levels and parses - not all top end +22 or people doing +10s
and in my experience, the average number of times either DStance or Wrecking Throw is used is 0-3 times per key

[fervent cedar]

I use wrecking throw all of the time personally

its very useful this dungeon pool I feel

[hushed pine]

Having a ranged interrupt is so good

[smoky kayak]

it's definitely useful, I just feel like people think about using it more than they actually use it

[fervent cedar]

very true

[mortal crag]

Check how many times u genuinely press it

[smoky kayak]

but yes, both capabilities are very good to have

[mortal crag]

Rather than say all the time

[formal ember]

as i just said before, colossus is insane IF your tank knows how to play around you and understands how much dmg we can gain from effective funnel

[mortal crag]

@latent moss omegacone

Do u have the apl again

[brazen sigil]

Stance mastery also good for that passive 3% crit

[dim basalt]

Guess I dont remember last season too well then

Feels pretty chill this season

[smoky kayak]

it's not bad, but pretty even with the extra MS damage from Crushing Force

[strong notch]

but u lost 5% damage and crit for Mortal strike so ur giving up something to take it

lose *

[smoky kayak]

yeah it more or less washes out

[mortal crag]

This thing?

[strong notch]

they wont give u def stance as a gift

[mortal crag]

For st?

[smoky kayak]

that's actually my biggest complaint with stance mastery btw

[strong notch]

see we need u in there

[austere hamlet]

has to be stance mastery no, shit is op

[strong notch]

but if ur happy we are happy

[smoky kayak]

as much as I love the mega defensive value, it's always going to be criminally underutilized, because players simply do not like the idea of giving up damage for defense

[formal ember]

a dead dps does 0 dps

[smoky kayak]

so if I had the chance to redesign Stance Mastery, I would like to try interving it

[hushed pine]

Have you tried not dying

[smoky kayak]

• Give Defensive Stance a small +damage bonus (partially mitigating the normal 10% damage loss)
• Give Battle Stance a small +defense bonus (not as big as what you get from DStance)

[formal ember]

ive definately been saved a good few times by stand dancing

[austere hamlet]

but you have to include stance mastery in the wowhead build, otherwise warriors will be dropping dead left and right

[pearl shore]

icy veins and wowhead differ in their multi target rotation, is any guide more corect/closer to the current apl?

[smoky kayak]

so instead of making each stance better at what they already do, reduce the downside of being in each stance

[halcyon valve]

Press spell reflect
If you die anyway, blame the healer
/j

[hushed pine]

There was a time BStance gave a small damage reduction

Good times

[formal ember]

nah, defensives ruin my parse

[smoky kayak]

IV is frozen atm while undergoing some big renovation, so it might be a couple steps behind, but they should be pretty artificial

• keeping Cleave on cooldown is 95% of your rotation anyway

[formal ember]

when you spell reflect but the cast gets kicked

[strong notch]

id also shorten the swap cooldown , when u wanna go back to battle stance u gotta wait like 3 or 4 seconds

[formal ember]

https://giphy.com/gifs/1BXa2alBjrCXC

[strong notch]

xD trueeee

[terse osprey]

Rip lol

[hushed pine]

I usually yell at whoever interrupted the cast

[formal ember]

omega feels bad

[pearl shore]

ravagar and avatar dont check for colossus smash, execute > op > ms while wowhead says ms > op > exec, but i'll just stick to wowhead then

[halcyon valve]

Particularly painful if youre in voice with full premade, you announce it, and someone kicks anyway 😔
Same goes for „let me kick, i get 5% dmg on the boss“ and suddenly everyone starts interrupting

[formal ember]

i even have it macro'ed to say "SPELL REFLECT UP ON FOCUS TARGET"

[smoky kayak]

tbf the check isn't really necessary, it's kinda just there to dummy proof people who don't know better

[formal ember]

nah fr tho - u never get ur dmg increase

[smoky kayak]

e.g. avatar and cs align all the time anyway unless you've done something weird

[pearl shore]

would you ever hold cs/avatar if ravager is close to being up?

[smoky kayak]

See, I'm wary of doing this - MoP had only a 1.5s lockout, which is much more reactive, but introduces a much higher action-tax because players will start constantly swapping to defensive for every hit and immediately back to battle

[strong notch]

i see what u mean

[halcyon valve]

If its at most 8-10 seconds maybe

[agile lichen]

Hey guys. I’ve run into an issue and wanted to check if anyone else has experienced this or if it's just me. On Beloren egg during BL, or basically on any situation after BS (when the +15% haste kicks in), if I press Execute twice in a row during the execute phase, the first one works fine, but the second one triggers the GCD without dealing damage or granting a second EP stack.
The only workaround I've found is using a sequence like ex-op-ex-ms, but it feels pretty clunky because I’m overflowing with rage sometimes. I have no idea how to fix this. I've submitted a ticket, but I doubt they’ll even notice it

[smoky kayak]

which is very strong and very fun to pull off, but also a lot of extra button presses and influences a lot of extra defensive value - the most likely result would be nerfing things like DBTS/ER/SR/Warpaint in favor of pressing Defensive Stance more, effectively forcing that extra action tax on everyone

[strong notch]

i disagree i think u send 8 seconds is alot but wtf do i know

because remember ravager has static cd

[formal ember]

ive personally never seen or experienced it

[smoky kayak]

all that extra oGCD inflation worked better when you had a static 1.5s GCD, but you gotta be more careful of it now

[mortal crag]

First 3s of defensive stance u get %10 damage fading over the duration, it makes it so it's not a giant dps loss

Battle stance passive 3% Dr or 3% leech or sth idk

[formal ember]

now that is kinda a neat idea

leech makes more sense

[pearl shore]

how do you handle capping rage? is never capping rage a unwritten rule or does it just happen if you get a streak of op/ms procs?

[smoky kayak]

kind of a similar direction yeah, I could get behind it

[halcyon valve]

Yeah its situational. There are time when you just send it, but if youre starting into a pull thats gonna live 30+ seconds, you might aswell take it chill and then do big dmg with everything combined

[mortal crag]

Pog make me balance designer

https://tenor.com/view/pog-gif-18640695

[smoky kayak]

as long as you're pressing your buttons, it shouldn't ever really be a concern - it might happen occasionally if you get some crazy proc streaks after Bladestorm, but capping rage isn't a big deal as long as you're not ever starving on rage

• that's also why Overwhelming Rage isn't actually all that strong of a talent for Arms and can easily be dropped in many M+ builds

[mortal crag]

Btw fury will now be fully uncapped and arms has infinite scaling funnel

[strong notch]

true makes sense , yea for like the very start of the pull while mobs are still coming id hold for it

i dunno rage capping i dont feel it in arms but i def feel it on fury which actually is a challenge because i think i end up sending more Rampages than i should

[ionic mica]

an extra slam for each 3 additional targets cleave hits

[formal ember]

they day they make fury un capped i will be a very happy man

[mortal crag]

AN EXTRA SLAM ON THE EXTRA SLAM

YOU SLAM 5 ADDITIONAL TIMES

[ionic mica]

first pull AA, the lasher just disappears

[mortal crag]

AND THEY ALL DO 250% INCREASED DAMAGE

[ionic mica]

dw guys i slammed it 30 times

[smoky kayak]

so to answer more specifically, follow the rotation and do not modify it based on being high on rage

• e.g. if you're at 110 rage, do not press Slam instead of Overpower, just for the sake of spending rage
  occasionally, you may decide to prioritize Slam or something if you're trying to get CS off cooldown right before an add spawn, but that's much more situational

[mortal crag]

https://tenor.com/view/explosion-mushroom-cloud-atomic-bomb-bomb-boom-gif-4464831

[toxic osprey]

Slam have 50% to re-slam then 25% to re-slam ect

[strong notch]

managing rage on fury while doing the correct rotation with lust is a challenge and a skill imo

[formal ember]

they could never make it fully uncapped tho, convert from hard cap to soft cap at 8 mobs or something

[mortal crag]

Just bring back tww s3

Softcap 8 with infinite reaps
Hardcap 5 omega turbo blast

[formal ember]

i do it so "without thinking" ithat i cant even explain it lol

[formal ember]

faaarrrrkkk i wish

[strong notch]

like for example me the average warrior right ? i tend to double Rampage when i notice am full on rage but i think thats not the correct rotation

[mortal crag]

Cuz it isn't

[strong notch]

yep

but i have "rage cap" ocd i rather fuck up my rotation than risk overcapping rage cause am slow to send the next rampage after BT or whatever

[formal ember]

while in recklessness, best advice i can give is just always be sending BB/BT on cd, and to avoid having nothing worthwile to cast try to cast rampage at 100 rage, considering we want to absolutely avoid RB

thats what i do anyways

[strong notch]

i know the rotation its just applying it is trinky still

[formal ember]

works fine for me

[strong notch]

tricky *

so just to make things simple i just double rampage xD

[formal ember]

yea it takes a bit - its very fast paced and you have to be able to react to BB/BT resets like, instantly

[strong notch]

yep i know

[formal ember]

when you do ur opener, do you just send odyns fury? i like to try stack up berserking to like 6-7 stacks before sending it

[strong notch]

the insane top players with always have their rage dancing super high but never overcap it somehow

will *

[spice field]

okay not gonna lie slayer without battlelord is crazy

[formal ember]

yea it takes alotta skill to be able to manage rage effectively

[strong notch]

agree

[pearl shore]

my m+ team wanted to switch to phys comp which left me with warrior (I played it in the past, but not since TWW). Whats exactly our role this season? What are our strengths? Why do people switch between arms and fury per key?

[formal ember]

i agree but the numbers dont lie

warrior are great at sustained dmg

[spice field]

true but feeling of the bladestorm and execute

oh my god bro

[latent moss]

y

[pliant heath]

So is slayer the go to for M+ atm or is colossus still king? i seen the sim numbers and im really trying to figure out why people are running slayer in higher dungeons VS colossus

[formal ember]

arms has very good aoe as colossus, good ST boss dmg with a bit lower AOE

IMO colossus is better in a group that your in voice comms with

slayer better for pugs

[spice field]

people are not switch between arms and fury per key first of all, they do it on mythic raids because arms is still not that good in raids

[formal ember]

arms is overall better than fury for M+

[pearl shore]

I have seen people play fury in high keys

[formal ember]

it can work

its honestly not that far behind arms in terms of dmg

[pliant heath]

yoda has fury and arms as S tier so, it can't be that big of a difference

[spice field]

like you can even play most non meta class

[strong notch]

Arms as a design and this my own idea for it should be slow but hit like a truck , when u MS u should feel it , not hit with 50k xd

[pliant heath]

but i do sim a LOT better on fury, but the BIG aoe packs arms feels so much better, im so torn lmao

[pliant heath]

100% agree, i feel liek arms hsould be slow but methodical, vs fury is just ZUG

[spice field]

i agree with that bro but instead of MS we get that feeling from EXECUTE right now

[strong notch]

yep Arms is more fun in M+ for that reason

[formal ember]

also. i feel that fury is absolutely amazing in certain comps where you just chain pull the entire dungeon

like

[strong notch]

agree agree with both

[formal ember]

0 stopping between packs

[spice field]

but you don't chain pull mostly and it's not an optimal way to do in high keys

[pliant heath]

im def more experienced on fury but been trying out arms lately, feels way more impactful but yeah if chaining i can see fury feeling better

[formal ember]

i could be wrong in terms of actual output but my tank likes to chain packs

[pliant heath]

i can see arms being better for tanks who pull big finish, then pull big again

[spice field]

your tank needs to change his gameplay if it is compatible with your team he can ofc chain pull

[formal ember]

how so? im happy to hear your opinion but as long as healer can manage mana properly, i feel like not stopping between packs and dragging mobs and chaining packs together can save hella time

thats what i tend to do - imo u kinda have to as prot warr to not lose rage anyways

[strong notch]

i dont think chaining packs gradually is good for arms cause u wanna CS as many targets as possible

[nova marsh]

Thats bad tanking in general imo

[spice field]

like imagine you chain pulling during fight you spent your cooldowns on the first 6 pack, then your buffs are about to finish you are not gonna start the second pack with that buffs

[formal ember]

thats why im saying that it works better for the dmg profile of fury, esp MT

[crimson furnace]

I’m not sure what it is but warrior is t clicking with me this season I am sucking in both arms and fury.

[strong notch]

yep

[spice field]

it can be like rend, CS or whatever you say

[nova marsh]

If you like pull two packs, letting dps pop off, then pull another?

Thats terrible

[formal ember]

i feel like im explaining poorly

hang on

[spice field]

No if you think logically he is right but the math and the conditions during fight has a lot of different chances

so that math is not compatible with chain pull

[strong notch]

mate join the club we will get better surely

[spice field]

if the group has a lot of full of DOT like affliction warlock, maybe fire mage e.t.c

[crimson furnace]

From what I see it’s doing ok but I’m not sure why I can’t seem to succeed in it the rotation isn’t even hard

[spice field]

some cases with this one it is ok to be chain pull SOME packs

but mostly top class right now has instant damage i guess? so not for now

[nova marsh]

Ehh tbh

[latent moss]

he cooked 1x ct no? i ran sims pre .5 and some 1x ct was the best

[formal ember]

what im meaning is gathering - mostly killing the pack then moving to gather the next packs as ur dps finish off the first pack - generally when im doing it i start moving away and gathering next pack at about 15%

[nova marsh]

2 of the top classes are ramp classes (udk and dev)

[strong notch]

apparently u have to have minimum 2 stacks of Sweaping strikes when u demolish remember that chat

[formal ember]

rather than gather pack - kill pack - move to nect pack

but doing it in a way that there is no down time between packs - rogues be damned

[nova marsh]

You archknowledge that style fucks over at least one class

[spice field]

guys let me ask you something real quick, i just played my first SLAYER OG build and i am confusing after pack has below %35 health, how to properly use execute there?

[nova marsh]

And as a rogue player that shit is actually infuriating to play wity

[nova marsh]

Dont change it until theres 2 targets

Then do st exe rotation

[pearl shore]

when people talk about arms funnel

they mean 3+ targets for cleave right?

[spice field]

i am going like this CS-CLEAVE 3X-MORTAL STRIKE TO RESET CLEAVE (IF NOT) going execute-execute-execute sweeping strikes thgen execute

[serene skiff]

Execute instead of OP when you’re over 85%ish rage, then MS to flush EP stacks

[strong notch]

i just thought of something u know the first lust pull of each key i think we should send SS before they even finish so that its back after the second CS

but i never do it ofc

[formal ember]

yea, my group doesnt have a rogue so we can pull like that. obv if i was running with a rogue we wouldnt pull like that - weve jyst found the start that works best for oujr play styles and comp so we run like that

[strong notch]

because after second CS i notice i have to wait abit for it

but maybe am tripping

[formal ember]

yes, with fervor of battle talent, if cleave hits 3 or more you cast a slam or heroic strike on your primary target. which is really nice cause it doesnt cost any extra rage or globals

[serene skiff]

Arms has 3 rotations : Packs (3+), ST (1-2) and Execute (also 1-2)

[strong notch]

the 2 target rotation is the hardest for me

cause u see that glowing cleave but do i press it do i not ? xD

[pearl shore]

isnt execute just basically switch execute (with SD) and op in prio?

[strong notch]

fucking with my head

[quiet remnant]

Where can I find the recommended arms slayer for raid?

[serene skiff]

It’s your ST rotation with sweeping strike… Litteraly the same thing

[formal ember]

this is far more effective for colossus, as it helps reduce demolish CD

[strong notch]

ok so no cleave

[spice field]

like there is 5 pack i am fighting and the healths are below %35, you basically saying keep your aoe rotation, use execute as FILLER if i am over %85 rage, if not use OP? then when i am going to use MS during fight?

[strong notch]

or last prio i guess

[serene skiff]

Only use MS in aoe when you have 2 stacks of EP

[ionic mica]

in 2t cleave is only pressed if you have 3 stacks of collateral damage, ahead of pressing slam

[crimson furnace]

Do you guys like demolish having a cast on a warrior feels weird for me.

[formal ember]

i belive u only cast cleave on 2 targets if the mobs are under 35% health AND u have nothing else to press OR u have ravager up

[nova marsh]

Do you mind bladestorm

[formal ember]

oh shi and colat dmg

[strong notch]

this is more correct i think

[ionic mica]

fairly certain its not a gain to cleave over slam there

[strong notch]

and ur correct too

[ionic mica]

or at least negligible gains

[formal ember]

colateral dmg is also a big consideration

[strong notch]

but the glow fucks me i press it over OP sometimes

[mortal crag]

U got one for at?

St

[formal ember]

i think its like, just barely better

[crimson furnace]

I but I also don’t stand completely still when o cast Bladestorm

[strong notch]

but the good thing cleave on 2 targets doesnt spend SS stack right ?

on the plus side

[formal ember]

not at 2 targets

[strong notch]

yep

[ionic mica]

its so close to the bottom of the prio it doesnt really matter tbh

[serene skiff]

SS should be 100% on because of CS

[formal ember]

yea true that

[ionic mica]

i dont actually know which is which just remember archi saying after the deep wounds on slam change that slam is basically just better than cleave outside of 3t+

[spice field]

in slayer build i feel like warbreaker is not coming fast as in CS build ?

am i doin somethin wrong or

[ionic mica]

as colo you will almost always be able to OP or MS in 2t and as slayer im not playing mass exe anyway so cleave in 2t is very low down

[latent moss]

exe:
actions.slayer_execute+=/mortal_strike,if=buff.executioners_precision.stack=2&debuff.colossus_smash.up
actions.slayer_execute+=/overpower,if=buff.opportunist.up&talent.opportunist
actions.slayer_execute+=/execute,if=rage>40|buff.sudden_death.up
actions.slayer_execute+=/overpower
actions.slayer_execute+=/execute

st:
actions.slayer_st+=/heroic_strike
actions.slayer_st+=/mortal_strike
actions.slayer_st+=/execute,if=buff.sudden_death.up
actions.slayer_st+=/overpower
actions.slayer_st+=/rend,if=dot.rend_dot.remains<=5
actions.slayer_st+=/slam

BIG warning: i removed parts that were irrelevant for m+ like fierce followthrough lines and martial prowess

[spice field]

i think it's because i am not spending rage as i do in CS build in SLAYER

[ionic mica]

there is a bug with sudden death that makes it add a second to the cd of CS sometimes

and also you just are spending less rage cos you have a load of SD procs

[spice field]

it's not bug

[ionic mica]

whereas colo you are spam spending

[spice field]

sudden death doesn't waste rage as i know

[ionic mica]

no as in

your cs cd will have a second added to it sometimes when you sd exe

[spice field]

so pressing it not reduce our WB

[formal ember]

tf is this

[ionic mica]

like reverse cdr

[latent moss]

for ragish

m+ massacre 2x ct build prio

[spice field]

ah so it's a common bug you say?

[sacred zodiac]

why would you do this cone?

[ionic mica]

idk i dont really notice it but people here say its a thing since beta midnight?

[sacred zodiac]

oh ye its there

[ionic mica]

its not gonna stop you pressing sd exe as slarms

[sacred zodiac]

a different version of it existed in tww

[latent moss]

feeling malicious so someone reading this chat will interpret it as st rota and play the spec wrong

[rancid willow]

What sorta overall numbers should i be pulling in a +16 as Col? Let’s say…MT.

[sacred zodiac]

i too look up random apl and blindly start playing htem

[spice field]

i do think people are confusing this one, it deals damage like YOU HAVE 40 rage, but it is not spending your rage so it means sudden death can't reduce WB

[ionic mica]

no you arent understanding

[spice field]

no i understand

[sacred zodiac]

it literally increases the cooldown of your warbreaker by 1 second

you do not understand

[ionic mica]

the bug is literally adding a second to the cd

10s left til cs

sd exe

11s

[spice field]

i just can't believe right now that blizzard keeping this bug since beta of midnight

[strong notch]

wtf i didnt know this

[formal ember]

thats a wild bug

[ionic mica]

nothing to do with anger management

[spice field]

that's why i am trying to figure out

[formal ember]

wtf

[strong notch]

with colossus or which spec ?

[ionic mica]

it doesnt matter you still press sd exe either way

just annoying

idk if its slayer only or not cos pressing exe as colo is so rare

[spice field]

i understand it you guys saying its not about the spending to reduce its CD you guys saying it ADDS CD on it

but man

[formal ember]

i would love to know from a programming perspective how tf bugs like that even come to existance

[spice field]

since beta fix this sh1t lol

[lament plank]

Reason why we don't take stance mastery?

[ionic mica]

you take it if you need it

think its marginally less damage when various guides were made

[lament plank]

Okay, was there a cut-off for crit %?

[ionic mica]

eh idk

if you use dstance then take it

or if you find you need more dr

or more like, if you are happy to drop javelineer for it

[mortal crag]

What's the last 2 lines on exec phase

[minor gust]

He sent me the x2CT + mass and the apl for it

[mortal crag]

So the prio for st execute is
Ms with cs and 2ep
Op with opportunist
SD proc exec or over 40 rage
Op
Exec
?
Never press rend or ms or slam or heroic strike?

[spice field]

well as a game dev i have a theory about this shit, in some development cases if the math is complex enough, there is a small respond time in every action we do in games, those respond times has a calculation in miliseconds, but in that miliseconds of calculation if the mechanic that calculates in a code flow needs to be calculated shorter miliseconds IF NOT it overrides numbers and can cause a bug like mashrek said like reversing

i am not %100 sure about that tho, just a theory

[latent moss]

hs is top prio

[latent moss]

the other 3 no

[formal ember]

a game theory perhaps?

[latent moss]

rend is kept up with bloodletting

exe is better slam

[mortal crag]

Oh ye true

[latent moss]

ms is bad without all buffs and extending cs

[formal ember]

thats interesting

[mortal crag]

So in exec hs above all?

[spice field]

it's like you tell computer you need to calculate this function in 0.2 sec and if it's overlap with something and it can't or delay, the code is overrides and can cause bugs like this

[formal ember]

hmmmm. very interesting

[latent moss]

y

[mortal crag]

Alr good to know

[smoky kayak]

its the same rotation as current apl/guides btw
you can also simplify it by consolidating the Overpower/Execute checks if you want to

• they're a minor gain when using Skyfury, but a minor loss when not, so it kinda washes out in the long run

[mortal crag]

Hello folks!

I wanna make a little video about current iteration of warrior. Feel free to help out if you don't mind 🙏

I would love people from all skill levels to hit my dms with their opinion about how they enjoy arms so far

• keys and raid (state what level of content you do)
• colo and slayer
• positives and negatives
• how intuitive/easy/smooth/fun the class feels
• how strong do you feel
• biggest turn ons and biggest turn offs about current iteration
• older variations of the class you enjoyed and if so, why?

Every DM will be helpful! Thanks! 🙏❤️

[burnt gale]

Just gonna say it. I hate pressing Rend more than Slam. It's a useless maintenance buff. Without it we still have the same complexity and decision tree, just all the buttons we push instead would show big numbers

[smoky kayak]

Rend was a lot more interesting when we had Skullsplitter, or even when it was tied to Impale

now it's just... there

[formal ember]

slayer fury is just as awkward using rend (in ST specifically)

[mystic summit]

the quality of pugs has taken a nosedive this week i feel

[meager shadow]

most of my wow friends list are on D4 rn, maybe that has something to do with it

[upper sparrow]

how can one nosedive if one is already on floor

[mystic summit]

as soon as i join a key and see the guidance thingy ik im in for a ride

[meager shadow]

any advice on weapon ench? between jan'alai and berserker. a good chunk of my gear needs replacing so not sure simming will help and see its fairly even split on murlok

[upper sparrow]

I’ve been thinking about seeing how high I can take my alt tanking and strictly using guidance

[mystic summit]

had a wipe on the first pull of pit +10 🙂

tank was 3k io

like im just trying to fill my vault man

then theres ppl on meta specs doing 80k overalls too

[stable fiber]

slarms seat 17

still high overalls

!!!

[random trout]

https://tenor.com/view/stares-in-wtf-wtf-wtf-meme-wtf-gif-fox-news-gif-7522361706442941443

[lean geode]

dk afk or

[stable fiber]

almost highest boss dps world for a 17

amongst all specs

this shit CRANKS

[random trout]

been watching Khazix stream all day while working dude is an AI

[stable fiber]

275k dps on the 3 target boss

wtf?

just so we are aware

THIS IS SAPRISH ONLY

???

is this not vile prio damage

[rose matrix]

Slayer or Colossus?

Nevermind I see

I was doing 100k st to the first boss in AA even with the hunter I had padding on the adds hard

Slarms prio is pretty insane ya

[pulsar frost]

You had a dad?

[pulsar frost]

That's kinda insane

[stable fiber]

yeah i mean i knew it was gross from d1 when i tested it in a maisara

but i didnt log that maisara

[pulsar frost]

What makes the prio good on slayer tho compared to colo

[stable fiber]

havent had alot of funnel onto bosses since then

the prio on slayer is just execute doing so much now

[rose matrix]

Yeah you smash execute a ton

[pulsar frost]

Ha you're assuming I havw thr SD rng or rage to execute

Lots

[clever wave]

Is it rage starved still?

[stable fiber]

it has the same funnel aspects as colossus minus a couple of things (one against many and cdr on demolish), but it makes up for those losses in SD/Execute damage

and OP hits hard

its rage starved in execute

as per usual

[rose matrix]

If you have a shaman it helps a lot

[stable fiber]

but everything else its typically aight

[rose matrix]

But in execute phase it's literally just execute spam with ops in between

outside of an occasional ms with 2 ep and cs

[pulsar frost]

Meanwhile afk waiting for rage for exe

[clever wave]

I might try it seems like a lot of groups I play in lack prio

[stable fiber]

ive done a lot of keys the past 2 days

and i will say

the mob you target almost always dies first

its pretty cool

[rose matrix]

You notice the prio really quick if you swap to Fury for one dungeon

I did Thane once in AA after the patch

Instantly felt like the target wasn't dying

[clever wave]

I’ve just been playing thane but overall is nice until you get to the part where you don’t time it because a mob outlives a pack for 30 seconds

[rose matrix]

Are you guys sending Execute above OP in aoe when at higher rage? Or just sending it before MS

[stable fiber]

im ngl

im just kinda pushing the buttons

but i think its SD > OP > Exe

in that scenario

actually let me clear this up

SD > 2 charges of OP > Exe > 1 charge of OP

[clever wave]

This sounds fun af I’m try it tn

Stat prio still crit haste ?

[stable fiber]

yeah

noting changes

[clever wave]

I need that neck from saladhands man

[stable fiber]

haste maybe is slightly higher but crit still good

[clever wave]

Dope Ty for info

[rose matrix]

Yea pretty much the same but Slayer does like haste more than Colossus

[stable fiber]

SD procs are very important and those proc more if you have higher haste

[clever wave]

I wonder if guidon

[stable fiber]

although it wont change much

[clever wave]

Is good

Vs heart

[stable fiber]

i dont think guidon

slayer is very throughputty

[clever wave]

[rare kite]

who da fuk is saprish

[stable fiber]

most of your burst is proc based (SD procs) instead of during CD essentially imo

[clever wave]

One of the 3 bosses in seat council

[stable fiber]

the big tall guy in the 3t boss in seat

aka 2nd boss of the dungeon

[minor gust]

Slayer owns. What was Lura dmg? Think my highest was like 150 160

[rare kite]

oh the trio boss

[stable fiber]

it died like 8 seconds into the 2nd damage amp

so not ideal

[minor gust]

F

So happy to see all the slarms enjoyers

[stable fiber]

i think its just better then colossus

like the overalls are on par

the boss damage is way better

the prio is way better

[upper sparrow]

you have any VODs friend?

[stable fiber]

idk

[stable fiber]

click on my discord profile and click the twitch link

my vod should be up already

today and yesterday

[rare kite]

even if overall is like 15k lower overall i still think it's better to go slayer

[upper sparrow]

[stable fiber]

that was highest overall 17 seat on arms

[rose matrix]

I would still say a few dungeons are better for Colossus

Seat and Spire you can swap at the end

[stable fiber]

i need to do higher keys but

[minor gust]

Colo feels only good if you are guaranteed the funnel

[stable fiber]

im working on it

[rare kite]

mostly PoS

[rose matrix]

I would take it in Maisara too

[pulsar frost]

Biz agrees with that

[rare kite]

yea probably. i've not set foot in maisara in so long xD

[rose matrix]

It's good in Spire until last boss

Which you get port out and swap

If you really want to

You guys are running Powerful Momentum over Mass Exe right?

It sims way better for me in aoe

Well not way better but better

[rare kite]

yea

dude i swear anytime i read powerful momentum my brain stops for a second. i just call it strong sweep vs long sweep

[minor gust]

I've swapped over to PM yeah from what Ive seen it fits the build better

[random trout]

whats you guys opener generally looking like on pulls with lust

[rose matrix]

Man the charge through Gale Surge sketches me out every time

[rose matrix]

Right now with Slayer I am just sending Avatar and CS into BS

[random trout]

yeah same, then sending 3 cleaves after and SD procs on CD

[smoky kayak]

I would try to Rend first on the charge or something, but yeah that's generally what you want to do

[random trout]

right of course rend forgot that

[smoky kayak]

earlier versions had Cleave before Bladestorm, to try to get an SD proc somewhere for Imminent Demise, but we ended up simplifying it down to just sending BS for the sake of consistency - if you delay Bladestorm, even if you still get it within Colossus Smash, you may have a harder time getting it back off cooldown in time for the next Colossus Smash

so it just ended up being simpler and a little more consistent to prioritize Bladestorm instead of trying to gamba for SD procs and then squeeze Bladestorm into the tail end of Colossus Smash instead

[rose matrix]

Wasn't it also much better when we had 1 extra Cleave from Crushing Combo

Felt like with 4 I would always get one, with three not so much

[smoky kayak]

get one what, SD proc? I mean one more cast is one more chance to get a proc, sure

[rose matrix]

Yea I am talking about SD procs. Felt like when I had 4 Cleaves to send after CS I would pretty consistently get at least one proc vs now not really

[smoky kayak]

well you're going from 4 chances at something to 3, so yeah it's pretty natural that it's going to be less frequent

[rose matrix]

Yeah I was just bringing it up because it seems around the time they changed that it became more favorable to use BS instead of sending your Cleaves first

Was wondering if maybe the chance of only using 3 instead of 4 just made it more worth to send BS over fishing for a SD proc

[latent moss]

prio is lower

but

[stable fiber]

i dont think so

like

[latent moss]

i mean on sims it is idk from my experience it doesnt matter

prio mob explodes either way

when i play arms

[keen siren]

Guys slayer fury is also very good dmg too

[minor gust]

sir this is arms not fury

[latent moss]

fury is cope

[keen siren]

Fury is such high apm tho idk I think I like arms more

[rose matrix]

Fury = pad

Fury and Arms apm isn't that far apart I don't think

[keen siren]

Fury is def higher tho

[latent moss]

fury apm is a lot higher

[keen siren]

Yea cuz ur enraged

And shit

Lots of passives that increase ur haste

So ur just spamming rampage a lot during ur reck

I like slayer arms spamming execute feels pretty good

[nova marsh]

Ngl it feels wrong spamming rampage

[limpid oxide]

So when trash mobs (2T) are 35% or lower in slarms, we're prioritizing exec and what else?

[pulsar frost]

we're playing pwoerful now over mass exe? for slarms

[steep tree]

how many more delves til rank 10

i keep doing bountiful 11 but it gets me so little

[dire hinge]

for 2 target just follow the Single target execute priority, but keep sweeping strikes up

[latent moss]

refer to wowhead slayer m+ tree

thats the massacre ct one

[ashen trout]

yall playing slayer in POS or colo?

[latent moss]

objectively colo if ure getting funnel but slayer imo is just as good

[ashen trout]

dope imma send slayer 4 fun then

ty chef

i never get funnel lol

[latent moss]

oh ye slayer then 100%

in all keys

colo requires pulling around

well requires is a strong word

u dont have to get funnel but if u dont slayer is better

[languid torrent]

idk man did the chinese figure something out

because thats insane

[latent moss]

what is this

[languid torrent]

imperator

[minor gust]

The Chinese will do abhorrent things for parses. Pretty sure they also sell parse runs. They also have a andvantage with gearing and shit. They play a different game than us sorta

[latent moss]

they sell parse runs ye

[languid torrent]

yea i mean i usually tend to sort US and EU

simply because i never trust their stuff

4 non CN in the top 21

is kinda crazy

[minor gust]

well they can pad on adds with colo thats why

most people cannot because they dont have half the raid ignoring adds

[hazy flower]

whenever looking at any chinese log in m+ or raid you should take things with grains of salt

lots of boosting, pad, weird tech to show up at the top

good players but inflated logs

[latent moss]

hoooly myrt spotted

[random trout]

Did die a pull, can someone critque my dmg breakdown, is blade storm a little high? was holding 230k most the dungeon until boss dmg no funnel

[hazy flower]

https://tenor.com/view/shannon-sharpe-gif-25530022

[latent moss]

idk they also used to do a bit of manual log editing

there was a scandal at some point

iirc

[hazy flower]

yeah but those were standalone cases

haven't seen more than say 3 logs

was back in df as far as i remember

[latent moss]

ye was in df

[hazy flower]

finally did something with my ui today

it's fresh

ish

[latent moss]

i tried

making my own

[hazy flower]

everyone kept telling me to fix my ui because they liked the way it used to look, was clean etc

but going into midnight i didn't do anything

[latent moss]

crashed out

and went back to slightly modified atrocityui

[hazy flower]

so when they changed stuff i kind of just left it there lol

yeah i did lots of things

modified my unitframes, details (spent like 1h doing that ngl), got exwind and exboss

fixed my cdm

[latent moss]

is Myrtlol-TarrenMill back

the 🐐

[hazy flower]

cba leveling man

started playing dk today

[latent moss]

please blizzard aura buff fdk 10 more times so its better than unholy

[hazy flower]

287 with diff trinket

frame mogging anyone in q next to me

[latent moss]

u should do n->frost

on god

[hazy flower]

less damage

[latent moss]

more aura

[hazy flower]

hell no

[latent moss]

unholy is such a chud spec

[hazy flower]

its ranged

it has more range than my devourer

no cappy

[latent moss]

W

melee spec btw

[hazy flower]

yeah

be in melee once very 30s

[latent moss]

isnt festering scythe a buff on u now as well

[rugged hill]

Did we get a definivite yes or no with the nexus rings vs omission of void/wedding ring for colo arms?

[hazy flower]

ye but u need to press festering strike twice to get the buff

i guess a bit more often if u run out of scourge strike stacks

[latent moss]

ye but still its like mickey mouse

such a dumb spec

[latent moss]

wdym

[hazy flower]

my dh has way worse gear tho its crazy

i made some mistakes and had dogshit gearing rng

[rugged hill]

like is it better to run the nexus rings as a set or the void ring/wedding ring.

[latent moss]

sim it

[rugged hill]

... fair lol

[latent moss]

on st its prolly npx 2set

on aoe occlusion + wedding or some other crit ring

[latent moss]

john midnight ahh

apex called midnight ahh

[hazy flower]

🥀

[latent moss]

colo arms is 1 aura buff away from absolute meta

1 30% st buff

[hazy flower]

arms has like best funnel in the game rn

[latent moss]

100% the best

[hazy flower]

but its base st is just way too fucking low

[latent moss]

prio dmg almost doubles

[hazy flower]

if u buffed its aoe a bit and base st by a lot

it'd be a legitimate enha v2

[flat willow]

Problem of colo is how to buff it's st without making the aoe and prio absolutely disgusting

You can't

Maybe buff demolish by 50000 % if it hits only 1 target

[latent moss]

nah u can

yep

surv has it on boomstick

[hazy flower]

played a key today with surv

a friend of ours

[latent moss]

it cranks

[hazy flower]

gets mogged

even tho player is good

[latent moss]

gg

[hazy flower]

🥀

[rose matrix]

Survival is good

And does good damage but lowkey deletes funnel

[latent moss]

a st buff accomplishes both cause cooked design

[rose matrix]

Who gives a shit

Unholy gets both

We get both

Fuck em

[latent moss]

surely we get more buffs

spec still ahh in raid

[rose matrix]

Lowkey hoping we aren't too good in raid and do

Another buff and we're op

in m+ for sure

[hazy flower]

its definitely not good

its okay at best

[rose matrix]

No it's good

I mean

Bansherz was winning in overalls in their group as Survival

[hazy flower]

place him next to unholy

[rose matrix]

Lol good logic

Not as good as the best spec in the game

So you're bad

[hazy flower]

it got nerfed this week

[rose matrix]

Still is?

[hazy flower]

no, aug is

and has been

[latent moss]

how big were the nerfs even

[rose matrix]

Dev, Unholy, Aug, and Demo

[hazy flower]

pretty big on aoe

[rose matrix]

They are basically in a league of their own

[latent moss]

i get dev

its a new spec

tbf i get all of them

unholy is just ur basic ahh spec for ur average gamer after their 9-5 to do some weekly keys

fake melee

[rose matrix]

But Survival is def A tier

[latent moss]

infinite survivability

0 brain rota

and looks cool

[rose matrix]

also basically ranged

[latent moss]

with aspect ye

of the w/e its called

that increases raptor strike range

but unholy is perma ranged

outside of applying festering scythe

[rose matrix]

Yea I was talking about Unholy

Survival is similar to say Ret

When it comes to ranged

[latent moss]

ye it doesnt lose all dmg but it loses a ton

[rose matrix]

I hate it on Survival

[latent moss]

ret if u cant auto is gg

no art procs = no dmg

[rose matrix]

It just leads to focus starve if you use aspect

[tight basin]

Still feel like Col is alot better total dmg than Slayer

Slayer def better on bosses

[abstract sphinx]

Man playing slayer with ret and survival had my overall looking real nasty after first boss

Did more dmg to big lashers tho (all that matters in the ungodly pull)

But how the fk did ret pala do 4 mill more dmg than on me on boss 💔

(Boss dmg)

Do they have funnel as well?

[latent moss]

yes

exec sentence

[rose matrix]

They shouldn't do more funnel than you