arms

[nova marsh]

No, default does not

[slow saddle]

Its just to gain more st

[pulsar frost]

where

[nova marsh]

Its not on wowhead. Drop mass and powerful for overpowering finish and MP

[pulsar frost]

i always assumed default just means wowhead since most folks yonk the build from WH anyways

[nova marsh]

Thats the build

[slow saddle]

Me + powerfull momentum

[ashen trout]

This whole recklessness vantus situation is so fucky lmao

[slow saddle]

Into op + mp

[pulsar frost]

then it wouldnt be default

[magic pike]

Can someone explain me why i dont rend on single target, but i do it on multi target?

[pulsar frost]

same thing with slayer and mass and 2 CT

[slow saddle]

Math

Thats why

[pulsar frost]

rend hits everything

more targets > 1 target

[smoky kayak]

its value is multiplied by the number of targets hit 🤓

that's the explanation

[magic pike]

so rend on 1 target is not rage/gcd effective compared to other skills?

[nova marsh]

No

[slow saddle]

Reason u dont is its bad in st

[nova marsh]

Because default is with mass and powerful

[slow saddle]

But gettin rend on 10 targets is good

[nova marsh]

And mass and powerful is still impossible to drop for some dungeons like seat

[magic pike]

i think its bug, i cant find heroic strike 🙁

[slow saddle]

Y but in those u wont

Find?

[pulsar frost]

its slam

its a proc

[magic pike]

Thats why Tuki ah shiba

[slow saddle]

Like its a choice between more st. Vs more aoe

Played mainly in sky-aa

[nova marsh]

Because saprish gives mass and powerful HUGE value

[magic pike]

Do I never use 'Cleave' on single target, even if i have 2 free cleaves from proc?

[slow saddle]

Now id prob just go thane

[mortal crag]

slarms omegaslaps in nxp

as of rn

but

[slow saddle]

Wowhead.com

[mortal crag]

i just need to time it to prove it

ffs

[nova marsh]

You spend like a full 30 seconds maybe more in execute range depending on key and group

[pulsar frost]

youre never dropping powerful in col builds

dont think we take mass tho

as col

[slow saddle]

Yes u are

[nova marsh]

Yes we do

[smoky kayak]

hypothetically, there are times where it can fill in
but practically? no, don't bother

[slow saddle]

Aa and skyreach

[pulsar frost]

powerful momentum as col?

[magic pike]

Thank you for answering !

[nova marsh]

Its droppable and fine to play without as long as there isnt a 2-3 target boss

[pulsar frost]

oh forgot youre talkign about MP

you right

[nova marsh]

Yeah

[slow saddle]

Y cols str is funnel to 1 t

And mass aoe

[pulsar frost]

idk i just like the normal non MP build for col

big aoe, good funnel ST is whatever theres 2 other dps as long i do decent st

[slow saddle]

U dont do decent at

As col

Lets not cope🤣

[pulsar frost]

i mean 60-80k average is decent ish

ish

[magic pike]

since avatar is 1,5 min cd and colussus smash is 45 sec.. is it safe to assume that i should basically avatar on cooldown and 50% of the time with CS?

[slow saddle]

Nah play 1 key as slayer

[pulsar frost]

now if i do like 30-50k then thats concernign

[olive nest]

Ye I’m just fooling around with max potential sim

I’m only 285

[slow saddle]

Magge go look on wowhead

This is basic q's easily solved by the guide

[nova marsh]

And thats fine

But some people really hate the st (me)

[pulsar frost]

you dont even like arms this season

:p

[shell salmon]

Hello is there a good addon to add sounds to when Rend is about to go out?

[slow saddle]

Ms 20% buff when @smoky kayak

Ms is once again in a weird spot tuning wise🤣

[smoky kayak]

best I can do is +12%

[nova marsh]

Actually I do

[slow saddle]

Id take that

[nova marsh]

I have problems with the spec but I still like arms

[smoky kayak]

ok, I gotchu - six weeks ago #updates-midnight message

[slow saddle]

We need more

10%🤣

[nova marsh]

20%

Na na

50%

[slow saddle]

What ever the number that makes 2 x ep = u wanna ms no mattee what

Heck buff ep to 75% per stack🤣

[pulsar frost]

buff op exe ms by 40% :D

make sweep passive or off gcd

give op rage gen again :D

[slow saddle]

Op rage gen should be passive ngl

[terse heart]

hi, got a silly question. im coming back to war dps after many years.

im playing in a phys comp for m+. should i learn arms or fury better? dmg-wise which got better profile?

[slow saddle]

What ever u prefer

[elder path]

So silly that it’s not

[sullen moat]

i like to play arms and get big mortal strikes, but there is a problem when doing that. if im lucky and get a fat one to fast the boss kicks my ass. so before any buffs that ability they need to fix that huuuuge aggro thing it does 😄

[terse heart]

both are equal?

[slow saddle]

Cols ahead. But its rougher to play

Requires a lot from grp

[smoky kayak]

as far s the whole OP/MP Colossus build is concerned, you're losing ~3-4% multitarget for ~3% single target, which is... fine, but not exactly an equal trade in terms of raw damage

If you're playing a dungeon like Skyreach and don't want to do Slayer, I don't think there's anything explicilty wrong with it, but I would consider it a variant option rather than a primary build

[slow saddle]

And comp

[olive nest]

If your group will pull mobs onto bosses whenever possible then arms will be better I think

[terse heart]

u mean colossus arms over slayer arms right?

[olive nest]

Yes

[terse heart]

we will be probably playing dudu tank monk heal, rogue war hunt

hunt being swaped probably

[slow saddle]

Y fury

[terse heart]

or pala instead of rogue

[olive nest]

Oh no Shaman

[slow saddle]

No shaman forget arms

[terse heart]

we dont know yet

[spark perch]

is collosus still better then slayer in m+?

[slow saddle]

Yes

[olive nest]

Without shaman probably fury

[slow saddle]

Slayers just better in pugs

[terse heart]

and if we fit a enha sham?

then i go collo arms?

[olive nest]

Ye

[slow saddle]

Then u will suck

[terse heart]

xD

[slow saddle]

Elylental or heal

[terse heart]

okaoka

[olive nest]

ENH is fine

So is Ele

[slow saddle]

It kills funnel

[olive nest]

Ele will take your funnel though

[terse heart]

so if im pugging u recommend me slayer arms or fury

[slow saddle]

Nono elly can dt more

[slow saddle]

Yes

[terse heart]

and between them? whatever i feel better with?

[slow saddle]

Y

[terse heart]

alr

[slow saddle]

Or both

Neither are hard

[ancient jolt]

isnt fury now just tclap spam?

[terse heart]

u go haste crit on arms and haste mastery on fury?

[ancient jolt]

or im dumb

[terse heart]

as diff guides say diff things

[hot current]

guys , are you also unlucky so much and ms is like critting once every 6th hit? with sweeping strikes i feel like i need at best 4 ms to get to 10 demo stacks...

[terse heart]

wanted to ask here

[pulsar frost]

see thats what i mean its not the DEFAULT build its an option but mr @nova marsh would disagree saying its the default smh

[nova marsh]

....huh

[slow saddle]

In gen tes

But havin crafted pieces with wrong stats

Doesnt matter much

[nova marsh]

Dude I stg this is ragebait smh

[terse heart]

ye i got them haste vers

all my crafteds

as i raid as prot

[slow saddle]

Eww

Versa

[random bronze]

If I want to sim for cleave/m+ build what should i use? Patchwerk 3 bosses or just dungeon slice?

[slow saddle]

Better use lights potential then🤣

[terse heart]

yup i think i will swap them to

[pulsar frost]

but prot likes crit haste as well

[terse heart]

haste crit

haste crit prob better for all 3 specs right?

or haste mast

i will have to swap like 3-4 crafteds

[pulsar frost]

well haste crit is the stats for arms and prot

fury prefers mastery but its fine for most part

[terse heart]

so haste crit i fit all them better than haste vers xD

[pulsar frost]

i mean ye, prot doesnt even like verse that much either

[hybrid needle]

Prots actually run more mast and vers for m+ than crit

[terse heart]

well im not doing m+ w prot

so np

[olive nest]

Crit/haste gang all the way

[olive nest]

[pulsar frost]

even then

its still haste crit

[terse heart]

will swap crafts later then

getting the heart from vorasisus is a big upgrade right?

i see all top wars with that

[hybrid needle]

THeres nothing wrong with chugging on a shield and go tank. Thats the great part about warr

[wintry scroll]

does't matter that i timed the hardest keys on 16 brown = decline

[pulsar frost]

i had no issues getting my 16s done 2 weeks ago

was probably faster doing 16s then getting into 15s lol

[terse heart]

i got resi 18 on main and i dont get invited to 14s on 283 warrior alt

xD

so imagine

[pulsar frost]

well whats main

[terse heart]

monk and dudu

om both got them

[pulsar frost]

well there you go

[olive nest]

Warrior doesn’t get invited unless it’s phys comp

[pulsar frost]

monks meta currently

[tranquil moth]

what does it means EP stacks?

EP = ?

[olive nest]

Executioners precision

Talent

[tranquil moth]

this one?

[pulsar frost]

yes

[tranquil moth]

rhx

thx

[bronze mountain]

best build rn for pugs slayer massacre?

[umbral wagon]

for M+?
I would say massacre with a shaman
Battlelord without

[bronze mountain]

y
for m+

[honest seal]

seems i am the only one who is stack with clossus >.>

[umbral wagon]

thats my opinion atleast from my own testing

nothing wrong with colossus. I just perfer the slayer playstyle

[honest seal]

faster yea

[olive nest]

Colossus is good too

You can literally play what you want haha

[pine jasper]

What's the build people are using currently? (slayer for m+)

[umbral wagon]

its honestly been awhile since this many playstyles have been competitive. its nice

[spark perch]

how is everyones ST as colllosus atm? i feel like i'm lacking alot in the ST department

[honest seal]

am doing verygood with it both aoe and single

as before atleast

[dim basalt]

I mean 70k to 75k is not very good

[honest seal]

😮 am doin 70 -75k yea

[mortal crag]

im so numb

@thick kelp

[bronze mountain]

what about our priority now? in m+ st/aoe

[umbral wagon]

thats the massacre prio according to Biz/Fishy

not 100% on the battlelord one so i wont speak on it

[olive nest]

In mass aoe

So that’s 8T

[umbral wagon]

yea thats just aoe. ST should be the usual afaik

[smoky kayak]

that looks incredibly truncated

[olive nest]

That’s for the massacre Crit thinking slayer build they cooked up

[magic pike]

yo, the "multitarget" section in wowhead guide. is that with 2 targets or 3+ ?

[umbral wagon]

Im just passing along the info they had figured out

[smoky kayak]

it's still truncated

[smoky kayak]

I implore you to just follow the public action list; it's kept very well updated on purpose

• there's no "hidden" action list. When something new is discovered and verified, it goes into the public

[umbral wagon]

fair

[olive nest]

Ye cooked up prios in sims isn’t necessarily feasible in practice

[smoky kayak]

I mean it's not even better right now

[magic pike]

I cant seem to figure out the answer, sry for asking! in the wowhead rotation guide, is multitarget with 2 targets or above or 3 ?

[smoky kayak]

People love the idea of overriding the public info and using some secret squirrel tech instead

But more often than not, what actually happens is someone is working on something and shares a snippet of it, which someone else who isn't fully aware of the process sees and starts running with an unfinished idea - sharing it and promoting it, when it's not even necessarily better in the first place

in this case, no it's not wholly better than the public, with or without the Massacre build (though it is close)

[radiant dawn]

you mean there's not an ancient hidden tibetan warrior monk list that can pull 180k st

[umbral wagon]

Not trying to override anything tbh. I know ppl are having fun testing everything and I was just showing what usually reliable sources were talking about

[smoky kayak]

I promise you, as soon as there's something finished, concrete, and verified, it'll get pushed to the default

[umbral wagon]

Oh I believe you, sorry wasnt trying to step on toes. Thats my bad

[smoky kayak]

even the build itself is still something that's being debated - just last night, Biz was promoting dropping Mass Exe for 1 BB

na it's not about stepping on toes, it's just trying to avoid creating potential confusion by making declarative statements

[umbral wagon]

thats fair, my wording could of been better

and poof, just like that its gone, problem solved lmao

[smoky kayak]

for what it's worth, I'm actually a huge fan of simplifying the apl - it's always a battle between min/maxing as much as possible and keeping the list sane enough for the average player to read, parse, and perform it

Fish, Walhe, and our other brains do great work though, while Biz and others have been very helpful in lending their own insight and experience to the process, so Arms lists are usually pretty sane

[bleak arrow]

I like to make it even more simple and fine the lowest loss for a zug Zug hard prio. Brain off make better for me (and probably lots more) and I love and appreciate the starting point yall give.

No think. Only Zug.

[ebon jacinth]

hey boys any1 using plater and can gib link to their settings

[bleak arrow]

Just search for jundie

[ebon jacinth]

thanks

is the 4 month ago the one

nvm

[steep tree]

did warrior slayer get buffed yet

[smoky kayak]

Demolish is a good example of this, since there are a lot of ways you can use it - on cooldown, only during CS, or either based on the number of stacks

[smoky garden]

The warrior is my 2nd char for the expansion and i played one month with [Crucible of Erratic Energies]. I did everything on the console with my main char. On the trinket when i hover it said i have the upgrades placed and i never did the console dailys. Did i had the effects active or i handicapped myself?

[reef glade]

Uh yeah this past week

[umbral wagon]

I believe the upgrades are character specific for them to be active with the trinket

but someone can correct me if im wrong

[smoky garden]

and i wonder why my dmg was no on par with others....

[umbral wagon]

Raidbots usually has all the upgrades for the trinket checked by default so you wouldnt catch it on sims either

but yea, gotta do the quest. I believe the event can drop the upgrade item as well

[smoky garden]

i hope someone else will give his knowledge/opinion on my question

thanks for the respond Arctic

[umbral wagon]

yea np

[magic pike]

playing puzzlebox and i get it off CD during a fight with multi mobs that will last more than 20 sec, do i cast it?

[mortal crag]

WE

DID IT

21 NXP

SLARMED

WE SLARMED ITTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

[pulsar frost]

logs

[mortal crag]

COULD BE 200K

[pulsar frost]

or didnt do it

[mortal crag]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/wrJQdGb6jNBtYhFL?fight=last&type=damage-done

ITS A 54 LOG

WE'RE IN THE BOOKS

OKAY SLARMS

200K 2ND BOSS

OKAY SLARMS

ITS A COOK

HIGHEST DAMAGE ON ALL BOSSES

THEN WE SEND SLARMS RAID

[brisk sedge]

mind to share build ?

ahh sorry it is in the logs nwm

[granite sun]

im tryna gear arms but as i gear in like 10s-12s would fury just perform better in pugs

[fervent cedar]

Can play slayer for more consistency in pugs

[surreal spade]

how can i sim slayer arms in dungeons?

dungeon slice or no
?

[fervent cedar]

No dungeon slice is not supported

Sim st and Sim multiple targets with a shorter duration seperately

[surreal spade]

8 Targets 1 min?

[ebon jacinth]

F

[fervent cedar]

Yeah that'll work

[ebon jacinth]

+12 in the slayer reap talents 271 ilvl, wasnt feeling as useless dps on gar fight

[gentle gyro]

Congrats

[ebon jacinth]

will it sim better even tho 2set from rings tho

[gentle gyro]

it's trash

[ebon jacinth]

the 2set

[ashen night]

yh use the 2 myth rings

[ebon jacinth]

so 3/3 rolls hit so far on the pos then iguess

just gotta get that weap next run since last roll for this week

oke ty

[soft peak]

200 to go for 282+

[thick kelp]

@astral yarrow get that r1 king

[astral yarrow]

i dont think i got the 1

i have no clue how i burst on this spec

[steep tree]

didn't feel much

[fervent cedar]

On colossus not much has changed at all
On slayer its a much bigger difference

[stable mountain]

slayer feels pretty good in keys imo

[magic pike]

I have a habit of using overpower over heroic strike, since I cant really track when Slam procs Heroic strike. How does your UI support that?

[short crescent]

Anyone here running chim mythic I can bring my warrior to? I've got CE on my main, but no shot a pug group is taking me at 265 ilvl lol

[umbral linden]

when i got tired of it i just slammed whole panel of slams on top of other bars so it shines like a second sun when heroic is up

[stable mountain]

lmfao

bro flashbangs himself for heroic

genius

[umbral linden]

actually comfortable with it, never lose one

[magic pike]

lmao sounds like something i would do

given weakauras are out, i cant get an addon to show heroic strike is up in the middle of screen?

[olive nest]

[flat willow]

sadly I lost my perfect ui with weakaura out

[mortal crag]

slarms feels great in nxp

[latent moss]

how did u do

hows st

should be really good

and aoe is surprisingly good too

[mortal crag]

yeah

st is cranked

i topped all bosses

i sent log here

earlier

wasnt a perfect run by any means but

timed is timed

1min left

[mortal crag]

@latent moss

[magic pike]

ragish do u have detailed log showing dmg contribution by skills ?

[thick kelp]

whys ur ms so high

overall and vs bosses

[latent moss]

im not home rn but I told u it owns

[thick kelp]

bros never home

[latent moss]

touching grass

my fault og

[granite whale]

Does a max garfrost's make that much of a difference over a 285 crafted wep? Is it worth taking it from vault and spending all those crests..?

[thick kelp]

wym all those crests

its 20 crests if u crafted a wep alr

[granite whale]

^ factos i forgot

[thick kelp]

if ur gonna be roling pos

its probaly not worth it to vault

ex u need neck ring belt chest

[nova marsh]

On the bright side

free upgrades for ur occlusion

[ebon jacinth]

i do need the crit for now tho

only at 34 with oclussions

[granite whale]

good point thank you brother

[nova marsh]

So

Do you just die when you hit execute range

[olive nest]

[slow saddle]

Do u better than col?

I mean obviously less aoe

[latent moss]

on overall no

timer depends i guess

[slow saddle]

But party can,kill shitters

Mainly slayer can get out of so much shit

[latent moss]

i mean its just the

insane st and still very good aoe

[slow saddle]

Y i mean prob better 2 be fury??, but arms doea have funnel

[latent moss]

not sure honestly

idk it could be a skill issue

but as fury i do the exact same dps as training dummy sim

then go into a key and dont do simdps

as arms i always do simdps basically

as slarms*

especially the aoe sim for thane

its supposed to be beating colo

but it just isnt

cause sims arent accurate ye

@mortal crag i just realized

why is ur rogue outlaw all of a sudden

[minor gust]

Slayer owns

[olive nest]

[latent moss]

[slow saddle]

Y i play slayer 2 press exe ngl

Feels good atm

Many crit loads of deep wounds

[olive nest]

Bro it’s so funny people all like warrior niche shouldn’t be execute execute profile bad yadayada but then when execute absolutely fucks we’re happy and excited about it perma

[wind hatch]

buff ms a bit and im happy

[slow saddle]

I always want execute profile

I dont want juggernaught shit

[olive nest]

Perfect world for me is Condem that way we’re relevant on farm with lust pull also

[latent moss]

imo slayer should always be execute heavy

[slow saddle]

I want exe, ideally condemn

[latent moss]

and colo should be the non execute heavy

[ebon jacinth]

fuuuuuuuuuuk

[latent moss]

and both equally tuned somehow

so u can just play both

[olive nest]

Which is amazing work!

[slow saddle]

Condemn as choice node with massacre either u get first 15//20 and last 20

[olive nest]

Huge W having the option

[slow saddle]

Or last 35

[latent moss]

but imma be honest

this is the best slayer has felt

[slow saddle]

If we got a bit more. Sd prpcs

[latent moss]

if we got manaforge 2pc

[slow saddle]

Y

Fr

[olive nest]

Just wait until this tier set is gone..

[slow saddle]

Y current tier is great

[latent moss]

i always wanted slayer to be

execute madness

just sending it

let colo do the thinking idc

[olive nest]

Execute between ms on cd

Ahhhhh

[latent moss]

like this sort of

relentless

murderer

type shi

[olive nest]

💯

[latent moss]

i enjoyed the fuck out of venthyr arms in pvp

with death sentence

no one can run away

called death sentence for a reason

ofc they got rid of it

the execute charge

peak

[olive nest]

Bro imagine we had that still

Wicked talent

[latent moss]

idk i guess its a hot take

but i dont like ep much

[olive nest]

Ep forces ms to stay tuned lower

[latent moss]

wish avatar made us switch to exe spam or something

then outside of ava u follow ep rota

i understand the need for ep

but i always enjoyed exe spam

[olive nest]

during avatar execute refunds all rage spent

[latent moss]

df s3 i used to pug heroic while saved and beg for pi in execute

[rare kite]

ep is the thing that makes us not just spam exe. it's great. tho ofc sometimes tuning is wack and we spam exe anyway

[latent moss]

tbh i just got bored of exe exe exe/op ms rota

[olive nest]

We’ve been doing that forever

Makes sense you could be bored of it

[rare kite]

would you not get bored of the exe5000x rot as well tho?

[olive nest]

Ngl I still enjoy it tho

[latent moss]

u would ofc

but switching up mid pull

would be epic

like during ava u spam exe or something

[slow saddle]

Or hear me out

Let us have powrr in execute

Nerf it in pvp

[rare kite]

theoretically it's prob worth doing so depending on executioner stacks right now

[latent moss]

im not sure with these buffs but u only ms with 2x ep and cs up i think?

didnt raid yet so idk

[slow saddle]

Exactly

[latent moss]

martial prowess helps push ms up in prio

[rare kite]

yeah. i might still just send ms on cd inside cs coz it feels good to me

we will see

[latent moss]

which u dont play in m+ and i havent played raid yet

[slow saddle]

Inside cs it should be done yes?

[latent moss]

Arms Slayer just uses Mortal Strike with 2 EP in execute now in single target builds, or 2 EP & CS in AoE builds.

from updates

channel

[slow saddle]

Like it extends cs must be a zero sum game?

[latent moss]

ye u used to send ms on cd with cs up

[rare kite]

apparently not. wowhead guide used to say so but not anymore

after the buffs that is

[slow saddle]

Gotta be a rage issue

[latent moss]

quick apl check

[slow saddle]

Or they must buff ms

If 2 x ep isnt = press ms no matter what tbh

Games a bit cooked

[wintry dome]

yess more buffs

[latent moss]

ye u send ms

with 2x ep

in exe

actions.slayer_execute+=/mortal_strike,if=buff.executioners_precision.stack=2&(talent.martial_prowess|!talent.martial_prowess&debuff.colossus_smash.up)|debuff.colossus_smash.up&talent.battlelord

if u dont have mp

its only with cs up

[rare kite]

no 2xep is inside cs. i thought you meant just sending ms on cd inside cs no matter if no 2xep @slow saddle

[slow saddle]

Ah in exe ofc u want 2 ep

[latent moss]

insane how this season

i didnt like slayer at all in aoe and m+ in general

[slow saddle]

Coz u cant reset ms anywaus

[latent moss]

and now its peak

[olive nest]

Single target build you only ms with 2EP doesn’t matter if cs or not

Multi target build you only ms with 2EP and CS

This only applies to execute build

[latent moss]

applies to blord build too

[olive nest]

So basically in dungeons you’re chillin sending execute and op perma until cs is up

[latent moss]

|debuff.colossus_smash.up&talent.battlelord

[slow saddle]

Or op

Dependin on rage

[boreal nimbus]

hey, new here! is slayer or colossus better for m+?

[rare kite]

yea but sometimes you had ms off cd and didn't have 2ep but you sent ms anyway coz tier. but now according wowhead it's only with 2ep

[latent moss]

lemme clean the apl a bit from talents we never play

[rigid shuttle]

just saw critcake playing fury on L

[slow saddle]

Execute trucks

[wind hatch]

colossus is generally better unless you're doing a key that really favors single target like AA

[latent moss]

actions.slayer_execute+=/mortal_strike,if=buff.executioners_precision.stack=2&(talent.martial_prowess|!talent.martial_prowess&debuff.colossus_smash.up)|debuff.colossus_smash.up&talent.battlelord
actions.slayer_execute+=/overpower,if=buff.opportunist.up&talent.opportunist
actions.slayer_execute+=/overpower,if=talent.fierce_followthrough&!buff.battlelord.up&rage<80
actions.slayer_execute+=/execute,if=rage>40|buff.sudden_death.up
actions.slayer_execute+=/overpower
actions.slayer_execute+=/execute

[rigid shuttle]

just saw critcake playing fury on Lura, what's the angle there?

[slow saddle]

Fury is strong

[latent moss]

exe so powerful what the helly

[slow saddle]

Flexible

[olive nest]

Ye buffs made it great again

[thick kelp]

does more damage

nothing complex really

[latent moss]

even in p3?

surely arms big in p3

[rigid shuttle]

so is fury considered a better pick than arms on that fight?

[tacit crystal]

probably not

[latent moss]

kha was top pre buffs

[olive nest]

Think arms still top idk

[thick kelp]

yeah cuz fury apl is exe ramp bt

[olive nest]

Fur execute goes hard too

[latent moss]

xaaxaxxa

[stable fiber]

Fdk beats me in p3 btw

[tacit crystal]

gg

[thick kelp]

it does 2% more exe dame

[latent moss]

did kha rekill

[stable fiber]

That spec is op

[thick kelp]

than arms

[latent moss]

gg

[stable fiber]

Well

[latent moss]

fdk outsims us by 10k no

[stable fiber]

I beat him some pulls

[latent moss]

fdk has really good st

[rare kite]

idk crit is probably also just testing things out. tests things all the time

[stable fiber]

He beat me other pulls

[thick kelp]

what doesnt outsim us tbf

[stable fiber]

I tried fob build but idk the crystal damage is like significantly worse

[latent moss]

frost is 122k

how much is slarms

[proper iron]

do you bladestorm on st as slayer ?

[rare kite]

ofcourse

[stable fiber]

I'm at 110k as arms

[latent moss]

idk if this 122 on simc is after buffs

[wind hatch]

yes

[latent moss]

seems like it is but idk

[proper iron]

thanks

[olive nest]

Man’s a whole 1k ahead of me but does have 1 extra socket

I can’t find the other 500

[latent moss]

hole powerful

[stable fiber]

I still did 10k more dps then critcake

[latent moss]

hole + restat

[stable fiber]

Actually crazy

[slow saddle]

Nono i dnl how fdk keeps gettin buffed

[stable fiber]

High roll of the century?

[latent moss]

fdk keeps getting buffed cause they cry how they are weak

they are weak when compared to udk

but so i everyone elese

[slow saddle]

Not any more

[olive nest]

Love that

Arms stay up 👑

[rigid shuttle]

is Slayer Arms rng heavy on the fight?

[latent moss]

tbh i have no clue about raid

[rigid shuttle]

im about to prog on it, not sure if i should run Arms or Fury

[slow saddle]

Both are

[latent moss]

man i sim like shit what the helly

[slow saddle]

Equally reliant on sd procs in p3

[rare kite]

bladestorm cd is very likely. not looked into it but bladestorm cd rng is just stupid no matter what

[latent moss]

im only 101k

[agile jewel]

I know rend is too low, but is demolish too low too?

[latent moss]

@thick kelp how mcuh

do u sim for

[slow saddle]

And crita

[olive nest]

Yeah but sim vantus

That’s what we’re doing

[agile jewel]

+12 MC

[latent moss]

idk vantus sim

irrelevant as fuck for me

im not vantusing on anything

i mean even with vantus

tbf im 284

[slow saddle]

I mean end boss u are // any proggers boss

[latent moss]

ye but im not raiding

outside of pugging chim + first 3

[slow saddle]

Tbf

No vantus 4 u

[latent moss]

time to run

a 16 mil top gear

[minor gust]

Vantus make sim number go up that's what mattere

[slow saddle]

I still cant believe all these buffs

And we still mi

D🤣

[latent moss]

happens

when at the start of patch u were competing with tanks

@olive nest wtf

is vantus dmg

[stable fiber]

+5k

[latent moss]

from 101,3k to 105,7k

[olive nest]

It is INSANE dps

[minor gust]

It's big

[olive nest]

Almost not real levels of gain

[latent moss]

what the helly

how big are holes

500ish?

[olive nest]

250 vers stat large

15% damage increase

Ye khaz said 500ish to me last night

I was seeing about the same

[latent moss]

ig i could farm a

wrist with hole

from m+ xdddddd

[minor gust]

@stable fiber lol look at our crown kill last night. Clearly we are doing something wrong on this fight.

[olive nest]

[minor gust]

Never had a green parse in my life for a prog kill

[stable fiber]

nice arcane spec

[latent moss]

3rd big top gear incoming...

[olive nest]

Depending on what your team makes you do with obelisks that fight is turbo ass

4 melee isn’t bad though

[rare kite]

what about greys?

[latent moss]

how does deep wounds work

[slow saddle]

It bleeds

[minor gust]

Just stealing all the P1 dmg

[olive nest]

You apply it and it does damage

[latent moss]

100% doesnt mean anything right

uptime

cause u can reapply it a bunch

[minor gust]

Yeah when I die

[latent moss]

npx rings

are simming for less

than vorasius + wedding

what

[olive nest]

Wait actual!?

Must be stat spread

[latent moss]

i guess?

wait

hole winning

263 holed wrists > 276 non holed

100dps

[olive nest]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1uG3v7HQdTcVQZhie32oxG

This my maxed out setup

In droptimizer that has no upgrades

Raid or dungeon

[agile jewel]

the shadow priest is how i usually perform

[latent moss]

have u tried

eye of midnight shenanigans

[olive nest]

I cannot get that thing to sim

I don’t understand

[weary star]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/wgAdTr43QtJhKMpY?fight=last&type=damage-done I would like some feedback if I am doing something wrong and how to improve on it. thank you

[olive nest]

It’s like maybe with swapping off weapon enchant and gems, Probably need pit neck too

[latent moss]

need a complete restat for sure

....

[rare kite]

need to swap around a bunch of things for it prob

[latent moss]

nah salhadaar is better for eye of midnight

set

causemore crit

[olive nest]

True yeah

I’ll for sure make it work once I get the ring somehow because it’s on the bis sim

You know what probably WS gloves

Maybe

[latent moss]

iam prolly wrong but i think bis doesnt play voidclaw

ye

[olive nest]

Archie bis list doesn’t

Makes sense

For the ring equip

[smoky kayak]

that's basically equal to the new Ascendant Voidcore BiS I setup a couple weeks ago

I've run every combination that I could find, and it doesn't really seem to matter whether you use

• Pit or Saladhaar neck
• Chimaerus or tier boots
• NPX rings or Eye of Midnight + Pit or Void
• Gaze or Plune
  You just swap around gems/enchants a little bit and it all comes out within 0.0%

that said, 12.0.7 drops are going to invalidate it all over again

[olive nest]

Ye so pretty much we can rock the two cantrips for cool factor if we want

[latent moss]

i assume u should aim for eye + pit or void

[olive nest]

Like that a lot

[latent moss]

cause u dont lose aoe value

npx rings have no aoe value

[smoky kayak]

if you're mainly concerned with single target; once you start talking about multitarget (esp Colossus instead of Slayer) things start changing more

[stable fiber]

whatver makes reck pot easier to use

and i feel like eye makes reck pot harder to use

[rigid shuttle]

guys i've noticed sometimes my cleave don't spend a sweeping strike, is that because the mobs are too spread or am i just not positioning well

[olive nest]

Fair enough yeah, I pretty much only ever sim for ST raid

[smoky kayak]

not using Reck pot is the first and best step for that

[rigid shuttle]

3T of course

[stable fiber]

yeah sure but im almost certain this potion is like extremely broken on some fights and in aoe

[smoky kayak]

it seriously just is not worth the headache

[rustic reef]

when do we spam execute in execute lmao ? with no cs?

[flat willow]

that was shadowlands, you can see condemn on the bottom of the screen

so everything was exec phase

[stable fiber]

like p3 l'ura its actually nasty what you can do on that fight with a crit reck pot

having to cancel aura isnt fun though and not entirely sure its worth it ofc

[nova marsh]

Oh LOL

[latent moss]

i used to laugh at u kha for having to cancelaura

[nova marsh]

Thats so much worse

[latent moss]

but now my haste and crit are so close too

not funny anymore

[stable fiber]

i cant change my weapon enchant either

[delicate narwhal]

Guys, quick question! In DPS-faq Slayer talantes don't pick "Stance Mastery" - good idia?

[stable fiber]

it really likes the haste

[olive nest]

Same here with my sim

[stable fiber]

going crit wep enchant is -500 dps on the sim

[olive nest]

Have to use berserk

[latent moss]

same

[minor gust]

Zerk is haste right? That's what I'm using

[latent moss]

y

[olive nest]

Ye

[minor gust]

My slayer loves it's haste mastery

[latent moss]

@stable fiber can u send me the

pot macro

that cancels

[stable fiber]

ye

[latent moss]

i think

[stable fiber]

1 sec

[latent moss]

hunt can bring haste over crit as well

for me

[boreal nimbus]

Just did a 14 key, im the Warrior. Playing colossus so Im guessing thats still best. But in raid I go slayer but do terrible dmg, im barely over tank?? im 283. Can it be that i have 0 mastery almost and 0 versatility? im full bis with crit haste

[wind hatch]

you don't need stance mastery unless you are pushing high keys

[latent moss]

wait i have an iteration

that is basically my highest and its crit gems

[umbral linden]

did he just flex on us?

[latent moss]

tbh i dont think switching 3 gems around is gonna do much

hunt is 80

stat

[delicate narwhal]

thx

[boreal nimbus]

Im not trying to lol im genuine concerned im doing something wrong in raids considering im always just over tank xd

[wind hatch]

if you are doing "barely over tank" damage in raid you're doing something wrong

[boreal nimbus]

Skill issue I presume?

[wind hatch]

most likely

[latent moss]

i mean

it has to be a skill issue

[slow saddle]

No u just bad

[umbral linden]

you are good, id say very
cant understand how u do 210k without aug, but cant do dmg in raid

[delicate narwhal]

What about ST on M+ bosses ? Still same bad?

[unreal pike]

Current dps after big aoe fight

[wind hatch]

thats overall damage not dps

[boreal nimbus]

Im going Colossus MT in M+

[umbral linden]

hm, ok then

[boreal nimbus]

Yeah its damage overall not dps xd

[unreal pike]

Show the log ill tell you why you suck in raid

[boreal nimbus]

ait 2 sec

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/tarren-mill/elektrikarn

[pulsar frost]

Imp go col snd pad adds :D

Ez 99 parse

[boreal nimbus]

Sorry? xd

[pulsar frost]

First boss of voidspire go colo and pad the adds easy 99 parse

Ethical parsing

[boreal nimbus]

Ah, ait

[pulsar frost]

Since adds need to die

[smoky kayak]

idk, this is the absolute best conditions I could find of a 2m Execute phase with Hero overlapping Pot

I'm not saying you can't do it if your stats support it (or you want to go through the effort of making your stats support it), but that's just so marginal

[boreal nimbus]

Im scared waiting

[unreal pike]

overpower>rend if not applied>slam

[latent moss]

ddh presses collapsing star and u parse 50

[olive nest]

You basically have to play with cancel aura hunt proc and berserk proc

Otherwise it’s a pita to use

[smoky kayak]

Yeah I just don't think it's worth the effort, honestly

[wind hatch]

thats what they did though lol

[smoky kayak]

if anyone feels like going for it... I mean go for it, but I hesitate to use descriptors like "actually nasty" or "insane performance"

[slow saddle]

My raid 2 this day still dont pull adds 2 boss

[stable fiber]

#showtooltip Potion of Recklessness
/cancelaura Frenzied Focus
/cancelaura Hasty Hunt
/use item:245902
/use item:241288
/use item:245903
/use item:241289

[latent moss]

ty

[pulsar frost]

Oh didnt see he went col

Didnt pad enough ig

[olive nest]

Go full ST slayer and beat my 109k boss damage

[smoky kayak]

also canceling your buffs to make it work is a whole other bag of worms

[cunning smelt]

What's the significant difference between using light's potential and recklessness with crit as highest? More rage with reck since your auto-attacks crit more? Anything else?

[pulsar frost]

Idk about that I ain't that good espically in taid

[smoky kayak]

there is no significant gameplay difference

[pulsar frost]

Maybe in my guild run since they're not the greatest

[olive nest]

Neither am I lmao

[thick kelp]

just have enough crit so you always proc crit from reck

[olive nest]

I’m usually like a 90avg player, dudes in here are better

[stable fiber]

idk no matter what sim i do reck pot is always just a flat +600-1k dps better

just my gear ig

[pulsar frost]

Im not where near 90s in mythic besides imp. Im decent in hero tho

[smoky kayak]

I mean if you're intent on using it, you probably wanna set yourself up to use the crit enchant anyway, cause actively cancelling an extra buff during your biggest period of burst is not going to result in better performance

[olive nest]

🤝

[rare kite]

same for me. think it's 900 something rn

[pulsar frost]

Im so ethical in chimmy that i just focus boss and not pad on adds

[olive nest]

Bro I tried ST slayer on chim

It’s just ballsack ngl

[cunning smelt]

oh so the main problem with reck is that haste buff from bersserker's rage can screw you up?

[olive nest]

You must bring some add damage

[wind hatch]

just save bs for adds

[pulsar frost]

I cant really cleave small adds when they come up since blow up team. Going down cna be scuff due to cd timing and folks nuking that ahit

[minor gust]

BS and call it a day

[wind hatch]

i got rank 3 on chim playing slayer

[smoky kayak]

if you really wanna big brain it, the best thing you could do is just be setup to use either pot based on whether a stat-influencing buff happens to be active at the time

[olive nest]

True maybe that haha

[lunar mulch]

Lol I was just looking at my lura log and saw my crit % was dogshit during reck pot and then I come here and you guys are discussing the exact same thing

[sand prairie]

i have to admit that slayer execute build is very fun to play

[smoky kayak]

keep in mind that vantus rune devalues reckpot

and default sims don't have vantus enabled

[stable fiber]

i can disable it

and re sim

but itll be bigger right

[smoky kayak]

I'm just sayin idk if you normally sim with vantus or not, but defaults don't use it

since we're talking about something like L'ura though, I think it's pretty much guaranteed that you will have it on

[olive nest]

I have had the same experience with reck pot sims personally vantus or no vantus it’s still about +600dps in my gear with gain crit/lose vers

[stable fiber]

now its a 1k dps loss to run light's potential

i suppose its just a gear thing

[smoky kayak]

if you've been maximizing your gear around reckpot this whole time, then yeah it's possible you hit some funny breakpoint or something

[stable fiber]

yeah i figured it was that

ive been gearing around it for like 2+ weeks now

[smoky kayak]

stats in this game are insanely complicated, there's rarely ever one clear and clarion answer

[olive nest]

Likewise

[stable fiber]

the most important thing for me now though and i dont think the sim can anwser it, but i wanna know if i can switch my weapon proc off haste

so then i dont have to cancelaura it

[weary star]

any1?

[stable fiber]

but switching off the haste enchant is a 500 dps loss so idk

[wind hatch]

#1347646810457636974

[olive nest]

I feel that I can’t get off berserk either

[little dune]

is there an agreed upon best guide site of the 3 that are listed in faq?

[olive nest]

Yes wowhead

The orange name talking is the author

And will clarify all questions

[smoky kayak]

so if you really wanna get into the weeds, I think what you'd wanna do is set up some kind of consistent sim, like 40s w/ no variance that's always in hero and execute

maybe even forcing the sim to start with the enchant buff procced, so you can perfectly line everything up

[stable fiber]

i know how to do the 40 second part with no variance, but starting with the enchant buff procced hmm

[smoky kayak]

and then evaluate the impact of either

• cancelling the buff for pot
• changing the enchant altogether
• changing the pot based on the buff being procced or not

[olive nest]

I asked that the other day too

Idk how to force the sim to cancel the buff on pull

[sudden owl]

brutal finish is bad, right...?

[olive nest]

And have it randomly applied after that properly

[smoky kayak]

but I am pretty damn certain that cancelling a buff during your biggest period of burst is not a great idea, so I think your best options would be either #2 or #3

[stable fiber]

its worse then the other one

[sudden owl]

ya the beloren r1 has it and i had to make sure it wasn't some technology i was not aware of

[smoky kayak]

na he just flubbed it

[sudden owl]

seems strictly worse

[olive nest]

Haha fish said he ran it on accident

No tech there

[smoky kayak]

also he only got R1 belo because he copied my rank 1 the day prior!
(not really, but that's how I'm gonna spin it)

[wind hatch]

fishy is withholding secret knowledge

[smoky kayak]

like most things, the secret knowledge is actually "just hit your buttons really good" and the rest doesn't matter all that much

[sudden owl]

i dont remember if you sent everything on pull or waited for the first 2 phoenixes but i started doing the latter after looking at his log

[olive nest]

The problem with waiting is

[sudden owl]

easier for my slowbrain to not accidentally avatar before the egg phase

[olive nest]

You will never squeeze in your second set and have them back for egg

[smoky kayak]

I send on pull, cause our first birds get annihilated
if you send on first birds, you also won't have them up for 2nd birds, which tend to live longer (for me)

[olive nest]

If you send on pull and also about 1minute

You have them back for egg

[smoky kayak]

its kinda like "do you pot on first or second set of l'ura adds?"
in my experience, the first set gets very overkilled by everyone else blowing bigger/longer CDs, so I pot the second

[stable fiber]

^

[sudden owl]

idk if i can do that i have to stop entirely at like 1:45, if i send a second set i dont know if it'll be back in time for egg

[stable fiber]

also arms just sucks on the first set cause you have no heroic might or imminent demise stacks

whatever the bladestorm stacks are called

[smoky kayak]

yeah unless you're very lucky w/ procs, it's gonna be neutered

[olive nest]

My team had people not sending puzzle box and holding cooldowns and all that on pull* because we are killing the bird to quickly

[stable fiber]

would be nice if we could pot the 3rd set but it wont line up with the execute lust

[smoky kayak]

the part I've struggled with is deciding when I should rip CS immediately or delay CS to hit more targets (at the expense of them dying before Bladestorm ends)

cause our grips are not always the fastest

[stable fiber]

ive been thinking on the first set it might be worth bladestorming early for a sudden death reap proc, then playing every set around delaying cs to hit the 3 closest spawns

[smoky kayak]

its an issue on dragons too, sometimes my CS just misses adds that get gripped in slow

[stable fiber]

i dont delay to hit all of them

just the 3 closest

[smoky kayak]

Yeah that's what I've been doing, just ripping it and hitting whatever I can

and the 2nd set generally survives Bladestorm long enough to sweep a couple executes, which I think makes up for it

[stable fiber]

all my sets die before i can tab target some executes now

rarely do i get to tab executes

its sad

[olive nest]

Same boat

[smoky kayak]

but it's one of those things where there's not really going to be a solid answer, because how fast these adds get gripped in or start dying before/after grip is going to be incredibly flexible based on what the rest of your group is doing

and because of that, I generally favor just sending earlier rather than later

[olive nest]

CDs on cd bliss

[sudden owl]

so if you go on pull and go again as soon as avatar is back up you'll get it at the start of p2 consistently?

[olive nest]

Yes

[smoky kayak]

depends when you push P2

[olive nest]

At the end of the cast ideally

[smoky kayak]

but you'll usually get it at the start or soon after

[wind hatch]

people are generally pushing p2 at around 2 mins

[sudden owl]

yeah we are doing it during that channel at around 2 minutes

[wind hatch]

I was sending everything on cd for p1 and had everything up for first egg

[smoky kayak]

they were, but less and less guilds are holding now post-nerfs

[sudden owl]

but i have to hold for like 10 seconds

[wind hatch]

mine still was for first egg anyway

[smoky kayak]

I think we pushed at like 1:40 on our kill lol

[olive nest]

It should be fine there’s a decent chunk of waiting for the egg to appear and gate

And you’ll use the full duration of CDs during lust

[wind hatch]

^

[sudden owl]

mostly just worried about bladestorm i guess if i dont rip it at the start theres no chance at a second one during the egg and that second one is juice

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/KWZV7Tyk4bnrLBMx?fight=29&type=damage-done&phase=2&start=8441910&end=8493219&source=25

like this pull

[wind hatch]

after first egg I held cds for adds if they were spawning soon

[smoky kayak]

yeah we pushed at 1:40 and got on the egg at 1:53, which is early - previously you would want to push around 1:45-1:50 and get on the egg around 2m

but again, it doesn't have to be perfect - the egg is very free now as long as people stay alive

if you wanna rank, you should focus on throughput and sniping adds, not explicitly egg damage

[olive nest]

2nd rebirth egg damage though

[sudden owl]

idc about ranking i just want to win faster

[olive nest]

[wind hatch]

we had like 3 people dead going into the second egg and we still killed it with plenty of time to spare lol

[smoky kayak]

if you're focused on killing the boss, you may wanna focus more on egg, but honestly.... Warriors aren't going to do much there regardless, so there is a strong argument for just focusing on killing birds faster anyway

[sudden owl]

just get lucky and do 8m on the first egg like that log i linked and arms looks great on the egg 🙂

[smoky kayak]

the faster birds get cleared, the easier a time players are gonna have focusing on the boss and its mechs

[stable fiber]

i feel like the prog strat is killing birds as fast as possible now

[wind hatch]

i dont think maximizing egg damage isnt nearly as relevant as it previously was, it should be a guaranteed 2 cycle regardless

[smoky kayak]

p much

[wind hatch]

p1.2 is the hard part

[stable fiber]

^

[smoky kayak]

we had it at 35% after the first egg phase, even with an unintended early transition
we had a very messy 2nd transition with people dead and still managed to kill it like 15s ahead of the timer

[olive nest]

I’m okay with everyone getting the egg to 35% or less round 1 because I get to eat it alive in round 2

[stable fiber]

i think that fight is just send cds instantly now

for arms

ngl

[smoky kayak]

better groups are getting the first egg to like 18% now lol

[sudden owl]

ya ur telling me, the path to egg 2 is very daunting

[smoky kayak]

p much what I did, except I held for birds in the 2nd P1

not entirely sure it's always worth though, since CS can get munched on sets that die fast (just make sure you're always hitting belo with it too)

[stable fiber]

i wish i got to kill that boss

sadge

maybe next week...

[olive nest]

You held first set the comes back after egg for birds correct?

[weary star]

is this a skill issue or slayer is just bad for low keys?

[olive nest]

You played it poorly it appears

[smoky kayak]

I also save my potion for the 2nd egg now btw; using it on first egg is kind of a waste

[wind hatch]

skill issue

[stable fiber]

i have wondered if its better to pot in lust or in execute

as arms

[olive nest]

I was considering that, but I thought losing pot during lust is kind of bad no?

[wind hatch]

same here

[olive nest]

Maybe sim
40 seconds pot lust no execute

40 seconds pot all execute

Hmm

[stable fiber]

40 seconds lust (no execute)
40 seconds execute (not lust)

bang

[olive nest]

Bro my brain

Holly

Thinking it but can’t type it

😂

[stable fiber]

xdd

[weary star]

why u say that?

[smoky kayak]

this is what I did on my early R1 - my last set of CDs got slightly scuffed because we had an unexpectedly early transitions while birds were up, so I decided to just send Pot + BS instead of holding for the next CS that I wasn't sure I was gonna get

[olive nest]

Execute should be higher, which makes reap higher

[polar sundial]

do i press bladestorm when its up but my colossus still on cd? or i hold bladestorm for colossus? as arms slayer. in ST and aoe

[wind hatch]

hold bladestorm for cs

[smoky kayak]

but it ended up working out for me, because I got some extra bird damage and got that second CS and anyway

[polar sundial]

thanks sir

do i only press mortal strike in execute phase with 2 sttacks executioners precision? and if i dont have i prio overpower ?

[flat willow]

depends if you are talking about the raid build or the m+ build

[rare kite]

definetely skill issue

[zenith warren]

for boss dmg on dragons slayer mt will be fine?

[dim basalt]

Mythic?

[zenith warren]

ye

[dim basalt]

Not going col is grief there

[magic pike]

how do you skip the skyreach wind stars? i see Biz is going into the first corner, taking tornado over and then spam jumping the bridge.

[pulsar frost]

Can just leap to stairs

[hot barn]

Full pug wise, is slayer more worth playing? (m+ 18/20 keys)

[magic pike]

hmm interesting

how?

[zenith warren]

but playing col I should align demolish when adds spawn?

[pulsar frost]

You havw to be at the edge then aim at a certain spot then leap

Careful tgo you can yeet yourself off

[dim basalt]

That happens pretty naturally

[magic pike]

i stand here right?

[minor gust]

Nah I played slayer on dragons this week slayer owns

[pulsar frost]

Ye can aim at the platform/ stairs slightly lower

[minor gust]

If you don't like colo def able to play slayer for mythic dragons

[rare kite]

somewhere around there yea, then you jump and press leap

bingchilling

[minor gust]

It's got the potential

[pulsar frost]

You're just him on slayer. Not the same

[magic pike]

oh wow i jumped to here

[hybrid needle]

Can also just stand in the first swirl and jump as high in the stairs as possible. The non knockuo skip can be pretty random

[magic pike]

ty!

[magic pike]

yea thats what biz did earlier at stream!

[pulsar frost]

Not sure if you can do that with the wind

Could be annoying. I just di it to the bottom of staircase

Carefully ofc since you can send yourself off

[magic pike]

Yea that makes sense! Biz version is for sure easier by just running into first tornado in corner and spam jump, and while u are in air u basically jump to bridge.
Takes 5 seconds more but its guaruanteed to work

thanks tuki

[thick kelp]

@latent moss come watch Kha push

[latent moss]

axxaaxaxx

[hybrid needle]

19 desths on 14 is crazy

[novel raven]

Im 3850 full pug full colo right now, getting tanks 2 pull the funnel isn't hard, but watching other ppl full aoe pad them is annoying

[zealous sphinx]

And only past first boss

Cursed image

[minor gust]

That shit would make me lose my mind.

Too many people slave to the overall that they int their own keys

[pulsar frost]

Speaking of funnel how id slayers funnel

[minor gust]

Slayer has good funnel

Not as good as Colo but it's there

[pulsar frost]

I did 1 key with funnel onto third boss of AA did pretty good damage off the 2 extra mobs

What funnels on slayer. I assume same but less then col

[slow saddle]

Yes

[minor gust]

Slayer funnels the same as Colo just doesn't have the Colo CM stacks

[slow saddle]

And one of many thongy

[pulsar frost]

Ig its the only way we proc reap besides sd

[slow saddle]

Buffin cleave

[pulsar frost]

@slow saddle when MS buffs

[slow saddle]

Hopefully soon

[magic pike]

im simming my 3 trinkets (gaze, solar is hero, puzzle is myth) and ive done dungeon slice.
How does Puzzle work in sim? does it basically cast 3 times during the 6 min dungeon slice, where im not attacking cus im casting?

[pulsar frost]

Well dungeon slice sucks

[magic pike]

im extremely new with simming - i use raidbots

[steep walrus]

skyreach is the single target execute build

right

if anyones around ima bout to run one

i'd appreciate it

[mortal crag]

idfk

is it bad or good

[mortal crag]

its in the log yeah

[mortal crag]

if u scroll down it should show u what ur sim uses on a quicksim

but usually yes, puzzle will pre-cast it, then 2min later cast it again