its not even better boss damage either lmao
#arms
thick kelp
On slayer MS just falls off to be a filler in 3+ targets below your op charges
On 1-2t you follow the normal logic still tho
stable fiber
well i was just wondering if rend would realistically be better
at like a normal mob count
not entirely sure how much damage rend itself does but i remembering while gearing through m0s that rend cranked on some packs when just spamming it because it was uncapped with no damage fall off
bold anchor
I think ive isolated the biggest dps loss in my game, too much fucking strafe walking while cleaving
Cleaves hitting 2 targets in a 10+ pack
rare kite
yea this new build cranks in st. last boss 12 magisters, no monk and we didn't have lust for it
thick kelp
bold anchor
I came from subrog two button spam and run like a train, so standing still to cleave with my adhd is harder than any rotation
quick horizon
yea this new build cranks in st. last boss 12 magisters, no monk and we didn't h...
which build is that?
dim basalt
yea this new build cranks in st. last boss 12 magisters, no monk and we didn't h...
Whats the overall tho
bold anchor
Ive pugged all 14s and its not that bad
rare kite
which build is that?
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bold anchor
Just sort by has tank has healer dps slot available and +15 in search
rare kite
Whats the overall tho
i'm using ms too much in aoe
untold pewter
yea this new build cranks in st. last boss 12 magisters, no monk and we didn't h...
Lmao
bold anchor
Deplete others keys instead of your own 
marble fable
i'm using ms too much in aoe
slay
bold anchor
Wrong chat for this, but in general - how bad is it running fury with pure crit haste stats?
untold pewter
@thick kelp
I'm still unsure do we actually cleave with collateral in ST? Not anymore right? Slam takes prio?
bold anchor
I wanted to test fury if i ever get another 2h
soft peak
I have one more roll on pit, i pray for the weap , if i get weap i neee crests to make it max ilv, then craft cloak, up my pants, my helm and good to go
400+ myth crests
To get 280
summer shore
my 3 bonus rolls in pit was weapon, ring, neck
rare kite
yea you know pugs xD
soft peak
Nice
bold anchor
I got hero cloak, rolled myth cloak
I got hero ring, rolled myth cloak
I got hero weapon, rolled myth chest
soft peak
I got all instead of weapon neck and ring
bold anchor
I vaulted a bonusroll 🥸
thick kelp
<@865605822638063647>
I'm still unsure do we actually cleave with collateral in...
Dont bother
just slam
fresh spire
If we could pick it up while not losing everything else I think it would be worth purely for the rage cost reduction. Sadly there is nothing that can be traded off to get both while maintaining cleave/ct stuff 🙁
soft peak
I have one more roll left i hope its the weap
untold pewter
Dont bother
Thank you so much
Freedom at last
fresh spire
Now only if it was not blocked behind bloodborne 🙁
stable fiber
Idk I don't like it personally
fresh spire
I did try cooking some non ep builds but early boss damage tanked pretty hard from lack of free ep from sd. Fatal doesn't cover that damage
stable fiber
Think ms should always be a 3 gcd cd
sharp sequoia
Guys Where is my mistake? the first one had higher item level than mine, but only by 3 levels
How do I figure out where I'm going wrong?
stable fiber
Flows better
fresh spire
I think 2/3 is good.
Works well for colossus though where ms is just more important. But arms treading that fine line now where execute is almost just fully worth sending over ms
balmy kindle
Guys Where is my mistake? the first one had higher item level than mine, but onl...
Are you running col or slayer
fresh spire
sharp sequoia
Are you running col or slayer
Col 👍🏻
rare kite
Works well for colossus though where ms is just more important. But arms treadin...
this is why we need EP 50%. pls blizzard
thick kelp
Guys Where is my mistake? the first one had higher item level than mine, but onl...
Post a log
cant tell shit from a screenshot
other than that your rotation is wrong
balmy kindle
Yea gonna need logs to see what happened
sharp sequoia
How do I post them?
stable fiber
I think martial prowess should be baseline and stronger
fresh spire
Tbh I wouldn't be surprised if execute is worth spamming if we have 3 stacks of executioner up
fresh spire
stable fiber
9% damage, crit damage and crit strike is insane
With reck pot its damn near 100%
And crits for 300k
I'm waiting for the day I get a insane lura kill with 3 stack executioner lust execute with crit reck pot
balmy kindle
I am sure arms has massive pvp tax
stable fiber
Deadass 400k dps p3
balmy kindle
Like they are just scared any good changes = mega busted in pvp 
stable fiber
Yeah that's another thing
Bladestorm lasts so long because of pvp lol
If it didn't bladestorm would straight up kill in a second
sharp sequoia
but now I can no longer recover the logs from the last Dangeon?
warped owl
Logs only work if you start it before dungeon start
sharp sequoia
Thank you @thick kelp @balmy kindle 👍🏻 next time I'll post the screenshot with the logs
warped owl
It grabs data during combat
sharp sequoia
Logs only work if you start it before dungeon start
Oh ok 👍🏻
noble sonnet
did the colossus build change with the patch at all? wondering if execute talents are better than MS talents etc
noble sonnet
gl!
stable silo
Colo or slayer for academy?
shy kite
@sharp sequoia link your logs to prive
dim basalt
I mean theres also #1347646810457636974
slow saddle
Colo or slayer for academy?
thane probably?
but u can easily play slayer i reckon is should slap esp bird boss
obtuse kiln
How’s arms for raid guys? Performing better than fury thane at all?
balmy kindle
Guys im taking Arms col for HC L'ura tonight. Wish me luck
Just aotc last night, might wanna use slayee
Just save bladestorm and cds for the orbs
Colo ST is just too low without funnel
indigo quail
Just aotc last night, might wanna use slayee
clever crag
How’s arms for raid guys? Performing better than fury thane at all?
Some bosses better some worse
sharp sequoia
<@407215582396547073> link your logs to prive
Next dangeon i post the logs.
shy kite
i checked already. got answers in pvt
sharp sequoia
For sure I'm doing something wrong in the rotation
halcyon kayak
!macros
elfin oak
Victory Rush macro now replaced with Impending Victory?
halcyon kayak
thx
humble hollow
Now that MS/BT do not proc reap anymore it is time to make unhinged casts cleavable again
dusty gazelle
Why don’t they proc reap anymore?
pale agate
another question for arms slayer:
u just sent opener cds.. avatar/cs/bs
right out of bladestorm, u have procs.. u can either press SUDDEN DEATH or CLEAVE (because of the CS) **which is the correct button to press in AoE? **
thick kelp
spend cleaves -> SD. Spend SD if it the buff ends before that
bright grove
(or you have 2 stacks already) - to avoid wasting a 3rd proc
pale agate
thats what i thought
so right out of bladestorm, somehow u have 2 sudden death procs
dont u wanna spend those 2 back to back then spam cleave ??
bright grove
just 1 ig
pale agate
oh ok
sacred zodiac
Stop plagiarizing
sacred zodiac
Born to steal. Forced to steal
Krisp when will pot conditional be fixed in the apl
fresh spire
I checked it on sims being 25/30 didn't make a difference. Sim variance on fight length is sussy. 2nd pot should be banned for sims
Since our 5 min sims are never the same duration
sacred zodiac
I checked it on sims being 25/30 didn't make a difference. Sim variance on fight...
i mean i figured but its more of a formality thing
30s pot thats being saved for the last 25 seconds of the fight
mild sierra
@sacred zodiac look how fucking back we are
sacred zodiac
competent tank so youd get 2 target cleave or random garbage
mild sierra
No clue how i pulled this dmg out my ass. 126k boss dps hahahah
mild sierra
competent tank so youd get 2 target cleave or random garbage
This, but boss dmg was unreal
mild sierra
mild sierra
very glad my guild killed lura yesterday!
Gz, but does this mean benched moment?
sacred zodiac
i was benched all tier you should know this
default assumption for all dps warriors in good guilds should be
mild sierra
Sadge
sacred zodiac
at least we'll blast reclear
mild sierra
I rerolled and got the feedback post tier
That im prob the best prog player we got
Maybe i just need to be off warrior to excel
Warrior brain debuff
rare kite
I rerolled and got the feedback post tier
rerolled to what tho
rare kite
good choice
bright grove
well, hunter brain debuff even stronger than war tho
gray herald
fresh hunter reroll hasnt developed hunter brain yet 🙏
high current
Hey guys i dont know how can i be better in 1 target raid... some can help me?
flat willow
the real answer is padding
high current
i think i have good talents (i hate slayer but...)
flat willow
steal the adds before the dh eats them
daring flicker
at least we'll blast reclear
You were benched due to you screaming at me to go to bed at 23:00 on a weekend
sacred zodiac
You were benched due to you screaming at me to go to bed at 23:00 on a weekend
you listened
daring flicker
Your actions have consequences
iron robin
hello arms geniuses. I know my gs sucks with 269 and hero track wepon at 276, but is 35kdps on single target bosses really normal? i cringe and its super emberassing every run
daring flicker
The fireplace and dog fallacy
iron robin
also i heard the spec is good at aoe, im also only doing like 130-230k max at big aoe pulls. im playing like 6 diferent dps classes and even with 250gs im doing much more dmg on all of them 😄
thorn stream
Bladestorm lasts so long because of pvp lol
Would it be so hard to make it so it has different durations in pve and pvp ?
sacred zodiac
The fireplace and dog fallacy
sundered doctrine was not cleared that evening
sacred zodiac
hello arms geniuses. I know my gs sucks with 269 and hero track wepon at 276, bu...
you gotta be a bit more specific im assuming you're playing colossus with that st dps
iron robin
xes im playing colossus
sacred zodiac
col has a lot less st but it shouldnt be that bad, also kinda dependent on your tank pulling extra adds into the fight for funnel
35k sounds like you're doing something very very wrong though
rose matrix
hello arms geniuses. I know my gs sucks with 269 and hero track wepon at 276, bu...
Yea 35k is very low
iron robin
i palyed a +10 pit just right now and i only did 89k overall dps and even the tank pulling really big my aoe dps wont go over 140-220k at max
sacred zodiac
thats kind of to be expected though you dont burst insanely hard but you hit every pack hard
90k overall is very grief though
iron robin
yes thats what i think im doing something super wrong, but i dont get what, i watched several guides, i played arms last expansion always doing good dmg but now, holy f its so emberassing that i even fear to enter another dungeon :
sacred zodiac
first thing is you're very behind on gear but thats vaguely fixable, go craft a myth 2h (or dont if you still have bonusrolls, you can probably jackpot the weapon from pit)
shut token
is there any website i can check what exact talents were used during myhtic runs from other people?
sacred zodiac
cant diagnose you through a screen i can recommend watching the biz arms guide
deft bluff
ey gang, is there any reason why Spear is so fucking bad?
sacred zodiac
is there any website i can check what exact talents were used during myhtic runs...
warcraftlogs
rose matrix
Biz guide is a bit outdated
shut token
warcraftlogs
Thanks!
iron robin
cant diagnose you through a screen i can recommend watching the biz arms guide
y the biz guide is one of the guides im watched, was really good, but still doing turbo low dps 😄
rose matrix
Might be a bad resource for someone already struggling
rose matrix
You don't use execute either
ashen night
i palyed a +10 pit just right now and i only did 89k overall dps and even the ta...
what helped me most for my col dmg was making Sound alert when ss is dropping off... so crucial to have it up for Giga CDR with ms
rose matrix
Doesn't go over demolish cdr
iron robin
colossus not using execute?
sacred zodiac
never has
iron robin
ok, didnt knew that, i tried to inspect what the one button rotation makro is doing and its using it
rose matrix
At one point you did technically use it as filler below 20%
Pretty sure it's even in that guide lol
Whether or not you clicked it idk
sacred zodiac
as a slam replacement ye but you never had the rage for that
soft peak
Not even with sudden death?
rose matrix
Either way for someone already confused about the spec that guide has a decent amount of outdated stuff
sacred zodiac
as a last resort yeah
iron robin
whats the outdated part in the guide? its only 4 weeks old not?
graceful sun
what helped me most for my col dmg was making Sound alert when ss is dropping of...
Was that a separate addon? I couldn't get the Blizz manager to play a sound alert for SS
sacred zodiac
Either way for someone already confused about the spec that guide has a decent a...
the video being wrong about two ST conditionals that are incredibly rare and kick in only a few times a fight will not detract from the correct part that explains how to do more than 90k overall dps
ashen night
i use Standard CDM
rose matrix
I just think watching that video he would probably go spamming Cleave and Execute in st
ashen night
its tracked buffs..rightclick add Sound alert..something like that, cant look rn
iron robin
I just think watching that video he would probably go spamming Cleave and Execut...
thats somehow correct lol
sacred zodiac
unsure if this is base UI but it is base ui functionality
graceful sun
its tracked buffs..rightclick add Sound alert..something like that, cant look rn
https://tenor.com/view/confused-confused-look-confused-face-funny-funny-look-gif-4850532509577233362
rose matrix
thats somehow correct lol
Yep exactly
ashen night
yh what spongie said
graceful sun
I know it just wasn't playing the sound for SS - worked perfectly for rend for example.
sacred zodiac
works for me shrug
graceful sun
I will have another go
rose matrix
The guide is wrong on 2 conditionals for Cleave but also the entire execute phase
dim basalt
It bugs more for SS than for Rend
rose matrix
Obviously cause of patches tho
native kite
Is there an updated reference for colossus?
graceful sun
It bugs more for SS than for Rend
It worked when the buff naturally dropped off, but not when it was "consumed" by using abilities. Blizz is cooked.
rose matrix
I am referencing the guide Biz made a few weeks ago
rose matrix
Is there an updated reference for colossus?
Wowhead is
dim basalt
It worked when the buff naturally dropped off, but not when it was "consumed" by...
It works for the latter too but...just half the time
Addon pruning was a good idea btw
iron robin
so not using cleave if target is under 35% or what are u refering to?
rose matrix
Nope
And you never use Execute outside of SD
Only time you Cleave is situationally in 2t but you can probably ignore that for now
rose matrix
so not using cleave if target is under 35% or what are u refering to?
Your ST prio basically boils down to HS > MS > OP > SD > Slam
iron robin
which proc was it you guys wanted the sound effect for?
rose matrix
And always keep rend up
sacred zodiac
which proc was it you guys wanted the sound effect for?
sweep expiring
more of a crutch than actually needing it
rose matrix
Does it only work when it expires and not when it runs out? I feel like my soun doesn't always work
graceful sun
Does it only work when it expires and not when it runs out? I feel like my soun ...
That was my experience.
dim basalt
It just isnt very consistent
Meanwhile Rend plays 4 fucking times when it runs out in ST
gg
graceful sun
Also there is no option for "nearly expiring" i.e. low stacks. It shouldn't be falling off in the first place.
flat willow
at least you won't miss it
iron robin
maybe this show you guys something? sadly have no log:
graceful sun
What a dog base UI
dim basalt
Also there is no option for "nearly expiring" i.e. low stacks. It shouldn't be f...
Pandemic
Tho I guess that only works for dots
graceful sun
where
ashen night
true.. miss WA so much
spice field
What's the optimal 285 crafts at the moment? Rings?
rose matrix
The worst is the nameplates imo
rose matrix
I hate them
graceful sun
The worst is the nameplates imo
"Ticks stacking nameplaters" launches them into the stratosphere instead
dim basalt
I mean that happened before as well
graceful sun
They are basically overlapping sometimes
rose matrix
Only time it would be bad was on huge pulls before now but it would just create a huge stacking list basically
dim basalt
.1 will fix shorley
rose matrix
Now on 6 target pulls I will have 3 nameplates directly on top of each other
graceful sun
the tab targetting change is the worst. Just picks some random mob 20 yds away.
ashen night
wish tab would prioritize mobs that are casting rn
dim basalt
wish tab would prioritize mobs that are casting rn <:sadge:820202363359854633>
It does
Thats how I kick most of the time
ashen night
it does? never seemed like thst to me
dim basalt
I dont think its related to my addon
sacred zodiac
I dont think its related to my addon
should be base behaviour
ashen night
mh.. i always have to tab multiple Times before i get a casting caster as target in pit
graceful sun
Just use a proximity kick macro gg gg
rose matrix
I just use focus or click the nameplate
dim basalt
btw does anyone else feel like Slayer in M+ is way stronger than what it was pre .5
Although it should be similar numerically
graceful sun
Haven't tried
iron robin
after the buffs yesteray is slayer better for m+? more overall dps compared to colossus?
dim basalt
Nope
sacred zodiac
for pugs slayer is probably better now
slow saddle
Although it should be similar numerically
The st is deffo better
dim basalt
well yeah but it also feels stronger in aoe
slow saddle
I know we say col better funnel
But big dude mob gettin executes from 35%
Feels rather impact full
slow saddle
Now just more sd procs
rose matrix
My problem with Slayer is it can feel really good at points and also really bad
slow saddle
And slayer arms would feel compøete
Ofc fix the 2 x sd procs = negative am
Thats duckin odd
iron robin
is it normsal to be rage starved testing my single target rota on the dummy?
feels horrible
sharp wyvern
Try getting a shaman buff
slow saddle
And not prioin op enuff
I if u have 60 rage and 2 op, just 1 op
Even if ms is rdy imho
dim basalt
.1 rage rework shorley
iron robin
ok my st dps iw way better now
am i delaying cs always to use it together with demolisher in st ?
iron robin
because cs is alwways ready like 10-15 second before demolish
iron robin
got 790 currently
rose matrix
Dude Slarms st feels pretty terrible without sd procs
ashen night
because cs is alwways ready like 10-15 second before demolish
just smash it, Demo should still become rdy during cs window in that case. i feel its only on ST where it vastly goes out of sync
slow saddle
He was askin st
ashen night
oh..mb
slow saddle
Exactly
I mean unless boss at 2%
U got 5 stacks u csn bring into a big pull
And slap
mortal crag
I if u have 60 rage and 2 op, just 1 op
P sure above 40 u can ms
slow saddle
Depends
mortal crag
More like dihhpends
slow saddle
No sham are u col or slayer
mortal crag
Just col st
mortal crag
Slayer has less rage issues
slow saddle
Yes but also a higher prio of op🤣
mortal crag
No?
slow saddle
I think i simmes 95k in m+
mortal crag
I mean if ur low rolling procs on fury and it's a dogshit uptime boss, then maybe
mortal crag
I'm calling cap
thick kelp
You sim slayer 1t 5m 95k with m+ build?
just cuz ur sim is low doesnt mean everyone elses is too
slow saddle
Lrt me chexk
mortal crag
just cuz ur sim is low doesnt mean everyone elses is too
Wrong and wrong
thick kelp
67
slow saddle
Legit might ve cope🤣
thick kelp
my full raidbuffs m+ slayr sims like 90k
thick kelp
cant sim fury cuz I only have 1 2h
latent moss
latent moss
W
mortal crag
So now fury playable
slow saddle
A million people in queue
soft peak
GGG
latent moss
magisters algethar
slow saddle
my gear decent im 284
mortal crag
Magister u can still Colo
For sure
Nah u can funnel 2nd
And first
Like omega funnel first
Some dumb tech still
slow saddle
i mean again if any kind of pug answer is slayer
mortal crag
u can send 2 enforcers
latent moss
do u play the fire mage
mortal crag
On 2nd
latent moss
oh
mortal crag
That's 1st
dim basalt
My M+ Slayer sims 95k 1T what
mortal crag
1st u play fire mage + u can pull pack before
With incap
Idk it's some cooked brew shit the usual
slow saddle
wtf 415 ppl in queue wth
mortal crag
- then u can pull healer pack
latent moss
lowk might just send slayer arms adn not worry about funnel
mortal crag
Ye it's cringe
mortal crag
I mean the issue is just that Colo is just omegabis with funnel
slow saddle
i dno the difference actually
mortal crag
like it also likes funnel
It likes it less
latent moss
yeah i mean we are gonna start pushing next week and we got funnel routes but no skyfury
might actually kms
mortal crag
Colo spikes from like 75k to nearly 130
latent moss
dont really need funnel with aoe rota but
dim basalt
yeah i mean we are gonna start pushing next week and we got funnel routes but no...
go next
mortal crag
Slayer goes from 85-90 to like 110?
slow saddle
Colo spikes from like 75k to nearly 130
yea but what about slayer?
latent moss
dont really need funnel with aoe rota but
skyfury
mortal crag
Just run 3target
latent moss
i meant
mortal crag
And check HTML file
mortal crag
Bro literally just go thane
slow saddle
i mean probably
mortal crag
It's better by every metric than slayer arms
slow saddle
or slayer fury tbh
mortal crag
That's even worse
latent moss
It's better by every metric than slayer arms
im not convinced
mortal crag
Ur getting 3k more st than thane
slow saddle
nah it has almost same AOE as thane
latent moss
thane has been simming equal to colo on 8t
mortal crag
nah it has almost same AOE as thane
That's omega cope
latent moss
for ages now
slow saddle
gap should have increased no ?`on any multi target scenaroy ?
latent moss
yet in keys it was never close
mortal crag
Yeah
flat willow
It's better by every metric than slayer arms
yeah but slayer arms is fun
mortal crag
I ran thane
flat willow
what about the vibes
slow saddle
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/21eHhwNTkKGppsdTnoeHCm <-- my m+ build atm as slayer
latent moss
idk its cheeks gameplay wise for me
mortal crag
Im gonna send some 21s as both in like 30 min
latent moss
slayer fury
mortal crag
On stream
dim basalt
97.5k is wild tho
slow saddle
but i mean u will have druid - shaman - monk ?
mortal crag
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/21eHhwNTkKGppsdTnoeHCm <-- my m+ build at...
Your m+ build plays st talents?
Wtf is this cook
No Mass exec?
latent moss
new slayer build
latent moss
can drop powerful for mass
slow saddle
dependin a bit on key
mortal crag
new slayer build
I haven't tested it so I'll c
slow saddle
u just hard spam execute
latent moss
wait i have something to show you
dim basalt
ye that slayer build is sick
slow saddle
yeah its fun AF
dim basalt
Can drop PM for mass exe
latent moss
I haven't tested it so I'll c
mortal crag
I'd much rather slayer arms than thane
dim basalt
Prob better
slow saddle
yeye i know
latent moss
its a low key
slow saddle
i think i had it like that after MC
latent moss
but
mortal crag
Post talent tree
Lemme check
When I'm home
Sending 20 21s with turbogronil
Will u guys chune in?
slow saddle
latent moss
slow saddle
small numbers but a 17
latent moss
powerful is a flex point
slow saddle
seat
slow saddle
yeah do it please im curious
dim basalt
Sounds a bit unlikely for higher keys
slow saddle
Checkin now just for fun
slow saddle
imma say not worth it
if sims are using correct prio
600 dps difference
But u might get more if u
latent moss
op already giga high on prio
doubt
st
mass exec below powerful on 8t 1 min
not surprised
mass exec has always been the first aoe talent to drop
as slayer
i will try to cook an apl for this exe build
until fishy is done
warped owl
Does vantus rune get lowered by reck pot if you have zero vers?
warped owl
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7Mpf6nn3ivYjJ9b7xh4F3H
It’s these talents
For m+
latent moss
WHATS THE SLAYER BUILD
chatting
actions.slayer_aoe+=/cleave
actions.slayer_aoe+=/execute,if=buff.sudden_death.up|buff.executioners_precision.stack<2
actions.slayer_aoe+=/overpower,if=talent.dreadnaught
actions.slayer_aoe+=/mortal_strike,if=buff.executioners_precision.stack=2
actions.slayer_aoe+=/rend,if=dot.rend_dot.remains
actions.slayer_aoe+=/execute
Powerful momentum better than mass execution? Or just more prio dmg
warped owl
Seems weird that powerful momentum would scale better at higher target amounts
warped owl
Oh ye dreadnaught double hit makes sense
mortal crag
now to run
fresh spire
Dn always hits max damage regardless of powerful
mortal crag
1t 4m
2t 4m
3t 4m
8t 1.5m
fresh spire
latent moss
Dn always hits max damage regardless of powerful
makes sense tbh
dim basalt
What about OF tho
warped owl
Ah so it’s just more the execute from sudden death pulling big numbers
latent moss
What about OF tho
bad
dim basalt
sad
dim basalt
Yeah thats really bad
mortal crag
old sim was 85k
latent moss
i always forget this
sacred zodiac
what about 2 billion targets
mortal crag
mortal crag
what about 2 billion targets
what about 3 billion beers
sacred zodiac
3 billion beers please
mortal crag
4 billion beers
umbral linden
only drunkards or ideologically pure and just people play arms
latent moss
powerful isnt enough with our haste levels
midnight cradle
only drunkards or ideologically pure and just people play arms
I have no idea where i stand in that, but I've been arms since bc -.-
latent moss
ye imp ss would have closer to 100%
latent moss
ye
mortal crag
u have 86% without BL
alr lets try SS
its for sure a damage loss on 2-3 targets tho
its only a 90% with SS
and its a damage loss
latent moss
interesting
mortal crag
OMEGALUL
latent moss
ye its a damage loss for me too
thick kelp
pad pad pad
forest mesa
Anybody figure out how to track swing timer or is this not possible anymore?
dim basalt
as fully predicted it gaps aoe
Just proc more SDs
latent moss
pad pad pad
do i send crests
on rings
i have vorasius and wedding
im not running npx rings
mortal crag
ALR WAIT
WAIT HOLD ON
FOLLOW THAT CHUNE
SO MY SLAYER ST SIMS 88K
MY THANE SIMS 90K
BUT IF LIKE WE KNOW
THANE AOE IS SCUFF
AND NO PRIO
MAAAAAAAAAAYBE
i actually try to send unironic slayer keys
latent moss
idk thane sims are cope
flat willow
🔥
latent moss
thane always simmed equal to colo in aoe
dim basalt
Are you simming with all raid buffs?
latent moss
yet in real keys it was never even close
@thick kelp can confirm
like back when arms got its first big aura buff
15% or w/e
they were equal
latent moss
no sims
umbral linden
thane always simmed equal to colo in aoe
my hate towards fury is immeasureable
dim basalt
Just curious
mortal crag
i despise CURRENT fury
latent moss
ngl
latent moss
thane fury does have
dim basalt
my hate towards fury is immeasureable
This entire channel does ngl
latent moss
hello im fury warrior i will have 40k more hp than everyone
latent moss
and passive 20% dr
umbral linden
fury always imo felt as weird arms powercreep
umbral linden
can do all but better, because tWoBiGwEaPoNs
latent moss
idk its kinda worse than arms this season at everything except st
way less prio less aoe
slow saddle
Slayer m+
slow saddle
Haha mortal
umbral linden
well its just top key parse
ye
it is more or less effective at the end of the week
also hate metahunters
amount of arms' runs increased 2-3 times when he got tuned up on m+ week
latent moss
looks about right tho
slow saddle
Aug where
latent moss
something something got nerfed?
@fresh spire am i doing something wrong
or is not msing on aoe a dps increase
latent moss
so its cleave>sd>op>exe>ms
latent moss
i wanna try cleave>exe sd | high rage>op>exe>ms
hasty pumice
It's so average across the board. Decent aoe, decent ST, decent prio but nothing amazing
mortal crag
sending slarms on 21 NXP now
latent moss
slarms cranks st
slow saddle
Lmk
hasty pumice
sending slarms on 21 NXP now
Enjoy being disappointed
hasty pumice
Yeah but I don't think either is the way
mortal crag
@slow saddle on stream
hasty pumice
Psure it's still col everywhere
slow saddle
Aa skyreach deffo id say slayer
mortal crag
small pulls, high prio, high st, real dogshit design
latent moss
idk we did right side in like
4 pulls
in a 20
like 2 weeks ago
but we depleted cause pug died
and tank tried to salvage and died too
no cr and cables are scuffed
mortal crag
is music volume ok on stream?
latent moss
@fresh spire axaxaxaxaxa
ms is below rend
on aoe
actions.slayer_aoe+=/cleave
actions.slayer_aoe+=/execute,if=buff.sudden_death.up|buff.executioners_precision.stack<2|rage>75
actions.slayer_aoe+=/overpower,if=talent.dreadnaught
actions.slayer_aoe+=/execute
actions.slayer_aoe+=/rend,if=dot.rend_dot.remains
actions.slayer_aoe+=/mortal_strike
this is the highest i got to sim
@mortal crag
latent moss
why are u not red name
slow saddle
stream live eta gg
I gotts ask whats the stream?
thick kelp
```
actions.slayer_aoe+=/cleave
actions.slayer_aoe+=/execute,if=buff.sudden_deat...
@stable fiber holy you vibed this rend > ms filler
slow saddle
Twitcg?
uneven minnow
Are we stance mastery gamers now?
mortal crag
I gotts ask whats the stream?
ragishwow
latent moss
always have been
uneven minnow
always have been
? since when'
mortal crag
uneven minnow
wowhead tree didn't show stance mastery as the play till this week, and top parses didn't show a pick rate over 30-40% for it from what I saw on chim/imperator/vorasiu
olive nest
Been stance mastering keybuild since day 1
mortal crag
SENDING ANOTHER SLAYER ATTEMPT
uneven minnow
I leveled a panda warrior
prob will end up race changing it if i don't like the no worgen speed
fresh spire
wowhead tree didn't show stance mastery as the play till this week, and top pars...
Stance mastery is within margin of error now of barbaric
Better off running stance and being invincibl
uneven minnow
barbaric for cleave, stance for st is the play then?
and then crushing force for st, and drop it for stance in cleave is what I see?
vale gorge
I have a question: wow analyzer tell me I should use more Heroic strike when my target is below 35% hp. Am I missing some interaction ?
uneven minnow
heroic strike gives stacking 3% armor pen
you should never not use it is my very basic understanding
olive nest
```
actions.slayer_aoe+=/cleave
actions.slayer_aoe+=/execute,if=buff.sudden_deat...
Ms below rend 
mortal crag
DEADGE
fast quest
I'd love to see an extension of the Colossal Might buff. Far too often in M+ my stacks drop off between packs etc, even an extra 5 seconds would be huge
mortal crag
TANK IS TROLLING BTWWWWWWW
dim basalt
more importantly, he ugly
uneven minnow
he's the highest dps racial and thats all that matters
fresh spire
uneven minnow
:coping:
olive nest
fresh spire
dark onyx
Is it worth to spam several slams to not cap rage as slayer, sometimes it feels like i am getting way too lucky with rage regen and unable to spend OP charges
MS being on cd ofc
uneven minnow
slam is your empty gcd ability
misty bridge
the new slayer m+ build just uses normal slayer priority on st (outside of execute)?
fresh spire
```
actions.slayer_aoe+=/cleave
actions.slayer_aoe+=/execute,if=buff.sudden_deat...
Didn't find any changes with 5 targets. Maybe where your doing 8 rends just worth more purely because the uncapped on hit is more than 2ms
uneven minnow
Is it worth to spam several slams to not cap rage as slayer, sometimes it feels ...
slam is the 'i have literally nothing else to do' button
wintry dome
guides are up to date
untold lake
guides are up to date
TYVM
slow saddle
now I just have to find 6 pit of sarons ;-;
Facts
uneven minnow
show me that mans execute phase length and if he got PI
dim basalt
show me that mans execute phase length and if he got PI
95k with PI would be p low
dim basalt
Just stick on boss and do rota correctly gg
elder sandal
Great first kill
uneven minnow
bonk bonk
rain cipher
For those who has no access to mythic raid, in which dungeons we should prioritize our bonus role?
I have 7 tokens
pseudo wadi
For those who has no access to mythic raid, in which dungeons we should prioriti...
Pit of Saron, basically every item is near bis and no real wasted ones
uneven minnow
pit of saron has 6/8 near bis/bis items
olive nest
I have 7 tokens
I think pit is your best bet if you do not have the weapon from there
uneven minnow
and 2 items you can conver wtih catalyst charges
olive nest
The only bad item in pit is the cloak because that’s a crafted embelish slot
All other items are great
rain cipher
Ok.. thanks 😊
uneven minnow
IMO I think it's pit of saron -> NXP
olive nest
I agree that’s how I used my rolls
Once I got what I wanted from pit I went to npx and got omega lucky and rolled rings back to back lol
uneven minnow
I get neck off my pit next week which is an upgrade at 6/6 to my eternal voidsong chain from heroic
olive nest
Noice noice
olive nest
Didn't find any changes with 5 targets. Maybe where your doing 8 rends just wort...
Honestly makes sense in large aoe ye
uneven minnow
it's kinda crazy how strong voidsong chain is
its just a fuck ton of haste and that damage proc with seat gloves
umbral linden
Honestly makes sense in large aoe ye
asked this sometime ago, looks like i was right in some sense?
can we really send rend for just the initial dmg? especially when pack is 20-30ish
pseudo wadi
For slayer, should bladestorm be used on CD or only with CS?
uneven minnow
line up with CS and avatar will enetually line up
pull you can pop all at the same time ofc
weary star
fresh spire
slow saddle
@mortal crag npx conclusion?
olive nest
Stance mastery vs barbaric training is within sim variance for me so that’s a no brainer pick with stance mastery
brisk sedge
stance mastery is godsend
maiden moon
question regarding arms colo, ravager ends up desync with avatar, i hold avatar for CS but do i hold ravager at any moment ?
smoky mortar
send them together
mortal crag
@slow saddle its actually cracked on nxp
but cant time it
cursed
going 19th time now ig
maiden moon
send them together
i can't when they get desync avatar comes back up faster ?
so i should hold ravager for the next avatar ?
smoky mortar
hold ravager to send with CS & Av when they align again
CS and Avatar should always end up aligning every other
fresh spire
As long as it syncs with Cs your good. If avatars up same time even better.
Worth holding ravager on St if you know aoe is coming after
deft bluff
where is the slayer arms m+ chef
mortal crag
CS and Avatar should always end up aligning every other
?
deft bluff
i require their build
mortal crag
where is the slayer arms m+ chef
sending rn
deft bluff
thank you
thick kelp
lowk overpowering >> pm
deft bluff
send me the build import my brother
thick kelp
busy guy
thick kelp
@mortal crag noway u are playing lights hope instead of reck pot
smoky mortar
send together/send CS once without/send together
lunar idol
guys, i'm looking for a ST raid totation with slayer. Is wowhead up to date ? Doing Lura tonight
thick kelp
guys, i'm looking for a ST raid totation with slayer. Is wowhead up to date ? Do...
yes
lunar idol
i sim 98k but only do 75k on trainers 🙁
wintry dome
turn off raid buffs in the sim
lunar idol
oh yeah that's the right number now. Thx ;D
mortal crag
<@185013148506521600> noway u are playing lights hope instead of reck pot
they SIM THE SAME
flat willow
hmmmmmm crayon
thick kelp
in favor of reck
wraith lichen
Rocks are my favorite snack
soft peak
AA its the most shit dungeon
outer tendon
slow saddle
<@242626242254209025> its actually cracked on nxp
Feels like it should be
Like funnel first boss was epic, but every1 kills em, and then u back to col st🤣
Or u can do near 80k after? As it closes to 35%
mortal crag
colossus smash & avatar sync every other colossus smash
do u only get colo every 45s?
or every 20s?
olive nest
@latent moss max potential I think
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rBm6VW3o54MHFD6aMyLivX
Possibly mastery gems didn’t check that actually but doubtful
smoky mortar
do u only get colo every 45s?
the CDR on AM applies evenly? so the difference in cds is always consistent
bleak arrow
<@692035495718551564> max potential I think
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/rep...
Sad we don’t post for stack sim so the community can see we’re great.
olive nest
That’s with vantus so numbers a few k higher
It’ll probably be vantus lura all farm surely
bleak arrow
Nah. Vantus reclear to parse then tell raid lead you accidentally used it
fresh spire
<@692035495718551564> max potential I think
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/rep...
tried without reckless
when you use vantus reckless basically explodes it
olive nest
Reck pot + vantus bad sim?
olive nest
Ohh didn’t know!
fresh spire
sim will probs go up a little
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bsQWwUYMmH1yBgMMcrpHip reckless Vantus
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oNFfvCxGXkdNp6bDFDqQf6 Lights vantus
olive nest
Wait so on vantus boss, we are cooked?
Or just sim issue
I checked the break down it says
crit buff 1
Vers penalty 1
fresh spire
this is something i'm not entirely sure of, the moment you pull a boss do you just gain vers :sus:
olive nest
Should be fine because once I started using the cancel aura macro for haste buffs I was consistently getting crit in game on vantus boss
fresh spire
Sims take the vers and add it to your character, starting with 57, after pull you have 333 stats, pot just explodes those where otherwise it would only -57
olive nest
Lights potential spit out 116,156
Think I have enough mastery where the vantus vers is still less than mastery so I don’t have that problem on my sim
fresh spire
weird 😄
stable fiber
<@232249410103279616> holy you vibed this rend > ms filler
I just remembered it being kind good on high target counts
Like in AA you almost certainly push rend over MS
On that first pull
slow saddle
they SIM THE SAME
I have 52 resi
left shard
can we play slayer in pit?
royal escarp
gentle gyro
What is the current Slayer Raid build?
pulsar frost
same old
obtuse kiln
is massacre better than the martial prowess build?
paper gulch
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1ofCVhuK5Y4h44dMyXhAWh
290 item level wow
I'm only 283
Oh i see what you did, 298 trinket
pulsar frost
is massacre better than the martial prowess build?
in keys? we havent taken MP in keys for a while now
magic pike
how to properly utilize puzzlebox in m+ scenarios?
pulsar frost
prepull
paper gulch
how to properly utilize puzzlebox in m+ scenarios?
magic pike
but quite often there will be a chain between packs etc. i guess its worth popping with 1-2 units up, if i know ill be with a big pack afterwards
ionic mica
youd just use it before cds in a big pull
pulsar frost
If chaining judt do it before the movement then leap or chargw
ionic mica
and adapt from there
pulsar frost
Ezpz
gentle gyro
Oh i see what you did, 298 trinket
wait, how
pulsar frost
We dont have it as bad as other meeles since we have movement
magic pike
Right. I got puzzlebox myth or solarprism hero.. i figured puzzlebox would be best anyway
pulsar frost
box myth is good espically if dont have a myth trink but shit is anoying to use
magic pike
yea i really hate it. i hope to try pug for mythic "heart of ancient hunger"
nova marsh
in keys? we havent taken MP in keys for a while now
There is an MP colo build
vapid goblet
yea i really hate it. i hope to try pug for mythic "heart of ancient hunger"
done 4/9 mythic pugs since week 2 lol
slow saddle
Gl hf 21 npx?
mortal crag
reroll group
was actually insane
my 3950 rogue didnt know that if u strafe engi field u take admage
magic pike
how often should i swap between stances in m+?
mortal crag
damage
magic pike
done 4/9 mythic pugs since week 2 lol
thats impressive. im not on ur level 😛
slow saddle
done 4/9 mythic pugs since week 2 lol
Gotta be community
mortal crag
especially if u highroll
smoky kayak
how often should i swap between stances in m+?
as often as you need to; if you're not taking dangerous amounts of damage, you don't need to be in defensive stance
vapid goblet
Gotta be community
like 50/50
magic pike
as often as you need to; if you're not taking dangerous amounts of damage, you d...
am i okay to assume battle stance 100% of the time is fine uptil high keys? im barely doing 14s now
slow saddle
Y i mean my guild couldnt 4 / 8 week 2
mortal crag
am i okay to assume battle stance 100% of the time is fine uptil high keys? im b...
yeah
u dont need to worry about defensive stance in 14s
slow saddle
Only 2 days a week and hc as well but still
smoky kayak
the trick is to identify when things are going sideways and use defensive stance before dangerous things happen
- don't think you'll be able to get out of a swirl
- healer dies
- targeted by XYZ
etc
slow saddle
Y tbh dstance i started 2 use in 17-18s
17s its very few places,the holy fire runic wounds moba
I dstance pre
Coz that shits mad
pulsar frost
There *is* an MP colo build
default doesnt i believe
magic pike
the trick is to identify when things are going sideways and use defensive stance...
thats really good perspective. thanks for sharing
pulsar frost
oh i assumed the original commentor wanted to know about AOE/keys cause who tfi s playing col in ST
slow saddle
Its still in the aoe build