arms

[latent moss]

and slayer is horrible if shit doesnt live

[slow saddle]

i mean id say its oppsite as Bladestorm does big dmg now

[scenic umbra]

Wtf really hahaha

Colossus only?

[summer shore]

so slayers > colossus now?

[thick kelp]

Bersonal preference

[fresh spire]

[summer shore]

colossus st is so cringe

[smoky garden]

Are we going Slayer for AA and SR now?

[brisk sedge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8F3AHyPBBc4xwDWx6RefcA

do i go for nexusu now for bonus rolls ?

[rugged cobalt]

So with this.
In AoE you keep rend then Cleave > Exe > OP > MS and bladestorm in colo smash.
in ST you Exe and OP spam, fill with slams. you MS in Colo smash for extend or in execute with 2x EP? that's it?

[brisk sedge]

what do you guys think ? or still pit

[rose matrix]

In execute phase you only send MS when you have CS and 2 stacks of EP

If you're running the new build with execute talents

Which you should be

[fresh spire]

If anyone wants to commit some sins in colossus

#fuckravager

[round cedar]

after the buffs now, is slayer better for m+? 🙂

[rugged cobalt]

Can you pls send a link to the build? A bit confused here

[rose matrix]

It's in #updates-midnight

Click on by run massacre

[rose matrix]

Only sin there is never having rage

Not even in aoe

[floral lake]

is arms changes live on eu or still bugged?

[fresh spire]

Enhance required. Ct bleeder man

I dunno. Was fucking with some meme build. Pretty sure dropping ct and taking mp/slam reduction was better for dos

[thick hamlet]

what's dos

[paper dove]

why am i as a Warrior not get invited into 10s - 14s ?with 3,3k rio

[flint cloud]

any new slayer m+build？

[smoky garden]

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/arms/slayer/EAOBRUUVFVFGZEqRQBQNVUVVCZBVUYUF0CFAFFVVVUBB

[flint cloud]

thx

[twin hearth]

just do your own key, I did some 12s as 227 with 1,6k rio, its so much easier than to compete with potentially 50 other people

[paper dove]

but i need to do pit for rerolls

The social unacceptability of Warrior is the single most thing i hate about this class

[latent moss]

hooooooly build

[fair tinsel]

Dps warrior moment

[fresh spire]

[dim basalt]

wtf

[latent moss]

exe genuinely

does infinite dmg wtf

[dim basalt]

For the first time in who knows how long

Finally recovered from the juggernaut removal ig

[latent moss]

bozo was right

exe cleave spam in aoe

is so peak

[dim basalt]

exe spam in aoe sounds so wrong tho

[latent moss]

its peak trust me

[slow saddle]

aug dissapointment fr

[latent moss]

im doing

[slow saddle]

was a NPX tank was pullin kindda randomly though

[latent moss]

cleave>ms if 2xep and cs up>op if low on rage>exe

in aoe

[slow saddle]

and i died on the amp boss coz he died

[flat willow]

problem with aug is you can never know if they know what they are doing

or just pressing random buttons

[smoky garden]

what keys are Slayer keys now?

[slow saddle]

im pretty certain this was at random

arlen probably ALL keys

in pugs

[static patrol]

so what ewre the execute build ? whre to find that ?

[slow saddle]

like 100% if u dont have a grp

just play slayer

u will do less overall

[slow saddle]

but u will do good prio dmg and u will do A LOT better boss dmg

[latent moss]

powerful momentum is a flex point

im running sims rn

to try and figure out some good options

[static patrol]

cheers

[inner condor]

execute now triggers aoe from slayer?

[latent moss]

sudden death

[hard rock]

whats best for keys now tell me

[flat willow]

if you are premade with your tank probably still colossus

if you are pugging and the tanks would rather explode in real life than bringing trashes to the boss, probably slayer

you need a shaman slave for both

[rugged hill]

This is prob the most frustrating part that took me way too long to realize lol

[paper dove]

can u post build?

[latent moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898720803586048/1501546805056507904/image.png?ex=69fc77ef&is=69fb266f&hm=5594632d5b034ba91206181816daaf963b38fe094d682722820bc41317982979&

[rugged cobalt]

But so let me get it straight please.. I just did a key tryingt the execute slayer. Surely in both AoE and ST, if I don't have OP, SD/Exe or Cleave up, I hit mortal strike over slam, no?

[flat willow]

yes

[rugged cobalt]

So AoE is like Cleave > OP > Exe > MS > Slam

[flat willow]

don't forget rend

[paper dove]

thx

[hard rock]

Why PM over Mass Exec?

[rugged cobalt]

yeh obv keep rend up ❤️

[latent moss]

idk

its a flex point

u can drop it for mass exec in dungeons with a lot of aoe i guess

[rapid ermine]

is speccing into this exe build better than the current slayer build on wowhead?

[rose matrix]

AoE for Slayer is Cleave > SD Execute > OP > MS

[mortal crag]

3.9k btw

[rose matrix]

Get gud

Swap to Dev

[ionic mica]

they dont want your elitist mindset in their weekly

get out

you might be useful or do damage or something, cant have that

[inner condor]

so now what is better, colossus or slayer?

[rose matrix]

Colossus in most dungeons

Prob Slayer in SR and AA

[frail helm]

I'm sure this has been asked a billion times already, but col still bis for vanguard?

[mortal crag]

yes

[inner condor]

ty

[native niche]

Sometimes ppl especially decline high rated ppl and their alts cause they feel like it’s gonna get too „sweaty“

[mortal crag]

bro i js wanna time

not even time

do u even need to time

to bonus loot?

[native niche]

Not my own opinion but I read it a lot on Reddit and such

[native niche]

Nope

[mortal crag]

gg

[native niche]

Just finish the dungeon

[rose matrix]

WoW reddit gives me a headache

[native niche]

Time is just for rating and upgrading keystone

Vault and bonus roll is just finishing

[rose matrix]

Half the posts are about getting 3k for the first time

[lone yarrow]

reddit in general is a source of headache

[rose matrix]

Yep

I like the sports reddits tho

They are good

For the most part

[mortal crag]

competitivewow and its people pushing 3.3k

[lone yarrow]

What got to me is I saw people complaining about blizzard dumbing the game down cosntantly, first with single button rotation then with pruning

And imagine how many of the people complaining about this step foot in a mythic raid within last 10 years

[smoky garden]

am i the only one that doesnt get a SD procks for like a 30s?

[lone yarrow]

While I often hear from new players that these changes made the game way more accessible

like even using SBA as a tooltip on what to press next

[rose matrix]

Honestly half of the time I read a reddit post about wow I wonder if the people making them even play the game

[lone yarrow]

not all of them, I scroll through it during commute from time to time and there's a lot of statements regarding lore that are just plain wrong and are spoonfed if you play the game

[rose matrix]

The pruning overall was pretty good

Ngl I have never payed any attention to the lore

[lone yarrow]

fair but point being there are people sharing opinions that would not have place if they just played the game

and I guess it's not lore only, it's just more visible with it

[night niche]

Not only that but most that complain are even ppl that haven't played the game since like mop or cata

[fresh spire]

Most reddits are shot holes

Shit*

[night niche]

Agreed

a cess pool for ppl to mald and complain over the smallest thing

[lone yarrow]

yall seen arc raiders reddit by any chance?

now that's a shithole

[night niche]

i haven't but im not suprised

[latent moss]

no idea

prolly

[hushed patrol]

i remember the general discord channel on patch day

[dim basalt]

idk what it is but Slayer feels way stronger than what it was pre patch

[hushed patrol]

exec is so back

[dim basalt]

200k pit without sham

and deaths

[latent moss]

with

2x ct build or

[dim basalt]

ye

[latent moss]

how is it without sham

bozo said its ass

[dim basalt]

Felt fine?

Maybe I just had good rng with SD tho

Was also just a +12 so anything dies quickly

I think I also peaked like 700k or so in first pull

[empty sluice]

u can just go bb+battlelord without sham, should feel better

[dim basalt]

2x BB is like 0.6% gain only

roughly

I only really used MS in ST, in aoe I just kept spamming exe

[sacred zodiac]

@latent moss do i play slarms in pit now

i MUST top dps my weekly 10s

[thick kelp]

skullemoji

[sacred zodiac]

do not skull emoji me and instruct me how to top dps my difficult content

is that guy who the feelycrafter role was made for still around

[dim basalt]

nope

[sacred zodiac]

pissing me off

cant have anything nice in skyhold

[dim basalt]

We might have a new contender tho

[astral yarrow]

where is roidstack when you need him

[sacred zodiac]

drop the beans on the floor

[dim basalt]

There was a guy earlier who geuinely said that simming is wasted, just follow bis list

[sacred zodiac]

hes so right

[dim basalt]

With how pushy they were they must have meant it

[candid garden]

Just look logs

And emulate highest bidder

[dim basalt]

fuck logs

just sim

[ionic mica]

weirdly they said that bis lists were worth following because they had been simmed so much

so sims are so good they are better than sims

[sacred zodiac]

Fuck

[dim basalt]

[ionic mica]

hard to argue with such correct takes

theyre more in favour of sims that we are

[sacred zodiac]

i just go on bis.com and pull some setup i like

[dim basalt]

me when playing last epoch

[ionic mica]

how could you mislead me so

[thick kelp]

Bis list takes a total of 1 sim to make

[sacred zodiac]

i get my raid bis list from raid.com

[astral yarrow]

just have a gajillion iterations

fry the entire ocean

[sacred zodiac]

ask simgpt to sim yoru characters

[thick kelp]

local 12h sim with every item and gem combo

[dim basalt]

ai companies hate this trick

[sacred zodiac]

make it a 2 week sim by adding race combos too bud

what race are bis lists made with anyways

human probs or

[thick kelp]

what ever is good

arms one is on dwarf

for uhh

[astral yarrow]

crit dam

[thick kelp]

panda sims better butr

[astral yarrow]

dorf or tauren

[sacred zodiac]

make it with vulpera next time buddy

[thick kelp]

Shure

[sacred zodiac]

ty bud

[dim basalt]

time to sandbag

fuck yeah

[thick kelp]

Should I make the sim use the racial t oo on cd?

[astral yarrow]

yes

[sacred zodiac]

not again..

[thick kelp]

Holy

[dim basalt]

what even is their racial

[astral yarrow]

no, have it be first global of CS

[thick kelp]

throw sacks

[sacred zodiac]

we were guilty of it this tier dw

[thick kelp]

at enemy

[dim basalt]

lmao

[sacred zodiac]

inf aoe damage or inf aoe healing (the inf part was too broken for healing so they soft target capped it)

[astral yarrow]

avatar+CS straight into bag of tricks

maybe follow it up with rend

no conditionals

[sacred zodiac]

ok since no one wants me to link a slarms m+ build i will open warbreaker.gg

[fresh glacier]

vulp supremacy

[sacred zodiac]

evil ass vulpine pfp

[thick kelp]

bro

its like

3 messages up

by cone

[sacred zodiac]

what if i want fatality

[thick kelp]

Sure

drop EP

dont press MS at all

5head

[sacred zodiac]

what if i want EP and fatality but dont want avatar

[thick kelp]

Sure

die

Play this instead

[short crescent]

When guides say to hold off on ms until two executes, are we just like sending filler or overpower in the meantime? Exe has a cd to fill

[sacred zodiac]

thank you walhe

[lone yarrow]

no ravager build holy baseg

[sacred zodiac]

we need a hosen build for arms

[thick kelp]

I think that counts as hosen

[sacred zodiac]

hosen build just dropped

[thick kelp]

Guides are for slayer which runs imp exe

Holy hell

Swap to efficiency noober

[sacred zodiac]

lets sim it 💪

[thick kelp]

you have a bad slam talent

[sacred zodiac]

wtf is efficiency

do you think i acutally know talent names of talents that havent ruined class design

[thick kelp]

Choice node with this

[sacred zodiac]

lets see the rotation 💪

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wWAWenGmkDytBkwKrPoxD5

[unique bridge]

slam, slam, slam, slam

[sacred zodiac]

this just looks like a normal arms rotation its not tha tbad

[thick kelp]

Only 30k dps behind the normal build

not bad

[unique bridge]

yeah that's cursed

[sacred zodiac]

hosen build finally viable

[thick kelp]

you should take the CS nodes

[sacred zodiac]

now we need to consider the third leg build

[thick kelp]

so we get third leg build

[smoky garden]

do we press Execute if we dont have SD?

[thick kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/context-context-hat-i-require-context-soyjak-wojak-gif-11496174374422496290

[ripe field]

I thought that Arms Colo is supposed to be 20% ahead of Arms Slayer in MT? Simming 5 and 10 target, 2 and 5 minutes Arms Colo is 23-26% ahead of Arms Slayer.

[thick kelp]

why are u simming 5minutes aoe

[thick kelp]

everyone and their mother (me) is doing these number sims 1min 10T and nothing else

[steep osprey]

BS doing top damage seems wild

[smoky garden]

do i messed execute usage?

[thick kelp]

Yeah more executes here buddy

[unique bridge]

He's the only dps in the AA first pull obviously

[sacred zodiac]

the real way to sim it is 28 targets 2 seconds

[smoky garden]

ty

[thick kelp]

somethingl ike this

[smoky garden]

i pressed only when i got SD

[sacred zodiac]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wDRdrcfNHSJxJx14VSG3bW third leg build has a leg to stand on

[daring pagoda]

Is there any way to tell from raidbots if you're getting crit or haste from reck pot?

[smoky garden]

16 MC

[tepid citrus]

Did you hang this on your fridge yet?

[thick kelp]

no

[tepid citrus]

Missed opportunity

[steep osprey]

how's warrior doing

[tepid citrus]

Depends who you ask tbh. Middle of pack though

[steep osprey]

As usual

[tepid citrus]

Always BB

[sacred zodiac]

open the html report and look at the buffs, it should? show different potions if it procs different stats

[daring pagoda]

ah great thanks

[sacred zodiac]

ive not found an html report that shows two pots tho so it might not be true

[daring pagoda]

the second one is the negative of the pot

[thick kelp]

it does show different potions if it happens to proc another stat

[vocal solar]

even on 2ct build shouldnt cleave pull ahead?

[thick kelp]

so if it only shows crit -> only procs crit

[vocal solar]

on ovrall break down?

[sacred zodiac]

ya ok

[thick kelp]

idk

test it out yourself

[sacred zodiac]

@thick kelp he linked a picture not a thing i can trivially copy paste madeg

[daring pagoda]

I think I just passed the threshold with nexus king neck today, was defnitely getting haste on alleria prog last night

[vocal solar]

i got this on a pit 10 i did cuz i never played slayer

but on sim cleave was alone by far

[thick kelp]

chatting

[tepid citrus]

What was your sim? How long? That makes a difference

[thick kelp]

sim isnt a dungeon

[vocal solar]

ye i know

[vocal solar]

just run a 5 targets 1 min

[thick kelp]

on aoe cleave will still be 40-50% of your dmg

[vocal solar]

to see the apl

i started midnight past week i got xp from prev expas but my last arms main was in df 3,7k

[sacred zodiac]

why is avg pot uptime in sims 27.2s on a 5 minute sim

[vocal solar]

so this is new to me

[tepid citrus]

Curious, did the tank funnel on Forgemaster?

[thick kelp]

Sims end after 5mins

[thick kelp]

no

[tepid citrus]

There is a lot of the exe dps lol

[sacred zodiac]

verifiably false

[thick kelp]

so sometimes it pops a 2nd pot cuz the sim time is 5:20

[tepid citrus]

beefy big ole boy

[short crescent]

Are people really holding pots until exe? Or just hoping fight goes long enough to double pot

[rose matrix]

Don't sim

just use bis list

[thick kelp]

Pot with lust

[sacred zodiac]

oh its an average of the buff length not buff length over sim time

[thick kelp]

yeah

average duration over the X iterations

you get 2nd pot in like a 3rd of iterations

[vocal solar]

question, do we still MS when 2x EP?

[thick kelp]

yeah during Cs

with the slayer build

[vocal solar]

cuz this was my forgemaster (no funnel) but other ppl breakdwn have exe on top

[vocal solar]

ow, only during cs?

for the extend thinkgy ig

[thick kelp]

yeah with the CT Slayer M+ build

only with that

[vocal solar]

raw exe > 2 ep ms sounds wild

nc

[thick kelp]

crazy they didnt buf MS

but like we are talking about

+-500 dps

of not pressign MS always with 2EP

so you can vibe it out

which ever breakdown you like more

[vocal solar]

ty ❤️ well ye its always better to do the optimal thinkg

i got so used to colossus during 1st week i couldnt help not pressing ms over exe

[thick kelp]

you can find the most optimal rotation here: https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/blob/midnight/ActionPriorityLists/default/warrior_arms.simc

[slow saddle]

I mean 20% ms when??!!!

[thick kelp]

takes abit to update

after changes but

[slow saddle]

Its all we need tbh

[thick kelp]

its there

eventually

[vocal solar]

ow apl link, nc ❤️

[slow saddle]

Then all the nerfs they did just b4 release have been changwd back🤣🤣🤣

[thick kelp]

never forget MS nerf because of our prepatch performance

that didnt get reverted

[slow saddle]

Keep in mind they nerf dw 33%

Coz it did 2 x dmg

[dim basalt]

got pit neck with avoidance gg

[thick kelp]

gg

[bronze pilot]

So has the slayer m+ talent build changed at all, anyone got an up to date link?

[short crescent]

Pins

[bronze pilot]

Danke

[thick kelp]

yes and no

scroll up for the build

[thick kelp]

or here

again

and again

[bronze pilot]

Legend thankyou

[thick kelp]

PM is flex point

put where u like

[dim basalt]

For some reason Slayer feels more dependant on sham than col

[sacred zodiac]

@thick kelp can you fix the pot apl line

if_expr:gcd.remains=0&debuff.colossus_smash.remains>8|target.time_to_die<25

pot lasts 30s chatting

[bronze pilot]

Ah we dont play mass exec?

[thick kelp]

you can

[dim basalt]

You can play mass exec instead of pm

[thick kelp]

cuz PM is flex point

[bronze pilot]

Ooo

[sacred zodiac]

do you even work on the apl or is that someone else

[thick kelp]

no

[rose matrix]

Can you get the 3.4k thing twice

[thick kelp]

me and fishy do

[rose matrix]

If you get there on an alt

[thick kelp]

most of the arms apl

[sacred zodiac]

its a one line fix dont make me ping fishy

[thick kelp]

I cant push changes

only archi can

[sacred zodiac]

grr

[bronze pilot]

Gotcha - PM is powerful momentum I understand

[thick kelp]

might be 25s on purpose ngl

[bronze pilot]

Realistically the different is negligible right - between the 2

[sacred zodiac]

why would you waste 5s of pot uptime

[thick kelp]

idk

[short crescent]

Pressing puzzle box for 2

[sacred zodiac]

@smoky kayak if you want to bother with this, it pots at 25s remaining fight time despite pot lasting 30s

gotta unsandbag that double digit dps

[thick kelp]

damn I already pinged him about in our super secret group chat

now hes gonna ban us

[sacred zodiac]

sucks to be orange

[thick kelp]

Happy to be brown

[sacred zodiac]

you could be brown that turns pink sometimes

not me though as streaming bench is a bit uninteresting

[dark onyx]

Hey guys, has the changes hit EU or is it still borked

[vast helm]

coming soon

[thick kelp]

Yeah once I play in a real WR guild

[sacred zodiac]

thinking you will get played in a real WR guild with our current warr dev

we are never seeing the light of day again

[thick kelp]

real

What if I just

mind control

the tanks to never play prot

[sacred zodiac]

maybe stay in your shit guild and be the main character

[thick kelp]

horrific

I am not even getting PI

so am i the main character really

[sacred zodiac]

tell your priest to become realistic immediately

time to bring the hosen build to a +10 key

[slow saddle]

Hopefully so

Coz then id wager we are pretty much where we wanna be no?

Exept more ragr

[thick kelp]

I would but

they dont pi me regardless

[latent moss]

in aoe im doing. sd>cleave>ms if 2x ep and cs up>op if low rage>exe>op>ms

[sacred zodiac]

find a new guild

[latent moss]

i DID not verify if that rota is optimal

im just doing it cause its funny to see exe top

st does crank tho

[thick kelp]

potential s2 idea

[latent moss]

go back to wr50 gng

ts wr1000 aint for you

[thick kelp]

too much work

[latent moss]

true

1 day 3hr a week

top 500

[thick kelp]

maybe i csn cruise in a Hof guild

[latent moss]

does this even exist

[sacred zodiac]

what abt st is it just raid rota

[thick kelp]

idk

[latent moss]

apply to tmys guild

[latent moss]

ye

[sacred zodiac]

what im doing p much

[latent moss]

u play the exact same talents

kinda

[thick kelp]

and raid 8h in weekend

[thick kelp]

whats your guild

[lofty breach]

Hey guys witch one is better [Umbral Plume] or [Algeth'ar Puzzle Box]?

[sacred zodiac]

are you taking my spot

[thick kelp]

I wouldnt

[latent moss]

he is washed dont w\orry

[thick kelp]

they wouldnt play an arms otp

on every boss

[sacred zodiac]

im not getting played

[latent moss]

hi not getting played

[thick kelp]

we could neither be played

how cool would that b

[latent moss]

s2

[sacred zodiac]

not very cool

[latent moss]

4 arms on last boss

im calling it

(they will not buff arms and it will fall off a cliff due to no tierset)

[thick kelp]

what hours do u play spongir

if its above 8 per week its not cruising

[sacred zodiac]

fake 2 day

like 2.3 or so

[thick kelp]

ok ok

[sacred zodiac]

im in mental apocalypse

[latent moss]

classic

we are a 2 day raiding guild (we are not)

[thick kelp]

we raid 8h(12h) per week

hmmge

[sacred zodiac]

we played mostly 8 per week last tier idk what happened this tier tho im just completely out of it

[thick kelp]

bench pov

dont even need to raid the extra hours

[reef glade]

3 day guild (already had 2 5 day weeks)

[thick kelp]

hi we are a 2 day guild but for the first 5 weeks of tier we day raid

[sacred zodiac]

surely youd still cleave > SD

[thick kelp]

Spongie do I take socket helm at 1/6 myth or 3/6 myth dragon belt and cata

[latent moss]

i mean its prob 2 sd>cleave>sd

[sacred zodiac]

ya

[sacred zodiac]

socket could be correct here idk

or reroll rather*

[thick kelp]

im rolling gaze, need like 0 dungeon items tho

i think with belt i get myth of the dawn

[sacred zodiac]

isnt it week 3 arent u guaranteed gaze

[thick kelp]

i rolled first 2 in pit

[sacred zodiac]

noob

[thick kelp]

for weapon + neck

[latent moss]

did u get them

[thick kelp]

well ofc

[latent moss]

i got wedding and chest...

[sacred zodiac]

i need weapon and helmet from pit this week

[latent moss]

chest useless..

[sacred zodiac]

👍

[thick kelp]

just loot them

[latent moss]

i need neck and weapon only i think

[sacred zodiac]

do i take 3/6m helmet from vault or socket (if i dont get helmet from pit)

[thick kelp]

sock

[latent moss]

🧦

hole i think

[sacred zodiac]

grr

[crimson dust]

In raid is better fury or arms in single target after buff?

[thick kelp]

idk

[latent moss]

ngl these rolls

[hushed patrol]

the weapon in pos is the last thing i will get with bonus roll

[latent moss]

kinda killed vault lowk

[sacred zodiac]

better system than vault probs

[latent moss]

ye it is

[olive nest]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3bSuid7MFpzZpCFHLB3J8f

[latent moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1501551648890159266/image.png?ex=69fc7c72&is=69fb2af2&hm=8f2e3b53834d9a2f8d2b4f0cfca51ab3c40f0f551f26b78c163a1b42908f9814&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898720803586048/1501545392075178056/image.png?ex=69fc769e&is=69fb251e&hm=ad517d1a0fba5a45baea285cf5c39df6d9f260ba84b21c47a34d8f3fdfd685c6&

[olive nest]

@calm hollow sent crests finally

[latent moss]

try in keys brewjj

https://klipy.com/gifs/one-peak-one-piece--k01KQYQHHS175A66P1P39XBK63T

[olive nest]

Bro hell yeah that build frozo was playing I tried in one key feels sick

[latent moss]

shaman mandatory im afraid

[olive nest]

Omega execute pump

[latent moss]

in aoe im doing 2sd>cleave>sd>ms if 2x ep and cs up>op if low rage>exe>op>ms

NO idea if this is right

just kinda balling it

[fresh spire]

(Not worth to ms if 2x ep only as a filler when op capped )(lore)

[olive nest]

Feelycraft works I do that too xdd

[latent moss]

get out

.5% increase

!!!!!!

[olive nest]

Next time I’m online I’ll try it out

[fresh spire]

Highest number I got on sims was cleave>execute(sd/no 2xep)>op>ms>slam

[olive nest]

2sd > cleave > sd > ms makes a lot of sense

I like that

[latent moss]

so u ms anyway with 2x ep or

or only with cs up

[fresh spire]

Nah just ignore ms

On St you use it

[olive nest]

Hmm

[fresh spire]

Lemme get sims

[olive nest]

Ms over slam surely

[fresh spire]

This is with current apl

With what I suggested above

Barely any dif but better prio

[untold mist]

U use MS on CS with 2x EP, otherwise u spam exec w OP + HS procc

[tranquil moth]

are talents tree updated on wowhead?

[fresh spire]

2xep Cs only on st

[tranquil moth]

for raid

[untold mist]

Correct

[olive nest]

🔥

150k ST to the prio add

[rancid robin]

Did i missread the updates-midnight chan or the buff we're supposed to have is not live ?

[latent moss]

live now

[sacred zodiac]

wdym with no 2xep

[rancid robin]

So the buff are live

nice

[latent moss]

2 ep stacks

[sacred zodiac]

so no 3 exes in a row or

[latent moss]

ion know

[jolly lily]

did Slayer M+ talents change?

[latent moss]

im confused too

[untold mist]

there are at least 3 variations yes

[latent moss]

maybe

[olive nest]

Executioners precision

[latent moss]

@jolly lily

refer to these 2 images

[jolly lily]

ty mate

[sacred zodiac]

CcEAjLzRlq54bI5v+r8Sr9Xw4jZmZmFzYmZGAAAghphxwMbLzMzMDzYmBAAAAwYZmB2CjltZzMLDLGGmZmpNamBbgZGGLDmtZ2GMzMzAgxwA

[untold mist]

u just want to make sure u follow the correct rotation otherwise u cook urself if u play like before

[latent moss]

need confirmation from fishy...

[olive nest]

#arms message
I think what he means is you execute there when the two conditions are not met

[latent moss]

ye but does that mean

u exe twice then op twice

[sacred zodiac]

i interpret it as an or operator

[latent moss]

then ms

or exe twice then ms then op twice

[olive nest]

Like execute if it’s an sd proc or if it’s NOT already 2x ep because you want to ms to spend the ep

That’s what that’s saying to my brain

[latent moss]

sounds kinda cooked icl

cause that means u would

2x exe 2x op then ms

[sacred zodiac]

gonna start killing krisp if he does not explain it!

[latent moss]

same

[sacred zodiac]

you are cyan in nature

[fresh spire]

Bro I'm working while trying to yap

[latent moss]

xdd

[olive nest]

LOL

[latent moss]

goat

[fresh spire]

Finish in 1 min ez gg

[latent moss]

[sacred zodiac]

ya its just |

[latent moss]

im just sending

ms on 2x ep cba

@fresh spire can u send apl i wanna try some stuff

no way ms isnt worth pressing over op with cs up

prolly isnt for overall damage

but for prio surelyy

[fresh spire]

|

[olive nest]

| is or correct?

[latent moss]

y

[olive nest]

Thought so 🤝

[latent moss]

& is and

[misty bridge]

crazy

[olive nest]

GLORPER

[fresh spire]

Underestimating just how much damage op does

Crits harder than executes still

[untold mist]

next patch we need a mortal strike buff 🍭

[tight basin]

Solarflare vs hungering both mythic, how huge is the differnce for dungeons?

[reef glade]

hungering is just better no

prolly not massive since they pmuch do the same thing but if u have both you just.. use the better one yeah

[maiden moon]

what's the best key to practic colo Arms ?

[ashen night]

pit imo

[tight basin]

I dont have both, i got solarflare but wondering if it's worth farming hungering

[unborn geode]

Is colo or slayer better?

[slow saddle]

Content

I playd 18s as slayer today

Did quite well, less overall dmg but a lot lot more boss dmg

[unborn geode]

Been gearing up and want to get into m+s soon

[dark onyx]

Has the changes hit EU yet or is it still borked?

[slow saddle]

So for avg pug slayer 100% the play

[unborn geode]

Any chance I could see your talent build?

Always open to try new builds

[slow saddle]

Its basic

[ashen night]

did u go bb/bl or ct?

[slow saddle]

Just same as b4, but remove battlelors and the 2 x bleed talent

Fpr massacre and ct

[ashen night]

was it with a sham?

[slow saddle]

With and without

[ashen night]

how was it without a sham?

[slow saddle]

Weel...😆

I mean in st

I tried 2 prio op bit more often

And i did starve once or twice

[rose matrix]

I just prio op if I am below like 80-90 rage

[slow saddle]

But overall ok

[ashen night]

i feel like going bl without sham and ct with..but idk

[slow saddle]

U go with ct?

U rly press op a lot more

[rose matrix]

I feel like if you aren't using op enough you just get rage starved bad

[proven veldt]

you can get into some cycles on AOE where it feels like you're never pressing MS

depending on procs and resets

[abstract sphinx]

whats the situation with arms slayer in ST focused dungs guys? worth it over COL ST build?

[rose matrix]

With shaman buff are you just sending Execute at >40 rage and sd? then prio op if lower?

[slow saddle]

I mean prob 60

Dependant if 1 or 2 op procs

I dno whats optimal but i do try to always have 1 chsrge spend

Ofc hs sd and such are proo

Prio

[wary bramble]

I use slayer for AA and sr

[hardy crown]

slayer is the best for high m+ rn?

[marsh thistle]

should I buy a voidcore or get a socket for gear 🤔

[olive nest]

The slayer build looks like it cranks

[red pond]

I have a question

[thick kelp]

to gamble or not to gamble

[red pond]

i got both weapon from pos and trinket from SR today in vault

what should i go for

[sacred zodiac]

idk cant tell ilvls of what you have equipped, depends on how many crests you have available, what your coining plans are etc

did you sim anything yet

[red pond]

weapon 285

trinket both hero max

[misty bridge]

I don't think he sims

[neon shale]

Are servers dead rn?

[tawdry sphinx]

maintenence

(again)

[wary bramble]

Yes there's a one hour maintenance

[red pond]

i have

but still

since next week we can upgrade crafting weapons and others to higher level

[sacred zodiac]

idk again none of us can give you a proper answer you gotta do the thinking bit yourself

we don't know what you've been coining or what you're planning on coining

whether youre planning on crafting away your weapon etc

if you want a stupid answer thats vaguely correct you can just click the weapon from vault and call it a day

[neon shale]

Gayyyy

[sacred zodiac]

good point didnt consider that

[olive nest]

Lmao

[umbral linden]

that's M.A.N transmog

sick

[neon shale]

Servers back

Not gay

[thick kelp]

Sim makes me upset

[sacred zodiac]

whar does this mean

[thick kelp]

hole helm

vs belt

from my vault

[olive nest]

Socket is big

Makes sense too if lacking crests

[sacred zodiac]

sockets are insane this tier

[jade falcon]

Is there a way for a sound to play when there's less than 4 seconds on rend? Some sort of addon maybe?

[ionic mica]

you can set a pandemic alert in cdm

[left shard]

would u guys go colo in nexus? or slayer?

+18

[umbral wagon]

I didn't realize cdm had audio alerts. Idk how I missed that. Ty

[ashen night]

man going slayer from col really fucks my brain..so much execute pressing

[smoky jungle]

Whoa, thank you for this... I feel like an idiot, ty too

[ionic mica]

yw! i dont know if it works flawlessly as i have sound alerts for sweeping strikes that occasionally just dont work

but should be fine

[umbral wagon]

Even if it works 80% of the time, its better than nothing

[proven veldt]

I was wondering if that was just me

my sweeping strike alert has like a 70% batting average

[lofty breach]

Guys so now with all buffs what is best to play on Tyrannical week?

Slayer or colossus

[cedar cairn]

Loving BL slayer on my pugs w/ the consistent damage

Trying to convince my friend to go shaman for SF

[jade falcon]

Tyvm

[old ermine]

doing less dmg with slayer build xD i got build from biz

[undone aurora]

Did the slayers buffs come in today EU or am I making things up

[old ermine]

today

[undone aurora]

Noice

[tepid citrus]

watching Pilav play Arms slayer vs random Fury slayer in this Nexus 12 is fun af. bets are on

[minor gust]

[little dune]

on an opener, is it better to wait and build up some stacks of colossal might first before sending cds to make sure i have a full 10 stack demolish?

[flint hedge]

Dumb Q but do you know how to make this sound louder. I need this shit screaming at me

https://klipy.com/gifs/ear-bleed-bleeding-1--k01KQYWZ656J80WAV2Z2YD761M9

[ionic mica]

not sure but probably sound effects in audio settings

my TTS for sweeping strikes is super loud, and also echoes in small rooms for some reason?

fun feature

[plucky bramble]

need thi too, i tried lowering other sounds and just keep effects up

[toxic night]

quick question since i dont recall ever really seeing it being mentioned, but in 2target scenarios with arms colossus, do you use the 3 times empowered cleave?

[plucky bramble]

but it didnt work

[ionic mica]

no you only cleave as filler over slam when you have 3 stacks of collateral damage

in 2t

[toxic night]

okay so i did use it correctly then

[proven veldt]

I would just pick a different sound effect

some are much louder than others

[raven lintel]

is it still colossus in M+ after buffs or slayer is fine too?

[flint cloud]

We are still quite behind in raid after the buff ..

[minor gust]

Can you send me apl too I wanna double check. Unless the one in the sim you sent a few days ago still good?

[limber light]

Anyone knows if build from icyveins are up to date ?

[wary nest]

is colossus still better for m+ or should i go slayer

[errant citrus]

Who's got a link to the newest Arms build?

[thorn stream]

That’s what wanted to try

[fresh spire]

I'm gonna be doing some more crafting when I log in a bit. Need to check target counts for stuff.

[minor gust]

Sweet send it whenever your finished cooking your x2CT massacre build owns shits fun af

[spice field]

Guys how are we using our sparks now?

[thorn stream]

Is that with opportunist?

[stuck yacht]

arms or fury better now for M+?

[elder path]

Ideally you want at least 4/5 stacks before you send which you can usually get if you are cognizant of which mobs your tank has good threat on while gathering

But once everything is gathered and your lust is popped you gotta just send what you have

If you know that the pack is one that takes a good while to gather you can pre pop SS and really build some stacks

But if you don’t know how to gauge when your tank has threat/know nothing about their kits then it’s not worth since dead dps = no dps

[low elk]

is arms attack sounds bugged for everone? all attacks sound like they are missing

[elder path]

On some races yes

[low elk]

great..

[elder path]

<— Male Orc player who is seething

I buy glamour and use toys n shit to change my model and it brings your SFX back lol

[dim basalt]

ah fuck

+12 as Slayer

are you proud @minor gust

[thick kelp]

@latent moss peak slayer

[minor gust]

I'm very proud at all this peak slayer posts

[latent moss]

peak

[dim basalt]

Slayer ST goes completely crazy with sham and aug

I was blasting 105k-110k ST

lol

[ionic mica]

ngl BL in execute feels like crack

[forest eagle]

Dafuq slayer

[minor gust]

What dungeon was this one xD

[dim basalt]

I really dont get how you manage to have exe above reap and bs tho

[wary nest]

ive finally prepared my warrior, should i be playing slayer or colossus for m+ now?

[dim basalt]

Im spamming exe like stupid and its still lower

[thick kelp]

Seat

[minor gust]

Doing a key higher than 12

[olive nest]

Play the prio that fish simmed

[dim basalt]

Fair enough

[olive nest]

Execute on top practically

[minor gust]

Huge my 17 seat only had exe at second highest.

[dim basalt]

Im too TWW-brained man

[tranquil moth]

Talents for slayer???

[dim basalt]

I loved this Gemellus fight on my +12 tho

Finished it with 290k

[reef prairie]

2nd boss seat is another banger

[copper swan]

hello guys, still not familiar with all the abreviations, in the update channel there's "EP", what is it ?

[dim basalt]

Executioners Precision

[copper swan]

ty

[dim basalt]

Now imagine if EP also had Cleave value

[gentle gyro]

Colossus, Slayer buffs were not enough

[olive nest]

🔥 🔥

[dim basalt]

I think Slayer is back on the table again tbh

At least for certain keys

Reap critting for 180k is ridiculous

[minor gust]

Every key fuck colo

[olive nest]

I think slayer doing 180k overall and 100k st on bosses is more than justifiable

Not to mention fun factor

[spice field]

Slayer is stronger in AA and SR but CS is still blasting aoe better imo

[sacred zodiac]

slayer was pretty fun ye

[dim basalt]

Need to wait for Crit and Biz to try it on their high keys

[umbral wagon]

Colossus has technically higher potential if the tank pulls around it for full value. Slayer is much more flexible. All depends on the group

[dim basalt]

oh Biz is already on it

[latent moss]

what build

[dim basalt]

Dunno I opened the stream too late

[thorn stream]

i cant find it

[olive nest]

What are we thinking for peak arms damages and also speed

[thorn stream]

maybe me blind today

[olive nest]

Still BRM/rdruid/Ele or something like that

[olive nest]

cleave>execute(sd / >2xep)>op>ms>slam

[dim basalt]

2x CT but hes still trying stuff

[candid pecan]

OMG buffed slayer in m+ is great

Just did a +14 Pit, no funnel on Garfrost? NO problem, did 100k ST

35% to 0% is fun now

[dim basalt]

ah Biz plays with BL though

[deft bluff]

aye gang, what's the best slayer build for keys?

[dim basalt]

Some here are playing this atm CcEAjLzRlq54bI5v+r8Sr9Xw4jZmZmFzYmZGAAAghphxwMbLzMzMjZGzMAAAAAGLzMwWYssNwCYAzwEyMYDMzwwgZbmtBYmBAjhB

Can drop PM for mass exec

[reef prairie]

I feel like massacre just has to be worth it

Play slayer to do more st anyway might as well commit a bit

[deft bluff]

and is slayer competetive in every key?

even POS

[dim basalt]

ngl I think dropping PM and flexing between OF and mass exec is better

But its just feelycraft

[deft bluff]

what is pm

[reef prairie]

Probably yea

[dim basalt]

powerful momentum

[deft bluff]

ah!

[reef prairie]

Pit and maisara are just incredibly juiced colossus keys though

[thick kelp]

Holy Magisters juice

[fresh spire]

[dim basalt]

what level?

[fresh spire]

no shaman feels rough in 35%

[thick kelp]

exe abit low

[civic sphinx]

what kinda talents is that

[thick kelp]

my talents

[dim basalt]

yeah its lowkey worse than as col

[deft bluff]

its just a 15 to test anyways

[reef prairie]

Yea youre completely fine to play slayer

[minor gust]

Need to get him on the CT train

[deft bluff]

just wanna feel out the changes

[dim basalt]

He plays both thats the thing

idk what he dropped for that

[minor gust]

Oh has he tried it yet?

[dim basalt]

Hes currently in in a +20 NPX playing 2x CT and blord

[civic sphinx]

no BL seems like it might feel really bad

[daring copper]

Hey all! I received a mythic track solar flare trinket. The tool tip shows it maxes out at 267 crit. But my champ track heart of ancient hunger gives 660 crit. Is the heart still better because of basically double + the crit? Or is it more complicated than that

[fresh spire]

might try bloodsurge>Powerful ngl

[minor gust]

??????

[fresh spire]

on aoe that rend might be a chad play

[minor gust]

CT and BLord you don't got the points for that

[dim basalt]

yeah idk what hes doing

Unless he lied to me about playing 2x CT rn

[reef prairie]

What would he have dropped for that

Even

[dark bane]

yo, so after the slayer buffs is slayer on even footing with colossus now or is colossus still better to run in m+?

[minor gust]

Maybe if you don't have a shaman but my rage was fine in aoe without shammy and surge

[reef prairie]

You can play whatever you like more

Both strong

[dark bane]

yeah i prefer slayers rotation abit more tbh

colossus always felt clunky

[dim basalt]

MW Massacre? Anything else is weird

[dark onyx]

Has the changes hit EU yet? I heard they didn't apply after reset this morning

[candid pecan]

yepp

[reef prairie]

Warrior is IN

[dim basalt]

[little dune]

ooh hadn't thought of the pre pop SS to get more stacks. that seems really useful

[gentle gyro]

Pushing 284 btw

[sacred raft]

^ my same experience at 281 lol

[tulip breach]

Happens

[dim basalt]

he lied to me about CT

[gentle gyro]

How to get out of the 3300 hell?

[minor gust]

Figured

[dim basalt]

but blord is way too expensive man

[sacred raft]

usually I alt F4

[dim basalt]

For how little it gains

[gentle gyro]

[undone aurora]

is there a new talent build we use for raid before I go to raid today lol

with the changes

[olive nest]

I’m 285 equip best in slot with 3329 io and people don’t invite me to 10s 11s or 12s They’re just stupid wcyd

[pulsar frost]

3300 isnt hard or bad

Just 15s

[reef prairie]

No change

[uneven minnow]

Does mechagnome beat out pandaren in 2nd tier we think?

or dwarf

[olive nest]

Human going to get better as tier progresses

[calm hollow]

@olive nest fuck yes, won the 33%

can spend 2 rolls on pit

[olive nest]

Let’s goo

Big Gz

[latent moss]

look at his rage

[sacred raft]

big W

[latent moss]

hoooly discord

didnt update

[olive nest]

I still have to do two seats for gloves but didn’t have time

[uneven minnow]

human 500 back of panda, 300 of dwarf/panda/tauren

[olive nest]

Low chance to hit

Probably like 1/8 iirc

Or 1/7

[pulsar frost]

Just rng it in vault ezpz

[olive nest]

I’ll get it eventually it’s my last possible upgrade

[calm hollow]

🙏

u will get it

[sacred raft]

Vaulted the Omission but want that Occlusion so bad

[olive nest]

Hero track -> myth track

[latent moss]

u dont have anything esle to roll?

wtf

🥄

[olive nest]

❤️

[olive nest]

Watch I’ll sim 1 sec

[pulsar frost]

I mean i dont either. I need cata boots and legs. Then its judt sockets

[latent moss]

man im so behind lowk

[pulsar frost]

I do need heart from raid but I cba to pug kt

[latent moss]

wedding ring mythic

have a myth cloak

need 289l egs at some point too

and belt but for now its fine

[fresh spire]

nice trinket tho

[pulsar frost]

Roll pit for weapon ez pz

[latent moss]

wait i can send 1 more upgrade on gaze

[pulsar frost]

I need heart man

[latent moss]

ye i rolled twice

got wedding ring

and chest

[left shard]

+1 wasted a lot of crests

early

[pulsar frost]

Bracers bad

[latent moss]

chest useless

[pulsar frost]

Fix bracer

[olive nest]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kBifuVdB6gewM8tEboXRy3

[sacred raft]

I also cannot get the Heart for the life of me. Then when I raid on DH multiple will drop and no one needs it.

[olive nest]

Possibly for Colo M+ I could find upgrades

Didn’t bother to check that I only sim for raid

[latent moss]

Your top two secondary stats are very close and you have Potion of Recklessness with a large secondary stat proc - this can cause surprising sim results! More Details

!!!!!!!!!

[olive nest]

They are 80 apart should be good no?

[latent moss]

idk

[olive nest]

Can I force the weapon enchant off on pull with expert mode?

[latent moss]

im just yapping

[reef prairie]

What do you actually want the reck pot to hit I've lowkey just been using lights potentials all xpac

Might be time to grow up

[latent moss]

reck pot is

[gentle gyro]

Yeah tell me about it

[latent moss]

quite better for me

[olive nest]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wGXgcqiSSe4JsBFN7W3fy5

Raid xddd

[olive nest]

Seat gloves take me home

[latent moss]

maybe magisters angle

and pray i get salhadaar neck

from a pug

[olive nest]

Play around with sim a little

Because I think there’s a higher number than the gear I have equipped

You just need 2+ item shift for stats maybe

Like how do you make alleria neck work

I gotta mess with that

[latent moss]

i dont think

you do

as arms

assuming u play eye of midnight iirc

[olive nest]

I don’t think you can as Colo ever

Need the crit

[latent moss]

but eye requires moving stats around

[olive nest]

maybe slayer

[latent moss]

need ppaw for these sims

@gaunt owl need u for these sims

augury neutral sim is coming back

[olive nest]

Thinking MT is the play ye if you can get neck from salad

[latent moss]

belt is only losing cause of arcano and hole i guess

not sure if 4 ilvl on belt make up for hole loss

[thick kelp]

woow

[olive nest]

[latent moss]

arms abuser

[thick kelp]

skyreach gamer

[latent moss]

no shaman?????

how is it

[thick kelp]

Honestly fine

[latent moss]

i lowk dont want to figure out

i assume ct helps a ton

[thick kelp]

just needed to be abit more aggressive on OP

[fresh spire]

@minor gust MS ep2 CS > op is dps loss

[minor gust]

That was my thoughts as well. I thought it'd be fine

[fresh spire]

testing some thing

[latent moss]

how is it on

prio dmg

[thick kelp]

holy

[deft osprey]

I see the raid ST build is supposed to take stance mastery, but most arms warriors on warcraftlogs are still taking barbaric training… which is the best?

[latent moss]

ms actually dead

holy shit

[olive nest]

Wow so you literally ms as filler

That’s fucked

Gg

[latent moss]

me when

2x ep

and it doesnt crit