arms

[minor gust]

they need to fix this rage issue for 12.1 its frustrating

[thick kelp]

Might try that in 6 years once we start reclearing spire again ( we are extending this week)

[minor gust]

🫡

are you in Lura prison now

[thick kelp]

Crown of the cosmos prison

retirement life

for this tier

[minor gust]

ah the other prison

[thick kelp]

But it got nuked so

[minor gust]

we had a .01% wipe on crown last week

[thick kelp]

Its gonna die in 2-3 nights

[minor gust]

so we kill this week with nerfs

[stable fiber]

I think we are rekilling Lura today

[thick kelp]

holy

[stable fiber]

Time to cleave

[minor gust]

you can beat your old parse with these buffs maybe

[stable fiber]

I think so

Majority of the damage is in execute

[minor gust]

20% exe/OP buffs for execute phase

op will hit hard too

[stable fiber]

Need to think

[pulsar frost]

Thinking bad zug zug

[jolly goblet]

we use executq in aoe?

[stable fiber]

It's just drop 1x bb for cleave and then switch the rage on bleeds to fob?

[pulsar frost]

Hid talking about lura boss fight

Not execute in aoe

[nova marsh]

I mean yes

For slayer

[thick kelp]

Surely

[stable fiber]

The talent left of dreadnaught is also a contender

[thick kelp]

mp?

[stable fiber]

Since Ms damage is ass anyways

Ye

[thick kelp]

one of the big ST nodes

can sim vs dropping BB but

bb is really really minor

[minor gust]

yeah MP is whats keeping MS alive

[nova marsh]

How the mighty have fallen

[pulsar frost]

Why does blizzard hate MS so much

What it do to them

[minor gust]

they dont

[nova marsh]

Ngl

[minor gust]

its just a revolving door when they do buffs

[pulsar frost]

It gets no love

[nova marsh]

Feel like blizzard just forgot to compensate for removing like all of MS's modifiers from MP

[pulsar frost]

What if like we just get buffs to all buttons so it feels good to click each button on cd

[nova marsh]

MP is a shadow of what it once was

[pulsar frost]

:D

[willow solar]

Do the recent buffs change the builds at all? 😄

[nova marsh]

Read updates. Mostly no

[oblique sparrow]

anyone able to answer these please 🙂 my guild has my swapping to warrior and just want to know if im doing the right thing

[warped owl]

Hold demolish for CS never other way around

[nova marsh]

NEVER hold cs.
Yes colo dosent want to press execute unless its sudden death vs slam for your next gcd

[warped owl]

You can send demo without cs if it’s longer than 10s on cd

[oblique sparrow]

ty both!

[nova marsh]

Slayer is different

Id look at wowhead prio for slayer

[warped owl]

Execute is only filler above slam if you have sudden death as colossus. You will quickly get rage starved otherwise

[midnight mural]

Finally getting out of bench prison this reset and am gonna be killing bird + L'ura. Arms still fucks right ? Dont wanna go fury unless its significantly better 😅

[sudden fox]

Play what you’re better at

Or enjoy more

[slow saddle]

what about something like this?

we do press OP a lot

removing execution sentence thingy for more op dmg ?

[minor gust]

not when cleave does a lot more dmg than op

[slow saddle]

it does increase ST though

and mass execution is last 20% other is last 35%

so a lot more presses of op in said window no ?

[minor gust]

then just sim the choice and pick what value you prefer. But I wouldnt care about OP too much because once mobs are sub 35% you arent really pressing OP anymore

pretty much just OP and exe

[pale agate]

guys, so how good is arms slayer rn ?

and how back in fury ??

[minor gust]

so that talent is only ST value

[slow saddle]

?

[minor gust]

arms slayer is good right now

[minor gust]

oops meant cleave exe

[slow saddle]

u are ? y i guess prio is

[pale agate]

has fury taken over arms yet ? in damage ?

[stable fiber]

Nah

[slow saddle]

sd>cleave > exe ?

<ms if 2 charges of ep

[rare kite]

i can see a few keys being fury keys now. most still arms tho

[pulsar frost]

He doesn't like to MS without smash

And 2 ep

[minor gust]

only MS with CS + x2EP

[viral fiber]

Do we always go with shaman

[slow saddle]

wait CS as well ?

[pulsar frost]

If you can find them

[slow saddle]

isnt that a even clearer statement for the 15% overpowering finish

[rare kite]

if you can yes. you will really feel the difference, especially if playing colossus

[slow saddle]

u dont get that many Cleaves off, in low health %

[minor gust]

and in aoe its just cleave > op > MS until prio target is at 35% and then you just Cleave > exe > fill op/rend

[pulsar frost]

Feels weird not clicking MS

[slow saddle]

rend is where

not rend brain fart

sd is prio 1 r?

Rly exe above OP evne in like 5 target scenario

?

[minor gust]

only if you are at x2 SD stacks

[slow saddle]

fackin buff dreadnaught brother ?

[minor gust]

x1 SD stack is just same prio as exe

[slow saddle]

tbh they could also rebuff oppertunist

should prob be rebuffed seeing they nerfed the hell outta dreadnaught

which again was kindda weird ( both at the same time )

[pulsar frost]

Are you ok mr gokke

[slow saddle]

i just want dreadnaught + op to rock in multitarget

im trying my best to justify it 😄

[pulsar frost]

I just rage gen on OP

[brittle light]

does this look right in a 18POS?

[minor gust]

Sweeping big executes helping to finish off prio targets. and fast CS CD

[pulsar frost]

All I ask for

[nova marsh]

Please sir grant us a log

[slow saddle]

trueth, im guessin theres a rage spot

[minor gust]

DN feels piss week so like at 5 targets hell yeah im press Exe with SS up

[slow saddle]

where u wanna OP

[nova marsh]

Reap goes crazy thou

[minor gust]

with a shaman you rarely will press OP

in aoe

[slow saddle]

yes so

[pulsar frost]

Idk about that its always second or third for me

[slow saddle]

i will not have one next grp 😄

[brisk sedge]

did fury get ahead in raids ? would you guys recommend arms or fury for last 3 bosses mythic

[brittle light]

im not sure if i was logging lol

[minor gust]

I need to test more keys without a shaman

[slow saddle]

i dont want to

[minor gust]

to determine if this build requires one or not

[slow saddle]

but grp is monk monk

[minor gust]

cuz no shaman might mean just go back to Blord

[pulsar frost]

It almost always does

[slow saddle]

then id rather die starved

[pulsar frost]

You get rage deprived

[minor gust]

idk I was hitting dummies without shaman buff of course, and it wasnt that often I starved

[pulsar frost]

Its as bad as col ST execute without shaman

[slow saddle]

also BUFF OUR rage regen blizzard !

[minor gust]

and I was hitting for awhile

[slow saddle]

no its not

u got critical thinkin

[pulsar frost]

Maybe im just not lucky with my exe crits then

[minor gust]

well yeah but still with x2CT no shammny you can rage starve

it will happen

[pulsar frost]

Majority of the keys I test i was rage deprived

Just op and ex spam leaves me auto attacking for rage in exe unless im just doing something weong

[slow saddle]

i mean u will need to charge weave

at times

its just the way of arms atm

[pulsar frost]

That's so lame man

[slow saddle]

oh ye 100% the fact that op doesnt give rage

or theres some kind of rage gain in execute phase

is stupid af

i do tend to prio op if im at like 60 rage though

so the choice between op // exe changes dependin on rage and stacks of op

[dreamy sandal]

Is there any way for us to track Battlelord?

[slow saddle]

also Free hs

[tranquil moth]

we buffed today?

[proper iron]

we slayer now in m plus?

[hybrid needle]

Very close now

[hasty pumice]

btw where do you see prio target damage in sims?

or rather how do you make that happen in custom

[empty sluice]

NA is, EU still waiting 😄

[proper iron]

really? aint eu buffs live?

[elder zealot]

No, because of time zones

[empty sluice]

buffs are not in

[elder zealot]

They're living in the past

[empty sluice]

tooltip is the same as yesterday even after reset

[elder zealot]

or are we in the future? 🤔

[rare kite]

they should be in, reset has happened. tho maybe that's what the random ass maintenance is later today

[empty sluice]

and yet they are not xD

it was the same for NA

[nova marsh]

Yeah

Funny the same bug happened twixe

[proper iron]

what bug?

[granite swift]

fml i been squinting at these dummies for the past 20mins

are they really not in?

[rare kite]

some changes are definetely live, as fury i proc reap with rampage

[empty sluice]

no, I have the same tooltip for reap as yesterday

same number

should be 30% higher xd

[proper iron]

so i can just go to bed?

[nova marsh]

Hotfixes for arms not applying post reset

[empty sluice]

yea go back in like 3h maybe

[nova marsh]

Yeah

[stable fiber]

Didn't this happen the .5 patch

Today was only numbers tuning, gameplay doesn't change much

[empty sluice]

yes it was in .5 patch

[rare kite]

oh yea you're right

ignore my

ass

[polar pike]

I don't see any maintenance post on bnet for eu

[granite swift]

was about to start a key but guess ill take a nap

[empty sluice]

dont do that to yourself 😄

[maiden apex]

ok so buffs arent in yet in EU. They adding an extra patch ?

[granite swift]

why would we go live without it when they hotfixed it into US ages ago, small indie company

[raw sapphire]

is there anywhere to hit single target dummies without hitting anything else accidently

[polar pike]

training dummy toys?

[rare kite]

idk this is on the wowhead bot. if buffs aren't live i would have assumed it was for eu

[stable fiber]

Not even the NA beta testing could save EU frogs

[maiden apex]

hah

[stable fiber]

Blizzard always wins

[maiden apex]

so its tonight at around 17:00 ST ?

[rare kite]

if it is on eu. idk post doesn't specify

[thick kelp]

Can you post some tooltips of things that changed

ex reap/slayer strik

[empty sluice]

i checked yesterday it was 33k on reap

[dreamy moss]

so is it just the arms changes that didn' t make it in or is fury screwed too?

[empty sluice]

still the same

[thick kelp]

ic ic

[thick kelp]

Most likely fury isnt in either

as thats what happened on NA

[dreamy moss]

sadge

[stable fiber]

Think it's just arms @dreamy moss

Or

[dreamy moss]

[robust cliff]

fury changes definitely in on EU

[thick kelp]

post reap tooltip

[empty sluice]

can someone from NA post screenshots maybe?

so we can compare I guess

[dreamy moss]

man, i woke up all happy i had no work and some juicy arms changes to try out. now i'm sat here crying in the shower instead QQ

[fresh spire]

Are you sure it's not in? Eu was like 24k yesterday

Eu yesterday reap number

No battleshout

[slow saddle]

why?

atm reap 32%

32k on mine ?

[fresh spire]

32k should be correct

[slow saddle]

no battle shout

[thick kelp]

Maybe they patched it yesterday already

[fresh spire]

Maybe

[stable fiber]

Readable screenshot

But i do see a 30

[slow saddle]

i mean if u arent blind

30106

[stable fiber]

Ancient texts surround the number

Threw me off

[slow saddle]

i am ancient

i did a 17 MT now and i will say boss dmg was quite nice

like really nice as slayer

overall looses a bit ofc, but tbh the monk and the warlock just killed all shitters so fast

that having a col war wouldda felt even wose

i was 2nd to the warlock on last boss and i had a death coz monk rolled into me with balls

[rare kite]

you better have an mmo mouse if not ms on 7 is criminal

[astral yarrow]

you know what they say about people with big hands

[robust cliff]

or do you mean that the increased damage isnt in or?

[rare kite]

they need big gloves?

[astral yarrow]

"MS is on 7" obviously

duh

[fresh spire]

Big socks

[astral yarrow]

i like big socks and i cannot lie

[dreamy moss]

"damn, you got some big hands"?

[late lantern]

holy shit this is ass

[stable fiber]

Gotta get started on your socket collection brotatochip

[rare kite]

not a bad fury weapon if you plan on playing that at all

[stable fiber]

Sockets are 550 dps which on avg is more then a bonus roll will get yoy

[hard rock]

What are people playing for Dragons and Paladins reclear today with all these changes??

[dull comet]

Hotfixes its not here in EU ?

[rare kite]

zero chance those change. still col

[stable fiber]

Thane fury on dragons is op again, colossus on paladins

(He asked in both channels)

[rare kite]

oh he asked in both channels. i assumed it was an arms only question

you right then

[elder zealot]

Is it because of orb padding on dragons though?

[stable fiber]

Yeah

[stable fiber]

Yes

[elder zealot]

Thane seems great for orb killing

I see, that's what I thought

[late lantern]

fair but i mainly play colo in m+

[hard rock]

Arms COl will have more boss damgage so ive been running that before today

[stable fiber]

Thane is probably just behind boomie at orb killing when you don't have a bdk

[hard rock]

orbs will die anyway

thank you chaps

[slow saddle]

brother ms is also on 1

dont worry just havent removed 7

[rare kite]

wtf is that 7 bind for then? some weird cancelmacro or just for fun

ahh

[slow saddle]

im not completely mad 😄

[north tinsel]

got Seat gloves in vault, are they worth it?

[rare kite]

only a lil bit mad. prerequisite to being danish

[keen siren]

GUYS HOW IS SLAYER FEELING RN

[slow saddle]

zach

[keen siren]

@minor gust

[slow saddle]

it eels great

[minor gust]

what he said

[keen siren]

That’s big dam

I need to run the new exe talents

[slow saddle]

im only in like 17-18s though

but it feels great when u do top boss dmg

or at least compete with warlocks

did 82k on last boss mgt with a death

imagine doing that as col 😄

[stable fiber]

Some people say losing battle lord is less fun

[slow saddle]

nah

[stable fiber]

I dont really understand it

But

[keen siren]

R u guys just spamming execute or u pressing ms when u get 2 stacks

[slow saddle]

only ms at 2 stacks in cs

if not u press OP a lot

and cleave in aoe

if i dont have shaman i press OP more ngl

no shaman is ofc annoying AF

[keen siren]

What about execute range

[rare kite]

battlelord just feels great imo. ms op ms op feels big nice

[stable fiber]

But its

[minor gust]

I can see it sure, but if the trade off is this fat execute playstyle im down

[stable fiber]

Worthless as slayer

I don't really get it icl

[slow saddle]

i mean i 100% agree

[stable fiber]

It does noting in aoe

[slow saddle]

i will not lie

[minor gust]

think its more so the reset gameplay feels good

[slow saddle]

but battlelord needs to be moved

[rare kite]

whether it's strong or not the resets just feel great

[slow saddle]

further up the tree

[keen siren]

In execute range do u just spam execute

And u don’t presss me

Ms

[stable fiber]

I much prefer the 3 gcd -> ms -> 3 gcd gameplay

[rare kite]

i love procs and battlelord is another proc. another shiny button for my brain

[stable fiber]

But

Things are objective

[rare kite]

you mean subjective?

[stable fiber]

Something like that

The one where people have opinions

I forgot

[minor gust]

you do this if you are playing the x2CT + massacre slayer build

[rare kite]

yea that is subjective. somehow opinions on jugg highrolling is subjective as well, would think it was objective but people can have horrible opinions...

[uneven stump]

where can i find talents ?

[astral yarrow]

"you are entitled to your opinion, but if its wrong, please dont share it with the class"

[stable fiber]

Jugg was bad until I experienced bladestorm rng on lura

[uneven stump]

or are the ones on wowhead still fine even though it hasn't been updated in 3 months almost

[stable fiber]

I much prefer jugg over the bladestorm rng

[rare kite]

two things can be bad at once

[rare kite]

[stable fiber]

Now imagine jugg and bs rng

Gulp

[rare kite]

nothing has changed talentwise. wowhead good

[turbid wing]

Does this mean execute is still not worth pressing in single target as colossus?

[hasty pumice]

yes

[stable fiber]

Yup

[uneven stump]

Alright and how is arms for ST now compared to before reset ?

does it feel better

[stable fiber]

Very good dps

[uneven stump]

nice

[stable fiber]

I do 100k on dungeon bosses

[uneven stump]

colossus for full AOE and slayer if i need more ST right ?

[stable fiber]

140k with funnel

[uneven stump]

or is slayer overall just best now ?

[minor gust]

Ehh TWW slayer had BS rng too just not as extreme so I still rather have this version over that jugg shit

[stable fiber]

Bs rng ruins gameplay cause of lining shit up

Jugg was just bad numbers

[minor gust]

all I know is I CBA keeping track of 3 different SD conditionals without a weakaura

soooooooooo

fuck jugg

[uneven stump]

jugg ?

[elder zealot]

Juggernaut, old TWW talent

[uneven stump]

what's it called now ?

or just a passive

[stable fiber]

Removed

[uneven stump]

ohh

[elder zealot]

nothing 😈

[stable fiber]

Non existent

[uneven stump]

then why is he crying about it ?

[stable fiber]

Because it sucked

Reminiscing on the past

[elder zealot]

It left some PTSD

[stable fiber]

And how it sucked

[uneven stump]

i didn't play arms much in tww

[stable fiber]

But it got me rank 1 mugzee so I can't complain

Talent owned for me

(It sucked)

[rare kite]

Big time

[uneven stump]

btw these would be better than hero seat gloves right ?

got them from vault today (was my only option as i didn't play much last week)

[elder zealot]

Yeah, almost certainly

[stable fiber]

Yes

[uneven stump]

im stuck with 214 shoulders

so i cant equip them yet

untill i get shoulders i can cata

[stable fiber]

Get some shoulders yo

[uneven stump]

because rn i got champ gloves that i used my last cata charge on to get 4 set

[elder zealot]

Keep sending rerolls at Pit of Saron, there are shoulders there, as well as many other bis pieces

[uneven stump]

believe it or not my wrists are even lower ilvl

tempted to craft wrists rn ngl

[stable fiber]

Might to time to go into the mines

[minor gust]

Dropping a full 15 stack Jugg right before boss hits 35%

[uneven stump]

what about dreamrift ?

[elder zealot]

Wrist/cloak are great crafts

[stable fiber]

And by mines I mean delves

[minor gust]

https://tenor.com/view/byuntear-skull-kms-gif-1200559089239851574

[elder zealot]

Oh, if you don't have myth Gaze yet, you can save rerolls for Dreamrift

[uneven stump]

i know but i kinda want the myth crests because i send the craft

[stable fiber]

Going into lust execute phase with 15 stack jugg >>>>

[minor gust]

Ohhh the highs and lows

[stable fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/minion-banan-water-gif-4374588345379655521

[uneven stump]

tbf idk when ill get into myth dreamrift, i only recently picked up my warrior again and i kinda need ilvl before i can join with my guild.

[stable fiber]

Delves are so op for alts

Seriously recommend

[uneven stump]

i despise delves

[stable fiber]

Spec prot, get healer alleria

[uneven stump]

and i dont have tier 9 yet

[stable fiber]

Chill

[uneven stump]

so cant get hero

[stable fiber]

Ok

Fake wow player

Not delvemaxxing

[uneven stump]

[minor gust]

What's the best one to spam I need to gear the dh

[stable fiber]

You dp

Do

8x bountifuls

[uneven stump]

isn't it grudge pit

[elder zealot]

Yeah, it kinda depends on which Bountifuls are up for the day

[uneven stump]

but at the same time

if you need it for gear you cant just spam one

[minor gust]

Ewww then I gotta farm keys tho

Gg

[stable fiber]

Do 8x bountiful, gives 2 hero track items and 9+ champ items

The vendor at the end sells a hero track item for the currency you get from doing bountifuls

And you have a chance to get hero track and champ track warbound pieces AFAIK

[astral yarrow]

my way of gearing alts is usually just tricking guildies into carrying my rats in keys

[stable fiber]

Oh also they are SOOO good for hero crests which are the hardest crests to get

[stable fiber]

See I wanted to try doing this, but I hate being a useless piggy in keys

[slow saddle]

Ok

i will not lie

[minor gust]

I should get the myth crest discount next week and I'm gonna slam a bunch of upgrades on my alt that I've been casually gearing/playing

[slow saddle]

i tried 18 skyreach

ye no shaman is freaking CURSED

[astral yarrow]

same, but i also hate doing delves more than being useless

im scarred from doing 4 chars at start of tww

[minor gust]

Send the log or overall if you got

[slow saddle]

nono we Tried

we failed

[stable fiber]

Delves are so overhated

I play classes with tank specs though

[minor gust]

That's fine still wanna see

[stable fiber]

You pull the whole delve

[astral yarrow]

i played 4 warriors xd

[stable fiber]

And it's chill

[astral yarrow]

i just think its dogshit content where nothing you do matters and you still win

[stable fiber]

I remember the delve trinket in season 2 that was just bis

The whole season for me

[slow saddle]

overall looks ok so far

[astral yarrow]

the energy drink one banged

[stable fiber]

Because by the time I got jastor diamond the bosses died too fast for it to even be good

[astral yarrow]

never got it at a useable track though

[slow saddle]

we whiped on 3rd boss

[stable fiber]

Mechano core amplifier>>>>>

Actually goated

[astral yarrow]

oh yea

[slow saddle]

i was doing like

[astral yarrow]

that season had a bunch of decent delve trinkets if you hit the vault

[slow saddle]

88k on first boss

[stable fiber]

I got that thing week 1 on hero and literally never unequipped it

[slow saddle]

82.5k on 2nd boss i had to dstance a bit

[stable fiber]

Crazy

[minor gust]

That's still good and you are still keeping up. No shammy might have some bad moments but looks still very playable

[slow saddle]

yeah

the numbers are not bad

[stable fiber]

There was 3 delve trinkets that owned that season

[slow saddle]

u

do need to weave a bit more, get lucky with op procs

[buoyant cargo]

Queing now for my last bonus roll in pit. Got every loot possible so far except 2h. So the moment has finally come😎

[slow saddle]

and also i tended to OP a bit earlier rage wise

[stable fiber]

Some delve trinkets are actually decent right now, the drums are pretty good for most specs if you dont have raid trinkets yet

[uneven stump]

btw when i switch to deffensive stance for a mechanic do i stay in deff a bit after the mechanic or swap to battle asap

[stable fiber]

Swap back to battle stance

[slow saddle]

i Swap a FUCKIN SAP

[minor gust]

Yeah no when I was hitting dummies I was heavy focused on efficient op usage. Have to play like that with no shammy

[slow saddle]

y so when i starved it was due to tactician

but fuckin ass atm

[minor gust]

But in aoe tho with no shammy I was still able to spam cleave executes

[slow saddle]

like how can it not just be garanteed with executes

like olden days

[minor gust]

So really just st problem

[white canopy]

Is there any reason not to go thane all the time now?

[astral yarrow]

cant go thane as arms

[elder zealot]

Ask in #fury

[stable fiber]

Personally arms more fun

Both are close though

[white canopy]

@stable fiber I agree

[dim basalt]

In good groups Arms will still be better Im sure

[white canopy]

I am all in arms atm, but the changes make me kinda sadge

[misty yew]

I'm playing Colossus in M+ is this still the best pick?

[stable fiber]

But still think arms beats fury in everything except like the pad bosses in raid

[slow saddle]

@minor gust i really think that Slayer is a way better time

in pugs

[misty yew]

And have the buffs gone through for execute

[white canopy]

I mean thane sims higher than colo on aoe

[slow saddle]

or keys where u can funnel

like idc bout OVERALL. coz ofc u loose overall dmg

i want good boss dmg

[stable fiber]

Aka chim, averzian, fallen king and dragons

[fair tinsel]

ngl seems almost like a recraft fury angle (happily, I'd add.)

[minor gust]

Slayer owns spread the gospel

[fair tinsel]

Missed not caring about positionals

[white canopy]

@fair tinsel Thats what I am thinking aswell

[maiden apex]

my issue is that colo is sonly far superior imo if u have a good group that pulls add into funnel on boss. in pugs i think slayer is just easier in some keys and at lower keys also

[minor gust]

Free people from playing colo

[slow saddle]

@minor gust i mean for 99% of ppl its better id say

[stable fiber]

Spec oversims and also the multitarget sim does not tell the full story

[fair tinsel]

Fury slayer feels nice in key too

[slow saddle]

u execute prio target

[fair tinsel]

the rng is cringe, but is what it is

[misty yew]

Nah the add damage in Colossus is pretty unbeatable, so many pulls this tier are mass AoE something Slayer can't keep up with

[white canopy]

@stable fiber To be fair, if they are even remotely close. Thanes singletarget is like 30k stronger.,

[slow saddle]

but again

how do u measure

[fair tinsel]

That's the one thing that has me not recrafting yet

[slow saddle]

that

[minor gust]

Slayer keeps up now

[balmy kindle]

Like Colo has on demand aoe damage which is what I kinda like

[slow saddle]

in Overall dmg ? which is pretty useless

[minor gust]

[fair tinsel]

is the fact that maybe colo still blasts compared to fury in keys

[slow saddle]

for a grp to finish keys. killin shitters isnt rly a prio

[fair tinsel]

and has funnel

[slow saddle]

y but slarms also has good funnel

and more st

and u get to spin

[stable fiber]

I mean yeah but funnel does exist and slayer arms is almost just as good as Colo on aoe imo

[fair tinsel]

Just ass that you need the tank to pull around you as colo

[stable fiber]

While easily having the most st

[white canopy]

@stable fiber That "almost" is like "almost" 100k difference in sims.

[fair tinsel]

So it's more a question of slayer arms vs thane fury, tbh

[stable fiber]

Stop looking at the sims

[maiden apex]

@stable fiber do we change any talents now with changes in your opinion for m+? or moslty the same

[stable fiber]

My god

[viral fiber]

So we playing slayer now?

[stable fiber]

That shit is crazy bait

[slow saddle]

i mean sims matter ofc

[astral yarrow]

sims arent necessarily representative of reality

[balmy kindle]

Sims can be deceiving

[slow saddle]

BUT Overall dmg

matters little

if u sim anythin i would sim funnel numbers

[white canopy]

I would say slayer arms damage profile is the best for m+

[stable fiber]

Colossus is the same, slayer changes a bit

[slow saddle]

as in 2t -3t dmg to 1t

[slim zenith]

Any YouTube video recommend to learn warrior rotasjon now that I ding 90 yesterday got myth wep from sky and from 198 to 256 in a few min am overall not sure about the rotasjon

[fair tinsel]

Seeing people migrate away from colo some, but colo prob still good if you have a 5 stack

[astral yarrow]

5 min 5 target might look good, but in reality 3 of the 5 targets die within 20 seconds lol

[fair tinsel]

to pull shit to funnel

[slow saddle]

bizentein

[candid garden]

Maisara caverns hidden tip keep 2-3 of those ressing skeledudes around for the whole dung. Makes for good logs

[slow saddle]

y this is so often an issue

[viral fiber]

No I am solo pugger

[slow saddle]

yeah GL with that

[fair tinsel]

Slayer probably

[viral fiber]

They just curious orcslayer better now

[candid garden]

They basically do nothing

[slow saddle]

i think like there will be slayer dungeons mainly ( might be thane instead ) and ollosus

[maiden apex]

oh, what changes?

[slow saddle]

ye the GL is ppl not hammin em

with something at some point 😄

a random needed stun

[candid garden]

Ah good point guess its rough if pugging

[fair tinsel]

Yea I think it's recraft time

I can always bonus roll spam pit for a 2h

for arms

[white canopy]

I mean, I am doing 19-20 colo keys. I think it might be colo/slayer depending on whats needed. But then again looking at sims thane fury seems more stable and no more funnel needed.

[viral fiber]

You going fury?

[stable fiber]

Drop battelord and 2x bloodborne for 2x critical thinking and massacre, change to opportunist.

[fair tinsel]

yea thane

[maiden apex]

ty

[viral fiber]

So fury > arms

[slow saddle]

i still think theres a point where u can remove mass execution

and put it into OP

[fair tinsel]

I went colo to flee from thane circling the drain

[candid garden]

Low ST of colo arms is a big turn off for me, still think its the way to play but feels limiting in the higher keys

[fair tinsel]

this tuning kinda makes it feel playable

even if it's just 6%ish

[slow saddle]

depends what is higher keys?

[fair tinsel]

or w/e

[slow saddle]

im doing 18s as slayer

feels fine

like i loose in Overall vs just collosus

[candid garden]

Slayer is better ST

[slow saddle]

but i do way more boss dmg

[white canopy]

PoS is like colo dream if you know how to funnel

[candid garden]

So it should feel good

[slow saddle]

i mean POS will forever be a COL key Ofc

like

[viral fiber]

So colossus is inferior only good in pos

[candid garden]

Its just limiting in terms of comp and stuff

Have to compensate the low ST of colo arms

[minor gust]

Next POS you do a gargoyle will pick you up mid demolish

[stable fiber]

HAHAHAHAH

This

[slow saddle]

m8 im pugger

[stable fiber]

Happened to me 4 times

[slow saddle]

slayer is better

i tried asking for funnel

i swear

[minor gust]

[slow saddle]

tank just went ?_?

[candid garden]

Doesnt demolish immune it? O.o

Or did i smoke crack

[viral fiber]

Slayer needs funnel or colo

[balmy kindle]

Colo because fOB

[viral fiber]

Why ask for funnel on slayer then

[balmy kindle]

3T = life is good

[candid garden]

Even 2T is big

[dim basalt]

Thats about how much I did as col on that boss

With a sham tho

[white canopy]

Literally demolish ignores mechanics. Random gargoyle just picks up godwarrior

[minor gust]

#fuckcolo

Loses to a gargoyle

[deft bluff]

Gargs.. can pick you up during colo????

No

It cant be so

Please

[candid garden]

The amount of times i press demo and go oh shit mechanic underneath me and pop dbts + sr

[minor gust]

Gargoyle can't pick you up while spinning!

[viral fiber]

You die better than move during demolish

[deft bluff]

Imagien fi we could move
During colo

[onyx rapids]

just heard slayer arms is doing 100k dps boss damage in mythic plus

[balmy kindle]

High roll maybe yea

[minor gust]

It can do 100k

Not consistently

[deft bluff]

Is arms actually the go to for pugs

Slayer***

[slow saddle]

yes

or well prob actually Thane fury

but if u wanna arms

[viral fiber]

Why not colossus for pugs

Overall cant be No1?

[deft bluff]

I believe Colo is the best for m+, just most difficult to pull off atm?

[viral fiber]

Dont care about ST as long as I am top dps end of dungeon

[tranquil moth]

Colo good AoE but bad ST

[balmy kindle]

It's actually quite easy but the main con is bad boss dmg

Like you will be lucky to have 60k kind of dmg

[stable fiber]

Feel like if you know how to play both slayer is harder cause Colo can kinda just rapid fire cds now

No thinking

[balmy kindle]

Slayer is also at mercy of sudden death procs, low roll too many and you will feel weak

[dim basalt]

Col does like 75k ST if youre not going in entirely empty

[stable fiber]

Yeah idk my coloarms does aight st

[balmy kindle]

Man colossal might always fades in RP

[dim basalt]

Thats very few dungeons where it happens

[onyx rapids]

well ill try slayer arms tomorrow or just wait for critcake/ biz video

i dont have fury gear so.. have no choice but arms atm

[solemn helm]

skyreach a col or slayer build u guys think?

[astral yarrow]

its so confusing to me how people think you cant play a spec just because stats arent optimal?

[minor gust]

[balmy kindle]

Both can work

[solemn helm]

thanks man

[slow saddle]

i rly feel slayer in gen has a big adv

[balmy kindle]

My pet peeve with slayer is that even in 16-17s where I am doing now, while the boss dmg is certainly better, low rolling in packs don't feel too good

It's also possible to low roll into boss pulls too

[pastel whale]

youd be surprised how close fury and arms gear is right now

[rose matrix]

Yep. I'm having a hard time seeing myself swap to Slarms when MT Fury is right there

[wide apex]

in the single target dungeons where you want more prio dmg I can see why you'd play slayer arms

just need to give it a spin

[rose matrix]

Yea but Thane is clearing Slarms badly tbh

And quite a bit dependent on Shaman too

[pale agate]

question for my colossus mains, how is colossus feeling after the changes ??

do u feel stronger, the same ??

[rose matrix]

Same with a bit more st

[pale agate]

yeah, kinda nice

[wide apex]

need some more data on that no? sims don't really tell you

[rose matrix]

I mean I can just go hit the dummies and that tells

That's also with my gear being favored to Arms by a good bit

[robust cliff]

yeah thane is on par w colossus now at least for M+

so you can just play whatever u prefer

[rose matrix]

Thane in ST is waaaay better

[wide apex]

yeah thats fair

[rose matrix]

Obvisouly 5 target it is clearing Slarms as well

But I think it gets a bit worse at 8target too

[robust cliff]

yeah it does

[soft peak]

I wont change my gear, crit haste for fury tho

[robust cliff]

reap doesnt proc enough

[wide apex]

I'm just thinking that you don't get the value from doing more prio target dmg on dummies

[robust cliff]

they need to up it to 25% or even 30

[rose matrix]

I don't think the prio is worth the amount you lose in aoe/st tbh

However, if you have a resto sham or something you can go slarms for fun

[wide apex]

yeah st is kinda comparable to prio in a way

[robust cliff]

no slarms is still v much behind colossus

[wide apex]

save some seconds on prio mobs vs bosses

[robust cliff]

I mean if u can get funnel legit no reason to play slarms still

[rose matrix]

I don't think you understand how much better Thane is performing rn over Slarms tho

It's basically gapping it in both damage profiles but less prio

[wide apex]

yeah ill just try out a bunch of stuff see wassup

[slow saddle]

small gripe

why the ducking DUCK

cant i health pot in bladestorm

[frigid zealot]

Guys, now slayer in m+?

Who tested this

[rose matrix]

Can you swing a sword and drink a pot at the same time?

[teal pollen]

Crit Haste for Arms, Haste Mastery for fury. Without having proper fury stat focused gear, is it still worthwhile going Thane Fury then Yung?

[echo marten]

I did and I'm having fun 🙂

[slow saddle]

i mean i get the point

but nor can i swing an axe

[rose matrix]

I'm joking

[slow saddle]

and drink a pot

[rose matrix]

It would be nice qol

[slow saddle]

like bladestorm locking u out of dps pot is fair

but healthpot i mean seems like unfair vs others i dno

[slow saddle]

mby its more when spinnin the centrifugal effect makes it impossible for the health potion to go into mouth

that would make more sense

we simply spin 2 well

[rose matrix]

Probably lol

Try drink a bottle of watter while just running

Imagine spinning like that and drinking a pot

[umbral linden]

went to check new tuning numbers, saw arms low, saddened a bit
then i remembered that there are too few runs

literally one parsed destro xd

[slow saddle]

yeah my point is that the liquid wont go out of bottle

its physics

[rose matrix]

Yea it'll all just stay at the bottom

[slow saddle]

unfortunate

[vast helm]

Arms doomed?

[river tapir]

after the buffs, is arms better on belron mythic aswell? archi did a rank 1 today with arms

[dim basalt]

Hasnt it been the better spec on that boss anyway?

Even before buffs?

[river tapir]

well most top logs are with fury before 6th, i think arms was better for the egg so technically it was better for progress but not overall.

[onyx rapids]

now that i did not know.
will try sims
thanks for the heads up!

[misty yew]

OP damage on top

[umbral linden]

anyone got new slayer m+ tals?
saw them yesterday here

[misty yew]

aren;t they the same on wowhead

what would be different

[dense oriole]

Where do u see those, can u send link?

[umbral linden]

https://mythicstats.com/dps

[dense oriole]

Goat ty

[umbral linden]

btw was looking for these

gonna try it out

[dawn shale]

guys is this trinket worth it ?

mark of light

[night niche]

It's best to always sim

[fair gust]

Sim it - but i dont think so

[dawn shale]

or should i take the neck

[slow saddle]

no u take coin

and u roll in a bis dungeon thats what u do 😄

theres no way in hell u arent just spendin bonus rolls in POS for bis loot 😄

[dawn shale]

oki

[night niche]

The best answer you can get is to just sim and then you will know what will give you the best outcome

[slow saddle]

not rly though

not unless u also sim dungeons

at m+10 vault loot

again depending where u are with trinkets and such ofc

but in gen u roll bonus rolls in first chimera mythic + voracious mythic then pos

[night niche]

Still if you are unsure it's easier to sim

[slow saddle]

if u dont have acces to chim + vora

just roll in pos

theres a so much great haste - crit

[gentle gyro]

WS is good too

[dawn shale]

i have these 2 trinkets

[hushed patrol]

prism also

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7Z5tGdiau7K9FFsJfqXRyg (col m+ spec)

[viral fiber]

You never sim you go for bis list on icy veins

Or murlok.io

[hushed patrol]

well i had prism in vault week 1 i didnt target it

[zenith warren]

you guys taking bonus roll or a socket?

[viral fiber]

Bonus roll and go for list item

[dim basalt]

is thsi bait

[viral fiber]

If it not on list just skip it

[granite night]

whats EP kekdog

[hushed patrol]

no he just target crooked hook from bloodmallet ya know

[dim basalt]

[hushed patrol]

NEVA SIM

[viral fiber]

The lists are there for a reason we simming ourself is bait

[dim basalt]

Stop spreading misinformation

lmfao

[rose matrix]

I agree with him

Delete sims

[viral fiber]

Send us your gear screenshot then. We wearing what guide says or at least aiming for it 99% of the time

[rose matrix]

keep bis lists

[silent wave]

slayer works for keys again or ?

[dim basalt]

These bis lists only exist because casuals dont know how to sim and keep asking for them

[wintry dome]

delete sims, bring back endlessly arguing over gear based on vibes

[dim basalt]

Otherwise they would literally not be there

Every theorycrafter hates to set them up

Because theyre useless

Thinking otherwise just proves you have no idea how gearing works

[rose matrix]

Bout to jump into a MT Colossus

With no Resto

Going to be brutal on that last guy

[hushed patrol]

gl

[dim basalt]

gl chief

[viral fiber]

Bis lists are already simmed hundreds of time

[dim basalt]

I refuse to believe youre not a troll

[rose matrix]

This is satire right

[dim basalt]

ngl

[latent moss]

🪤

classic

[dim basalt]

🪤

[hushed patrol]

i like cheese

[latent moss]

bro i got

2nd gaze

what the helly

[viral fiber]

How would they make this list if not for sim random choices?

Run droptimizer and get same result

[rose matrix]

In case you're not joking

[dim basalt]

🪤

[rose matrix]

That list requires you to have all those items for it to be BiS

Which never happens

[latent moss]

it happens!!!!!

[rose matrix]

So you sim yourself to see what fits your set up

[viral fiber]

Tell me 1 item you cant pick this season

[rose matrix]

yo mama

[viral fiber]

3/9M is joke

Which is enough for list

[latent moss]

eye of midnight

[stoic siren]

"Arms Slayer just uses Mortal Strike with 2 EP in execute now in single target builds, or 2 EP & CS in AoE builds., can anyone explain this? Weren't we supposed to do this even before, use MS only with 2 stacks of EP?

[latent moss]

lura 2h

[dim basalt]

Im still disappointed in the lura 2h

[latent moss]

not really

[dim basalt]

Special name but looks ass

[wintry dome]

during execute yeah, I think, iirc

[stoic siren]

yea im only talking about execute

comment is implying it was different before?

[viral fiber]

Well still I refuse to believe even without them sim would never pick that trinket he is asking for

[stoic siren]

or maybe its something else im not getting

[viral fiber]

That why voidcore is better choice

[latent moss]

tbh i been playing the rota wrong all patch and got some 99s in mythic pugs on my first kills

but idk

[dim basalt]

Same Im too used to TWW

[latent moss]

u were supposed to do

ms on cd if cs is up

[stoic siren]

OHH wow ok yea i was NOT doing that

lmao

[sacred zodiac]

nah youd press ms to proc your tier set i assume you just skip that now

[latent moss]

blizz helping us out

with the deep wounds bug

[dim basalt]

[stoic siren]

that actually makes a lot of sense

[latent moss]

actions.slayer_execute+=/mortal_strike,if=buff.executioners_precision.stack=2&(talent.martial_prowess|!talent.martial_prowess&debuff.colossus_smash.up)|debuff.colossus_smash.up&talent.battlelord

[dim basalt]

I finally sim 100k now

As much as 260 uhdk

gg

[stoic siren]

so what now even with CS window, we do 2 EP?

then MS

in single target

[latent moss]

wait this line does not say that

nvm it does

ye with 2x ep u send ms

[stoic siren]

even in CS window now?

[latent moss]

yes

[hasty pumice]

mr colossus arms warrior2 I think it's time to move on to fury thane

[stoic siren]

like the fury stave is no joke, i really don't think any dev is playing arms or else he would see how bad it is

[hasty pumice]

my group plays assa rogue

[latent moss]

use ms if ep has 2 stacks and u have martial prowess or u dont have martial prowess but u have colossus smash or cs up and u have blord

[wintry scroll]

so what would you guys recommand me to do after I used all my rerolls on Dreamrift but i received every item on the loot table other than the alseer

[hasty pumice]

double funnel enjoyer is eh

[latent moss]

crash out

[dim basalt]

Tell your rogue to go outlaw

[wintry scroll]

also keep in mind all the items i received were duplicates i didn't need

[latent moss]

might be

[sacred zodiac]

L + bozo

did you loot spec prot

[wintry scroll]

I was thinking of killing myself in game from the top of a mountain spire but i'm open to recommandation

[wintry scroll]

i only realized that today

[sacred zodiac]

vaguely deserved L

[wintry scroll]

but i was optimistic

[latent moss]

L

[sacred zodiac]

can't win them all

[wintry scroll]

that out of 2 items i would get the trinket

but nooooo

[wintry dome]

you need therapy (pet battles)

[wintry scroll]

blizzard decided i'll get the boots instead

[hasty pumice]

imagine getting extra loot for free

chance based

and you get grrrr

it happens, it's chance

[wintry scroll]

imagine not seeing the trinket drop normally after 6 weeks

what chance

[hasty pumice]

sometimes you win sometimes you lose

[latent moss]

i finally get to bonus roll

a dungeon

hoooooly

[wintry scroll]

i think blizzard loot banned me

[hasty pumice]

you get it next week guaranteed

[latent moss]

i couldnt take bonus roll

[wintry scroll]

that's why im mad

[latent moss]

cause i havent done enough content

xdddddd

took fuckass cloak

[hasty pumice]

that you get an insane trinket guaranteed?

[wintry dome]

it's not gonna drop for the rest of the phase, except 1 time when you have to skip a raid

[latent moss]

same

actually i saw it on my 2nd roll kill

but i rolled it anyway

[thick hamlet]

does arms rotation change now? specifically on ST

[wintry scroll]

no because what's the point then

[wintry dome]

all guides are updated

[wintry scroll]

it's like gambling 200000000 dollars and then u break even

[latent moss]

@minor gust

why not

drop mass exec

for powerful

[slow saddle]

hmm so

from doing 17s

[sacred zodiac]

mass execution my beloved

[slow saddle]

i solidly get full use of mass exec

[latent moss]

like this

[slow saddle]

ngl

[slow saddle]

hear me out take the OP part instead

the 15% more op dmb sub 35% 😄

go full meme

[latent moss]

idk i heard u spam exe

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148898720803586048/1501465944831033394/image.png?ex=69fc2ca1&is=69fadb21&hm=3f61d06dbdfe9692e81ad00aaacc6f99183d2d60c423859bab251357bfdc801c&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

and do this

[slow saddle]

was a 17 caverns

[sacred zodiac]

where is colossus arms warrior57

[latent moss]

ion know

become colossus arms warrior57

spoingus

[sacred zodiac]

no

i need more spongie colours tbh

[rugged cobalt]

Any links to current m+ slayer arms build guys?

[sacred zodiac]

@dawn stag go do something my minion.

[fresh spire]

Blue

[dawn stag]

Slayer is crazy good right now

You just build left to right

[sacred zodiac]

Yessss!!!!

[sacred zodiac]

sip

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/339461745682939904/1489669174232875118/1748847728502585a.gif

@latent moss @fresh spire where does the 8k sim diff come from
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/p24dBDjKNiVeT6Lw7J9bGA
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eFG6NnAnecTamD6Y4sAsZg

cant be latest vs nightly or

[fresh spire]

Never use nightly as its old stuff

[oak flame]

as slayer did the rotation changed ?

[fresh spire]

Use latest always

[oak flame]

cause it appears that MS is kinda trash compared to op and execute

[sacred zodiac]

@daring flicker is just a simming noob then

[latent moss]

wtf st

[fresh spire]

Rotation is same other than in keys on St you only ms in execute when Cs up other wise op/execute spam

[wide apex]

Wthelly

[fresh spire]

Bro woke up and chose death

[ashen night]

guys i need some advice.. the Robot says hero heart of Wind is better than myth krokuls Banner, except on ST... what do for m+

[fresh spire]

Winds for sure

Stat>damage trinkets rn

[drifting apex]

So slayer for m+ high keys is the must have ? Colossus too weak in ST?

[rugged cobalt]

So Biz is currently playing a slayer build, saying to not press mortal strike? What's going on there? In keys, I just spam cleave OP and execute?

[fresh spire]

Both are viable

[fresh spire]

More or less

Ms when no cleave op or execute on aoe

[rugged cobalt]

with something like this?=

[latent moss]

oh

xd

st part 2

[thick kelp]

Move finishing and mp to bloodletting and mssacre

[left shard]

what about in aoe?

[thick kelp]

woow

111 st

[slow saddle]

id wish we could skip bloodletting

but keep in mind we got loads of Dw up

so its never the play 😄

[daring flicker]

I am noob

[slow saddle]

Whats the Dstance macro again ?

the one where u switch

[fresh spire]

Wounds too op

[slow saddle]

between both

[floral tide]

Is there one for interpose and intervene?

[slow saddle]

Ngl i have been bad at dstance

went into a 18 Magister

y im not living those bleeds if i dont pre dstance on cast

[latent moss]

st part 3

only a 10

so

[hardy crown]

did we change something in rotation?

we spam more exe?

[latent moss]

im spamming exe

and im playing wrong

no fierce followthrough

and ms>op in aoe cause im dumb

and forgot

[thick kelp]

hooly

[latent moss]

u definitely

need skyfury for this

but this is

100% the go to slayer

imo

140k st happened cause first boss magisters so amp phase in exe

and my shit just crit perma

250k ms

[rose matrix]

Just had a 19 MT bricked

Because the tank missed the soak

twice

not once but twice

[latent moss]

xdd

[stoic siren]

i thought tanks aren't supposed to get that soak

[latent moss]

they can do everything

[rose matrix]

And he missed the adds after 2nd boss so I just got meleed and killed

Somehow these guys are making it to 19s

[sharp sequoia]

How did you find yourself in AOE?

[latent moss]

idk i did 185k overall in a dungeon where shit insta dies

and im playing slayer