Yeah
#arms
minor gust
rose matrix
Yea
minor gust
Only MS if you have both
wary spindle
I could be wrong but from what I've seen when the gear is similar and the level of play also is similar it comes down to personnal preference, I don't think it matters that much unless its very high keys, but again both specs have players at 4k io so
rose matrix
With the execute m+ build wouldn't you just send with 2ep stacks?
minor gust
This is if you don't have MP talented so In raid you still play normal exe prio
minor gust
With the execute m+ build wouldn't you just send with 2ep stacks?
With full exe talents and no MP it's better to spam exe and only MS with CS and 2Xep
wary spindle
what are you reffering to when you say CS?
fervent cedar
Colossus smash
wary spindle
ah okay thank you
lost grove
this is my breakdown of the same boss, just gave this build a try for the first time
languid torrent
why isnt mine showing
minor gust
We start belo prog this week
smoky kayak
he's so easy now, damage wise
minor gust
That's hype
smoky kayak
We start belo prog this week
Use this macro and press it whenever birds spawn - it will always and only taunt the first bird spawn (doesn't matter if its light or void /cast [@boss2,harm,exists] Taunt
have someone else use the same macro but change boss2 to boss3 and it will always and only taunt the second bird spawn
lost grove
<a:LETSGOOO:770741530805796874>
I dont feel comfortable about rotation prio yet, do you have the dmg breakdown of the whole dung?
smoky kayak
you'll still want ranged interrupts/dk grips, but it will help keep the birds in melee and on you, so you can keep them grouped
they don't do any real damage
rose matrix
With full exe talents and no MP it's better to spam exe and only MS with CS and ...
Good to know, thanks.
minor gust
I dont feel comfortable about rotation prio yet, do you have the dmg breakdown o...
Keep scrolling up I posted it for that key
minor gust
you'll still want ranged interrupts/dk grips, but it will help keep the birds in...
If I can tank em let's go xD
smoky kayak
you can, they do no actual melee dam
minor gust
Huge
smoky kayak
just have two melee dps responsible for taunting them in and keeping them together and you'll get way better cleave - it's also easier if the tanks aren't trying to taunt them and holding them in front of the boss (cause you don't wanna dance around the cone)
using that macro, you'll never have to worry about taunting the boss or which color you have/which bird you taunt
it doesn't matter what order they spawn in or which you taunt, you can swapt target to interrupt however you like, you'll just always taunt one and the other person will always taunt the other
solemn helm
would u say pit of saron is a slayer or collo mythic dungeon?
smoky kayak
Colossus for sure
lost grove
I see, this is mine kinda similar i guess its not that far off
minor gust
I see, this is mine kinda similar i guess its not that far off
I coulda had some insane SD procs or you weren't pressing exe enough in aoe but still thats the breakdown I've usually been seeing in these keys
onyx rapids
are we going to slayer arms for mythic plus?! or you guys just testing?!
finite wasp
probably for some of the keys
umbral wagon
both are close enough to play what you want in m+
how the tank pulls packs honestly matters more than anything else when choosing between the two
vast helm
can heroic might track now?
elder sandal
did the update change anything major for mythic raids? any boss with a new best spec/talent?
mystic summit
slayer fuckin pumps
fringe leaf
slayer fuckin pumps
just wait until biz comes online shortly and owns with colo again
pulsar frost
<a:LETSGOOO:770741530805796874>
ive played one after buffs, feels ok, i dont like how rage starved i am and that op doesnt reset MS in ST
mystic summit
biz will own with a wooden stick so what
minor gust
ive played one after buffs, feels ok, i dont like how rage starved i am and that...
requires a shaman
fringe leaf
yeah honestly slayer fury feels really good atm
minor gust
I need to do more no shaman key testing
fringe leaf
nox owning on it atm saying MT for more aoe pad dps and slayer for more boss/prio
minor gust
but likely just play normal blord slayer build if u dont have a shaman
fringe leaf
kinda nice situation we in honestly
pulsar frost
look at that execute dmg in this 17 npx
you have rng and shaman
its not the shame or fair
minor gust
pulsar frost
the one time i decide to try slayer fury a shaman shows up
hybrid needle
look at that execute dmg in this 17 npx
Im looking at the lock damage instead
Youre already boosting 17s? Das crazy
rose matrix
The amount of Demo Warlocks that do ass damage is insane
pliant lantern
where can i see which builds to use on each boss?
hybrid needle
The amount of Demo Warlocks that do ass damage is insane
Its the same with devourer.
Dont invite metaspeccs and youre gucci 
rose matrix
It's funny because both are pretty braindead
scenic nest
started a secondary to pick up a tank so our mythic+ group has some variation so we can all play different stuff. After the buffs is fury the move now for raid/mythic+ or are they more equal now?
hybrid needle
Well, i have to admit that warlock HAS to count minions and shit to actually deal huge damage, but even if you dont its still better than most yes
brazen plover
@minor gust have you done AA yet? first pull my damage was underwhelming with cleave/op spam into cleave/exe spam with that build. i could have not been doing it optimally tho
blissful tinsel
Probably claw it back over the rest of the dungeon though?
Keen to try AA as thane fury vs slarms
brazen plover
i've always like than fury in AA but i could be copin
the rest of the dungeon besides the giga pull at the start i was slapping for sure
minor gust
omg I just trolled and forgot to swap to prot before bonus rolling Chim
GG
got the onther trinket
languid torrent
GG
left talon
Surely they will buff it one day
hybrid needle
Bears give me depression cause they do more aoe burst than me
slate harbor
look at that execute dmg in this 17 npx
are u running regular wowhead talents? or can u share yours? i will try arms slayer now
stoic oyster
anyone grouped with one yet?
my push group's tank is a feral and we been pushing 16s last week.. they pretty good
guardian*
wind hatch
is bear just better than brew now
no
stoic oyster
has anyone tried this in m+?
echo tendon
its terrible
minor gust
are u running regular wowhead talents? or can u share yours? i will try arms sla...
been running this all day, but just stick with the wowhead build for now I have a feeling this is a shaman requirement build
still need to do testing
pulsar frost
been running this all day, but just stick with the wowhead build for now I have ...
very rage
vast helm
Ursoc is reborn confirm.
pulsar frost
and rng
vast helm
bear meta
minor gust
@stable fiber I think ima try this on Mythic dragons tonight slayer
stable fiber
<@232249410103279616> I think ima try this on Mythic dragons tonight slayer
i had same idea
minor gust
have CC cleaves for non BS orb sets
pray for some rts procs
probably no collat for powerful sweep
minor gust
its tough cant consistently get a lot of fobs off
minor gust
kk
stable fiber
crushing should be better on 2t, then on 3t i assume barb is either closer or better
minor gust
crushing should be better on 2t, then on 3t i assume barb is either closer or be...
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ghfH4U1qxUJEkqvAXLqKxw 2T
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hYCSq7PGYZ4wLXurArGZLM 3T
dire hinge
is so fucking cruel
i am getting a genuine chuckle at "not locked in -> 16"
ie: "Did you lock in" (no)
minor gust
barb less on 2T xD
stable fiber
interesting
minor gust
I mean 3
hollow wave
L
stable fiber
barb training then
i did not think barb > crushing ngl
its probably like that on st as well
minor gust
no the sims have barb worse on both 2t and 3t
languid torrent
i am getting a genuine chuckle at "not locked in -> 16"
ie: "Did you lock in" (n...
i played SO bad lolol
i was not locked in
dire hinge
itttt happppens
stable fiber
no the sims have barb worse on both 2t and 3t
barb is the left talent yo
aka slam damage
crushing force is the right talent
aka mortal strike damage
minor gust
brain fart
languid torrent
itttt happppens
i rank 14 imperator into 16 parse lightbound
languid torrent
true highs and lows
minor gust
now I gotta check it on st lol
nova marsh
please
And well were at it
Can we stop randomly nerfing ms for no reason im not letting it go even if it was undone early
Guys would i be considered insane for saying i kinda miss df arms
rancid willow
Tried arms slayer in AA…hated it. I just can’t stand the spec. The skills make it Essentially feels like Warrior never progressed beyond shadowlands.
Def ST improvements though
nova marsh
Tried arms slayer in AA…hated it. I just can’t stand the spec. The skills make i...
We haven't progressed since vanilla arguably
rancid willow
Ha
rancid willow
At least demolish feels fun
rancid willow
Bladestorm is the lamest spell we’ve ever had
minor gust
barb only 100 dps worse then crushing
alright about to do dragons. Thought I had a R1 saladbar kill but I was fooled by filthy Augs
stable fiber
gg
rancid willow
Sorry I’m bitter
minor gust
pray ur tanks keep boss near orbs
nova marsh
Bladestorm is the lamest spell we’ve ever had
Ehhh im bitter towards warr too
upper sparrow
Bladestorm is the lamest spell we’ve ever had
nova marsh
Dunno about bs being lame thou
stable fiber
Bladestorm is the lamest spell we’ve ever had
its not the lamest but its pretty not cool right now
rancid willow
It’s underwhelming to press
rancid willow
Demolish I feel like I’m doing something major when i line it up
nova marsh
Remeber when we almost got a tier set to buff the shit out of it and it was still bad 
upper sparrow
It’s underwhelming to press
needs new sound effects
sacred raft
Demolish I feel like I’m doing something major when i line it up
wish all the hits would cleave, would feel even more amazing lol
rancid willow
I always saw it as a mega AOE ability
stable fiber
they sweep
nova marsh
wish all the hits would cleave, would feel even more amazing lol
Tbh at that point just make demo a single slam
honestly plz
stable fiber
THAT was the worst ability we ever had
spammable button vs 90 second cooldown
nova marsh
spammable button vs 90 second cooldown
At least bs is worth pressing
stable fiber
barely
didnt fury take avatar over bladestorm as slayer
for a couple of weeks
xdd
minor gust
only took BS to get buffed by like 40% for it to be good
nova marsh
Bs for arms honestly feels best its been to me
minor gust
think its gotten 2 20% buffs since launch
stable fiber
last too long
sacred raft
1 min baseline BS would feel amazing too
stable fiber
would make our burst nasty
minor gust
last too long
you think I hold or send first BS. Im thinking send on pull and either rng the giga SD procs to get it back for first set or just use it for 2nd set
1st orb set usually gets insta deleted
nova marsh
you think I hold or send first BS. Im thinking send on pull and either rng the g...
I think banking on second set isnt a bad idea
minor gust
so im think dont bother with BS on that one
nova marsh
Would u have ava back up for that too
nova marsh
stable fiber
@minor gust this is a crazy gap
slayer arms btw
5k boss dps gap
the boss damage is nasty asf
sudden owl
thank god archi got the r1 on belo today so i dont feel guilty for not playing fury
pulsar frost
slayer kinda not bad
heavy pewter
slayer kinda not bad
For both raid and m+ you're seeing, or one specifically?
nova marsh
Hey guys dumb question
If u could play any version of arms rn in current xpack which one u going
gentle gyro
happy vault day
steep walrus
<@404826388701380608> this is a crazy gap
What boss is that? Sorry if im missing it
stable fiber
all bosses in terrace
pulsar frost
For both raid and m+ you're seeing, or one specifically?
talking aobut keys currently
with the new buffs
tho like i need a decent key, all the tanks and groups has been ass today with the limited keys ive plkayed
nova vessel
Any new builds out??
hexed saddle
nothing ever changes
quiet bramble
leaden garnet
I'm a complete bungus-head and I got haste/mastery instead of haste/crit on my crafted cloak. How expensive is it to recraft it for haste/crit?
(This is my first season dealing with modern WoW gearing)
nova marsh
I'm a complete bungus-head and I got haste/mastery instead of haste/crit on my c...
Not very
leaden garnet
Does it still cost sparks?
pulsar frost
can click recraft and see
nova marsh
no
pulsar frost
no
leaden garnet
Solid, thanks
cosmic shale
anybody have any successful slayer runs in M+
I sent slayer in a PoS +13
Did okay but prolly woulda done way more as colo
quiet bramble
deez mfs cant be fr, can't even let me play peacefully on my day off
rose matrix
Even in the normal Slayer build we still only sending MS in execute when we have CS and 2 stacks of EP
slow saddle
Ofc?
rose matrix
If you have Battelord you'd send during CS right
minor gust
@stable fiber https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Kj36gxGFdVnt4aN2?fight=last&type=damage-done Alright I coulda played better
but there slayer on dragons
it has the potential
I think you got this
minor gust
I fucked up in the later part of the fight also late grips from dks but prob was a benefit as slayer
steep walrus
Is there somewhere that says which key for which build?
nova marsh
Is there somewhere that says which key for which build?
I think the only keys where you'd really want slayer is AA and skyreach
steep walrus
Sorry whats aa
dark minnow
nova marsh
Sorry whats aa
Algathar academy
minor gust
ah yes the buffs have been live for just NA for 11 hours a concrete conensus must have been made
steep walrus
Algathar academy
Ty
gentle gyro
Are slayer buffs live?
stable fiber
Are slayer buffs live?
yes
viral fiber
Go2 we need result
west obsidian
reef glade
with mastery flask and haste pot btw
reef glade
because im a fat fucking chud and forgot to swap flask back after dabbling with salhadaar fury
stable fiber
Critical thinking 2/2 or Blooborne with Battlelord for m+?
i do 2 critical thinking
better boss damage
good prio damage
battlelord bad talent imo
bait talent now that ms doesnt reap
gentle gyro
Massacre or Powerful momentum?
minor gust
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/MKjGdxtmckA3TzaC?fight=21&type=damage-done&...
holy yeah I fucked up too at the end also was doing normal exe prio instead of the new one like a dumbass muscle memory fucked me
stable fiber
Massacre or Powerful momentum?
massacre
reef glade
idk if i was even doing any new prio was just hittin those buttons
not like ur even allowed to 2 exe blank ms more than once every 30 seconds anyway
minor gust
idk if i was even doing any new prio was just hittin those buttons
oh u didnt do same build yeah u got more boss dmg talents
reef glade
cringe low rage fuckin spec
slow saddle
Slayer could use another talent or 2 tbh
reef glade
give reck to cs or blow up
minor gust
give reck to cs or blow up
I tried this for dragons xD
slow saddle
No col dmg
reef glade
yea i wanted to try somethin like that for colo but losing battlelord which seemed like i had to do it made me just not want to
reef glade
and ive accepted i will simply never hit adds for more than 1 cleave per set in my raid
slow saddle
But u took the 20% more cleave dmg
minor gust
yeah colo without blord is cringe and bad
reef glade
so just gave up on colo/adds and slayer felt cool
gentle gyro
Opportunist now better than Fierce Followthrough?
minor gust
Opportunist now better than Fierce Followthrough?
for M+ slayer not for raid
slow saddle
so just gave up on colo/adds and slayer felt cool
Mby even not play cleave talents full st with powerfull?
pulsar frost
i think im playing ST kinda wrong
when we get to exe are we just spamming exe then MS?
slow saddle
We only killed dragons 1 time
reef glade
guild also deciding to not reclear paladins anymore so might as well blow it off smoove
slow saddle
And i died there...
rose matrix
Is it even worth to run the Slayer m+ build that still uses blord?
reef glade
never allowed to get fury weapon
slow saddle
No
slow saddle
Is it even worth to run the Slayer m+ build that still uses blord?
I dont c a world where we particularly wanna press m
S
minor gust
never allowed to get fury weapon
lmao look at your BS dmg and look at mine goes to show guild difference lmao
rose matrix
I dont c a world where we particularly wanna press m
Yea you basically ignore it now even in aoe as Slayer
Kinda weird but execute pumping is fun
slow saddle
In aoe thats fine
In st hmm
Its used on cd until execute
..
And only reason its not in exe. I mean rage issues galore
Also execute should prolong cs
rose matrix
Imagine the numbers if execute extended CS right now
I think I'll probably just run Thane in place on Slarms tho
dense skiff
in execute I dont even use MS unless im in CS now right?
rose matrix
CS and 2 stack of EP
dense skiff
dang, MS gets no love
minor gust
in execute I dont even use MS unless im in CS now right?
only if you do not have the talent martial prowess
abstract sphinx
Is the rotation prio getting switched up for slayer new build now?
rain cipher
Is there any point to continue playing Colossus Arms in keys instead of switching to Thane Fury?
Higher multi target and also strong in single target!
grim oasis
much better prio
rain cipher
much better prio
I see.. which other classes are strong in prio?
grim oasis
idk why talk about other classes
nova marsh
Is there any point to continue playing Colossus Arms in keys instead of switchin...
I mean both are good rn
I'd say play what u like
pulsar frost
@minor gust when in exe phase do you just like spam exe twice then MS?
pulsar frost
I mean both are good rn
how you liking slayer arms sir
minor gust
only pressing MS with CS + x2EP stacks
nova marsh
I will probs try it on friday
pulsar frost
only pressing MS with CS + x2EP stacks
whats ep again
nova marsh
Cuz I'm being a heretic and taking a break rn. Friend needs a key thou
dense skiff
executioner precision
pulsar frost
ah
that sounds wack tho
so its just exe and op spam
till you have cs then 1 MS?
id like to think im doing this correctly
minor gust
yese exe op spam and when CS is up weave in MS on cd you can think of it like that
pulsar frost
yese exe op spam and when CS is up weave in MS on cd you can think of it like th...
reading that pains my rage bar sir
dense skiff
the pain gives more rage dont worry
pulsar frost
WTB shaman cheap pls
molten roost
Is slayer back for dungeons or what?
minor gust
If you hate colo
nova marsh
Slayer back af
dense skiff
If you hate colo
who could hate whap whap wham button though
cedar cairn
love colo but hate boss fights with it
rain cipher
Slayer back af
Slayer fury is much better than slayer arms in keys. This is how I read it from the update channel.
thick hamlet
do our builds change in any way\
nova marsh
Slayer fury is much better than slayer arms in keys. This is how I read it from ...
That's not how I read the sims at all
or any of the posts atm
lunar idol
what are your choices gentleman for Slayer Keys ?
pulsar frost
colo's ST is part of why I'd rather just GG go next till season 2
are you ok sir, personally ive been enjoying this season
nova marsh
are you ok sir, personally ive been enjoying this season
I do like this season
To a degree
Like I think this dungeon rota actually slaps
...The classes are a massive pain point for me
pulsar frost
I do like this season
oh ye btw our slayer enjoyers buidl really has me afking waiting for rage for Exe and MS
lol
pulsar frost
16s not that bad
gilded kraken
in those very sims you posted slayer fury is simming 60k higher than slayer arms in aoe and 5k more st, thats pretty enormous
pulsar frost
why burnt out bro
gilded kraken
its a lot better than arms rn
nova marsh
I did for many years actually
glass plank
same one trick warrior since i started wow lol
nova marsh
But I decided I wanted a change for midnight
nova marsh
Honestly
viral fiber
Why we go night elf over dwarf
nova marsh
Might just one trick warrior
minor gust
oh ye btw our slayer enjoyers buidl really has me afking waiting for rage for E...
Just run the normal Blord build if you dont have shaman
nova marsh
Why we go night elf over dwarf
because shadowmeld is better then bleed removal usually
viral fiber
Its not only bleed removal
heady shale
What's the best place to snipe for a 2h myth weapon with the bonus roll?
granite swift
But I decided I wanted a change for midnight
I’ve tried this for many expansions or seasons. We always come back home not long into the season
gilded kraken
because this season meld offers a lot more value
rain cipher
in those very sims you posted slayer fury is simming 60k higher than slayer arms...
True. Slayer Arms has no place in keys!
nova marsh
in those very sims you posted slayer fury is simming 60k higher than slayer arms...
I apologize
I can't read this ngl
granite swift
What's the best place to snipe for a 2h myth weapon with the bonus roll?
Pit of saron if you aren’t farming paladins on myth
nova marsh
Pit of saron if you aren’t farming paladins on myth
Tbh still pit even if you are
smoky kayak
despite being crit, pit weapon is still good for Fury once you get into the highest gear sets too, so it's easy spec swapping
just because you end up with so much haste/mastery that you want some crit anyway
nova marsh
Yeah
thick hamlet
are the new fury AoE sims using rampaging ruin?
nova marsh
Our ST is kinda fucked
smoky kayak
but a 20% disparity between hero talents
for what?
gilded kraken
col and slayer arms in aoe
viral fiber
So slayer is good now or just average?
gilded kraken
i dont feel like any 2 hero talents should have a difference as big as 20% in any real world where blizz cares about balance
balmy kindle
Our ST is kinda fucked
Still bad now? 
smoky kayak
col and slayer arms in aoe
I mean it's not really 30% though, right? You gotta remember that real content isn't sustaining constant uptime against 5 or 8 or however many targets from start to finish
smoky kayak
are the new fury AoE sims using rampaging ruin?
no, Ruin is hypothetically very strong but pretty limited in application; easy to lose as much as you gain
so most playres just don't bother to use it
gilded kraken
in decent keys with how much devourer is seen and how much it benefits from never dropping combat it can get close to constant tbh
nova marsh
Still bad now? <:monkahmm:1382590600439664751>
should've just said colo's is
gilded kraken
even if devourer didnt exist, thats just a tangent tbh
gilded kraken
yeah it doesnt tbh its just a side note xd
nova marsh
tanks rarely want to drop combat even without devourer
gentle gyro
Slayer still feels miles behind in m+ damn
smoky kayak
in decent keys with how much devourer is seen and how much it benefits from neve...
its not that you aren't constantly in combat, so much as the targets are constantly dying, you're moving from one pack to another, you're not actually hitting a constant 8 targets all the time
viral fiber
Slayer still feels miles behind in m+ damn
Isnt that good?
grim oasis
feral was simming far and away the strongest st spec by miles during early expac launch
look how that panned out
gilded kraken
yeah but we aren't in early expac anymore are we
tame perch
To me just not doing tank damage on bosses is a huge + in general. That small ST buff for already decent arms was the right move
grim oasis
yeah but we aren't in early expac anymore are we
do u understand the point im making
gilded kraken
no because there is none
calm hollow
holy bonus roll angle, wtf is this m+ loot
grim oasis
great
smoky kayak
fwiw, Archon has Colossus and Slayer ~20% apart, though that's also somewhat subject to bias since more top pushers play Colossus it's naturally going to have higher results
and with this week's buffs, that gap should close a little more
nova marsh
yeah but we aren't in early expac anymore are we
The point is that sims are depective and do not accurately potrary a specs strength
gilded kraken
yes but they're a very very solid starting point
nova marsh
Not disagreeing ther
gilded kraken
yes you can bring funnel to every single boss and you can make arms be pretty much as close to meta as arms as been since df
nova marsh
And I'm not disagreeing that colo needs actual ST
But I think dooming too much over sims is kinda silly.
smoky kayak
it might, but you need strengths and weaknesses too - if Colossus is just as high ST and higher MT than Slayer... why ever play Slayer?
gilded kraken
in the perfect world they'd be close enough to where you play what you prefer
smoky kayak
personally, I think both heroes are in a pretty solid state atm
gilded kraken
or maybe col has more funnel but slayer has more raw st
but they'd still compete realistically
nova marsh
it might, but you need strengths and weaknesses too - if Colossus is just as hig...
I do agree and I don't think colo should do that
But I also have to say that this feels like less like a weakness and more like getting shot in the knee in ST
gilded kraken
they are kinda but once you play around colossus even slightly it fucking skyrockets
ideally it wouldnt matter nearly as much as it does but it is what it is
maybe in the last titan part 69 we get some proper attention innit 
smoky kayak
tbh I also kind of like that Colossus is the stronger multitarget build right now, since timing and landing Demolish is a bit harder than Bladestorm
nova marsh
In a way, colo needs to be stronger to justify it's existence
smoky kayak
I wouldn't want it to create a colossal gap, but it should be a little rewarding
gilded kraken
I don't mind col being stronger in mt scenarios, I mind it being so much stronger
gilded kraken
In a way, colo needs to be stronger to justify it's existence
that's a failure in design then
same as that stupid ass "hard classes should always be stronger" argument to me
nova marsh
...
smoky kayak
I guess it depends on what you consider "so much" because the practical numbers don't really make it seem that far ahead atm
nova marsh
Is that really a bad argument?
gilded kraken
it is
nova marsh
Genuine question
smoky kayak
same as that stupid ass "hard classes should always be stronger" argument to me
I think there are degrees to this
gilded kraken
ok then everyone plays tww sub rogue and nothing else matters
because you like outlaw? xd
gilded kraken
from a pure perfomance angle you're not even playing a game at that point
maiden fern
Are we playing arms or fury now?
gilded kraken
why play anything thats not devourer/uh/aug then
things being balanced is what gives you at least a semblance of a choice innit
nova marsh
I mean yeah
gilded kraken
according to your tastes and such
nova marsh
This season's balance is fucked
balmy kindle
I just want Colo to Je playable in H raid like tww S3
gilded kraken
it's been much worse tbf i'm just ranting because it's been 4 seasons and slayer got to be good for like
balmy kindle
A 3-5% diff
gilded kraken
1 week in s1
and 1 season as fury bc of tier set
but slayer arms was good for like 2 weeks and got gutted
im fucking sick of demolish idk xd
arms without bladestorm isnt arms to me
stoic oriole
just did a ws 17, slayer is fun man, pressing execute is fun
dusk lake
It is unbalanced. Starting from the fact that this season is blizzard’s opportunity to let their newborn child shine (DDH), everything else takes a toll from there
nova marsh
Honestly
I'm still shocked Devourer got nerfed
UDK I can get
But man that felt so random
dusk lake
Really? Why?
stable mountain
ddh was giga strong
nova marsh
Because they're taking the same approach they did with aug
"New spec means it has to be meta"
nova marsh
Granted, I think aug did get nerfed
nova marsh
In DF S2
dusk lake
Hmm yeah
gilded kraken
were you there in df s2 tho
because aug wasnt just meta
it was legit an abomination
nova marsh
yes I know
dusk lake
I was not personally
balmy kindle
I was there
gilded kraken
nowhere near what devourer is rn
balmy kindle
Aug was legit feel io
stoic oriole
No healers aug meta was fun
gilded kraken
yeah it was fucking hilarious to witness
nova marsh
Aug was genuinely the most overpowered spec wow has ever seen arguably
Even more broken like launch wrath dk
gilded kraken
barring shit like
dusk lake
Lmao
balmy kindle
In pug groups dps slot became just 2 slots
gilded kraken
sometimes hitting defensives and spending 90% of their time on notevenclose checking if theyd get oneshot
nova marsh
If your class didn't work well with aug?
gilded kraken
god bless ortemis
balmy kindle
^^ and because Aug was in its infancy stages, nobody knew what it did
inland drift
We vibing with slayer?
balmy kindle
So you could be the worst Aug player and still get invites
hushed pine
Yeah because Aug just augments everyone else's damage
fallen anchor
What they are doing now is really good making slayer very good for raid and playable in m+ and colossus very good in m+ and good for aoe bosses in raid
nova marsh
^^ and because Aug was in its infancy stages, nobody knew what it did
I remeber I think I had a disband on the first aug was out in brackenhide
because people thought the aug was trolling
granite swift
https://youtu.be/0Ukdz-k-h0s?si=9mw02bH4HaCcgb3y
This aug discussion reminds me of this video I watched from Izen recently. It shows on a scale of 1-10 how “meta” a spec was. Look at what happens from DF S2 when augs are introduced
balmy kindle
Lmao tbf he probably was just playing with 1 hand
nova marsh
https://youtu.be/0Ukdz-k-h0s?si=9mw02bH4HaCcgb3y
This aug discussion reminds m...
Aug a perfect 10 for a year straight
pulsar frost
@nova marshbless me next week for legs or boots
fair gust
Is there a scenario where Plume is better than Heart or Gaze Trinket?
smoky kayak
I've been running a lot of new bis list in prep for the ascendant voidcore upgrades, and all my findings have put Umbral Plume basically equal to Gaze/Heart
it might vary a bit with specific gearing, but I say go with whatever you have access to and personally enjoy best
granite swift
Aug a perfect 10 for a year straight
No, “1 “ is considered meta, but the issue is since aug has come in meta has been too “absolute”, you can see how unvaried it becomes from DF S2 onwards
nova marsh
<@204625742544240640>bless me next week for legs or boots
You get all my seasons luck
nova marsh
No, “1 “ is considered meta, but the issue is since aug has come in meta has bee...
Ahhh okay
fair gust
I've been running a lot of new bis list in prep for the ascendant voidcore upgra...
Hmm
Thats my vault
nova marsh
Thats my vault
TAKE PLUME
fair gust
but i have both gaze and heart on myth
inland drift
Uuu a feather
nova marsh
Sorry I webt crazy cu holy
smoky kayak
I mean you can sim, but I would not think that plume would be a meaningful upgrade
fair gust
Well the other only Upgrade i could get would be Socket
smoky kayak
or a coin if you have things to bonus roll
fallen anchor
I've been running a lot of new bis list in prep for the ascendant voidcore upgra...
I would say go with heart and gaze cuz u can get them mythic easily plume is very hard to get mythic
And upgrade to 298
smoky kayak
that still leads back to the same point - just use whatever you get access to
but yes, heart and gaze are generally easier to get, though everyone's situation may vary
I didn't see a single gavel drop for all of Shadowlands Season 3, lol
shit happens sometimes
fair gust
I got Gaze last wek with Bonus roll - and i really got lucky since i opened it as Arms Loot Spec xD
grand pivot
but, wait, I have the gilded discount on my alts now, but i dont have discount on my main
fallen anchor
that still leads back to the same point - just use whatever you get access to
Is the best ring set up is double myth rings from nexus or pit ring and nexus or raid ring crit/versa
smoky kayak
umbral plume sims higher for me then gaze
like I said, your individual results may vary slightly based on your gear - if you're low crit, then plume is probably going to be worth a little more
but the higher you get in gear, the more they equalize, and no matter what you're still sidegrading a Myth trinket for a Myth trinket
smoky kayak
Is the best ring set up is double myth rings from nexus or pit ring and nexus or...
they're functionally equal, though the new ring in 12.0.7 may change that
slow saddle
but ive spend loads of rolls in pos allready and lack belt - weap - ring from there
fair gust
Yeah i guess - but oly Other upgrade is my Last Socket + - i took out 2 already^^
slow saddle
im guessin only solution is to spend my 2 rolls first c what i get then take weap?
or is pos ring not that big ? i could also take weap and start in NPX
smoky kayak
im guessin only solution is to spend my 2 rolls first c what i get then take wea...
yup, if you get weapon, you can refund a roll from vault - if you don't get weapon, you can handicap it (assuming you wouldn't want to continue rolling pit next week)
Pit ring is perfectly competitive, but you have other options (NPX, Midnight)
soft parrot
Is it still exclusively colossus in m+?
smoky kayak
never was
smoky kayak
y im not seeing midnight
I got a heroic one, but yeah... just depends on what you have access to
slow saddle
no way heroic one beats a mythic ring ?
fallen anchor
Rn I think you can play slayer if u want in keys lower than 20
slow saddle
Rn I think you can play slayer if u want in keys lower than 20
i think u can play slayer in + 20 as well now?
its just more st into more prio but less overall ( which can be farmed by others )= ?
gilded kraken
you have way less prio as slayer
slow saddle
Thats my vault
hmm thing a bout plume is the stack dropage
viral fiber
Of course lol
fallen anchor
you have way less prio as slayer
Rn kinda yes
gilded kraken
doesnt matter
fair gust
Right now sims higher- with weap on 289 it sims 500 more - with current gear that is hmmm
slow saddle
weep wounds
gilded kraken
when you get twice the demolishes
gilded kraken
its funnel
slow saddle
thats not prio
gilded kraken
xd
grand pivot
@smoky kayak it seems myth of the dawn is bugged.. fully random if i get discount or not?
gilded kraken
how is it not
slow saddle
the reason col has more funnel, is more the case of 15% more slam dmg in tree
because 2 different words
zug zug
also ill stop the troll
gilded kraken
yeah but like
smoky kayak
<@61282228017041408> it seems myth of the dawn is bugged.. fully random if i get...
if it works like the last time around, it's watermarked by slot
slow saddle
it is ofc the same ^_^
fallen anchor
@slow saddle when there is adds 3 or above colossus is better than slayer in almost everything
gilded kraken
i mean tbf its not the same
not all specs with good prio have funnel
but all specs with funnel have prio
type shit xd
slow saddle
<@242626242254209025> when there is adds 3 or above colossus is better than slay...
simmed?
grand pivot
if it works like the last time around, it's watermarked by slot
yea but i have the discount for trinkets, but i dont have any char with 2x upgraded trinkets
smoky kayak
its funnel
Demolish is not funnel
slow saddle
also how big is the gap
gilded kraken
its part of the reason why you have funnel though
slow saddle
id say that practiced strikes
smoky kayak
I don't see how
slow saddle
its what separate the funnel the most
gilded kraken
more demolish = more st
smoky kayak
that's not what funnel means
gilded kraken
it isn't but more targets = more demolish = more st = funnel
fallen anchor
Demolish is not funnel
It’s not funnel but if u cast it it almost gives u 100% crit mortal and 10% haste
smoky kayak
the funnel is coming from Cleave, MS, and Sweep
the benefit of that funnel is more Demolish
smoky kayak
though it's not always actually more demolish, since you're usually delaying it for CS anyway
slow saddle
lets not argue with our theorycrafter 😄
gilded kraken
guess it makes more sense when you put it that way
smoky kayak
kinda semantics
slow saddle
which is half the fun 😄
smoky kayak
I understand your line of thinking
gilded kraken
did the chicken or the egg come first type shit innit
smoky kayak
that is a way to play
smoky kayak
did the chicken or the egg come first type shit innit
I did belo tonight, the chicken came first
grand pivot
if it works like the last time around, it's watermarked by slot
ahh i understand, it gives me the discounted upgrade for whichever trinkets i have across my characters, dont need both of them maxed
slow saddle
i mean brain comes in when i start doin keys where it matters more 😄
fallen anchor
Tbh with colossus change rn you can easily fail a lot of things if u don’t use double demo in a pack ur losing a lot of damage
gilded kraken
I did belo tonight, the chicken came first
chimcken op
smoky kayak
mmm I think it depends on the situation; there are times where you wanna double demo a pack and there are times you wanna hold it for a better lineup on the next
slow saddle
Archie did u update current M+ slayer build?
fair gust
I think i get the Plume - having an option is nice i guess - and i Still can get my last socket from next vault 😄
smoky kayak
there are no updates to the current M+ Slayer build
elder zealot
Also it's day 1 of the patch, I think it's too soon to tell for any builds
slow saddle
rly ? usually these guys have it done by day 2 ( 1 of eu ) 😄
fallen anchor
@smoky kayak btw isn’t it better now to drop execute applies deep wounds and take massacre in slayer dungeons ?
smoky kayak
didnt we go heavier into execute - and massacre?
that is an option which you can exercise, but it's not explicitly better
smoky kayak
<@61282228017041408> btw isn’t it better now to drop execute applies deep wounds...
no, and those two ideas would be kind of contradictory
smoky kayak
the thing that gets dropped is Battlelord, not Deep Wounds
there's a link to the build in #updates-midnight, but I have not made it the "main" M+ Slayer build, because I'm not convinced its wholly better
slow saddle
i mean the most frustrating thing about slayer arms
is rly it needs
to take overpowering finish imho
martial prowess AND execute talents
and powerfull momentum...
hm in a 12 ill deffo drop
mass execution
smoky kayak
in my tests, you're trading ~3k AoE for ~3k ST, which yes - it's a smaller relative loss of AoE for a larger relative gain in ST, but most of what you're doing in a M+ is AoE
smoky kayak
so again, I don't really know if I'd consider it better or worse yet, it's just an option
fallen anchor
I really hope slayer becomes good for heavy ST dungeons like skyreach,academy,nexus and magister trace
smoky kayak
Chrushing force out ? to get Stance mastery?
that's been since 12.0.5, but you have to be willing to give up your ranged interrupt for it
slow saddle
that's been since 12.0.5, but you have to be willing to give up your ranged inte...
and theres my issue
its SUCH a good thing in pugs
i use it on so many pulls
smoky kayak
so again, that's something I consider a trade off and it's really hard to tell people which they should do because there's a strong argument either way
slow saddle
yeah i was thinking solely dmg
smoky kayak
the damage diff is negligable
fallen anchor
At least u don’t lose dmg to spec into def talent for spec tree like fury
smoky kayak
Stance Mastery provides extremely little damage (and practically less if you're actually using Defensive Stance regularly)
fallen anchor
I hate fury so much cuz of that man
gilded kraken
on the topic of stance mastery and dstance
candid garden
We need that weird 20x slam dmg proc thing back
gilded kraken
any of yall remember infinite rage df arms
spamming ignore pain for am
and critcake using fyrakk tank trinket in atal 32 or w/e it was
good times
granite owl
so what's the prio for Slayer AoE now? I feel like there's too many procs between OP resets and SD. Cleave on cooldown, OP on cooldown, now do you use MS on cooldown or SD on cooldown? if I use SD, I'll never get to use MS or OP caps out, so I'm confused
fallen anchor
Tbh stance mastery is the most broken talent ever in high keys
fallen anchor
so what's the prio for Slayer AoE now? I feel like there's too many procs betwee...
In aoe press SD when u have 2 stacks
viral fiber
SD sudden death?
empty sluice
are the warrior buffs in for EU? tooltip is the same as yesterday
nova marsh
are the warrior buffs in for EU? tooltip is the same as yesterday
has reset happened in EU?
empty sluice
yea
fallen anchor
so what's the prio for Slayer AoE now? I feel like there's too many procs betwee...
Or use both if u have 3 stacks if bladestorm refund buff
fallen anchor
To get faster bladestorm
nova marsh
Yeah it sucks
minor gust
Yeah it sucks
there u go 1st pull aa
granite owl
Or use both if u have 3 stacks if bladestorm refund buff
interesting. do you try to get stacks in the opener as well before using bladestorm? if you get SD procs
minor gust
Slayer not so good at first pull aa just how it is
nova marsh
I kinda expected that
fallen anchor
interesting. do you try to get stacks in the opener as well before using bladest...
If u have bladestorm and colossus smash even if u have 0 bladestorm stacks send it
pulsar frost
<@404826388701380608> send your build
its just mass exe and 2 CT
winter kernel
do we have consensus which keys are slayer keys now? same as before nerfs?
viral fiber
So slayer better now?
pulsar frost
do we have consensus which keys are slayer keys now? same as before nerfs?
can probably play slayer in every key tbh
pale mantle
hum pit still pretty much colossus only
fallen anchor
If u have bladestorm and colossus smash even if u have 0 bladestorm stacks send ...
But let’s say ur fighting a boss and u get executed proc but have 0 stacks of bladestorm refund then it’s not worth to instantly use SD better to wait for 1 or 2 stacks
pulsar frost
ran a decent chunk of keys, they all feel good/fiune, assume the main slayer keys are probably still if not better
pulsar frost
hum pit still pretty much colossus only
slayers fine in pit
minor gust
<@404826388701380608> send your build
winter kernel
ran a decent chunk of keys, they all feel good/fiune, assume the main slayer key...
what was your overall looking like compared to col?
pulsar frost
what was your overall looking like compared to col?
like hm about 20k or so, tho keep in mind this tank was so random
dude pulled so small and the weirdest pulls
empty sluice
not having powerful is weird
pulsar frost
col probably wouldve been lower in that key as well
pulsar frost
not having powerful is weird
slayer never took it
empty sluice
I did
minor gust
its not really a big deal
pulsar frost
YOU did but the main build never did
pale mantle
so fuck rend ?
candid garden
Bladestorm = wet noodle
minor gust
same rules for rend keep it up in aoe filler in ST
pulsar frost
Bladestorm = wet noodle
blade storms like top 3 of our deeps tho
minor gust
you cant really say BS hits like a wet noodle this patch when ive had it top overall dmg plenty of times xD
pale mantle
Bladestorm = wet noodle
I mean, EACH bladestorm doesnt do the same damage as some other expansions
but you cast a lot of it now
sooo
pulsar frost
BS be doing as much as BS and/or cleave 💀
full obsidian
eyo
pale mantle
also its have a lot of synergy with other talents and slayer hero tree itself
so it is what it is
sharp sequoia
Hi guys. What is better? Omission of light myth or box algeth ar myth?
vast helm
thane META now?
fair tinsel
Hi guys. What is better? Omission of light myth or box algeth ar myth?
puzzlebox is a meme
ring 2pc
empty sluice
any NA player that can send me reap tooltip screenshot?
pulsar frost
Hi guys. What is better? Omission of light myth or box algeth ar myth?
Sim it
Myth void and wedding is my bis so im happy dont have to run nexus
rocky rock
Im sorry guys if its stupid question, but is there any sims about slayer/colossus after new week fixes? Like avg dmg M+ / ST , etc?
cedar cairn
are you guys digging the battlelord or exe build more for slayer
empty sluice
Im sorry guys if its stupid question, but is there any sims about slayer/colossu...
check updates channel
rocky rock
check updates channel
Thank you!
cedar cairn
so far ive been having more consistent pumps with BL but also know I could do better with rage management for exe build
slow saddle
@smoky kayak hmm ok so i rolled ring
i guess im takin weap, as now theres only belt left and 4 bad rolls 😄
all ill say in a 12 actually it doesnt feel like Slayer comes to its own in ST 😄
i hardly got 2 execute b4 shit was dead
boss dmg feels legit though ngl
sharp sequoia
ring 2pc
I'm playing with occlusion of void and purloined wedding ring. Better change ?!
slow saddle
I'm playing with occlusion of void and purloined wedding ring. Better change ?!
sim it tbh
fair tinsel
I'm playing with occlusion of void and purloined wedding ring. Better change ?!
Oh, arms channel
hmm
smoky kayak
i guess im takin weap, as now theres only belt left and 4 bad rolls 😄
in that case yeah I would probably take weapon - you can get a belt anywhere and cata it
fair tinsel
Void+wedding ring likely
puzzle isn't great if you have access to mythic chim/vorasius
slow saddle
not many belt drops though atm, but id like to get the set rings + mythic legs from NPX as i also will prob dabble in furu
empty sluice
how many hours had the buffs delay for NA?
sharp sequoia
Void+wedding ring likely
Ty.
slow saddle
we are killin dragons though so, theres dragons
mystic summit
whelp
slow saddle
y im taking weap fuck it, havent got the time to keep upgrade and moving shit around 😄
mystic summit
at least im guaranteed 2h from pit next week 🙂
balmy kindle
all ill say in a 12 actually it doesnt feel like Slayer comes to its own in ST �...
Thing with slayer in m+ is that you are at the mercy of sudden death procs
rocky rock
check updates channel
Seems like slayer still not playable for arms.. 🙁
100k overall in MT difference looking like unplayable
slow saddle
Thing with slayer in m+ is that you are at the mercy of sudden death procs
me i will agree
or Cleave luck
balmy kindle
Low rolling sudden death procs 
slow saddle
i mean my biggest gripe is the disparity in hs dmgs coz of the practiced strikes rly
balmy kindle
Like even on boss I feel it's very proc dependent
slow saddle
Low rolling sudden death procs <:deadge:900279927138578432>
i will say i had no shaman
and it felt ok
minor gust
Thing with slayer in m+ is that you are at the mercy of sudden death procs
gotta play CT execute slayer
hybrid needle
Not having shaman is a warcrime
minor gust
balmy kindle
Yeah like if you can some procs here and there it feels really good, but sometimes you can get no procs for like 15-20s into a blood lust boss pull
drowsy fiber
How is slayer now?
minor gust
just drop blord and bb for massacre and x2 CT
quiet bramble
buttlord
balmy kindle
Ah CT, but with no blord, won't your aoe pulls be kinda painful
balmy kindle
Not even OP eh
empty sluice
@minor gust ure NA right?
minor gust
yes
minor gust
buffs just werent live for a couple hours
empty sluice
warrior specific or general class changes?
minor gust
idk
mystic summit
next week is the 298 stuff from the forge right
cedar cairn
do yall send exe when over 80 rage on CT build?
minor gust
CT build as in M+ build?
rigid flicker
So it's fury thane in M+ now in principle? Or are the numbers a bit misleading?
vast hinge
How are the sums showing ST at 90k
When I do like 55k in keys lol
I’m pushing 19s like I’m not dogshit
minor gust
because sims are done with all buffs
hybrid needle
And st build not aoe
rigid flicker
Sims absolute value is pretty much pointless. Relative differences matter between sims.
stable fiber
CT build as in M+ build?
Maybe I'm coping but slayer feels more tank dependent then Colo
stable fiber
Like Colo can just send cds full auto
balmy kindle
The other way round no?
vast hinge
Funnel isn't that hard though
There’s bosses where it doesn’t exist lol
cedar cairn
CT build as in M+ build?
yessir
elder zealot
Whoa, big M+ news I just found, you can spell reflect Holy Bolt in Xenas now
stable fiber
But if the tank pulls scared every pull then slayer is shit
vast hinge
Or like , the DK and DH in your team just fucking obliterates the mobs
And I got like 6 global sin
With the funnel
pulsar frost
blord aint doing anything for aoe
Will say kinda weird and lame for not having op pricing MS in ST tho
stable fiber
There’s bosses where it doesn’t exist lol
And what the FUCK does that have to do with the tank
pulsar frost
My only real complaint. And having no rage
minor gust
Maybe I'm coping but slayer feels more tank dependent then Colo
nah only cd you gotta be smart about is BS really. colo gets hurt more too if tank gathers and groups poorly, and colo at the mercy of will you get mobs for funnel or not
nova marsh
But if the tank pulls scared every pull then slayer is shit
Isn't like
Evreyone kinda shit if the tank pulls low
stable fiber
That's not what I mean
vast hinge
Tank being safe doesn’t exist on high keys
stable fiber
It's not worth to send bladestorm on 3 mobs
vast hinge
Every tank I meet wants to combine 2 packs that should never be combined lol
pulsar frost
It's not worth to send bladestorm on 3 mobs
This is factual
I enjoy sending demo on will
Bs is less that
stable fiber
Like I was playing 2 keys with the same tank but different classes
He pulled scared in a nexus point and it felt infinitely harder to play as slayer then it would as colossus
stable fiber
Idk it's hard to explain but slayer feels less versatile then Colo going pack to pack
cedar cairn
with this build exe prio is as follow
MS only with CS and x2EP > OP > Exe
Thank you based slayer
pulsar frost
with this build exe prio is as follow
MS only with CS and x2EP > OP > Exe
So like in aoe. Are yoy always cleave then op and repeat. Do you like execute down your main mob and like mortal strike when cleave is on cd
minor gust
Idk it's hard to explain but slayer feels less versatile then Colo going pack to...
I get you. depends really how long those 3 mobs are living and when tank is gonna pull more
thick kelp
I get you. depends really how long those 3 mobs are living and when tank is gonn...
Nice logs
minor gust
Nice logs
I also bricked an 18 AA on last boss can send that log too. Dont look at last boss where shaman and rogue die at the start and I solo the whole boss from like 50% xD
stable fiber
I need to push io so I can do devious things to the mobs in dungeons in actual content
minor gust
yeah getting execute to be top dmg in that 17 npx was awesome
empty sluice
exe so high
yea jsut wait till it comes to eu xd
stable fiber
yeah getting execute to be top dmg in that 17 npx was awesome
I did 300k dps on the damage Amp boss without lust
Felt good
minor gust
yup
pulsar frost
I did 300k dps on the damage Amp boss without lust
Really fun when SD procs proc
minor gust
exe so high
also peep in that log I ran slayer for mythic dragons tonight lmao
ember tangle
Hi guys, pretty new at warrior, everyone talking about this slayer build, is this something i should use always now? Even in m+?
bleak fog
You game Slayer or?
nova marsh
Hi guys, pretty new at warrior, everyone talking about this slayer build, is thi...
Play what u like for keys
Slayer in raid though
bleak fog
With high execute dmg that is
minor gust
So like in aoe. Are yoy always cleave then op and repeat. Do you like execute do...
In aoe I basically play like this Cleave > OP > MS until small mobs are dead and prio target is 35% then I pretty much just spam cleave > exe
bleak fog
Eu here and at work a Wednesday for once so can’t test QQ
stable fiber
Does crown of the cosmos still count for all stars
pulsar frost
In aoe I basically play like this Cleave > OP > MS until small mobs are dead and...
Ic thats what I thought
oblique sparrow
do i hold Colossus Smash for Demolish if they are misaligned or just send colossus smash on cd and demolish when it comes off cd
am i really never clicking execute even in execute phase unless i have sudden death and nothing else to press
jolly goblet
we playin slayer now again?
minor gust
if you want to play it
stable fiber
Both are good right now
thick kelp
also peep in that log I ran slayer for mythic dragons tonight lmao
holy
jolly goblet
whats better for ST?
stable fiber
Slayer xdd
Not even close
Even with funnel I fear
Feel like the prio damage of slayer outweighs the extra funnel colossus gets
That is feelscraft though
minor gust
holy
I didnt play that well towards the end of the fight but I think slayer has some potential for dragons
thick kelp
I didnt play that well towards the end of the fight but I think slayer has some ...
For sure now that the orbs just melt
night niche
So both slayer and collo work for m+ or is collo still better for higher keys?
stable fiber
Both
nova marsh
That is feelscraft though
Heresy
stable fiber
I am leaning towards slayer a bit now though
minor gust
For sure now that the orbs just melt
I did the CT M+ build but with powerful instead of collat so I had CC cleaves for non BS orb sets
stable fiber
This feels very good to play
jolly goblet
so we press execute again now? 😄
pulsar frost
I did the CT M+ build but with powerful instead of collat so I had CC cleaves fo...
You know what would make slayer really fun. If they made it so OP gave rage again. Imagine exe phase of just op snd rage but luke not starve rage
jolly goblet
or execute just in st? not in aoe?