arms

[wind hatch]

im looking at the rank 1 allstars for heroic and this guy has like 60 kills of each boss

[wintry dome]

grindset

[wind hatch]

what is wrong with this guy

[candid kindle]

100% somoeone in a carry guild

selling runs

[wind hatch]

he isnt even in a guild

[candid kindle]

u do that kind of stuff only if u getting something out of it.

[wind hatch]

im pretty sure he just does it for the logs

[candid kindle]

if he does only for the love of the game

[rain fiber]

there are groups with people that aren't part of a guild, they simply advertise themselves and run carries

[candid kindle]

he has a lot of free time

[rain fiber]

specially if you do heroic runs

[candid kindle]

this

[rain fiber]

since it doesn't need commitment like Mythic does

[short crescent]

what do yall macro guidon into?

[wind hatch]

ravager

[dark onyx]

What's a generally sound target and duration for m+ simming on patchwerk

[wind hatch]

st 3 min 8t 1 min

[dark onyx]

tyvm

[short crescent]

ty

[mortal crag]

st 4min

not 3min

most fights are 3:30 to 4:30

at least imo

[kind flax]

First key of the week for me was looking at slayer on Murlok, for M+ no more cleave? when do you use WW? Assuming slayer now is hyper dead for M+ I was only gonna do some 10s for vault so figure Slayer would be fine but what's the way to approach it now?

[short crescent]

What about for slayer? bind it to smash?

[smoky kayak]

Not exactly sure what you're asking here, since there seem to be a few misconceptions

• M+ builds absolutely use Cleave, no questions or exceptions
• Cleave replaces Whirlwind, so Whirlwind is not used in M+ (nor even in raid, for that matter)
• Slayer is not dead, certainly isn't "hyper" dead, and is even getting a moderate buff tomorrow
• Play what you want, you could DPS a +10 as Protection and still clear with time to spare

[fair tinsel]

If the concern is just blasting 10s, thane fury is gonna smack for that level of content even more than it already does

Not an arms spec, but yea

[kind flax]

I read the Murlok way wrong, we are good to go, I filtered for Slayer but translated the talent choices wrong, it took away cleave and it felt beyond weird..

[wind hatch]

yeah that's probably your best bet

[minor gust]

Murlok is a pretty bad site for this stuff. Just grab builds from wowhead not much changes and if you aren't certain just ask in here

[boreal bay]

is slayer back for m+ tomorrow?

[kind flax]

Yep, it basically had Slayer filtered but Col talent, Murlok never lead me wrong before, but it felt so off lol, no cleave was disgusting. Shoulda thought about it a little more before sending it lol

[minor gust]

It will be better than it is now tomorrow.

[latent moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1170378356588552214/1500934693208719481/Screenshot_20260504-203930.png?ex=69fa3ddc&is=69f8ec5c&hm=82f88537e05818edd1a0b5496e7d3c3d6173777ed18b238370bc70a29a65c0a0&

[minor gust]

What an awful day to have eyes

[smoky kayak]

tbf the murlok builds basically are WH's - there's really not much you can change anymore lol

[minor gust]

I didn't even know murloc had guides

[smoky kayak]

but yeah, it's good to cross reference and then ask questions, but you should never put too much stock in what "top pushers" are doing, because it isn't always going to apply to what you're doing outside of those highest push keys

[minor gust]

Thought it was just data collection like raider.io or archon

[smoky kayak]

they don't, I meant their talent builds and such

[minor gust]

Won't be the first person to ask why they see the top "slayer" M+ pusher is using pure ST talents

Reality they just logged out in raid build

[kind flax]

Thats why I asked though, I never go by the top, those are people that run with specific players, groups etc, I filtered for slayer and was just referencing talents, but it had most not taking cleave which is what through me off not just like 13 people not talented for it etc.

[elder sandal]

is there an addon like improved whirlwind tracker for sweeping strikes?

[minor gust]

Smart man

[candid garden]

I rly dislike my ST dps as colossus arms

Feels rly limiting for my grp when we try 17s atm

So either locked into compensating for my lack of ST with the rest of the comp

Or I go into some other talents

Slayer buff seems interesting

Think this will shift more ppl into slayer in keys?

[reef glade]

should just play fury atp

probably

aoe not that far behind for a looot better st

[umbral linden]

if you have a stable group - just ask for funnel imo
arms aoe is so cracked, that you make up for any st probs

[reef glade]

if st is like a severe limiting problem in your group

[candid garden]

Im very well statted for arms sadly, going for fury probably would hurt for a while

[reef glade]

arms should just be the better spec yea

but kinda have to take the good with the bad

unless yea can bring some adds onto bosses when possible

[sleek epoch]

how does arms have funnel?

new to warrior :)

[reef glade]

cleave doing fervor of battle and as colossus more targets for mortal strike sweeping and cleave hitting 3 or more is also a loooot of extra demolish stacks

[umbral linden]

sweeping - more colo stacks
fervor - free slam/hs in 3+target

[reef glade]

namely those two things

you can easily get like a 10 second demolish or something on 3 targets with like lust and all stuff up

[wind hatch]

tier set extends cs significantly in 3+ targets as well

[reef glade]

do it on paladins at least

[candid garden]

Grp is sadly not full premade we usually pug 1-2 guys. If it was full premade I would do this 100%

[reef glade]

feels so good

yea that too

[umbral linden]

arms aoe is immensely good
done 15 pug saron with aug/monk/sham
250+ in every pull with 5+ mobs, 300+ in 8+

[minor gust]

For they key range you are doing slayer is more than fine. I have no problem keeping up with and beating people in the 17/18 range. And this is before buffs

[reef glade]

yea no harm in trying slayer too i suppose

[candid garden]

You still spec into lots of cleave thingies?

[umbral linden]

also arms is not that aug dependant, but i base that solely on feeling

[bleak arrow]

Slayer fun

[candid garden]

Kinda feels like we want some exe talents on slayer

[minor gust]

With the buffs tomorrow slayer build Will change to incorporate more execute talents

[candid garden]

Sweeping exe procs the aoe right?

[minor gust]

don't need sweeping to proc the aoe from SD

[candid garden]

Ah ok

What about non SD exe?

[minor gust]

Only SD executes will proc reap. And reap can also be procd from cleave at 3+ targets

[candid garden]

Sweeping MS?

[minor gust]

It's a pretty decent buff for keys. Healthy St and aoe increase is good. Can't wait to test it out tomorrow. Might be better than expected considering the buffs to Colo is very minimal

[minor gust]

MS can't proc reap

[reef glade]

[candid garden]

Sadge

[reef glade]

what is it cleave

thought ms

but if not one then the other

prolly not the worst

[candid garden]

Is it always proc cleave 3+ or chance

[reef glade]

should be 20%

def too op if always

[candid garden]

Xd

[fringe leaf]

anyone do log reviews here or care to help? timed a 20 npx but i was hard carried

[reef glade]

log review for a 20 😭 wot

[fringe leaf]

i know some pulls for sure i was not in range of cleaving everything and some pulls i sent my go's and then tank pulled more mobs

[reef glade]

kinda based but also batting bit high, would say maybe worth watching some high pushers perchance doing those keys?

[fringe leaf]

my 18 turned to 19 turned to 20 lmao im shocked too

[candid garden]

What comp did u run

[reef glade]

or if any of them also have logs of that dungeon can maybe just see like how differing pack sizes and stuff was done

but key logs usually a good bit harder to dissect

[fringe leaf]

was brew, rsham, ret, uhdk, me (arms)

[reef glade]

so many more variables than regular raid fights

[fringe leaf]

yeah thats fair

[candid garden]

God bless resto shamans

What 20 was it? Pit?

[fringe leaf]

first pull npx so many ground mechanics i was like ok id rather not die then greed for damage and missed some cleaves in there id imagine while ret and uhdk just stand at 20 yards and do full dps

[fringe leaf]

mine? it was npx

[candid garden]

Ah

Tried it on 17 earlier but our ST dps was just too low on that boss with the lines

I was doing like 45k

[clever crag]

lol doing 20s and want a review 😄

from who Biz ?

nobody else doing 20s here bro

[fringe leaf]

im not either lol i dont get invs just doing my own key and it turned in to 20 and somehow timed lol

[reef glade]

baseg

[clever crag]

I need to do my own key

[candid garden]

Im gonna do that tomorrow

[fringe leaf]

yeah man its tough, when i build my comp i build for "ok i know i cant get full dps uptime i need the other 2 to do it"

[candid garden]

I manifest

My 17 key

Into a 20 tomorrow

Trust

Felt compelled to invite this legend

[clever crag]

LOL

[indigo quail]

Is 16.03 million dmg on an 18% wipe on L'ura decent damage for a col ST?

HC

[reef glade]

damage number means almost nothing should think about stuff as dps

[robust cypress]

Why are youy playing col on Lura

[reef glade]

you want to hope to not be the bottom dps in your raid

but yea just playing colo at all probably not great

[candid garden]

They should make it so we can place target dummies in instances for cleave

[indigo quail]

Because i want to

[minor gust]

based

[indigo quail]

Dps 41083

[reef glade]

yea that is uh...

not fantastic

[robust cypress]

Best response ngl

[robust cypress]

But 41k is not great 🙁

[minor gust]

41k

[indigo quail]

Eh just trying

[robust cypress]

Wait do you have a tank trinket on?

[indigo quail]

I know its not the ST spec

[reef glade]

gloom spattered

aware

[indigo quail]

Yep

Helps with mistakes

[sudden owl]

bet that goes hard on the p1 adds

[candid garden]

Secret chad build

[indigo quail]

Let me see how it goes after the buff tomorrow.

[robust cypress]

Welp, to seat I go on tuesday I guess https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8GSmZtwJAxtVqhkpGCkx6R

[indigo quail]

Besides the big hitters MS on CD, HC when it pops, OP slam to fill exe with proc, rend always up

[robust cypress]

Also why do sims use pot of light instead of reckless?

[candid garden]

286

[hybrid needle]

Reck can and will destroy your dps if youre not careful when to Pop

[robust cypress]

Having a 285 dk gave me so many free crests on war

[robust cypress]

eh?

[hybrid needle]

Well, not destroy, but.. uknow, be less good

[candid garden]

We run like 0 vers

[robust cypress]

Yeah

[candid garden]

How does it ruin dmg

[robust cypress]

I guess if it procs haste thats worse than it proccing crit right

Like we want it to pop crit, right?

[candid garden]

I think its still better than light when it procs haste too

[rare kite]

just because if it procs the wrong stat then it's not that great. a small thing to consider as well is if you vantus it takes the vers away from the vantus as well

[wind hatch]

i think even with vantus reck is better

[robust cypress]

Oh this toon is not mythic raiding lol No vantus is ever gonna be on this guy unless its for reclear reasons

Only myth fights I do is chim + 3/6 vs for vault

[candid garden]

The only pot mby worth trying other than reck is that void thingie

[rare kite]

sim and find out. when haste was highest stat for me light was ahead but now reck is better with crit

[robust cypress]

Draught?

[candid garden]

I guess if it procs haste with reck pot during lust its probably bad

[robust cypress]

Maybe I need to run a few more sims with different pots

and also maybe add gaze when I eventually get it

[candid garden]

But mastery is strong on cleave

And i only play m+

[wind hatch]

yeah reck sims slightly higher with vantus

[candid garden]

So i just do the algethar trink and then pot

[wind hatch]

im pretty sure lust doesnt actually effect your numerical stat value, just the percentage

[robust cypress]

Correct

[candid garden]

Yes but if u have haste trink proc

And it gives u haste

[robust cypress]

Lust doesnt change what reck procs

[candid garden]

And u have lust

[hybrid needle]

Go for reck if your crit is higher, just make sure to have a macro to cancel hasteprocc from weapon

[robust cypress]

Nah fuck that

[hybrid needle]

Lights is idiotproof and doesnt waste procs

[candid garden]

The added haste value is diminished cos u already have 30% from lust

[robust cypress]

Cancelauras is stupid

[rare kite]

he's saying that haste proc reck is bad in lust. not that reck stat proc is affected by lust

[cedar cairn]

For slayer do I want to send exe repeatedly when over 80 rage?

[candid garden]

I use 289 wep so no hunt

And 2x arcanoweave

[hybrid needle]

Berserker rage my guy

What your sim tells you to do

Its haste procc

[candid garden]

What is berserker rage

[hybrid needle]

Is this ragebait

[indigo quail]

Sorry missed the reply, but solid for the current spec on that fight?

[hybrid needle]

I think its ragebait

[wind hatch]

if ms or hs isn't up then yes

[short crescent]

according to the wowhead rotation, execute is low priority, even in execute

not sure if outdated

[cedar cairn]

Thanks kings

[wind hatch]

its low priority for rage reasons

[candid garden]

What is it

[wind hatch]

in APL its above op when > 80 rage

[cedar cairn]

Yea so far have been mostly sending jt off procs or over 80 rage

[short crescent]

huh, its below even overpower in the priority

[hybrid needle]

Basically, no shaman no execute

[candid garden]

Mby shifts with new patch?

If we spec into the 30% refund stuff

[hybrid needle]

Iirc its 10% and idk what youd wanna drop for that.
For col most likely not worth it

[short crescent]

should I sent demo on rip after CS or wait to build to 10 stacks

[warped owl]

I usually send at 10 stacks if I can during cs. It’s quite easy to stack up with crushing combo and sweep mortal strikes

[short crescent]

Yeah, I just thought I saw people talking about fitting two demos in one CS window, but I don't think I have the gear for that yet

[wind hatch]

you rarely get to do that

its fake news

[warped owl]

You do x% more dmg to the enemies you hit depending on amount of Colo might stacks

[warped owl]

Need big haste for that like lust aoe pulls

And that’s usually with some pre stacking Colo might stacks

[wind hatch]

if i go into a pull with no stacks I like to just build a few stacks and send it so I can get it on cooldown

[short crescent]

so like CS, 3x cleave, demo?

maybe MS somewhere first

[wind hatch]

yeah

[hybrid needle]

I like to presweep > CS > MS > 3x Cleave > MS > Demo

[short crescent]

wait presweep? I thought it didnt work

like CS just removes or overrides sweep

[hybrid needle]

You can presweep as soon as timer starts counting down on 10

And its just to get a ms or 2 in while tank gathers, if possible

[short crescent]

oh for like big pulls

at the very start

[hybrid needle]

Just mentioned it for the sake of it, really

[rose matrix]

I just send triple Cleave into a MS then Demolish

If it is is first pull

[short crescent]

plus rend

[warped owl]

Yeah you can do that just care for aggro on who you hit

[short crescent]

which I hate pressing

[warped owl]

Rend feels good it gives rage and it is uncapped aoe

[hybrid needle]

I like rend. Its also a great filler for aoe

[warped owl]

It starts doing being dmg when you are hitting soft aoe cap at 8+ targets

[robust cypress]

I dont understand why rend has a cd

[short crescent]

Its just one too many buttons for me to manage, I'll get used to it though

I came from thane auto applying it on a button I was pressing anyway

[warped owl]

It’s not that bad for a 20 sec dot to keep uptime for

[hybrid needle]

Ah Well thane is zugzug, col is cd Management

Youll get used to it quickly tho. Feels really natural

After your first few deaths cause u popped demo in a weird spot youll also position better by default

[nova marsh]

Best way imo is just target swap evrey gcd

[nova marsh]

Since it was introduced in tww I assume to prevent what happened to rend in df

Where rend was like universally better then slam

Instead of blizzard just making sure slam dosent hit for like 2k more then auto attacks

[hybrid needle]

Hey rogueboy u gonna play Outlaw with this reset or what

[nova marsh]

No

Fuck trickster

Actually delete that shit

Also outlaw somehow manages to cause more depression then arms

[hybrid needle]

Wild.
Why ?

[nova marsh]

Tuning

And trickster existing

[wind hatch]

glad blizzard nerfed outlaw!

outlaw was simply too good

[nova marsh]

Honestly mostly trickster ar this point

Like I hate specs where like

You have one pretty good or REALLY good hero talent

And one that if I have to play for a season I will uninstall

And then blizz buffs the one that makes me wonna uninsall

[wind hatch]

thats why i like arms

[nova marsh]

I like warr in general for that

[wind hatch]

atleast for me i enjoy both hero talents quite a lot

[nova marsh]

We actually have decent trees across the whole class

[robust cypress]

How big are the buffs for M+ btw

[nova marsh]

Not very

Unless ur a diehard slayer fan

[wind hatch]

i think for colossus its like 2-3%

[robust cypress]

I do enjoy slayer

[nova marsh]

Then kinda big

[warped owl]

Only ST think multi is more like 1% ish

[nova marsh]

I mean colo needs zero help there

[toxic osprey]

Just two talents in arm that up the % tactician that will never be picked, are they really that bad ? (The Choose one Brute Force/Efficiency on the left and on the far down Master Tactician)

[surreal spade]

how its the right way to sim arms colossus ?

[sudden owl]

[latent moss]

ye i love

the 9 aoe talents we have

cause its df design tree

[nova marsh]

No

Hero trees

Read content

[latent moss]

slayer forces u into bs

[short crescent]

This is a warrior discord, reading is heresy

[latent moss]

has no way to do aoe for arms outside of reap

colo is by design useless on st

[short crescent]

I wish colo just had some single target options

I like it way more than slayer

[elder sandal]

anyone here knows an addon that can display sweeping strikes in a bar with 12 little rectangles? like this one for improved whirlwind (here 4 stacks)

im too dumb to look at the sweeping strikes buff and its number sometimes

[short crescent]

that sounds sick

[hybrid needle]

The best part about the CDM from blizz is that it Shows you no stacks when you still have a stack

Cause "1" isnt a stacksize

[short crescent]

let me know if you find one

[elder sandal]

maybe its possible to ask the sensei resource bar guy to implement it

[quiet bramble]

He’s probably in an adrenaline rush and forgot to look

[plucky bramble]

hi, can someone explain me why we execute in aoe as slayer

[elder sandal]

[quiet bramble]

You reap

With sudden d

[plucky bramble]

oh, so its sudden death that procs reap

[latent moss]

this is

exactly whats wrong

with slayer

[plucky bramble]

uhndersstood, thx

[latent moss]

with arms in general

[quiet bramble]

Raw Exe is aaaaaah

[plucky bramble]

sudden death is max prio them?

[minor gust]

[plucky bramble]

even above cleave i guess

[latent moss]

the fact that u need a reason

to press the button the entire hero talent is supposed to be around

idk why they cant make exe aoe and just juice it

[minor gust]

because slayer has always been more about SD than execute sadly xD

[latent moss]

exactly the problem

[quiet bramble]

Rename it into blademaster and somehow rework it

[minor gust]

yeah I see that

I think its one of those things where how do you make a hero spec all about execute when you can only really use it sub 35%

so I get why they decided to lean more into SD

[quiet bramble]

Frozen, u still play colo?

[minor gust]

every now and again to use for comparisons

[latent moss]

i mean leaning into sd is okay its the leaning into reap and bs for aoe

that i dislike

[plucky bramble]

oh, i just readed your name, do u think slayer is going to be viable next patch for dungeons? i prefer playing slayer if i can

[quiet bramble]

Kinda like colo just a lil bit, but still goin back to slayer

[minor gust]

getting aoe purely from execute could be cool. I think BS is fine but yeah reap could be replaced

[hybrid needle]

Guys, if you like slayer play slayer. Really not important unless u want .1% title

[strange comet]

with the tuning is slarms supposed to beat out slurry in ST still? idk if ive seen numbers anywhere

[gritty cobalt]

Hey, i do have a lil question, i'm almost 280ilevel (myth weap, right enchant and gem where i can and 2 crafted embelish) bit often finish my dungeon around 100k/120k dps overall,
so my question is do u know what can i miss about the rotation ? or else ? ( sorry i don't have logs by now) ((edit : war arms colossus))

[hybrid needle]

@nova marsh look, more Outlaw buffs. Go play it

[nova marsh]

Also not what im talking about

Ther hero specs do not cause friction in the rota

[minor gust]

its viable now, and will be better on reset with buffs. I have a feeling it will be solid and well go back to colo on big aoe dung, Slayer on ST dung or pick your preference for fun

[nova marsh]

There arent any warr trees that feel awful in all situations to play on any specs imo

[hybrid needle]

Col is reliant on big pulls and funnel damage. Unless youre quite a bit below your teammates it mightve just been a slow route or a ST heavy dungeon

[quiet bramble]

They kinda rebuff trickster

[latent moss]

idk colo feels

fairly horrible on st

nothing does any dmg

[plucky bramble]

makes sence, i will test it tomorrow

[latent moss]

if u lowroll tact/blord

u spam slam that does nothing

[minor gust]

CS and Demo still wont always align in ST

is still a problem

and why colo feels bad to play

[gritty cobalt]

last dungeon 120k was PoS, i was top dps but it was just a weekly so not high key

[quiet bramble]

Turn slam forever into HS

[latent moss]

hs feels like nothing

[minor gust]

and take it off the GCD and triple our rage gen

[quiet bramble]

Aight im just coping

Slam is so aaaaah to press

Also rend is ungodly awful

[latent moss]

all of colo is awful on st imo

[minor gust]

its Iconic

[latent moss]

apart from highrolling blord/tact and all ms critting

[flat willow]

Colo feels bad to play cuz it's already doing piss single target in full single target set up, except you only pick Colo in aoe situation like m+ so you skip a lot of single target talent, culminating in you doing 40k less dps if you can't funnel on bosses

[hybrid needle]

The higher the key the higher your damage. Sounds weird but thats how it works with rav+mass exe doing alot of work

[minor gust]

Mogcheck

[latent moss]

w

[latent moss]

i mean it also just

isnt designed for st at all

[hybrid needle]

Those boots look weird af and i cant pinpoint why

[latent moss]

demolish feels like nothing on st

and its SOOO easy

to fix

[flat willow]

Yeah, warrior is the only class in the game where they decided that one hero spec shouldn't do single target and the other shouldn't do aoe

The design doesn't fit with the rest of the game

[latent moss]

like

its SO easy

to just add this

to colo

[minor gust]

The lil kneepad looking things are part of pants not like top of boots maybe thats it

[plucky bramble]

can someone take a quick look into some dungeons logs and see if im doing something VERY bad, i spoke with a very good warrior friend and he helped me a bunch but i feel im doing something very wrong

[latent moss]

arms is also just

giga handicapped

cause the tree is df design

9 aoe talents

when most specs have 3 aoe talents

and the 3 st talents they drop are meaningless anyway

[flat willow]

I can't even tell when unholy or devorer are in single target build

[hybrid needle]

Nah the kneecaps are fine. To me it just looks like you have 2 plate caps on the Front foot and wear some knee high socks

[flat willow]

Cuz they are the exact same

[latent moss]

welcome to midnight design

arms feels like

pre .5 df

feels like 10.0 df

i think if they were to rework arms

cleave would be the first to go

sweeping strikes would go passive

[flat willow]

If they ever do a rework, they need to do just like every other damn spec in the game and pick one hero spec to be completely better than the other in every situation

Cuz that's how the system is designed to work for everyone (except warrior)

[latent moss]

i mean for udk

rider and sanlayn were pretty close idk how is it now

in m+

[flat willow]

Didn't they completely gut sanlayn in .5

[latent moss]

i dont think they gutted

but pre 5 both were equally playable

sanlayn was looking better in very high keys

but u had world first keys being timed with both

i dont think its hard to tune both hero talents so that they are equal

unless design is cooked (colo on st)

i mean colo needs like

a 20% st buff

buff ms by 60% and that buffs 2t and 3t by 9 billion %

idk cooked hero talent

[misty sandal]

It's completely gutted.

[rare kite]

If only. I swear they hate the idea of this

[minor gust]

and yet they gave passive exe cleave to prot

[wind hatch]

why is colossus arms warrior2 saying this

smh

[minor gust]

because the colossus warriors dont actually like colo

[uneven minnow]

for mythic chim

worth using bladestorm + colossus smash on tiny adds if avatar isn't up?

[wind hatch]

if you think they will live longer than like 5 seconds yeah

[uneven minnow]

I still don't really understand when to use bladestorm

I always just try to line up avatar + CS + bladestorm and thats when i press bladestorm

[wind hatch]

dont worry about avatar really

cs is what matters

avatar is just there if you happen to have it

[uneven minnow]

okie

[vast hinge]

Pressing cleave m should just spawn two target dummy’s next to your target

That would fix our ST kekw

[latent moss]

colo owns

[nova marsh]

Okay

[latent moss]

in aoe

[nova marsh]

Leeme put it this way

Colo thane and slayer do not actively fight the goals of fury arms or prot

Thats not to say theyre perfectly designed

Thats not to say Colo dosent need a rework

The concepts are not bad

[mystic bronze]

I do wonder how many feels it needs a rework and how many are happy with how it plays 🤔

[nova marsh]

The rotation itself for colo st is pretty fine imo

The numbers just arent there. And we know they can be

[vast hinge]

Slam feels awful to hit, same with execute

[nova marsh]

Okay but leeme ask you

why

Why do they feel bad to hit

Is it cuz of numbers because again im taking conceptually here

[latent moss]

colo st having a real rotation relies entirely on tactician and blord proccing

[pulsar frost]

i like col aoe

[vast hinge]

Cus were rage staved

[nova marsh]

That....

[pulsar frost]

i miss when OP gave rage

[latent moss]

it's not even the starving for me

[nova marsh]

I mean thats spec design overall

[vast hinge]

And it’s better to afk a global than to press slam lol

[latent moss]

nothing on colo st feels good to press

demo is insanely weak on st

[vast hinge]

If you have ms coming up that is

[latent moss]

doesnt sync always

ms if it doesnt crit

does legit nothing

[vast hinge]

Honestly slayer arms felt really good gameplay wise before .5

[pulsar frost]

Dont you enjoy MS critting for only 40k

Fun times right

[latent moss]

spec entirely relies on ms critting tact and blord proccing

[vast hinge]

Numbers just needed a little tuning but that play style felt fluid

[nova marsh]

Alright I've said my piece

But yes colo st needs god

[vast hinge]

The .5 patch forcing everyone to go colo was awful decision

[latent moss]

needs a gameplay god

[nova marsh]

Chief

[pulsar frost]

Lots of folks still playing slayer tho

[nova marsh]

You just said

Colo st feels bad because nothing does damage

Thats tuning

[latent moss]

no i said it feels bad

cause if ms doesn't crit if blord and tact dont perma proc

it has no real rotation

[vast hinge]

No Colo ST feels bad because you had no buttons to press sometimes

[vast hinge]

Not at the high keys

[latent moss]

the moment blord and tact stop proccing

spec devolves to spamming slam

praying it procs tact

[pulsar frost]

This is indeed factual

Same thing for slayer to no?

[latent moss]

no blord gameplay is awful in general

[latent moss]

sd feels good at least

[pulsar frost]

That's true

[latent moss]

but it also devolves to slam spam

the moment procs stop proccing

[pulsar frost]

I like parts of both hero. Col feels fun and good in aoe. Slayer feels good gameplay wise in ST with SD tho tuning and proc changes is kinda meh

Slam still bad ability

[latent moss]

colo is peak in aoe

[pulsar frost]

Col very fun in aoe

[latent moss]

i mean slam isn't the issue

[pulsar frost]

Its my enjoyment. The only reason I deal with shit ST is cause aoe is fun

[latent moss]

its a last resort filler

[pulsar frost]

Which is often in ST since no procs

And sometimes in aoe when no procs as well

[latent moss]

the problem is that we press the last resort way too often

our cds feel like nothing

[pulsar frost]

Avatar feels lame on arms imo

Smash is smash

[latent moss]

they dont change what we press

how often etc

removing iftk was such a mistake

[pulsar frost]

Whats iftk

But avatar giving just 20% is lame

[latent moss]

in for the kill

[pulsar frost]

What it do

[latent moss]

gives haste when u cs

[pulsar frost]

I haven't touched arms in a long time before this season

[pulsar frost]

That sounds not too bad

[latent moss]

10% if above 35

[minor gust]

iftk never left it just got put into other cds

[latent moss]

20 if below

[latent moss]

Mickey mouse version

[minor gust]

of course wouldnt be a warrior rework if that wasnt the end result

[latent moss]

classic warrior rework

hmm how do we take something tbe community universally loved

and butcher it for no reason at all

[wind hatch]

W Blizzard

[minor gust]

https://i.imgflip.com/amgm6l.gif

[keen siren]

Everyone ready to play slayer tomorrow

[pulsar frost]

I will play a key or 2 to try it out but I doubt I'll stick to it in keys. Col gonna still be the better m+ hero

[keen siren]

Idk I think slayer will pump

And the st will be so much better than Colo

[rose matrix]

I mean

Slayer will probably be better in AA at least

[latent moss]

hmm let's not add manaforge 2pc

[pulsar frost]

St is always better then colo. But coko pumps aoe

[rose matrix]

Maybe even MT

[latent moss]

thane fury will be better than both

[rose matrix]

Yea

[keen siren]

Slayer fury might be good too

[rose matrix]

Well

[wind hatch]

yeah in any key you would want to play slayer you just play fury

[keen siren]

Big buffs

[wind hatch]

unless you specifically want to play arms

which is me ig

[rose matrix]

I doubt Thane will be better than Colossus in dungeons you can get cleave onto the bosses

[latent moss]

u cant in algethar

[rose matrix]

But Thane for sure for places like AA

[pulsar frost]

Clicking op over ms feels not the greatest in aoe imo

[sudden fox]

All my gear is crit haste

Rip fury

[latent moss]

u can ms over op for an insignificant loss

[pulsar frost]

But then no cleave procs

[latent moss]

what cleave procs

[pulsar frost]

Its fun tho hitting op cleave op cleave 3 times in a roll

Idk what it is but doesnt op sometime refresh ms and cleave

[latent moss]

only ms

[pulsar frost]

Hm

[latent moss]

called battlelord

[pulsar frost]

Swear cleave just pops from 3 sec cd to up at times when I hit op

[latent moss]

long gcds probably

low haste idk

[pulsar frost]

I have almost 1k haste

Surely it'd not low

And a guidon

[minor gust]

Slayer massacre x2 CT execute spam you ready?

[latent moss]

i curss you with no sky fury

voodoo

[minor gust]

[golden zinc]

arms more dmg or fury in keys?

[clever stream]

I love building two sets 🥲

[rose matrix]

So what are we thinking? Thane for AA, MT? Maybe NPX and SR?

[pulsar frost]

Arms fine in NPX imo

[lean geode]

Thane for all of them because colossus is annoying to play

[dark minnow]

do i macro potion with avatar

[rose matrix]

I woudln't

I would just have potion on a seperate bind

You never know if you are going to want to hold it for a bit maybe for a damage amp or something like that

[minor gust]

Slayer arms in all keys no bias

[naive steeple]

guys, you think fury will pass us with this buffs?

[minor gust]

tbd

[lean geode]

Should be very close single target numbers

between slurry and slarms

[prime swift]

Is slayer going to be better than colossus tuesday for M+?

[lean geode]

arms still better for dragons and paladins, I think everything else is just a play what you want / what your raid needs angle

[lean geode]

Unlikely but it's probably not trolling to play slayer either

slayer might be good for like AA

[prime swift]

I do miserable damage as slayer in M+. Like 120k overall at the end. My bladestorm unironically heals mobs. Colossus feels great. Idk what I'm doing wrong

[lean geode]

Well slarms isn't really made to do big overalls

It's made to do single target when you can't drag adds onto boss to funnel

[prime swift]

like I watch videos of people peak to 600k dps in algethar DURING bladestorm, which means there's no room for error. Mine does like 300k on that pull. No idea what is going on. I'm almost convinced there's a bug

[lean geode]

If you like colossus just play that tho

it'll still be good

[winged phoenix]

Male Orc Sounds fixed?

[minor gust]

Work on your bladestorm then

[vast helm]

what build you use right now?

[minor gust]

A build I wont be using tomorrow, but just use wowhead build

[vast helm]

[naive steeple]

wrongs talentes slayer haste/mastery colosso haste/crit

you can't sim and compare both if you are using same status/gear for both

[leaden garnet]

Why do you say Slayer takes mastery over crit?

Fury slayer does, but Fury's mastery is stronger and Arms gets extra value from crit via impale and crit autos generating more rage

[nova marsh]

Haste mast is feelsycraft

Or just what your own sims want

[quiet bramble]

That can’t be deadass right?

[vapid sable]

so is slayer going to be able to compete with colossus in M+ come tuesday?

[minor gust]

Slayer will do better than it is doing now

[naive steeple]

top fury all focus on haste mastery in the gear

[nova marsh]

Yeah uh

[naive steeple]

aa i talking about fury

[nova marsh]

This is arms

[naive steeple]

sorry

[nova marsh]

Oh

[naive steeple]

yeah

[nova marsh]

Lol

[quiet bramble]

[cobalt isle]

i dont press demolish unless i have 10 stacks of colossal might, unless it's first pull of dungeon (or they've fallen off due to long travel between pulls)?

[naive steeple]

I really want to know if I should craft a weapon and become Fury, or if Arms would still be better 🙁

[naive steeple]

You shouldn't press the button even on the first pull of the Dungeon; with a few hits you can quickly collect all 10 stacks.

[cobalt isle]

so if i have 0 stacks entering a pull, i'm ok to demolish at 5?

and to stack up faster in aoe, i should sweeping strikes into mortal strike because it will give me 3 each time?

[nova marsh]

Not nessiarily

Its crit rng

But you do want ms swept yes

[naive steeple]

Well, I don't see any high-level streamer pressing 5 on the first pull.

[cobalt isle]

do i care to demolish only when my colossus smash window is there?

[nova marsh]

So?

Did the streamers write the guide

Guide says press at 5

[naive steeple]

Okay, then keep pressing.

If you have Sweeping Strike, you'll get at least 2 stacks per mortal strike ; if you crit, you'll get 10 stacks in seconds with 3 mortal strike. But if you think and want to dictate to the guy what to press, then Go ahead.

[nova marsh]

...dude

Im going off wowheads prio

No need to be aggressive holy fuck

[naive steeple]

Was I aggressive? I gave my opinion and you were rude, you're following a Wowhead guide, for God's sake those guides are outdated and written in a simplistic way, If you really want to learn the class, you should follow those who understand and play with the class

[nova marsh]

...

Are you saying archi dosen't understand and play the class?

No sorry

[reef prairie]

yippee

[nova marsh]

that's rude as fuck

No longer a convo worth considering

[lean geode]

This just in: guides written to be applied generally are not always optimal in n=1 cases

[nova marsh]

And I gave general advice

[cosmic fossil]

[nova marsh]

But okay

Sorry, I'm spreading misinformation!

[naive steeple]

3 Mortal Strikes + Sweeping Strike and you're fully stacked, especially if the first pack is Lust, there's no point in pressing five with the speed at which you accumulate 10.

But ok

[carmine mauve]

Fuck it we press at 0

[reef prairie]

simply never press it

[carmine mauve]

Wait you're cooking

[naive steeple]

Hahahaha

[carmine mauve]

Big HoF btw gz

[nova marsh]

Just play fury

Fury don't care about sta- oh wait

[cedar cairn]

are you still using the wowhead build king?

[nova marsh]

aw cmon

you gotta have the sword onee

Shit I wish I had it

[minor gust]

it will be different with the buffs tomorrow

[naive steeple]

Will it be zug zug instead of zuug zuug?

[reef prairie]

ty :D

[hybrid needle]

Zugzug

https://tenor.com/view/world-of-warcraft-orc-angry-gif-12083808

[pulsar frost]

Do you plan to take the massacre talent you showed the other night

[minor gust]

I will be trying out the massacre + 2CT build yeah

[pulsar frost]

Lemme know how you enjoy it

[minor gust]

[pulsar frost]

I'll try the standard build in the 2 12s ima run for bonus rolls

When servers come up

[noble sandal]

do i cleave during ravager in ST?

[thick kelp]

as a filler below MS and OP and Exe

[nova marsh]

No we don't do that anymore post patch

[noble sandal]

even right now i mean

[nova marsh]

Currently, better to save rava

because slam with deep wounds is just better

[noble sandal]

okay thanks

[strong copper]

congratz!!

[minor gust]

Huge for Mpregmafia

[reef prairie]

fun fight when you're not in p1

thnak you :D

[minor gust]

holy actually skipped the worst part

[noble sandal]

cleave @ 2 targ?

[jolly cedar]

dumb question but is it ever normal to feel like there's not always a GCD to spend on arms?

[nova marsh]

with no shaman

Yes

[jolly cedar]

something i gotta get used to for sure, this is like the first spec ever on retail I've felt this

is there a guide or resource I can look at for this?

[nova marsh]

Weell

Are you playing colo is what I should ask first tbh

[pulsar frost]

There's always slam till you're rage deprived

Then you just afk till rage then get deprived again then repeat

[nova marsh]

Learn to charge weavee

[pulsar frost]

Tho slayer has less of this problem

[nova marsh]

[pulsar frost]

That sounds annoying and effort

I'll stay afking tyvm

[nova marsh]

It is

LMAO

Bro would rather afk then use chargee

based

[pulsar frost]

No I would have to run out THen charge

Fuck that

Not like we do good enough ST to justified that

[nova marsh]

true and having to charge weave without an aa timer

is honestly pretty cringe

[viral fiber]

Yooo so we slayer or colossus

[pulsar frost]

Could be funny memes watching a warrior leap then charge

[pulsar frost]

Both

[viral fiber]

What you mean both need the best one

[minor gust]

Thane

[viral fiber]

That is prot

Lol

[pulsar frost]

Actually fury thane

[nova marsh]

Blizz

give me my swing timer back

k thnx

[brave silo]

while youre there make the sweeping strikes buff bar have a fill

[viral fiber]

So fury > arms

We all swtichning now?

[brave silo]

Id reroll before I play fury

[pulsar frost]

Just make sweeping strikes passive pls or off gcd

[viral fiber]

But he said arms is not good now only fury

[nova marsh]

Na this isn't a fury show

[pulsar frost]

This actually windwalker show

[nova marsh]

I'm not rerolling monk

Besides

WW has to live in Brew's shadow. and fuck that

[viral fiber]

Even with buffs arms is in bad position now?

[nova marsh]

But fr

No

Arms is fine, aside from....Piss all ST for colo

[viral fiber]

Our choice is reroll or go fury?

[nova marsh]

Na

Cmon the doom isn't THAT bad

It's not like blizz nuked us from orbit. Fury realistically is just becoming on par with arms

[quiet bramble]

Reroll war(lock)

[nova marsh]

No

We do not support casters in this household

that's like

telling someone to reroll mage

almost as bad

[pulsar frost]

When I said both to yoy earlier I meant both is good and fine rn. Col has the better overall in keys but worse ST without funnel. Slayer is getting buffs tomorrow we dont know if it'll be better or not. But col probably still better in keys. Raid is the same being slayer expect vanguard

[pulsar frost]

Idk about on par. Maybe raid but not m+

Col slams to hard in overall

[nova marsh]

EEhh okay

beetter word

Closer together

Fury isn't completely overshadowed by arms

[pulsar frost]

Thane probably moved somewhat closer. But idk if the 5% buff is close to the overall

Slayer is catching up to thane tho

[nova marsh]

I think it's a big wait and see angle

I think thane in AA sounds pretty good

[pulsar frost]

Hm thane Aa

Haven't touched fury since I swapped to arms mid way into this season so far

[nova marsh]

Honestly

I wanted to play both this tier

But evreytime I went to play fury it was depressing

[quiet bramble]

I hate thane

[nova marsh]

and I was eeither misplaying so bad I should just go throw myself into a wall or fury was actually just p bad

That

And I kinda hate fury's apex with the rampage reduction ngl

[quiet bramble]

Wait tww slury

[pulsar frost]

I judt randomally decided I didnt wanna play fury for the season or af least at the time when I was doing my 15s then swapped to arms. Got more inviteds. Pumped and here we are

Fury i was getting like no invites man annoyed me

[nova marsh]

If I play fury its my own key

Cuz just no way

[quiet bramble]

Sign up as arms and change to fury

Does that work?

[nova marsh]

I think its other way around

[pulsar frost]

Sir are you ok

[quiet bramble]

Oops

There we go

Brain is not braining

[nova marsh]

I mean also

Idk what it is

But I dont....like midnight fury that much

[pulsar frost]

I've always been a arms enjoyer anyways back when I played before long break

Fury has nice look tho eith 2 weapons

[nova marsh]

I dont like dual welding ngl

(Says the rogue man)

[quiet bramble]

Outlaw almost had me

[viral fiber]

So our ST is dogshit we do half dps from other dps?

[pulsar frost]

Col has pretty bad ST without funnel in keys. Slayer is better. In raid our damage is not the greatest but not the worst

We're just mid

[quiet bramble]

Mid +

[nova marsh]

Same..then trickster was byffed

Amd then nerfed

And you STILL RUN THE SAME BUILD

LMAO

[viral fiber]

If we have funnel we do better ST damage or its just pad damage?

[nova marsh]

Better st

....and pad

[icy veldt]

@wispy timber likes using women and blaming his mental health

[pulsar frost]

We have the highest ST if we get funnel

[viral fiber]

We cleave the shit out on funnel?

[pulsar frost]

Kinda excited snd wanna try slayer fury again tomorrow

[pulsar frost]

Ye. 3 targets

[nova marsh]

....mods?

[icy veldt]

😭

[nova marsh]

Im more confused its unknown unsee

[quiet bramble]

Ngl i hate KS

[quiet bramble]

Kinda cope for it to hook me back

[nova marsh]

KS dosent belong

Its so....weird

Like you have crazy high apm

And then a channel

Oh wait thats just slayer fury

[pulsar frost]

Not even that long channel

[nova marsh]

I mean yeah

[pulsar frost]

Arms double the duration for some reason

[quiet bramble]

The old KS gives nausea feeling

[nova marsh]

Fury BS is pretty fast

KS is not

[pulsar frost]

Furys like 3.3. Slayers like 6

[nova marsh]

Oh you mean the one that randomly kills you

Yeah that shit is hilarious

[quiet bramble]

Teleport slashinh everywhere

Looks anime but uuuuuh

[nova marsh]

Aes not save from death

Genuinely

Dunno know what blizz was cooking with that. Lowkey sad I never got to play with it

[quiet bramble]

Blizz probably cant picture a pirate theme

[nova marsh]

Ehhh I feel like

they kinda nailed the swashbuckler

Expect it's a swashbuckler with a crippling gambaling addiction

[pulsar frost]

Stop this rogue speaking. This is bog boy arms

[copper socket]

in 2 target, what is the prio list as colossus?

[pulsar frost]

Its just the ST list

[copper socket]

so even slam over cleave?

[pulsar frost]

Can cleave when have 3 stacks but I believe so

[copper socket]

thanks brother

[quiet bramble]

I think wowhead has it all

[nova marsh]

Okay so

Ice cold take

Literally a take so cold it can refreeze the polar ice caps

Rework arms

[quiet bramble]

Bro the bte animation is more of a western cowboy stuff

Haywire flopping through

[hybrid needle]

Go play outlaw

[nova marsh]

No

You can't make play trickster

[quiet bramble]

Naw i just go straight back to warrior

[reef prairie]

I was so scared we weren't gonna make it

We were like 2s from blowing up

[quiet bramble]

Even unholy didn’t hook me

Frost, almost

[hybrid needle]

Remake arms in whatever the f trickster can do

[nova marsh]

DUDE

I STG

IF ARMS HAS TO PLAY AROUND A STUPID FART CLOUD

I WILL RIOT

Holy SHIT burn it

[hybrid needle]

Give warriors a fog of War that does the same stuff

[nova marsh]

Dracz, I hope you fall into a pile of legos you forgot about from 15 years ago

[quiet bramble]

Make ravager into an aura?

[pulsar frost]

[hybrid needle]

Thats rude

[nova marsh]

It's okay

[hybrid needle]

You wanted arms rework and i offered an idea, now you hate it

Smh my head

[hexed saddle]

yeah cause its a bad idea

[nova marsh]

I hate thee cloud

that's like

asking for spear to come back as rune of power

Bro could you imagine

[hybrid needle]

I mean

Prot plays with ravager proc instead of ravager itself

Lets base everything on arms around that logic

[nova marsh]

instructions unclear

CS is now a proc

MS is now a proc

Overpower is a proc

You only have slam

Spam slam till u get ur buttons back

[hybrid needle]

Sounds about right

[quiet bramble]

Spam slam

[nova marsh]

Let's become the melee version of frost mage

[quiet bramble]

Orc’s slam animation is kinda acceptable

[hybrid needle]

Or, hear me out

Lets keep stuff as it is.. but remove slam

[nova marsh]

So essentially

go back to DF arms and give us infinite OP...

You know

genuinely I'd be okay with that

[hybrid needle]

No

As i.

As in

You sit there for 2 seconds waiting for something to come off cd

[nova marsh]

Oh so

literally we just afk more often

GENUIS

[hybrid needle]

Im just helping you with your rework

[nova marsh]

Blizzard knows arms is the spec you wonna be able to get up and grab a cup of coffee during

[hybrid needle]

Are you angry yet

[nova marsh]

on a real note thou

[hexed saddle]

down for us to go back in time to when OP wasnt a rotational button

[nova marsh]

For an actual rework

I think I'd do something with colo to give it ST

[quiet bramble]

Bro tryna spike cortisol fr

[hybrid needle]

Thing is, if they rework arms theyd have to rework fury too imo

[nova marsh]

I mean honestly

[hexed saddle]

GOOD

[nova marsh]

I think fury is overdue for a rework

Even the base with rampage is....a decade old

[thick kelp]

Fury is perfect wym

[nova marsh]

I think warr in general is overdue for a rework

[hexed saddle]

shut the fuck up

sorry

[nova marsh]

na I'm with xan

Remove rend

[hybrid needle]

The base idea is fine. Build big rage, spend big rage. But your options are just shit

[nova marsh]

redo the apex

[thick kelp]

waaow

[hexed saddle]

i said sorry

[nova marsh]

But like

[thick kelp]

that was a reaction to them buffing outlaw by 9% on reset

[spark mango]

the fact that i can now change target freely with fury is big enough improvement for me, zug zug

[nova marsh]

Still barely breaks even on the nerfs btw

[nova marsh]

Thank you for reminding me of how frenzy used to work

I hate it

[quiet bramble]

Fury is… it needs to be better

[spark mango]

outlaws will make you sweat in most keys already this week

while doing double your St

[nova marsh]

I mean

yeah that's like

Outlaw's whole thing

Great ST, okay AoE

[hybrid needle]

For fury:
Remove OF
Remove Rend
Give an actual multitarget ragespender that doesnt require improved ww stacks to work (aka sth like smoke powder bomb)

[spark mango]

it was never outlaw's thing to burst like feral while being top ST damage

[nova marsh]

I have no frame of reference due to not playing feral, or playing with feral

But like

[spark mango]

i mean they actually have burst aoe

[nova marsh]

Currently ST is pretty much what law is clinging to for keys is what I'm sayin

[spark mango]

that was never their thing

[hybrid needle]

Feral has aoe burst and no st

[nova marsh]

Oh

so feral is Colo arms

[hybrid needle]

No

[pulsar frost]

Yes

[hybrid needle]

He has burst but no const dmg

[quiet bramble]

Lol

[nova marsh]

yes but

[hybrid needle]

More like uhdk without st

[nova marsh]

they have no ST

Oh

There ya go

[pulsar frost]

Does like no melee have ST this season

[spark mango]

this is a arguably the best rouge season

make your key, invite arms feral resto and brew

get title

[hybrid needle]

Rogue has insane st

[blazing solstice]

Ret kek

Pink panties pumps

[pulsar frost]

Idk i havwnt seen a ret do much ST

[hybrid needle]

When i invite Outlaw and they dump 110-120k on a boss... im crying in tankdmg

[nova marsh]

Yeah

sounds about right for law

With reasonable RNG'

[blazing solstice]

Raid wise its monster just the m+ build is kinda meg

[spark mango]

and your aoe is not high enough to make up for it, but hey that 5% for outlaw is essential

[pulsar frost]

Taking about key bosses

I feel like no melee spec rn has that good ST in keys

[nova marsh]

ignoring that they literally shot outlaw's orginal .5 buff in the same update

[nova marsh]

As we've been mentioning

outlaw does

[spark mango]

i meant 5% buff we give them

not blizzard

[pulsar frost]

Ye but outlaw

[nova marsh]

yes I know

outlaw is trash

[gray maple]

any one count how many % dmg buffs we have gotten since the prepatch when everyone was telling blizz arms was terrible? are we up like 50% from then

[pulsar frost]

I used to like to take MM hunters but they're not good rn

And I'm and surv is ehhh

[nova marsh]

MM got a random rework

for no reason

and made them worse lol

[spark mango]

just take feral and outlaw, there are no downsides

[pulsar frost]

Fereal does no sT