wel i mean i dont' think next season tier will be much stronger for slayer ST than current season tier
#arms
umbral badger
pulsar frost
Col tier is really good rn better then slayers imo
dim basalt
ye but not nearly enough
nova marsh
Once upon a time “seasons” were called “tiers”
It's bfa's fault
umbral badger
Col tier is really good rn better then slayers imo
in ST slayer , in AoE col
pulsar frost
You can upkeep smash for so long on more then 1 mob in aoe
umbral badger
at least that's my opinion
pulsar frost
I mean the upkeep is the same in st for col
umbral badger
it is not
nova marsh
I mean the upkeep is the same in st for col
That's a lie
pulsar frost
Since you're gonna be mortal striking anyways
nova marsh
Read unhinged
pulsar frost
You're still gonna mortal strike in both builds no?
umbral badger
I mean the upkeep is the same in st for col
BS mortals extend the CS. f
no
cuz unhinged hits more mortalsx
so you are bladestorming
pulsar frost
Ah you're talking about BS
pulsar frost
I dont play much slayer anymore so
pulsar frost
that's the entire reason the Tier is crazy for slayre
Again I do more col arms in keys so thats all I really know or care for
umbral badger
Again I do more col arms in keys so thats all I really know or care for
that's fine, you just were confident in the statement that slayer and col ST from tier is the same :p but yes is much better for slayer. you get like 10 seconds or something extra cuz of BS and all the mortals
nova marsh
slayer in aa gonna go hard af again
flat willow
ofc it's not completely accurate but I'd say you'll still play col in everything but academy and skyreach
nova marsh
that's fine, you just were confident in the statement that slayer and col ST fro...
for slayer in aoe it's like 50% uptime on one mob I swear
pulsar frost
slayer in aa gonna go hard af again
Is it tho
pulsar frost
But is it really
flat willow
col feels miserable in academy
nova marsh
😭
umbral badger
3rd is slayer next patch
yea i was saying that slayer might be better for keys cuz i think that 20k higher ST is much better than a bit more AoE imo
nova marsh
Let me have this
flat willow
sure your overall will be higher
pulsar frost
Feel col is fine. Espically with biz build
nova marsh
Colo is fucking awful in academy
tacit crystal
cope
flat willow
but if you wanna time I'd say slayer is better
flat willow
just let the other dps pad
pulsar frost
Isn't that bad man
nova marsh
Hvae to restart
flat willow
before the bird
umbral badger
for slayer in aoe it's like 50% uptime on one mob I swear
yes in AoE if there is a prio target you could extend a CS for almost as long as the next CS . i tried it on dummies before but before we lost 1 cleave.
flat willow
after the bird
flat willow
and when you walk to the last part of the dungeon
pulsar frost
You just have to MS at the very last up of mob
nova marsh
lol he already said it
lusty lantern
❓ - When doing ST as Colossus and all CDs are available, what becomes my priority after I Ravager? Does Cleave just fill, or do I prio Cleave because of increased damage and refreshing Demo?
nova marsh
❓ - When doing ST as Colossus and all CDs are available, what becomes my priorit...
do not press ravager in ST
Just forget it exists
lusty lantern
Oh wow okay
flat willow
I'm not saying colossus will do less overall than slayer in academy after the patch
nova marsh
And don't press cleave either
flat willow
I'm saying slayer's damage will be much more useful
than stealing the pad from the other dps
olive nest
I press ravager in ST because I macro guidon to it lol
umbral badger
for slayer in aoe it's like 50% uptime on one mob I swear
in fact there is a good argument that slayer can do something decent with funneling although i doubt anyone tried funneling for slayer as they do for colossus "say on pit first boss" but if you funnel as slayer on that boss and then you open with mortal+3cleaves +mortal + bladestorm for example i think you will just get a 30 sec CS
lusty lantern
And don't press cleave either
That makes sense to me, just figured maybe after Ravager that Cleave comes in - thanks for confirming
flat willow
yeah sure col will do one gorillion damage on the first pack and first boss
lusty lantern
Tyty, very helpful
pulsar frost
I press ravager in ST because I macro guidon to it lol
No guidon on avatar and/or smash macro?
nova marsh
in fact there is a good argument that slayer can do something decent with funnel...
That honestly sounds interesting
I hope bozo tests slayer in pit
pulsar frost
I macro them all together. Click smash when need without avatar
umbral badger
That makes sense to me, just figured maybe after Ravager that Cleave comes in - ...
right now you could make the argument of cleave + ravager under 35% but since it is not as impressive as it used to be, you just better save ravager for the next add pack.
pulsar frost
Hmm all these brewj tech i have to try
umbral badger
I hope bozo tests slayer in pit
biz would defo try that if suggested to him, he always jumps on interesting ideas that could push dps.
pulsar frost
Is ravager 1 30?
I always assumed you want the haste with smash and avatars buff as well
Cause you know like damage
dim basalt
Well you dont use rav without cs
scarlet widget
what is our rotation with ravager do we pop avatar and smash before it or after and then do we put a mortal strike in there somewhere?
last saddle
I press ravager in ST because I macro guidon to it lol
this is a waste of a gcd in st then 😭 unless you're pressing it in between gcds so the ravager doesnt actually go out
realistically you arent ever casting ravager wtihout cs so its not a big deal, you just really want the haste during cs so you can extend it as long as possible
pulsar frost
Not in ST unfort 
woeful blaze
Not in ST unfort <:KEKW:1486426802762154225>
Nah but demolish is fun
Fishing for sd procs is cringe
woeful blaze
SD dont matter for col anyways
Ye i know but it does for slayer is what i mean
hardy ice
ok please excuse me im just a rogue main....
where the fuck is heroic strike? the wowhead rotation mentions it but i cant find the spell.... please spare me
sand hazel
ok please excuse me im just a rogue main....
where the fuck is heroic strike? th...
apex talents
pulsar frost
Its slam
last saddle
its kind of like a rogue
pulsar frost
When it procs
last saddle
its hidden in the spellbook
hardy ice
ah ok im only level 80 so that makes sense
so slama nd heroic strike are one button
ty
pulsar frost
Yes
olive nest
this is a waste of a gcd in st then 😭 unless you're pressing it in between gcd...
It’ll be okay the .05% difference on a M+ boss for the global isn’t going to be noticed by my skill level xd
Ravager global before Ava+cs
Ez game
dusty gazelle
Fishing for sd procs is cringe
How do you fish for it?
Isn’t it haste depended proc per minute?
woeful blaze
How do you fish for it?
By pressing other buttons? Idk man I just vibes based dps
dim basalt
SD procs on auto attacks
woeful blaze
I have no clue how the sd proc actually works and that's probably why I like colossus more
dim basalt
Not abilities
olive nest
You dont fish for sd procs
dusty gazelle
Ok my world is peaceful again, thanks.
brisk orbit
are the buffs significant? outsidfe of reap the storm for M+ none of those are a huge part of our dmg
dusty gazelle
Thought I had giga misplayed by not „fishing“ with some new interaction.
woeful blaze
Thought I had giga misplayed by not „fishing“ with some new interaction.
I was spreading misinformation, my bad big dawg
olive nest
The overpower one is nice for Colo if you swap to overwhelming finish for more ST
dusty gazelle
I was spreading misinformation, my bad big dawg
All good. Happens. ❤️
brisk orbit
not enough to have us go back to slayer for m+ surely?
olive nest
Fish sims comparing builds
I personally would run Colo always with the only exception being maybe AA because it’s so much ST
brisk orbit
im OOTL, wtf is biz build? i havnt been looking at the websites in a couple weeks, just vibing
last saddle
its biz gbuild
dim basalt
is it this collo build with more of of the ST talents?
ye
olive nest
ashen salmon
Lads what do ya think - will slayer be viable?
hot current
Why cant they buff our ms
It feels so bad hitting like 20k with our strongest ability
nova marsh
It feels so bad hitting like 20k with our strongest ability
buffing ms dosen't help the variance
that being said
Yeah I wish they'd do undo the seasonal nerf of MS already
olive nest
They took the power from ms to make the flashy new heroic strike proc do damage
nova marsh
They took the power from ms to make the flashy new heroic strike proc do damage
And then nerfed ms
For literally no reason
topaz python
Yeah I wish they'd do undo the seasonal nerf of MS already
they actually undid the ms nerf from prepatch in 12.0.1 as far as I remember
nova marsh
they actually undid the ms nerf from prepatch in 12.0.1 as far as I remember
Did they?
I thought. 1 all we got was the 10% aura buff
topaz python
yup, we got like 15-20% ms buff twice in the midnight if I'm not mistaken
nova marsh
Maybe im crazy then sorry
I remeber in tww it took till s2 for them to undo that shit
topaz python
pulsar jacinth
This is my equip, keep in mind that i have a mythic weapon (from PoS) ready to be used, What Embellishment should i craft to replace my now equipped sword?
nova marsh
Ahhh okay
pulsar jacinth
nova marsh
Thanks
pulsar jacinth
This is my equip, keep in mind that i have a mythic weapon (from PoS) ready to be used, What Embellishment should i craft to replace my now equipped sword?
nova marsh
This is my equip, keep in mind that i have a mythic weapon (from PoS) ready to b...
Arcanoweave
Also is one of the garfrosts myth?
ivory tinsel
Just started rolling arms recently, is the buff coming the 5th actually going to boost Arms that substantially?
topaz python
Just started rolling arms recently, is the buff coming the 5th actually going to...
5-6% dps gain but actually its more like 2-3% because of deep wounds bug hotfix
nova marsh
Just started rolling arms recently, is the buff coming the 5th actually going to...
Its mostly making slayer a lot more relevant (from an m+ angle
fierce meadow
This is my equip, keep in mind that i have a mythic weapon (from PoS) ready to b...
Arcanoweave on cloak is my feelycraft instinct, you are gonna have to send a sim though
keen siren
do i replace solarflame prisim or heart of wind with puzzle box
those r my trinkets rn solarflame and heart
but i just got puzzle
last saddle
run while you still can
fierce meadow
depends on your stats. arms loves crit, if you're not at a DR point yet with it, I'd think SFP is better than HoW
sim it brother
keen siren
i have 30percent crit with flask
dim basalt
30% with flask isnt a whole lot
potent drum
Still hesitating on my weekly vault between Puzzle Box Myth and Torso myth, sim shows torso +1% dps while PB showing +3.2% using PB+Vorasius vs my current Gaze+Vorasius. That 3.2% seems odd tbh, anyone could advise?
fierce meadow
30 with flask makes me thing you for sure replace the HoW
nova marsh
those r my trinkets rn solarflame and heart
Run that
Dont run puzzle for your sanity
No ava bladestorm tech= fuck puzzlebox
Also sim
potent drum
Dont run puzzle for your sanity
I guess that also answer my question x)
heady ermine
How far behind fury is arms for raid, hc clear+ early mythic prog
vast helm
We good?
smoky kayak
5-6% dps gain but actually its more like 2-3% because of deep wounds bug hotfix
more like 8 -> 4, not sure where you got those numbers from because that's not what's reflected in #updates-midnight
smoky kayak
Still hesitating on my weekly vault between Puzzle Box Myth and Torso myth, sim ...
box can be really good, but it is annoying to play around, so if that's a concern then the gain might not be worth the effort
nova marsh
Archi
potent drum
box can be really good, but it is annoying to play around, so if that's a concer...
i dont mind using it in synch with big pull and cd, but I am concerned that the sim just use it on cooldown or weirdly, showing inflated numbers
hardy ice
!macro
hardy ice
ah ty
frail hearth
okay so these changes hmmmm
Slayer arms looks like its on the table for M+ in some way
maybe im crazy
dim basalt
maybe im crazy
depends - if you think it will be a thing in high keys then yeah youre crazy
nova marsh
depends - if you think it will be a thing in high keys then yeah youre crazy
AA
Ain't no way you don't run slayer in +20 AAs
Skyreach too
dim basalt
Skyreach too
Skyreach has plenty of funnel
nova marsh
Where
dim basalt
1st and 2nd boss
nova marsh
like half the bosses only spawn after evrey add is dead
Only if you have a class to pull through gate
dim basalt
Pull through wall for first boss and cc single mobs before 2nd
I mean you wont see any tank besides monk
And they can do that
ionic mica
i like brew meta 🙂 actually get a monk buff and dont have to worry about silly tank spells getting no threat like veng
or needing a perfect ppal to have cds for every single dangerous thing
ionic mica
surely its just rng whether any tank is any good then?
frail hearth
surely...>.>
nova marsh
The brew RNG feels so much worse
Because they can live for like 20 seconds
and then just fall over
ionic mica
in previous seasons i would be proccing a ppal who doesnt know how to manage their cds, a bear who taunts/moonfires whilst backpedalling instead of going into a pull, a vdh who generates 0 threat
nova marsh
Meanwhile other tanks you know within 5 seconds
ionic mica
all coupled with falling over randomly
frail hearth
I war prot tank and its clean
ionic mica
hero talents were the start of the death of enhance for me
took over the whole spec
was fun for a bit in tww but got old and then the new version just isnt for me
ionic mica
like you play totemic or stormbringer, not enhance
ionic mica
I get why
because it doesnt fit in their UI 😄
they never wanted to make a ui for any enhance stuff
they just held on until it wasnt possible
steep walrus
so starting raid rn
is the st slayer build on wowhead right?
and then is the one that says slayer multi target, is that the 2t version?
ionic mica
and then is the one that says slayer multi target, is that the 2t version?
yes, the 2t build drops the 2 points in bloodborne for 100% sweeping strikes damage and sweeping strikes on csmash
hardy ice
is there a way to macro mortal strike, slam, and heroic strike in one?
nova marsh
Don't
hardy ice
i dont see why you would use the mortal strike / heroic strike macroo
steep walrus
so a build I have for st has barbaric training instead of stance mastery
which one is better for st?
nova marsh
i dont see why you would use the mortal strike / heroic strike macroo
Because it breaks constantly
Even just HS breaks infinitely
nova marsh
the macro
ionic mica
which one is better for st?
they will be very similar, its some slam damage vs crit damage for everything
hardy ice
got it
muted drift
are rerolls on m+ stuck on the same key level or is it just anything above 10?
so you dont double up
nova marsh
are rerolls on m+ stuck on the same key level or is it just anything above 10?
...Explain
crystal rain
I think he means do you get duplicate protection if you rolled on a 10 then roll on a 11
muted drift
i know when they first came out people were saying if u rerolled a 12 then went and did a 10 they had different loot pools and the item from the 12 didnt count as "locked" for the 10
steep walrus
im seeing powerful momentum over improved sweeping strikes on 2 target build
nova marsh
i know when they first came out people were saying if u rerolled a 12 then went ...
They count no matter what
The reason why that was a thing was because the rolls were bugged on launch
and weren't striking off items at all
ionic mica
im seeing powerful momentum over improved sweeping strikes on 2 target build
if you play broad strokes you get 100% uptime on sweeping strikes anyway, so you dont need improved sweeping
muted drift
thought that was the case was just wanting to make sure
nova marsh
Ye all good
ionic mica
as long as you csmash, use all your sweeps, then cast the actual sweeping strikes, by the time you run out you should be back as csmash
hardy ice
if you play broad strokes you get 100% uptime on sweeping strikes anyway, so you...
how is it 100% uptime?
ionic mica
how is it 100% uptime?
okay to be fair it is ~90%
hardy ice
like by the time you use 12 globals colossal will be off CD?
ionic mica
but you get a lot more value out of the extra 25% damage on the swept hits
yeah
so you get 12 from cs
then use ss after they run out
you might have a few globals before you cs with no ss charges but you get a lot more value out of powerful momentum than a few extra swept hits
wet scroll
Whats the aoe comparison in m+ of slayer arms and collosus arms?
thick kelp
Whats the aoe comparison in m+ of slayer arms and collosus arms?
Play colossus for everything as of now
hardy ice
is there a way to get the heroic strike proc on the blizzard CDM?
thick kelp
is there a way to get the heroic strike proc on the blizzard CDM?
Track slam on your essentail or utility bar
wet scroll
Yeah i'll keep my warrior benched if I still have to play colossus lol
hardy ice
ty
smoky kayak
i dont mind using it in synch with big pull and cd, but I am concerned that the ...
the sim uses it mainly on cooldown, aligned with major CDs
slow saddle
Rage buff when?😁
dusty gazelle
Yeah i'll keep my warrior benched if I still have to play colossus lol
Three buffs for slayer could become the reason for me to get back on my Warri after many many years.
icy atlas
Crawling upwards, slowly but surely. After getting buffed almost every week 🤣
umbral linden
Crawling upwards, slowly but surely. After getting buffed almost every week 🤣
that's the main thing that cracks me up
arms (and war in general) is in such dire need of a complex rework, that we need like a 1-2 month of tuning and pendulum swinging to be "not bad and potentially invitable"
not only arms' problem tbh
i still cant unsee the fact that unh and frost are actually best and worst specs in the game, with a ~40k difference
olive topaz
I don’t think Frost is that far behind is it
umbral linden
I don’t think Frost is that far behind is it
i guess that too, but mdps numbers are still a thing more or less
i just look at the overall difference
well, udk is 11k up from 2!!!nd place even xd
jc, favourite melee
ionic mica
fdk is likely totally fine, it just isnt unholy atm
and suffers from all the issues normal melee specs have that uh ignores
umbral linden
whoever said GW2 warrior was peak
do i need to announce this overused joke?
or do we just accept our fate as war mains?
nova marsh
Man
I accepted my fate long ago as a warr main
Like
In bfa
Maybe shadowlands when fury was the worst spec in the game for raid for a minute there
Still love arms
umbral linden
Still love arms
same
umbral linden
next hedge
How do you sim for m+ ?
Dungeon slice really Gates Puzzle Box for some reason and 5mins 5 Bosses recommends Double on use
nova marsh
https://tenor.com/view/yes-gif-23313312
This is actually arms LOL
umbral linden
also wanted to ask as a returning player
is there a point in history when arms was like good-good?
uneven stump
Arms or fury best for raids with upcoming buffs ?
nova marsh
probs still arms
clever crag
such high skill cap
nova marsh
This is my vacation from wow
clever crag
I should go back to that game lol the pvp was so good
split zinc
whoever said GW2 warrior was peak
Axe and Shield was so lit
nova marsh
It's between this, ESO, or warframe
clever crag
didnt have to engage in any pve bullshit
nova marsh
or I could actually finish pragmata
clever crag
you prolly need the newest xpack for the saucy build tho
unless its thief
thief had one meta build for the whole game lol
torpid herald
u guys playing ST colo build on Skyreach?
hollow lake
aue pro time
nova marsh
u guys playing ST colo build on Skyreach?
no
rain lion
not now
next patch when the buffs are on
reset*
btw does puzzle box sim better than haze and heart for you too guys?
idk if its me or some weird bug
sim always goes puzzle box 276 > gaze 276 > heart 276
both multitarget and st
hushed patrol
prism beter than gaze for me
lofty wave
in <3 target does one hold demolish for collosus smash? it feels like i have enough cdr in 3 target to send it whenever and i'll still get one under collosus but without the cleave CDR idk wtf i'm doing
granite swift
So….slayer fury is the highest pure ST now?
ionic mica
btw does puzzle box sim better than haze and heart for you too guys?
itll just depend on what stats you have and what parameters you are simming, what are you simming in terms of time and targets?
ionic mica
in <3 target does one hold demolish for collosus smash? it feels like i have eno...
if you get demo back with ~10s left on cs cd then you can send, but you can also hold it for cs it isnt a big difference
probably more at the mercy of ms crits than in 3+ targets
lofty wave
tyty
wraith lichen
you prolly need the newest xpack for the saucy build tho
Aside from some funny heal stuff, the newest one isn’t super needed dps wise for warrior
carmine tartan
yo is there a fix for the 2h weapons transmog bug when you swap between fury/arms?
smoky kayak
you don't need to ask the same question in every channel
carmine tartan
you don't need to ask the same question in every channel
just in 2
smoky kayak
that's still one too many, so please refrain
forest dove
so is it expected that this tuning could bring us back to some keys are col, some are slayer?
or is it still just gunna be full col
rare kite
so is it expected that this tuning could bring us back to some keys are col, som...
i can see 2 potential slayer keys. rest are col forsure
forest dove
which 2?
rare kite
skyreach and algethar
vocal flicker
skyreach and algethar
might be nexus too
hushed topaz
Probably comp dependent on if you need more ST vs AoE for your group but I think Colo will always do more overall
solemn fractal
yo is there a fix for the 2h weapons transmog bug when you swap between fury/arm...
is one of them set to a artifact appearance? for me it fixed by setting "arms - artifact" to ignore slot
forest dove
yeah, certainly no contest for overall.. but boss dam is much more pivotal in some keys, like mutou is getting at
rare kite
might be nexus too
hmh maybe
undone aurora
does anyone mind takinga look at my arms logs? in 17-18 keys I feel like my damage is really low compared to what it could be but I can't figure out what i'm doing wrong
according to warcraft logs compared to other arms warriors in the same key level i'm botton 9%
unreal mountain
am i the only one who tinks that Collosus arms feels terrible to play ? specially ST and rage starve? im an arms main since years but i cant force my self anymore , it feels horrible
daring prairie
carmine tartan
is one of them set to a artifact appearance? for me it fixed by setting "arms - ...
might've been it yeah
when i swap to arms and then back to fury my offhand would lose transmog
manic pasture
What's do yall thinks gonna be the best for M+ after tuning? or specifically arms which hero talent
leaden garnet
@smoky kayak #updates-midnight says the impact on Colo is minimal, but Colo is still gaining a big buff to MS and OP and doesn't even take DW so the bugfix doesn't change their ST (nobody plays Colo ST, right?). Is Colo getting some other nerf?
Edit: I can't read mb
spiral gale
how do you guys pull skyreach first pull, at or above +18? do you split first pull or go for whole platform ?
wrong channel
undone aurora
can anyone infer where the issue might lie in my damage comparing these?
i'm left
most notably it's the cleave avg hits doing more
but what can I do about that?
leaden garnet
can anyone infer where the issue might lie in my damage comparing these?
Link the logs, not just the SS
We need to see things like time spent in the fight
undone aurora
sure 1 sec
if you don't mind could you also look at my log from today in help and log review
I feel like I am doing much less damage than I should
random bronze
Is there any list or bot command that shows what can I spell reflect? in dungeons
undone aurora
Link the logs, not just the SS
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/rwhAQBJjRG8fnHN6?fight=4&type=damage-done&source=3 mb I linked the compare this is the normal log
craggy steeple
Is there any list or bot command that shows what can I spell reflect? in dungeon...
U can reflect pyro in mt for big big dam
leaden garnet
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/rwhAQBJjRG8fnHN6?fight=4&type=damage-done&s...
I'll be honest, at a glance I am not sure what's wrong. I'm comparing you to my logs atm and you're casting less Rend, which means less rage generation and damage... but that's only like 1.5% of overall. You have 24 Avatar casts and 44 CS casts, which implies you're sending Avatar at times when you don't have CS
undone aurora
I'll be honest, at a glance I am not sure what's wrong. I'm comparing you to my ...
to be fair i'm not sure why I chose that log, it was from last week or even longer
it was just the one I was comparing at the time
I have one in log review that is from today
that was a mistake I think I already rectified
the avatar without CS
I just wanted to use the wclogs compare feature and that was the first log I clicked on at random from my profile
this one is more up to date
leaden garnet
It's up to date but it's also not completed
So necessarily things like CPM will be skewed toward AoE
undone aurora
uhhh, okay let me find a proper log that is completed
sorry im being messy
okay this one
@leaden garnet unrelated but here are some cats i've hugged this week given the name
paper gulch
Can that pussy bladestorm
leaden garnet
❤️
Unfortunately, I don't see any other major issues with your logs. There are some slight desyncs with Demo, CS, and Avatar, but they're not crippling. Your parse percentage for the key is also 52%, which is fine? Remember you're doing a +17 which means you're competing against other players who are capable of +17, which is single digit percentage of the playerbase
undone aurora
hmm okay
I guess maybe just practice and tryna really polish things up
I only picked up arms like 3 ish weeks ago
leaden garnet
Practice always helps, but also team comp
undone aurora
to be fair I find sometimes I struggle with my damage dependent on how the tank pulls
also should I always save rend for when the pull is fully gathered, even if it's taking quite a while?
if I feel the pull is taking a little too long to gather, sometimes I rend and CS
leaden garnet
You have a monk tank which is nice, but nobody else is providing damage buffs for you (aside from Time Warp). If you had an ele shaman instead giving you Sky Fury you likely would have done ~5k more damage and gotten a 75th parse instead of a 52
I usually apply Rend as I run with the tank to start generating rage from Bloodsurge and also to avoid pulling aggro
undone aurora
so rend as running, and then like, rend again when gathered?
bc by then it will probs be off cd
I take it I def wanna save CS for when everyone is gathered though?
not good to premature that?
leaden garnet
Yes, but that's a tiny optimization and I don't think it's worth fretting over. Honestly the ideal option is Rend as they're being gathered on as many as possible, then full send your burst, then Rend again when you're juggling CDs in between burst
Rend is nice to apply when your SS has almost fallen off since it doesn't eat a stack
Yes, save CS for when things are gathered
At minimum when 5 mobs are together
undone aurora
I think with CS sometimes i'm being a bit dumb bc like
theyre kinda like gathering up, nd I see the other dps start pumping
so i'm like oh shit gotta go
nd I pop cs to start getting my dps going
but maybe if I just wait like, 2 more seconds to fully gather
warm plover
Hey guys anyone can TLDR me quickly on colossus arms st? i keep being 45k with 282 on 16s, idk what i am doing so wrong
undone aurora
I would probs be smarter
vocal solar
Hey I started midnight 4 days ago , watched biz guide , my friends rushed me to 278 but I still do close or less than 60k st when my friends do 90+ is that normal or am I cooked
warm plover
Whats the filler when MS is on CD
undone aurora
Whats the filler when MS is on CD
overpower, slam
at least what I do
I usually get about 60k on ST
but the ST does suck
leaden garnet
Hey I started midnight 4 days ago , watched biz guide , my friends rushed me to ...
Hang on, let me show you something really funny
warm plover
I know , thats what I do but most bosses is between 45k to 60k
vocal solar
Also for example 1st pull academy I do like 300-400k when they do 900
My question is
From my research I saw arms is kinda in a good spot
undone aurora
I know , thats what I do but most bosses is between 45k to 60k
arms ST is notoriously bad to be fair
vocal solar
Is it just false? There are 4k io arms
undone aurora
some of the worst in the game i've seen
woeful kelp
That’s a hard pull
fallow shuttle
Hey I started midnight 4 days ago , watched biz guide , my friends rushed me to ...
vocal solar
Bro dk this game how they allow average class doing 50% more
wind hatch
Also for example 1st pull academy I do like 300-400k when they do 900
arms has a very flat damage profile which means you wont really stand out on individual pulls but your overall should be very good
leaden garnet
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/68osAfC6UNga8eYrcfg91A
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9UWyew32ZAMmCRfHVFGw2z
Mmmmm yes 6k difference between tank and DPS damage
Very good, very good 👍
earnest imp
ahaha
leaden garnet
Also for example 1st pull academy I do like 300-400k when they do 900
Warrior in general isn't bursty currently, but conversely has extremely short cooldowns. Arms' big burst is CS+Demo, which comes up about once every 20-25 seconds
umbral linden
Also for example 1st pull academy I do like 300-400k when they do 900
i got 1.4kk peak burst from feral in aa 15 with 800k flat, while i peaked as 600k and 300-400ish flat
i was first at the end of the dung with 5-6k lead
so yeah
leaden garnet
Arms starts to shine in keys where you can CS twice or more per pull
umbral linden
just bam bam, arms is not peaking like hell
vocal solar
Ye I see ur output is more linear
But the 60k st vs 90 should be an issue
When u go to high keys
umbral linden
But the 60k st vs 90 should be an issue
tbh arms' aoe is so cracked now that you compensate for st
so you just need 1-2 st pumpers to not hit boss for like 4-5 minutes
and you good
leaden garnet
Yeah, Arms is very close to just flat out being the best AoE in the game
vocal solar
Ok so would u say we in a good spot?
leaden garnet
With Devo receiving small nerfs and Arms receiving bug fixes+small buffs next reset, Arms may take the crown for best overall m+ DPS
umbral linden
Ok so would u say we in a good spot?
especially with tuning, yes
leaden garnet
Yes, Arms is in a good spot in mythic+
vocal solar
I haven’t tried slayer yet and my last time on arms was in df
sand totem
I mean we dont get that fucking mongo aoe damage from monster pulls like UHDK. Cause soft caps
vocal solar
Tyy
vocal solar
Ye I see it being tanky with some nc cc
leaden garnet
Improved defensive stance + VV + SR + a bunch of other small things
umbral linden
cant say that arms is VERY tanky, but yes
also i cant find words to describe my love for arms' personal def
parrying is so good
vocal solar
But I feel like dmg is always the most important at the end
sand totem
I tried using DBTS to parry lura glaives
Quickly learned it cant be parried lmao
vocal solar
I’ve played bad st specs and when I reach 5min bosses game becomes hard
craggy steeple
They should make die by the sword do the same thing old retaliate did and make u spam auto when ur reflecting
umbral linden
They should make die by the sword do the same thing old retaliate did and make u...
ramping when tank dies, yisss
craggy steeple
This is the buff warrior truely needs
wintry dome
parry + aoe taunt for damage lets go
vocal solar
Last q, is there an apl somewhere here?
dark ledge
Sounds like mandatory shadowmeld build
wind hatch
Last q, is there an apl somewhere here?
vocal solar
https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/blob/midnight/ActionPriorityLists/defaul...
Ty good sir
mortal crag
SLAYER RETURNS TO BE A PLAY IN ACADEMY/SKYREACH/WINDSPIRE?
silk spade
why you yelling radish
quartz adder
Are we useing Lights potential or recklessness pot?
nova marsh
Are we useing Lights potential or recklessness pot?
Reck if you wonna minmax the living FUCK out of your gear, Light's potentional if you really don't want to bother
quartz adder
im currently in a gearing phase, so most likely potential then
wind hatch
just sim it
shy field
nova marsh
just sim it
here's the problem there
Reck actively fucks with sims
Becuase if you get a proc that influences reck, it influences the outcome of the sim
It's why the default (at least for warr) is potentional
wet scroll
Does anyone have that img/spread sheet of slayer vs collosus, and is it updated for the new buffs?
cedar cairn
SLAYER RETURNS TO BE A PLAY IN ACADEMY/SKYREACH/WINDSPIRE?
Going to try in all mythics since pugs never funnel bosses
terse nimbus
any chances i have to swap to fury after buffs? only know how to play arms and all my gear is crit/haste
or slayer will be ok for raid still
weak rain
terse nimbus
sounds good, ty
this was my first week as warrior in mythic raid
not good at all haha
but still learning
grim oasis
4 bonus rolls, no pit wep
ebon tendon
new parse strat
nova marsh
Oh god
nova marsh
There's an addon for it now
I just use arc for mine
And it's really hard to ignore the pulsing Dstance icon telling me to turn it off
ebon tendon
just helping with an alt clear but redemed myself and got my first 99 on warrior :3
nova marsh
not so mid afterall ehy
ebon tendon
L E A R N I N G
craggy moon
which openner for 5 targets is better?
stable fiber
which openner for 5 targets is better?
the first 1 assumes no prestacks and the 2nd one assumes prestacks afaik
but
if you have prestacks which you should almost always, you do the 2nd picture
although i typically do ravager before avatar + cs
if no stacks you do first picture
storm cedar
Hey question for someoen who just swapped from fury to try arms. What is more important, lining up CD's or using asmany as ai can? my demolsih seems to come up faster than my colossus smash and im wondering if i should hold it to line up or send it more?
also, how trustworthy is wowheads rotation info for arms?
wind hatch
Hey question for someoen who just swapped from fury to try arms. What is more im...
in aoe you send demolish if cs cooldown is > 10 seconds
for every other cooldown you just send whatever you have with cs
storm cedar
kk ty
wind hatch
also, how trustworthy is wowheads rotation info for arms?
its very accurate for the most part
viscid fossil
im trusting the fury guidewriter more
wind hatch
another question, we do ST rotation on 2 targets right>
yes, the only meaningful difference is that you get collateral damage stacks
if you have 3 collateral damage stacks you press cleave > slam
storm cedar
dope ty a ton
quartz adder
Do you guys think we will play Slayer in M+ after buffs? Or still play Colossus?
dry canopy
Do you guys think we will play Slayer in M+ after buffs? Or still play Colossus?
still colossus
quartz adder
Fuck 🙁 i was hoping i could press execute and do damage again 🙁
proper moth
Not yet unfortunately
minor gust
You can very much play Slayer. It's not bad and it's better on Tuesday
proper moth
Arms needs more than dmg tuning
quartz adder
I love the slayer execute, and im not doing 18s so might play some slayer m+
minor gust
If you ain't doing 21s enjoy slayer if you hate Colo
proper moth
True but the key level isn’t the issue the pugs that want 4k io and meta comps are
While they sit at 220 ilvl
minor gust
Then it doesn't matter if you play slayer or colo cuz you won't be invited anyways cuz ur a warrior
minor gust
No
dry canopy
slaver fury MIGHT now be competitive with THane Fury but thats it... Critcake has a good video on it.
nova marsh
doom time
dry canopy
Thane fury is doing better in Sims than colo
not even.
minor gust
Colo has lost its aoe advantage
dry canopy
Funnel on Bosses in High keys Colossus is digusting.... maybe thane if youre in LFG low keys.. yeah it'll play better for you but colossus is by far ahead... and with tuesday colossus will stay ahead
minor gust
Yeah if you are in organized group with consistent funnel Colo likely still better
rose matrix
If Thane is doing better in sims it will do even better in keys
dry canopy
Yeah if you are in organized group with consistent funnel Colo likely still bett...
i've played Col Arms all the way to 19 resil in LFG no team and it was fine.
rose matrix
It is more consistent and cds always line up great for thane
minor gust
i've played Col Arms all the way to 19 resil in LFG no team and it was fine.
Never said it was bad
Either way I'll still be pushing keys as slayer arms
reef citrus
A bit late to the party here. Im here mixed opinions. Is fury Thans going to be better overall then Arms Slayer in m+?
minor gust
Considering slayer arms is probably the worst out of all 3 hero specs between arms and fury yeah thane will be a better pick over slayer arms
grim oasis
dry canopy
Considering slayer arms is probably the worst out of all 3 hero specs between ar...
Arty posted the sims/ % gains and critcake released a video. Biz gave his thoughts on it
its colossus arms even more now
minor gust
Well he said slayer arms not colo @dry canopy
stable fiber
Considering slayer arms is probably the worst out of all 3 hero specs between ar...
do you think on some bosses like vorasius that die quickly (heroic for example), should i wait till execute to pop it
minor gust
stable fiber
reck pot**
forgot to add that into the sentence
i feel like my opener dps is like 100k regardless of pot
minor gust
do you think on some bosses like vorasius that die quickly (heroic for example),...
Maybe next week might be worth with execute buffs.
stable fiber
ic
dry canopy
Well he said slayer arms not colo <@855247295448088596>
he didnt go rewatch... you can see the sims.
minor gust
Execute be pumping
dry canopy
and slayer arms in RAID
minor gust
he didnt go rewatch... you can see the sims.
Bro what are you on about lmao
steep walrus
I dont understand why I cant seem to do very good in heroic raids as arms. Parsing like 40%
minor gust
If you are under geared its gonna be tough to parse in heroic
stable fiber
I dont understand why I cant seem to do very good in heroic raids as arms. Parsi...
gonna need more then just a couple words to help fix the issue
steep walrus
276 ilvl
steep walrus
Nss - bleedinghollow
Im 2 weeks into pve
Not sure how to read my logs to find out whats wrong
Not even sure how to read better players logs to see what they are doing differently
stray vault
do we know if arms will still be better than fury in pure ST?
reef citrus
Okay so we still doing Colossus in M+ . Good to know. Would hate to re gear for fury
reef citrus
I wish they hadnt nerf the sh*t out of Rts . Arms slayer fun ngl
reef citrus
Fr
steep walrus
Do any of you know of a good video to watch on arms?
hybrid needle
Proc Rate, Damage, at this point id take anything
minor gust
20% from just cleave is low af
reef citrus
Thats absolute bs. Shouldve atleast kept it procng off MS too
minor gust
Do any of you know of a good video to watch on arms?
if you are looking for some arms raid videos Shirly does some youtube fight guides for arms. Hes a good arms player
steep walrus
Thats crazy I legit just clicked on one of his videos
minor gust
he didnt go rewatch... you can see the sims.
watched Critcakes video he didnt show sims.
Here you go tho
dry canopy
In single target, Fury Slayer gains ~10% and Arms ~8%.
In multitarget, Fury Slayer gains ~10% and Arms ~6%. From Arty in Updates
smoky kayak
watched Critcakes video he didnt show sims.
that's cause they ain't done yet
dry canopy
While Col Arms is already ahead because of its insane amount of AOE and funnel for bosses
minor gust
that's cause they ain't done yet
still interesting to see how much thane caught up
even in 10T
smoky kayak
that's 8t actually
minor gust
yeah the pic aint 10t
smoky kayak
I did 8 because Thane prio changes at lower counts
lost blade
what combination of spec and hero talents are considered "easiest" to play?
minor gust
I cant really comment on fury but Slayer arms is very straightforward and a lot easier to play than colo
lost blade
I see, but it is to far behind tuning wise to be considered viable?
minor gust
whats the content you are doing?
minor gust
Slayers dmg is respectable you will still own in the 16 range. Slayer will also be getting a bit better next week with buffs. Yes it will still do less overall than colo but it will still do enough dmg required to time a key all the way till 20s
but again if you are looking for an easy spec to get into warrior, slayer is your pick to start building good habits on
hybrid needle
So youure saying i should play fury slayer again
minor gust
lost blade
but again if you are looking for an easy spec to get into warrior, slayer is you...
Gotcha, thank you for the input!
rose matrix
I mean Slayer and Colossus aren't that different
You just replace BS with Demolish and use Execute differently in Slayer
The usage differs but they aren't that different
minor gust
there aint but with colo proper positioning becomes much more important.
rose matrix
I agree but you're basically already doing that for Cleave and OP
ivory harbor
Hmmm why would wowhead post that article on hunters?
It’s not like they are the first class to get that treatment. Just generates discontent from players when their case is not even unique or the first time for any class.
steep walrus
Why do i see arms warriors using weapons like mythic algeth'ar hedgecleaver over crafted?
minor gust
Because a Myth track weapon is better than crafted
stable fiber
Hmmm why would wowhead post that article on hunters?
It’s not like they are the...
it was universally agreed that the state of mm hunter pre .5 was one of the best states it was gameplay wise
then it got moved into the worst state ever gameplay wise
and they got their niche's killed besides 3t
i dont think its a weird article
i think they needed a nerf, but instead of a nerf they killed the whole spec lmao
and made it not fun
steep walrus
Even if stats are worse? When I sim my hedge cleaver is worse than my crafted wep. Am I not understanding or doing sins correctly?
minor gust
are you simming with a embellishment replacement?
if you are just comparing the weapons that wont work because you are missing an embellishment
steep walrus
My embellishments are on my back and wrists
Also swimming my heroic gaze and heart, gaze is being beaten out by my heroic light company guiding
Guidon*
minor gust
then idk how your crafted wep is simming more unless your stats are fucked
stable fiber
link me the sim @steep walrus
pulsar frost
Khazix will fix everything
ivory harbor
it was universally agreed that the state of mm hunter pre .5 was one of the best...
Yea it’s sad but it’s not the first class that got such treatment.
That article just turned into more of a rant like only hunters got it. I wish it addresses how many other classes had similar instances. Else I’m afraid it just gives the impression like as though only hunters were ill treated when it’s really a class wide issue too.
Thanks for sharing btw 😊
sudden owl
Wowhead writer variance, but also wowhead hasn't been pulling any punches shitting on blizzard this expansion and I hope it continues
dreamy raft
flavor of the month player here...what spec is projected to better after patch?
polar hazel
Arcane mage is certainly a flavour
sudden owl
devourer will be meta the entire expac it's the new thing just play that
hybrid needle
p sure devdh will be whole xpac
uhdk always meta
cant go wrong with one of those
stable fiber
then idk how your crafted wep is simming more unless your stats are fucked
he was simming a 285 lucky keychain crafted wep with bis stats vs 285 hedgecleaver btw
i have fixed the issue though
minor gust
🫡
grim orchid
is that sim right? its saying that even a feather from champ is better (all the others are hero)
stable fiber
is that sim right? its saying that even a feather from champ is better (all the ...
the sim isnt saying the feather is better at all what
its saying it is significantly worse
or do you have puzzlebox and feather equipped as current gear
i also wouldnt ever take a hero track item from vault ever now
neon shale
Buffs go live on reset day?
reef glade
yes
grim orchid
or do you have puzzlebox and feather equipped as current gear
yes i do
rain fiber
are there sims for both arms and fury, + each hero talent considering the latests buffs?
grim orchid
i dont like puzzlebox though
me neither but i was testing to see whats was the dmg and saw this cause i dont have the vorasius trinket yet
and i hate having to cast the puzzle box
cause i was seeing everyone with the gaze of chimerus and i really think this trinket is so op, but dont understand why it shows its less dmg here
robust ridge
are there sims for both arms and fury, + each hero talent considering the latest...
You can scroll up, Frozen posted them earlier today; but they're not finalised yet
Archi posted just below it saying they're TBC
grim orchid
cause i was seeing everyone with the gaze of chimerus and i really think this tr...
but i think i will stay with the gaze and feather since i dont got vorasius yet, i always forget to use the box so its wathever
reef glade
what sim setting is that
200k seemsl ike alot
some aoe sim?
the length particularly mattering
sudden owl
they accidentally increased execute damage by 200% and not 20%
reef glade
if its a short duration sim like less than 2 minutes pbox would gain alot more value cuz its cooldown time isnt beingconsidered, so like if its a 1 minute sim for example then you get a powerful 2 min trinket for the first 20 seconds, and its not active for the next 40 seconds, but thats still 33% uptime on a ton of stats, where in a 2min or longer sim it averages out more accurately since you'll get multiple uses
regardless tho the sim being at 200k+ at all seems clear it is aoe and pbox is probably pretty bis in an m+ situation
only time i wouldnt use it for a sim that looks like those numbers is like paladins cuz that basically is a 3tar 5min patchwerk fight
and 2 passive trinks should be more than good enough if not the best looking at that
grim orchid
if its a short duration sim like less than 2 minutes pbox would gain alot more v...
yea its a 2 min with 3 adds
but i always forget forget to use it before the pack
so i think i'll stick to using the gaze and feather since i dont have the vorasius trinket yet
reef glade
ya thats not so bad, i think the only thing that could still be slightly skewing it is the likelihood that with all raid buffs on youre like lust/potting on top of cds also with the trinket, so wouldnt be surprised it looks much better for that reason, where if u did like 4 min or something and got 2 full uses and cd resets of puzzlebox itd prolly be a lot less good
but either way yea up to you
grim orchid
most of the times i only use it on the first pack with lust, after that i dont even see i have that trinket
reef glade
ya passive prolly the best then
grim orchid
thanks!
modest marlin
Am I doing something wrong if Gaze isn't simming better than Guidon and Heart?
grim orchid
does the dungeon slice works for arms? or i can use another to sim a M+ run better?
stable fiber
nah, was 6 min patchwerk
guidon is good if you lack haste
or dont have haste weapon enchant
from what ive noticed
typically when you dont have haste weapon enchant guidon sims a lot better
modest marlin
that might be it lol.
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tCyq9DJQWf8UdeHjdG8wLq sim result for the lulz, this is a pretty scrub alt, trying to decide if I wanna spend the rolls for a gaze.
reef glade
yea i mean neither of your rings having any haste is definitely a big hit
and would make guidon value shoot through the roof probably
playin with like 15% haste
grim orchid
doing the sim with the dungeon slice the trinkets seems better
reef glade
small immediate suggestion that may help a little bit is you can catalyze boots into rly good statted crit/haste boots which i believe are heavy haste
even if it doesnt tell you to not use guidon should probably pretty decent sim booster
modest marlin
my catalyst charges are a bit sparse still sadly, it's on the list eventually.
reef glade
yea whenever you get em neat thing to think about but it'll happen when it happens B)
other than that i mean gaze is still a good trinket and will likely win out with a little bit more gear optimization but if its just like a baby alt u dont plan on trying too too hard on not the end of the world
but like nexus ring 2set would be good, pit ring is great too
modest marlin
Right now I'm gonna be clearing out Skyreach cause it has a 1h/shield I want for tanking plus other tier slots
reef glade
tbh itd probably want you to get a haste enchant on your weapon really bad too, and could get some haste/crit gems too help it a bit
but yea i mean your gear will sort itself out as you play it more
but that other stuff just depends on gold ofc
modest marlin
I'm not sure why I put acuity on, it may have been the recommended for bis.
reef glade
acuity was good early season when we had less strength and the amount it gave was alot more meaningful
but probably like 275+ under normal circumstances just going for secondaries better typically either crit/haste enchant but think your situation will want you to get literally any haste u could possibly get
modest marlin
acuity is still listed as best on wowhead and that's likely why I did it.
reef glade
ya maybe idk if thats what is actually best at max ilvl it might be just kinda whatever the sim lands on but almost certainly its within like 0.5% dps of the other maybe even less
modest marlin
actually, that list may be way out of date cause it doesn't have eagle for the rings
grim orchid
acuity is still listed as best on wowhead and that's likely why I did it.
did it almost now too lol
reef glade
but perfect gear and perfect stats are alot different than 2 hasteless rings xd yea might be i wouldve thought wowhead is pretty up to date but it might also just be since bis lists are usually not good to follow to the letter
grim orchid
just to see the crit stat enchant is more used in murlok
reef glade
its only a bis list cuz its the combination of every piece of gear that ended up being the most dmg on raidbots but like... due to the nature of sims literally a gearset with like 10 different pieces could sim within like a % of the "supposed bis"
modest marlin
they buffed the crit effect ring enchant recently, made it pretty overbudget plus it scales with your other stats.
reef glade
yea that ench was already simming best for me since like week 2 of the patch but now it should be especially much more powerful than the others
modest marlin
Turns out 4% crit damage adds up FAST
reef glade
also no enchants on chest/legs
sorting out enchs and gems is probably close to 10% dps up for you ngl
and a 2nd embellishment with arcanoweave would be big too
either cape or bracer
grim orchid
i need to get some enchants too
just noticed the ones i have are the outdated ones
need to change the ench on rings and weapon
modest marlin
Oh I'm aware, scrub alt, she's getting there though. I was just surprised to see Gaze be beaten at all when my other characters gaze is like a solid 1-2% better than any other choice I can get.
reef glade
ya its fair question. but typically in a situation like that you just kinda compare what the "new trinket" is giving you vs what the old is giving you and look for reasons as to why it looks the way it does
haste trinket much better than "bis trinket" > u probably want alot more haste than you have > neither ring has haste when rings/necklace are the most secondary stat budgeted pieces u can get at the cost of no strength
modest marlin
Eyes of the Eagle has to get nerfed next season because it'll keep scaling in a way plain stat enchants just don't unless they intend for that to be the only choice til 13.0
reef glade
eh yeah idk what they'll do, cuz like... its not as though secondary stats gonna get any better
neon shale
yea that ench was already simming best for me since like week 2 of the patch but...
Which enchant is this?
reef glade
like where 30 extra mastery might be 1% more out of 20-30% overall, next season or two it could be 1% more out of like 40-50, and the small upgrade worth even less than it is now
eyes of the eagle crit dmg on rings
keen siren
slayer raid build for chimerius u dont use cleave talents right?
reef glade
probably not adds die way too fast
neon shale
O ye saw lots of warrs running it on murlok, it’s just flat 2% crit per ring?
reef glade
crit damage
so you crit, the crit does 4% more damage than it wouldve without that enchant
neon shale
Ohhh stronk
reef glade
along those lines maybe not exactly like that but same idea
modest marlin
they doubled it for some reason in a hotfix
neon shale
Think I have natures fury on mine atm
modest marlin
was like a 1% gain on my shadow priest main for just swapping 2 enchants.
neon shale
I’ll prob switch to that one after I get pit ring
How much base crit are you guys sitting at
I’m 31% I think
Not sure if there’s a sort of soft cap
polar hazel
over 30% you require more rating to go higher so yes
reef glade
idk if 30% is the exact point that happens but yea it does eventually, regardless robot should be accurately telling you how much of what stat to get as you sim gear
im like 34% with a flask and its still not technically into diminishing return territory but it wouldnt really matter even if it is, the thought behind it is that like "even crit at 90% value per stat is better than all the other stats" which is why u never pay attention to soft caps like that and just follow good ol mr raidbots
reef glade
im also wearing a haste/mast ring for nexus 2set since robot said so
only pieces without crit really are just my tier that ring and voidclaw gloves
neon shale
im also wearing a haste/mast ring for nexus 2set since robot said so
Also same
Waiting for pit ring
reef glade
yea i mean i have it too but dont think any reason to break nexus 2set for it
neon shale
only pieces without crit really are just my tier that ring and voidclaw gloves
I got some random ones from vault forgot name
reef glade
one of the 1 rings is also already crit/haste
neon shale
Crit vers though
reef glade
ya not ideal apparently 289 myth beloren gloves which are crit verse is worse than 276 voidclaw for me
neon shale
Well u also got the void hands which make it better
reef glade
which is kinda weird but hey maybe it doesnt like me losing haste too
neon shale
ya not ideal apparently 289 myth beloren gloves which are crit verse is worse th...
Ew
It’s the haste for sure
reef glade
only problem is couldnt really do anything about it with my gear other than like.. adding a socket lol
man i hope i win both these rings on the 2/3 chance i get next week and i get to take a socket
neon shale
We’re pretty much at the tippity top for gear rn anyways
reef glade
forced to take bonus roll would be very sad but i do require my myth nexus 2set or else
yea assuming my gear pans out i might b able to hit like 287 next week lol
since myth of the dawn kinda lets me cheat having alts buff crest reduction on main
neon shale
Massive testosterone
reef glade
only 2 things im missing that i cant immediately get are myth gloves and myth belt, hopefully just get given one off dragons or somethin if it ever dropped
reef glade
yea just done 0 rolls in pit and need nothing else from there xd
really hoping i see a voidclaw or even windrunner spire glove in vault
would take either immediately
so i dont have to potentially drop a month's worth of bonus rolls to get em
neon shale
God has favorites
reef glade
pls one of these 
grim orchid
is it worth it using bonus to get vorasius trinket on hero? or i should try pugging chimerus or voidspire to try getting it on myth?
full grotto
reef glade
if u have pretty good ilvl and think ur capable of doing it on myth almost certainly much better to do so
likely to be better to just use some early rolls to fill out myth gear from m+ rather than 1 heroic trinket u could get at any point as you are gettin the likely higher upgrade hero > myth armor pieces
full grotto
^
reef glade
and hey skyreach trinket is kind of a vorasius trinket lite so could farm that if you rly wanted to
grim orchid
likely to be better to just use some early rolls to fill out myth gear from m+ r...
im with 280 ilevel but i need to craft the cloak and have a 3/6 hero boots, but almost all my gear is the max myth gear i could get
since i dont have more slots on m+ i was thinking of pugging the raid
reef glade
yea at that point id say u def have rly good ilvl to attempt mythic first few bosses in a pug ya
grim orchid
if i dont get i maybe can try the vault
reef glade
chimerus is no stakes u wont get locked to anything for trying its just killing vorasius kinda depends on ppl not leaving after killing first boss, so ideally try to sign up for groups that specifically say first 2 or more and hope no rodents joins and leaves after first boss but eh, even killing chim and first boss is good mythic raid vault
grim orchid
chimerus is no stakes u wont get locked to anything for trying its just killing ...
yea ill try chim first
i think ill hold it for vorasius cause i already have the gaze from chim hero
reef glade
ya not bad plan
reef glade
only thing i may say is that cuz vorasius is literally only a strength trinket no one but pally/dk/warrior will want and could roll on it if it drops
whereas gaze is wanted by much more ppl
it is a bit unfortunate tho that like whichever you roll it could just appear in vault the next week and ur sad kind of for picking the wrong one but nature of the system ig have to bite the bullet somewhere
so would say theres a slightly higher chance to just naturally get vorasius trinket with alot less competition for it (assuming it drops) so maybe little less prio to roll, but if you dont have it at all dps gain may just be too big to pass up
only other thing to consider is the rest of the loot the boss drops, if you lose the roll are you happy with getting anything else, or is it all garbage, and see if there might be more avg value on one boss vs the other
like vora dropping hands/critverse ring/some boots and trink vs chimerus's chest/also boots/trinket
rare kite
only thing i may say is that cuz vorasius is literally only a strength trinket n...
Iirc dk doesn't Even want it either
reef glade
ye maybe not would be even better if so
will always be greedy piggies out in the world
west obsidian
who is better now after the incomming buffs, arms or fury?
reef glade
but if you like happen to need a myth chest or boot and dont need gloves/that pretty bad ring might also put more emphasis on rolling chimaerus since "losing" the trinket still results in something good, but up to you to determine either way youll get it all given enough time eventually anyway
godspeed
arms probably still little better on the raid fights that matter but fury respectable enough catching up, and arms still kinda king in m+ but fury gap closer too
and fury still pounds st dmg in m+ way better than arms
grim orchid
yea the two of them are pretty good cause i also need boots lol
i since its 2 rolls i can use 1 on each
grim orchid
not now
reef glade
colossus for aoe slayer for st probably not changing
maybe arms slayer m+ a little more viable
but would think fury just does what slarms does better at that point
(in m+)
grim orchid
like u have 4 rolls rn?
oh man just remember that its just 2 voidcores
reef glade
ya raid alot more expensive
grim orchid
thought it was 4 cause was playing in a alt
reef glade
which why i thought using it on heroic raid bosses is very not ideal
grim orchid
which why i thought using it on heroic raid bosses is very not ideal
used all the last ones on m+
reef glade
but i mean later in the season when u have like 10 or more free to spend i guess might as well
ya m+ is good free myth gear very strong
reef glade
well you wouldntve gotten clones unless u rolled first like day and a half they were out
but if u did and got lucky in same dungeon then gz B)
free loot
modest marlin
well I went ahead and got myself a heroic gaze for the hell of it lol
we'll see how it does later on as I get better stats
reef glade
would say just farm rings top prio
nexus 2set likely being best upgrades both immediately and even long term
full grotto
is playing col arms legit or padding in dragons?
reef glade
It can be somewhat legit but mostly padding
full grotto
going to start progging on dragon soon
reef glade
imagine it doesn’t beat slayer 2t but maybe like 90% ethical Colo is still big boss dmg while getting to do non zero to adds
grim orchid
well you wouldntve gotten clones unless u rolled first like day and a half they ...
i didnt got any item that i already have equiped
so was pretty lucky
reef glade
depends how much guild lets u pad ig and especially on number of blood dks mass gripping but overall whichever u play almost certainly has 0 impact on whether boss dies or not it’s pmuch just survive 2nd intermission with everyone alive and gg boss dies
a few more mechs after that but nothing that hasn’t been seen before
astral talon
yo, any super fast way to farm crests thats not m+?
latent moss
colo should be more 2t
reef glade
t11 delves give a decent ish amount of crests especially if u do weekly bounty map but its not very repeatable
latent moss
but idk after these buffs
reef glade
think like 40 or so hero and myth crests for maybe like 15-20m of work
astral talon
t11 delves give a decent ish amount of crests especially if u do weekly bounty m...
mythic?
reef glade
Yea assuming ur delve journey rank 4 which maybe is a fair assumption by now? But also possible to not be I guess if u weren’t gearing a lot of alts early season and only play 1 main or something
but at very least weekly map bounty might still give some crests regardless of delve rank idr if hero or myth
might just be hero
modest marlin
maps don't give myth crests yet this season sadly.
wish it did haha
There's a chance the tier 6 rituals next patch will give myth crests, or hell, even if it's 30 hero that's 10 myth after you outgrow hero
spark mango
forest igloo
guys quick question , how does the ick and krick relfect work ?
minor gust
yes you can reflect deathbolt for big dmg
forest igloo
but its casted on random players no ? how do I track if its going to be me
mortal crag
I mean Slayer and Colossus aren't that different
Biggest gap for me by far is how much more reliant on rend Colo is like it's not even close 😭
forest dove
but its casted on random players no ? how do I track if its going to be me
Pretty sure base nameplates can do this, but plater definitely does
forest igloo
Pretty sure base nameplates can do this, but plater definitely does
so just keep track of target of target ? or focus ?
forest dove
It will literally just say on the nameplate the spell cast and who it’s targeting
minor gust
nameplates will show who the spell is being casted on
mortal crag
so just keep track of target of target ? or focus ?
Name plates or focus both work
It's like 1mil damage on a 20
Pretty juicy
What's the Colo buff from the overpower and exec buffs? Like 2%?
steep merlin
hey guys , new to arms , is it viable to macro avatar and ravanger togeather?
rigid flicker
I mean it's possible. Not sure why you'd want to though
steep merlin
just one less button i guess, since they both 1.5m cd and always ment to be used togeather is all
rigid flicker
Avatar will have it's cooldown reduced by anger management
So they won't always line up
steep merlin
ohhhh ok
rigid flicker
I think it's default to macro avatar and colossus smash together
steep merlin
i thought they where both affected by it
ohh really . i swear i ddidnt see the macro in the faqs channel for it . but ill have another look
rain cipher
Is it always MS > OP > Execute when playing Colossus in M+?
neat locust
is the coming buffs do anything for our overall ST ?
buoyant frost
neat locust
ty
dusty gazelle
Hey guys, is there an already updated rotation guide for slayer after buffs? Did someone recalculate all prios depending on target count?
Is it the change not affecting the execute priorities for example?
warm forum
Will we still be going Colossus in dungeons with the coming reset buffs to slayer ?
solemn fractal
Rotation wouldnt change
spice epoch
umbral linden
imagine getting on myth chim with no exp as arms
spice epoch
imagine getting on myth chim with no exp as arms
Wym i dont main it but i killed it 3 times on my warrior and 4 on my main
umbral linden
Wym i dont main it but i killed it 3 times on my warrior and 4 on my main
that was a joke about myself xd
i want to roll alns too 🙁