arms

[brisk sedge]

after the new buffs is arms go to spec for last 3 raid bosses ?

[stable fiber]

depends on who you ask but i still think arms is better on like every boss

some people will tell you fury is better on some bosses

last 2 though i think are strictly arms only bosses if you care about prog

[brisk sedge]

thank you

[stable fiber]

fury = pad spec
arms = boss damage do'er

you probably can play slayer fury on l'ura and its good

or on beloren

[tacit crystal]

need box on bird though

[slim zenith]

Slayer or colosus as lvling?

70\

+*

[stable fiber]

i mean id level as fury personally

but if you want to torture yourself

then you can play slayer arms leveling

colossus wont be any better

[slim zenith]

okay?

whats diffrent withe furry?

old old BFA player her

so i have zero clue

[stable fiber]

better sustain, more mobile with passive movement speed, more cdr = more consistent damage when going mob to mob

[slim zenith]

okay

redoing all the spells :>

[stable fiber]

fury damage is much more upfront when you use cds

also the way fury cleaves makes it so much easier to pull big

big aoe circle > big aoe semi circle > 2 target

[somber latch]

M+ Fury or Arms?

[stable fiber]

also you dont get stuck in a cinematic screen when you push cds as fury

[scenic sequoia]

guys

in ST

like m+ collosus ST

[slim zenith]

so slayer or mountain then?

as furry

[scenic sequoia]

do i press slam or cleave

when nothing else avaliablee

[stable fiber]

mountain thane

[stable fiber]

hi

[slim zenith]

thanks

[stable fiber]

on st you will slam

if its 2 target i believe you prio 3 stack collateral damage > slam

fishi question

[scenic sequoia]

do i press execute without sudden death?

[stable fiber]

dont

[scenic sequoia]

ok

[stable fiber]

if you are colossus

never push that button

unless super excess rage

which wont happen

[scenic sequoia]

not even with sudden death?

[stable fiber]

with sudden death you can on st

[scenic sequoia]

oki

[stable fiber]

never push sudden death/execute in aoe

[scenic sequoia]

oki

[stable fiber]

you can push sd > slam on st
and i think you can execute if you have like 100 rage and 0 op charges with ms on cd

actually like might not be true

think slam with deep wounds just does more damage

id say for rage economics you dont execute as colossus ever unless sudden death

[umbral badger]

colossus defo does not benefit from execute buffs. i don't want the 0.2% or 0.3% lol

but atl east op buffs yes

[umbral badger]

yea i would assume that execute becomes good dps if it stops consuming over 20 rage for colossus but that will never happen

[stable fiber]

also if you could run deep wounds

w/o deep wounds its a dead button

[umbral badger]

that too

[vapid goblet]

these buffs are not enough lol

colossus arms needed like a 15% ST buff it not more

[warped owl]

this is more raid buffs and slayer m+ buffs

[stable fiber]

yeah?

???

[vapid goblet]

butt mortal strike

buff

[stable fiber]

colossus doesnt need help in m+

xdd

[umbral badger]

but yea since execute is double the rage "when you have rage" for nothing much of a dmg boost over 1 single slam "if any" even with executioner stack. i'd say dmg per rage for execute is the actual problem for colossus.

[vapid goblet]

ST wise it does

[warped owl]

just funnel on bosses and you top the prio dmg

[vapid goblet]

it does tank damage if you dont have funnel

[stable fiber]

yeah and then you funnel on a boss

[vapid goblet]

nexus point is fucking

dooooooogshit

[stable fiber]

and do 50k more dps then everyone else

lol

[thick kelp]

Slarms is back for m+?

[umbral badger]

nothing should be reliant on a weird mechanic to become viable on ST

[stable fiber]

that cooks

101k st dps in m+ slarms spec?

[thick kelp]

yep

[stable fiber]

zamnn

[vapid goblet]

this is slayer?

and 5min all raid buffs?

[thick kelp]

4min all raidbuffs m+ build

[thorn stream]

[hasty pumice]

What's the point of simming the m+ spec with all raid buffs

[stable fiber]

idk funny sim number

its obviously slightly inflated

but you will run with the best raid buffs anyways in most keys

[hasty pumice]

Good ST tho, non BL DPS is also very important for M+ spec

[stable fiber]

only slightly inflated

[hasty pumice]

Ye but in high keys you often skip druid cause there's not infinite people to choose from

Shammy + monk you pmuch always have

[stable fiber]

i feel like you never skip druid in high keys

motw is like

the best raid buff in the game for living

[hasty pumice]

Yeah but there's plenty of clears without a druid

[stable fiber]

idk i dont do high keys

noob player

i am

[hasty pumice]

I agree you often have one

But not always

[stable fiber]

rsham/monk always a lock though

for sure

[warped owl]

Don't you already have all the important buffs with monk druid and shaman?

[hasty pumice]

Sometimes you have a paladin and rogue for example

Or DK and paladin

Doesn't happen often but sometimes

[stable fiber]

yeah

[hasty pumice]

🔥

[stable fiber]

you technically benefit from like hunter and a very very small amount from dh

[umbral badger]

well, was slayer 100k AOE dps behind colossus in M+ build ?

[stable fiber]

if you have the cantrip rings and gloves

[umbral badger]

or was it more than 100k ?

[stable fiber]

but its only a lil

[stable fiber]

i dont think it ever was

[hasty pumice]

If I was Thane I'd say yes haha

[warped owl]

oh ye forgot hunters mark

[thorn stream]

Did he sim with pi ?

[stable fiber]

nobody sims with pi

[umbral badger]

for me i remember it was 450k vs 350k in sims ?

[thorn stream]

Some do

[stable fiber]

i dont even know if that button does anything

for us

pretty sure i clicked it before and my sim dps did not go up

was awhile ago

[orchid glade]

guys, are we going back to Slayer next week? We don’t need to use Colossus in M+ anymore, right?

[stable fiber]

sim dps maybe?

but like

in reality nah

[umbral badger]

either way, i think if slayer sims even 90k now "without full buffs, m+ build" that should be enough to compensate for the lost AoE

[stable fiber]

the aoe got buffed anyways

op/reap

[umbral badger]

yea but remember, colossus simmed dps on ST also feels lower in reality always xd

in m+

so my point is i would assume that this buff will make slayer competitive in m+ again

[thick kelp]

Rate the key build

[hasty pumice]

Yeah because you have downtime and downtime is super bad for col and slayer

[stable fiber]

hmm

[warped owl]

blord completly dead for slayer?

[hasty pumice]

Your CS is a huge damage increase and any downtime means you have it up less frequently

Colossus doubles down with demolish on bad uptime

[umbral badger]

downtime feels extra bad for colossus always, i don't know why but downtime does not make me do as badly as slayer as it is for colossus

[thick kelp]

not good anymore cuz MS didnt get touched

[hasty pumice]

It's still very bad. Fewer SD procs, less bladestorm brrr

[umbral badger]

could be because colossus relies on a smaller window of burst with a bunch of buffs in that window

[warped owl]

damn that sucks it give my brain dopamine when it procs during colo smash

[thick kelp]

Heres a 1:30 ST fight breakdown for that build

to give you an idea

[stable fiber]

im not saying the tree you picked is ass, but i really hate the arms spec tree

picture makes me unhappy

[warped owl]

holy overpower over MS

[thick kelp]

we all hate it

[stable fiber]

yeah that

is doomed

slam also a lil too high

[thick kelp]

its HS baked in

[umbral badger]

yea yea i am more thinking of how you have al lthose buffs connected to demolish and are combined with CS and a very small window to make use of alll. but yes all warrior losses a lot of dps with chaos for sure !

[stable fiber]

ye

[umbral badger]

nbbut in a 1:1 comparison colossus feels worse

in chaos

[thick hamlet]

how do you calculate the impact of both deepwounds nerf and the coming buffs

[stable fiber]

well

[umbral badger]

what's in update-midnight is already finalized

[stable fiber]

the sim dps didnt actually account for the deep wounds bug

because we didnt know it existed

[loud fjord]

i thought cs would be a bit higher. 0.8%?

[stable fiber]

so really we can only calculate the incoming buffs and not the bugfix nerf

[warped owl]

its the dmg amp that does dmg not the actual spell

[loud fjord]

ye, but still

[warped owl]

it hits for 10-20k every 30s so its barely anything in ST

[umbral badger]

i mean to be fair, a lot of the times i was doing more dps in raid than sims and some ppl were telling me that's normal "which was never normal" so at least in that sense, we know that sims only got giga buffed :p

[stable fiber]

ill just be happy to know that im not carried by a bug anymore

[umbral badger]

i've not been carried so far, but even then i've not been welcomed :p

[loud fjord]

i hope we can track heroic might after the patch again Prayge

[stable fiber]

me too lmfao

i hate that we cant track it

like it just randomly

got removed from cdm

well it still is there but like untrackable

[umbral badger]

ppl just don't want warriors, regardless of guild rank or group level it is a cultural thing in this game. it takes one sentence from maximum for example about how bad warriors are and in a few weeks that snetiment becomes hte norms

in the community

and it's not the community's fault anyway

it's blizzard

[stable fiber]

i think its the community's fault in terms of m+

in raid warrior was pretty shit

but both specs are like not half bad in m+

[umbral badger]

as someone who worked with customers, rumers spread so the least you could do is make sure htose rumers are not true :p in that context it's a blizzard thing

shouldn't opportunist eventually becomes better for ST with those op buffs every second week

[stable fiber]

we will see

[vapid goblet]

no boss is pure ST this raid

so yea

[umbral badger]

i was refering to ST tbh but it was becuase of the deepwounds bug

we just did not know

[vapid goblet]

ok when is my 20% mortal strike and 20% slam buffs

and i am happi

[thorn stream]

Vorasius kinda is for me

[stable fiber]

^

midnight falls is also pretty much just a st fight

[umbral badger]

ain't gonna happen :p i would just love if they make this into 15% cleave and 30% mortal and slam although it won't do anything for the reality of the matter

[hasty pumice]

Warrior arms is fantastic in M+

Insanely tanky, high damage and decent utility

[stable fiber]

still mad this talent has fucking WHIRLWIND ON IT

????

[umbral badger]

yup, if anything the little bit of cleave i get there is reducing my dmg cuz i have to leap so far back and lose a lot of uptime to hit 2 adds

[umbral badger]

bro don't get me started, make cleave baseline already FFS

i hate this shit

the illusion of choice that they give you by saying "hey, here is a cleave talent that replaces WW"

as if WW is a thing

it implies that "instead of using WW for AoE you will use cleave now" and yet even if you don't have cleave you ain't hitting WW ever xd

[thorn stream]

Exactly - I have the permission on our reclears to stay on boss so I don’t loose something for just 2 sweeps

[sturdy vortex]

ok, Arms Slayer is back, i guess?

[umbral badger]

my best attempt on vorasius i was maintaining over 100k preexecute "up to 38% boss health" then i had to 'assist" on the adds

and stayed out for hte rings

it was some chaos happening

but man it sucks

this raid

[sturdy vortex]

Spam MS for procs, bumbum ST dmg?

[thorn stream]

Damn that sucks

[vapid goblet]

rage is still a problem

removing reck from avatar was a terrorist attack

[stable fiber]

you just sit boss

let padders pad

if i have a add on me i drag it out and sweep 2 mobs

stormbolt it then go back to boss

[umbral badger]

not all guilds understand or accept that it is better for the entire guild for warrior to sit boss rather than chase stuff

trust me

my logs suck this tier cuz of this

[stable fiber]

let them know

[vapid goblet]

people care if you sit boss?

for me people would be happy if they could pad more on the adds

[umbral badger]

and that's when they started to think of "going without warriors" to begin with 😄

[vapid goblet]

i mean

they should

warrior is THE worst class by far on the last 2 bosses

[umbral badger]

they saw top guilds going with prot warriors and now they are like "go prot, or we get a prot"

kinda thing

[vapid goblet]

you should 100% not bring a warrior there

[stable fiber]

EHHHHH

not certain

[vapid goblet]

warrior egg damage

[stable fiber]

after the changes

[umbral badger]

colossus burst potential is there if the base dmg existed, sadly.

[stable fiber]

with the egg being 40 seconds

it is a slayer boss

[umbral badger]

it is always a slayer boss if it's ST

[stable fiber]

top guilds will be 1 cycling

[umbral badger]

which is why i said "if the base dmg existed"

[stable fiber]

on mythic

[umbral badger]

:p

[stable fiber]

well there was a world

where you could fit a lot of demolishes

it just doesnt even matter

[vapid goblet]

bro how

[umbral badger]

well, in TWW colossus burst on ST was very good if you had the 10 stacks ready

[vapid goblet]

you need MS to crit everytime or something

or we have the 2 adds live and right next to the egg

[stable fiber]

may i show you

[vapid goblet]

and we can cleave

[stable fiber]

the humble recklessness potion

[umbral badger]

all i can say that TWW colossus was an acceptable ST spec. not op but acceptable. and being acceptable gives you opportunities sometimes.

but being tank dps levels means you aint' getitng any chances

zero base dps multiplied by burst modifiers is still zero 😄

[thorn stream]

For me personally, atleast on st, execute is signature to arms

So I’m quite glad slayer is the play in raid

But that’s just me

[umbral badger]

i would agree even for colossus if execute did what it did last season of TWW, it made my mortal literally hit higher than any spell or skill in the game :p

using executes to prep an insane mortal is always fun to me

but it was WORTH using execute unlike now

[thorn stream]

yea I agree with that :p

[tender plaza]

slayer > colosus now yes?

[stable fiber]

in raid 100%

m+ its either

colossus at higher end keys probably

[vapid goblet]

rage econ for ST is just

terrible now

compared to tww as well

you simply cannot spam executes

[stable fiber]

i dont think that is a bad thing tbh

[vapid goblet]

atleast

[umbral badger]

even then might not matter

[vapid goblet]

dont make me afk 3 seconds on pull

[stable fiber]

we should get increased rage gen in execute

but

[umbral badger]

i find rage economy for slayer in a very good place perosnally

for colossus it does not exist

[stable fiber]

ehhhhhhhhhhh

[umbral badger]

it's 3rd world economy for colossus xd

[stable fiber]

slayer execute in raid is

something

[vapid goblet]

i pressed 2 executes

i now have 0 rage

[stable fiber]

^

[vapid goblet]

[native niche]

Slayer in Raid, Colo in m+ except AA and SR

[stable fiber]

yeah probably that^

also slayer execute without windfury

LMAO

its

[umbral badger]

tbh execute phaes does bring up some rage issues but it is a trade off i am willing to take as a slayer. but at least pre execute rage flow feels fine for slayer compared to colossus afking all fight in between skill hits

[stable fiber]

you dont get to play your class

[vapid goblet]

trade off for what

[umbral badger]

for dps

[stable fiber]

you do more dps

[vapid goblet]

UNH has better execute

than arms warrior

think about that

[umbral badger]

i am not gonna compare ot other classes

[stable fiber]

they do not

but

[pastel whale]

Just charge weave and you’ll be reet

[umbral badger]

cuz it's about the % you get out of execute compared to pre execute

[vapid goblet]

🤡

[pastel whale]

😂

[umbral badger]

slayer arms get a lot of dps at execute comapred to pre execute

so at least you are rage starved for a reason

COLOSSUS ON THE OTHER HAND

you are rage starved for no fking reason

all time

all fight

xd

[stable fiber]

its not so much as uhdk having better execute, its more that they just are better dps at all stages regardless of boss hp

unholy is getting nerfed and arms is getting buffed

so it evens out

[vapid goblet]

UNH

[umbral badger]

that's my point, that's why i said slayer warrir arms probalby gets more of execute phase relative to warrior dps pre execute

[vapid goblet]

is getting a 1.6% ST nerf sir

[stable fiber]

you are right yeah

[vapid goblet]

it is nothing

[boreal quartz]

unh is a ranged spec

[stable fiber]

that is not noting

[vapid goblet]

it is

[stable fiber]

u understand

[boreal quartz]

1.6% = 1.6%

[stable fiber]

nvm

u dont

but

[umbral badger]

i kinda gave up on colosuss ever becoming 'average" on ST though, i think blizzard sees colossus doing good AoE dps and think "that's good enough"

[stable fiber]

i dont mind it much

[vapid goblet]

oh no instead of simming 120k i now sim 118k 🙁

[stable fiber]

colossus is unbearable to play on st

[umbral badger]

i'd rather if they make it so that the specs are a bit more balanced "so 5% differene" so that ppl can play whatever they want wherever they want

[boreal quartz]

i like having good st in keys idk

[umbral badger]

that's a objective that, many ppl prefer colossus on ST

i for one do

[boreal quartz]

objective when talking about fun

https://tenor.com/view/fr-lie-gif-9063740662564569899

[umbral badger]

if they just balanced specs so that one is 5% higher aoe and the other is 5% higher ST then everythign is viable everywhere

but this "extreme" specialization per spec is not fun to me

[boreal quartz]

if everything does the same thing nothing is interesting

[umbral badger]

all warrior slayers do the same thing, it is still interesting to them to play slayer warriors.

because it is about the competition

[stable fiber]

well

just so you guys know

colossus st is FINALLY beating guardian druid sim dps

we have WON

[boreal quartz]

my 281 ele in m+ spec outsims turbobuff arms in raid spec

[umbral badger]

yup, and that's exactly why i don't get ppl justifying this 😄

[boreal quartz]

[wild lion]

Lol

[halcyon valve]

Damn, took a long time

[umbral badger]

sadly design wise it is too late now 😄 AoE split bewtween ablities was more balanced in TWW that's why it was possible to balance the dps profile. now cleave is doing too much and has too many talents

[wide apex]

too late for what

it'd be trivial to fix

[umbral badger]

for them to fix Colossus ST as long as we are wit hthis shitty tree :p

i think the yneed to change some talents

if they want to fix

[wide apex]

god forbid

[umbral badger]

or they just need to nerf cleave heavily and compensate in demo and mortal

[stuck yacht]

Col Arms steel better for m+ after tunning?

[kindred breach]

reap is still lottery so most likely

maybe not if you are lucky and proc reap like no tomorrow

[fresh spire]

Slayer key build is looking pretty solid for balance

st dps like 104k vs 81k of colossus :yikes

[stable fiber]

how is the normal arms st sim dps

[fresh spire]

110k

[stable fiber]

hmm

[fresh spire]

slayer isn't going to do as much burst aoe as colossus does but it still does pretty good aoe numbers for 1:30m pull is like 650k vs 570k

but ST is so far ahead in slayer it might be worth for some comps

[ionic mica]

i can see myself preferring slayer if i play with an aug cos 1.5 of your 3 dps having shit ST is sad

depends on key i guess

[thorn stream]

With bugfix ?

[fresh spire]

buffs* but yeh

[thorn stream]

Meant the dw fix

Heard it couldn’t be simmed

[fresh spire]

dw fix was a 4% nerf, that was never on sims

sims was accurate like we didn't have the bug

[umbral badger]

wait a sec, CS ST in keys is 81k now ? i thougth they are like 70k

[fresh spire]

in full bis colossus in keys is around 81k

[umbral badger]

hmm to be fiar this 20% op buff helps a little for colossus ST i guess

[fresh spire]

execute may aswell, need to test some builds

[umbral badger]

dunno about that i just can never find a way to take deepwounds with colossus to justify execute in any scenario but will see

i think bizentein will utlize slayer again now

[neon dome]

tldr how big are these buffs?

[thorn stream]

#updates-midnight

[rustic jolt]

looks sweet guys, maybe slayer back on menu?

[junior nexus]

Hey everyone, could someone please tell me why Ravager is thrown before the Colossus in the M+ rotation, and not after it?

[boreal quartz]

well in wawi u did it cuz it doesnt insta proc unhinged nor does it do insane on hit damage

i think its still the same reasoning now

[junior nexus]

I'm already at 274, but I still can't really deal any damage, 90k overroll, so I decided to find out if there are any secret tricks)

True, I use non-crafted weapons, heroic ones, but I'm not sure that this can weaken me that much.

[autumn nexus]

Warrior needs sweaty giga strats to deal damage, pretty sure the highest key in the world had a war in it

most avg joe's have arms being doggo

[wintry dome]

there are some 22 runs with a war

but mostly not tbh

[autumn nexus]

Yea, but its omega babysittig

Problem is warrior is shit to play, and needs lots of extra crap to work

Then theres ret paladin who's... 1 2 3 giga damage

Respect to peole who stick with it, I quit classes early if blizzard decides to bring ruin to their door

[dim basalt]

And rets do less than us yeah

[autumn nexus]

Im glad you think so, keep the warrior dream alive

[dim basalt]

I don't just think so, it is true lol

[autumn nexus]

Even better

[dim basalt]

We outdps anything

And the extra shit youre talking about is not a big deal

A sham and some funnel is whatever

Other specs like rets and ddh want funnel too

So it's whatever really

[fresh spire]

if you switch to Biz build arms closer to 90k for his build

[dim basalt]

The one with some ST?

[junior nexus]

I didn't claim to be a top Warrior, it's just frustrating that I'm trying to squeeze out at least some 130k overroll, but it's all in vain.

[fresh spire]

yeh MP/OF > Mass Exe/Powerful

[dim basalt]

Ye

Feels nice in ST

[fresh spire]

might just be worth at this point for ST

[dim basalt]

Definitely is in AA NPX SR imo

[fresh spire]

Did find some sins for Slayer where if you don't have MP you only EPx2 ms when cs is up otherwise spam execute

small dps increase though

nothing huge

[dim basalt]

Cursed

[olive topaz]

Watching Critcake’s most recent video, the Unholy is getting gapped for the entire first half of the key and then catches up for the rest of the dungeon in one pull lol

Disgusting spec

[fresh spire]

Tops is new slayer build
2nd is Biz
3rd is current meta

Top is current colossus meta
2nd is Biz
last is new slayer for aoe 5t

[dim basalt]

Does Biz play that build in every key now?

[fresh spire]

think so

same again 10t

[rugged cobalt]

Does anyone have an import link to his build?

[fresh spire]

CcEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgZmxsMzMzYGAAAghphxYmxyMzMzgxMDAAAAgxmZAZGwiZMsADMjWoxgFwMjtx2YMbmtBzMAAjhB

[wide apex]

AAAAAAAAAAA

[dim basalt]

a.

[thorn stream]

The slarms build with blord?

[hasty pumice]

What's 3 target?

That's the most important SIM probably

Also what are your SIM settings

[candid pecan]

117k ST ? Slayer m+ talent build?

[hasty pumice]

Looks like it's with BL tho

And perhaps max ilvl

That's why I asked for SIM settings

[fresh spire]

1:30 duration sims

[pastel whale]

That feels like a lot

Ah

[fresh spire]

trying to simulate close to a trash pack length

[hasty pumice]

Can you change it to 4 minutes no BL for ST and 3 minute no BL aoe?

Also 3 target sim extra

I'm at work sorry to bother haha

But those Sims are pretty important for high keys

For lower keys it doesn't matter anyways which spec you're playing

[fresh spire]

4mins

[hasty pumice]

What ilvl is that, cause I sure as hell am not simming for 87k ST on col

[fresh spire]

bis

[hasty pumice]

Ah

Makes sense

[clever crag]

Wtf is the Biz build

I swear theres new builds every week

[slow saddle]

This is 2t?

[hasty pumice]

Op execute + slam op empowering MS instead of mass execute and empowered SS

[clever crag]

That nobody knows about outside this disc

[slow saddle]

I mean if u watched 1 biz video

Aka if u are remotely interrested in warrior😆

[clever crag]

I watched the guide vid

He did not play this build

Isnt that sacrifice to aoe only worth in uber high keys tho

[hasty pumice]

Btw Krispy can you check prio target damage in advanced Sims?

That's more important for skyreach / academy

Cause seeing these numbers I have doubts slayer will be better

Rn I see +20% st from col to slayer for a -23% aoe payoff which isn't necessarily worth it

So far seems like col will still be better overall for timer

[thorn stream]

Also slightly depends on comp, no?

But I ain’t pushing as high as you

So you know better

[hasty pumice]

Yes and no, you have 4 fights where the ST kicks in for 20% DPS vs like 13+ packs where the AoE saves timer

Depends on context for sure but unless you have outlaw, Phys comp doesn't really have ST blasting

Ret pala is good but I wouldn't say insane ST

[thorn stream]

I see

Im just a lazy 3.5k gamer so I don’t have to max that tbh

But nice insight nonetheless

[clever crag]

3.5k is not lazy 3k is lazy which is my io lo

[slow saddle]

Opposite

Build is better in lower keys with less funnel play

[clever crag]

And packs die faster so the mass execution value is lower

[slow saddle]

Exactly

[sick crown]

In higher keys and coordinated environment when you pull funnel(2 extra targets) your boss damage shoots up and makes up for the lack of pure st loss colos has

[slow saddle]

17s so far the st build has served me well

Keep in mind our mass aoe tbh is pretty irrelevant

Shitters die and prio dmg is same

Mass aoe might.matter in very specific comps

But like most.pugs just mass aoe for overalls anyways

[sick crown]

My only gripe with slayer in keys is that if you don't have a shaman you have to weave in a lot more charges, especially on bosses

[clever crag]

They should bake skyfury into something

[sick crown]

And removing MS from proving slayer was very weird IMO so random

[clever crag]

We too dependent

[sick crown]

Just give us more rage gen or a talent that helps with that

Relying mostly on autos criting and windfury just feels horrible

[slow saddle]

Reap on main st ability = bad so good its gone

[slow saddle]

And this is an issie

Exterbated by hs

Our rage usage being so spiky

And rage inc as well, so lettin op give 10 rage would help

Or idea was ep giving 50% reduced ms cost per stack

[sick crown]

Agree!

[pearl token]

hello, on wowhead, the single target rotation put rend at a lower priority than aoe rotation. I was wondering how many mobs would be needed for rend to become higher priority? 2 or 3? thanks

[charred brook]

Thank god we are strong enough to replace unholy dks now right

[sturdy flicker]

We back?

[charred brook]

Nvm I forgot about needing grip

I got too hype

[pulsar berry]

The rng of rage gen is really the killer

On pull in paladins sometimes I get to cleave twice and then im just randomly rage starved

[nova vessel]

Best place to check out these new builds??

[pulsar berry]

Other times im rage capped like instantly

[balmy kindle]

Basically you need sky fury

[nova vessel]

@fresh spire New builds?? Where can I get more info

[balmy kindle]

We need sky fury

[clever crag]

Biz yt channel

[olive nest]

Arms owns

[wispy cargo]

Does arms have any way to break out of Pit gargoyles/MC mini boss altar?

[ionic mica]

no just meld if nelf

[fierce swan]

Bladestorm?

[ionic mica]

maybe you can bladestorm it but you arent holding for that lmao

[fierce swan]

Yeah you gota get lucky

[ionic mica]

get a monk or paladin to free you

i would class it as unlucky if i had to bs to get out of those

[valid barn]

play gnome warrior

[coral birch]

Just watch biz's stream

He helps alot

[valid barn]

he tells the gargoyle to f off and it does

[hardy crown]

are this the best chima mythic talents?

[exotic horizon]

Asking just for quility of life . how can i make my plater do line threashhold for when they fall under 35% health

[boreal quartz]

First Page execute something

[rancid robin]

In the "updates-midnight" it says that the buffs are 'pretty minimal'. But 20% on overpower should be big on collossus aswell since it's our top 4

isn't it like a 1.8% buff or smth like that. It looks rlly good aswell

[exotic horizon]

that show only at 15 or 20% how to make it 35%

[boreal quartz]

It does it at 35 if u have it talented

Just try it out

[exotic horizon]

is it this one because i have excute talented for 35% and it dose not show maybe i dont load the wrong one

[nova briar]

Can anyone help me with a sim?

My friends raidbots sub expired

[viscid fossil]

will the lazy slayer spec be better again now

[hardy crown]

did u find out? i want it too

[exotic horizon]

not really . Guys for Closus When to Use ravager

[shadow osprey]

Right before your other cooldowns

Just toss it avatar, smash, and go off king

[wet maple]

Feels like it should be a pretty decent buff in ST, no?

[shadow osprey]

Lets assume it's about 1.8% then you still net less than that because of the deep wound fix

That and execute damage is pretty minimal in colossus play (speaking in the mythic + build and rotation) so youre only netting 1% maybe less

I haven't done the actual math but thats the gist id assume

[muted breach]

Based on my best key dmg which is around 170-180k overal in m+, I'd be getting around ~3-4k dmg overall buff, and single target on slayer might get 4-5k, but will have to see after the buff happens (my slayer still sims 63.4k 1 target)

[sudden owl]

Deep wounds fix barely affected collosus because you never press execute

[shadow osprey]

True but you still lost damage from it (however minimal) and the damage gain from these buffs sre still offset by it, overall making it still minimal.

Im speaking in terms of single target. In multi in you probably still net a small bit because of overpower. 🙂

[weary compass]

We still thinking arms>fury for later bosses?

[hardy crown]

its already in plater

[rain cipher]

What is the best Plater profile? I just returned to the game and my setup is fucked up!

[dense river]

Hey lads, sorry - new on Warr DC. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/8bnzkQXt3hd9D7VT?fight=5&type=damage-done - can someone help me to understand, why our warrs are not capable of making decent logs? To be honest, im not war player, I just need to understand, if the class suffer from re-targeting, or if they are making some issues? Ty for any answer

[hardy crown]

if u have prime in twitch i recommend naowh addons/plater

[rain cipher]

I do… Thanks

[wary spindle]

is Slayer arms gonna be the play in m+ now with the new buffs? or is collossus still the best

[thick kelp]

Jundies is goated and free

[thick kelp]

80/20 col/slayer

Probably

[wary spindle]

fair yea, ST keys are gonna be more slayer favored I guess

[thick kelp]

AA/skyreach probably slarms keys, we got a decent build alr ready to roll

[wary spindle]

what is that build?

[thick kelp]

https://www.wowhead.com/beta/talent-calc/warrior/arms/slayer/EAOBRUUVRVQWZEqRQBRNVUVVCZBVUYUF0CFAFFVVVUBB

[solid crown]

Quick question, is it better to craft your weapon as first craft? Or other pieces? New to DPS/Arms 😄

[drifting sparrow]

I would say weapon now that there's plenty of sparks until you can get PoS weapon

How should I choose between Seat Hands and Windrunner Spire Hands??

Think I'm also at the point where I will probably just use bonus rolls on Pit of Saron we're still a few weeks away from downing Belo'ren

[wary spindle]

thank you!

[dense siren]

if M+ team doesnt have a shaman, is Fury better than Arms? or still Arms

[pulsar frost]

arms fine without a shaman its just really nice to have one

for ST bosses and exe phase

[thick hamlet]

mind clarifying what you mean by this?

[rare kite]

It's "fine"

[thick hamlet]

without shaman i run out of rage on BL pulls in raids

[native niche]

Any tips for raid dmg as slayer? I seem to do doodoo dps

[willow lance]

i can't seem to consistently hit 2 demo in 1 smash. 33% crit 21% haste. does it require more mobs or a shaman or asomething

[pulsar frost]

his talking about m+

[pulsar frost]

and youre just unlucky wiuth your 20% chance

[pulsar frost]

can weave in 1 or 2 more MS into it and hope it crits since MS can reduce hella cdr like up to 15 secs or so

[dim basalt]

Its not supposed to be consistent

Just luck

[exotic horizon]

did poeple calculate the damage increase ? and will it change from closus to slayer for mythic ?

[exotic horizon]

i saw that but i still dont know if we going to stay closus or slayer will pull ahead

[dim basalt]

Colossus by far, still

[pulsar frost]

you asked for damage numbers theres the numbers, buffs mainly to slayer anyways

but i doubt itll overtake col in keys

raid stays the same probably

[dim basalt]

It sets Slayer back to what it was before .5

roughly

[calm hollow]

i might play slayer for weekly 10s

[pulsar frost]

i mean you can its just 10s

slayer just doesnt feel good to me like it was pre .5 IMO

[calm hollow]

same

it feels really bad to press MS

[pulsar frost]

idk why they didnt also just buff MS in general

[wintry dome]

[olive nest]

[drifting sparrow]

Is fury about to be better than arms after update??

[pulsar frost]

in what content

but no

[paper gulch]

Just play what you like.

There are 3900 IO players as arms, and as fury

[pulsar frost]

play what feels better to you rather then just the numbers

if you care numbers just reroll

[drifting sparrow]

I like arms better tbh

[pulsar frost]

then play arms

[paper gulch]

I like arms because arms help you eat and live your life.

[olive nest]

Once you minus the 30% style points from fury, arms is always better

[untold trench]

Fury always more fun than arms

[pulsar frost]

go to bed

[calm hollow]

they only need to do something about rage management in execute phase, make HS free

[paper gulch]

Yeah, if you like carpal tunnel

[drifting sparrow]

How should I choose between Seat Hands and Windrunner Spire Hands?? And worth to use bonus roll son POS?

[pulsar frost]

ive never gotten carpal tunnel when i played fury im ngl

must be a skill issue

[paper gulch]

Droptimizer.

[pulsar frost]

of the ergonomic side

[paper gulch]

and top gear sim

[paper gulch]

maybe you just use your wrist a lot at night 🙂

[pulsar frost]

wind runner hands sim higher for me then seat ones

but idk if i wanna send wind runner rolls

since 1/8

[untold trench]

Prob is, I never had an issue. I been playing Fury for decades

All about finding the perfect buttons for your hands

[pulsar frost]

i mean i use both hands for clicking buttons, sometimes i click with the left hand

but its almost always ergonomics

some people are just WEAK

[untold trench]

Classic weak American

[paper gulch]

I usually sit on my left hand before clicking with it, feels like a totally different mouse.

[pulsar frost]

i aint weak smh

im not complaining about tunneling

[untold trench]

Buy some healthcare

[pulsar frost]

we have healthcare insurance

it pays for majority of it lol

[olive nest]

On moms

HAH Gottem

[pulsar frost]

ye with your mum

[drifting sparrow]

Seat for ST and WR for MT

[paper gulch]

men on men sex?

[olive nest]

If that’s your preference

[pulsar frost]

idk about that, voidgloves just never did much of my damage for it to be worth imo, WR has haste crit

even as fury it was never more then like .5% of my damage and fury goes brrrr on auto attacks

[olive nest]

Seat gloves still sim more for me

Maybe my stats are just good

[reef glade]

allowed to use alleria neck as fury which makes em lil better

[paper gulch]

That's good, she's got her carrots ready for you tonight. She told me to tell you to keep your plug in.

😂

[olive nest]

Bro don’t reach so far the mom joke was good enough

[reef glade]

[pulsar frost]

idk i have decent crit nad haste, i dont have heart tho

[paper gulch]

Im sitting in dungeon finder lobby, i got time to kill

[pulsar frost]

this is why youre never invited

[olive nest]

Arms owns btw

[paper gulch]

probably

[olive nest]

Never forget

[steep walrus]

Is every raid boss slayer single target except for dragons which is it slayer cleave? And then paladins as colossus?

[olive nest]

Imo chim, dragons, vanguard as Colo

[pulsar frost]

chims?

when are you able to touch adds

[steep walrus]

Chimerus or however you spell it

[pulsar frost]

or it doesnt die in 2 seconds

[steep walrus]

We are doing heroic progression today

[pulsar frost]

the demo locks and dev dhs arent nuking adds before you get there??

[olive nest]

The rest are slayer ST and swap off BB points for the two sweep talents on bird and salad

[humble hollow]

Is arms or fury the better spec for raiding now? Tell me what to think pls

[pulsar frost]

hero no mattter

stuff dies to quick anyways

[remote talon]

or you could not play arms on chim since it's the worst spec in the game at it lol

[pulsar frost]

if your guild doesnt do as much deeps or adds dont die as quick you can pad and parse

[remote talon]

not that fury is much better

[olive nest]

I beg to differ

[dim basalt]

Who cares the boss is super ez

[olive nest]

Killing adds matters so just be the aoe for your down group

[pulsar frost]

its not the WORST theres better tho

[olive nest]

Prefer group 1 but can do well on both

[remote talon]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/46?boss=3306&dataset=95&sample=7

[steep walrus]

Ill give you 5 bucks to write me one long message that says what to play on each so I can screenshot it. Everyone typing makes it hard for me to track is all down on mobile im not on my pc rn 😆

[pulsar frost]

slayer on everything but vanguard for heroic, if guild not good enough on damage you can pad on adds

ez pz

[steep walrus]

Whats the bb sweeps thing?

Without looking at talent tree I cant remember. Im 2 weeks into warrior/pve

[olive nest]

You swap off 2x bloodbourne for powerful momentum and broad strokes

[steep walrus]

Awesome ty!

Oh forgot I was replying to that to show what I was talking about and saw your new message and responded

[steep walrus]

And do you say slayer single target version right? Not like mythic plus that takes cleave?

[pulsar frost]

yes

[steep walrus]

What is pad btw?

[pulsar frost]

hitting adds to increase your damage on the meters for parsing purposes

[olive nest]

Aver: Slayer ST (boss damage)
Vora: Slayer ST (boss damage)
Salad: Slayer 2T (boss+big orb damage)
Dragons: Colo raid (add pad)
Vanguard: Colo raid (3 bosses)
Crown: Slayer ST (boss damage)
Chim: Colo raid (add pad)
Bird: Slayer 2T (egg damage)
Lura: Slayer ST (boss damage)

[pulsar frost]

instead of prioing/hitting the boss to kill boss

[olive nest]

For free 😆

That’s what I run currently

[steep walrus]

Haha ty!

[olive nest]

Added chim

[steep walrus]

And the difference between slayer single target and 2t is the bb sweeping stuff?

[pulsar frost]

im still interested in this Chim colo take

[olive nest]

Yes

[paper gulch]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/46?class=Warrior&spec=ArmsI made a shortened version of it, you can filter it by difficulty, item level, and boss duration.

[pulsar frost]

from you mr brew

[olive nest]

lol mans links warrior all bosses xdd

[pulsar frost]

tbf it doesnt matter much since nss said his doing heroric

stuff gonna die quick anyways

[paper gulch]

I mean if you understand WCL you would be able to get better data from some dumb ass list

[paper gulch]

Facts

[pulsar frost]

unless guild just doesnt do much damage like mine

i top meters even playing the garbo class of ours being warrior

[paper gulch]

explains why you dont have carpal tunnel then Huehuehue

[olive nest]

Gave the man what he asked for

[pulsar frost]

shouldnt i have carpal then tho? if im carrying them on my back, but i dont play much fury anymore anyways

am arms player now unfort

[steep walrus]

Could you possible link import code to slayer st and colo raid I want to make sure I have them right

[paper gulch]

Technically no as you aren't trying hard enough because you dont have competition. But maybe you're right idk

[olive nest]

I’m not at pc so that I can’t help with right at this moment

[steep walrus]

If you look up my logs ive done so bad on heroic but did well on normal. My builds were all over the place

[gentle island]

have the numbers been crunched yet for total % increases?

[olive nest]

Ye it’s in updates channel

[gentle island]

tyty

[pulsar frost]

i still dont understand how much people dont or cant read

its also at the bottom of the channel, not even scrolling up an inch

[gentle island]

cool story bro

[steep walrus]

If people are anything like me they are just stupid and its easier to ask others than trust you are going to find it on your own

And I think thats okay 🙂

[wintry dome]

why read the book if you can ask the author

[pulsar frost]

nah i have faith that you can click the update channel and find it at the bottom, I believe in you more then others :D

[pulsar frost]

would still have to read what the author writes

[olive nest]

If you read it and head off maybe you missed a key point

If you ask directly

You get exact info based on your question

Generally

[pulsar frost]

i mean for most part you still get dircted to the updates channel

[steep walrus]

I ask alot of questions because I am always worried I will miss something on my own and having someone say it to me somehow helps me retain it and feel like im getting the parts I need

And idk how to tell how up to date written guides and stuff are. People seem to catch meta changes faster than people can update posts

[pulsar frost]

the same person that catches meta changes in the dps warrior spec is the same person who updates the guides and stuff so its not much worries at least compared to other specs

[steep walrus]

Or maybe im wrong. Im 2 weeks ish in after all. Check me out nss-bleedinghollow if you wanna see how new and bad I am

[paper gulch]

I like to filter by
Item level and boss duration.
Top parsers who rank are usually the ones killing the bosses the fastest and sometimes it's just dependent on the rest of the raid, resulting in a higher uptime of cooldowns.

[steep walrus]

Good to know

[olive nest]

More than fine to ask all the questions about WoW/Warrior in here that you want

That’s what this place is for specifically

[steep walrus]

Ty

Is there a place on here that has the correct st slayer and colo raid builds?

[olive nest]

Wowhead is great if you just want to plug and play builds and go hit the bosses on heroic

You can also use the Warcraft logs website to filter by spec and boss to see what the highest ranked person used for their build

Whatever floats your boat

[steep walrus]

Okay cool ty

[untold trench]

Lorrrrgs do all that for you, no?

[olive nest]

Lorrgs to ye

[untold trench]

Havent minmaxed raid dps in years now

maybe lorrrrgs bad now

[olive nest]

Lorrgs links you directly to the log

And shows cd timing the person used

[untold trench]

Didnt they have build copypasta?

[olive nest]

Good question never used it if so

[untold trench]

Nah, they only got the direct link

Just went and checked

[clever crag]

man Im stuck in some io limbo

only phys comp in lfg are +20s and 0 invites otherwise

do you run the Biz build in every dung now btw ?

if Im in the 13-15 range

[pulsar frost]

the normal build is fine, i ran the normal build for all up to my 16s

[nova marsh]

You don't run it in seat caverns or any dungeon with a 2 targ boss

Because powerful momentum there is just too valuable to give up

And seat in particular, mass exe is also very valuable

[tacit crystal]

how does colossus not benefit from execute

xd

[nova marsh]

because colo wants to never press exe

[umbral badger]

how does it

[nova marsh]

If you play colo well with reasonable procs you maybe use sudden death once

[tacit crystal]

have you guys looked at the apl at all

[umbral badger]

it's 1%-2% of your ST dmg and less than 1% of your m+

[nova marsh]

...have you?

[tacit crystal]

yes

you press execute a lot more than you think in st

especially if you have a shaman

[umbral badger]

even if that was true, how does that change the fact that execute is doing like 2% of your overall dmg ?

or are you gonna tell me that 20% of the 2% is a buff

[tacit crystal]

it is

[nova marsh]

You do not

[tacit crystal]

yes you do

[nova marsh]

Like genuinely I play with shamans all the time

[umbral badger]

well, GL with the 0.4% making you beat tank druid easily

[nova marsh]

SD is more likely to time out in my experience

[hybrid needle]

One execute is enough to ragestarve you, TECHNICALLY it deals more damage tho

[nova marsh]

And just let me slam to begin with

Like seriously

[umbral badger]

when ppl look for a buff for colossus ST they are looking for actual buff, not 0.4% buff from "execute"

[nova marsh]

and besides that

execute is fucking trash with only one talent supporting it

[umbral badger]

dmg per rage probably not when it consumes 40 rage

[hybrid needle]

I never said per rage spend., I said more damage, raw

[nova marsh]

Yes but the rage part is more important lowkey

[umbral badger]

yea i undestood your point, just saying since colossus is starved for rage dmg per rage is everythign

[hybrid needle]

I highly recommend playing with an rsham, so your slam rotation in ST lets you not be ragestarved forever

[nova marsh]

ya know what actually

One second

[umbral badger]

it helps, does not solve the issue ofc.

[tacit crystal]

its still above slam in execute

even without mortal wounds

[hybrid needle]

Execute when above 75 rage

is the only part ican agree on

[tacit crystal]

i dont think you realize how common that is

[rugged cobalt]

The prio says to demolish only in colo smash windows, but with the current CDR on demolish I find myself hitting demo like 2-3 times before smash is back off CD

[umbral badger]

even if you try going for that, you will feel even more rage starved and never get OP resets.

so it feels better to just slam

[rugged cobalt]

in AoE atleats

[hybrid needle]

75 rage in singletarget? common? in col ?

[umbral badger]

nah

[nova marsh]

So actually

[tacit crystal]

in aoe or st?

[nova marsh]

Lemee grab a top log from skyreach

[rugged cobalt]

aoe

[nova marsh]

Specfically because it's like the most ST dungeon in the season almost

[tacit crystal]

i mean how are we not saying its a buff

[umbral badger]

i am going with 1 col in and one col out and it is working for me so far

[nova marsh]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/MGvW3xXy4A1q9DTK?fight=7&type=casts&source=161 50 casts

[umbral badger]

we do agree op buff is a buff for colossus but not execute buff because of how little dmg it does overall

[nova marsh]

That is not a lot

[rugged cobalt]

❤️

[nova marsh]

Like lemee put this into perspective

execute is cast about as often as demolish is

[umbral badger]

so even if we say 20% execute buffi s at best 0.6% more dmg on ST, for a class 15% or 20% behind the average ST 0.6% is irrelevant

completely

and in m+ when you don't have deepwoun ds it is even less than that of a buff

[nova marsh]

Something cast as often as a CD

[hybrid needle]

Whatever the case, col still gets the 20% OP buff

[nova marsh]

getting buffed

Is not impactful at all

the op buff is neat for colo but it dosen't amount to much

[umbral badger]

yup, that's at least something

[nova marsh]

Maybe a good buff if ur running the MP variant

[white canopy]

Wont Thane Fury overall just be a stronger choice now than arms in any sens in m+?

[umbral badger]

but i've been saying it all along, colossus can't be saved with random buffs it needs a change in design. i would love if they do what arch suggested weeks ago. which is to swap fatality with executioner so i can save my self a few talents which i could then put into more op porc chance

[nova marsh]

Maybe

Probally not

[hybrid needle]

Highly douubt it

[nova marsh]

I mean it arguably could be

If you added a few modifiers to demo for ST, added stack gen onto slam or OP (WHEN THEY ARE NOT SWEPT)

I think colo ST could be okay

Honestly mainly the modifiers if they aren't willing to change stacks

[white canopy]

You could just make demolish on 1 target do 100% more damage

[scarlet widget]

Question - can I player slayer now in m+ and not feel terrible for not playing colossus? Is slayer arms actually good now in m+?

[last saddle]

im a big fan of the mortal strike resets from overpower in colo tbh

[white canopy]

For pure ST

[last saddle]

i wish slayer had that

[umbral badger]

i just think there is a wall that random buffs would hit because you can't avoid buffing AoE. and yes you could remove cleave from here and double or triple this value but even that won't save the spec

[nova marsh]

Yeah smth like that

[hybrid needle]

Just.. specc into it if you want

[nova marsh]

Chief

I just pointed out how to completely avoid that

[last saddle]

but its less dps

[umbral badger]

my point is, there is a fundemental issue when you have to spend 231321 talent points in a skill you'd hate to use

which is execute

[nova marsh]

I do agree there

But I think that's small fish compared to demo being awful to use in ST

And also a coin flip

[umbral badger]

also even if you buffed demo on main target by 100% would that even save the spec ? you could do 200% and it won't

and at some point it becomes a demo only spec

which they would also not like

[hybrid needle]

lmao, its not that bad

[umbral badger]

i don't think demo is bad on ST to begin with

but i don't think blizzard want a spec doing 50% of their dmg in ST wit ha 30-45 sec CD :p

would be funny though

[nova marsh]

I mean I disagree

beacuse the other problem is stack gen in ST is awful

You are completely at the mercy of MS

One of these issues being fixed could genuinely give colo some decent ST

Or both

Oh yeah

also please give rage

[umbral badger]

i dont' think we disagree on much there :p i just think that given how demolish works and dmg split of it on pure ST with this log as an example. demolish doing 100% more dmg than it does now, demolish will end up doing most of your dmg for a key you push very rarely and i am fairly certain we had such designs in the past which blizzard did not like

[scarlet widget]

don't you guys think demolish as a spell is so clunky? like standing in 1 place for so long feels so bad sometimes and then the aoe being frontal and not circle is also weird

[umbral badger]

don't get me wrong though i'd love an insane demolish crit that i can sweep sometimes

woujld be fun

[nova marsh]

It's hastened and you can leap

It's genuinely fine

[olive nest]

I myself am a fan of demolish

[last saddle]

why can we leap durihg demolish but not walk during it

🤔

[nova marsh]

You can walk

[olive nest]

You can walk

Just slowly

[nova marsh]

verrryyyyy slowwwwlyyyy

[umbral badger]

it becomes more bearable with time

[gaunt wigeon]

Just make it a 3s dot applied instantly, then do wtf ever animation they want. No more being stuck, no more things running away

[last saddle]

and cant jump during it

[nova marsh]

Why

[gaunt wigeon]

Same damage. No more stuck.

[olive nest]

They should just give all 3 hits of demolish 100yd range once you cast it from melee

[gaunt wigeon]

It’d be stupid to think that’s bad.

[olive nest]

Ez pz

[nova marsh]

You could accomplish the same thing by making it instant with the slam

[last saddle]

nah

the channel is vital to making it feel like a warrior ability

[nova marsh]

And also again

[umbral badger]

the easiest way to pilot with demolish is to jump move towards a direction and click it a split second later. meaning your char would use it while it's "flying" in the jump animation

[last saddle]

they should also add cast tiem gback to slam

[olive nest]

Fuck that

[nova marsh]

I don't feel like demo's root is a big issue. You can play around it

[olive nest]

You smoking crack

[gaunt wigeon]

Well. Then enjoy being stuck with clunky shit if you insist on keeping it.

[nova marsh]

Please go back to mage \

[last saddle]

if ididnt want to play a clunky class that sucks and is bad I would play ret

[nova marsh]

Arms has bigger fish to fry

[umbral badger]

especially cuz it has the tradeback of giving us immunities and shit so i accept the concept

[olive nest]

Never a cast on a melee ever

Turbo bad

[nova marsh]

never cast only channel

[olive nest]

Channel is not the same feeling

[last saddle]

true

make slam channel

[olive nest]

That’s why channel is ok

[umbral badger]

you don't get stuck in clunky shit if you know the fight generally speaking. and sometimes you just use it for your advantage to get immunities.

[olive nest]

Also you channel a cooldown

Imagine casting slam filler

LUL

[flat willow]

And since cleave slams, make cleave a cast as well

[gaunt wigeon]

The entire spec is clunky. Bads keep coping.

[scarlet widget]

yeah the immunity is really useful for sure but for example in academy on the adds before the tree it feels terrible to be stuck

[flat willow]

And make all casts reset your auto attacks like the good old days

[umbral badger]

ragebaiting warriors does not work :p

[flat willow]

So we get even less rage

[nova marsh]

get back to fucking UDK

be banished to archeus

[umbral badger]

yes, but that's why i said "jump move + demo"

whichi s what we do there

[last saddle]

slamweaving

[olive nest]

Counter argument
Bads think it’s clunky

[flat willow]

Udk will still be the best dps in the game next patch

[olive nest]

[nova marsh]

Yes

So go back

Cuz arms will be trash next patch

[tacit crystal]

wrong aug

[scarlet widget]

ill try it , thanks for the tip maybe this will fix it

[nova marsh]

aug isn't a dps

[olive nest]

Aug, just can’t beat it xdd

[flat willow]

No, my name is we are so back to udk, if I went to acherus I'd just be another dk

[olive nest]

Omega buffs whatever spec is the best tuned

Literally can’t be bad

[pulsar frost]

Arms bad next patch ?

[olive nest]

Xdd

[flat willow]

I would be meaningless

[nova marsh]

next season I should say

Loose tier it's gg

[umbral badger]

just go to a dummy, jump move nad use demolish then you will get how it looks like when you do that. after that if you want to demo in a swirly, you jump out of hte swirly and use demo while your char is in the jump animation.

it does nto SOLVE EVERYTHING

but it helps

[flat willow]

Arms will finally not be disgusting to play in raids

And you might even go slayer on a few keys

[pulsar frost]

Maybe it'll be fine. S2 and 3 tier sets tend to be stronger

[scarlet widget]

is slayer now comparable in dmg to colossus in m+ , do we have any numbers after the changes?

[pulsar frost]

Like fury s3 set was so strong

[nova marsh]

sometimes yeah

But like remeber DF?

[pulsar frost]

No

I barely played that ahit

[last saddle]

whenever s1 set is strong s2 set is ass and the spec dies

[nova marsh]

Where our best tier set was arguably vault's?

oh

lol

[nova marsh]

This lmafo

[umbral badger]

why are we talking about tiers, arms warrior tier set is so good atm, at least for slayer's ST.

[pulsar frost]

I came back like s3

[nova marsh]

we had it for s4

[pulsar frost]

Cause we're talking about next season

Which tier changes

[umbral badger]

ah

[pulsar frost]

Each season

[woeful blaze]

Looking at the new notes, slayer is gonna catch up in m+?

[scarlet widget]

will do thanks