slayer has been competitive with other classes
#arms
onyx rapids
was wondering the same thing
minor gust
With these buffs will certainly help slayer feel better. I'm not sure but Colo likely still goto. But slayer will certainly continue to be good and playable if you don't like colo
minor gust
slayer has been competitive with other classes
Any numbers thrown around yet I don't got time to scroll through everything
random trout
With these buffs will certainly help slayer feel better. I'm not sure but Colo l...
thank god, im sorry arms w/o bladestorm is just disgusting
minor gust
Actually in tarded
nova marsh
Any numbers thrown around yet I don't got time to scroll through everything
#updates-midnight no need to scroll
random trout
playing WR w/o bladestorm in general lol
nova marsh
Goof
vivid current
Honestly love that if there’s an option based on how you enjoy playing each tree
minor gust
Numbers in update channel
silk rock
Blade storming is so you can sip your coffee it’s that long
minor gust
thank god, im sorry arms w/o bladestorm is just disgusting
I was doing slayer since 12.05 drop slayer still a good option. People say it does no dmg but like skill issue cuz I had no problem beating ppl and keeping up in 17s/18s
nova marsh
Tbh between the two....I kinda like demolish now
I stg
My opinion of demolish has genuinely flip flopped so much
silk rock
Colossus take a little more time to get good at I feel
nova marsh
Midnight slayer is great
minor gust
Most unfun dog shit in the game
frigid jewel
damn i feel bad for our Frost DK brothers
vivid current
Honestly I’ve started to love demolish after hating it. Something about it now feels really satisfying lately. Maybe it’s the increased frequency of being able to press it
silk rock
Slayer arms feels great I feel I don’t mind fury slayer either
vivid current
Still strongly prefer slayer though. I love bladestorm
nova marsh
actually
silk rock
Demolish take so long to farm back on pure ST
vivid current
Demolish take so long to farm back on pure ST
So I’m not crazy. I thought it was just me
quasi sapphire
Does this mean we can expect more buffs?
rugged hill
so is there a wall that happens at 15s and up for pugs or have I just had a horrible night. entered that range tonight and after 4 hours was only able to time 1.
nova marsh
Well yeah
hot cove
Does this mean we can expect more buffs?
nerfed back to the bottom in 3 days
#jinx
nova marsh
when you're loosing 2/3rds of your stack gen that come from cleave
youre gonna feel fucking trash
Honestly, if they don't want unhinged for colo, just make non-swept slams generate stacks
silk rock
If they could make demo faster farm on ST chucking in a SD proc and MS boom
cedar cairn
Slayer gang rise
silk rock
Buffs next MS by35 MS after demo 100% crit
hot cove
ngl, barely touched colo this season - how far behind is it on bossdmg/st in keys? roughly
nova marsh
ngl, barely touched colo this season - how far behind is it on bossdmg/st in key...
An entire universe
spark mango
ngl, barely touched colo this season - how far behind is it on bossdmg/st in key...
if they pull mobs on the boss for you, it does more damage than anything
funnel is crazy
hot cove
yeah thats not gonna happen in pugs, shame :P
spark mango
i mean if you tell em they do it, and some keys have it baseline
nova marsh
In higher pugs ur tank is trolling you if they don't
spark mango
like pit is a very good colossus key because 1 boss is 2 target the other is full of funnel
nova marsh
like pit is a very good colossus key because 1 boss is 2 target the other is ful...
and garfrost can be omega cheesed with a poly or paralsysis on a necro
spark mango
i just hate playing bosses on clossus without having my colossus buff on me
like the bird in academy
nova marsh
Academy is fucking pain for colo
quasi sapphire
In TWW s3 alot of tanks in a key above a +14 pulls mobs into bosses for funnel, now what happened? Almost none do that
nova marsh
because you drop your stacks like 3 times and can't do shit about it
spark mango
if you dont have shaman, and you drop your stacks and there is no funnel
you gonna be sweating to do more than a good tank
gentle gyro
Should we forget about Battlelord and Bloodborne in Slayer m+ and focus on critical thinking + bloodsurge?
hot cove
In TWW s3 alot of tanks in a key above a +14 pulls mobs into bosses for funnel, ...
I've had one tank pull mobs to any boss so far entire season :D maybe i need to start asking politely
nova marsh
Should we forget about Battlelord and Bloodborne in Slayer m+ and focus on criti...
Slayer dosen't need surge really
spark mango
Should we forget about Battlelord and Bloodborne in Slayer m+ and focus on criti...
why?
nova marsh
espically if playing optimally and only using rend as filler
spark mango
battelord is very nice and feels good
silk rock
Can they add the ability to track the collateral damage stacks again
spark mango
i hate we dont have it in raid
vivid current
Real question. If you guys have a sudden death proc in aoe in keys do you ever let it time out if other abilities are constantly up that are above it in prio?
still cove
Can someone explain to drunk me if i should keep playing arms or go to fury with these changes?
nova marsh
Real question. If you guys have a sudden death proc in aoe in keys do you ever l...
yes you just ignore it
still cove
and if so, is slayer arms now better?
nova marsh
No reason to press SD in colo aoe
vivid current
yes you just ignore it
Thank you. I felt so dumb letting it just time out
quasi sapphire
I've had one tank pull mobs to any boss so far entire season :D maybe i need to ...
I had just 3 only and its because the timer was sub 3-4min with incomplete % and we wouldn't time of we go back to kill the pack before or after the boss
spark mango
Because critical thinking might be good?
10% deep wounds and 10% critical deep wounds damage + fuck ton of free mortal strikes for 10% execute damage? dont think so
gentle gyro
and if so, is slayer arms now better?
They said only +6% in multitarget, which means still miles away behind colossus. But in ST should make your overall damage at the end much better. Only a real testing will tell
spark mango
and bloodsurge is so bad on slayer
silk rock
The biggest gain to keys is boss hp so whatever you can do to boost boss damage is the needle mover right ?
gentle gyro
I am tired doin 65k as col
nova marsh
The biggest gain to keys is boss hp so whatever you can do to boost boss damage ...
depends
spark mango
I am tired doin 65k as col
you pumping
nova marsh
In keys, sometimes just having aoe to make certain pulls possible or dangerous ones end sooner is a bigger timesaver
gentle gyro
Nah it really depends on the boss, I might do a 45k too If I want
vivid current
I am tired doin 65k as col
I’m tired of explaining that colo arms ST is ass
gentle gyro
Like fucking Vexamus or other bs boss
silk rock
Yeah true
gentle gyro
where I am completely locked out of the fucking fight
daring vine
I love Seat so I can pump the second boss
spark mango
Like fucking Vexamus or other bs boss
i mean if tank doesnt pull 2 wyrms on vexamus its criminal
if they dont, you even drop stacks before he appears
gentle gyro
I always get Those tanks
Also 4 mob packs the entire dungeon
So slayer should be better no?
spark mango
slayer was better in academy cuz of very dangerous bosses, but listen to this, removing mortal strike from reap the storm is what put slayer in this position
now you need to have opportunist and spam overpower
whilst your tier set extends duration of Cs with mortal strike
gentle gyro
They still have some work to do, Rend and DN still so ass I can't
nova marsh
honestly opp feels so awkward to play rn
spark mango
slayer went from cleave>mortal>overpower as filler to cleave>overpwer>mortal as filler
silk rock
Reap 30% is a lot no what’s the bad damage can’t check at work
minor gust
You don't have infinity op charges
silk rock
Base*
gentle gyro
Reap is usually really good, I am very hopeful for the next week
Very pleased with these changes
silk rock
Damn want to see numbers
spark mango
my biggest issue with slayer is raiding with it,, you cant get any aoe talents to pad on adds and as a full St spec you dont dominate St
nova marsh
my biggest issue with slayer is raiding with it,, you cant get any aoe talents t...
welcome to arms
minor gust
That's not a Slayer issue. That's an arms issue
nova marsh
I feel like we've been here since DF
minor gust
Yeah arms has had this issue since dragon flight
minor gust
Fury warrior is
nova marsh
Fury is, arms gets gigafucked evrey time
minor gust
They sacrifice nothing for their full AOE
gentle gyro
And is easier
spark mango
no, you actually need to be able to press a button that does aoe damage on demand without needing 10 talents for it
i'm happy with fervor being baseline, whirlwind having cooldown and proccing reap
minor gust
Yeah again it's not a Slayer issue. It's an arms issue
We need a full revamp. Rework to fix that issue
minor gust
Just remember the devs tried putting shockwave back into the third row
These are the deves we're dealing with
minor gust
Warbringer aoe increased to 12 yrds
spark mango
they want us to do aoe damage with our bladestorm and sudden death procs, whilst adds come to a boss fight on a certain timer, and what we dont have is exactly that, a certain timer,. most of the time i find myself either holding bladestorm or sitting on procs
jade ember
u rite
spark mango
i like being top overall damage in a dungeon, will stick to colossus, at least while meta tank is monk and people runnning decent enough physical comps in keys
minor gust
I beat a dev in a 17 WS the other day
nova marsh
W
nova marsh
No still W
vivid current
Until what key level is it trolling to play slayer? I love the play style but I definitely feel the aoe difference
minor gust
21
spark mango
they did 20s with it so
nova marsh
read above
minor gust
Or higher
nova marsh
Honestly if ur doing 21s
minor gust
If you arent doing a 21 key right now then you aren't trolling as slayer
nova marsh
....You're playing colo anyways for literally any survability gain u can get ig
spark mango
Honestly if ur doing 21s
you wouldnt be asking what to play on here
vast drum
Is playing with 2 funnel specs bad in general or does it not matter m+
vast drum
Ty
vivid current
Thank you fellas 🫡
minor gust
Ty
essentially you want those mobs you are using to funnel onto bosses to live as long as possible, and if two people are blasting them for funnel then they will die quick
vast drum
Okay that makes sense ty
minor gust
but like its not the end of the world
also if the non funnel guy is aoeing those shits to pad the meters then they are 100% trolling the key
love watching ret pallies divine storm when they shouldnt
neon shale
So the changes to Arms aren’t that big huh
nova marsh
love watching ret pallies divine storm when they shouldnt
This is why I've only played with rets in under 10 keys this season
balmy kindle
wew 8% buff in general to ST we back ?
sand totem
So the changes to Arms aren’t that big huh
8% is nothing to scoff at tbf
Assuming slayer ST ofc
balmy kindle
its 10% for slayer arms
still rapids
So what's our state now after the changes? Seems like colossus is gonna be huge now in ST no?
sand totem
Buffs are almost exclusively on slayer abilities
still rapids
Arms
Execute damage increased by 20%.
Overpower damage increased by 20%
Isn't that overall good?
eager sable
Is this 3 or 4 times in two months?
hard juniper
We dont really press execute very often
nimble zephyr
Arms
Execute damage increased by 20%.
Overpower damage increased by 20%
from 13k ST dps to 13.1k ST dps, congratz
still rapids
from 13k ST dps to 13.1k ST dps, congratz
pulsar frost
Isn't that overall good?
i mean yes but it favors Slayer alot more then COL
warm oxide
is fervor of battle* still gna be bugged
pulsar frost
col doesnt click exe for the most part, OP is lower in prio
slayer will ben alot from this tho since EXE is actually being used and OP is just higher prio then MS currently in aoe ibelieve
sand totem
Arms
Execute damage increased by 20%.
Overpower damage increased by 20%
Col doesnt really have an execute phase. If it were MS instead of execute, itd be a larger col increase than slayer i believe. But the other 2 abilities that got buffed, being Reap and Slayers Strike, mean that slayer is even farther ahead in ST than colossus, which kinda sucks
smoky kayak
the whole point was to put more power into Slayer, since its the disenfranchised hero atm
sand totem
the whole point was to put more power into Slayer, since its the disenfranchised...
Is it really??
boreal igloo
smoky kayak
I mean... yeah. Colossus/Thane stomp on it in M+ and Slayer doesn't really have any particular advantage
so they've increased its single target to give it more of a contrasted advantage to Colossus/Thane
sand totem
Ah fair, I guess i was considering in raid environments. But yeah M+ i can see ta point
I gotchu dawg
smoky kayak
obv people are going to have different preferences, but you can't really appease everyone, right?
stable fiber
from 13k ST dps to 13.1k ST dps, congratz
larping
smoky kayak
so the best you can do is just make sure each has some kind of strength, while (ideally) not being so far ahead that it feels like that's the only remotely viable option
cause otherwise, if one thing is just by far and away the best everywhere, then there's no real variety anymore
novel raven
Is it that bad for one hero tree to be the m+ tree and the other to be the meta raid tree?
Thats still better than 90% of specs
smoky kayak
Is it that bad for one hero tree to be the m+ tree and the other to be the meta ...
no, not at all
minor gust
8% is nothing to scoff at tbf
Assuming slayer ST ofc
not completely a 8% gain when you factor in the bug fix dps loss
smoky kayak
although ideally, content is varied enough and balance is close enough that you can justify playing either in each situation
it doesn't need to be completely equitable either - it's ok if Colossus is better than Slayer in M+, as long as it's not so much better that it feels like an absolute throw to play anything else
sand totem
not completely a 8% gain when you factor in the bug fix dps loss
Ah yeah thats fair
smoky kayak
and that is generally accomplished by giving them different strengths or capabilities
- Colossus is more multitarget, Slayer is more single target
- Colossus is more dependent on proper positioning, Slayer is more dependent on RNG
minor gust
RNG yeah
smoky kayak
if those things are like... 20% apart, then yeah it probably doesn't feel like you ever have a choice
but 5% apart? you can make an argument, even if sim/meta/feelycraft gravitates towards one
smoky kayak
competitiveness or top-end meta aside, I actually think this might end up remembered as one of the best balanced seasons in terms of being able to choose to play Slarms/Colossus/Thane/Slurry
vivid current
Do the buffs make it so that slayers single target warrants its use in keys over colos aoe? Or is it just up to personal preference?
full obsidian
competitiveness or top-end meta aside, I actually think this might end up rememb...
True daf
smoky kayak
Im on team remove BS CDR from Slayer and just put it back on AM
tbf it's not really an issue for Arms so much as Fury - the tier set does a lot of heavy lifting
gonna have to push for some kind of change for next season though
minor gust
tbf it's not really an issue for Arms so much as Fury - the tier set does a *lot...
It kinda just feels bad in a raid environment. Because you can get BS back in either 20 seconds or in 1 minute. Its not end of the world for me, but I would rather BS be back on AM instead
smoky kayak
I mean AM is the obvious because it dummy proofs it
minor gust
yeah
vapid sable
any colossus pumper in m+ to chat with me in DM rn?
smoky kayak
but it also creates a cross-talent dependency that I'm not sure is in the cards
minor gust
I mean that already exists right with ava
smoky kayak
its more the fact that they would have to change Slayer's Dominance to require Avatar or they would have to just add the CDR to Ava baseline and then come up with an entirely new effect for Slayer's Dominance
either way, they've avoided doing so for this long, so it seems unlikely
there are other options though
elder zealot
Surely with this Execute buff, we won't Cleave in ST any more right? (hopium)
smoky kayak
Surely with this Execute buff, we won't Cleave in ST any more right? (hopium)
you already don't
minor gust
there are other options though
you think like standardize the CDR? instead of 5 per stack its 15 regardless of stacks
full obsidian
Surely with this Execute buff, we won't Cleave in ST any more right? (hopium)
Yea that chanfed
elder zealot
I thought we already Cleave in ST if it's in execute range + ravager
full obsidian
That changed last patch or smthin
wind hatch
I thought we already Cleave in ST if it's in execute range + ravager
not since the midseason patch
smoky kayak
you think like standardize the CDR? instead of 5 per stack its 15 regardless of ...
potentially yeah, or fix the asynchronous bug that messes with those stacks in the first place
elder zealot
I mean Cleave as a filler that is, instead of Slam and Execute
Oh gotcha, thanks for the info
full obsidian
Now you slam as filler
minor gust
potentially yeah, or fix the asynchronous bug that messes with those stacks in t...
oh is something bugging our procs?
full obsidian
Theres always a bug bugging
smoky kayak
not the procs, but the way it expires
elder zealot
Wouldn't Cleave with Mass Exec hit harder than a vanilla Slam, and both cost 20 rage?
smoky kayak
basically after reaching max stacks, the buffs fall off faster than they should
wind hatch
Wouldn't Cleave with Mass Exec hit harder than a vanilla Slam, and both cost 20 ...
deep wounds is on slam now instead of cleave
smoky kayak
which means the window for getting that 15s of CDR is smaller than it should be
which means you get (on average) less CDR than you should
elder zealot
OH great point, nvm!
minor gust
I see
smoky kayak
which is part of the reason things don't line up as nicely as they're presumably intended to (especially for Fury)
elder zealot
For Slayer fury right? I thought Thane had Avatar and Reck synced
vapid sable
overpower buff looks pretty fine, colossus is already good in m+ so any more damage we get is huge
minor gust
which means the window for getting that 15s of CDR is smaller than it should be
ive started paying attention to my SS stacks. I hold SD at 1 stack if I have 1 or less slayer strikes stacks. what do you think? im not losing anything by holding as long as I spend SD before it goes out or at 2 stacks
smoky kayak
you mean Executioner?
minor gust
yeah sorry
smoky kayak
or are you trying to count strikes to time your SD procs?
smoky kayak
the bug isn't really something you can play around, unfortunately (certainly not with the base UI anyway)
minor gust
not for the bug but in general. not sending SD right away if I dont have stacks
smoky kayak
but no, unless you just start running out of other buttons to press, you shouldn't be explicitly losing anything by delaying that SD
you do run a minor risk of getting overlapping SD procs (3x strikes the same time as a natty proc) and overcapping if you're already sitting on one, but it's a pretty slim occurence
minor gust
yeah. I felt fucked over everytime I pressed SD right away when I dont have any executioner stacks or only one so im getting lil to no BS CDR
smoky kayak
definitely if you're concerned with your BS CDR, it's good to keep an eye on those stacks
and if you keep a real close eye on them, you might start to notice that bug I was talking about
elder zealot
The +1 sec on Avatar and CS?
minor gust
thats a different bug
elder zealot
Ah I guess there's another one I don't know about 😵💫
smoky kayak
I'm not actually convinced that is anything more than a UI issue; it's kind of hard to tie down
elder zealot
Oh wow really?
Surely we could just count how many IRL seconds passes vs what the game shows
and test it
minor gust
idk ive def pressed CS after a SD when it had 1sec left on CD and be confused why my CS isnt going off
smoky kayak
Surely we could just count how many IRL seconds passes vs what the game shows
if you've got a log casting exactly on timers and you've got a recording showing the cooldown on your UI, maybe... I don't have one
again I'm not saying it doesn't exist, I'm saying I've not seen enough hard evidence to convince me of what's happening
and with things like this that are hard to reliably replicate, it's difficult to really figure out
lyric pier
with this buff slayer arms more close to colossus in keys ?
minor gust
yes its closer
lyric pier
more viable ?
minor gust
Viable is up to you and what you mean by that
smoky kayak
nah, its so much closer that it's actually less viable
robust ridge
The closer it gets, the worse it gets
smoky kayak
The closer it gets, the worse it gets
the closer it gets, the less people feel special for playing it, so they start playin Colo instead 
robust ridge
Slayer just can't win
minor gust
I aint swapping to colo until they kill SD reap again
lyric pier
i usually play +13 ~ +15 key's im don t want to do higher key, and this level key the buff on colossus is not good for me, the add's die before the second cast of demolish
smoky kayak
all those slayer hipsters who only liked it cause it wasn't cool
minor gust
Turns out all they needed to do to make slayer a fun M+ spec is turn MFE into a buff not a debuff and add aoe onto SD
wowie
very difficult
elder zealot
I think they just did that for Unholy DKs; they made a debuff into a buff
and apparently it's much smoother now
smoky kayak
Turns out all they needed to do to make slayer a fun M+ spec is turn MFE into a ...
we fought for that back during TWW Alpha, best compromise they could make was causing your Strikes to always affect the primary target
which had to have been hellacious to code, cause it was buggy as shit for awhile
all that work only to finally make it a buff anyway 
minor gust
thats what they get for being stubborn and not just immediatly taking the feedback and making it a buff
smoky kayak
similar with Frenzy
I think they liked the concept of having more emphasis on priority targets, which is a fine idea, but just becomes so not user friendly in practice
burnt gale
As often the case, the person doing the coding doesn't get a whole of say in that the purpose of the code.
sand totem
Sorry if I'm a bit late to the conversation. How does executioner stacks affect our BS CDR?
unique bridge
So I assume for M+ colossus is still the go right?
unique bridge
or is the difference now marginal with slayer
minor gust
sand totem
Oh so its just the slayer strikes cause they allow SD procs
Oh
Wait
I had missed that last line on UO. Thanks Frozen
minor gust
🫡
Always take the time to just go through and reread your talents even if you already have.
Ive made this mistake before
sand totem
Oh wait no, I'm still a fool. Each SD still only reduces the CD by 5 seconds right?
Or am I totally fucking this up
minor gust
only if you have 1 executioner stack
if you have 0 executioner stacks and you press SD you will get no BS CDR
sand totem
OH I SEE IT. I was reading it as "reduce the cooldown of bladestorm" and "apply one stack of OW to your target per stack"
Like 2 individual segments
minor gust
yeah its not separate
sand totem
Fuuuck gotcha dawg
fallen anchor
@smoky kayak isn’t the double deep wounds dmg bug was from execute deep wounds not normal deep wounds?
unique bridge
I assume the Slayer M+ build is the exact same as before?
minor gust
I assume the Slayer M+ build is the exact same as before?
nothing will change with these buffs
unique bridge
sweet
smoky kayak
<@61282228017041408> isn’t the double deep wounds dmg bug was from execute deep ...
yes, the bug was Deep Wounds from Execute (although I would call that "normal" Deep Wounds, since Mortal Wounds is separate)
unique bridge
I like collo but slayer just feels smoother
silk rock
If slayer isn’t good can we close the discord
smoky kayak
If slayer isn’t good can we close the discord
you first
fallen anchor
Good cuz tbh am mainly pushing keys so this is kinda a buff for keys ST
vast hinge
barely a buff for colo
fallen anchor
Since as colossus u don’t play execute deep wounds
vast hinge
but if Slarms is good then im all for it
fallen anchor
Overpower buff is good
minor gust
hence why he said barely
smoky kayak
just to be clear, it's a buff to Overpower, not Dreadnaught
minor gust
just to be clear, it's a buff to Overpower, not Dreadnaught
sadly
fallen anchor
Yeah
smoky kayak
Colossus does benefit, it's just not that impactful for em
fallen anchor
It’s good for ST build in Academy
Now maybe I can do around 80k ST build in M+
Ofc with lust and everything
bleak arrow
soft venture
We’re getting a fucking buff?!?! Slayer in keys again?!?!
clever crag
Are those buffs real ?!?
clever crag
That looks too good to be true
unique bridge
maypril fools
soft venture
soft venture
Oh I thought someone said April fools
smoky kayak
they just got excited 
minor gust
nova marsh
Are those buffs real ?!?
Na blizz confirmed theyre a bug with their patch writers
clever crag
Is there a link for it ?
random trout
I just got incredibly fluent with colo, but I am so happy to go back slayer just makes arms so much more enjoyable imo.
neon shale
But Colo still better no
neon shale
For m+
fallen anchor
@smoky kayak is it now worth to use sudden death proc as colossus ? I mean does it now get high priority ?
fervent cedar
for M+ colo still better yes
clever crag
Will be close Ig
random trout
I don’t raid but I hear yah
fallen anchor
In warbreaker window
neon shale
Maybe Slayer in Skyreach
fervent cedar
slayer is absolutely playable tho
minor gust
Slayer is fine
neon shale
No bias ofc
minor gust
ofc
random trout
Chillin at 200k + overall then getting to a boss and doing 50k with CD’s feel awful (yes exaggeration, kinda, not really) but yall know what I mean lol
fallen anchor
Slayer needs more BS buffs to compensate for the deep wounds nerf
soft venture
I’m hoping with the buffs we can slayer in keys again
minor gust
BS is 2nd or top overall after a key its fine. just needed reap buffs and DN buffs
minor gust
I’m hoping with the buffs we can slayer in keys again
if you wanna play slayer just play slayer. Its a video game man.
maiden apex
Decent buffs to slayer it seems next patch
neon shale
I’ll def be playing both now depending on key
soft venture
if you wanna play slayer just play slayer. Its a video game man.
Yeah but in my keys it’s like 40k+ overall difference atm
neon shale
I am a slayer enjoyer as well
soft venture
Like 110-120 vs 150-170k at end of dungeons for slayer vs colo, at least in my experience
maiden apex
I accidentally joined a 12 pit as slayer st build and didn't do too bad actually
bright ginkgo
Its def not that big of a difference between Slayer and Colo, or something is weird with my keys
minor gust
Like 110-120 vs 150-170k at end of dungeons for slayer vs colo, at least in my e...
thats more skill issue than slayer vs colo issue at those numbers
fallen anchor
Btw the biggest difference is when u see top arms warriors they are always trying to pull adds into boss which increases ur dmg by an insane amount
bright ginkgo
We like funneelll
safe island
bruh
fallen anchor
For colossus u get almost 110% increase dmg when it’s 2 targets
maiden apex
Btw the biggest difference is when u see top arms warriors they are always tryin...
Yeah this. Colossus only pull really far ahead in good groups with add padding in higher keys for more demos imo
fallen anchor
From 74k sim to 126k
bright ginkgo
I killed 18 maisara on my brew monk because I wanted to add funnel onto 2nd boss MC heheh
That didnt work out well
fallen anchor
colo or slayer
If u want to push colo but if you wanna have fun play what you want
clever crag
I mostly care about raid now
safe island
what is more meta now
clever crag
Im tired of being in the mid
fallen anchor
Colossus
maiden apex
Im tired of being in the mid
Got some raid buff it seems tho. For slayer. Not the greatest but 4-5% maybe?
clever crag
Got some raid buff it seems tho. For slayer. Not the greatest but 4-5% maybe?
8%
Archi says
fallen anchor
Im tired of being in the mid
Even critcake is depressed when his raiding
clever crag
Finally breaking 100k sim maybe
fallen anchor
I feel like this tier especially for raid it’s the worst for warr in a very long time
fallen anchor
Only good for paladins and maybe 2 dragons
CN Arms was decent no ?
Or fury I forgot
minor gust
my memory is cooked Im not 100% either
neon shale
Yea I love to raid and I’ve completely abandoned it , cause we suck and the raid itself also sucks
fallen anchor
Rn fury is way below average and arms is Lower than average
I always find more fun in M+ tbh
I love this tier cuz our best trinkets come from easy bosses
Only sad thing is weapons but we have bonus roll
clever crag
Nah I enjoy it tbh
slow saddle
Rb build
clever crag
Slayer st feels good
slow saddle
Its low
slow saddle
Which
smoky garden
Developers’ notes: These tuning changes are aimed at improving Warrior performance overall as well as compensating for damage lost due to the Deep Wounds bug fix last week. We will continue to monitor Warrior performance and make further adjustments as needed.
OMG: we are gettng some love??? is this for real
radiant moon
so if we are bad even after buffs
we might get some more
sadly no ms buffs, but alas
i didnt read chat till now, any napkin mathers to calculate the overall impact of these buffs
radiant moon
<#1234949058121171069>
thank u
im aparently dumb, not like we stacking int anyway
zug zug
vocal flicker
How much Colo will get st buff with those changes?
stone beacon
what are the chances any time blizzard tunes arms they take skyfury into account
nova marsh
How much Colo will get st buff with those changes?
Not a lot
nova marsh
what are the chances any time blizzard tunes arms they take skyfury into account
If they did
nova marsh
We'd have fucking rage
stone beacon
If they did
well seeing as how during holy trinity fire mage got x3 nerfed because it was reliant on externals from 3 other specs i think blizzard is just that dumb
stone beacon
now buff rage gen and im pretty happy
thats what shamans are for
nova marsh
Tbh im at the point where I wonna say gg go next season
stone beacon
They just dont test with perfect compa
i think the original arms warrior nerf was because blizzard was looking at the dps arms was doing with sky fury in M+
kind of hard to find a non skyfury arms warrior at that high of a level though
radiant moon
yeah cuz it gives us so much
faint holly
Arms slayers M+ now?)
jaunty drift
I’ve been playing nothing but slayer in high keys this entire time
And been doing just fine
brazen sun
Arms slayers M+ now?)
if ST is quiet high then yes for slayer arms 100%
jaunty drift
St cranking good burst aoe and it’s consistent cleave is great if you do it right
Colo will do more in raw burst aoe now just how the spec is
white canopy
Thats nice, now you alternate when there are less funnel bosses again.
white canopy
And I can’t stand Colo
Colo is nice, big dam
white canopy
Slayer feels Amazing, ngl
jaunty drift
Colo feels wow look big numbies
On aoe
And then st I want to discover what lead tastes like
minor gust
If you are fine with the RNG then yeah Slayer owns
jaunty drift
Yea sometimes it goes nuts with rng to
minor gust
yup it swings at times
nova marsh
I dont like how swingy both specs feel
Its just slayer is swingy in aoe and colo is pure gamba on st
jaunty drift
My damage is always pretty consistent. Only thing I can say in M+ specifically is part of it relies on how your tank pulls tbh
jaunty drift
Yeah for sure
nova marsh
It never feels like it does for me
Idk maybe im just omega trash at slayer over colo
I also dont like op over ms personally
reef prairie
class feels cbt when no shaman tho icl
reef prairie
ya true
reef prairie
in aoe its also mainly fine
nova marsh
I dont get why I can't get slayer to work for me
I like a lot of it
Bs with unhinged and tier is a banger
slow saddle
Well in keys its baf
nova marsh
Ma
slow saddle
Bs makes cs drop off
nova marsh
Even pre reap change when it was pretty okay
slow saddle
Oki i made it work until last nerfs
slow saddle
Oh its shit
clever crag
Yeah its funny
slow saddle
But thats the 1 thing we lack stm
clever crag
I had bs in like 15 secs on Vora once
slow saddle
S03 proc rate of sd
The 2p
Cant remember what it did, but it gave us morr procs at a more fluid rate
Atm its silly
nova marsh
I just wish this class didn't feel gamba
If I wanted to gamba id play my rogue
Okay spec srry
slow saddle
I mean its proc based so some gamba
nova marsh
I dont mind proc based
slow saddle
But when u bind bladestorm reset to sd only...
deft bluff
Big buffs??
nova marsh
Like this is gonna be a stupid thing to say
clever crag
Instantly 170k dps
nova marsh
But arms has always been a Lil proc based
clever crag
True true
nova marsh
and crit based, more often tbh
clever crag
You guys dont remember spin to win arms tho
That was pure trash
This is S tier
Gameplay
More fun was only ToS peak arms
Or Aberrus
nova marsh
Yeah Ngl even if I didnt like ip
I liked abberus arms overall id say
Im one of the few who liked sks for that season
clever crag
Yeah Aberrus especially on 2t was so good
old glacier
Castle nathria fan over here.
tacit moat
is there a haste break point we want?
slow saddle
No
tacit moat
noted
nova marsh
is there a haste break point we want?
Ask the clanka
stone beacon
Fury in s2....as venth
execute fury warrior my beloved
i still liked spear beyblade build more
slow saddle
S3 fury had true gamba!!!!!
nova marsh
execute fury warrior my beloved
Honestly my favorite version of exe fury warr
nova marsh
Man gavel was....smth
stone beacon
they need to add back condemn
stone beacon
how else are warrior going to hunt prey without it?
slow saddle
To bad ion wanted to ruin early sl by lockin shit doen
Once full trees and flex was there
It was a great expamsion
Just needed 1 more raid
Every raid was good
Well kelthuzad was a let down. But thats prob due to expectations were 2 high
latent moss
nova marsh
Yeah
Felt like two different raids tbh in terms of quality
Ehhh
Nerzul kinda shit
old urchin
they need to add back condemn
YES
slow saddle
Tbh i want it but no
It messes with the str allowed of execute
Having it thst much
old urchin
At least let me glyph it for the appearance and sound since they scrapped it from massacre.
buoyant barn
So now we always play slayer in raid no ?
slow saddle
No?
slow saddle
Where col is stronf its strong
Slayer got 5% nerfed by dw fix
Buffwed 8%?
Col is same
old urchin
Im gonna try it next week for first three. But colossus is king for dargons and paladins.
halcyon valve
🙏 execute strong
slow saddle
Adds + cleave funnel
Yes
There are ebuff tbh
- 2t of col on its own shines
More demo resets
buoyant barn
We are still on salad bar so never tried tbh
slow saddle
Saladbar prog is fuey fight
old urchin
But even without the orbs we’re still hitting both bosses hard. I was trying to hold cds for the orbs when we first started prog on them but it wasn’t worth it
slow saddle
Wasnt it 8
buoyant barn
Since its already accounted for the DW hotfix from last week
Ye 8 sorry, i though about fury
wintry scroll
Is slayer close to colo with buffs in m+ or still not even close
slow saddle
Yes u can
slow saddle
Is slayer close to colo with buffs in m+ or still not even close
Not close. Col is one of the best sustained mass aoe speca with funneø
But u can play it np
1 spec gets 30% dmg per cleave
wintry scroll
I’ll stick to colo since im always shitting on the meta babies
wintry scroll
Tbh colo is meta
The ST is horrendous still
slow saddle
The ST is horrendous still
Nah
wintry scroll
In windspire and AA
wintry scroll
Dude 68K to 70K is nothing
slow saddle
And aa isnt bad
wintry scroll
Compared to what others do
old urchin
I always tell priests when I pug keys not to PI me on bosses and they don’t listen lol. They’ll watch the aoe dam and be like “HERE HAVE PI” and I do 50k ST lol
slow saddle
But u do significantly more prio and mass aoe
Like our st should // could be 5-10k higher y
I agree
hybrid needle
So we can play Slayer again 
slow saddle
U can try
wintry scroll
Yea im always way above in overall but i always get depression in pure ST
wintry scroll
We were top everything
wintry scroll
We didn’t need funnel to be top ST in df
slow saddle
I mean u obviously didnt play a lot then
We had 1t in raid as st master in perfect luck and timer fights
And only raid spex
More pug friendly by a mile
slim zenith
Is there any marcro tips tiks page? here for lvling atm 50 up to 80 and ofc to 90 =
fiery monolith
Just give mortal strike chance to proc reap the storm again and id go back to slayer in a heartbeat
wintry scroll
Is there any marcro tips tiks page? here for lvling atm 50 up to 80 and ofc to 9...
There is no macros u need rn
Just lvl up first then get on cursor macros for leap ,execute and charge
And avatar with /use 13 or 14
slim zenith
id figuer as much just like to get the marcro early so i use my time effisent to learn the stuff
also any good path in talents to go?
slow saddle
Just give mortal strike chance to proc reap the storm again and id go back to sl...
Nah was a good change
Makes exe feel better
Could add a 15% on normal exe though
Though could cause us 2 spam exe
So no sadly
wintry scroll
also any good path in talents to go?
Play whatever spec you want to learn they are all good
Or go to wowhead
slow saddle
Y tbh levelin who cares
deft tiger
From 74k sim to 126k
Can I see your sim please
wintry scroll
Yea the moment 2 targets come into play we do at least 120k dmmg
wintry scroll
Even with 2 i do 120 on first boss of maisara
rose matrix
Best thing in AA is a Survival Hunter that deletes the adds on first boss and still does less st by like 20k
wintry scroll
It’s more like 70% but yea
wintry scroll
Best thing in AA is a Survival Hunter that deletes the adds on first boss and st...
Those guys are beasts ngl
The first time i respect a spec is when survival is in my grp
rose matrix
Tbf they are easy as shit rn
slow saddle
Nah i hate em steals funnel
rose matrix
It's harder to know where to use feign death than it is to play Survival right now
slow saddle
Feels like a bad compliment 2 arms
wintry scroll
Nah i hate em steals funnel
But they make u sweat for it
warped owl
Does the overpower buff affect dreadnaught or would that be seperate?
rose matrix
Funny thing is that Survival could keep funnel up if they hold Boomstick
But I get why they don't
slow saddle
M8
wintry scroll
Dreadnaught is already like 10% of our dmmg or more if it was buffed archi would’ve mentioned something abt colossus
slow saddle
I miss good dreadnaught
warped owl
Ye that’s my thoughts
deft bluff
Are we back
slow saddle
No
deft bluff
D:
wintry scroll
Are we back
No
deft bluff
Are all
Those buffs not enough still
wintry scroll
With 97 logs
deft bluff
😔
rose matrix
All is going to planned
deft bluff
Why did fury get an aura buff but not us
rose matrix
Still not good enough in raid and buff slayer again and retire Colossus outside of like 2 dungeons
deft bluff
Is MS too strong
slow saddle
Are all
Those buffs not enough still
M8 a 3% buff
wintry scroll
Why did fury get an aura buff but not us
Bcz fury is shitte
slow saddle
Isnt like flippin dmg
warped owl
Fury is like bottom of the barrel
deft bluff
M8 a 3% buff
3% of my hope and dreams
slow saddle
Fury is like bottom of the barrel
Again not rly
warped owl
It fell off after padding adds died quicker
wintry scroll
A 100 log on fury still lands u the 11’th spot in details
wintry scroll
Probably never seen one
slow saddle
In a normal st fight
wintry scroll
Cuz i play fury in raid
warped owl
We still got dragons and palas helping us
slow saddle
Exactly
Carries arms hard
On the stats
Id wish they would release same stats removin those 2
And then look up only boss dmg
🤣
warped owl
It’s a padd tier so
thorn stream
Loose 4%, gain 4%
Balanced
warped owl
Do you look at statistics from 1 day or over 1-2 weeks to account for DW bug fix?
untold pewter
Do 1 day
unreal mountain
So basically 0 buffs to collosus right ?
unreal mountain
Meh
rigid flicker
more like making up for bug nerf on execute I guess
dreamy sandal
Would these slayer arms changes put slarms closer to before the 12.05 changes? or is it even better now perhaps? Mainly in m+ I mean
unreal mountain
What about the Talent changes for slayer in m plus ? We still gonna ignorieren MS in Aoe ?
slow saddle
We will need 50% ST buff to do human dmg 💀
I mean 5-8k
Would help a lot
Still bad, but imho havin mad funnel + aoe comes with downside
Id alsp rather fervors 50% hs dmg // slam dmg was just smacked directly into our st instead
So fervor was just the feee global
And the uptime on cs
thick kelp
Would these slayer arms changes put slarms closer to before the 12.05 changes? o...
Its mostly a raid ST talent setup targeted buff, in a m+ build the buff is way less and I doubt it will do anything to help. Theres a chance it might b decen in like the ST keys(AA,Skyreach)
slow saddle
Would make arms way more accessibld
slow saddle
Its mostly a raid ST talent setup targeted buff, in a m+ build the buff is way l...
Y if slayer can be made work
vestal smelt
How often do you have to press slam in m+ content? I am still levelling and I am having to press it a lot at around 37 or so
slow saddle
A lot
hybrid needle
In singletarget a lotlot
vestal smelt
I know you get procs of heroic strike which is fine, but I really don't like filling with slam in aoe if I have nothing else to press and the rotation thing on wowhead doesn't say you press it outside of ST
slow saddle
But slam is fine
dreamy sandal
Its mostly a raid ST talent setup targeted buff, in a m+ build the buff is way l...
Yeah, mostly wondering if we would play slarms in like Skyreach and AA
Or if its still deadge like now
slow saddle
I know you get procs of heroic strike which is fine, but I really don't like fil...
Y then i rend b4 i slam
hybrid needle
You RARELY press it in aoe, but it will happen
vestal smelt
Ok that's fine tbh
tough iris
I know you get procs of heroic strike which is fine, but I really don't like fil...
you can wait for autoattack
hybrid needle
Wait. We can have good luck on st ?
vestal smelt
Yea I know, I have played arms in DF and loved it but just haven't got a max level one atm to test how the rotation feels with gaps
slow saddle
Wait. We can have good luck on st ?
I saw some logs
slow saddle
Yea I know, I have played arms in DF and loved it but just haven't got a max lev...
Df was bettrr tbh
vestal smelt
In DF you filled with TC a lot which I actually really enjoyed
I'm assuming taking TC is just not really done in M+?
slow saddle
Nn
hybrid needle
Nah
slow saddle
Rend does the same
hybrid needle
You just press rend. I usually use rend over slam as a filler with more than 3 targets
vestal smelt
Is it a damage increase though to take TC and press that over slam to fill rotation? Or do you lose too much taking the talent
hybrid needle
TC has a big cd so it isnt really a filler
vestal smelt
Yea but if you're only occasionally needing to press a filler in AoE, surely a 5s CD TC is better overall?
hybrid needle
I dont have the exact numbers rn but its either the same or slightly less dmg than rend
vestal smelt
No I was meaning taking Rend AND TC and then just only using TC in the place of Slam when you have the occasional gap
slow saddle
Also if it was worth
Biz wouls do it
Tbh csnt remember last time i slammed in soe
Rend - cleave-op-ms
daring heron
rend does some initial aoe damage too
so no point in speccing tc unless you just want the animation
daring heron
wouldnt want to press it that often anyway
slow saddle
Dno how often u slam in aoe?
daring heron
slam isnt a terrible filler in the worst case in aoe, it does give collateral stacks
but ye it's not often
hasty pumice
Praying for slayer arms to be better now in skyreach and academy
hasty pumice
Also maybe the pug situation will ease up with all big specs getting nerfed, putting arms way higher in comparison
slow saddle
Add 50% to slam
hasty pumice
daring heron
Praying for slayer arms to be better now in skyreach and academy
i almost expect that to be the case
i pray it's better for every dungeon tbh it's way more fun
hasty pumice
i almost expect that to be the case
I really hope so, colossus feels so bad in academy and since both funnels have been semi fixed in skyreach I'd hope that to be the case
teal junco
so we can play slayer now?>
slow saddle
i pray it's better for every dungeon tbh it's way more fun
Its easier and more fun in pugs
hasty pumice
i pray it's better for every dungeon tbh it's way more fun
Unironically I enjoy colossus but in caverns demolish makes me sweat way too often. Press demolish into instant puddle beneath you
slow saddle
100%
hasty pumice
I am trying out in a group this weekend, hope it works well. I wanna push 21s 
slender raptor
Is there a way to sim the upcoming warrior buffs like the slayer buffs?
I did a 2min fight against aoe dummies in silvermoon and just added the percentages on top, though i dont know how accurate that is...
Seems like slayer is gonna be huge next week and im thinking about switching from colossus in higher keys
slow saddle
But col modifiers to cleave..
hasty pumice
I do wonder if slayer will now skip the mortal wounds execute talent since it's way worse anyways
slow saddle
Its still great
vast hinge
what was the point of the slayer nerf and buff?
why didnt they just leave it as is?
not like it was broken or anything
slow saddle
If u simmed sim value was always same
rigid flicker
what was the point of the slayer nerf and buff?
This is honestly the most frustrating part of it for me. Maybe there was some kind of problem? But I don't see it xD
vast hinge
nah i mean the .5
changing so that MS didnt proc reap or somehting
like the previous SLarms was kinda mid at best in keys and raid
maybe even underperforming
vast hinge
we pressed MS on cooldown though? wasnt an issue
rigid flicker
It's not bad at all. You want to MS the prio target anyway
I meant removing deep wounds from cleave though
And moving the damage to BS
slow saddle
we pressed MS on cooldown though? wasnt an issue
Ofc it was
Relative tuning in aoe and st // raid
Was made harder, besides i just want ms to slap
wicked aurora
bring back completely passive 100% uptime sweeping strikes
remove cleave
make MS hit hard
gg
tough iris
wait for sims guys
slow saddle
Very close esp if u remember to weave in cleaves
tough iris
with buffed slayer
slow saddle
I mean imho
wicked aurora
just to be able to sweep
deft bluff
If inly
slow saddle
Or replace sweep
And tuned accordinly
At like 24 charge? If they wanna keep same uptime
Then improved sweep makes ot 100%
sullen stratus
Guys what do you think about the new patch buffs for both fury and arms what would you say wins overall because the fury buff is more massive than arms
wicked aurora
Keep cleave
Cleave just feels weak visually/feedback wise, WW is much stronger in that regard and SOS was the goat
slow saddle
Feedback
My meter clancks
Big numbers
Wdym feedback u want him 2 grunt more?
I mean could get a more pronounced line, but thats clutter on screen
wicked aurora
Big numbers
A gun in an FPS can be broken but feel like ass to use.
The animation and SFX for cleave suck
high egret
So does Reap the storm only proc from cleave now?
I read that a lot of earlier changes were reverted but tooltip says cleave only
slow saddle
I dont like over the top
slow saddle
So does Reap the storm only proc from cleave now?
I read that a lot of earlier c...
Sd
wicked aurora
I dont like over the top
doesn't have to be over the top, condemn wasn't but hot damn did it feel great
olive topaz
Condemn had that big red paint streak effect which I really liked
wicked aurora
Condemn had that big red paint streak effect which I really liked
it also sounded meaty af
but like
frost scythe used to have the cleave animation
and they spruced it up
high egret
Ah ye
olive topaz
Frostscythe still does that Cleave animation with a 2H sometimes
slow saddle
Condemn had that big red paint streak effect which I really liked
But made hit come late
🤣
high egret
Also checked logs now on Vorasius where the spec doesn't include cleave and I had RtS there
slow saddle
Sd
high egret
Classic case of "ask first, think later", sorry yall
olive topaz
Condemn with sweeping strikes also did the Cleave animation with like a big red smear going across the enemies
So fucking good
chilly isle
Guys what we thinking, Slayer better than Colossus for pushing keys now?
stable fiber
Guys what we thinking, Slayer better than Colossus for pushing keys now?
i think pushing from 0-18 slayer is doable and arguably better then colossus come reset
umbral badger
are those changes enough to make ppl go slayer in m+ again ?
stable fiber
but once you get the good tanks at 19+ colossus probably is just better in some dungeons for funnel/prio
umbral badger
and hi xd
umbral badger
those changes seem like slayer in m+ is back and colossus ST is gonna be too far behinid
stable fiber
and the execute/slayer strikes damage is very good for prio
chilly isle
i think pushing from 0-18 slayer is doable and arguably better then colossus com...
what about over 18? slayer still worse?
stable fiber
probably dungeon dependant
like i think you always play slayer in skyreach now
lmfao
"slayer slayer"
go to bed me
tacit crystal
you can still go colossus in skyreach
chilly isle
:D
tacit crystal
you can para 2 mobs in the 2nd boss room
umbral badger
what about over 18? slayer still worse?
dunno with those changes i can see slayer used in top keys but you will need the goats to try it
tacit crystal
and play them there
slow saddle
and the execute/slayer strikes damage is very good for prio
I wonder if this makes us as good as b4 on lura?
stable fiber
I wonder if this makes us as good as b4 on lura?
better
slow saddle
Or was dw big better
tacit crystal
deserved
slow saddle
Im thinkin only p3
umbral badger
it's sadge to me when colossus ST is struggling like it is and then all warrior arms buffs are directed at slayer only "and yes also needed buffs"
stable fiber
ehhhhh