might want slightly different stats, but that's not overly important
#arms
smoky kayak
thick kelp
prolly shield -> mh
ivory tinsel
might want slightly different stats, but that's not overly important
Sword / Board have my 2 Embelishments on them
So no wrists or cloak. trying to see if at this point its worth crafting. I'm 277 ilvl as Arms
smoky kayak
how much its worth is entirely dependent on your crest and spark economy
ivory tinsel
I'm capped : /
with none to spend. i would have to wait till next week to craft 1 of them then following for the next
honest seal
if my weapon crafted and my wrist crafted / can i craft cape with embellishment? does that
ivory tinsel
if my weapon crafted and my wrist crafted / can i craft cape with embellishment?...
Can only have 2 embelishments at a time.
honest seal
does weapon count as embaleshment ?
ivory tinsel
does weapon count as embaleshment ?
If you put an embelishment on it when you crafted it, yes. Just mouse over it an it'll say unique-equipped embelished
silver sapphire
If you wanna take it off, put the keychain thing
willow jay
so cleave isnt used at all in ST?
rose matrix
Nope
robust cypress
Why would it
tepid citrus
Havent played since .5 update. We holding 2nd demolish or sending in AOE?
Is CS window staying open?
thick kelp
Promoting gambling I see
Gambling W
rose matrix
It's better to send on CD in most situations in AoE
If you have like 15+ seconds on CS when you get Demolish up there is pretty much no reason to not send it unless the pack is dead
10 or less on CS I tend to save it
tight basin
During BL you use Demolish after CS to get it once more, but outisde of BL in opening/rotation guide it says regularly you use it after 3x cleaves 1x MS, is that outdated?
ionic mica
During BL you use Demolish after CS to get it once more, but outisde of BL in op...
it essentially doesnt matter if you send on cd or hold for the next cs
tight basin
I'm asking if its better to use it right after CS if they are aligned to to cleave first.
ionic mica
if you have 10 stacks of colo might you demo right after cs
olive nest
The only reason you’d delay is to get more CM stacks
But on opener with lust you want to send it asap as mentioned
tight basin
Yeah since you get it 2nd time on the pull. I think it might be better using it asap otherwise as well since we now get cdr on it
olive nest
If ravager and Ava is up I’d send it right after cs regardless of CM stacks because you can omega buff your cleaves during that window with all 3 damage amps from your cooldowns at the same time
Ava buff + demo debuff + rav buff
tight basin
Yh agree, having all those buffs align happends mostly when the stars align as well though :p
olive nest
The more CM stacks the better but missing the window is probably worse
Idk feelycraft
ionic mica
unless its in raid you can try to get some CM stacks pre CS as well
so you arent sending a smol stack demo
ionic mica
yeah i meant for their BL opener question
which would be your first demo with no stacks carried into it cos raid boss
hybrid needle
do we have a way to remove chains in seat ?
dim basalt
do we have a way to remove chains in seat ?
Berserker Rage with Fearless talent
hybrid needle
oh yeah, cheers man
whole laurel
hey guys which one is better? radiance craft weapon or mhytic weapon + radiance wrist or some other pcs
dim basalt
Is cleave even worth taking
in what context
dim basalt
M+ its 30% of our damage
dim basalt
noble pivot
I feel like i have pretty good uptime on SS so I dont see the point of using it
noble pivot
But is there even a point to using cleave when you have SS up
noble pivot
Idk ive been playing it for the past few seasons and I've been doing ok
cosmic shale
cleave hits 3 targets, and SS will make your slam from fervor cleave as well
dim basalt
Would u mind explaining
The guides will
wintry scroll
when do we unlock the saddle
for m+
also is it worth to worth cleave with 3 stacks of colateral in ST or 2 target s ?
dim basalt
also is it worth to worth cleave with 3 stacks of colateral in ST or 2 target s ...
yes
wintry scroll
i use it cuz it's shiny and annoying but is it a dps loss
wintry scroll
I feel like i have pretty good uptime on SS so I dont see the point of using it
are you ragebaiting
wooden lava
Do you guys know if Fearless (Berserker Rage) breaks the gargoyle kidnap in Pit of Saorn
since it's considered a root
dim basalt
Do you guys know if Fearless (Berserker Rage) breaks the gargoyle kidnap in Pit ...
It doesnt iirc
For whatever reason
wooden lava
unfortunate
wintry scroll
no it doesn't u'll just have to wait for someone else to clear you
or shield break
vale warren
11411400
ionic mica
Do you guys know if Fearless (Berserker Rage) breaks the gargoyle kidnap in Pit ...
sadly fearless only works on slows/snares not roots
you can meld that if you are a nelf but otherwise you need someone to break you out or free you
tight basin
What dungeons has best bonus roll options for arms?
silver sage
Hey gang, is there a way to track if my Slam has become heroic strike without putting slam on my cooldown tracker?
I don't see a buff for it, though
silver sapphire
just put slam
silver sage
But it's going to mess up my 2 rows of 5 thing :(
silver sage
That's actually pretty smart. Thanks!
ionic mica
What dungeons has best bonus roll options for arms?
generally pit, everything but the cloak is crit haste, but would be best to sim all a dungeon droptimiser just in case
steep tree
wraith lichen
Yea u'll be fine
hot spear
i did it at 253 as fury it just took forever
hybrid needle
people did fabled slayer on like itemlevel 240 and vlaeera on 15 max, youll be fine. Enjoy the fight, its pretty fun
stable fiber
spec fury and its easy
steep tree
people did fabled slayer on like itemlevel 240 and vlaeera on 15 max, youll be f...
pretty stressful as arms
stable fiber
well good
its very easy
rampage glows = push it
tclap glows = push it
bang better then 75% of fury warriors
still cove
Anyone have a second to watch me run through my ST and AOE rotations in a channel? I am only doing like 50k ST as Slayer and Roughly 175-200k dps AOE as Colo. Not sure what the disconnect is here but i clearly suck atm. 280 ilvl.
winged phoenix
Male Orc sounds fixed yet?
still cove
Literally practicing on training dummies
full grotto
question for the raiders on mythic whats the first roadblock boss in voidspire?
rare kite
for pugging or for guilds?
full grotto
guilds
rare kite
paladins i think. atleast compared to the others
stable fiber
question for the raiders on mythic whats the first roadblock boss in voidspire?
the only hard bosses in that raid are paladins and cosmos
daring prairie
Cosmos is eating our butt with no mayo
im kinda suprised my team dosent attemp beloran first but this is why im a monkey and not an officer
Probably some math behind it
wind hatch
im kinda suprised my team dosent attemp beloran first but this is why im a monke...
beloren is worse
daring prairie
oh
stable fiber
overall worse loot i think
daring prairie
Ive been eating birds all my life Ima fry that fucking duck
wind hatch
Ive been eating birds all my life Ima fry that fucking duck
that fight fuckin suuucks
daring prairie
Well shit, guess i was wrong, ty for the warning! ill have to review that fight extra hard
spark mango
fury on prog, arms when comfortable
also parsing with arms is giga cringe and rng
Thane fury very straightforward, has damage for most phases and tanky
smoky kayak
yeah, parsing the first few bosses as Arms is painful
I don't think I'm ever gonna get a good saladbar in my guild
spark mango
dude the fact that reap the storm on aoe phase is make or break is very bad, wish we had a decent dreadnaught
hybrid canopy
gotcha, just was curious
spark mango
both bladestorm and reap the storm cant be relied on
hybrid canopy
warrior is my alt right now
kinda for fun/in case we're desperate for warrior buff
ty for answers 🙏
smoky kayak
honestly I think War is in a pretty fun place atm, the raid tuning just sucks
spark mango
but dont you hate it when as a proc class sometimes your procs fuck you up archi?
you get some sudden death and overpower procs and suddenly you havent spent enough rage to have your avatar for a certain timer. like wtf
smoky kayak
idk... there's usually enough going on that I haven't felt like I've been starved for procs
hybrid canopy
I assume wowhead is still good for arms yeah?
spark mango
I assume wowhead is still good for arms yeah?
great
smoky kayak
there are a few things I'd like to improve though
- delete Ravager
- less reliance on Skyfury
- rework the slam/overpower talents
but on the whole, the gameplay is actually p fun
spark mango
dont you think sudden death should count toward spent rage in all regards?
smoky kayak
I don't even hate Crushing Combo as much anymore, now that its only 3 in a row
smoky kayak
dont you think sudden death should count toward spent rage in all regards?
honestly I don't really care all that much
as in, its not something I find myself ever really thinking about
spark mango
i would like it to be so for sake of consistency of getting good anger management timings
smoky kayak
I don't feel like it's all that inconsistent; if you're really desperate to get AM back on time for something, you can just choose to press Slam instead of SD a couple more times
ionic mica
the amount of sd procs you would have to get to mess up AM timings you would probably just be happy you get to blast SDs
smoky kayak
which isn't a big deal for me, since that's a very specific situation - most of the time you don't really care if it comes back up a few seconds sooner or later
I do think that they need to revisit Bladestorm CDR once we lose the current tier set though
those lineups are already a problem for Fury, and are going to get worse for Arms once the set no longer handicaps CS uptime
spark mango
played some fury slayer dungeons, hard to keep up with any class
and the St is not big enough to make up for lost inconsistent aoe
maybe that fucking talent needs a revisit aswell
Rampaging ruin
rigid thorn
Is arms worth swapping to if my raid team doesnt have skyfury
spark mango
Is arms worth swapping to if my raid team doesnt have skyfury
idk about numbers or your comp but i just feel stronger as colossus in dungeons with any comp
smoky kayak
maybe that fucking talent needs a revisit aswell
a big part of the issue is Executioner - there's a major bug with asynchronous buffs causing them to fall off sooner than they should, which really hurts the ability to get reliable CDR on BS
smoky kayak
press your buttons
fair tinsel
lmao
spark mango
So what do you guys do to not be on same single target as BM monk?
honestly using wrecking throw and charge weaving helps your St a lot if you down on your luck with procs
helped me
track your swing timer and charge
heavy dune
I need a recommendation for a way to slap a big ass Dstance icon in front of my character to remind me I'm in D stance and dont forget that I'm in for many pulls. any ideas on addons to do that?
tight basin
How much difference does swing timer make nowdays when ur standing still an dpsing?
heavy dune
I see "Dstance" by immortalnite that seems to do that actually
spark mango
How much difference does swing timer make nowdays when ur standing still an dpsi...
probably very minor but rage mangement is a big part of arms the way i see it, specially without skyfury
heavy dune
there is an addon
"Dstance" is indeed working and exactly what I was looking for. Thank you
spark mango
nice
steep walrus
how can you consistently double demolish in one cs?
paper gulch
how can you consistently double demolish in one cs?
Good battle lord procs and good crits from MS with sweeping strike and stacks from cleaves
During lust as well for CDR
hybrid canopy
is it still mostly slayer raid colossus m+?
spark mango
is it still mostly slayer raid colossus m+?
yeah except the vanguard boss
hybrid canopy
icic, ty
crude rapids
Colo on dragons too no?
spark mango
mythic yes heroic no
manic river
Question, since the in game CD ui that blizzard put in doens't register when your slam becomes HS (It only shows in the tradinional skill slots) are you using some addon to keep track of it or is there and option inside the game system to make a custom one for it?
nova marsh
Question, since the in game CD ui that blizzard put in doens't register when you...
Use ur bars
Guys
I know how to fix arms
Windfury scroll
silver sapphire
@manic river EUI
manic river
EUI?
nova marsh
GOD DAMN
stable sapphire
YES
sharp galleon
SOMEONE PINCH ME
fallen locust
about damn time
sharp galleon
IS IT REAL
nova marsh
That reap buff seems neat
silver sapphire
Where's those changes?
reef prairie
TURN ON THE TV ANY CHANNEL
fading isle
we r so back
naive steeple
Aaaaaaah
slender grove
Slayer in key ? 😄
stable fiber
HOLY SHIT
nova marsh
no more shitty shit ST damage with colo
our ST will still be shit
ionic loom
Unless
stable fiber
colo st is practically unchanged in dungeons lmfao
but
this is insane for raid
like that is a lot in raid
nova marsh
Not even just that
vast hinge
we'd just go Slarms though
nova marsh
Slayer might be genuinely good in keys again
vast hinge
look at the buff to all the slayer abilities
bleak arrow
are we hype now?
rare kite
nova marsh
Shit I might even pick law back up
vast hinge
i hated colo anyway, fucking demolish badcircle magnet
stable fiber
arms unironically
nova marsh
They deleted cloud cover Thank god
stable fiber
meta in m+ btw
stable fiber
best spec in m+ finally
nova marsh
Tbh I'm also happy fury got buffed too. I look forward to that
Some good variety in the warrior department now
modern cove
i guess fury will perform better in raid than arms now
nova marsh
i guess fury will perform better in raid than arms now
Besides vanguard
heavy dune
so hype
nova marsh
Nope
vast hinge
is basically a mega buff to warriors already
nova marsh
rogues isn't a buff
earnest imp
Wonder if i should go fury on mythic cosmo on wednesday
nova marsh
well, outlaw isn't really a buff
It's just evening out blizzard shooting trickster in the head
vast hinge
oh is the aura 5% 7% not buffs?
nova marsh
sudden fox
I dont wanna go fury again, you cant make me
nova marsh
These are more important
reef prairie
is time to just always slayer keys
vast hinge
does the enhance buffs makei t more viable too?
rose matrix
Is slarms in keys back on the menu
nova marsh
is time to just always slayer keys
I doubt that
vast hinge
would love if enhance is meta so healers dont fucking take a aug
rose matrix
At least for AA right
limber valve
slayer is just insane now eh
nova marsh
I think realistically we're just gonna go back to it being pref
For AA it's slayer all the way thou
Like it's trolling not to I'd say with those buffs
rose matrix
Maybe npx
reef prairie
really wish they'd give colo some st love
last lynx
they should nerf BM ST so colo ST looks better
nova marsh
nerf BM cuz fuck BM
dreamy sandal
HOLY
hidden meadow
link pls ?
dreamy sandal
I can finally play Slayer in algathar again
reef prairie
warrior is going to be disgusting in raid i think wowie
rare blade
holy fuck its a beautiful day
nova marsh
Yes but
latent basin
Please guys tell me I wont be playing fury because it deals more ST
nova marsh
Please guys tell me I wont be playing fury because it deals more ST
Just play arms and pad
🤷♂️
stiff flare
They may end up being around equal tbh
granite swift
THOSE 50/50 ODDS CAME THROUGH WHAT
nova marsh
Tbh I wouldn't doom, wait for sims
granite swift
unholy and devourer nerfs pinch me
heavy dune
basically better than christmas right now
midnight root
stable fiber
i guess fury will perform better in raid than arms now
no?
granite swift
oh just seen the fury buffs dayum
stable sapphire
@stable fiber we r so back
proven veldt
arms execute on p3 l'ura now........
sharp galleon
i been progging alleria as arms so im prob just gonna keep doing that
proven veldt
yea, same
nova marsh
Just like
bleak arrow
https://www.wowhead.com/news/augmentation-evoker-and-devourer-dh-nerfs-upcoming-...
okay, but like, how much of a buff is this
nova marsh
Let the monkies do it
nova marsh
okay, but like, how much of a buff is this
Give archi time to get back to us on
stiff flare
okay, but like, how much of a buff is this
1%
somber vine
meager thunder
upper sparrow
I TAKE IT BACK, SLAYER FOR LIFE BBY
dull ridge
grave mulch
MORE ARMS BUFFS IS HELLA GOOD!!! LETS GOOOOOOOO
nova marsh
MORE ARMS BUFFS IS HELLA GOOD!!! LETS GOOOOOOOO
CHANGE THAT NAME
grave mulch
CHANGE THAT NAME
Ive been not around LMAO xD will do
granite swift
Tbh I kinda wish colo st got more love
honestly same but will fkin take this
calm hollow
Ppl forget that we got the buffs because we just got nerfed with a hotfix 
nova marsh
I mean
blizz said it was for both
To serve as a buff and to compenstate for the bug
stable fiber
Ppl forget that we got the buffs because we just got nerfed with a hotfix <:keks...
well it was a 4% nerf to a 10% buff
calm hollow
Its a good compensation
stable fiber
ill take it
calm hollow
Yea
nova marsh
it's overcompensation lol
sudden fox
We need overcompensation
nova marsh
But like shit I can't complain
calm hollow
Its a well needed compensation
nova marsh
hmmm
stoic oriole
it's overcompensation lol
Shhhh
nova marsh
I'd ask if this means we play slayer in seat now
sudden fox
I was on the cusp of rerolling for lura
grave mulch
i was gonna play warrior this season but we had like 2 fury warriors so i became the monk to give the warriors the buff
granite swift
hmmm i've calmed down now that this might not be enough to take over colo im m+, still take it tho
bleak arrow
well it was a 4% nerf to a 10% buff
so thats like what, a net 5-6% buff
nova marsh
hmmm i've calmed down now that this might not be enough to take over colo im m+,...
For certain keys like AA
it probally is
stable fiber
so thats like what, a net 5-6% buff
more prob
nova marsh
AA is probally a 1,000% slayer angle key now
granite swift
For certain keys like AA
honestly if its not a hard gap ill prob play slayer in more keys
dark minnow
is arms collosus dead
nova marsh
Personally if I keep playing I'll only play slayer in AA
terse oxide
tell me i aint gotta go back to fury at all lol
vast helm
we believe right?
nova marsh
because I just don't like the rng
even if colo's ST makes me wonna throw my head against a wall
vast helm
maybe fury rise too , good news
nova marsh
But I doubt it
shy dew
ty god
hybrid needle
How viable will that Update make slayer
latent basin
Where do Theroycrafters post the actual Numbers after tunning?
shy dew
prob a lot bcs reap got a huge buff
shy dew
i mean colossus prob will be better for aoe
bleak arrow
Archi's slower deal with it
we dont even have a profile on simc website smh my head
grim oasis
@languid torrent WAKE P
shy dew
but slayer will be giga st
grim oasis
!!
bleak arrow
not gonna be a great annual review for achi
vast hinge
noxivs gonna be happy
nova marsh
Dude it's been half an hour lol
nova marsh
I'm happy to have an off spec finally
hybrid needle
Ngl tho fury desperately needed that buff
stiff flare
mt maybe a bit better than col arms but maybe slarms will be decent aswell
hybrid needle
U know who else will be real happy?
@minor gust
nova marsh
mt maybe a bit better than col arms but maybe slarms will be decent aswell
all feelsycraft
Until tuseday
languid torrent
<@174364071238303744> WAKE P
holy fuck war buffs
granite swift
damn fury might be fat?
calm hollow
Now we will sim above 100k, HUGE
vast hinge
it'll be a slayer key every key
hybrid needle
Doubt it too
hybrid needle
Even with rts buff the procc chance is still yikes
granite swift
Slayer was still behind in aoe
they will stretch ahead even more in the ST now tho
nova marsh
If anything, this will likely make slayer about the same as pre-.5
nova marsh
they will stretch ahead even more in the ST now tho
Then you swap depending on your groups needs
Do you have infinite aoe? Go slayer. Is ST compotently covered by your other two dps? go colo
hybrid needle
At this point im just surprised they nerf dh
hybrid needle
They prolly saw the Video of the dev with 2m dps in academy first pull and went like "oh... that.. might be a bit too much"
elder path
Without Aug too right
nova marsh
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/V0_6zmPD1jg This one is with aug
nova marsh
Oh lol
I found it
dude that's actually illegal holy shit
ik it's with aug but fuck
vast helm
maybe fury for keys now ?
vast helm
dunno the number
nova marsh
Again, let the numbers be crunched
hybrid needle
Fury will still have lower aoe
hybrid needle
Everything has better st than colo
nova marsh
I mean yes
earnest imp
8.5% for slayer arms i reckon
surreal spade
so
rose matrix
I mean you'll play Colossus in Pit
nova marsh
it's probally gonna go back to how it was during 12.0
surreal spade
slayer can be back next reset?
nova marsh
I honestly think it comes down to how much ST matters
hybrid needle
I guess its really a question of your group comp
nova marsh
and colo will be played in more then pit
earnest imp
8.5% for slayer arms i reckon
in ST
rose matrix
So like 2 dungeons
hybrid needle
Wait what
rose matrix
Instead of all 8 like now
nova marsh
I mean I still don't know
hybrid needle
No way the rp is long enough to walk out change specc and wall back in
rose matrix
Idk my guess is Slayer Arms is back
nova marsh
No way the rp is long enough to walk out change specc and wall back in
Portal
Portal out, respec, go back in and youre at the last boss
I do agree
slayer arms is back
earnest imp
8% slayer arms keys i reckon
robust ridge
No way the rp is long enough to walk out change specc and wall back in
I've seen Biz / Crit do it in Seat and WS
nova marsh
I don't think slayer is gonna overtake colo overall
native rock
Hello guys, what is the best way to sim myself for aoe and single target? Is dungeon slice viable?
silver sapphire
Just do 5 target dummies
nova marsh
Hello guys, what is the best way to sim myself for aoe and single target? Is dun...
dungeon slice is not currently supported
silver sapphire
What if SS was just a copy of blade flurry
hybrid needle
Well if slayer will be close to col after that Patch ill play slayer. Its just way more fun
vast wyvern
Are the ulria sheets up to date with warrior sims? (before buffs)
nova marsh
Yeah
I think slayer vs colo will become a choice
Personally I just like colo more because of less rng
wind hatch
I think slayer vs colo will become a choice
realistically I think only AA
sacred summit
wind hatch
even then colo just has the edge in survivability
hybrid needle
Where is my napkin math
neon shale
Hol up, are we slayer now
elder zealot
yeah, 5% DR + Veteran's Vitality add up over the course of a dungeon
polar portal
Hopefully
rose matrix
It really depends on the ST difference
Wouldn't take a lot to make it worth over Colossus outside of a few dungeons
silver sapphire
if slayer made me bigger i'd like it more
fallow cypress
elder zealot
if slayer made me bigger i'd like it more
For real, Mountain of Muscle and Scars is my fav talent in the game
polar portal
Slayer makes you spin
elder zealot
Cool name, simple and useful effect, bonus unique cosmetic effect
nova marsh
realistically I think only AA
AA is the only dungeon where it's just a straight slayer key and colo is trolling
hybrid needle
AA is the only dungeon where it's just a straight slayer key and colo is trollin...
Well all top keys are col there rn since the slayer nerf
It MIGHT just bring it back on there
stiff flare
this prolly brings slayer in m+ around where it was maybe a bit better
elder zealot
If any class has 2 viable hero specs that are very comparable, then I'd say that's amazing
Most other classes and specs in the game are funneled into one
stiff flare
yeah i think warrior dps switches between the 2 which isnt happening in many other classes so its a w
elder zealot
Big W! Very happy with these changes
frozen crater
nova marsh
I'm happy to see fury back
stiff flare
yeah as long as one of the specs owns im happy geared for arms last 2 weeks
hybrid needle
Breaks my heart to see everyone so happy when in reality we still dont hit nowhere near other classes 
wraith lichen
Comparison is the seed of defeat
nova marsh
honestly man
I don't care
Comparison is the thief of joy
And also weren't you the one telling me to be a bit more positive?
wind hatch
Comparison is the thief of joy
insanely true
hybrid needle
I just want to bladestorm thru my keys. Zugzug and be happy 
nova marsh
And now you honestly probally can
stiff flare
i will never not play warr zug zug til i die
wind hatch
the only people I compare myself to are other warriors
hybrid needle
the only people I compare myself to are other warriors
If im starting to compare myself to you id go cry in a corner qnd never come back so no thankcyou
novel raven
I mean m+ players should be super happy
nova marsh
Can't be worse then my greedy ass
nova marsh
I mean m+ players should be super happy
Why wouldn't raid
novel raven
The boogiemen all got pretty decent nerfs and phys comp should be ballpark the same
hybrid needle
I mean... i hit 3,5k earlier, means im not completely bad... right ?
craggy moon
What % of DPS will we get on Wednesday buffs in the Colossus build m+?
nova marsh
What % of DPS will we get on Wednesday buffs in the Colossus build m+?
Wait for archi to crunch
we don't know
mint patio
Archi usually posts the % in updates with biggers tunings after a day or two
hybrid needle
I wouldnt expect tooo much of a dmg increase
stable fiber
Not much for colo in m+
10% for slayer in raid
echo tendon
yeah its a big buff for slayer
hybrid needle
10% from before or after wounds nerf
lofty wave
speaking of comparison, i'm shit, but separate from working on that, curious about fury vs arms, how significant substats are to that equation, and if someone much smarter than me could tell me how much i need to care about crit gear before switching, raibots shows my sim delta at like 19k for single target fury > arms
novel raven
Colo gets a funnel buff with the fervor of battle fix
stable fiber
it increases ur sim dps by 10% just think of that
wraith lichen
dont find on wowhead
warm fog
https://www.wowhead.com/news/augmentation-evoker-and-devourer-dh-nerfs-upcoming-...
Demonology over there just laughing
stable fiber
its prob more then 10%, the execute/op buffs are like +7% alone
~12% perchance
idk i like making things up but thats a educated guess
nova marsh
speaking of comparison, i'm shit, but separate from working on that, curious abo...
If you want an honest opinion, just swap your jewelery for hast mast pieces
and you are probally mostly fine
fervent cedar
we are so back
hybrid needle
~12% perchance
So basically slightly better than before wounds "fix"
wind hatch
idk i like making things up but thats a educated guess
insane feelycrafting
lofty wave
If you want an honest opinion, just swap your jewelery for hast mast pieces
i mean from fury to arms, i have like 666 crit or something right now
wind hatch
this is a pretty significant improvement
stable fiber
it didnt
ashen trout
what we thinking twins
nova marsh
i mean from fury to arms, i have like 666 crit or something right now
That's a bit worse, but still same thing applies just for haste crit.
wind hatch
what we thinking twins
happy
stable fiber
12% on sim
granite swift
i dont get why arms couldnt have had the 5% flat buff too like fury? are they scared of colo aoe here?
stable fiber
good
lofty wave
That's a bit worse, but still same thing applies just for haste crit.
thank you o7
nova marsh
i dont get why arms couldnt have had the 5% flat buff too like fury? are they sc...
because arms REALLY dosen't need it
Slayer needs god
And we overall need more ST
And colo already has good aoe
hybrid needle
Well, i mean, we could have 5 and fury couldve gone 10
hybrid needle
But fury getting the % over arms is acceptable
thick dirge
Wonder is slayer arms in on the menu in lower keys again.
wind hatch
Wonder is slayer arms in on the menu in lower keys again.
for sure imo
nova marsh
try it out tuseday!
wind hatch
it wasnt even that bad before
cold cargo
Demonology over there just laughing
all meta specs nerfed except demo lmao
jade ember
Just gonna be Slarms in keys from now on you can't stop me
cold cargo
even frost mage nerfed
nova marsh
again
wind hatch
i do really enjoy slayer in keys
nova marsh
it's probally not gonna be better then colo
granite swift
Please just be better than Colossus
wind hatch
but I think colo is still meta in most keys lol
arctic creek
slayer feels so much better to play
proven veldt
I think people also enjoy playing the same things in keys and raids for muscle memory/ease/repetition etc.
nova marsh
I lvoe how I can disagree and think slayer feels like trash
wind hatch
wow I actually guessed 8%
stable fiber
W feelscrafting
wind hatch
feelycrafting god
nova marsh
Espically with MS being off of reap it makes the rotation feel odd
to just
leave MS there
Even more so with Blord
+The rng
spice epoch
It would be if you either have a sham or not to play slayer/col?
nova marsh
I mean that too
But honestly colo's rage is pretty okay with rend in aoe
St it's unplayable thou probs
fallow shuttle
It would be if you either have a sham or not to play slayer/col?
Returning arms player here - which one prefers sham more?
nova marsh
Returning arms player here - which one prefers sham more?
Colo
fallow shuttle
Ty
nova marsh
If you don't have shaman I'd lean towards slayer honestly
Or hell fuck it
even go fury with the buffs
warm fog
all meta specs nerfed except demo lmao
They were in the exact right spot. 4th in overall myth raid damage, top 8 in boss damage. Dodge the nerfs and they are the new top end benchmark the other specs brought down to. Still an m+ powerhouse
spice epoch
Ya If I couldn’t get the sham buff I would play my rogue
nova marsh
Brooo
spice epoch
At least for the recent patch
nova marsh
You just log off
spice epoch
😂
arctic creek
They were in the exact right spot. 4th in overall myth raid damage, top 8 in bo...
demo is too squishy in actual high keys
nova marsh
"Brb guys leeme grab my rogue, no shammy"
vast hinge
They were in the exact right spot. 4th in overall myth raid damage, top 8 in bo...
our healer is refusing to heal demo lol
They have no defensive
Need babysitting every aoe at 19 20
spice epoch
"Brb guys leeme grab my rogue, no shammy"
Hahaha that’s literally what I did I shared keys with my duo
nova marsh
Omfg that's hilarious
warm fog
Oh wow didn’t realize that
warm fog
Worse than frost mage?
nova marsh
Warrior just like "brb relogging"
vast hinge
Mage is worse but demo is kinda like bringing an Aug without the zephyr lol
cold cargo
I thin outlaw is + arms is gonna be real good next week
spice epoch
Bruh I did a 17 on the sub with no lust because we couldn’t get a sham
cold cargo
outlaw pumping big already
warm fog
I just see them shitting out damage in 16s
nova marsh
I thin outlaw is + arms is gonna be real good next week
Outlaw is a nerf
cold cargo
really?
nova marsh
yes
cold cargo
i just looked at overall tbh xd
spice epoch
Should see the rogue discord they going wild
cold cargo
didnt keep reading
vast hinge
16 keys are basically vault keys at this gear level
anyone that does damage will look good
At 20 only specs that can live will be good lol
warm fog
Fair fair
cold cargo
16s now are just 12s in tww
warm fog
Is the devourer nerf even enough?
vast hinge
Or do so much damage that teams are willing to bring resources to help them live
vast helm
does OP buffs affect on DN?
ocean dust
how big is the warrior buffs any estimations ?
nova marsh
how big is the warrior buffs any estimations ?
Check #updates-midnight
heavy pewter
8% isn't that huge for raid, no?
thorn stream
Wat
heavy pewter
Like, I still won't be picked over a mage
wind hatch
8% is a pretty significant buff
spice epoch
With 4 melee spots, I think you’ll still get a spot unless tank is warrior
limber cove
thorn stream
does OP buffs affect on DN?
Good question
wet scroll
Anyone run the numbers yet? Can I play slayer now?
charred brook
8% is a pretty significant buff
Really only like 4%
crystal urchin
charred brook
We lost 4%ish last week, gained 8% this week
hexed quiver
slayer more powerful than colossus in raid??
charred brook
So we got a lil sumthin
nova marsh
slayer more powerful than colossus in raid??
still has been for the entire tier besides like 2 fights
hexed quiver
still has been for the entire tier besides like 2 fights
ok..thanks
nova marsh
we get more ST 🙂
and colo is only really run on Dragons (on mythic only) and Vanguard. Maybe imperator if you can pad
wispy kettle
hexed quiver
we get more ST 🙂
sorry bro im korean. i can english very short. what is ST?
sacred anchor
Single Target
hexed quiver
thank you thank you
polar sundial
we playable now or what men
stable fiber
did they buff arcane
nova marsh
we playable now or what men
tbh we've been playable
keen siren
Seems like pretty big buffs
jade ember
Yeah Colo Arms is crazy in keys you just have to deal with tank damage on pure ST fights
hoary crest
won't change that much for raids imo but we'll see
hazy flower
prepping arms @thick kelp
hidden meadow
prepping arms <@865605822638063647>
Gl
hazy flower
not a fan of gearing 4th character this season
hazy flower
4h and im in bed
nova marsh
Bro
hidden meadow
4h and im in bed
4th character 280 ?
nova marsh
I barely did 2
hazy flower
my demon hunter is stepping into too high of a key level on way too low of an item level
hidden meadow
I have 2 280 and im laz
nova marsh
actually that's a lie
spark mango
nice buffs
nova marsh
my rogue is 278
elfin vigil
Feels like the execute buff pushes slayer in keys too
spark mango
in some of them yes
i think we will go back to slayer in nexus,academy,skyreach and MT
if we wnat the St damage
wooden lava
Dipshit devs are so late on any worthwhile tuning, it'd be better if I raided in a 4fun CE guild to take advantage of buff timings
nova marsh
Good enough for me for L'ura
tbh if I got CE I'd genuinely be done for the season
I kinda wonna be done with the season rn
The tuning is so trash
spark mango
Dipshit devs are so late on any worthwhile tuning, it'd be better if I raided in...
you are in a 4fun ce guild
wooden lava
Not the hours we raid
spark mango
its like week 8th or sth
wooden lava
My boy how many guilds do u think have killed L'ura on NA servers
restive plover
6 7?
wooden lava
spark mango
bhahaha
rain fiber
is there a way to use Sensei's Class Resource Bar to make a bar to track sweeping strike stacks?
elfin vigil
The blizzard cooldown manager can set up your sweeping as a track bar
nova marsh
The blizzard cooldown manager can set up your sweeping as a track bar
I assume they mean as a segmented bar
The track bar does jack shit
ss has infinite duration
elfin vigil
Shows number at least
nova marsh
okay "infinite"
yes but that's not what they want
they want the number displayed as a bar
I assume
elfin vigil
That would be nice
rain fiber
yep, the idea is to make a bar similar to Whirlwind stacks
so it's easier to keep track of my stacks
rain fiber
I'd have to start using arcui then, I'll pass in the meanwhile, thanks anyways
nova marsh
actually gonna use this now
mystic summit
slayer saved again?
nova marsh
more or less yes
mystic summit
thank god
mystic summit
i enjoy colo but feels like shit when mobs get moved out of demo
nova marsh
Press heroic leap
wait a bit longer for tank to gather
It's honestly probally better to hold demo for a few seconds to be sure it will hit then waste it
spark mango
i enjoy colo but feels like shit when mobs get moved out of demo
I felt this a lot in tww, but changes have been made to it to make this less of an issue, i havent felt it this tier yet
its 10 yards now and it doesnt stop casting when target moves out of range
spark mango
thats a very broad question, but if you want a general answer then yes
spark mango
we wait for people to give us exact numbers, but for fury, slayer might be played more in raid now and wont be punishing to people who like to play it in keys
same as slayer arms
ember imp
M+, raiding, pvp, pet battles?
m+
smoky kayak
not much changed for the prime m+ builds
wooden lava
not much changed for the prime m+ builds
What black magic did u do to get us a buff
vast helm
demolish 3rd strike is frontal or around you ?
uneven minnow
for mythic vorasius, where do I find my damage?
spark mango
m+
none of the other 3 specs can come close to colossus arms when its done right in a right comp with right pulls and funnel
frigid jewel
I imagine we're going back to choosing either slayer or colossus depending on the dungeon instead of just colossus since the slayer nerfs
spark mango
but in a shitshow, fury thane is close
uneven minnow
It looks like I can do 1 rotation of demolish/avatar/ bladestorm on the boss and then 2nd on the adds? and then just rinse and repeat?
spark mango
if i'm not in a physical comp i much rather be fury thane, specially in keys like MT
smoky kayak
What black magic did u do to get us a buff
paper wasp
So arms colossus still the best for m+? Or we can try slayer now
spark mango
So arms colossus still the best for m+? Or we can try slayer now
you could always slayer
smoky kayak
demolish 3rd strike is frontal or around you ?
its a claymore, fairly long frontal cone with a very small backsplash area
wooden lava
So arms colossus still the best for m+? Or we can try slayer now
Brother unless ur pushing 18+keys, u were never limited
spark mango
slayer fury was always limited, arms no
wooden lava
Slayer isn't bad by any means, it's just Colo is the outlier
spark mango
again, outside of perfect comp,, i rather be slayer arms or thane fury than colossus arms
nova marsh
https://giphy.com/gifs/animated-devil-117gK0K7OZ8UcE
Archi please stop making deals to get us buffed
naive steeple
Brother unless ur pushing 18+keys, u were never limited
bla bla bla bla everytime someone talk this, Sometimes he wants to do his best in the situation he's in.
smoky kayak
the Arms buffs don't really do much for Colossus, but then it didn't need a whole lot of help either
hypothetically Colossus ST goes up, but you're not really playing ST Colossus builds anyway
vast helm
its a claymore, fairly long frontal cone with a very small backsplash area
thanks sir
frigid jewel
now that slayer is back on the menu, ST Colossus doesn't make sense
smoky kayak
non-CT execute may pick up a little bit in the rotation, but the biggest issue there is the rage economy
nova marsh
now that slayer is back on the menu, ST Colossus doesn't make sense
ST colo never made sense
wind echo
tbh i hated the look of col warrior, but when i tried it its more fun than slayer i can’t lie
nova marsh
I like that colo arms feels more consistent in it's damage
spark mango
blizzard needs to understand funnel is an addition to spec not a necessity
nova marsh
outside of ST
nova marsh
blizzard needs to understand funnel is an addition to spec not a necessity
THIS
Holy fuck
naive steeple
I think we all agree that Slayer is much more fun and rewarding to play, right? Hopefully Slayer will surpass Colossus.
nova marsh
I think we all agree that Slayer is much more fun and rewarding to play, right? ...
No I don't
wooden lava
I think we all agree that Slayer is much more fun and rewarding to play, right? ...
??????
hot cove
dnno why I cant bring myself to like colossus, i loved the fyralath axe, but demolish just feels bad to me :D
spark mango
No I don't
i was a die hard colossus fan from the get go
naive steeple
No I don't
You don't count, you have "rogue" in your name.
nova marsh
There's nothing fun or rewarding about getting fucked in AoE because SD and reap don't proc
wind echo
Slayer i feel is the more like relaxed build to run compared to col idk
nova marsh
Well
smoky kayak
I think we all agree that Slayer is much more fun and rewarding to play, right? ...
Don't know that I'd agree with that - if anything I think Colossus is the one that's more rewarding when you get it right
Slayer is more brain off, just slap
nova marsh
like 3 other disagreed too\
wooden lava
Colossus is way more involved and fun than slayer
frigid jewel
I liked the ST Colossus concept Biz shared
granite swift
Don't know that I'd agree with that - if anything I think Colossus is the one th...
would you say it's closed the gap enough to play slayer in high keys yet?
wooden lava
Slayer feels like an older class with more baked into it as passive damage
As colossus, ur in control of the car, but u gotta drive well
nova marsh
Slayer feels like an older class with more baked into it as passive damage
Slayer feels like DF S3 arms
paper wasp
Brother unless ur pushing 18+keys, u were never limited
Im pushing 16s so ST has been a struggle on colossus. Hope Slayer can take the edge off a little.
smoky kayak
would you say it's closed the gap enough to play slayer in high keys yet?
not really for me to say; Slayer already did decently and the Reap buff in particular helps close the gap, so it's def gonna be better than it was
smoky kayak
Archi please stop making deals to get us buffed
wind echo
Wasn’t reap before latest hotfix like top slayer dps?
spark mango
i like slayer to be my option to opt into depending the comp
nova marsh
https://giphy.com/gifs/leroypatterson-wish-monkey-paw-fSGqUm3IcVBESFM0hK
oh god what did he do this time
smoky kayak
na, Cleave still blew it out
gentle gyro
Holy fuck slayer is back
wooden lava
Im pushing 16s so ST has been a struggle on colossus. Hope Slayer can take the e...
I had the same issue initially, but u can squeeze out more dmg than u think. 17s haven't been all that bad
wind echo
I do miss old cleave 
spark mango
i really like tww season 3 version of colossus
to me it was peak
bleeds made you do really good St compared to aoe
old glacier
We eating good with the buffs?
spark mango
fury slayer blew everyhthing out the door but i must say they got colossus right back then
vast helm
non-CT execute may pick up a little bit in the rotation, but the biggest issue t...
OP gives 8 rage below 35% health back might be good
mystic summit
tww s3 fury slayer tier set ❤️
nova marsh
i really like tww season 3 version of colossus
shame bleeds are pretty weak rn
well
compared to what they were then
spark mango
can logs from last expansion dungeons just not exist?
nova marsh
they do exist
spark mango
i'm looking for a priory 18 i did as arms and i cant find it
nova marsh
I have a log from back in DF
spice field
are we going slayer after these buffs
it looks sick
and finally our st getting better ig
spark mango
found it !! nice
silk rock
Yes slayer is back thank god Colossus is not the greatest to play
spark mango
i think you guys are overstimating these buffs
nova marsh
yeah I don't think colo is dead
It just brings us back to where we were pre .5
but with more ST overall
a lil at least
spark mango
colosus Cleave modifiers are insane
nova marsh
Honestly
I know it's kinda what the spec is leaning on
but I hope cleave gets significant nerfs for S2
spark mango
but I hope cleave gets significant nerfs for S2
you seem like an imposter here
spice field
i don't like to play m+ without cleave tbh, bladestorming and spamming whirlwind is not fun for me
spark mango
we enjoy using cleave
hot cove
cleave is the superior aoe 
spark mango
very iconic aswell, i wish they add the green hue to it aswell
from sarufang at wrathgate
hot cove
i mean, they call them cleave fights for a reason
nova marsh
you seem like an imposter here
Na man
Cleave is too stupid atm
I'd rather have cleave brought down and bring up DN
spark mango
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Ph34dYtFJVjykbKr?fight=2&type=summary check this log from way before, i think this was peak colossus. i was competing with 2 of the most op classes of the meta on good players
nova marsh
Literally all of the specs eggs are in cleave.
silk rock
What’s the consensus for how much this will be for ST gain /Aoe for slayer
pulsar frost
nova marsh
<@204625742544240640> we're getting buffed i see? :O
Honestly I'm happy to see it
silk rock
I’m autistic sorry
nova marsh
But I dunno if I'm gonna keep pushing yet
My orginal season goal was 3k across 2 toons and that was hit today
spark mango
deep wounds 10% damage, cleave 17%, good times
spark mango
rend 9% !!!
random trout
silk rock
Colossus needs more sudden death proc ST to buff its MS
nova marsh
So I'm really tempted to call it quits here and go play other games
nova marsh
Colossus needs more sudden death proc ST to buff its MS
what
that wouldn't suddenly make Colo wonna press exe
part of the problem is just base exe without supporting talents (espically slayer's package with reap and executioner) is just very weak
actually
that's like 90% of it
summer quartz
Was fury doing that bad? Feel like fury was way ahead of arms. 10% buff seems pretty high. I'm happy arms is getting some love but would've been cool to see a bigger buff. I dunno.
reef glade
fury been ass
summer quartz
Oh damn, had no clue lol
reef glade
it might be little better on pad bosses cuz it does pad really fast and loses like no st to do so
like comparing colossus arms to like either fury spec on first boss
probably comparable aoe pad potential
spark mango
fury is good outside of dream comp for colossus and in more hectic pug groups, but tbh with monk being meta tank, i think colossus is the way to go
hot cove
fury is for looking good in pugs on bosses with a lot of adds
spark mango
i am playing both on same character, with changing flask and jewlery and playing powerful enrage cuzi have 1k haste
cant complain about thane but can write an essay on slayer fury
spark mango
nah, i get like 750 matery with swapping rings and neck around, and i play powerful enrage and do really good damage on thane
nova marsh
Powerful vs haste enrage is just a sim angle ye?\
spark mango
and how much things actually live i think
steep escarp
Or a “do you want carpal tunnel” angle
nova marsh
Or a “do you want carpal tunnel” angle
If I didn't I wouldn't be playing fury
silk rock
Would this mean for slayer arms that Reap proc is prio over cleave now
nova marsh
Also fury isn't raging blow sim (expect for maybe slayer)
nova marsh
Would this mean for slayer arms that Reap proc is prio over cleave now
....huh
spark mango
Would this mean for slayer arms that Reap proc is prio over cleave now
if its 2 sudden death, its prio over anything
nova marsh
Cleave is the only thing that procs reap
and SD
and we already prio cleave and SD high af
near ice
it might be little better on pad bosses cuz it does pad really fast and loses li...
I’ve been having issues with this all tier. Adds die in 4 seconds but our dmg window is much longer sadly
silk rock
Oh yeah that’s right
steep escarp
The tren brain got him.
near ice
So I’m hoping I can go fury for Lura prog
reef glade
yea theyre prolly pretty interchangeable now
you hold cds for adds as arms anyway
assume doing same as fury not the worst
hot cove
I hope fury stays behind this season. i injured my finger and not sure my hand could take a season of fury playing
onyx rapids
morning to all!
just saw the good news!
mostly slayer buffs i noticed
is the go to spec gonna change to slayer for arms or still colossus?!
reef glade
tho maybe fury less uptime on cds bit more annoying
silk rock
The tren brain got him.
lol
nova marsh
Boy you gotta be happy
minor gust
Unfortunately those are OP buffs and not DN buffs
wooden lava
Aye yo get off a 12 hour work day to see some buffs
12 hours, boy you gotta be working in the US
minor gust
Yeah I'm NA
wooden lava
never heard no goddamn european tell me about 12 hours
they get humane working conditions
minor gust
But holy those buffs actually brought some hope to my soul
hot cove
12 hour is fine as long as overtime is paid properly 🤑
nova marsh
Alleria also nerfed
vivid current
Hey so I have small brain and there is a lot to read - do these buffs mean slayer is okay in keys or is it still run Colo ?